5:18 great to point out that auto on/off start is reset and default to “on” every time you turn on the car even if you disable it. Very good review to point out such a major detail!!
Who’s idea was it to not have the XT available for the SPORT trim? Sport should mean performance enhancements on the car. The touring model has the more powerful engine, TOURING.
The funny thing is, most manufacturers already do this. Honda Accord for example, didn’t offer a Sport trim on the bigger faster motor until 2019. Most Sport trims are meant to entice someone who doesn’t care about the power, or is more interested in the economy. They leave the glorious “Touring” trim, of some sort for the high end motors as an upgrade.
noah leven Right?! At least option the blacked out grill and wheels for the turbo. Who the hell wants chrome grills! (Also, in Canada, it’s the GT again!)
Totally right. Why doesn't Subaru at least offer the regular gas 2.4 turbo as an option on the 'SPORT' model? Offer the Standard Sport version, which they now offer with it's cute 'sport' upgrades which mean exterior paint and interior accent colors. Subaru could market the true, high-performance Sport XT version with the engine to make a real sport model. People would have a choice, they could buy the cute looking sport model with base/average performance or spend more to get a true sport model with performance to match.
You can't just go WOT with the CVT, doing so is SLOWER than a nice smooth push downward, when starting from a stop. Go back and retry your 0-60 runs, with a nice controlled push down, as opposed to stomping it to the floor. It makes a world of difference.
I'm glad to see Subaru is offering a turbo, but I would rather have one in my 2019 Crosstrek. I need the ground clearance in the winter where I am driving in 6 to 12 plus inches of snow here in the "Snow Belt" south of Buffalo,NY.
Jeremiah Jorenby Yeah... all you really need are 3” strut spacers and some bolt-on parts from the Outback. Of course then you’re stuck with an ugly Outback sedan.
The 2020 Outback has the Onyx XT turbo as an option. Same engine as the Ascent (and, I believe the turbo 2020 Legacy) in a vehicle with a lower curb weight and the same ground clearance as the Forester and Crosstrek. Too bad it’s has the same butt fugly station wagon appearance that the Outback is known for.
Great review. Really wish they would add a menu option to turn OFF the fake shifting of the CVT. So far on my 2018 Touring Outback I have only used my paddle shifters to downshift when going down hill, engine braking. Seems like this should be a simple software update.
Richard Burguillos there’s no such thing as fake shifting, if it is shifting then it is shifting meaning it is changing the ratio only not using different gears. People...!
You should not review cvt cars if you don’t understand it. There is no such thing as fake shifting. If it sounds like shifting that’s because it is shifting, meaning changing the ratio, only not using using different gears but by pulley system, the new system.
I use the shifters for engine braking during road trips to the mountains... They are very useful for regulating engine braking on the long and steep hill descents. Subaru might be able to fit both a battery and a spare tire into a Legacy & Outback PHEV. This would make a selling point for me. I wish there was a Subaru with sliding doors for the Japanese market. I need more usability for camping and would like to avoid buying Honda StepWGN AWD. ;)
Looks great and so glad you guys drove the XT in gray. Definitely the one I'm looking at. Now just add 2017 STi BBS wheels with some great tires and this would be perfect! Great review and can't wait to drive it:)
JPackard... yeah I'm not sure either. Must be cheaper to make but the stock wheels are too narrow and very bland. But, like I said, with a few changes this could stand out more than it does.
I agree with you. I love the looks of the Legacy, but we get 4-5 feet of snow every winter. We will replace my Rav with a Forester Touring when the time comes. We Love my wife’s Outback, however.
I like that car. I currently have a 2.5 legacy station wagon which I love, but must acknowledge the subsequent development to 2020 seems to have advanced this vehicle considerably.
I ordered mine and should ship by late March. My only gripe is also the tablet touch screen. I would prefer smaller screen and analog type controls for heat/AC. Also would have preferred to have manual transmission. Still stoked to put it on the road and in my garage.
Tablets are a terrible idea for the reason that you have to look away from driving, to do anything. They might be fine on a Tesla that's driving itself, but for other cars it's distracted drivers.
When Subaru introduced the Ascent last year I wondered whether there would still be a place for the Outback in their lineup. With the Forester growing ever larger and the Ascent crowding the Outback from above it seemed to me the Outback faced an uncertain future. In reality I think the Outback is a far better application of Subaru's turbo four cylinder engine than the Ascent.
I have an old outback 2008 2.5 173 hp. Great and pratic car. Easy to use. But, honestly, without turbo it is a slow car. Otherwise: it is a perfect 4x4 car, better than audi quattro or bmw xdrive and mercedes 4matic.
My family has had 5 subarus. I don't get why people act confused at the inclusion of the paddle shifters. It's actually fun and useful to be able to switch to "paddle manual" on the fly while driving, if you want to keep your rpms high (to get up a hill, to pass a bicyclist or slow car on backroads, to launch out of a stoplight, etc). You simply cannot do this well in automatic mode, as the CVT computer is singularly focused on trying to keep rpms under 1.5 to 2K for fuel efficiency. I would recommend actually trying them before you trash talk them!
Yes, the mouth at the steering wheel should relegate himself to critiquing only Turbo boosted engine cars. The Subaru 2.5 L aspirated engine is a mild driving experience that serves the purpose of transportation with some increased fuel economy.
More than a decade ago I could've gotten one of the most badass, underated family sedans in the Legacy GT. Now we get 0-60 in 8 or 11 seconds. This is a crime
Great review guys!! I was under the impression that the new 2020 turbo (XT) would be more exciting though! Kind of like the legacy version of the WRX and STI. I have an Impreza now and was looking to upgrade to this; perhaps I'll get the 2019 legacy.
Nice! I’m getting the touring XT and adding a few options such as tinted windows, wireless charger, the led light on the mirror and interior illumination kit
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Subaru is kikin butt again...and I luv the safety features, and big screen..the seats and leather all around looks awesome. I am glad the Legacy sedan is now on par in looks and space with te other top dogs.
Couldn't be happier with my 2022 XT Touring 2.4. This car exceeded my expectations. Might be plain looking, but in terms of comfort and what it can do I am totally satisfied. I find you can still have fun in this car even with CVT
I would have been a Subaru Forester buyer, I just wish Subaru had waited a year and put the XT Turbo Touring option and this updated interior in the Forester. I hate the fact that Subaru had the regular gas XT engine already in the Ascent, but everyone says that they choose to skip the Forester and put it in the Legacy and Outback only. For us, this lack of engine option and the shuttering start/stop system were real deal-stoppers.
Audi: creates a redesigned car that doesn’t look any different then the previous model People: “very well done!! beautiful!! very modern!!” Subaru: creates a redesigned car that doesn’t look any different then the previous model People: “wow plain. terrible. could’ve used a new design.” Not directed at this channel but I’ve seen this happen around the internet.
Spencer Mclaughlan Simple: Audi started off with an exciting, fun look that remains exciting and fun, while Subaru started off with a plain box look and decided to keep it.
I have a 2016 legacy premium and use the paddle shifters in the snow to get into a theoretical lower gear to help engine braking and it does work. CVTs tend to coast more than a traditional automatic so in the snow those paddles do help quite a bit. That is the only thing they are good for in my opinion.
I personally am not a subaru fan boy or anything. I will say after doing PDIs on many Outback XT and Legacy XT they are nice little cars. Especially for being still extremely practical for the family. Also the extra few inches of leg room that has been added makes a huge difference from sitting in the 2019 to 2020 models. I'm interested to see what issues and quirks they have as time goes on since this is a new generation for the legacy.
I recently traded in my 2016 Legacy 2.5i limited for a new car. I loved that car except it was drinking oil like I drink soda. The only thing that really bugged me was the process of lowering the rear seats. Pulling a trigger in the trunk, then reaching in to push the seats down is fine when there is no rain or no snow on the rear bumper. Just put the seatback releases on the top of the rear seats and redundant releases in the trunk.
It's really not. The problem is the lack of torque on this engine. If they did a turbo diesel and the same high torque cvt in the xt I bet they could get 30 city out of it and 40 highway but because it's a diesel it would have relatively usable amounts of torque.
C'mon, Ryan. No manual transmission available "yet"? Didn't you just tell us that Subaru sold five (!) MT's the last time they offered it in the Legacy? That's not just a minuscule five percent take rate; it's an astounding five vehicles. If true, any Subaru product planner who suggested an MT would justifiably be clearing out his desk by the end of the week and probably headed to the funny farm with the bill paid by Subaru. And yes, there's the obligatory negative comments about the CVT. I'm no fan either but it's worth noting that all CVT's aren't created equal and some manufacturers have significantly improved their their CVT's behavior in the last decade. So much so that reviewers who want to punch their tickets as "enthusiasts" routinely couple their complaints about a CVT with grudging qualifications to the effect that this particular CVT ain't so bad. So what are the benefits of the CVT? An AWD vehicle a 260 HP/277 ft lbs of torque that gets 24/32/27 mpgs! That's one mpg better on each of the three metrics than the Mazda6 with a 2.5L turbo with FWD. And the Subaru, unlike the Mazda, recommends regular gas to obtain its power numbers. The Subaru enjoys a similar advantage over both the FWD Accord 2.0L turbo and the Camry V6. Pretty damn impressive. Is the Legacy a sport sedan? Of course not. Those looking for a $30K sport sedan would be better off considering a smaller, lighter VW GLI. The Legacy is a midsize family sedan. In its XT trim it's as quick or quicker than three major rivals (Accord 2.0L turbo, Mazda 6 turbo, and Camry V6) with interior appointments that compare favorably to those of the top others' top trims and AWD. Legacy owners no longer have to make excuses for its cheap interior or sluggish performance, or mediocre fuel efficiency. Last year I looked seriously at the Accord, Mazda6, and the Camry. I didn't even bother considering the Legacy. If I were shopping again, the Legacy would definitely be in the mix.
@Mike Burrows _ If you want apples to taste like oranges or vice versa, it is inevitable to suggest one o9f them. I am not making a comparison I am making a suggestion. Stop reading like you are cross eyed or something.
When people say this or that one thing in an otherwise great car is a "deal-breaker", you can be pretty confident they would never have bought the car anyway.
Is the XT out yet? I have looked on local Subaru dealers websites and they are non existent! I want to test drive one to make sure its the one! I am totally sold at all its features and looks but still need to get behind the wheel for a final deciding factor.
Why would you want a car with an engine that has not been updated in over 23 years (yes the EJ25 is 23 years old!)?! 305 hp was cool in 2005 but today that is a joke for a "sporty car" I owned a 2015 STI launch edition for 6 weeks, sold it as it was trash. I guess my problem is I am used to much better cars, I wanted to like it but the turbo lag and interior of a $20k car...I couldn't.
Paddle shifters are not useless in a CVT! You can use them to brake quicker, and when you want to pass someone you can "downshift" which will give you more power, instead of the CVT hesitating. Like some other's said, you cant floor a car with a CVT it will hesitate. You have to ease the accelerator at first. CVT's were designed and programmed for fuel economy, would be nice if Subaru offered other options for transmissions.
You should do all your 0-60 test the same, so we can compare against other makes. You pre- loaded the turbo legacy but not the Toyota awd Camry. We want consistency in testing.
Great review! Love the detail! I’m looking to upgrade my car and I am wondering if it is worth it to get the legacy touring Xt or wait to see if they refresh the wrx this year to see what that has to offer.
I have a 2015 Legacy & 2021 Outback. The physical buttons in the ‘15 are superior. I can jump in the ‘15 and instantly set the temp, fan and heated seats. I can’t in the 2021. Super frustrating. Super annoying. I won’t replace the ‘15 with this unless they change it.
I like the Legacy, but where we live, we have to have the ground clearance. Our Outback is awesome in our yearly snow pack and I’ll be needing to replace my Rav 4WD Limited in a year or so. If the Legacy had more ground clearance, I would buy it. But I’ll replace my Rav with a Forester Touring when the time comes.
Don't know, but it sure is nice especially with the escalating prices of fuel now days. Picked up a 2022 Legacy XT Touring last week and will honestly say it's one of the best cars that I have ever driven/owned. I know a lot of people despise CVT, but the one in the 2022 performs so well. They really have come a long way
Eh. I’m not sold on the xt. Was gonna get rid of my 2015 2.5 for the xt but this looks way slower than my GT. Was hoping it would be quick and comfortable. Love the interior but the lack of performance might be a deal breaker. 0-60 in 8 secs. That’s pretty bad. My gt does it in under 5 and that isn’t quick enough.
By Subaru making Eye Sight standard across the line, they have ruled out making a standard transmission available. A couple years ago I was told by a Subaru representative that was the goal for all cars except the WRX and BRZ. Eye Sight includes adaptive cruise control and that is not compatible with a standard transmission. By making fake shifts the only option when going full throttle, they have made the car slower.. The only "cool" thing about a CVT is that it is the only type of transmission which can maintain peak power indefinitely. Fake fear changes eliminate the ability to maintain peak power, so they make CVT's slower than they should be. I had a 2016 Forester XT with the CVT which wasn't programmed that way. I will never buy another vehicle with a CVT, so until I have no need to transport anyone in the back seat, I am done with Subaru.
David Santora yep because safety systems like eyesight have to adjust and take control over the transmission to help slow the vehicle down to prevent a crash or adjust speed for adaptive cruise control which a manual can’t do.
@@ivan72087 it will be a sad day when systems like Eye Sight are mandated by the Federal Government. No more manuals once that happens. If I didn't already have a "just for fiun" vehicle, Icwould buy a Veloster N. They are only available with a six speed manual transmission and are getting great reviews.
You can literally hear the CVT keeping the engine at constant rpm while they're trying to do 0-60. Which side note, they did it wrong since flooring a CVT from a stop isn't as fast as gradually stepping on the gas. Otherwise yea sure you got the point I guess
Great review but I think you misstated the maximum torque split front and rear. The default split is 55/45 but I’m pretty sure (as has been the case in Subaru’s AWD for years) that much more can shift front to rear depending on where the system is detecting slippage.
Thanks! At 20:04 I specify 55/45 torque split. It will never exceed 45 to the back, but can do up to 90% to the front IIRC. Did I misstate it somewhere else in the review? -RD
Driving Sports TV you correctly stated the 55/45 split, you incorrectly (at least as a fanboy, I believe) added that that is the MAXIMUM split, which as you probably know the system can push much more to either axle depending on the conditions. Just a word mixup.
Driving Sports TV The Subaru CVT-based system can certainly send much more than 45% of power to the rear, though Subaru is a bit quiet on how much exactly it is. The various answers I’ve heard range from 60% to 90+%, if the fronts slip. However, as I understand the multi-plate clutch system, the best it can do is lock up the differential and that will only give you 50/50.
Tpolerex that article provides very little information on all 4 systems, provides no explanations and provides no sources for their statements. In journalism that’s called “fluff.”
Thank you for the video & reviewing this new model. I’m kind of skeptical on the Legacy as a new car. I was waiting for the new 2020 Legacy, to see if it’s comfortable and safe with new look. Not sure about if it’s comfortable because my experience with 2017 Legacy seats has been very bad. The look is no new and still looking outdated and not sporty or aggressive. The new infotainment system still new, looks interesting to me but again, not sure what kind of problems and/or issues will be expecting from this.
Saad N., I think the driver's seat in the models Limited and up have a pull-out thigh extension to provide more support for your legs in the bottom cushion. This review did not show that feature. I find that far too many of the new vehicles have uncomfortable seats. Test driving for more than just a short time becomes absolutely necessary. I can't think of anything worse than buying a car with an uncomfortable driver's seat.
The XT seems too boring without the hoodscoop or a 6-speed manual transmission. My 3.6R has been incredibly reliable but this isn't making me want to switch anytime soon.
@@afcgeo882... You're probably right...a hood scoop is not worthy of such a blah/bland car...car needs more spice to have a hood scoop bestowed upon it
@@K03sport The GT's circa 2011 had the hoodscoop, a 6spd manual , and different rims all together. These new ones just seem blah. Nothing really stands out.
I hear that the automatic engine start/stop on this car is the worst. Lots of harsh vibration and lag at restart. And the disable function is buried in the on-screen menu. No thanks.
I wonder what the hit is on regular fuel? You pay for it dearly sometimes in acceleration and/or gas mileage. No one talks about that. Also, to do simple things sweeping around that massive screen is going to be a huge pain while driving - why they do all those things while stopped. Basically, you set things and you go - no changing while driving (maybe the temperature and the station, that is about it). That 0-60 is painfully slow on the non-turbo engine, it won't work in CT with the short ramps onto the Merritt Parkway. The turbo is acceptable.
you really need to stall it up against the torque converter to build boost(at least 8psi), I can do AWD burnouts in my 2010 Forester XT with this technique
@@drivingsports Yup! the 4EAT is an awesome trans, currently have 243k on mine in my forester.......change the fluid every 30k and you're good to go........and subaru still uses a torque converter in their CVT unlike some others that use a DCT-like coupling
I buy subarus for one main reason. DEPENDABILITY...i have always gotten grest service out of my subarus. I just hope that Subaru will shelve the 2.0. It is just ok weak. The 2.5 is a great engine, and it is just as economical as a 2.0.
no hood scoop may be 'better' for aerodynamics, but a hood scoop separates you from your plebeian, regular car. I am one of those gravitating to the WRX and have finally chosen it to be the replacement for my 04 GTI. here's to many miles of happy shifting #savethemanuals. Now, what petition do I need to sign to bring the LeVorg 2.0t 6spd to North America? Auto Start/stop AND CVTs are going to kill the auto industry and then ppl are going to wonder why no one is buying cars as predicted....
Consider Ryan's comment that the last time Subaru offered a manual transmission Legacy they sold five! Not five percent. Five vehicles. CVT's and start/stop systems aren't part of a nefarious scheme to "kill the auto industry." Along with hybrids and EV's they're measures designed to reduce reliance on fossil fuels. Get used to it.
@@stephenhendricks103... Because that manual legacy was a dud; the mid 2000s gt/spec b was not). You are right, st/st tech and cvts won't kill the industry because auto manufacturers won't give consumers a choice, so it's that or nothing (or a motorcycle) and the consumer will be forced to accept it for a new car (I hate tpms even though it is passive system). And when electric vehicles take center stage, there will be no transmission per say. Just because something is new and there is no other choice, doesn't mean we have to like it.
@@K03sport The last years of the manual Legacy it was available on the base only version of the Legacy 2.5i meaning you could not get the cold weather package with the manual and were forced to have steel wheels with hub caps, non painted door handles and mirrors, etc. which made it a deal breaker.
I'm short of 90 years old by quite a bit but I always had at least one MT vehicle in my garage for my first 40+ years of driving. In 2013 I went with a DSG GTI and I've never looked back. :)
@@Hallowsaw That is not true. Why will you blow it? If it is very hot, you will be warned in the dashboard and will have time to stop. It is designed to make downshifts without any problem.
I hope you're trolling, because if you can't even tell that it's simply the ac releasing water (which is what all ac units on all the cars ever do) than I don't even know how you posses this "knowledge" of all Subarus leaking
To be fair to the turbo... Subarus CVT doesn't like being 'preloaded' or floored from 0, turbo or not; It bogs and falls on it's face. Get it rolling to 5-10 ish then floor it and it will do what it's supposed to. I would rather take the EPA hit and get better tires, but we know why they're doing it.
I believe I've seen other reviews show the base engine can do 0-60 9 to 10 seconds.. 11, seems slow, even for this car. we have the 2018, I;ll try to do the test myself and see what I get.. 2018 model didn't lag in leg room... there's tons of rooom back there. No need to add any space back there... better to have been only for the trunk or left the size as it was.
@@drivingsports the 8 seconds, even with two big guys, seems slow for a turbo with that much torque.. did you do multiple runs to get an average or consistency ? Also, personally, I prefer seeing the 45-65 or 50-70 test some companies do, as that's more important for passing power, and not 0-60. some cars have better mid range and that's more practical/useful test result. the 2.5L non turbo in the legacy, though as slower 0-60 than a few of it's competitors, it had .1 to .2 seconds better 50-70mpg test.. so it's the better passing power vehicle... many tubros are great 0-60, but when up to 60mph range they lose some power.. and v-6's beat them in this passing power test range... .. if possible, add the 50-70 tests :-)
What they should do with CVTs is, instead of them fake gear pedals, have a lever of some sort. More granularity in torque control, but nooooo we can't have the full capabilities of CVTs.
5:18 great to point out that auto on/off start is reset and default to “on” every time you turn on the car even if you disable it. Very good review to point out such a major detail!!
Minsoo Kim that would drive me nuts. No way.
A quiet cabin, check. All wheel drive, check. Turn off the auto on/off, arggggh. Why oh why.
couldn't agree more!
That's the main reason why I went with the 2020 nissan altima sl AWD no start stop.
I got 2019 Outback 3.6R and I'm happy without that gimmick on/off thing. Nice channel by the way @@TheShootersBay
Who’s idea was it to not have the XT available for the SPORT trim? Sport should mean performance enhancements on the car. The touring model has the more powerful engine, TOURING.
noah leven totally agree!
The funny thing is, most manufacturers already do this. Honda Accord for example, didn’t offer a Sport trim on the bigger faster motor until 2019. Most Sport trims are meant to entice someone who doesn’t care about the power, or is more interested in the economy. They leave the glorious “Touring” trim, of some sort for the high end motors as an upgrade.
Zstray17 At least Honda offered a 6Spd Manual🤷🏽♂️
noah leven Right?! At least option the blacked out grill and wheels for the turbo. Who the hell wants chrome grills!
(Also, in Canada, it’s the GT again!)
Totally right. Why doesn't Subaru at least offer the regular gas 2.4 turbo as an option on the 'SPORT' model? Offer the Standard Sport version, which they now offer with it's cute 'sport' upgrades which mean exterior paint and interior accent colors. Subaru could market the true, high-performance Sport XT version with the engine to make a real sport model. People would have a choice, they could buy the cute looking sport model with base/average performance or spend more to get a true sport model with performance to match.
You can't just go WOT with the CVT, doing so is SLOWER than a nice smooth push downward, when starting from a stop. Go back and retry your 0-60 runs, with a nice controlled push down, as opposed to stomping it to the floor. It makes a world of difference.
@sysdocray _ Especially with the Turbo engine. A gradual push halfway at first and quickly floor second half when the Torque kicks in.
I'm glad to see Subaru is offering a turbo, but I would rather have one in my 2019 Crosstrek. I need the ground clearance in the winter where I am driving in 6 to 12 plus inches of snow here in the "Snow Belt" south of Buffalo,NY.
wizeguiz So... put one in.
they make lift kits for the legacy, so not a big deal..........and I think you meant the *salt* belt
Jeremiah Jorenby Yeah... all you really need are 3” strut spacers and some bolt-on parts from the Outback. Of course then you’re stuck with an ugly Outback sedan.
The 2020 Outback has the Onyx XT turbo as an option. Same engine as the Ascent (and, I believe the turbo 2020 Legacy) in a vehicle with a lower curb weight and the same ground clearance as the Forester and Crosstrek. Too bad it’s has the same butt fugly station wagon appearance that the Outback is known for.
Get the outback. It has the same ground clearance as a crosstrek but you can get it with the turbo.
Great review. Really wish they would add a menu option to turn OFF the fake shifting of the CVT. So far on my 2018 Touring Outback I have only used my paddle shifters to downshift when going down hill, engine braking. Seems like this should be a simple software update.
Richard Burguillos there’s no such thing as fake shifting, if it is shifting then it is shifting meaning it is changing the ratio only not using different gears. People...!
You should not review cvt cars if you don’t understand it. There is no such thing as fake shifting. If it sounds like shifting that’s because it is shifting, meaning changing the ratio, only not using using different gears but by pulley system, the new system.
I use the shifters for engine braking during road trips to the mountains... They are very useful for regulating engine braking on the long and steep hill descents.
Subaru might be able to fit both a battery and a spare tire into a Legacy & Outback PHEV. This would make a selling point for me.
I wish there was a Subaru with sliding doors for the Japanese market. I need more usability for camping and would like to avoid buying Honda StepWGN AWD. ;)
Looks great and so glad you guys drove the XT in gray. Definitely the one I'm looking at. Now just add 2017 STi BBS wheels with some great tires and this would be perfect! Great review and can't wait to drive it:)
JPackard... yeah I'm not sure either. Must be cheaper to make but the stock wheels are too narrow and very bland. But, like I said, with a few changes this could stand out more than it does.
Such a great car. I'm in love with my 2015 but this is a nice upgrade. I love every sport trim Subaru puts out. Next time I'm going for the forester
I agree with you. I love the looks of the Legacy, but we get 4-5 feet of snow every winter.
We will replace my Rav with a Forester Touring when the time comes. We Love my wife’s Outback, however.
I like that car. I currently have a 2.5 legacy station wagon which I love, but must acknowledge the subsequent development to 2020 seems to have advanced this vehicle considerably.
Check out the new Outback. It’s the same as the Legacy with more room.
We LOVE our Outback.
I ordered mine and should ship by late March. My only gripe is also the tablet touch screen. I would prefer smaller screen and analog type controls for heat/AC. Also would have preferred to have manual transmission. Still stoked to put it on the road and in my garage.
Tablets are a terrible idea for the reason that you have to look away from driving, to do anything. They might be fine on a Tesla that's driving itself, but for other cars it's distracted drivers.
I'd rather take an OutbackXT Onyx it's the same vehicle essentially but I get Wagon space and practicality.
When Subaru introduced the Ascent last year I wondered whether there would still be a place for the Outback in their lineup. With the Forester growing ever larger and the Ascent crowding the Outback from above it seemed to me the Outback faced an uncertain future. In reality I think the Outback is a far better application of Subaru's turbo four cylinder engine than the Ascent.
@@stephenhendricks103 I agree. It's way lighter and still relatively practical. Just dont have 3-5 kids
I have an old outback 2008 2.5 173 hp. Great and pratic car. Easy to use. But, honestly, without turbo it is a slow car. Otherwise: it is a perfect 4x4 car, better than audi quattro or bmw xdrive and mercedes 4matic.
My family has had 5 subarus. I don't get why people act confused at the inclusion of the paddle shifters. It's actually fun and useful to be able to switch to "paddle manual" on the fly while driving, if you want to keep your rpms high (to get up a hill, to pass a bicyclist or slow car on backroads, to launch out of a stoplight, etc). You simply cannot do this well in automatic mode, as the CVT computer is singularly focused on trying to keep rpms under 1.5 to 2K for fuel efficiency. I would recommend actually trying them before you trash talk them!
Yes, the mouth at the steering wheel should relegate himself to critiquing only Turbo boosted engine cars. The Subaru 2.5 L aspirated engine is a mild driving experience that serves the purpose of transportation with some increased fuel economy.
Love my 2018 3.6R
I can live without the turbo anyway. It’s strains the engine and transmission. I would love to a legacy. They are nice looking cars!
More than a decade ago I could've gotten one of the most badass, underated family sedans in the Legacy GT. Now we get 0-60 in 8 or 11 seconds. This is a crime
I have a 2013, it's a jdm. 0 to 60 in 5.1 seconds. It's a pretty good car
I like this one very much. Too bad I'm stuck with a Camry for now
Superb comprehensive review of both turbo and non turbo. Thank you
Great review guys!! I was under the impression that the new 2020 turbo (XT) would be more exciting though! Kind of like the legacy version of the WRX and STI. I have an Impreza now and was looking to upgrade to this; perhaps I'll get the 2019 legacy.
I've had a 2020 legacy touring xt since Aug of 2021 . I had a sweet 2015 3.6 tuned with lots of after market suspension upgrades .
Auto stop start needs to die, Make it an option to perm turn it off.
Hopefully someone can code it out.
Hopefully the trick of making up a trailer plug so the car thinks you’re towing works.
@cloud ix _ Absolutely!!!
EvilCerealBoX COBB tuning get to work!!!
Just picked up my 21 Xt I love it!
Have a 2019 Liberty (Oz) and the first thing I always do is fit Pilot Sport 4s - can't wait for the turbo 2020 to come down under.
Yes, I'm waiting for one. I ordered it in June.
Lee C I just ordered mine last week, they’re saying it will arrive in November. I’m hoping it comes sooner though that’s a long time lol
@@karlspengler621 I was told late Sept-Oct, but I don't think he knows at all.
@@karlspengler621 I'm getting the Premier XT white with tan interior, all the options, you?
Nice! I’m getting the touring XT and adding a few options such as tinted windows, wireless charger, the led light on the mirror and interior illumination kit
anyone looking to buy a new Subaru i can help with a discount! email me with questions. I work at the factory in Lafayette Indiana tkeith64@hotmail.com
I think we can all agree that the interior is miles better than any GM vehicle!!
Subaru is kikin butt again...and I luv the safety features, and big screen..the seats and leather all around looks awesome. I am glad the Legacy sedan is now on par in looks and space with te other top dogs.
Couldn't be happier with my 2022 XT Touring 2.4. This car exceeded my expectations. Might be plain looking, but in terms of comfort and what it can do I am totally satisfied. I find you can still have fun in this car even with CVT
the 2.5 engine is actually amazing. ya its not fast but I have gone almost 700 miles on one tank doing highway driving.
I would have been a Subaru Forester buyer, I just wish Subaru had waited a year and put the XT Turbo Touring option and this updated interior in the Forester. I hate the fact that Subaru had the regular gas XT engine already in the Ascent, but everyone says that they choose to skip the Forester and put it in the Legacy and Outback only. For us, this lack of engine option and the shuttering start/stop system were real deal-stoppers.
Audi: creates a redesigned car that doesn’t look any different then the previous model
People: “very well done!! beautiful!! very modern!!”
Subaru: creates a redesigned car that doesn’t look any different then the previous model
People: “wow plain. terrible. could’ve used a new design.”
Not directed at this channel but I’ve seen this happen around the internet.
Spencer Mclaughlan Simple: Audi started off with an exciting, fun look that remains exciting and fun, while Subaru started off with a plain box look and decided to keep it.
Audi was good from the beginning...Subaru design is butch!
Yay The Turbo is Back woo hoo :). Just waiting on the 6 speed now ;)
Don't hold your breath if you're in the states
I have a 2010 Legacy GT 6 speed turbo.....hopefully, they will come out with a manual for the new Legacy one day.
specB!
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I have a 2016 legacy premium and use the paddle shifters in the snow to get into a theoretical lower gear to help engine braking and it does work. CVTs tend to coast more than a traditional automatic so in the snow those paddles do help quite a bit. That is the only thing they are good for in my opinion.
Awesome looking car but the first thing I would do after buying it would be to get rid of those hideous rims.
I would bet it would look better with the rims from a previous Legacy limited
Agree!!
The wheels!!!...come on Subaru gotta do better with the wheels
Go aftermarket get any style you like
at least they fixed the apple car play its now in portrait mode and covers most of the screen they updated it as firmware this past july
I personally am not a subaru fan boy or anything. I will say after doing PDIs on many Outback XT and Legacy XT they are nice little cars. Especially for being still extremely practical for the family. Also the extra few inches of leg room that has been added makes a huge difference from sitting in the 2019 to 2020 models. I'm interested to see what issues and quirks they have as time goes on since this is a new generation for the legacy.
I recently traded in my 2016 Legacy 2.5i limited for a new car. I loved that car except it was drinking oil like I drink soda. The only thing that really bugged me was the process of lowering the rear seats. Pulling a trigger in the trunk, then reaching in to push the seats down is fine when there is no rain or no snow on the rear bumper. Just put the seatback releases on the top of the rear seats and redundant releases in the trunk.
Yeah, my toyota Im has piano black, found a plastc anti scratch adhesive on ebay to put on it.
Very nice review, I have a 2017 Sport, looking to upgrade to the Xt
I finally got the black wheels and turbo on the 23 sports trim. But I only got the 24 ish MPG on combined driving situations.
People in mountainous areas love the paddle shifters for going down long grades. I'm guessing that's the main purpose.
You weren't wrong on the nomenclature. In Canada it is the Legacy GT still and it is badged that way. :)
CVT is the worst transmission possible , my wife has a new impreza with it .. Never again.
Scott Leech Have you not driven a Nissan?
It depends on what car company. Honda has pretty decent CVT in their cars.
It's really not. The problem is the lack of torque on this engine. If they did a turbo diesel and the same high torque cvt in the xt I bet they could get 30 city out of it and 40 highway but because it's a diesel it would have relatively usable amounts of torque.
The Iprezza is designed as the most economical transport so the cvt is programmed for that. If you want something sporty then buy it.
the CVT is ideal for fuel efficiency. if they did away with the fake/artificial shifting it would even have better performance overall.
...want want want want.....must get it in dark blue, beige interior with a sunroof....RIP and much love to my old 2005 Leggy GT
C'mon, Ryan. No manual transmission available "yet"? Didn't you just tell us that Subaru sold five (!) MT's the last time they offered it in the Legacy? That's not just a minuscule five percent take rate; it's an astounding five vehicles. If true, any Subaru product planner who suggested an MT would justifiably be clearing out his desk by the end of the week and probably headed to the funny farm with the bill paid by Subaru.
And yes, there's the obligatory negative comments about the CVT. I'm no fan either but it's worth noting that all CVT's aren't created equal and some manufacturers have significantly improved their their CVT's behavior in the last decade. So much so that reviewers who want to punch their tickets as "enthusiasts" routinely couple their complaints about a CVT with grudging qualifications to the effect that this particular CVT ain't so bad. So what are the benefits of the CVT? An AWD vehicle a 260 HP/277 ft lbs of torque that gets 24/32/27 mpgs! That's one mpg better on each of the three metrics than the Mazda6 with a 2.5L turbo with FWD. And the Subaru, unlike the Mazda, recommends regular gas to obtain its power numbers. The Subaru enjoys a similar advantage over both the FWD Accord 2.0L turbo and the Camry V6. Pretty damn impressive.
Is the Legacy a sport sedan? Of course not. Those looking for a $30K sport sedan would be better off considering a smaller, lighter VW GLI. The Legacy is a midsize family sedan. In its XT trim it's as quick or quicker than three major rivals (Accord 2.0L turbo, Mazda 6 turbo, and Camry V6) with interior appointments that compare favorably to those of the top others' top trims and AWD. Legacy owners no longer have to make excuses for its cheap interior or sluggish performance, or mediocre fuel efficiency.
Last year I looked seriously at the Accord, Mazda6, and the Camry. I didn't even bother considering the Legacy. If I were shopping again, the Legacy would definitely be in the mix.
4:45 Subaru didn't address that. This has been the #1 complaint with this infotainment system in every Subaru it has been installed in since 2020.
The Sport model has the look the XT should have 🤷
There should be a xt sport
@Dillon Hawkins _ "There should be a xt sport"
Absolutely not ... there is no such necessity at all. For that you go and buy an STi.
@@squidproquo2241 2 totally different animals. Stop comparing apples to oranges.
@Mike Burrows _ If you want apples to taste like oranges or vice versa, it is inevitable to suggest one o9f them. I am not making a comparison I am making a suggestion. Stop reading like you are cross eyed or something.
Murder black Sport with a turbo...
Another great review ! the beeping is kinda annoying in this car
I feel like the legacy this generation looks better than the outback imo.
Haven't seen a review yet that talks about how the engine auto start/stop feature works.
What tires would you recommend for all season tires on this Legacy XT
Is love to know this as well
The new Michelin Cross Climate2 do wonders for this car. At least that is the case for the 2022 model
Is the 2020 Outback XT just as quite at highway speeds as the 2020 Legacy XT?
When people say this or that one thing in an otherwise great car is a "deal-breaker", you can be pretty confident they would never have bought the car anyway.
On off engine start should not reset to on. That sucks .
Vince It’s required by law.
Is the XT out yet? I have looked on local Subaru dealers websites and they are non existent! I want to test drive one to make sure its the one! I am totally sold at all its features and looks but still need to get behind the wheel for a final deciding factor.
I guest I’ll get the STI
Thank you for your help and information
We have the STI S209 review hitting later this month. ;)
I was looking into the wrx but I think I will just get the older ones with ej20
Why would you want a car with an engine that has not been updated in over 23 years (yes the EJ25 is 23 years old!)?! 305 hp was cool in 2005 but today that is a joke for a "sporty car"
I owned a 2015 STI launch edition for 6 weeks, sold it as it was trash. I guess my problem is I am used to much better cars, I wanted to like it but the turbo lag and interior of a $20k car...I couldn't.
Maybe I wasn’t paying enough attention but where was this test drive done? I love the roads
Paddle shifters are not useless in a CVT! You can use them to brake quicker, and when you want to pass someone you can "downshift" which will give you more power, instead of the CVT hesitating. Like some other's said, you cant floor a car with a CVT it will hesitate. You have to ease the accelerator at first. CVT's were designed and programmed for fuel economy, would be nice if Subaru offered other options for transmissions.
They can put that same functionality on the transmission stick - don’t need paddles.
You should do all your 0-60 test the same, so we can compare against other makes. You pre- loaded the turbo legacy but not the Toyota awd Camry. We want consistency in testing.
A set of Cooper tires would go great for this set up as well.
Great review! Love the detail! I’m looking to upgrade my car and I am wondering if it is worth it to get the legacy touring Xt or wait to see if they refresh the wrx this year to see what that has to offer.
Same debate I’m having. Local dealership tells me the WRX for 2021 will be new.
I have a 2015 Legacy & 2021 Outback. The physical buttons in the ‘15 are superior.
I can jump in the ‘15 and instantly set the temp, fan and heated seats. I can’t in the 2021. Super frustrating. Super annoying. I won’t replace the ‘15 with this unless they change it.
I like the Legacy, but where we live, we have to have the ground clearance. Our Outback is awesome in our yearly snow pack and I’ll be needing to replace my Rav 4WD Limited in a year or so. If the Legacy had more ground clearance, I would buy it.
But I’ll replace my Rav with a Forester Touring when the time comes.
How does the 2.4l turbo get away with only requiring 87 octane?
Don't know, but it sure is nice especially with the escalating prices of fuel now days. Picked up a 2022 Legacy XT Touring last week and will honestly say it's one of the best cars that I have ever driven/owned. I know a lot of people despise CVT, but the one in the 2022 performs so well. They really have come a long way
I think Android Auto is sending out an update that will fully utilize the available screen size.
How is its turbo engine’s powerfulness compared to what accord 2.0T engineer?
Which one would you choose - the Legacy or the Outback ? I know its an open- ended question, but that is the dilemma I am facing. Help !!!!
Forester deserves a turbo engine too.
Eh. I’m not sold on the xt. Was gonna get rid of my 2015 2.5 for the xt but this looks way slower than my GT. Was hoping it would be quick and comfortable. Love the interior but the lack of performance might be a deal breaker. 0-60 in 8 secs. That’s pretty bad. My gt does it in under 5 and that isn’t quick enough.
Auto start stop is a deal breaker for me it's a royal pain in the rear end..
By Subaru making Eye Sight standard across the line, they have ruled out making a standard transmission available. A couple years ago I was told by a Subaru representative that was the goal for all cars except the WRX and BRZ.
Eye Sight includes adaptive cruise control and that is not compatible with a standard transmission.
By making fake shifts the only option when going full throttle, they have made the car slower..
The only "cool" thing about a CVT is that it is the only type of transmission which can maintain peak power indefinitely. Fake fear changes eliminate the ability to maintain peak power, so they make CVT's slower than they should be.
I had a 2016 Forester XT with the CVT which wasn't programmed that way.
I will never buy another vehicle with a CVT, so until I have no need to transport anyone in the back seat, I am done with Subaru.
David Santora yep because safety systems like eyesight have to adjust and take control over the transmission to help slow the vehicle down to prevent a crash or adjust speed for adaptive cruise control which a manual can’t do.
@@ivan72087 it will be a sad day when systems like Eye Sight are mandated by the Federal Government. No more manuals once that happens.
If I didn't already have a "just for fiun" vehicle, Icwould buy a Veloster N. They are only available with a six speed manual transmission and are getting great reviews.
You can literally hear the CVT keeping the engine at constant rpm while they're trying to do 0-60. Which side note, they did it wrong since flooring a CVT from a stop isn't as fast as gradually stepping on the gas. Otherwise yea sure you got the point I guess
My next car for sure
Not sure if anyone has asked this BUT is the XT worth the extra 10K from the non turbo models?
ماهي مميزات مكائن بوكسر فلات. وماهي عيوبها
What’s with these automakers putting piano black everywhere? They collect scratches, dust, and finger prints so easily!
Work for an auto company and change the system from the inside. Be the change you want to see in the world.
Software so everyone who has this issue should go work for a auto company? And you never complained about anything on a car?
@@ivan72087 it's a joke bro. Don't take everything so seriously
Software I know!🤦🏽
I’m curious to see what COBB will do in regards to power for the 2.4T
Probably not too much more than the CVT WRX. The transmission is a major weak point.
Great review but I think you misstated the maximum torque split front and rear. The default split is 55/45 but I’m pretty sure (as has been the case in Subaru’s AWD for years) that much more can shift front to rear depending on where the system is detecting slippage.
Thanks! At 20:04 I specify 55/45 torque split. It will never exceed 45 to the back, but can do up to 90% to the front IIRC. Did I misstate it somewhere else in the review? -RD
Driving Sports TV you correctly stated the 55/45 split, you incorrectly (at least as a fanboy, I believe) added that that is the MAXIMUM split, which as you probably know the system can push much more to either axle depending on the conditions. Just a word mixup.
Driving Sports TV The Subaru CVT-based system can certainly send much more than 45% of power to the rear, though Subaru is a bit quiet on how much exactly it is. The various answers I’ve heard range from 60% to 90+%, if the fronts slip. However, as I understand the multi-plate clutch system, the best it can do is lock up the differential and that will only give you 50/50.
www.torquenews.com/1084/4-things-you-don-t-know-about-subaru-s-symmetrical-awd
Tpolerex that article provides very little information on all 4 systems, provides no explanations and provides no sources for their statements. In journalism that’s called “fluff.”
It corners better than the sport model maybe because the high torque CVT produces more engine breaking and also more down force.
Eduardo Albuerme supposedly the xt has a higher spring rate to compensate for the added weight of the turbo setup
@@Kyriaeus didn´t he say it was the same setup for both?
@@Albuermeduardo Redline Reviews mentioned the stiffer spring rate (edit: also read it on Jalopnik, for what it's worth)
@@Kyriaeus ok. Probably Douhit did not have that fact.
@@Albuermeduardo It's such a minor change I'm surprised any media outlet caught it, really
Thank you for the video & reviewing this new model. I’m kind of skeptical on the Legacy as a new car. I was waiting for the new 2020 Legacy, to see if it’s comfortable and safe with new look. Not sure about if it’s comfortable because my experience with 2017 Legacy seats has been very bad. The look is no new and still looking outdated and not sporty or aggressive. The new infotainment system still new, looks interesting to me but again, not sure what kind of problems and/or issues will be expecting from this.
Saad N., I think the driver's seat in the models Limited and up have a pull-out thigh extension to provide more support for your legs in the bottom cushion. This review did not show that feature. I find that far too many of the new vehicles have uncomfortable seats. Test driving for more than just a short time becomes absolutely necessary. I can't think of anything worse than buying a car with an uncomfortable driver's seat.
The limited has de acústic glases?
The XT seems too boring without the hoodscoop or a 6-speed manual transmission. My 3.6R has been incredibly reliable but this isn't making me want to switch anytime soon.
Joe The hood scoop doesn’t make it any more fun.
@@afcgeo882... You're probably right...a hood scoop is not worthy of such a blah/bland car...car needs more spice to have a hood scoop bestowed upon it
@@afcgeo882 I think the old GT's look less boring with the hoodscoop is all
@@K03sport The GT's circa 2011 had the hoodscoop, a 6spd manual , and different rims all together. These new ones just seem blah. Nothing really stands out.
@@afcgeo882 Never said the hoodscoop makes it more fun but I mentioned the 6spd transmission which couldn't hurt
Love my 2013 model
Is the turbo compatible with 3.6R in real performance
I hear that the automatic engine start/stop on this car is the worst.
Lots of harsh vibration and lag at restart.
And the disable function is buried in the on-screen menu. No thanks.
A (2020 or 2021 ?) software update will put the disable function on the main screen.
I wonder what the hit is on regular fuel? You pay for it dearly sometimes in acceleration and/or gas mileage. No one talks about that. Also, to do simple things sweeping around that massive screen is going to be a huge pain while driving - why they do all those things while stopped. Basically, you set things and you go - no changing while driving (maybe the temperature and the station, that is about it). That 0-60 is painfully slow on the non-turbo engine, it won't work in CT with the short ramps onto the Merritt Parkway. The turbo is acceptable.
I've never seen you whining this much in any video (watching in 2023)
A.F. what are you trying to communicate ?
you really need to stall it up against the torque converter to build boost(at least 8psi), I can do AWD burnouts in my 2010 Forester XT with this technique
That was still the old 4EAT wasn’t it?
@@drivingsports Yup! the 4EAT is an awesome trans, currently have 243k on mine in my forester.......change the fluid every 30k and you're good to go........and subaru still uses a torque converter in their CVT unlike some others that use a DCT-like coupling
I buy subarus for one main reason. DEPENDABILITY...i have always gotten grest service out of my subarus. I just hope that Subaru will shelve the 2.0. It is just ok weak. The 2.5 is a great engine, and it is just as economical as a 2.0.
no hood scoop may be 'better' for aerodynamics, but a hood scoop separates you from your plebeian, regular car. I am one of those gravitating to the WRX and have finally chosen it to be the replacement for my 04 GTI. here's to many miles of happy shifting #savethemanuals. Now, what petition do I need to sign to bring the LeVorg 2.0t 6spd to North America? Auto Start/stop AND CVTs are going to kill the auto industry and then ppl are going to wonder why no one is buying cars as predicted....
Consider Ryan's comment that the last time Subaru offered a manual transmission Legacy they sold five! Not five percent. Five vehicles. CVT's and start/stop systems aren't part of a nefarious scheme to "kill the auto industry." Along with hybrids and EV's they're measures designed to reduce reliance on fossil fuels. Get used to it.
Get a WRX CVT - a bit smaller, a bit less refined but 10x the performance.
@@stephenhendricks103... Because that manual legacy was a dud; the mid 2000s gt/spec b was not). You are right, st/st tech and cvts won't kill the industry because auto manufacturers won't give consumers a choice, so it's that or nothing (or a motorcycle) and the consumer will be forced to accept it for a new car (I hate tpms even though it is passive system). And when electric vehicles take center stage, there will be no transmission per say. Just because something is new and there is no other choice, doesn't mean we have to like it.
@@K03sport The last years of the manual Legacy it was available on the base only version of the Legacy 2.5i meaning you could not get the cold weather package with the manual and were forced to have steel wheels with hub caps, non painted door handles and mirrors, etc. which made it a deal breaker.
@@Sir.VicsMasher I really hated the way they made the manual limited to the most stripped down model. No wonder it didn't sell!
I guess my next subaru will be a WRX. That's what my 90 yrs old father said. He only drives a stick shift.
I'm short of 90 years old by quite a bit but I always had at least one MT vehicle in my garage for my first 40+ years of driving. In 2013 I went with a DSG GTI and I've never looked back. :)
You really need paddle shifts in a mountain road, up and certainly down!!
Till you blow a transmission
@@Hallowsaw That is not true. Why will you blow it? If it is very hot, you will be warned in the dashboard and will have time to stop. It is designed to make downshifts without any problem.
Japanes may not be able to buy this 2020 legacy sedan (legacy B4). I’m sad.
Why is that so?
@@ianpolo5673 subaru seller said that 2020legacy is outback only not sell B4 .in resent years sedans tend not to sell in japan.
1:05 Subaru - check, leaks - check.
I hope you're trolling, because if you can't even tell that it's simply the ac releasing water (which is what all ac units on all the cars ever do) than I don't even know how you posses this "knowledge" of all Subarus leaking
@@556johny556 i have owned 5 Subarus, they all leaked, and JOKE.
To be fair to the turbo... Subarus CVT doesn't like being 'preloaded' or floored from 0, turbo or not; It bogs and falls on it's face. Get it rolling to 5-10 ish then floor it and it will do what it's supposed to. I would rather take the EPA hit and get better tires, but we know why they're doing it.
Did someone say 6spd Sti swap and tune?
I believe I've seen other reviews show the base engine can do 0-60 9 to 10 seconds.. 11, seems slow, even for this car. we have the 2018, I;ll try to do the test myself and see what I get.. 2018 model didn't lag in leg room... there's tons of rooom back there. No need to add any space back there... better to have been only for the trunk or left the size as it was.
Don’t underestimate the penalty for hauling two large guys.
@@drivingsports the 8 seconds, even with two big guys, seems slow for a turbo with that much torque.. did you do multiple runs to get an average or consistency ? Also, personally, I prefer seeing the 45-65 or 50-70 test some companies do, as that's more important for passing power, and not 0-60. some cars have better mid range and that's more practical/useful test result. the 2.5L non turbo in the legacy, though as slower 0-60 than a few of it's competitors, it had .1 to .2 seconds better 50-70mpg test.. so it's the better passing power vehicle... many tubros are great 0-60, but when up to 60mph range they lose some power.. and v-6's beat them in this passing power test range... .. if possible, add the 50-70 tests :-)
Did GM patent/copyright Cowl Induction? A reverse hood scoop would bring back some bit of Subaru quirkiness.
What they should do with CVTs is, instead of them fake gear pedals, have a lever of some sort. More granularity in torque control, but nooooo we can't have the full capabilities of CVTs.
Bradley looks like a member of the Hells Angels
Mooi model de Legacy, jammer genoeg niet in Nederland verkrijgbaar
like the legacy but we haven't got any on our country.