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Despite their "No returns" policy, you can return it due to Amazon A-Z guarantee which as a seller on amazon, they've agreed to abide by.
True, but Amazon has been known, and still is, too reject this policy outright. Kind of depends on who you're dealing with at Amazont that day :/
@@madezra64 I've never had an issue. It's always been through the automated return process for me. Had one where they told me to keep the item and refunded my money for it not matching the description.
I sell on Amazon and can 100% guarantee that you can return this. AND SHOULD!.
@@wesleymantooth8016 Historically amazon has footed the bill for smaller sellers because it isn't worth their time to fight with smaller sellers. Returns are rare so amazon doesn't really mind
@@wesleymantooth8016 racist much?
Pretty sure Amazon cannot sell those. Lootboxes where you get more or less value than exactly what you pay for should qualify as gambling, and I am pretty sure Amazon is not licensed for that kind of thing and neither are these sellers, so this is flatly illegal.
then they also wouldn't be able to sell MTG or Pokémon cards. Unfortunately.
@@OnceShy_TwiceBitten i think that TCG booster packs are a bit different. The manufacturer doesn't sell singles. You can't buy a $200 Alternate Art Charizard V or a Base Set Charizard directly from Pokemon Company International, so they don't have a MSRP. You can argue that all cards are worth about the same to the publisher because they are, essentially, equally sized printed pieces of cardboard. They only have different values in the secondhand market. But GPUs aren't all equal to the manufacturer, they have different costs, sizes, parts and materials, and because of that, different MSRPs.
Think about it like weight: all booster packs weigh the same. They all have, roughly, the same quantity of material. But a 3090 has a lot more components and materials used than a 710 GT. Hell, just in the heatsink alone you can see a difference in the quantity of copper and aluminum used, and how that would definitely affect pricing.
@@OnceShy_TwiceBitten those aren't gambling. If they were they wouldn't be able to sell them in stores
@@thiagopepper I think it’s more along the lines of the packs having a set value. For example, if you wanted to buy a magic the gathering Ikoria booster pack, despite the fact that you don’t know what cards you’re getting inside, an unopened booster pack from that set is worth around $5, and if you don’t open it then it will retain that value. This graphics card “mystery box” on the other hand sends you one of many different products with different prices, they’re not sending you a product that no matter how many times you open it will have a single definable value, and even worse it looks like they aren’t giving a full list of all the options you could get, aren’t giving exact chances for each item, and haven’t verified that the rates are actually what they state.
Now, you could try and argue that with card booster packs you still don’t know what you’re getting, I mean after opening one the cards inside could have a total value anywhere from less than $1 to over $1000, so wouldn’t that be considered gambling too? Well, not exactly, at least not anything that Amazon would be responsible for, they’re selling you a pack of cards with a set value and you know exactly what you’re getting, 1 pack of whatever set you’re ordering; now sure you can open that pack, get all the individual cards, and then take them each at their individual value, but you could have left the pack sealed and it would have stayed worth whatever a pack from that set is. Now, when people start selling mystery cards where they give you opened cards at random, or even self made packs from cards they had already opened, that gets back into the territory where it might not be allowed; especially because while companies like MTG and Pokémon can be held accountable for the rates of cards inside of packs, and they have done all the necessary paperwork and followed all the rules to produce these packs and sell them, none of those things apply to these random “mystery box” sellers on Amazon
Jay, you need to ask Amazon to audit this seller to see if they even have any current generation graphics cars being sent out.
well, if you get the right guy amazon work fast with audit and closing shops. I managed to have a shop close for "suspicious of fraud".
Basically I was buying an xmas present for my brother (an epson xp2100) that was underprice. Like it was 70€ instead of 90, but since the xp2200 was behind the corner I said "well, they are cleaning the surplus". Make the payment and in like less than a minute I got 3 email from amazon:
the second one was "we got your money, but the product was out of order by the time you clicked "buy". you'll get your money back in 7 days". There were 10 printers ready to go.
the first one was about "we tried to get yor money but there wasnt enough on your card. No charge was applied on your card": I did just recharge 80€ just to be sure
the third one was from the vendor that said "there was a problem with your order cal me at this number". It was an american phone number, land line. I'm italian.
contacted the vendor with amazon self help. sended him screenshots of the payments, of the mails, ecc. He erased the chat history in ten minutes flat.
called an operator on amazon with their chat. He recovered the erased chat and screenshot. he did see that a lo tof people got the same problem. He did speed up the refund (three days), put an audit call on the shop and suspended ASAP the shop on "suspicious of multiple frauds". Basically this f**ker had a bot clean the disponibility queque each time someone tried to buy something (so your transaction was canceled), then send a fake amazon message that there wasnt money from another account with a name in ascii characters that resembled the word amazon (so you tough it was your fault) and a message in his shop name to contact him and sell you his things without amazon as intermediary. And of course without warranties nor certain that you WOULD get the things, the cheapest, non trackable, non inusred shipping, etc etc. I dont think he'll ever manage to open another shop in amazon from all the blacklists he will have got on his name XD
@@ignoto82drWOWW... This MFs are developing advanced techniques to scam people!! Thank you for sharing your experience !!
I just realised a lot of countries (especially in Europe) are starting to forbid lootboxes in games as they are compared to lottery but the same logic does not applies on cards deck boosters while the concept is very similar. (you are guarantee to obtain something but it is random so if you want a specific one it could cost a lot of money).
Claw machines should be illegal
You mean like the yu-gi-oh craze 16 years ago? Used to get for 5 bucks a pack, 9 cards, 5 low tier ones, 3 high tier with a possibility of 1 rare card.
My brother got all the useful rare ones and I burned through what little savings I had to get some upperhand on him. Expensive lesson, but it taught me to be more patient and only buy into certainty, not probability.
Only thing left for those cards is waiting for them to become vintage.
@@Juani_lol WOW Reality, What A Concept. Love that comment LMAO!
@@FeArhsma21 probably lost more money than I can count on claw machines
It's not "a similar concept", it's the concept of gambling. Everything with a chance to win is gambling, so lottery, loot boxes and card booster packs are all gambling. It's all about the "big prize" that makes you throw out money for shit, even when you always lose more than you win.
The part where it says "This is a adventure about Courage and Luck!" Hahahaha
*an ... Sorry had to do it as the quote you wrote was technically wrong... :P
Wel it kind of is, if the seller finds someone with the courage to buy, then their luck is in.
If I wanted this, I'd just buy from Craigslist.
😂😂😂
"Sense of pride and achievement"
I'm surprised they even sent a PC component, I expected a box full of cicada molts or something.
what ever reason would you need a usb Random number generator? can't your pc do that with software using the cpu?
That's funny, I was thinking something people find almost as useless, an actual book.
@@raven4k998 RNG by your computer is not truly random, a hardware RNG is supposed to offer truly random numbers. There are a few applications where this might be needed, mostly scientific research afaik. Anyway, I doubt what they are selling really does that lol
There are laws though. They can't outright lie or at least they need to be careful with that as they could get charged with false advertisement.
So companies use vague wording and have use big print on some parts and small print on others to try to mislead consumers without outright lying.
The most important thing to keep in mind is that companies are organizations created to make money. So if you are buying a product of theirs you are giving them more money than they used to give you what you purchased. So if you get something that's worth more than what you paid for then you need to assume they screwed over many times that number of customers by giving them less than what they paid for to make profit.
@@kuro19382 Even hardware based RNG has it's limit. The truest RNG that exists comes from a tech company that films a wall of 200+ lavalamps and develops numbers based on the of the blobs. The lamps areexposed to sunlight as well so the summer/winter change of daylight hours also factors in and keeps it as random as reasonably possible.
Thank you for putting your time into making this video for the public.. Scammers need to understand that they just need to get a real 9-5
Surprised they actually sent a video card at all. My wife bought one of these mystery boxes; I don't remember what she thought she was buying but she thought she was getting something at least worth $30. What they sent her was about 4 dishwasher tablets. I was fairly angry when I found out she was wasting money on scams like this when we are on a tight budget already, but luckily amazon refunded our money after I contacted them about the scam.
Best practice is to check who the "sold by" and "ships from" on market place sellers then do a little Google searching on the company/entity. Spend 2-5 minutes before ya drop 100s or 1000s of dollars on an item.
@R4M 845 same here. I've actually weeded out so many possible scams this way on Amazon, Ebay, and Newegg. So worth the little bit of time spent to avoid any headaches.
Also useful when you see a deal that's too good to be true: Check the seller-page on Amazon and check their "storefront" which is an option you find on the seller-page underneath the seller's name. If the seller has a lot of high-value products in there that all look like they're way under MSRP - or in case of Jay's video, perhaps a lot more of those loot-boxes for all sorts of products - then you can expect the seller to be shady.
@R4M 845 if its not "ship and sold by Amazon", unless its my local MicroCentre on amazon, then i wont cart it.
Normally basic comon sense will be enough.
Heck...I'd do that check before dropping more than $5 on them...
This is a very commonplace practice on all second hand markets as well, I see ads for these mystery boxes in fb marketplace, craigslist, offerup, etc. I'm surprised you even got something and that it worked! You really don't see anyone ever talking about receiving anything from these boxes so the chance that it could be a modern card is basically none.
True, I did "purchase" a $69 "Sapphire RX 6700XT" from a Marketplace seller (me and a couple of mates threw in a few bucks each just to see what would happen) who promised I would have a tracking number within 5 days. On the 10th day I didn't have my tracking number, so I emailed them, and again on day 14, and day 21, and day 28, at which point I sent a dispute to PayPal and they refunded my money within about 4 days. One of the reasons I use PayPal for any online transaction.
Saying that it "worked" is being EXTREMELY optimistic lmao.
Well, it's ok if they're transparent about it - if they offer you a $20 box of, say, 10 items all of which are second-hand and were lying in a storehouse somewhere, there's no issue imho. A tinkerer's paradise, so to say. It's when they claim ridiculous percentages of certain items that just cannot be correct due to their value. And if the mystery box is supposed to contain some "brand new" stuff, that's is doubly fishy since it looks just like a gimmick to get more people to risk it.
On the other hand, buyers should consider basic economics. Why would they sell brand new stock in a mystery box for $100, when they can easily sell it at full price the normal route? How much junk do they need to sell to break even? No, only used junk that no one really wants is put into these mystery boxes, cause underselling something is better than throwing it away and paying recycling fees on top of that.
which is strange because you would think if someone got something shitty they would write a review and tell people not to buy it, makes me think maybe the seller is somehow removing the reviews although I'm not sure how they could do that.
@@NonLegitNation2 uhh by removing the listing and putting a new one? Remember there are around 10-6 in stock at a time, so the "seller" can simply remove the listing when it runs out of stock, so reviews can't accumulate. Also it is possible that is one of an entire system of "Sellers" so RNG may never again list the mystery box offer, RandomFandom would, and then Entropy Org and so on. Once all the listings from the seller are sold, seller stops listing shit, or at least they appear to have stopped. Reality is they just create another seller and continue from there. It is not rocket science, has been done for years. You cannot sue a company that doesn't exist or has filed bankruptcy, because these types of scammers would open a "company" on the name of a random person whose ID they stole, and then IRS goes to check the person and it is an 89 year old lady that cannot even see yet alone operate a computer and open a company online, I have seen it with my own eyes.
Those people are so god damn slimy that they would beat a slug covered in oil in a sliding race..... and on disgusting factor as well.
I know I work at an Amazon warehouse and sometimes when we are able to catch these the customers are refunded. But these shops out of China have been known to send anything from fakes, defects, to absolutely sending hair ties in place of hard drives. We try to catch it at the warehouse (packages are weighed before shipping but we can’t catch them all)
Your participation in that mystery box was so "brave" and "courageous"
the video label is wrong is a gamble not a scam.
By the way Jay, you just got the top of the line, when compared to the other mystery boxes. This item was fulfilled by Amazon, so you or anyone that got scammed can just return it for a full refund.
That's true of everything on Amazon, even if they aren't the seller.
I mean you must be rly dumb to buy that from amazon ! - and people who bought it deserve it ! - just look on the bright side ! > they will get their lesson learned, just like everything in this life ! - better to be scammed by 100 $ than 10k later on !
What’s even worse with this, websites like
Pcgamer and digitaltrends wrote articles about these boxes and didn’t really point out how fishy this seemed or how it can be seen as a scam. It almost came across as “Hey, you might get something really good and with todays market it might be worth a shot.” Kind of sad if you ask me.
I mean, it is a possibility that some outlets were doing legitimate, fair mystery boxes at some point...but if the seller is some shady Chinese rando third-party...it's pretty much 100% a scam.
Even worse if they had affiliate links to Amazon, which I wouldn't put past either of those outlets.
@@Nyaochan And the listing doesn't even gaurantee that there is a 3090, 80 or even a 70 in there, just that there is a 30 series card. Given the probabilities, the probably buy one of the top tier series cards (3060 or 6600), buy a small batch of last-gen cards from a miner, and then get a pile of e-waste card for a bottom dollar bid with will contain a few 950's and 960's or 300 series equivalent. All single slot cards, all able to fit in that box. . Pay someone a low wage to quickly test and sort the e-waste bin and box these up in batches of 50. 1-2k or outlay, 5k revenue with no returns, Even with 50% of customers want a refund, it's still a pretty healthy margin.
But no there's not a 3090, 3080 or even a 2080 anywhere in there, and if amazon cared at all they could confirm it with shipping weights.
@@WorBlux Good breakdown. I would say that there is a 3060 or 6500 buried in there from most sources just because with those kind of margins, it's not a loss for them to get the sale for proof if it ever does get reported to amazon. If 70% is stuff they paid
I really appreciate this video. I am usually really careful about falling for scams. I did fall for one during the graphic card shortage, and I felt really stupid. It’s good to know that we all fall for these once in awhile😂
This is why I love shopping on Amazon. If you get scammed, get hold of customer service and the will issue you a refund. I have never failed to get a refund when I deserved one. Mystery boxes are an obvious scam, that's something people need to give their heads a shake about. People should know better.
Funny that the seller says "no returns accepted!" although it is a "FBA" product. Amazon will definitely accept a return for this, and if the seller marked the ASIN as "non-returnable" then you'd still get a refund by Amazon if you said "it's not what I expected". That's part of what a FBA-seller has to agree to.
EDIT: Should add, if the seller also sells the product via a Marketplace-listing (sold and shipped by the seller with the frankly unspeakable name) then a potential buyer would have a much harder way to fight this purchase. Though, most customer-service agents will still file a buyers protection claim for such things and it might go through. But yeah, at least Jay bought via FBA.
YEP! Sounds like a great opportunity to buy the boxes until you get something and return all the rest.
@@Just_Pele Seeing these kind of "loot-boxes" sold via FBA is very rare. Might be only a thing right now due to the current situation in the world, but I wholly expect this seller to primarily sell them via Marketplace only.
@Billy White Jr. That message is normal when a customer gives negative feedback and mentions that something was wrong with shipping or returns. In that case, Amazon strikes through the feedback (making it not affect the seller's score) as shipping and returns are handled by Amazon in case of FBA.
Amazon products sold in the Marketplace, also known as Fulfilled by Merchant, must still adhere to all Amazon return policies, no exceptions. There is no product in the electronics category that can be excluded from the Amazon return policy. Returns on ALL objects are allowed within 30 days. Marketplace seller only has the option to claw back return shipping charges.
@@Just_Pele problem is the algorithm of Amazon where if you have been getting so much concession, it will make it harder to get refunds or potentially close your account entirely.
I once had a crashing problem that was completely random, I eventually figured out it was the HDMI cable to my TV (that was disabled as a monitor). Never underestimate the power of a bad cable.
i have mine setup the same way. ill just extend the displays if i want to use my t.v. if i start to get crashing ill keep this in mind lol
Indeed , my monitor refused to display anything , checked all the bits , changed the monitor , changed the graphic card , reseated the memory , still nothing . Brand new build and I'm thinking cpu or board . Didn't occur to me to change the hdmi cable until a day later , and this was a brand new cable too that failed between boot up
@@berniecolley5524 New is
Never Ever Worked
Once/if it works, it is no longer new.
@@JasonW.
That's only if you buy cheap, reputable suppliers test their cables after construction. The last cable I had fail was a Scart cable just to put into context how long it is since I have had a dodgy interconnect, and my system uses many many interconnects.
@@darthwiizius came with the new monitor i got
Oh my God, I can't believe I won a MacBook Pro! Thank you Jay! I sent the Google play cards you asked for!
Scam them back and say the card was broken and you're leaving the country soon so you have no time to wait for a replacement. Amazon usually keeps things simple in such cases to favor their customers over the sellers, because they want repeated customers on the platform, while sellers come and go, so they're far more replaceable.
Legit laughed hard when he took it out of the box and smelled it, laughed even harder when he tried booting it up and got that weird screen image hahaha Thank you Jay for saving us from this catastrophe of a purchase 🤣
But now Jay has got the looser card. The chances of getting a 3090 are even higher now!!!! I would say try it!
@@emanemanresuresu I can be stupid, but I'm not that dense. Lol nobody wins.
@@MrBroGrow420 crazy not stupid 🤣 it's how I live 😆
Dude, nobody with over 2 braincells is gonna fall for it. Forget about getting a 3090 below MSRP. You can't even get a 3090 for MSRP.
@@anakinlowground5515 people are stupid they will buy it don't fool yourself 😆
I showed this video to a guy I know in Amazon's customer service and he recommended sending it back.
He pointed out that despite the bullet point that says they don't allow for returns, a bit below the "Add to cart" and "Buy now" buttons there is a line that says "Return policy: Eligible for return, refund, or replacement." The fact that it was missing that screw, he'd arrange a return due to it missing parts. Other reasons for a return could be defects or damage. Likely you could return it for any reason you want, though there may be a return shipping cost deducted based on the reason for the return.
The best part is that if it gets returned and refunded, the seller doesn't get paid for the sale.
I could afford to loose 110 dollar but I won't cause I can put that to better things
I should have done that with a thing I "bought". The order was for three separate items, one of which was supposedly a two-pack of charger pads for a Fossil Watch. What actually arrived was a 2-pack of Caribbean Spices. I think I was out about $12 so not a huge deal. I did try leaving a low rating and a comment about what I got, but Amazon didn't allow it for some stupid reason.
@@raven4k998 Which is the definition of, you can't afford to lose it if you need it for your other things.
There is no such thing as a non-refundable item on Amazon. They will refund you themselves, and kick the seller off the platform, if it comes to that.
@@Tijuanabill And there's always the option to dispute the charge through your credit card
Amazon is quickly turning into eBay and alibaba 🤣
Would like an update on that phone call with Amazon. I always see those mystery boxes on the site. Deep down always had an idea it was a scam and never had the need to find out. Thanks for proving me right lol.
Jay, I saw this crap on Amazon two days ago while I was in process of buying parts for a new build. This was such an obvious scam, I spent time to read the whole product description. I just had to see what some idiot was going to buy. I do realize you bought this as a RUclips content creator, not as a consumer like myself. I laughed out loud when you pulled that toxic POS out of the box 😂. Thanks for doing this.
I can't believe he put it near that nice build 🤢
Bro'...if I may respectfully ask you...why do you buy parts for a new build from Amazon of all places..??.. what happened to Newegg or the other providers..??.. are they undermined already by almighty Amazon..??..
don't we - consumers generally speaking - help Amazon put out of the business the other guys..??.. and implicitly help Bezos get his billions easier, only so in turn we can complain that the 1% of the elites want to rule the world..??..
For the record, I'm building gaming rigs since '92 and I never once bought a part from Amazon...in my case Newegg helped me build my business so I'll stick with them...
so why buy computer parts from Amazon..??.. I mean I can understand buying books - that's how they started back in the days - or buying any other crap, but why buy computer parts from Amazon..??.. they are not a specialized supplier, provider of computer parts..??..
don't get me wrong, but I just don't get it... honestly I never - not even once - purchased a computer part from Amazon... so I genuinely wonder why others would..??..
@@gabeghiby6935 have you been living under a rock?
@@gabeghiby6935 I bought most of my parts from Amazon in 2020 when I built mine. Honestly every time I do I think about how Bezos is getting my money but in reality I have learned to ignore it. I drink coke, eat at McDonalds and use amazon, if I started thinking about if everything I am doing is lining billionaire's pockets I would go crazy and frankly I am too insignificant to pretend like I will make a difference anyway.
I am personally in the UK so I wouldn't use Newegg but we do have other places. I am just used to Amazon plus I have prime (which to me is actually quite good as I use it often to watch prime shows/movies). But didn't Newegg have some controversy recently? Specifically with returns? Which honestly is another reason I like Amazon as their returns policy is seemingly really great from my perspective. Not saying all others are bad but can you blame me with sticking to what works?
I have a low threshold for stress. Building my first build PC was extremely stressful, even though every where I looked they said it was easier than it looked. It took me a long long time to get the confidence to finally buy and build. Amazon is just an extra thing I don't need to worry about.
@@gabeghiby6935 I'm an old guy, and I have also been building PCs since the early 90s. Remember Cyrix CPUs? As for the political angle you make reference to: I am all too aware of Amazon's woke cancer and leftist politics. No one is more against that garbage than I am. I buy from Amazon because their market presence is too strong to ignore when I actually have to live within my budget. And as much as I hate to say anything positive about Amazon, I find pricing on all types of products (including tech) is very competitive and their product return policies are generally consumer friendly. As for Newegg (and their predecessors): I also shop and buy from Newegg---including $1000 on this current build. I imagine every tech shopper does business with Newegg? But as GN recently highlighted, their business practices are far from angelic. Very far. I like the fact some consumers refuse to buy from Amazon, and will fight to defend their right to make that free-market decision. My own free-market purchasing decisions are no less important.
Phil laughing and losing it makes these videos so much better.
Really, I find his laugh unbearable
@@DescartesRenegade To each their own.
As someone that works as an Amazon customer service agent... When i see a market seller or a third party seller with those chinese names, i already know there will be an issue.
That 3080Ti reveal had me in stitches. Gave me all kinds of Crocodile Dundee vibes - that's not a 3080Ti, THIS is a 3080Ti XDDD
Thanks Jay! Pretty sure that this would qualify as a perfect "Public Service Announcement". Appreciate your dropping your cash to help warn others of this scam.
I cant imagine amazon is okay with this kind of thing. Their system should remove listings that contain win, random, and mystery.
Yes especially the keyword win, as in WINdows 11
😂😂
It is techinically allowed if they list all of the items that can be won. This one clearly doesn't.
Well they're okay with slavery so who knows?
why ? amazon is not responsible for the stupidness of people 🤣🤣 lottery or casino is also not illegal😂
Yea i would bet good money that somewhere in tiny font and in legalese on a terms and conditions page or user agreement when you signed in or checked the box that probably makes it so that they don't have to worry about it or think about it or even be adjacent to it and its all on you they are just fulfilling a service its up to you to choose something. Im sure there's also a clause pledging that your would and the souls of your kin shall be enslaved and devoured buy a cosmic eldritch horror who in turn provides them with continual wealth.
Dang Jay. That ad did so well it's on sale now. Can't wait to get my new 3090 for only $99.99!
"In all seriousness, I would contact Amazon and get their account banned for misleading customers"
I hope Jay talks about how there are basically no reputable computer parts vendors left anymore.
The sellers name is the red flag, there is so many of them now on Amazon I have got to the point where I will only buy from Amazon direct now.
Phil dying in the background always makes me die laughing, too!
Thanks for the heads up. Far too many people see something on Amazon and without reading much of the narrative, figure it is endorsed by or sold directly to them by Amazon.
9:08 When it floated in the air, that killed me😂😂
I feel the pain on those emails about winning a giveaway. People are just so hopeful that they ignore all the obvious signs it's a scam. That's what the scammers count on.
buy one and join the adventure🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
you never know what you might get quite literally Jay thought gt 710 and was still wrong don't you want to be wrong to?🤣🤣🤣
The "?" box that the mystery card ships in is smaller than any 30 series card. They never intended to ship a "good" card. No way Amazon would accept a pallet of different sized boxes for the same item. Without the intention of fulfilling the % stated, this is not just maybe a scam, but completely illegal in any lottery system.
I think this is the point where it is illegal and Amazon needs to take responsibility. They aided in the scam if it was clear that it was impossible that they had been shipped goods that were representative of the range of outcomes listed on their website. There has to be some duty of care. I also think this is clearly tantamount to gambling and the prevailing laws should apply too.
Ultimately this is the problem with globalization. There is no true legal jurisdiction so it is just a breeding ground for scammers and criminals, as effectively there are no consequences, so people are just going to give it a go. This was pretty obvious, but the amount of fake goods on Amazon is getting out of hand, it amounts to the same thing.
If its the same size packaging. Its the same item to them. Lol all crap. But regardless return can still be done even if the description say they wont. And amazon might be too big to care coz eating the cost
@@LilSaint001100 Right. Amazon doesn't care. But I was just saying that the 'company' selling the boxes never intended to ship a 3080 in one of those boxes. So there's no mystery.
@@sagetx bro forget a 3080 at 1080 even a 1050 TI would be something
@@davidgurarie6257 That would be something,considering you physically can't fit either of those cards (or ANY modern GPU) in a box of that size. Especially considering the depth of even a low profile single slot cooler is still larger than the depth of that box.
This is why I never buy from anything that is sold by random people. Mostly sold by Amazon and a very trusted 3rd party.
Here's the very sad part about Amazon, I've been a Prime member for over (25) years. Though I have never really lost any money on Amazon (scammed), they have a ton of 3rd party sellers using their site as a store front, and some of these 3rd party companies have very unsavory business practices. No matter how much trouble you had with an order, Amazon will simply NOT do anything to crack down on them, or ban them from doing business via Amazon. I suspect nothing changes for (2) reasons, (1) no matter who you speak to at amazon, you word is never going to make it to corporate, the real people in charge that make changes. (2) It's pure greed, Amazon is not going to bite the hand that feeds them. Unless I really know the 3rd party company, the only way I make purchases on Amazon is if...the product is listed as fulfilled and shipped by Amazon.
I'm glad you bought this simply because this is one of the more entertaining PC-related videos I've seen in a while. Had a great laugh.
Amazon has been on a downfall lately regarding this kind of stuff fr gotta keep an eye always
like any other shopping websites
I stopped buying electronics after I received a counterfeit PS4 controller, sold by “Sony”. Took it apart, posted pictures in my review of how it was obviously fake, and now none of my reviews show up anymore.
@@float32 like literally - no more electronics from anywhere else?
This has nothing to do with Amazon. Only with the stupidity of people.
@@thisemptyworm4677 oops. I meant from Amazon. Lol.
Plug in the scam card...and Jayz test-bench is now infected with advanced persistent threat-ware from the People's Liberation Army, Unit 61398. 😉
It's crazy that there are people out there who are so gullible to fall for these kinds of "mystery box" scams, that you even have to make this video to give warning in the first place.
It's been a rough day, I laughed out loud so many times in the last 15 minutes, from the Ford rear-end to each of Phils outbursts, I needed this. :)
I saw this on Amazon a couple of months ago and almost fell out of my chair laughing so hard. I didn't realize that people were actually buying it though.
Only people I can see buying these would be idiots who know nothing about computers or lack the common sense to realise the simplest of scams like this, or a RUclipsr like Jayz doing it for a video to expose the scam so those idiots don't fall for it but they still will cause they're not in his target audience to even watch the video.
It's not a scam because it accepts returns. You can see the return policy right on the product page. It can still be a waste of time.
@@lucian6172 Amazon's return policy does not negate it being a scam, it just means there's a potential avenue to beat the scammer if you're stupid enough to fall for it in the first place. The fact however remains that seller is still trying to scam people by tricking them into thinking they could/will get something that they could not possibly get. The seller is also explicitly stating in their product description that they do not accept returns or exchanges so they can prey on the stupidity of those that fall for their scam into thinking they cannot return it and thus increasing the chances they will get away with it.
@@lucian6172 it says they do not accept returns in the description
@@candacet8672 Learn how to read first. Return Policy: Eligible For Return, Refund Or Replacement. You can not call it a scam when you can clearly return it. It's just a waste of time.
How many times do you think this crossed the pacific (maybe even Atlantic). From fab, to new to sale, to recycle back to Asia (or africa) for someone to bulk buy 'recycled' electronics, to ship it back. Then to get tossed (or returned) to then be shipped again.
Phil laughing in the background always gets me
Radio Shack used to do that in the 90's and throw 30 year old unusable trash in the box. I bought one when I was a kid, my dad took it back to the store and reminded them a sales contract with a minor wasn't binding.
Thank you for this video. I see scams all the time, most of which I don't understand how people could fall for "insert scam here". This one helped me understand it a little bit. While hunting for a GPU in February 2022 I found an amazon listing similar to this. I was tempted, and I now understand how scams prey on peoples desperation.
Like you said, scams always target desperation. I just want to add, sometimes that's desperation for love, friendship, luck, career, etc. Not just a desperation for a GPU lol.
Easy to say "if it's too good to be true..." but a lot harder to say "what am I really looking for with this...". Some introspection never hurts.
I didn’t even realize Amazon would allow a “mystery box” that can come with random items
Discrete purchase sounds like one of those companies who buys up all the returns from Amazon and then re-packages the items and sells them as a crate surprise boxes.
Thank you for doing this! Its great to see that Social Media can help to some extent preventing shady business practices. 🌺
I just saw one of these mystery boxes the other day, me and my friend were looking at pc parts on amazon and i came across a listing for a graphics card mystery box, knew 100% its a scam, it was from FJBenz and i feel bad there were 11 reviews mad they got scammed
@@choppings54 from what is saw all the reviews said they were going to try refunding so i hope it worked out
I hope they all get denied. There needs to be consequences for stupid actions. Purchasing this is one of them.
@@darealmaul So if you walked into Walmart and bought something that turned out to be trash, do you think you shouldn’t get your money back because you didn’t do detailed research on the manufacturer first? No, you’d rightly expect Walmart to take full responsibility for what they sell. Unfortunately a lot of people think the same applies with Amazon There are no prominent warnings on their site of any kind that their policies literally allow fakes and knockoffs to be listed directly next to genuine goods, indeed I spent a week before Christmas trying to get listings for fake graphics cards removed that had been sponsored so they appeared at the top of the Amazon search list. I think that consumer protection legislation hasn’t caught up with Amazon and their equivalents yet, but i hope they do soon so this sort of nonsense is stopped.
I just went and searched "gpu mystery box" on amazon and I didn't immediately find one just for GPUs, but for only $34.99 you can get some random shit like a drone or a smart watch, gamepad, "digital computer", cameras, and more! basically a bunch of random electronics or accessories. I'll bet it's outdated smartphone cases from 5 years ago and other crap like that, knockoff electronics that don't cost squat, you get the picture. I doubt anyone gets the pictured gaming PC with buckets of RGB. There's a fake 5 star review, no details of what they received, only WOW so awesome! ordering more today! Then there's a bunch of reviews with photos of the random fake cheap crap they got
edit: annnnd i just found the listing you were talking about. 11 1 star reviews lol, defintely a scam. one guy bought 6 of them omfg these people are unstoppable lol
@@TheOriginalFaxon There is a reason why the saying "An idiot is born every minute" has been around for so long.
“It’s older than my oldest kid by 2 years” haha
Oh boy, this made me laugh so much. This is the type of videos I love.
Jayz cracks me up....perfect balance of keeping it informative and not boring
I agree Jay that Amazon does have an obligation as well in preventing unethical business practices on their platform. But consumers also have an obligation to realize, irrespective of how much they really want something to be true, that you can not get something for nothing. Even if this was a legitimate raffle (or "Adventure About Courage"}, the odds would be so astronomical of winning a $3000 GPU for $110 dollars that it should be obvious that something smells foul.
oh, the irony of the first reply here....
This scam is like the email scam talking about a nigerian prince that needs your help and will award you millions if you can spare him thousands lol
Technically speaking, it may not be a scam . They could sell 70 junk cards worth $0 for $7700. They could sell 16 cards that cost them $50 a piece with profit of $960. 8 cards could be gt1030/ rx 550 with no profit or loss. This leaves us with $8660 for two 30 series cards (which could be 3060 or 3050) and four 20 series cards (which could be 2060) . Doable .
I suspect it’s mostly kids that are falling for it
So what if someone creates something so convincing that even more aware people fall for it? So is it the fault of the consumer or the company hosting it on their service?
There is no way I would install that crap into any chassis. Even a shoe box would be insulted 😂
Well, to be fair, there's certainly risk in plugging a suspect device into a motherboard and powering it up.
" I'm hoping me buying this has stopped anyone else" honestly, if someone thought they had a chance of getting the 3090 jay getting that card probably make them think their chances of getting on have gone up lol
The reason the seller has a bunch of random stuff is because Amazon restricts new sellers based on category and so the seller was trying to get approved in certain categories.
I like how the box came with a question mark, maybe the Riddler is sending out secret messages?
I have caught u batman with my e waste cardsss.
Riddle me this
Let's keep it loose
Who the fuck tied
Mr. Epstein's noose?
@@spartacus778 that's old news dude. We all know he's alive too many secrets.
Should have been an exclamation mark
A riddler sticker would've held more value.
I just love Phil's laughter, it makes your videos fun to watch, and learn some things too, it's great
You were conned by JJ Abrams, with his Mystery Box. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The one good thing about it being shipped from Amazon is you can return it back to Amazon as "not as described"/defective and take it to your Whole Foods/Kohls and your refund is returned within hours.
Except it's neither of those things. He got a working graphics card as described.
@@bladactania no, he didn't. No modern OS has drivers for that card (well, linux MIGHT have drivers for it still), and is therefore unusable as a GPU.
@@bladactania You clearly didn't watch the video
@@bladactania Nope, he got an ATI card from 2007. Nowhere on that listing for the page does it mention ATI cards being a possibility.
@@bladactania I've been able to return items with less dings than that video card without a problem. Guarantee if he shows what shape that card is in Amazon won't hesitate.
For a comparison, I bought a HD 4670 for £35, or roughly $40 from eBay in 2009. That card is a year newer and three times faster than the 'thing' they sent out. We all knew it'd be bad, but no way did I think it'd be THAT bad.
Yeah, I would've expected them to throw out a bunch of GT 710 and HD 6450, which are already hillariously weak. I mean, a friend had a HD 6450 and don't even think about getting 30 fps in Fallout NV.
@@HappyBeezerStudios
I think I had that for an old AGP slot Pentium 3.
So you're saying that it was a pretty mediocre card even back in 2007?
Something like what a 6500 is today?
I kinda wish he bought all of them just to see what else they’d send lmao
Huge kudos to you for putting this out there so the rest of us don’t do something so stupid.
Seller only claims _the current-gen_ cards are _new._ Assume the _cheapest_ option (model + condition) is used _every time..._
2% == 1 in 50 are NVIDIA GeForce RTX *3050*
_or_
AMD Radeon RX *6500* (New: $200)
4% == 2 in 50 are NVIDIA GeForce RTX *2060*
_or_
AMD Radeon RX *5500* (Used: $160)
8% == 4 in 50 are NVIDIA GeForce GTX *1050*
_or_
AMD Radeon RX *550* (Used: $110)
16% == 8 in 50 are NVIDIA GeForce GTX *950*
_or_
AMD Radeon R5 *330* (Used: $16)
70% == 35 in 50 are *ATI* Radeon *HD ????* (Used: $10)
Money collected == $110 x 50 == $5,500
Money spent == ($200 x 1) + ($160 x 2) +
($110 x 4) + ($16 x 8) +
($10 x 35) == -($1,438)
*Profit **_(potential)_** == $4,062*
Amazon has gotten really sketchy these last few years
From around 3-4 years now... It's amazing how much weird generic Chinese stuff is getting there and being promoted or magically showing thousands of positive reviews, when the products are clearly bad... One thing i just can't stand and understand is when the vendors chnage the publication entirely and they are selling something totally unrelated to what's being discussed in the reviews... Last week i was looking for a headlamp and found one that seemed ok... The reviews were about some shoes
Yep, bought a Car radio with Android Auto/Apple Play for like $110 off amazon which had really good reviews, when I got the radio it was nothing like the reviews, it was junk and falling apart, so I wrote a bad review. Within 24 hours the seller contacted me offering me a full refund, in exchange for me changing my review to 5 stars for them (Explains why the radio had great reviews). I told them to stuff it, and kept my bad review, so tired of paid reviews on amazon.
Because Chinese making account with fake ids and no one taking action against them
I got scammed for 179.99 by Chinese wender but Amazon didt do anything
No return nothing
Amazon has gotten really sketchy these past few years.... and so has Bezos.
Amazon is nothing more than a glorified ebay at this point
I used to get a kick out of buying the stuff Facebook advertised just to see what I would actually get. It was all cheap no name crap, but it did make for a few good laughs.
Please do a follow-up video on what Amazon had to say!
Lol when Jay said he thought it was a GT 710, I was thinking to myself, "oh no it isn't, it's much, much worse"
There are also counterfeit products being sold on Amazon too. Point is, read reviews at the bottom.
Look for images of the product package to verify authenticity. Also some websites have authentication methods, Stickers barcodes etc
*And Always record package openings, Always*
Can't even trust the reviews on Amazon now days, to many fake ones.
Reviews on Amazon are censored. I bought a new battery to fit my mobile phone a few years back, marked by Amazon as an authentic manufacturers battery. It was sold by Amazon not a third party trader and it was a fake. It works OK, and lasts nearly as long as a genuine one, but it was a cheap Chinese clone and twice the price of the other cheap Chinese clones. I left a review stating all of this and it was deleted within 24 hours. I managed to get it put back by complaining, but it left me wondering how many other reviews are deleted, and how many other people argue about it to get them put back, as I did. I have no figures but I am very wary of Amazon's review system now.
As someone who buys cards on TCGPlayer... that last line is 100% accurate. Been saved on a number of occasions when I had proof that I could send to their CS.
Sad thing is, even the counterfeit products have thousands of "good reviews" I just bought Sig Saur a red dot that was counterfeit ( albeit a really good one) but I knew what to look for.
Thankfully i recorded the package opening and got ahold of Amazon support instantly so they could issue the seller a return request.
Moral is, always google the product you're buying and see if there are fakes, and know what to look for!
ran into this last year when my wife needed a webcam. Bought a Logitech from amazon. Shipped and Sold by amazon. Box was good and sealed. product inside was not logitech. Had none of the described functions and the cord was half the length. returned that one and ended up buying one directly from the logitech website.
I've personally reached out to Amazon Support to have them also dig deeper. After my personal inspection on this I have found the seller has 2 listings for the same "game" as to Amazon's seller policies this is considered in my book "manipulating sales ranks" as one is higher than the other in listings. I've also reported it for providing false and inaccurate information. Upon my investigation they are also looking at these already upon looks at the feedback section of the seller's page on amazon.
WHAT I HATE about Amazonb is the fact that a TON OF PRODUCTS send a card with the item you buy stating "HEY, IF YOU GIVE US 5 STARS WE WILL SEND YOU A SECOND ONE/ACCESSORY/ETC ETC.....'
So you have A TON on AMZON that are GARBAGE PRODUCTS that have hundreds or thousands of 5 STARS that should have 3 or below....In my mind it SHOULD BE ILLEGAL TO DO SO.
Amazon is aware of this but doesnt wanna put the effort in to enforce against this....All types do it but it is really bad with cheap chinease junk who do this.
After seeing this, went to Amazon to look for these scam boxes, one of them had 11 reviews, all negative of course.
Some people are really, really naive.
Ive seen some iPhone unboxing videos where they say they get the phone at an amazing unbelievable price. It's always a scam.
I have written reviews on these telling people they are scams. Never bought one, but it is so obvious to stay away.
Unfortunately, reporting these scam boxes to Amazon itself takes quite some gymnastics too.
12:12 the wtf moment lmao 🤣🤣🤣
The true sad part is that Jay is continuously having to make content like this because people are becoming more and more "Gullible" to put it nicely.
Common Sense is not so common anymore
Sadly ‘loot boxes’ have been completely normalised, There are plenty of big brand retailers who do mystery boxes and plenty of influencers who do mystery box openings to millions of their followers every week. Just because we’re watching this channel means we’re probably savvy enough to recognise this as a scam, but I think the vast majority of the public wouldn’t, especially as it’s being offered via Amazon Prime.
Wouldn't be so hard on "people". The scams are getting trickier and often look legit, and also there's always new people coming in to PC building who don't have experience to judge these scams, either because they're too young or because they don't know much about tech and the market.
Common sense is relative. What is “common sense” to you maybe something completely new to someone else. Because common sense is “learned” or “taught.”
There are so many scams, people shouldn't have to be aware and awake 24/7 to not fall for them. Mistakes happen and some scams are very intricate.
There is a RUclips channel who finds out about scammers (usually phone scammers) and helps their victims, tries to shut them down etc and he fell for a email scam and temporarily lost his RUclips channel. It happens to the literal best of us.
@@btCharlie_ Nothing about loot boxes look legit. Anyone should be able to apply the common sense of "if I don't actually know what I'm purchasing, I'm very likely going to be ripped off."
The old saying "If it sounds too good to be true, it is" is universal truism.
RNGG goes dumpster diving at a place that auctions off liquidated stuff by the pallet. The pallets you bid on are mystery boxes, too. All the good stuff is arrainged on the outside of the stack and plastic wrapped in place. The inside can be just a box full of sawdust, metal shavings, trash, cats, etc.
Correcting "more better" with "betterer": Pure brilliance.
The "oh no" that came out of my mouth when you showed the bubble envelope got me laughing
I feel like the mystery box scam is a way to pawn off E-Waste. That card looks like something you would find at TRW for $10 in a bin with 30 others!
That is my thought as well. They probably run an Electronics Waste disposal business and are taking everybody's trash and found a way to make money off of it.
no, that card look way more like " phew i really need to clean up that old junk i hoarded for 15years with some crap my uncle gave me" and you come to the bottom of it and find THIS the ever first Video Card you uncle bought in his mit 20s while he still tried to be the cool smoking guy
@@ItsNightmar3 wow that was hard to read
Yep I thought the same. It was way too crusty for it NOT to be e-waste.
@@J_Caban yea sorry, my english is a bit rusty. thanks to corona and nearly no outside social connections for over 2 years :x
Throws it around for 5 minutes...."SO let's boot this up and see if it works"
cheers for taking one for the team mate
Another thing about those mystery boxes is that in many countries you have to tell customs what the package you ordered contains, and that can be difficult when even you don't know it.
Seller writes the customs form, including what it contains- mostly it is just stated 'pc parts' or something general, nobody and it is not mandatory to write that package has an RTX 3080 GPU inside(because then there is a 99% chance that this package will disappear in some shipping stage) also buyer doesn't need to prove it, if there is some customs duty, buyer just need to pay 'x amount', to clear the customs and get the package, at least in EU. Seller is responsible for customs form information.
I mean, the two USB card readers I bought were declared as "replacement parts"
I guess to avoid import tax or something like that. But if customs doesn't check what is in the package, which they obliviously can't do for every single thing send to a private person, there is no way for them to confirm that inside is what is written outside.
Thanks for doing this. Not always but when a big RUclipsr like you does this and exposes these scams it makes companies change their polices or gets them to start looking for this crap and getting it off their platforms.
Hell, with Amazon, you could probably return it in used rags and still get a full refund. That would be the ultimate smack in their face.
"I know many of you can't "
Are you calling me poor sir?!
Thank you for having fun with this so we can all enjoy it with you 😂
Watched this twice now. SUCH a good video, very educational, VERY entertaining, great stuff Jay and Phil.
What disturbs me is the fact that there are ppl out there buying this shit and hoping to get value out of it...
Anyone who fall for this deserves every bit of it.
Thanks Jay, I really appreciate the direction taken here being super consumer focused. "General misleading of the public" it's about time to take a deep investigative dive into what's being called the Nvidia 2020 Scam of the 3000 RTX series. Announcing very competitive prices for founders addition at MSRP that built up unprecedented demand through their influencers and other avenues knowing they could only practically move a fraction themselves in the situation at the time. Then everyone had to go buy insanely inflated partner boards or whatever else they could get their hands on. Blaming it on scalpers...All while posting record profits.
Technically speaking it's fraud and wire fraud but when Amazon does it through third-party they avoid liability
Except how do you prove fraud?
@@bladactania Without taking them to court it would be impossible. But supposing they were based in a country with laws protecting consumers, they could be forced to show proof that they actually send out all the parts they list. I know that sounds like guilty until proven innocent, but it's not. They are not assumed guilty, but they would have to show some evidence that they actually send out these higher value parts.
It's like if you deposit tons of money in cash into a bank, the courts can then ask you to show where you got the money from. So sometimes the burden of proof is on the accused. For other crimes, like petty theft, the burden is on the accuser, but in some cases that is not feasible.
I am not a lawyer, I may be completely wrong and I am almost certainly incorrect in the details but that is MY 2 cents XD.
@@no_nameyouknow You are wrong. They CHOOSE to prove they actually send out whatever products so that they can keep the burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt. At that point, they can't lose. They don't HAVE to demonstrate anything, but not doing so makes it so much easier to say that it is reasonable to believe them to be guilty.
Amazon makes most of their money from prime subscriptions and are close to break even on regular sales. They'll have to handle a lot of returns here and will lose money if they cant recoup from the vendor. The problem is just a lack of policing.
@@sev2100 Amazon makes most of their money from AWS. They literally own much of the internet and only run Amazon marketplace, almost at a loss, as a way to own people's lives and dependency for data mining.
anyone who actually purchased this item, deserved to be scammed. so many red flags.
The fact Amazon is complicit in this the worst part.
I’m just sitting here trying to figure out what knife Jay was playing with the whole time lol.
Phil is honestly the best thing that ever happened to this channel. The random outbursts always get me