Overclocking vs GamersNexus - RIPGN 5
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- The overclocking beef between Steve at Gamers Nexus and JayzTwoCents is back on! Who will win this ultimate show of e-peen? Watch and find out!
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Must be the Intel Celeron wallpaper unlocks +10% CPU performance
He's revealed the code. Der8auer is gonna be livid he let the sacred secrets of extreme overclocking leave the circle of trust.
Omg yea, I saw that, and just started cracking up
rubbing alcohol as well no joke
I spoiled myself by checking the 3DMark Hall of Fame list last week.
Was wondering when this video would come.
i spoiled myself by looking at this comment .....
@@TheHighborn same
@@TheHighborn😂
BromTeque I remember him talking about how he was going to make this video last week
i peed my pants by doing a pee in my pants
Damn Phil the edits for this video are Incredible! Seriously, never laughed so hard.
Phil's interpretations of the cores added more hilarity to this. XD
Haha minute 11:08 that meme about Steve's fading in that transition 💯
Awesome dudes
the Cyberpunk style intro logo was "all the money"!!! 😎🤣❤️ Where is Keanu Reeves???😎🤜
Incoming Keanu's own personal PC rig built by Jay. The Breathtaker!
he's doing his superman thing...
That one dislike is Steve.
nah Limus cause he dropped his cpu
and his army of sbeves
Haha no he's a good sport.
😂
"let he who is without sin cast the first dislike" - steve, probably
Who wouldve thunk the popularity of "HACK THE PLANEEEEEEET!" even 23yrs on
Cracked me up fo sure
@@Gandalf721 dude there are a dozen or so films with her tits out
4:03 White and Gold Build: "I have better GPUs"
4:25 Skunkworks: "Are you sure about that?"
Salt in the cooler with the ice, that will boost that chilling by a LOT.
Agreed. But that will attack the metals in the piping and heat exchangers.
Toy-joda VICTORY AT ALL COSTS!
@@Mp57navy just use saltless salt and you are OP.
@@Mp57navy Meh. Just take the rad and fittings (and pump) out and rinse well with non-salinated water after each session, will be fine. Corrosion rate of aluminium, brasa and copper in food-grade salt and clean water is not that bad. Keep an extra eye on copper and brass if the water is heavily clorinated though.
By a couple of C.
Steve did that for awhile
great sportsmanship towards Steve. i love the "obession" scene's . added flavor to the guys who do this as a hobby. oh and cyberpunk theme ... *mint*
#HACKTHEPLANET!!! Love it. Also, I am an AC/R tech, and I could go in to the science of why the water cooling works the way that it does, but that would be long, boring, and dry. However, if you were to set up two coolers you could get better temps.
The upper cooler would need a pump pulling from the bottom and pushing that water in to the bottom of the lower cooler. It would also need fans/ventilation for hot air to be removed from the cooler itself. The bottom cooler would need a skim pump to remove the "warmer" water from the top of the cooler and put it in to the top of the upper cooler. Radiator in the lower cooler. Both with salted ice water (or dry ice if you really want to have a go but you would risk freezing coolant). That should greatly improve your heat removal from the overall setup which would improve heat removal from the system and bring temps even lower.
Super important for this kind of configuration is that you would need to ensure the flow rate between the two coolers is equal. If not, you would risk placing all the water in one, and then your temps would equalize and you would have what you have now. In your current configuration, you have nothing to remove the heat that gets built up inside of the cooler. Flowing water is good, but air is also a heat transfer medium and inside of an insulated cooler, that heat has nowhere to go.
If you wanted to get really froggy, you could look at using an condenser/compressor with refrigerant and a cooling loop (similar to in a car) just depends on how deep you want this rabbit hole to go.
I'll take you both on. With my Pentium d and dual GTX 480s!
dual 480? And you don't burn your house yet? Amazing!
You won the game
You'll win the first one burn their house down competition, for sure
@@PAINNN666 Chilled water the entire way. I did actually build a competition PC with dual 480s, but with a six core xeon instead of a Pentium d
You win internet!!
11:15 was golden. They say if you look at tech jesus's face for too long you go blind from the beauty.
Mesh/cache > frequency with all HCC intel chips my guy
They need that sweet, sweet bandwidth.
@@stevethea5250 wut
Steve Thea I think you replied in the wrong thread.
@@avagreen9060 I was just thinking of what you wrote and then saw his answer and was like "LOLWTFWUT?".
Must have answered the wrong thread. Or his mind is racing away somewhere.
By my count this is the second time Jay gets his hands in one of the most golden of golden cpu samples out there, coincidence?
More vids like this buddy. This is why I subbed to you so long ago. Great edit work as usual and fun to watch.
6:37 HACK THE PLANET!!!!! Busted out laughing during that bit.
Ah, this renewed overclocking challenge sustains me. Those scores are absurdly good, man!
Been waiting for this to start back for months, it’s what got me started overclocking myself and made me an addict to both channels
the Hackers "Hack the planet" made the video. One hell of a throwback
I love the Hackers reference, "Hack the planet!".
Have you tried using blood in the liquid cooler... if you use Steve's blood he will never beat your score.
God damn i love these friendly competition videos. I watch all of you techtuber guys and love when you do stuff together / against each other / do collabs
Friendly? Have you seen the hate and disdain in Steve's eyes!
TechJesus doesn't hate!
6:22 HACK THE PLANET!! HACK THE PLANET!! 😂🤣
While I can't fully explain the question you had about the ice water in the cooler vs in the loop, I do remember enough from physics class that coldness is a human term much like darkness. You can't "contain coldness" 14:02 because it's the absence of heat, much like darkness is the absence of light. What you are doing is insulating the outside heat from getting into the ice water and warming it up because heat naturally wants to find equilibrium when there are differences of temperature. The greater the difference, the faster the transfer. The cooler just slows down the transfer of heat from the outside to the inside. Because of that, you are keeping the difference of temperature very great between the loop fluid temperature and the temperature of the ice water solution, allowing for very fast heat transfer. With the lid up, you have not only the CPU heating up the ice water but also the ambient heat of your shop, reducing the temperature difference and the speed of heat transfer.
This seems counter-intuitive, because like most people I assume you have put your hand close to a window on a cold winter night, and it feels like coldness is radiating from the window. But in fact, it's heat radiating from your hand cooling your hand down.
"But in fact, it's heat radiating from your hand cooling your hand down." I never realized this... this... this changes everything.
The reason why a chilled loop is better than picking up the ice water directly is because of the effective surface area of heat transfer on the radiator. Heat transfer over time is directly correlated to area ( Q/t=kA(T1-T2)/d). You are effectively cooling more efficiently with the rad than just by pumping cold ice water through the loop. It's like putting a piece of ice on your head vs sitting in an ice bath. Hope this answers your question!!! (ME for a heat exchanger manufacturing company) great video Jay!
Jay, I work on large engines for power generation. Some 1000kw and above units run on city water cooled systems. They use a heat exchanger to transfer the cool h20 to a glycol loop in the engine and both intake and exhaust manifolds. I have experienced the same results when during a emergency when we had to divert the city water straight through the engine with out the exchanger. I would think the radiator in your case may act like a heat sink and have more contact with the cooler level of water and when you were pumping the straight water its posible the hotter return h20 got recirculated into the loop. In the radiator system you eliminate the possibility of sucking up the hotter return h20 and it getting warmer with every exchange. Just a guess
When you run cooling loops in chilled cycles like this, it bleeds heat from the prior one faster without removing contaminants like radiant effects. The main loop keeps stable flow, the secondary loop chills it faster because both have stable flow and heat saturation, and so on. This is one of the reasons nuclear reactors use the same method before running the hot water/steam through power turbines. (Another is to shed radiation to prevent it from reaching the generator.)
When you just pick up iced water and pump it in the system, it's constantly moving, producing small but considerable amount of cinetic energy that makes the tubes and the pump ever so slightly warmer than when the radiator is just sitting in iced water containing ice cubes.
10C warmer?
Hack the planet! HACK THE PLANET!!!!, One of my favorite movies !!! Jay and Phil should totally make there own hack the planet show. Id pay for that!!
only problem in hackers is the machine specs are so bad compared to now.
if you make a sealed dome for your hardware and put a dehumidifier in it, i'd bet you could stop almost all condensation (like put in in a big fish tank with a gasket around the base)
The only way to stop humidity (and condensation as a part) would be to use a nitrogen or another gas purge gas. A dehumidifier won't pull enough to completely stop it
Mineral Oil tank
There is a very easy solution that is proven to work. Put the PC parts in a cardbord box, cut a hole for the tubing and then put some dry ice into the box. It will evaporate and is heavier than air which means it displaces all the air and stays in the box leaving no humidity behind.
@@Karavusk That doesn't work long term
@@betrayedpredator8826 only needs to work long enough to get a firestrike score
When pumping ice water through the system directly you're attempting to cool the ice water with ambient temperature air. The air is warmer than the ice water so you're effectively heating up the water instead of cooling it. The reason having the radiator submerged in ice water is more effective is because you're cooling the water in your loop with ice water which has a much higher, negative, delta T than cooling ice water with ambient temperature air which has a positive delta T.
HACK THE PLANET xD some dudes here are even younger than the movie xD
Lmao at the hack the planet, I wonder how much of your audience no longer gets that reference lol.
Great episode. The fade over at 11:15 is Spielberg level editing.
I haven't even seen the video yet and it already has me laughing when I saw the picture to this. Great to see these videos again.
Ripgn is back!! Woohoo! Can't wait to see how this goes.
Rest
In
Peace
Gamer's
Nexus
Have you tried to upper the priority of the benchmark in the taskmanager? you get a very good bump
for more cooling, add salt.
No, seriously, salt in the ice water will set up an endothermic reaction and drop your temps further. You should never, EVER do this to someone's beer cooler, unless you dislike them.
There should be a 3 part series between all of you guys. And then we'll see who shall win among JayzTwoCents, LinusTechTips, GamerNexus and TechSource. Please
Awesome editing Phil - this video was a peach
"Come at me Steve" I'm sure he will. Lovin' this competition. Keep on pushing guys.
that GN spitting effect was nicely done. I legit thought jay spit something out and had to rewind 3 times to realize the GN logo in the first place hahaha
I so like these videos it shows just how much a pc these days can do. Can you imagine a pc from the 90s trying to get specs like this
Demolishing that 'delete' key.
It's getting more action than half the keyboard haha
I love this war. I am a gn fan but with out you Jay there is no war so keep it comming man love ever minute of it.
a possible reason for the "hose only" cooling solution not working as expected (when compared to the radiator solution) would be that the velocity of the water moving across the heat source (CPU) pushed the flow the water from turbulent to laminar flow. Laminar flow has reduced mixing and is not as efficient as turbulent flow in moving heat in the cooling processes.
for the condensation issue, I used heating tape or potting compound.
"Hack the planet", Who knows about that movie! where the laptops where as big as bricks and doing things that my laptop still can't do in 2019?
Hack the Gibson!
The ending made the most sense to me. NOW you're talking my language. THBHBHLLLBLBPPPBHBHHP
It's about time another video I've been waiting for this
Jay is like "I'm taking the Titans out " it's like Jay is going super Saiyan
So Jay, I work with Industrial Heat Exchangers and maybe the reason that Radiator + Chiller is better than Pumping the Chiller is the surface area for the heat exchange. One thing that maybe can be done is trading the radiator for a small brazed plate heat exchanger and adjusting the voltage/flow of pump for the biggest flow in both loops.
"We have to name all 56 of our threads" - Priceless.
Jay, the colder water is at the bottom of the container since denser objects sink. The warmer water is at the top, but since the ice sits at the top (because ice is less dense than liquid water), it is rapidly cooling the rising warm water causing it to sink again; which causes a more effective convection current, which brings more cold water down to the radiator again. Then there is the swamp pump, which is just causing the heat to spread itself evenly throughout the cooler more effectively, adding to the cooling process.
I feel like the answer to the cooling question is squarely in Engineering Explained's wheelhouse. He's a trained thermodynamics engineer.
Throw some salt in the ice water mix. Lowers the temperature of water significantly.
To answer your question @Jay 14:02
Q)
Why a radiator in chilled water results in cooler temps than pumping chilled water into the loop directly.
A)
The radiator has a Surface Area to Volume Ratio (SAVR) orders of magnitude higher than the loop and can dissipate heat more effectively as the radiator material is designed to conduct heat into the surrounding medium (air, or in your case chilled water).
Furthermore, the radiator will slow the flow rate, providing a longer exposure time to exchange heat. Thermal dynamics 101 - heat can only move from hot to cold, you can't cool a loop - the loop gets colder by 'throwing away heat' into the medium that interfaces with the radiator.
Having the radiator increases the surface area that the chilled water is in contact with. It works just like a heat pipe on an air cooler by transporting heat from the hot die to the larger cooling surface of the radiator.
Well get faster RAM too! ;)
Btw: What's more important, the timings or the frequency, for RAM? How do I choose the best RAM, assuming the motherboard, CPU and Wallet, support it 100%?
Did he even touch DDR4 settings.. he never shows DDR4 setting!!!
Aside from the legendary series of RIPGN, I love what Phil does with the editing stuff.😎👍
Water pressure is the answer for the additional cooling, the higher the pressure the more water flows through the system,having an open system reduces pressure, the radiator is adding to the pressure back because it’s restricting the flow of the water to some degree
I just love these friend overclock fights. Especially the translucent Steve!! haha
Why are you using R15, It's known to be very inconsistent with high core count CPU's. That's why R15 extreme and R20 exist!
I thought that the concern with using R15 on high core counts was that they finish too quickly, so theoretical max scores would be higher if the render lasted long enough to get all cores to boost to max?
This whole challenge just gets better and better..:)
Varying pressures in each water loop can cause the varying performance results between "ice water loop" vs "cooled water loop".
Those metallicGear fans have a very familiar looking logo....
also WOOP WOOP RIPGN IS BACK!
A couple of boxes of icecream salt will drop the icewater temps more.
Awesome "Hackers" reference.... "Hack the planet!"...lol
Oh yeah. I've been hoping this OC beef would heat up again. Looking forward to Steve's response.
Why am I watching this when I haven't even overclocked my CPU yet
You guys probably got it covered but make sure you enabled x16 PCI width on the GPU in the BIOS. With default BIOS settings a GPU in any slot other than slot 1 will only be running at x8 due to bandwidth shared with DIMM.2 and U.2 interfaces.
Excellent video as always but Im wondering. What if an entire JayzTwoCents video was edited in the same fashion as the end of every video? I would watch it.
By adding a radiator to the system, you essentially spread the surface area giving the water longer time to dissipate the heat through saturation. That's why with no radiator you can only get an initial chill.
One big factor in cooling is the amount of surface area. By using the Radiator you drastically increase the surface area, this increases the amount of energy in Form of heat which you can cool down.
Y'all are having entirely too much fun, I love it! :D
Jay, you're right. The ice makes the water at the top part is colder (Because ice is colder than water) but when all the ice cubes have melted, the temperature should be in equilibrium theoretically (The container must be perfectly insulated). However, you're pumping in warm water from the GPUs and CPUs, so over time the water in the bucket will get warmer and warmer.
Physics Topic : Thermal Equilibrium
That RTX picture of Steve and Jesus is amazing... It may or may-not be by background picture now. Seriously though you guys killed Jesus, guess that means we need to wait 3 days for him to
re-spawn.
Finally, been waiting for this for so long. Ever since the roast I was looking forward to seeing you one up tech jesus.
The reason why the radiator works better is because the word "Heat" means transfer of energy from hi to low temperature. The radiator has efficiencey spec called w/pr square inch.
lamellae on the radiator covers a large water surface area.
Directly feeding the hose to the box- the surface area is just around the hose input/output-- in order for that to work the sirculation needs to be improved..by ALOT.
So the most effective way is using a big radiator and good sirculation around it.
If you want it colder - you should fill the cooler with glycol that can handle alot under zub zero- and fill that with dry ice- and try to controll the temp with the pump speed to the components. -prob good idea to use glycol for cooling too. xD
A closed loop will have a higher pressure therefore keeping the liquid cool longer and more evenly distribute temps
I love the hell out of these overclocking videos. Keep on rocking Jay.
11:08 The Jesus meme had me rolling...
try adding ice cream salt to the ice water to make the water colder then freezing..
The reason for the straight water vs the radiator is the thermal capacity of water vs copper/aluminum. It requires less energy to heat the copper or aluminum (copper is better) than it does to heat the water. This increases the transfer rate of the heat from the internal water to the radiator which then due to its mass and and vast surface area more rapidly dissipates the heat into the ice water. You are not moving the cold to the heat but rather the heat to the cold.
The rad in the cool water tank works better because youre actively cooling the water in the loop with the cooled water in the chest. The other way just gradually increases the temp of the loop because you arent displacing heat anywhere.
Next step - since you're using a radiator as a heat exchanger...fill the cooler with ice water, then dump copious amounts of salt on the ice. It will quickly drop temperature and you'll go down by 20c. (it's why they do that to make ice cream). Might need to include actual glycol in the coolant loop to prevent freezing.
MOAR PUMPS!! And have a stand that keeps the radiator as high in the water as possible!
The rad method works because of simple physics.
Ice has something called "latent heat", and simply put, if we have a mixture of ice and water, the temperature of the mixture stays constant at the melting point of ice (0 Celsius) until ALL the ice has melted. So your rad setup has a better chance of dissipating heat to the ice water as the temperature gradient between the coolant and ice water is a high constant value.
Using ice water directly in the loop means you don't have this advantage because you can only circulate water and not a mixture of ice and water.
Jay didn’t win the silicon lottery. He found the silicon bahamut.
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JayzTwoCents is there a possibility to make some kind of detailed tutorial on how to overclock? There is a lot of videos out there about overclocking but they are missing good explanations on what soft and why, also bios settings usually explained not good enough. Will be great to have such tutorial 'all in one' with good detailed explanations to point people to when they ask 'how'.
lmao the intro made me shit myself lol the blasting EPIC GAMER MOMENT
I believe the reason you get better thermals with the ice water just on the rad in a closed system, is due to the fact that with chilled water running through the loop causes more of water to gain heat from the atmosphere increasing the heat in the system. With the cold section being contained to a closed system where heat from the atmosphere can't get to it as easily due to your cooler, keeps the temps of your loop cooler.
These videos are certainly interesting to watch if you're a user. Most of us won't be able to achieve such scores anyway, because overclocking is a fine art of gaining optimum performance, vs bricking your CPU through heat-death.
8:29 that was probably the most deft lowkey screw catch ever.
Without the OC Wig Jay doesn't stand a chance - Love the dedication he even made a RIPGN Logo.
For the chilled water, when you have flows of liquid over surfaces with high temp deltas they tend to not mix or interact it well, called a laminar flow. So a warmer coolant will interact more and carry heat away better. This happens to some extent in the radiator in ice water too but the radiator has a high surface area where as the blocks do not. So maximizing the surface area where the temperature difference is highest usually works best.
How about creating two chimneys for the water cooler? Unsure about the temperature of the trapped air but if it is higher than room temp, the cooler air will stay at the bottom and warmer air escapes. With a dual chimney system, one can funnel air in, other funnels air out
Keep making rocking videos man, solid editing aswell as content
It's colder because the radiator has more surface area to absorb the cold from the water/dissipate the heat from the loop.