I can't believe that this was installed by a "professional"... time to fix it.
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We had a "professional" install our model and router... it was so bad that i had to redo it myself.
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Jay... Can I fly down and fix your network? I'll even bring beer. But please... I can't live with it this way...
That is content we like to see too, and lose the netgear
Yes Jeff. Please help him out. This is going to be awesome content.
You beat me to it. It is still driving me nuts!
Yes, and lets get him a real AP as well.
as a not-networking-expert, what's wrong with jay's?
"This is just temporary". Also know as - it works, it will stay like this forever.
aka how all men organize their lives. 'it works, pizza and beer time'
THAT IS SO ACCURATE!!!!!!!!! LMFAO
@@kylemanderfield9002 I've been meaning to rearrange my pc/sound system for about two years now. Sounds great, though.
I know it as "temperary solutions are eternal".
Nothing is so permanent as a temporary solution.
"these strippers take all my money!" -jayztwocents, 2019
you mean they STRIP all his money.
Jay: I'm getting dropouts at 600mbps
Me: hell ye, 20mbps lets play some cod
Me: hell ye 6mbps let's play some games
So long as ye ping is low go for it!
I can’t get over one if I could download it by next year
@@nenaddinic9803 me: fuck yea 430mbps lets do this shit
@@nenaddinic9803 and also 5 ping...
Why didnt you go Cat 7??? SERIOUSLY DONT YOU WANT TO PAY 20 PER KEYSTONE?!?!?!"?!
why you dont go cat99?
WHy not cat 9.
Why not dog
Funny, in Switzerland Cat 7 is the standard cable nowadays.
yep in germany too
Cat8 Ethernet cable is a thing check Amazon
Watching Jay feed wires individually into the connector rather than all at once was painful. So much more difficult!
and then using that connector to plug into the socket!!! just buy the regular patch panel sockets and stop this nonsense
Lol hey he told me these comments would be here
hurts my eye really bad.
he already uses pass through connectors, then makes it 20000times harder on himself....
Right.
Phil is Jay's laughtrack. The smallest joke has Phil dying of laughter, and I love it
Phil's a good editor, you're the one who said laugh track, think about it.
@@bothellkenmore what
"we don't have a server" +Linus wants to know your location+
what
...?
@@0Forest Linus Tech tips....He has like 10 videos of installing servers ;)
@@grtsmts953 he is a newbie
Yess i want to
Considering he is in the same Building as Austin, Austin should just host on the Server Linus built for him.
As someone who snakes walls and dozens of cat6 ends on a daily basis, this hurt me at a spiritual level. But good on you for DIYing it and anyone else who learned something new.
I agree.
Did the screws in the dry wall installed by a professional also hurt you on a spiritual level....
@@admin8244 That's done because many of the installers have to buy their own supplies. It's cheaper to just get a large amount of one type that is used most of the time and use it everywhere than to buy every type of supply. Was it the wrong box? Yes. Was it going to fall out of the wall if Jay had not replaced it? No.
How to snake correctly?
@Pigeon Man watching this really started messing with my cable OCD. The way he was working with that cat6 was near brutal.
Side note: cable strippers are too unreliable, I prefer a pin head precision driver down through the sheath then pop it out about 2cm down then cut away the rest by a small set of side cutters. So much easier and neater.
"Military grade..." If you ever served in the military, hearing that you would be afraid of the quality!
Military grade AKA lowest bidder.
@@AuthenticGadzooks don't tell them lol
Former 2A332B this is a true story.
If I pay extra can I get the civilian grade?🤣
'Military Grade' safety harness is what scares me most.
Oh man, putting wires into the connector 1 at a time. Face palm. Next time do about a half to 3/4 turn with the stripper, bend, break and pull the jacket off. Flatten them all out in the right order, clip the ends even and put all 8 in at the same time. So much easier.
Found the IT guy
Ha ha ha, all at once is so much easier. Using my pocket knife would be easier to me than what it was for Jay and that stripper.
I was thinking the same lol
Haha this was my first thought too. After about 50 or so you can eyeball the length you need for the regular RJ45 tips, but man, pass through were a huge quality of life improvement when they came out.
@@matthewtremain683 introducing a stripper to a pocket knife is a good way to end up in jail
I would gladly offer my years of wiring experience to redo this entire office in exchange for some custom OC'ing my Jay and Phil. lol
Me too, except my wiring experience isn't with buildings in mind haha
it works so...........wy its only for testing
I'm an Electronics technician for industrial engineering (from Germany), let's team up and do it together, and afterwards BBQ 😁
I’ll help too..I don’t have any skills you all have ..but IM AWESOME WITH A GRILL ILL GET BEER
Party time lmfao
Why'd you use CAT 6 you could have saved a bunch of money by using CAT 5e with the same result!
JK JK great video Jay!
In europe, CAT 7 cables used for installation are even cheaper than CAT5 cables for installation because they are more common
Why go with CAT5e when you can go with OptiCat5e chuck some fibre connectors on the end, she'll be right!
~ lel
Where I live cat6 is cheaper than cat5
Haha😂
I just got a 50ft cat 7 cable. Why not get that even.
Jay: "Off to Home Depot to get a stripper...the wire stripper"
Phil: "And the other one too?"
Jay: "Yeah, I got some ones."
Trip to Home Depot takes *HOURS*
🤔🤨 Yep, strip club side trip confirmed. 😉
let alone three trips to "home depot" XD
@天堂心臟 no the camera adds 20lb :P
@天堂心臟 How much weight does it put on the person carrying it
nah, there's not a dad on the planet who can get in and out of a Home Depot in less than 2 hours even without a side trip!
You need Cat7a cables, installed according to the ISO/IEC 11801-5 standard. :-D
Simon Stenberg big facts
Didn't know of cat7a but I knew there was cat 6a. :)
Cat 8 is now ratified but I'm like, why not OM5? A PON system would be nice in a situation like this also.
Go right for fiber 😂
@@brandoneich2412 Cat7/7A are not TIA standards
"Never use another man's hole."
- Professional cable installer on why he drilled a completely superfluous hole.
I'd like this comment but it's 69...
@@evantaur wow, i was about to like until i realized 😭
2:43 Here in Australia, we consider 10 - 20 Mbps a good day (up or down)
really? my old house had 100mbps down 40 up, my new place i thought was slow is 50mbps down 20 up. thats in the middle of nowhere south oz. Hopefully you get some fibre to the premises soon man
I get 25 up 16down in south Australia
10mbs 0.70 in NJ when 1000mbs is the highest in my area. Mother pays for shit internet yet pays 5 times the value. 😀
@@JessieDoidge At least once a year we have our area's cable repaired due to floods so that alone sets back the eventual fibre upgrade
And yet Europe makes fun of us when we are content with our speeds in the US. Is 10gbps nice? Of course. But 1gbps isn't so bad.
Oh Oh Oh. I actually spotted your mistake with the wires at 8:00 . You're using a Fisher Price 'My First Wire Stripper'.
Turning it the wrong way
It looks like a Coax Stripper not a CAT5/6 stripper
Yeah, just because you like a tool doesn't mean you do a decent job with it. I would recommend magnifying glasses to see if you have damaged the insulation.
The cheap lil thing I got with a cheap kit is way worse than that thing. You just gotta be super careful how you feed the cable into in and how much pressure is put on the blade, if you used it like he does the one in this video you'd just cut every single wire. xD
That's actually a Klein combo RG6 CAT5/6 stripper. Best I've ever used for cat5/6. His problem is he's spinning it too much. When prepping CAT5/6 you only need one revolution, otherwise it starts cutting into the twisted pairs.
As an electrician, this is damn funny/cringey to watch. 👍
I agree with that 💯
Keep chucklin' sparky.
Same, foreign colleague.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
As an IT professional it's funny watching electricians install networks.
2:45 tests internet: 700mb
"this sucks!!"
this changes everything
13:57 tests again: 680mb
When you started feeding 1 wire at a time into the RJ-45 end I died a little on the inside. Still though great job 👍
Same. Never tried it but it seems like it'd be much more difficult.
@@dierandomdie Actually, when I started doing cable pulling for cat5e/cat6, I found it super hard to put the cables all in together at the same time and needed some tips. I seem to have it down now, but I understand why Jay would be doing this.
@@dierandomdie Never tried that either, but I guess if the twisted pairs were super long like Jay had it could be easier?
@@JustAnotherDronePilot My biggest tip I always give is straighten out the wires (twisted pairs) once you get them lined up in the order you want. I use the backside of my scissors in my kit like if I was making curly ribbons lol it doesn't remove any of the wire cover and it gets them perfectly straight which helps out with getting them all in at once in their correct channel within the RJ-45
@@snowdemon14 backside of the scissors in the Klein VDV kit have ridges which I guess makes it easier for exactly that. That's what I use it for at least.
Screw the naysayers, I like that your channel keeps it fresh with stuff like this. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the tech stuff too but like most real people, it's not the entirety of my interests
I install fiber and ethernet cable all the time. And when I have to replace it it's really aggravating to see someone use the wrong box or just use the wall plate with no box behind it at all. Thought I was the only one it bothered
what happens if you don’t use the box behind the wall plate?
@@jon4715 op loses his shirt.
@@jon4715 nothing for low voltage stuff.... you can just use a low voltage ring or lv1s which is basically a black ring with those tabs he shows and the cover plate screws into it. that is what you will see in most commercial buildings with a cut in.
It bothers those of us that do this in a commercial setting for a living, but it’s really not required residentially or anything low voltage. It’s more of being thorough and showing your good work than it is anything else
Next time use renovator's plates instead of the box.
Jay: buys Cat6 to keep people from complaining in the comments.
Also Jay: doesn't wire up the ends the way you're supposed to.
Jay: complains about 600mbps down
Me: Looks at my 2mbps connection struggling to download a 100mb game patch, "this is fine"
*cries in 1mps connection*
Game patches is more like 7.5GB...did FFXIV now ^^ and I have a whopping 15mb line...
Laughs in 6mbps
oh man and I'm complaining about 50/10 why can I get fiber here!
imagine trying to download forza 3 or 4 at 60gigs ! or gaming on the cloud
Jay runs wire through a fiberglass/insulation filled wall
moments later, Jay rubs his eye
GLHF Jay. Hopefully you didn't make a horrible mistake lol
stfu
@@cembasoglu3931 Someone had a bad day?
Mallac chill bro, just laughing about your stupidity
@@cembasoglu3931 and how's the guy stupid though?
@@cembasoglu3931 What did I say?
Jay: 600mbps isn't enough
Me with 50mbps: wow I downloaded a 20 gig file in 3 hours that's fast!
6mb/s took me 2/5 day to download gta v
Coming from Germany, I have to agree with you on so many levels.
50 Mbs downloads 20 gigs in one hour liar lol
I AM CONNECTED TO 100 MBPS AND I ONLY GET 5 YAY
Was on 100 this year and having to downgrade new year in a new house to 10. I am trying to get people in the area to request fibre from the council.
"we only get 700mb/s...."
Thats nearly 8× my Internet Connection Wire....
Welcome to Germany 🤣
I like this whole do it yourself stuff, for me it's inspiring and learning is never bad and so I admire that you enjoy doing things yourself too.
Very true. Also Jay has "enough money" to buy prebuild computers. Why he does it himself? 😁
@@Jako1987 uh because prebuilts suck and his entire brand is buidling his own PC
>Didn't go CAT6e/CAT7
YOU WILL NOT GET OFF THE HOOK JAY
Also make sure you get a cable tester before you plug things in!
Yes. I'm THAT Networking Engineer.
I would have done 6e
Cat8 Ethernet cable
There is no such thing as cat 6e
Tech Jedi it’s rare but it does exist
@@thelonewanderer420 Cat6e isn't a real standard, it's just what some vendors have labeled Cat6 with a spline through the cable to separate the pairs. The real update to Cat6 is known as Cat6A.
"we pay for 1000 so we should be getting 800-900"
in australia we pay for 100 and get 10...
I'm in Australia, I pay for 100 and get 97
@@dwindeyer you're lucky then, almost everywhere in regional australia outside the cities nbn uses fttn so we barely get 10mbps, the copper cables drop off speed so fast, the node is only just up the street from our house and we have awful speeds
In India it's worse
@@deadalways yeah but that's understandable for a country where its population still shits in the street
@@lytheus69 I am pretty lucky.. TPG installed private fibre lines near my house so I get to completely avoid the catastrophe that is NBN
I like how you don't edit out some issues, even simple ones because in this world it often goes wrong and all those perfect video instruction out there wouldn't help you in those "it didn't go as shown, now what" situations. 👍
Ah, Spectrum. I could recognize their handiwork
Comcast/Xfinity does the same terrible thing. My wall plate actually came out of the wall
In the original Charter areas, the techs are a lot better. It's a shame that in the new areas they aren't good.
You think that’s bad? I had the cable connection moved that was for some reason behind the stove to my bedroom dude just ran a cable from original point around the house hanging off the baranda off the two windows to a hole he just drilled all the way through and pulled the cable through I had to go back and put some rubber seals in just to avoid bugs haha
I has a Spectrum guy give me 10 3 foot cables and splitters and such because he cant make a 30 foot cable. I came home to like 12-13 splitters SCREWED INTO MY WALL!!!
do cable installers receive any certification in contracting work at all? or are they really just trained networking guys halfassing the installs like we all are?
11:05 I'm dying here, you are supposed to just push them all in at once. The connector has guides to keep them separated and in order!
I do about 100 crimps every week, quite amusing to watch XD
It hurt to watch that
I think my dentist will diagnose me with TMJ now!
@@luckyshadow13 Punchdown keystones are FAR easier, tbh. Takes some time to get used to, but my god are they faster. Then, you can just buy patch cables.
Annoying.. You mean concerning, for a peopper tech channel !?
Please get a $5 network cord tester to make sure those wires work, to save yourself weeks of headaches in the future.
Or maybe just use the right hole in the cable stripper? That could also work. :D
Don't need to buy anything if you have a laptop with an Ethernet port ...
I personally don't trust anything below around $40 for a tester. (I'm an IT Manager with a Networking background) The reason being, the ones we've deployed below around $50-60 have all given some, incorrect readings. We found it was often due to not enough signal strength being pushed through the cable (it has to have enough to go up, then back down the line) or that only having the cap for other end had to be set perfectly on the jack.
I was on a site one time, and a guy had a cheaper model no name one, and a pre-made patch cable was testing bad on his tester, but on my Klein Pro Scout 2, it tested good, and plugged into my laptop worked perfectly fine. Guy said he paid $10 for it, and had trusted it for over a year. I can't even imagine how many cables that guy had to remake, especially on longer pulls.
I've had my Klein for a while now, and probably tested a few thousand cables by now, and haven't had one be wrong on me, or any of my techs below me. (We also bought them the same tester) Southwire also makes a great cable tester, for the $60-100 range. If you want the best of the best (which I imagine that you don't, if you're after a $5 tester) then jump on a Fluke if at all possible. There is a reason Amazon has over 800 reviews on a tester that is also over $800 USD.
@@433honda334 but what do tester do that a computer doesn't ? I mean you juste test of the cable work so if the computer have internet it's all good .
get a 10k tester :V
11:24, put them side by side in order in between 2 fingers then cut the ends off flush and put them all in at the same time.
This, and you don't even need to cut the ends off flush when you use passthrough connectors.
@@jakecrowley6 no just no. Never in my life. 750 ends in 3 days. All three piece ends 2 bad connections one was bad because it was missing pins. Smh.
That was hardest way to use an EZ RJ45 I’ve ever seen lmao
just pull the string never go wrong lol
how are you supposed to use it?
Max Steinhauser the cable has a pull string in the center. Pull it back and it cuts the sheathing. Use snips to cut the excess. Straighten the twisted pair. Line up the colors. Pinch hard. Cut the wires straight across. Push wires firmly into the underside of the connector until they stop. Make sure the sheathing is past the crimp area for stress relief. Crimp down tight for a solid connector. Check all the copper connectors should be straight, equal height, centered on the wires, and firmly pressed into the wires. Now realize you forgot your boot.
Mark M nice profile picture
i cringed as i watched jay channel his inner linus
As a network tech this is indeed painful to watch 😅😂 but great video as always 👍👍
As someone utterly hopeless with network cable, seeing him try to wire the RJ45 connector one conductor at a time was still painful. With the straight through connectors you have much more to work with to get them straight FIRST so they all go in together without issue.
On the other hand it does make me feel more comfortable with my own lack of skill and maybe that's the point. ;)
Why is it so painful to watch? What are the mistakes?
agreed lol
@@macswi he was just terminating those ends rather slowly. But I'm the same way sometimes without my coffee! 🤷♂️ no judgement! 😎
@@macswi keystone jacks + punch is the way to go
Yes, I am a network engineer, and yes, I am commenting. Love your system builds, you are an absolute artist on custom builds. However, your networking skills, makes me cringe. Love your channel anyway. At least you are entertaining while your are butchering your poor cables.
agreed. SO many noob mistakes. particularly the putting the ends on, OMG. lol and i didn't see him using keystones. was he using a coupler? smh
Second that
He looks as skilled as a Comcast technician trying to install. I cringed hard when Comcast installed their modem at my work. I had to re do everything he did right when he left.
@Kevin Prima This is just a circlejerk, if it works for him it works.
painful to watch from the start, including tying to use fish tape, where a fish sticks should have been used or a pull wire/rope using old cable to pull it up and pull bundle in the other way ;)
I do this for a living and this was painful to watch but that being said good for you for putting yourself out there and doing something you're not that comfortable doing for us to watch. thank you for the content.
"but Jay why you didn't use Cat7?" 🤣🤣🤣
jk
Cat7a!
fiber or bust :P
Fishtape fail ....
Tape the cat6 to the coax....
Pull the coax up the wall until you get the cat6..... Then pull enough cat6 up to tape the coax to and pull the coax and the cat6 down... No fishtape needed.
Not trying to troll, just my experience talking.
Fishtape is luxury where i'm working. I have gained skills to stiffen the wire and push it upwards. Like a magician
@@psycho-nutkase9233 on lower only heights having tensile strenght of coax could be enough to put in drywall avoiding l-beams. on higher - fiber support from heavyduty fiber optics cables is the way to go, because they tend to keep themselves straight
@@psycho-nutkase9233 and hell of a patience
At least push the fish tape down the wall.... Gah!
Oh wait..... Maybe the whole header was gone!!!!!!! Hahahahaha....
Hey Jay, when you use the stripper tool and remove the jacket, grab the nylon string inside the jacket and pull hard.
It will pull back the jacket of the cable further and you can now rest assured those copper UTP will be untouched and scored by the stripping tool.
Hope this makes sense and helps :)
@Majestic Beardsman the reason they broke was Jay was using the incorrect slot for the stripper tool for first tries. So that slot is meant for tougher cable that has a metal shield, which is harder to strip. You should only have to rotate the stripper tool one full cycle if its brand new maybe two if it's a really old stripper tool for cat5e or cat6 cable.
No no no NOOOO
Years after this video is released still makes me laugh every time I watch it bring a smile to me well done
Studio build vlogs are better than PC videos, keep up the series Jay!
agree, so far these are some of my favorites
A little Network technician died watching CAT6 feed into connector by 1 strand at a time... Oh Jay, You are so funny :D:D:D
You mean sketchy Cat5E and crimps that look like dogshit. Connected to Cisco Switches from 1995?
I'm more baffled that he used an RJ-45 connector, instead of a keystone.
@@shartwell08 he outright said he just didn't want to use one
Deniss Jakušonoks likewise....
Died as well, but still entertaining as hell!
Why not CAT7 ?
Use a small loop inside the panel to prevent it... From problems
CAT6 shouldn't even exist...
CAT6a or CAT7
Cat7 has yet to be standardised or recognised by the TIA/EIA. Cat6a is the current standard for 10GBaseT connectivity. If you want the equivalent or better performance that Cat7 offers, you might as well should just go fibre optic cabling for your network, at least using MMF cables. (Though fibre optic would be harder to diagnose and replace compared to Ethernet cabling.)
Even if he were to use Cat6a, it's more expensive to make than Cat6 cabling.
@@daviddebroux4708 Either Cat7 or Cat7a Wiring + Cat6a Patchpanels is the way to go for 10gig ethernet.
You always just go with the best wiring there is, as you really really don't want to replace it in the future.
@@ChristianMcDonald1 Why not CAT8?
@@sow1ec or 9. Maybe even splurge for cat 10!
*** Little Tip ***
When installing cables through a wall, include a cord coated with talcum powder with the Cat-6 cable. Fix one into the dry-wall box and fix the other end in a sturdy section above the ceiling.
What this does is plan for future cabling installations where you can add more of the same or different cables such as expanding to CAT-7, optical, coax, etc. The talcum powder on the cord makes it so easier to pull through.
Just remember to add another talcum coated cord in the next installation to make this perpetual.
pulling string because it's less than a penny per foot if you buy it by the bucket or 2 cents a ft if you by small increments.
Watching him put each pair into the fitting, by each individual wire, was painful.
Ugh it made me cringe. He learning tho.
🤣🤣🤣 he needs some help on his technique for sure
oh god as a network engineer that was hard to watch lol.
I hope they used Plenum cable
Also that doesn’t look like cat-6 that cat6 I have seen all has some metal sheathing under the outer sheathing.
@@DeadlyDragon_ Pretty sure only plenum/fire rated has the metal sheathing.
@AW plenum cable determines the materials used to construct the cable, you can get both shielded and unshielded plenum cable. Still as a network eng this had me laughing out loud.
Yeah if anyone in my company ended up doing something that horrible they'd be taken off the tools...
Just keep doing you Jay, I watch your stuff because you're real and I learn. You're a good teacher and content creator. Good job brother 💪👍
For anyone reading, here’s a practical tip: When fishing wires, the fiber glass “glow sticks” that you can screw together are much easier to work with than the spool of fish tape. I personally just use electrical tape to secure the cable to it.
You simply aren’t going to go more than 15 feet with a single pull. For super long straight runs, pull a nylon string through first and use that to pull the cable.
yeah those fish tape are trash.... gravity works way better... glow sticks are amazing for horizantly fishing
Having both fish tape and pull sticks is a must! But, I also like to use some high-strength string with a big old bolt on the end of it. Drop that from the top and you know it will go straight down, _and_ how far along the wall you are by all the banging.
Not so helpful if there's fiberglass insulation in the wall cavity, but in most interior walls, there isn't any, so it's quick and easy.
11:02 When the verge teaches you how to terminate RJ45's.
lol ...how not to install a connector
probably end up with 10Mbps in the end lol
That's what happens when you don't have the tweezers.
For low voltage, they have open back orange boxes with the tabs.
yea was wondering why he was using a romex old-work box for low voltage stuff
Yep, I install this stuff. I was yelling at the monitor it is still the wrong box. He used a standard high voltage full box instead of a low voltage.
Came down here to say this
^ what he said..... I died a little when I saw the blue box. The one before was better...... 😬🙄
Was here for this comment as well.
Here I the UK, I went to a local company to run cat6 and audio cable. They quoted £4500 and would not use the plates I wanted or run the cable the route i needed. So, i did it myself. It's awesome, better quality than they offered and cost me a couple of hundred to do. Mind blowing really.
Good video by the way.
Is that like over 7 grand in Canadian or 5 grand usa?
Thats insane to charge some one that amount of money, makes me wonder what my boss charges now for when i am running low voltage cable and cat5e and fiber optic
4:45 Get the Class-2 orange boxes. They are much easier to work with and you don't need the back for Class-2 wiring. Home Depot has them in the finish section with all the networking stuff. I just use a sharp utility knife and lightly score the sheath of the cable and use the stiffening string inside the cable to just pull back the insulation. If you score through the insulation and hit the conductors they will either break or leave exposed copper which can eventually corrode or short. It's also imperative to keep the strands twisted as tightly as possible and only deviate up to 1 cm of untwisted pairs.
I was gonna say, open back low voltage boxes would be much better there.
Mrs JayzTwoCents: "How was your day at the office?"
Jay: "I misused a stripper..."
:D
"The stripper cost me real bad"
It's actually Mrs JaneTwoCents
Tip for stripping CAT cable: use the stripper only to expose the wires and the little fibre string thing. Then either use the string or a pair of pointed wire cutters to cut the plastic shielding on the CAT cable to expose more wire. This way you'll have fresh wires that haven't touched your stripper and will not rip apart every time you untwist them.
As a network guy, can confirm I was cringing and thought I could do it 200x faster.
9:18 "These strippers are taking all my money!" 😉😂
I wish i could like this twice!!
@@caleb580 3
😊
Should have used the low voltage old work box which is the orange one with no box behind it.
Mike Harris wow dude, you’re the type of person that would bitch about him using cat 5e, arn’t you?
Who fucking cares what box type he used... it’s the same size as blue ones and does the same job.
@@iceeeyN00B the orange ones have an open back and no max cu in and the blue ones have a max fill capacity
@@TheWrubelized That is an insulated wall. The box is the better type to use. I wish he wouldn't have said that the only difference between cat 5 and 6 is distance. That's not true. Frequency is also different.
@@Darkerfoxtech the box he used is not the better type, the box mike is talking about is a low voltage ring which only use is data wires. the reason the one jay used isnt correct is because that box has internal clips which press down on the wire holding them in place. that damages cat6 and can be very hard to get the wires back in without crimping them
Richard Wrubel I’ll give you this... that was more articulate and far less condescending then the comment I replied too was, and people that read this thread will now have a better understanding of the difference in box type. Thank you for that.
Now to for me to clarify. I was amused by this guys comment because its tone and intent runs parallel to the same guy that would comment about the necessity of Cat 6 over Cat 5 for a short run. The idea that this guy felt the need to tell Jay he “should”, do something another way that effectively has no meaningful impact on functionality is asinine. And I comfortable saying that, because of how easy the wall cavity is to access from above.
Making our own gigabit transfer cables in my computer repair class was one of my favorite projects
11:00 so, not actually the network engineer, but I think a keystone jack would been easier and buy premade patch cables.
Braiam Aye. Keystone and a punch down tool. Don’t even need RJ45 tips.
I'm mostly a network engineer, and i agree with you 😉
hey Jay, just want to say thanks for not being lazy and showing how to do your own work. Kudos to you brother
A professional would have patched that hole in the drywall!
No watch RUclips and fix it yourself
That bothered me, too.
where's my fiber optics tutorial jay? where's my minecraft modding tutorial jay? where's my how to jayztwocents tutorial jay? :P
Where's the jayz Minecraft optics tutorial?
Just a bit of advice from a cable technician, and I know that your setup is temporary so no hate. The coax jumper, aka that Walmart special, your using to go from the wall plate to the modem will cause ALOT of issue for your gig service due to the lack of shielding. The OFDM carrier is extremely sensitive to ingress, just ask spectrum for a jumper to make sure it has proper shielding. Love your vids man, just looking out for you brother, keep up the good work! P.S. shame on that tech for 1. Making an unnecessary hole and 2. Using XL fittings ( which again when not torqued to the correct tightness can cause ingress issues) my guess is that they where a contractor 🤢🤮 I sorry on their behalf 🤦♂️
We get the same issues on the other side of the pond brotha! As regards to contract work on cable systems. Also cringed watching the termination of the CAT6 Yikes!!!!!!
Existing jack looked to be phone line only dude prob didn’t have the outlet for phone/coax so made independent outlet. Idk I try not to judge another persons work too hard for idk what situation there were in.
Oh thank you! I'm an cable tech as well and I ABSOLUTELY hate when customers buy their own coaxial lines with horrible shielding!
TerasobaRsNerd does it matter if the stinger is entirely copper or is it fine if it is copper coated. I’m phone side btw
BassRacerx Idk cause it seams like more work to remove housing from the wall then drill a hole to run the wire through then place new jack rather knocking out housing tab and running cable through that. Hopefully he was just being considerate to phone side rather than being half ass. Obviously he took shortcuts by not cutting housing unit in but shoot it looks like he atleast anchored faceplate to wall.
I really enjoyed watching you have to keep redoing the ends. Now I know I'm not the only one that's done that. Spin that thing to many times and it cuts into the conductor. Keep up the good work.
Not the correct box for running coax and/or Ethernet. That box is an old work electrical box for duplex outlets or switches,etc. What you needed was a low voltage old work box which is an open frame instead of a closed box (and usually orange). A bit easier to work with. Just an FYI.
He could have just made it alot cleaner by just terminating the cable at the wall with an Ethernet socket. Running a cable straight through the wall is below amateur grade.
Watching him put one cable in at a time hurt....😂
Tip for everyone though, always use the B standard. It is the most used in the field.
Great Job though Jay. Love your channel.
one at a time is how you're supposed to do it if you're using pass through ends, which he was. That wouldn't work at all with the old style ends though. Pass through is actually faster if you know what you're doing, no need to unkink the cables like crazy, wreck your fingertips flattening the end, cutting it down exactly, then shoving it through the connector while holding tight praying that none of the wires gets enough slack to slide back. You simply slip them all through the end, slide the connector back as far as it will go, cut off the excess, crimp, and remove any further excess.
@@theredscourge If you know what you are doing then you will put those cables properly on first try :/
Jay's over here gettin 700 megabits per second well I'm over here getting 5 megabits per second oh I wish I had that
Talon Jacobson I get 1mb down and 100kb up
MR.UNKNOWN ye me too, sometimes even 200 kb - 400 kb
What country is that to the that speed. Australia has really terrible internet speeds.
Feel you man. Hughesnet is so bad where we live that I've been using my unlimited Verizon 4G LTE just to get in the 2 Mbps mark at best.
Damn how do you survive downloading shit. I have 15 Mbps with a house full of 5 other people and verious devices I know it's nothing in comparison to jays but I wouldn't be able to cope with 5mpbs with most content being digital now
Being an old-ISH truck driver, most of your content I have to watch over and over to understand it, my head gets overloaded quickly, information comes so fast man but I love it.
DIY love to hate it but its what i do too for me its about the $, oh and I only had to watch this post once I got it first time round.
FS2020, my systems Min spec has been shafted by recent updates, clear skies only now, so would you could you do some content on a budget build designed around FS2020 requirements for us Australian simmers, every item we buy down here we have to add 30% on the Dollar, I get how it works but it still hurts.
Love your channel, passion and enthusiasm, good job, all of you. Stay safe.
Jay.... We need that 900mb/s....
Me.... Struggling with my 5mb/s and only getting about 600kb because TDS......
Yep, I hear you there... I'm paying out the rear for "7mb/s" and in reality, I'm getting 3mb/s and downloading things at 600kb/s... I hate game updates... lol
@@adamalward3450 it's kinda rediculous really. One house down from us has Cable..... And we can't get it because TDS bought our entire district years ago..... Like.... What???? Lol
2mb/s here xDDD
@@ItsReaxxion teasing me with your faster internet xD
TDS rural Minnesota grind
What you really want for low voltage cables like that is a . . . low voltage, or mud, ring. They're usually orange plastic or steel, and basically just a flange to reinforce the drywall to support the faceplate screws: no box in the back to get in your way.
Also, next time you're in the market for a low voltage (network, surveillance) contractor in California, find one with a C-7 license. That's *specifically* low voltage and means you're not hiring a regular indoor wiring company that picks up the odd low voltage job simply because their license allows it. They're not all good, by any means, but at least you're starting with a pool that *specializes* in that subfield.
Hell, if you're interested I could come by and show you some of the tricks of the trade. San Diego's only a couple hours away and I like road trips.
Mud rings are awesome! Also, modular plates with keystones for basic future-proofing. Love to see combo coax and phone/network plates (at least in residential) because it shows that all lines are home runs (ring topology phone in 2019? yuck!), and punch down blocks in a common utility wall/closet/etc. (electrical+phone+coax all in one spot).
I used to do residential installs for my local cable company. And it was always a nice day when I could install the modem and router in the basement by the breaker box and patch in the CAT runs to all the other rooms (for one or more wireless AP locations, for example).
@@PongoXBongo Oh, it's *definitely* possible to have ring cabling with keystones . . . unfortunately.
I was lucky enough to work commercial, mostly retail. Lots of new work and remods. My favorite part of the work is generally pulling cable, actually. It's only really a problem when you've got something like a 160-cable single pull through a 4" conduit - starting straight up, naturally . . ..
15:14 So Jay is just Linus on the budget? 😂
Phil’s laugh is so infectious!
You two are a good duo 😄
Jay: we're ONLY getting 600mbps
me: my entire shop runs at 50mbps
Our whole clinic runs on 16 haha.
It's always fun to watch Jay doing anything.
Jay, you still used the wrong box. You used a high voltage old work box. That's for electrical wiring. Like 110V power. Come on.
Yup! Open back orange are the easiest AND NEMA recognized.
Yea he needed to use an LV plate instead. Much easier to work with.
As an electrician, I was looking for this comment. Didnt use a low voltage box/ring.
Is what he used better than just a hole in the wall with screws in the dry wall?
@@admin8244 an LV ring would have been easier to work with and they're cheaper than a full box.
Hi Jay, if you noticed, there's a nylon string that keeps the 4 pairs together inside. It can also serve as a cutter for the insulation. Just cut back the insulation a bit, take needle nose pliers and wrap the nylon string around the tip of your pliers and pull back the insulation. Your wires will not be nicked and therefore will not break off. Each pair of wire has a different amount to twist per inch. Pair 1 has the most. Pair 2 has less. And pair 4 has the least. Originally, the pin out was arranged so you could have a phone line and twisted pair Ethernet on the same wire. So pair 1 was for the phone and pair 2 and 3 were for TP Ethernet.
If you want better noise immunity, you want to use pair 1 and 2. That's the blue and orange pair respectively. This will give you the best connectivity. If you break a pair and can't run a new cable, you can use one of the other pairs, but you will lose some signal strength. Note that the pairs I'm referring to are in the wire. So the actual pair colour makes a difference.
Keystone jack all the things. Drops, patch panels, everything.
My thoughts to. Or the specially designed rj45 boxes with print plates fixed inside.
Love it. this video had me smiling the entire time. Love the DIY approach. I find I've been wanting to do more DIY myself. Made my own shelves last year and am probably gonna do some other projects, more computer modding related. Thanks for the fun video Jay! BTW, love Phil's laugh. It's infectious.
You could have just used low voltage wall inserts.
Get a ethernet cable tester, they're like $10 on Amazon.
He had to buy one at Home Depot while buying the wall box :D
DO NOT buy a cheap tester. Get at least a decent one.
@@MrDgwphotos The cheap one is fine if you only use it once every blue moon though, no need for anything fancy then.
technically low voltage and data use the orange boxes, not blue. blue signifies high voltage, orange signifies low voltage or communications
This isn't true about boxes. They need to be UL Listed. Color coding relates to wiring. Then explain why a metal box isn't colored but is UL Listed, or how wiremold also doesn't follow a color scheme except for its cosmetics or why an Arlington LV1 for example is black.
@@generation-x406 you are correct. Many (but not all) brands use blue for high voltage and orange for low voltage, but that's not what's relevant. What's important is that high voltage boxes are fully enclosed, as a matter of safety. Low voltage boxes are open in the back to make wiring easier.
@@BigLifeWithLitlJay Bingo!
As a 20 year IT veteran, this was so hard to watch lol
Hard hard cringe is all over.
Working in the computer field since before the IBM PC was invented, this was too difficult to watch to the end... funny, yes; professionally done, no. Not to mention the actual testing of the cable, plug it in and see if it works... better not do that with POE... LOL
@@GritPicker POE crossover... BOOM! (well, at least damage by powering what shouldn't be powered).
@corn_fed_ls As a 20 year IT veteran I bet it would have been worse watching the “professional” who installed before the amateur lol
Heck as a almost 7 year "vet" watching him put each strand into the rj45 one at a time was hard.
Do a unifi setup. A pair of nanoHD's, a 24 port switch and a router.
James S fuck yea
Great video! As a former home technician for a Canadian telecom company, I can admit that training of their staff in regards to aesthetics of their installs is minimal. Training is more focused on how to splice, and make the proper network connections from the source to the customer. How the inside wiring is installed is largely dependent on the experience and common sense of the tech, as well as the overall layout/construction of the house.
You dont need a "box" for data or low voltage. you could have used a thing called a low voltage ring.
"Professional", when it comes down to it, just means they are being paid to do it - it DOESN'T mean they are by any means 'experts', or skilled.
In all 'professions' there are incompetent people who do not have the required skillset - just as some 'amateurs' are actually very skilled.
his cable tech did a great job.
Actually his the tech did a good job.
Not to mention he was probably a contractor making not a lot of money
10:34 Jay: "I'm using CAT6 to avoid comments"
commenter, 2 seconds later: "Why didn't you use CAT7? :kappa:"
Umm let me see... because it uses different connectors... If you want to play the numbers game go Cat 8 at least it is comparable with the early plugs.
@@DodgyBrothersEngineering oh honey you are sarcasm-impaired aren't you poor thing
Moral of the story : ignore comments.
@@DodgyBrothersEngineering you can put any connector on any cable that doesn't matter. Wires are exactly the same. Just the shielding is better on cat 7. Actually there isn't even a Keystone Jack that supports Cat7 yet. Cat6a is the most you can get as far as Jack's go.
well having worked with CAT6 Cables i am surprised he didn't show the difference between CAT5e and CAT6. the difference from CAT5e and CAT8 is CAT8 each pair of twisted pair is shielded compared to only operating them out from each other. In theory it should allow up to 40Gbps over 30 meters. It is not rated for over 30 meters. Now CAT6 like CAT5e and before are rated for 100 meters before signal loss is a possible issue.
Really going from CAT6 to CAT7 makes no sense going from CAT6 to CAT8 makes sense though the tool he uses might have to change due to how it is constructed physically. Never worked with CAT8 but it looks very much like CAT5 shielded cable. Again instead of the entire thing being shielded together CAT8 has each twisted pair shielded which is the possible reason why the other tool might be needed to get no cross talk between them.
You also have he most likely is never going to have a 40Gbps network running on RJ-45 as that is still to expensive for most businesses except for the main servers that might go with 40Gbps but most likely will go with 1Gbps or 10Gbps.
Jay: he used the wrong box
Jay: *proceeds to use high voltage box for internet
Using a high voltage box for low voltage wiring is fine, and his local Home Depot may not stock low voltage boxes. (They all have some networking gear now, but only a few have the full professional selection.) At least he used a correct box for drywall. Using a low voltage box for high voltage wiring is a safety hazard and a code violation.
Somewhere around 15 years ago we had an electrical contractor pull network wiring all over our house. (I could have DIYed a drywall install as Jay did, but fishing wire through plaster and lath walls is above my pay grade.) They used standard electrical boxes, just as Jay did, though not the kind for drywall because that's not what our walls are. I did the terminations myself (using the 110-style keystone jacks that Jay doesn't like but I do) because that wasn't one of the services that our electricians offered at the time, and I also did the patch panels.
Should have gotten a standard mud ring, and called it good.
Thats high voltage?? 🤣
@@MYHYPO1 It's high voltage as in "not low voltage"; in other words, designed for standard household wall outlets. It's not high voltage in the sense of the multiple kilovolt electricity that is used on the wires on poles and long distance transmission lines. The code requirements for low voltage wiring are much less stringent because it's difficult to get electrocuted by casual contact, nor is fire caused by sparks likely.
*tosses it*
"Shit"
*Pulls it back*
Oh the joys of throwing cable😂
SAME! Usually ducts, grid wire, and all-thread/threaded rod gets in the way.
@@camerons.8322 not to mention eating half a pound of fiberglass
You'd think, after he cut the internal wires the first two times, he would've adjusted the cutter.
My crimp tool has a blade specifically designed to cut the sheath at the correct depth and leave the inner wires at the correct length. Much recommended.
I can do the whole termination with just electricians scissors.
Why use wire strippers if you have teeth? :p
@@thomasrandwijk
I had a foreman that was able to crimp a Panduit RJ45 jack with his teeth. IDK how he's able to do that since it has to be hard on his teeth.
Just a tip: Next time you fish a wall pull a string with your wire so that next time you don't have to fish the wall again.
Hey, this video was really helpful. You actually taught me something that I've always wondered!
As an electrician from Germany it's hard to watch! 😂
I am feeling the same pain.
L V B
12:00 Also why not use keystone plates? Saves you A LOT of time on termination. Then just run a patch cable from there.
I love the Keystones, on both ends. I have a couple 24 port 1U keystones for my Rack. This allows you to easily install the wires into the Keystones and pop them into the 24 port 1U plate. Best of all, you can use different colors if you want. Say Red for one room, Blue for another room. Any ports in the 1U plate you don't need, you can use blank plates to fill them in. My Rack is in my small Closet and trying to add a whole bunch of wires onto a 24 port rack plate sucks. It gets packed full of wires. and gets harder and harder as you add one cable after another to it. using a Keystone Patch panel, it's easy to group Keystones togeather. If something happens to that 1 port, you can pull that Keystone and install a new Keystone onto the cable and pop it back in and good to go again.
@@jbdragon3295 Exactly! I love the key stone plates as well. For every reason you have stated. Mine is currently broken down by number and color per vlan.
Don't keystones require a special tool that's used ONLY for keystone jacks/blocks? While Jay could probably afford it, that's one more tool to keep track of that is also rarely used. Making your own cables is useful in many more situations, and something Jay mentioned he'd done before. Also, easy to leave those looking sloppy enough to invite comment, while a connector almost forces the exact tolerances (if connector is crimped to the sheath).
@@dstarfire42 A punch down tool. Keystone jacks save so much time. Its not worth using the rj45 ends for that reason alone.
I believe the plugs are also not designed to crimp on to that kind of cable. I've done it myself often enough but patch cable is different. Many of the keystone jacks I've bought came with cheap plastic punchdown tools that work just fine for the job when you're doing a one-off like this too.
CAT6 but literally the cheapest one. Without foil and shielding. That won't get you good 10Gig
Cat 6 can't reach 10Gbit/s. Cat 6a can reach up to 10Gbit/s
@@WhiteTiiger I've installed 20+m of Cat5e SFTP cables and they do 10Gbps without problem, even though it is rated only to 1Gbps.
cat6 UTP doesn't have shielding (Unshielded Twisted Pair), cat6 STP does but it's not needed unless you are in a dirty enviroment (in the sense of EM pollution). it'll also need grounded jacks and connectors to work with STP and given the problems he had with basic twisted pairs he'll be wasting money on expensive cable.
@@WhiteTiiger CAT6 can do 10Gb up to 55m. CAT6a does 10Gb the full 100m. I doubt any of his runs are going to be over 150ft
It must be really fun working with you
And props to getting this new place, it looks awesome and huge!