What would be your choice for a "Normal" car under 30k for you and your family? Huge thanks to the Patreon Supporters for making the Channel and Podcast possible
Anything all wheel drive really. I really like the look of the new Mazda 6, but unfortunately it is only available in front wheel drive. The Mazda 3 sedan is offered in all wheel drive, but I think it might be a little too small for me. I was going to suggest an Acura ILX, but that is only offered in front wheel drive as well. A new Subaru WRX (non Sti) goes for around 27 grand, but that might not be considered a "Normal" car. All things considered, this seems like the best option.
One thing I like that Subaru does is mount the side view mirrors to the door and you have that little window behind the A pillar, unlike most auto makers they slap a piece of plastic there to hide where the mirror bolts up. I feel that little bit of extra visibility is nice since it eliminates one more blind spot. especially nice in crowded areas making turns
Honestly what you said about this kind of car “neutering [one’s] need for speed” is pretty spot-on... Going from a V8 Mercedes to a Prius for my daily really helped slow me down after I got a $600 speeding ticket (don’t worry i still got the merc as my weekend car). absolutely zero attachment to the Prius, but it’s so easy on my wallet. fuel savings are even better with quarantine, i went from 45 miles per gallon to like 45 days per gallon 🤣
I still don’t understand the hate people have for the Prius. They are pretty balanced, and will even kick the tail with some lift off mid corner haha. All this with 50+mpg and ton of storage space!
@@TedwardDrives it's just how they look, if they made a 4 door sedan prius with decent styling then I'd buy it. If they made it look good as a hatch back I'd buy it. They made it look like some 1990s version of a 2030 car and it looks rather stupid
My wife has a 2016 Legacy, and your review is spot on. The drivetrain is an appliance, not a hint of sportiness, and the steering has no feedback on turn in, but it still feels very stable because of the low CG from the boxer engine. Otherwise, it has great visibility for a modern sedan, ride quality is fine and it's comfortable. It's still a great car because where else are you going to find an AWD sedan that can easily get over 30mpg, with a lot of standard equipment for well under 30k
I really appreciate this comment! It is soooo much safety tech and standard equipment for the money. But its a bit of a drag for anyone who enjoys driving. It has its place in the world for sure!
I got a new one. I enjoy driving and this isn't a great fast weekend car but for cruising in traffic with some tunes in, it's great. It just does what it is supposed to do and the deal I got was amazing.
I am a car enthusiast and I specifically looked for this car when I was looking for my next car. It’s so boring, comfortable, reliable that I basically never have to think about the vehicle I’m driving. I use it for long extended road trips because it will never get stuck in poor weather and it gets reasonable fuel economy. I use it to go to the ski resorts because of the awd. My performance and off road vehicles could never be this practical. If you are someone who needs a fast exciting car you should never be even looking at any car like this, it’s a boring mindless car and it’s the best attribute of it. That’s just my perspective but I feel a couple of people would at least agree with some on my points
If I were to get an ordinary car under 30k (maybe even under 20k), I’d get a current generation Honda Civic Sport sedan with manual transmission. That transmission, paired with a reputable naturally aspirated engine, is the secret to longevity of ownership.
I have this car and love it. My project is a Saab 9-3 and this is my daily. It’s slow as balls but the paddle shifters make me forget it’s a cvt and it’s smooth. The Mrs loves it and the awd in the blistering NE Ohio winters saved me more than once. Next up project wise is a 08 TT. Let’s see if that makes me fall out of love with my Daily.
Jumping from a modded-to-the-gills German car to a 2022 Outback in December. Eyesight, coming from just standard cruise control, feels like self-driving. Those micro adjustments on a long drive add up. And it's so comfortable. The suspension is unbelievably soft. With the new Subaru global platform, it's also whisper quiet in the cabin; over rough pavement, having driven them back to back, it's more quiet than the ES 300h. The best part: I got it for 31k, and because the hold their value so well, if I ever want anything else, I'm out only a couple of grand.
Strongly considering trading my now 10 year old E350 4Matic (albeit with very low mileage, under 100K KM on the clock) in on a 2021 Legacy Touring. I'm someone who really does enjoy driving. But also at the same time, I'm annoyed at the prospect of yet more repairs, not to mention that for my day to day commute, I just want something comfortable and reliable, not to mention decent on gas. The Subaru seems to fit the bill. I was always opposed to financing, but I know with a Subaru, it'll last me longer than the financed term, and they're popular up here in the great white north for a reason.
@@benjaminbomberg I've had the Outback now for a month since making my last comment and love it! I think it's worth checking out. I haven't driven the Legacy, but have heard good things about it
Definitely agreeing with you on the emotional engagement thing. My daily driver is a CVT Civic and it is on paper the best car I've ever owned. It's got good power, sophisticated safety features, great MPG and so on but I am less attached to it than any other car I've had. It seems like each new layer of tech takes you farther away from the pure driving experience.
I've owned a 2015 since 2015 and put over 100k on it. You're not wrong lol. That being said, I absolutely love it. Living in an area where snow can happen 6 months of the year and wanting/needing a sedan that has a solid AWD system, the options are pretty limited. When considering reliability on top of that the options are even fewer. All things considered, it basically comes down to an A6 or this. (GS350 or Q50S maybe but their AWD systems aren't as robust). An A6 with an APR tune would be WAY MORE FUN, BUT, I've never once worried about my windows not opening or getting getting stuck open cause the motor failed, or a leaky moon roof, or the engine mounts failing, or ironically oil or coolant leaks, or anything else. It's been a basic maintenance AWD car that won't quit. Is it inspiring, absolutely fu***** not lolol, no power below 4k rpm and basically none above it either. However, I've comfortably driven through more than a foot of snow with confidence and even helped get Jeeps unstuck. It's a jack of all trades, master of none.
I am considering getting a Legacy . All the road around me are pot holes, bumps and rail road tracks, would you recommend the car for that? I just dont want to destroy it too soon because of the roads that I drive. What do you think?
Honestly. It's a low key sleeper with a really laboring CVT. I don't feel fast behind the wheel of my '20 Legacy Sport, but I feel confident in heavy rainy conditions, long distances, higher speeds. The AWD, the entertainment system and safety/Eyesight features make it a money saver and a loaded option. You just won't be racing anybody off the line. Lol
I decided to get the 2021 Subaru Legacy Premium and I’m coming from the following cars: 2004 Ford Explorer (Hand-me down -> totaled - brakes stopped working) and a 2007 Infiniti G35X (Hand-me-down -> broken down in highway). I’m an enthusiast, but I also wasn’t interested in getting a BMW or Mercedes. I contemplated on the new Honda Accord Sport, but living in NJ, snow is not a joke. Seeing many people in their RWD cars get stuck, or even FWD cars, it was crazy; Given that I also used to drive (for a short time - a Dodge Charger), I also got stuck in the snow. I’d then decided that I refuse to be in their position. Also, as someone, who drives their car about 15-20 miles both ways to work and school; I wanted something reliable and safe. I don’t regret getting this car one bit! Even if it’s not fast or sexy as other cars, I’m still happy with my choice. I only fill up about once a week; sometimes I even go as far as two weeks or more and still have about 1/4 tank left. It’s definitely a car I’d recommend to anyone and I love how smooth it is. Sometimes it feels like I’m gliding across the highway.
I own the top trim of the 2020 Legacy with the 2.4 turbo 260 HP/278 lb-ft. I think you'd find it a lot more enjoyable to drive. It matches the CVT better and 0-60 is 6.2 sec not 8.4. It is still a very soft and smooth ride, but I like that feel.
DING! DING! DING! Another great video. I love just sitting back and listening to your opinions on different cars. I would love to hear your thoughts about the Grand Cherokee market, similar to what was discussed in this video. The consumer demographic, what it is really good at, etc. I also would love some more "affordable" sports car videos like the Cayman GT4 you drove recently. Like BMW M4, Shelby GT350, a used Ferrari 430, used Maserati Gran Turismo...
Yeah you can don’t buy it new. You can get a Fully loaded 10 speed 2.0 Accord for under $30k CAD, that’s like $22k USD. Check Facebook marketplace waaay better deals then autotrader.
Hell no. I will never support them going into the micro engine territory. I drove a 1.5l turbo and fucking sucks ass for two hours ride. When I got out of the car, I walked holding my ass and back for five minutes at a gas station. Horrible ride. Horrible seats. I would never sacrifice comfort for Honda name. Besides, Legacy probably has better resale and will last longer. I see bunch of the old ones still on road, and having owned them in the past, bar none the most comfortable Japanese sedan, on par with Mercedes. If I was in the market for a new car, I would buy a new Sienna. No sedans and no suvs for me. Vans are ugly, but when you drive one for 20 hours cross country and feel fresh, you will never even look at something stupid like Accord or Camry. Camry is even worse. I don't even understand the point of a sedan anymore. At least Subaru puts large seats in em, unlike Accord.
Just bought one, i was super excited. My first Subaru until i found this. LMOA. I speed in this car, no problem. Lol. Well i can't be to down because ur being honest and truthful about everything ur experience and is correct on what u say about the car. I still love it, im not a grandma. Lol. Great video, good laughs and good and correct information. Its a good car so far for the price. Thanks for the video.
@@confidentlocal8600 Where did you get that info? The CVTs in Subarus is one of the most reliable CVTs on the market. There is CVTs by Subaru that are still on the roads with over 300k miles
How so? I compliment all of the features and abilities of a car at this price point. Honda manages to build cars that are fun to drive and have these features. I don't need it to be a Porsche. But it doesn’t need to be a sedative experience
@@TedwardDrives Its supposed to be a relaxed, comfortable and safe family car. Would you criticise a Rolls Royce because the ride was too comfortable and sedative?
I drive a lot of these cars for work and I own a 2018. This new generation of Legacy has once again gotten more boring and soft. It is also more refined. Subaru has been chasing the mainstream market for years in order to drive up sales and it has worked. The days of a quirky, fun, AWD car you can slide around are gone and have been since 2009. I was excited about the new generation (2020) but I was disappointed with it. The steering has less feel and is lighter than my 18. Every year Subaru's CVT tuning seems to make the cars feel slower and there is no power. The new touchscreen is horrible, slow, and unresponsive. That being said the turbo model is fun (especially in the snow). My 18 is no sports car, it drives like a Camry, but throw a rear swaybar in it and chuck it down a backroad or dirt road and you can have some fun. The technology in these cars is unbeatable for the price point and as a relaxing AWD daily, they work well.
Totally agree. I don't even need this to slide around...or even be FUN. I just feel like I've taken a heavy sedative when I drive it. It's mind numbing in a way that I have not experienced in a car for a very very long time.
The Emasculator! Haha. It is funny to be viewing the dash and wheel from your perspective inside the car and it is like I am in my 2015 STi. I need to drive one now to really appreciate my car! --Michael
Tedward I am sure. I drove my friend's Outback and thought it was charming and solid. Then I got back in my car and was like," Oh, this is what I want and desire. The Outback is what I need day to day."
Trade it if you aren't happy with it. Your freeway driving needs some work getting off the exit ramp and speeding up 😂 you made me grab my computer slow down haha. Great content man I personally don't mind this car it is reliable and you are right it will get you to where you need to go that is somewhat the point of cars lol. I love cars and driving but when it comes to safety and what's going to keep me on the road Subaru hands down will keep us safe. Keep up the great work!
No no no no, the onramp is constructed specifically for acceleration. You merge at the speed of traffic on the highway or you stay of the highway! He's not even pushing it, you cant hear the tires. This is how people should drive.
Actually, I am a grandma, but, I have a 50 mile commute, and I bought this car because of its technology and mileage. Grandma got too many speeding tickets in her manual 5 speed Corolla which was a demon when you hit the gas .😂😂🤣🤣
Just one note on the Eyesight big cancel button thing. It's fine dude. The button is top right right under your thumb if you need to cancel it. I use Eyesight every opportunity I can and it's a great system. You do need to finesse it a little (it likes to "remain stuck to the car" in front for a little too long even if they are moving into another lane or off ramp) but that comes with experience.
Thoughts on the Impreza? Both being relatively low end Subarus I feel like they might be similar. I’ve been looking at a 5 speed Impreza of the same year and I’m worried that they might be similar in the driving department. Debating between the civic hatch of that year or the Impreza
I actually think it was a smart move by Subaru to keep the Legacy’s overall character more conservative. I think with a lot of midsize sedans trying to get more and more sporty and athletic, there could be a subset of disaffected buyers out there who owned, say, an older Camry and are put off by the some of the newer entries in this segment. However, in this class, I’d personally go for either an Accord or a Mazda6. I wish Subaru would just slightly improve some aspects of this car. Make the handling slightly better but still keep the comfy ride, make the infotainment slightly more responsive and easier to use, make the safety tech slightly less overactive and intrusive. But hopefully these are all things they’ll address in a mid-cycle update.
*moves shifter* 'CLANK CLANK CLANK' My outback does that. It was absolutely scary at first to hear such a noise when shifting gears, but Im used to it now. Its kind of nice now lol
The only thing that bothers me about these self-driving features and safety suites is that they may end up encouraging complacency. Distracted driving is never safe and yet these features might make people think it’s okay to hit the gram when they’re behind the wheel. Until the insurance policy is billed to the car and not the driver, people need to be taking ownership of what their car does
Nice video! I would get an Accord with the 1.5t with a manual. It won’t exist for much longer, unfortunately. The Accord drives so well. I was stunned when I got to drive one. There is some rev-hang but I can’t even list all of the things I love about it. Driving position is super nice and low, super comfortable, super sharp handling for what it is, great visibility, great steering, and a cavernous interior. The 1.5t is a great engine. One of the few turbo engines in its class that likes to rev. Keeps pulling past 5k. It was the biggest surprise for me last year. Edit: Honda managed to integrate self driving tech into the manual Accord. It's stunning how much thought went into the current gen Accord.
On one hand... I would rather drop that money on a 6-speed manual Toyota Corolla from 1998 or so, and get everything fixed all the way, and maybe even get it re-painted as maroon or navy blue with a hydrophobic coating, and totally be able to get it fixed for cheap. Recently I drove a 6-speed automatic Corolla '98, and it had an incredible transmission. It up-shifts within 1,5 seconds or so, and the 1,6 liter engine was unbelievable in terms of power. On the other hand... Forget it, I will not ever own a fresh new car. I don't mind fancy stuff, but there's probably only one place to get it fixed and maintained, and I don't like the stories I've heard about CVTs. If I wanted an automatic, I'd get a traditional one.
This guy don’t even know what he wants to say. He kept contradicting himself. Let me tell you, the Legacy was never meant to be a sports car and you are not even driving the XT model. You only talking about bad about this car because it has a Subaru LOGO, if I tell you to close your eyes and put your BMW LOGO on the front you probably would say OMG what a car.
Great tech for money. No driver engagement. Where’s the contradiction? And I have criticized plenty of bmws for numb steering and spikey powerbands. I’m not a fanboy so don’t try to pin the bmw crap on me
Tedward l like the challenge and it’s no biggie, speak your mind just like I did mine. Subaru is the only car company I know that have AFFORDABLE cars for every occasions. You want a track car? Well there’s an STI, not enough? Then there’s the S209. There’s the Ascent for big families and outback and forester for smaller families. I opted for the Legacy Touring XT because it give me best of both world. AWD feature pack and the new FA24 Turbo is pretty fast. 5.9 seconds to 60 and 14.7 seconds at 98.4 MPH in my testing. You should test drive the XT MODELS and see for yourself. Wish you well!!!
I will but I can only review the car I’m driving. When I get the XT I’ll speak to it based on that car. Some other guy said “if you don’t like it upgrade the sway bars”. That’s not the point. The point is to discuss the car I’m driving. Not what it would be if it had a different engine, trim level, or mods. I’ve reviewed STIs and spoken highly of them. I have no issue with the brand.
I much prefer the three-dial systems where I can activate the windshield defroster by turning all three knobs full clockwise. I won't buy a vehicle where I have to take my eyes or attention off the road to adjust the HVAC. This is another example where cost cutting and "gee whiz" tech take precedence over ergonomics and human factors.
I'm getting set to buy a 2021 Premium. I sure hear a lot of bitching about how "slow" they are. I'm coming from a Cobalt 2.2 with over 261,000 miles on it. I'm sure a brand new 2.5 Legacy will blow the doors off my Cobalt. I looked up 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times between the two and the Legacy is a slight improvement. If I was satisfied with whatever get-up-and-go the Cobalt had when it had 34,000 miles when I bought it and what it has now, then I should be satisfied with the Legacy.
I'm looking to buy a Subaru Legacy and am coming from a 2005 Ford Taurus. In terms of reliability which is better? The 4 or 6 cylinder? I know the 2019 model was the last MY with the 3.6R engine. I know I would take a hit with MPG with the larger engine, which I don't mind too much. And how much more powerful would the 6 cylinder engine be? Is it worth it compared to the 4 cylinder?
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I drove my Girlfriend's 2020 Rav 4 Hybrid and shit that things a legit robot it drives itself pretty much. And this is me coming from a 91 Isuzu trooper 5 speed manual I daily drive.
It's such a handsome car, shame about the cvt. Heck, a decently tuned slushbox auto with a good locking torque converter and paddles would make it fun. A manual would be great
I did all of my driving lessons in a 7yo or so Camry, and I severely disliked that car. Everything felt so squishy and soft, it rolled like hell in the corners, and every time I needed to accelerate, the engine had war flashbacks. I can’t hate on them too much though. Are they reliable? Yes. Are they good for commuting? Yes. Would I buy a car like it? Probably not.
I was thinking the same thing haha he likes to complain. its a great little car and it has a lot of technology in it. I didn't really care for the complaining bit. It's far more reliable than the BMW and Porsche he has. 😝
Is it really that bad / boring? I'm considering trading my STI for a Legacy XT due to the road noise and stiffness on road trips, and hey I mean it looked like you were having a little fun at @ 13:32? Like, a little bit ... of fun... I think? lol
My theory is that these types of cars are not manufactured for individuals - these are for a specific economic role, namely Uber drivers. I call them 'Ubermobiles' as a generic term for any run of the mill sedan these days that puts a smooth ride, comfy back seat, and almost unnoticeable transmission/engine engagement as the ultimate priority. Not to mention styling so bland that the only way you can identify the car is by exterior color or license tag.
Fake gears are just to make the driver feel like they aren’t driving cvt. It doesn’t help performance. In fact it decreases performance by taking it out of the power band that the driver is asking for
I've been a petrol head since I was a kid And I Love Subaru's and there cars in my opinion they are the only Japanese car that still has a soul and they stuck to there weird engines and engineering probably better than even Porsche has. I love my 6speed manual Forester 2.5i its not fast but is still a blast to drive handles and is a fun mountain car
@@nowiecoche I had a 2015 and a 2018 with the 6 spd but we just sold it and got a 2015 Forester XT with the CVT I like the eye sight automated cruise control but I miss the manual transmission
My biggest issue with adaptive cruise is that I find myself letting it slow me down when I approach slower traffic rather than moving left and passing. Painful.
@@TedwardDrives Do the EyeSight-equipped Subarus give you a regular non-adaptive cruise control? The Tacoma does, if you hold the switch for a couple extra seconds.
After I filmed and edited this I watched some journalist reviews. You’d think they drove a different car with their high praise. No mention of dull experience. A lot of these folks focus on features and miss the point of the car. DRIVING!
Tedward wholeheartedly agree haha, keep it up. Before covid, I traveled a lot for work and would get to test some rentals. I'd always take the cars out for longer drives to try and have fun, so your review reminded me of that. It's honestly surprising to me how dull most cars are, even compared to normal cars from 10-20 years ago. (Though I will say, driving a Corolla wide open throttle from every stop light is actually pretty amusing, and the new ones are surprisingly planted)
If I wasn't an enthusiast I don't think I would spend $26K on something that's just basic transportation especially that it'll be cheaper if i wait until it's a CPO. About the car how would you like driving it on road trips?
Great POV video. I like how you touched upon the target demographic for this Legacy: not everyone's an enthusiast. Well, most aren't (sadly). So, 'ya know, Subaru probably knows what they're doing with this. I do have to wonder, though, if people *really* like all their controls embedded into the infotainment screen? I've tried it on the Model 3 and, even though that one was super responsive, it's still nowhere near as convenient as just having physical/tactile buttons. It feels like one of those "change for sake of change" and "form over function" things. Also... my gosh, they're still doing the fake shifts with their CVTs, huh? Those shifts don't even feel good. They feel smushy, if I have to use a word to describe them. I cannot believe people were THAT upset about CVTs never shifting that automakers had to implement fake shifts. Sad world we live in.
Thank you! With respect to infotainment screen controls, I really can't stand them...But I have to remember that I'm kind of an old school curmudgeon so I do my best to be fair about the assessment. This one was tricky and distracting.
I have hope for the cross trek. It’s definitely a car that targets “adventurous” people so it has to have some life. The legacy seems to have become the grandma car, which is weird because it used to be awesome. Remember the spec B? Those were a blast
While I hate cvts I hate them even more when they try to act like an automatic transmission. This car is very good however. For the price for a normal person you can’t beat it. It will run forever too. I’d never buy it... but it’s good.
They are selling their vehicles on safety, but they drop in a big glary touchscreen? I don't know if it's just the camera, but I can't see anything on there, except for that annoying glare. At least that will keep you from falling asleep at the wheel.
I drive a 2018 cruze, the cvt is teeeeerible. I hate it. I had a 2015 with a 6spd manual and I loved it, I could shift faster in that then my new cvt does.
Give it ten years and self-driving tech will get to be really good. You won't ever stop people texting and driving no matter what. And drivers have always been distracted one way or the other. So the better fix is to make the cars better.
For me, the better solution is to completely revamp this country's public transportation system so that these people can actually text and be distracted without endangering other people. Yet, self-driving cars will still exist even with this solution anyway because improved tech and attractive marketing. It may be better in the future, definitely, but I would never trust self-driving cars.
I couldn’t bare to drive something like this everyday, too much tech and such a boring drive.Thats why I bought a 1982 bmw 320i. Even tho it has like 90 hp it’s still a blast to drive
idk if its just me,but the CVT acceleration in my 2017 heavely depends on my foot pressure,if i give it a pump,almost like changing gears by foot feeling,i get faster take off and way less rubberband feeling that ppl complain about,like he said,all the ppl talking hoda accords and more power are the 1s tht tend to drive like maniacs in the city,its not realistic to want 400hp in ny city limits
Your right. This cvt is very sensitive to how much and how quick you get on the throttle. It’s very hard to get it consistent. When you get it right the car accelerates very nice and smooth and the fake shifts feel ok. However too much throttle and the engine just revs and doesn’t accelerate properly. You have to be a Ninja to get it right every time. I have to conclude that Subaru’s transmission is just trash, it shouldn’t need to be this hard. This hasn’t been fixed yet so probably never will.
@@ivojurkovic1276 I dont find it hard to find consistency in my shifting, if anything I have to keep it down to not drive like a bat out of hell,I think alot of hype around CVT is exaggerated by internet,if ppl.just drove cars theyed find its less different than ppl make it to be,but its just my opinion and ima safe driver lol
I have a 2016 legacy premium. It slow yes, is it plain yes, does it job a good job in winter where I live, yes. Did you ever think that ordinary people who have ordinary salaries need something reliable and safe BUT they still might be car enthusiasts but just can't afford what they want VS what they need. I think you generalize to much. I am an import enthusiast at heart (always have been and have had some nice older JDM models with mods in the past) but life sometimes makes you focus on needs over wants. You can get into a legacy for 23K, that's MSRP which no one with a brain pays. For that price, find another vehicle with AWD and same safety record. Camry AWD, more expensive, Altima AWD more expensive. Most SUV's with awd are more expensive. If you can afford a legacy XT with the turbo engine, (or just go for a WRX) maybe you would feel a bit better about owning a legacy. It's an A to B car with safety and decent awd for adverse conditions, nothing more. There are plenty people passionate about cars that can't afford a car they would feel passionate about. Make sense? STI is a specific division of subaru btw. I am in downstate NY btw, so yes, a software suspension on our shitty roads helps out greatly, no need to worry about blowouts from the roads they never fix. Subaru OEM tires always suck. I have a nice set of coopers on my legacy, makes a nice difference in most situations.
....This is exactly what i said in the video. You're irked that I said its dull and not engaging to drive? Those are both true. And i praise the HELL out of it for its tech and price. Did you even listen to the end of the video? It will get you from A to B, but if you made the argument that this is a fun car to enjoy driving on backroads I can't accept that argument. Plenty of other cheap cars are fun to drive. A Subaru badge does not just magically make this an enthusiast car. Make sense?
Not irked at all. Just making a point that there are plenty of enthusiasts out there who can't afford cars that they would want vs what they need. By the way, have you seen the prices of basic cars these days (I am referring to new), most cars are upwards of 18K to 20+K. Not many of those would be considered to be fun to drive by an enthusiasts standards (or people who are passionate about driving). Now, I do take my legacy on plenty of upstate dirt and unmaintained roads, it tends to be more fun there where at least you can use the AWD a bit. Some of the small cars, like the honda fit and similar, which used to be fun before the redesign is now dead. Small cars pretty much have been killed off, which is a shame forcing people into more expensive options or 2wd suv's that are more soulless than the legacy. Imagine driving around a small suv with 120+HP. There are more than a few on the market. Anyway, thanks for the vid. The only legacy that could be considered fun to drive on back roads is the old legacy GT's and or SPEC B's or the new XT, but you are talking north of 30K, ouch, at least for me lol. Everything is about perspective.
I started feeling sick just watching this. The car future for someone like me is going to be terrible, I struggle to drive a 2010's car with an automatic. I have to have a 90s car with a manual to feel goo when driving a car or else its just sick constantly.
He NAILED IT on the nose, there is no other way to describe how newer Subarus drive, just one word, dull. Literally, I had a 2002 Outback, it was so slow and boring, but newer Subarus make that look like a driver's car. 2010+ Subarus have gotten very dull/easily forgettable in their dynamics. When I test drove multiple, they always had a special kind of dull that no other car could match. They're perfect cars for safety minded consumers, but for people who want at LEAST A SMALL amount of feeling, this is not the car for you. That's coming from a guy who drives mainstream sedans, even my Camry and ES350 have more feel and it truly amazed me as they're VANILLA.
Thank you for this! Some don't trust me because they think I only drive GT3's and Mclaren's, but I know my way around a family sedan, and this is SO BORING lol
Ethics of autonomy may become brand based. Will you chose the car brand that always preserves the occupants? or the brand that chooses the least amount of death? We could talk for hours about that. I'll see if I can get an autonomous driving personality on the podcast.
What would be your choice for a "Normal" car under 30k for you and your family? Huge thanks to the Patreon Supporters for making the Channel and Podcast possible
Anything all wheel drive really. I really like the look of the new Mazda 6, but unfortunately it is only available in front wheel drive. The Mazda 3 sedan is offered in all wheel drive, but I think it might be a little too small for me. I was going to suggest an Acura ILX, but that is only offered in front wheel drive as well. A new Subaru WRX (non Sti) goes for around 27 grand, but that might not be considered a "Normal" car. All things considered, this seems like the best option.
A used Lexus muhaha
lol train car choo choo dont drink an drive smoke an fly lol
VW GTI or Tiguan (if you need SUV)
Propably a 2013 7 series
One thing I like that Subaru does is mount the side view mirrors to the door and you have that little window behind the A pillar, unlike most auto makers they slap a piece of plastic there to hide where the mirror bolts up. I feel that little bit of extra visibility is nice since it eliminates one more blind spot. especially nice in crowded areas making turns
If you need to see through that little window you must be horrible at driving
I got that on 2013 astra and its completely useless
i just love this dudes commentary “don’t scare the traffic..”
Honestly what you said about this kind of car “neutering [one’s] need for speed” is pretty spot-on...
Going from a V8 Mercedes to a Prius for my daily really helped slow me down after I got a $600 speeding ticket (don’t worry i still got the merc as my weekend car).
absolutely zero attachment to the Prius, but it’s so easy on my wallet. fuel savings are even better with quarantine, i went from 45 miles per gallon to like 45 days per gallon 🤣
I still don’t understand the hate people have for the Prius. They are pretty balanced, and will even kick the tail with some lift off mid corner haha. All this with 50+mpg and ton of storage space!
...Prius in my neck of the woods are usually in the left lane doing 15 over...
@@TedwardDrives it's just how they look, if they made a 4 door sedan prius with decent styling then I'd buy it. If they made it look good as a hatch back I'd buy it. They made it look like some 1990s version of a 2030 car and it looks rather stupid
@@clover8673 the newer priuses don't look half bad in my opinion
@@lil0of yeah
Hit the nail on the head - this is the car for everyone’s grandparents. But with InstaCart and virtual Bingo, where’s Grandma really going?
💀
Why your grandma driving a Subaru Legacy 😂😂
My wife has a 2016 Legacy, and your review is spot on. The drivetrain is an appliance, not a hint of sportiness, and the steering has no feedback on turn in, but it still feels very stable because of the low CG from the boxer engine. Otherwise, it has great visibility for a modern sedan, ride quality is fine and it's comfortable. It's still a great car because where else are you going to find an AWD sedan that can easily get over 30mpg, with a lot of standard equipment for well under 30k
I really appreciate this comment! It is soooo much safety tech and standard equipment for the money. But its a bit of a drag for anyone who enjoys driving. It has its place in the world for sure!
I got a new one. I enjoy driving and this isn't a great fast weekend car but for cruising in traffic with some tunes in, it's great. It just does what it is supposed to do and the deal I got was amazing.
I am a car enthusiast and I specifically looked for this car when I was looking for my next car. It’s so boring, comfortable, reliable that I basically never have to think about the vehicle I’m driving. I use it for long extended road trips because it will never get stuck in poor weather and it gets reasonable fuel economy. I use it to go to the ski resorts because of the awd. My performance and off road vehicles could never be this practical. If you are someone who needs a fast exciting car you should never be even looking at any car like this, it’s a boring mindless car and it’s the best attribute of it. That’s just my perspective but I feel a couple of people would at least agree with some on my points
If I were to get an ordinary car under 30k (maybe even under 20k), I’d get a current generation Honda Civic Sport sedan with manual transmission. That transmission, paired with a reputable naturally aspirated engine, is the secret to longevity of ownership.
Civic si is 25k and only comes manual 😉
I had an accident in a honds..never again I will drive one .... trust subarus now
I have this car and love it. My project is a Saab 9-3 and this is my daily. It’s slow as balls but the paddle shifters make me forget it’s a cvt and it’s smooth. The Mrs loves it and the awd in the blistering NE Ohio winters saved me more than once. Next up project wise is a 08 TT. Let’s see if that makes me fall out of love with my Daily.
This car is unbelievably good in the snow
Jumping from a modded-to-the-gills German car to a 2022 Outback in December. Eyesight, coming from just standard cruise control, feels like self-driving. Those micro adjustments on a long drive add up. And it's so comfortable. The suspension is unbelievably soft. With the new Subaru global platform, it's also whisper quiet in the cabin; over rough pavement, having driven them back to back, it's more quiet than the ES 300h. The best part: I got it for 31k, and because the hold their value so well, if I ever want anything else, I'm out only a couple of grand.
Strongly considering trading my now 10 year old E350 4Matic (albeit with very low mileage, under 100K KM on the clock) in on a 2021 Legacy Touring. I'm someone who really does enjoy driving. But also at the same time, I'm annoyed at the prospect of yet more repairs, not to mention that for my day to day commute, I just want something comfortable and reliable, not to mention decent on gas. The Subaru seems to fit the bill. I was always opposed to financing, but I know with a Subaru, it'll last me longer than the financed term, and they're popular up here in the great white north for a reason.
@@benjaminbomberg I've had the Outback now for a month since making my last comment and love it! I think it's worth checking out. I haven't driven the Legacy, but have heard good things about it
thanks for making this video - after watching your video - i'm proud to own a 2023 legacy premium
Definitely agreeing with you on the emotional engagement thing. My daily driver is a CVT Civic and it is on paper the best car I've ever owned. It's got good power, sophisticated safety features, great MPG and so on but I am less attached to it than any other car I've had. It seems like each new layer of tech takes you farther away from the pure driving experience.
...bingo. Nail on the head with a 🔨
I bought a 2018 cvt civic and I hated it. Nothing wrong with the car, would probably last forever, but I couldn't stand driving it
@@icannon6611 the cvt tends to have that effect on people. Good gas mileage but so unfulfilling and boring to drive
I've owned a 2015 since 2015 and put over 100k on it. You're not wrong lol. That being said, I absolutely love it. Living in an area where snow can happen 6 months of the year and wanting/needing a sedan that has a solid AWD system, the options are pretty limited. When considering reliability on top of that the options are even fewer. All things considered, it basically comes down to an A6 or this. (GS350 or Q50S maybe but their AWD systems aren't as robust). An A6 with an APR tune would be WAY MORE FUN, BUT, I've never once worried about my windows not opening or getting getting stuck open cause the motor failed, or a leaky moon roof, or the engine mounts failing, or ironically oil or coolant leaks, or anything else. It's been a basic maintenance AWD car that won't quit. Is it inspiring, absolutely fu***** not lolol, no power below 4k rpm and basically none above it either. However, I've comfortably driven through more than a foot of snow with confidence and even helped get Jeeps unstuck. It's a jack of all trades, master of none.
I am considering getting a Legacy . All the road around me are pot holes, bumps and rail road tracks, would you recommend the car for that? I just dont want to destroy it too soon because of the roads that I drive. What do you think?
6:52 Oh my god, I died when you said doppelgänger. I didnt knew americans use that word :D
Ya it’s actually used a lot in America ;) what country do you live in?
@@Ezdrumms Oh, good to know ;). I‘m living in Germany.
@@ScrabbyGames oh cool always wanted to visit:) never have the money tho😂
Good stuff. Glad to see number of reviewers from Mass growing. I also watch this guy AccentOnCars. He is from MA too.
Honestly. It's a low key sleeper with a really laboring CVT. I don't feel fast behind the wheel of my '20 Legacy Sport, but I feel confident in heavy rainy conditions, long distances, higher speeds. The AWD, the entertainment system and safety/Eyesight features make it a money saver and a loaded option. You just won't be racing anybody off the line. Lol
I decided to get the 2021 Subaru Legacy Premium and I’m coming from the following cars: 2004 Ford Explorer (Hand-me down -> totaled - brakes stopped working) and a 2007 Infiniti G35X (Hand-me-down -> broken down in highway). I’m an enthusiast, but I also wasn’t interested in getting a BMW or Mercedes. I contemplated on the new Honda Accord Sport, but living in NJ, snow is not a joke. Seeing many people in their RWD cars get stuck, or even FWD cars, it was crazy; Given that I also used to drive (for a short time - a Dodge Charger), I also got stuck in the snow. I’d then decided that I refuse to be in their position. Also, as someone, who drives their car about 15-20 miles both ways to work and school; I wanted something reliable and safe. I don’t regret getting this car one bit! Even if it’s not fast or sexy as other cars, I’m still happy with my choice. I only fill up about once a week; sometimes I even go as far as two weeks or more and still have about 1/4 tank left. It’s definitely a car I’d recommend to anyone and I love how smooth it is. Sometimes it feels like I’m gliding across the highway.
I own the top trim of the 2020 Legacy with the 2.4 turbo 260 HP/278 lb-ft. I think you'd find it a lot more enjoyable to drive. It matches the CVT better and 0-60 is 6.2 sec not 8.4. It is still a very soft and smooth ride, but I like that feel.
DING! DING! DING! Another great video. I love just sitting back and listening to your opinions on different cars. I would love to hear your thoughts about the Grand Cherokee market, similar to what was discussed in this video. The consumer demographic, what it is really good at, etc. I also would love some more "affordable" sports car videos like the Cayman GT4 you drove recently. Like BMW M4, Shelby GT350, a used Ferrari 430, used Maserati Gran Turismo...
Can't thank you enough Carl!
1:42 I do love the sound of that boxer 4
I have a 2017 Subaru legacy 3.6R with the H6 I love the lane assist.
I love my Subaru Legacy..
For under 30k, I probably will go with a Honda Accord without hesitation. Not sure if I could get the one with 10 speed and 2.0 turbo under 30k though
Yeah you can don’t buy it new. You can get a Fully loaded 10 speed 2.0 Accord for under $30k CAD, that’s like $22k USD. Check Facebook marketplace waaay better deals then autotrader.
Hell no. I will never support them going into the micro engine territory. I drove a 1.5l turbo and fucking sucks ass for two hours ride. When I got out of the car, I walked holding my ass and back for five minutes at a gas station. Horrible ride. Horrible seats. I would never sacrifice comfort for Honda name. Besides, Legacy probably has better resale and will last longer. I see bunch of the old ones still on road, and having owned them in the past, bar none the most comfortable Japanese sedan, on par with Mercedes. If I was in the market for a new car, I would buy a new Sienna. No sedans and no suvs for me. Vans are ugly, but when you drive one for 20 hours cross country and feel fresh, you will never even look at something stupid like Accord or Camry. Camry is even worse. I don't even understand the point of a sedan anymore. At least Subaru puts large seats in em, unlike Accord.
YES10 I like the Subaru fanboy rant
@@Y10Q You're the type of idiot the modern car industry applies to.
I like the heavier shift personally, went from a Chrysler 200 with a nob to a real shifter and it feels great
Got a 2018 for daily my wife use it most of the time .
So far realy nice daily .
Just bought one, i was super excited. My first Subaru until i found this. LMOA. I speed in this car, no problem. Lol. Well i can't be to down because ur being honest and truthful about everything ur experience and is correct on what u say about the car. I still love it, im not a grandma. Lol. Great video, good laughs and good and correct information. Its a good car so far for the price. Thanks for the video.
I can live with a lot of stuff car wise but I’ll never own a cvt.
And it's not like Subaru's CVTs have a good reputation, either.
@@confidentlocal8600 Where did you get that info? The CVTs in Subarus is one of the most reliable CVTs on the market. There is CVTs by Subaru that are still on the roads with over 300k miles
They’re not as bad as they used to be but god are they sluggish.
@@bradleyradziewicz14 yeah agreed. Mine is smoooooth
You're pretty hard on a car thats not designed to do what you want it to do.
How so? I compliment all of the features and abilities of a car at this price point. Honda manages to build cars that are fun to drive and have these features. I don't need it to be a Porsche. But it doesn’t need to be a sedative experience
@@TedwardDrives Its supposed to be a relaxed, comfortable and safe family car. Would you criticise a Rolls Royce because the ride was too comfortable and sedative?
@@TedwardDrives Hondas suck.
CVT...damn those things
I drive a lot of these cars for work and I own a 2018. This new generation of Legacy has once again gotten more boring and soft. It is also more refined. Subaru has been chasing the mainstream market for years in order to drive up sales and it has worked. The days of a quirky, fun, AWD car you can slide around are gone and have been since 2009. I was excited about the new generation (2020) but I was disappointed with it. The steering has less feel and is lighter than my 18. Every year Subaru's CVT tuning seems to make the cars feel slower and there is no power. The new touchscreen is horrible, slow, and unresponsive. That being said the turbo model is fun (especially in the snow). My 18 is no sports car, it drives like a Camry, but throw a rear swaybar in it and chuck it down a backroad or dirt road and you can have some fun. The technology in these cars is unbeatable for the price point and as a relaxing AWD daily, they work well.
Totally agree. I don't even need this to slide around...or even be FUN. I just feel like I've taken a heavy sedative when I drive it. It's mind numbing in a way that I have not experienced in a car for a very very long time.
The Emasculator! Haha.
It is funny to be viewing the dash and wheel from your perspective inside the car and it is like I am in my 2015 STi. I need to drive one now to really appreciate my car!
--Michael
Your STI will feel like a GT3RS in comparison so definitely go take this out for a spin
Tedward I am sure. I drove my friend's Outback and thought it was charming and solid. Then I got back in my car and was like," Oh, this is what I want and desire. The Outback is what I need day to day."
Trade it if you aren't happy with it. Your freeway driving needs some work getting off the exit ramp and speeding up 😂 you made me grab my computer slow down haha. Great content man I personally don't mind this car it is reliable and you are right it will get you to where you need to go that is somewhat the point of cars lol. I love cars and driving but when it comes to safety and what's going to keep me on the road Subaru hands down will keep us safe. Keep up the great work!
Oh I don't own this...its just a tester from the manufacturer. New cars every week!
No no no no, the onramp is constructed specifically for acceleration. You merge at the speed of traffic on the highway or you stay of the highway!
He's not even pushing it, you cant hear the tires. This is how people should drive.
Actually, I am a grandma, but, I have a 50 mile commute, and I bought this car because of its technology and mileage. Grandma got too many speeding tickets in her manual 5 speed Corolla which was a demon when you hit the gas .😂😂🤣🤣
i own the 2019 version. i bought it using the same reasoning i bought a refrigerator. it is an appliance. end of comment.
Just one note on the Eyesight big cancel button thing. It's fine dude. The button is top right right under your thumb if you need to cancel it. I use Eyesight every opportunity I can and it's a great system. You do need to finesse it a little (it likes to "remain stuck to the car" in front for a little too long even if they are moving into another lane or off ramp) but that comes with experience.
Sold me on the Sub. Great info, great personality and honesty. I will share this channel. Thanks again.
"Love to Live and Live to Love"
JB
I have this car, and I will say, if you want to make any boring car enjoyable, you should play some Eurobeat music. Instant 40 hp increase
Ever watched Office Space? This is the car that Milton would drive.
This guy is harsh AND honest...that being said he alone makes me want to buy a Subaru.
Thoughts on the Impreza? Both being relatively low end Subarus I feel like they might be similar. I’ve been looking at a 5 speed Impreza of the same year and I’m worried that they might be similar in the driving department. Debating between the civic hatch of that year or the Impreza
Im shocked and happy with how fast the technology is coming along!
Are you from CT? that neighborhood is giving nostalgic feeling when I visit my family in CT
Mass but very similar to CT roads
I actually think it was a smart move by Subaru to keep the Legacy’s overall character more conservative. I think with a lot of midsize sedans trying to get more and more sporty and athletic, there could be a subset of disaffected buyers out there who owned, say, an older Camry and are put off by the some of the newer entries in this segment. However, in this class, I’d personally go for either an Accord or a Mazda6. I wish Subaru would just slightly improve some aspects of this car. Make the handling slightly better but still keep the comfy ride, make the infotainment slightly more responsive and easier to use, make the safety tech slightly less overactive and intrusive. But hopefully these are all things they’ll address in a mid-cycle update.
Would be cool if you tried the XT version of this car! In order to compare the smoothness, accelerations, ect.
*moves shifter*
'CLANK CLANK CLANK'
My outback does that. It was absolutely scary at first to hear such a noise when shifting gears, but Im used to it now. Its kind of nice now lol
haha it was shocking! Glad to hear you have the same experience.
Its like a musical instrument 😂😂😂
Nice I like it great work.
Thanks!
The only thing that bothers me about these self-driving features and safety suites is that they may end up encouraging complacency. Distracted driving is never safe and yet these features might make people think it’s okay to hit the gram when they’re behind the wheel. Until the insurance policy is billed to the car and not the driver, people need to be taking ownership of what their car does
A cheap car with a good ride. Unheard of. God I miss the 80s. Cars were still all smooth and soft.
Nice video! I would get an Accord with the 1.5t with a manual. It won’t exist for much longer, unfortunately. The Accord drives so well. I was stunned when I got to drive one. There is some rev-hang but I can’t even list all of the things I love about it. Driving position is super nice and low, super comfortable, super sharp handling for what it is, great visibility, great steering, and a cavernous interior. The 1.5t is a great engine. One of the few turbo engines in its class that likes to rev. Keeps pulling past 5k. It was the biggest surprise for me last year.
Edit: Honda managed to integrate self driving tech into the manual Accord. It's stunning how much thought went into the current gen Accord.
.... and then, just like that, they killed the manual option.
On one hand...
I would rather drop that money on a 6-speed manual Toyota Corolla from 1998 or so, and get everything fixed all the way, and maybe even get it re-painted as maroon or navy blue with a hydrophobic coating, and totally be able to get it fixed for cheap. Recently I drove a 6-speed automatic Corolla '98, and it had an incredible transmission. It up-shifts within 1,5 seconds or so, and the 1,6 liter engine was unbelievable in terms of power.
On the other hand...
Forget it, I will not ever own a fresh new car. I don't mind fancy stuff, but there's probably only one place to get it fixed and maintained, and I don't like the stories I've heard about CVTs. If I wanted an automatic, I'd get a traditional one.
I’ve found small hybrid, ev, are sorta, sorta, fun as calming exercises kinda yoga but still want something other than autonomous.
Wish you drove it in the snow for the test. I think you would put in through some good tests.
This guy don’t even know what he wants to say. He kept contradicting himself. Let me tell you, the Legacy was never meant to be a sports car and you are not even driving the XT model. You only talking about bad about this car because it has a Subaru LOGO, if I tell you to close your eyes and put your BMW LOGO on the front you probably would say OMG what a car.
Great tech for money. No driver engagement. Where’s the contradiction? And I have criticized plenty of bmws for numb steering and spikey powerbands. I’m not a fanboy so don’t try to pin the bmw crap on me
Tedward l like the challenge and it’s no biggie, speak your mind just like I did mine. Subaru is the only car company I know that have AFFORDABLE cars for every occasions. You want a track car? Well there’s an STI, not enough? Then there’s the S209. There’s the Ascent for big families and outback and forester for smaller families. I opted for the Legacy Touring XT because it give me best of both world. AWD feature pack and the new FA24 Turbo is pretty fast. 5.9 seconds to 60 and 14.7 seconds at 98.4 MPH in my testing. You should test drive the XT MODELS and see for yourself. Wish you well!!!
I will but I can only review the car I’m driving. When I get the XT I’ll speak to it based on that car. Some other guy said “if you don’t like it upgrade the sway bars”. That’s not the point. The point is to discuss the car I’m driving. Not what it would be if it had a different engine, trim level, or mods. I’ve reviewed STIs and spoken highly of them. I have no issue with the brand.
Shake fist to Toyota. Great modernizing interior but HAVC in the screen? Thats no no. XMODE in the screen thats big no no.
I much prefer the three-dial systems where I can activate the windshield defroster by turning all three knobs full clockwise. I won't buy a vehicle where I have to take my eyes or attention off the road to adjust the HVAC. This is another example where cost cutting and "gee whiz" tech take precedence over ergonomics and human factors.
@@confidentlocal8600 anything but non physical digital HVAC Control I hate.
I have this car and it’s a great car
I'm getting set to buy a 2021 Premium. I sure hear a lot of bitching about how "slow" they are. I'm coming from a Cobalt 2.2 with over 261,000 miles on it. I'm sure a brand new 2.5 Legacy will blow the doors off my Cobalt. I looked up 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times between the two and the Legacy is a slight improvement. If I was satisfied with whatever get-up-and-go the Cobalt had when it had 34,000 miles when I bought it and what it has now, then I should be satisfied with the Legacy.
Please upload in 60 fps! Otherwise great work!
The dash flickering was even worse in 60fps so I made the call to go 30. Thanks!
It's such a shame that Subaru uses such engines in combination with CVTs.
I agree. Wouldn't it be great if they brought back the Legacy GT with a turbo and the option for either a DCT or manual transmission.
Ruben Haftvani they actually brought a new legacy gt back as a legacy xt too bad its cvt as well though :(
... GT (or XT) wagon w/6spd is where it's at with Spec-B flare thrown in for good measure
I'm looking to buy a Subaru Legacy and am coming from a 2005 Ford Taurus. In terms of reliability which is better? The 4 or 6 cylinder? I know the 2019 model was the last MY with the 3.6R engine. I know I would take a hit with MPG with the larger engine, which I don't mind too much. And how much more powerful would the 6 cylinder engine be? Is it worth it compared to the 4 cylinder?
me: *finds channel*
me: "i-is that a mass plate?"
me: *realizes ive seen his 911 100's of times*
me: " HOLY SHIT OH MY GOD JINBOSFDBJSN LGJSHNLKSBIGLBSLBNSBG"
Haha no way!
Love the video 👍🏽
Thanks Mick!
I have 2009 VW passat cc and it also has adaptive cruise control and lane assist that drives itself for like 15 seconds or so
I drove my Girlfriend's 2020 Rav 4 Hybrid and shit that things a legit robot it drives itself pretty much. And this is me coming from a 91 Isuzu trooper 5 speed manual I daily drive.
It's such a handsome car, shame about the cvt. Heck, a decently tuned slushbox auto with a good locking torque converter and paddles would make it fun. A manual would be great
A manual would breathe some life into the driving experience.
I did all of my driving lessons in a 7yo or so Camry, and I severely disliked that car. Everything felt so squishy and soft, it rolled like hell in the corners, and every time I needed to accelerate, the engine had war flashbacks.
I can’t hate on them too much though. Are they reliable? Yes. Are they good for commuting? Yes. Would I buy a car like it? Probably not.
I have no idea what this guy is talking about, I have a 17 legacy and you can definitely hang them out
I was thinking the same thing haha he likes to complain. its a great little car and it has a lot of technology in it. I didn't really care for the complaining bit. It's far more reliable than the BMW and Porsche he has. 😝
It's a mellow car.
Best review I’ve ever seen
I think senior citizens would love it.
Is it really that bad / boring? I'm considering trading my STI for a Legacy XT due to the road noise and stiffness on road trips, and hey I mean it looked like you were having a little fun at @ 13:32? Like, a little bit ... of fun... I think? lol
My theory is that these types of cars are not manufactured for individuals - these are for a specific economic role, namely Uber drivers. I call them 'Ubermobiles' as a generic term for any run of the mill sedan these days that puts a smooth ride, comfy back seat, and almost unnoticeable transmission/engine engagement as the ultimate priority. Not to mention styling so bland that the only way you can identify the car is by exterior color or license tag.
Even if it has no soul, the CVT with the "fake gears" does perform well.... I drove a bunch of subarus last year when car shopping
Fake gears are just to make the driver feel like they aren’t driving cvt. It doesn’t help performance. In fact it decreases performance by taking it out of the power band that the driver is asking for
I've been a petrol head since I was a kid And I Love Subaru's and there cars in my opinion they are the only Japanese car that still has a soul and they stuck to there weird engines and engineering probably better than even Porsche has. I love my 6speed manual Forester 2.5i its not fast but is still a blast to drive handles and is a fun mountain car
What year Forester, if I may ask?
@@nowiecoche I had a 2015 and a 2018 with the 6 spd but we just sold it and got a 2015 Forester XT with the CVT I like the eye sight automated cruise control but I miss the manual transmission
I don't know how to feel about this video due to me owning a Subaru Legacy...
Same here. Might I suggest, mildly offended? Apparently my car has no soul and I have no passion for driving. A tad harsh I'd say.
@@leechap3 he’s saying that’s who the car is made for, not everyone who’s gonna drive it
loved the complaints dude! keep them coming
you can turn off the start stop engine feature
Try the 2.4L turbo. Also the fake CVT shifting is gross. There should at least be an option to turn that on or off.
Great review and yep the standard middle lane driver on 495 LOL.
My biggest issue with adaptive cruise is that I find myself letting it slow me down when I approach slower traffic rather than moving left and passing. Painful.
@@TedwardDrives Yep and if there is a small gap in the lane people will go in.
@@TedwardDrives Do the EyeSight-equipped Subarus give you a regular non-adaptive cruise control? The Tacoma does, if you hold the switch for a couple extra seconds.
Be happy he's not hogging the left lane.
Can they program it to stick to the right lane unless passing?
I really liked this review. It's funny to see a car guy (not a journalist) review a normal car
After I filmed and edited this I watched some journalist reviews. You’d think they drove a different car with their high praise. No mention of dull experience. A lot of these folks focus on features and miss the point of the car. DRIVING!
Tedward wholeheartedly agree haha, keep it up. Before covid, I traveled a lot for work and would get to test some rentals. I'd always take the cars out for longer drives to try and have fun, so your review reminded me of that. It's honestly surprising to me how dull most cars are, even compared to normal cars from 10-20 years ago. (Though I will say, driving a Corolla wide open throttle from every stop light is actually pretty amusing, and the new ones are surprisingly planted)
Give me a 98 Corolla with a full tank and I’m gonna have a good time 😂
If I wasn't an enthusiast I don't think I would spend $26K on something that's just basic transportation especially that it'll be cheaper if i wait until it's a CPO. About the car how would you like driving it on road trips?
Nice appliance
Great POV video. I like how you touched upon the target demographic for this Legacy: not everyone's an enthusiast. Well, most aren't (sadly). So, 'ya know, Subaru probably knows what they're doing with this.
I do have to wonder, though, if people *really* like all their controls embedded into the infotainment screen? I've tried it on the Model 3 and, even though that one was super responsive, it's still nowhere near as convenient as just having physical/tactile buttons. It feels like one of those "change for sake of change" and "form over function" things.
Also... my gosh, they're still doing the fake shifts with their CVTs, huh? Those shifts don't even feel good. They feel smushy, if I have to use a word to describe them. I cannot believe people were THAT upset about CVTs never shifting that automakers had to implement fake shifts. Sad world we live in.
Thank you! With respect to infotainment screen controls, I really can't stand them...But I have to remember that I'm kind of an old school curmudgeon so I do my best to be fair about the assessment. This one was tricky and distracting.
I prefer Honda Sensing. I have it on a Honda Jazz and a Honda StepWagon. Try a 8 hour road trip. It eliminates driver fatigue.
Looking forward to getting some Honda testers for this exact reason
Tedward I could do a video in August. I’m up for it!
Really hope the new 2.5L crosstrek isn’t going to be as boring... I’m now having second thoughts on getting one haha
I have hope for the cross trek. It’s definitely a car that targets “adventurous” people so it has to have some life. The legacy seems to have become the grandma car, which is weird because it used to be awesome. Remember the spec B? Those were a blast
While I hate cvts I hate them even more when they try to act like an automatic transmission.
This car is very good however. For the price for a normal person you can’t beat it. It will run forever too. I’d never buy it... but it’s good.
The CVT will be toast well before it starts burning oil.
They are selling their vehicles on safety, but they drop in a big glary touchscreen? I don't know if it's just the camera, but I can't see anything on there, except for that annoying glare. At least that will keep you from falling asleep at the wheel.
I drive a 2018 cruze, the cvt is teeeeerible. I hate it. I had a 2015 with a 6spd manual and I loved it, I could shift faster in that then my new cvt does.
The cruze doesn't have a cvt. It has either a 6/9 speed auto, or a 6 speed manual.
Give it ten years and self-driving tech will get to be really good. You won't ever stop people texting and driving no matter what. And drivers have always been distracted one way or the other. So the better fix is to make the cars better.
For me, the better solution is to completely revamp this country's public transportation system so that these people can actually text and be distracted without endangering other people. Yet, self-driving cars will still exist even with this solution anyway because improved tech and attractive marketing. It may be better in the future, definitely, but I would never trust self-driving cars.
i work at a subaru dealership - its 200k with maintenance. quite a bit.
I love subarus and im a car enthusiast lol
Sounds like regular car reviews at 7:47
I couldn’t bare to drive something like this everyday, too much tech and such a boring drive.Thats why I bought a 1982 bmw 320i. Even tho it has like 90 hp it’s still a blast to drive
One of my favorite looking cars! I’ve never driven one but my neighbor had one for years when I was growing up. Loved it
You must live in an area without snow, because anything that old would be a rust heap at the junkyard by now in this area!
idk if its just me,but the CVT acceleration in my 2017 heavely depends on my foot pressure,if i give it a pump,almost like changing gears by foot feeling,i get faster take off and way less rubberband feeling that ppl complain about,like he said,all the ppl talking hoda accords and more power are the 1s tht tend to drive like maniacs in the city,its not realistic to want 400hp in ny city limits
Your right. This cvt is very sensitive to how much and how quick you get on the throttle. It’s very hard to get it consistent. When you get it right the car accelerates very nice and smooth and the fake shifts feel ok. However too much throttle and the engine just revs and doesn’t accelerate properly. You have to be a Ninja to get it right every time. I have to conclude that Subaru’s transmission is just trash, it shouldn’t need to be this hard. This hasn’t been fixed yet so probably never will.
@@ivojurkovic1276 I dont find it hard to find consistency in my shifting, if anything I have to keep it down to not drive like a bat out of hell,I think alot of hype around CVT is exaggerated by internet,if ppl.just drove cars theyed find its less different than ppl make it to be,but its just my opinion and ima safe driver lol
I have a 2016 legacy premium. It slow yes, is it plain yes, does it job a good job in winter where I live, yes. Did you ever think that ordinary people who have ordinary salaries need something reliable and safe BUT they still might be car enthusiasts but just can't afford what they want VS what they need. I think you generalize to much. I am an import enthusiast at heart (always have been and have had some nice older JDM models with mods in the past) but life sometimes makes you focus on needs over wants. You can get into a legacy for 23K, that's MSRP which no one with a brain pays. For that price, find another vehicle with AWD and same safety record. Camry AWD, more expensive, Altima AWD more expensive. Most SUV's with awd are more expensive. If you can afford a legacy XT with the turbo engine, (or just go for a WRX) maybe you would feel a bit better about owning a legacy. It's an A to B car with safety and decent awd for adverse conditions, nothing more. There are plenty people passionate about cars that can't afford a car they would feel passionate about. Make sense? STI is a specific division of subaru btw. I am in downstate NY btw, so yes, a software suspension on our shitty roads helps out greatly, no need to worry about blowouts from the roads they never fix. Subaru OEM tires always suck. I have a nice set of coopers on my legacy, makes a nice difference in most situations.
....This is exactly what i said in the video. You're irked that I said its dull and not engaging to drive? Those are both true. And i praise the HELL out of it for its tech and price. Did you even listen to the end of the video? It will get you from A to B, but if you made the argument that this is a fun car to enjoy driving on backroads I can't accept that argument. Plenty of other cheap cars are fun to drive. A Subaru badge does not just magically make this an enthusiast car. Make sense?
Not irked at all. Just making a point that there are plenty of enthusiasts out there who can't afford cars that they would want vs what they need. By the way, have you seen the prices of basic cars these days (I am referring to new), most cars are upwards of 18K to 20+K. Not many of those would be considered to be fun to drive by an enthusiasts standards (or people who are passionate about driving). Now, I do take my legacy on plenty of upstate dirt and unmaintained roads, it tends to be more fun there where at least you can use the AWD a bit. Some of the small cars, like the honda fit and similar, which used to be fun before the redesign is now dead. Small cars pretty much have been killed off, which is a shame forcing people into more expensive options or 2wd suv's that are more soulless than the legacy. Imagine driving around a small suv with 120+HP. There are more than a few on the market. Anyway, thanks for the vid. The only legacy that could be considered fun to drive on back roads is the old legacy GT's and or SPEC B's or the new XT, but you are talking north of 30K, ouch, at least for me lol. Everything is about perspective.
I started feeling sick just watching this. The car future for someone like me is going to be terrible, I struggle to drive a 2010's car with an automatic. I have to have a 90s car with a manual to feel goo when driving a car or else its just sick constantly.
He NAILED IT on the nose, there is no other way to describe how newer Subarus drive, just one word, dull. Literally, I had a 2002 Outback, it was so slow and boring, but newer Subarus make that look like a driver's car. 2010+ Subarus have gotten very dull/easily forgettable in their dynamics. When I test drove multiple, they always had a special kind of dull that no other car could match. They're perfect cars for safety minded consumers, but for people who want at LEAST A SMALL amount of feeling, this is not the car for you. That's coming from a guy who drives mainstream sedans, even my Camry and ES350 have more feel and it truly amazed me as they're VANILLA.
Thank you for this! Some don't trust me because they think I only drive GT3's and Mclaren's, but I know my way around a family sedan, and this is SO BORING lol
How would an autonomous vehicle handle a choice between hitting a bridge abutment or a loaded school bus?
Ethics of autonomy may become brand based. Will you chose the car brand that always preserves the occupants? or the brand that chooses the least amount of death? We could talk for hours about that. I'll see if I can get an autonomous driving personality on the podcast.
did it have rear seat air vents?