Everything We Learned AFTER Baby Reindeer
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- This story just won't end. For this video, WatchMojoUK uncovers Everything We Learned AFTER Baby Reindeer. We're looking at criticisms of Netflix, the show's fallout, and the real woman behind Richard Gadd's harrowing stalker, Martha Scott. Could Netflix have done more, or are those internet sleuths to blame for violating a woman’s privacy? Let us know your thoughts.
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The Worsrt Interview that i ever see
SHAME ON YOU TalkTV, SHAME ON YOU
I'm 🇨🇦 First full interview I watched with him. I think he should be embarrassed. There was no need to talk down to her. He didnt interview if you ask me he treated her like she was a hostile witness. 💯🇨🇦
I thought it was a great interview. I also thought she was lying.
@@sueb4821She literally was a hostile person who lied several times throughout. He was actually gentle with her
You know the part where Martha slams her fists on the table and yells "Someone hurt you! I WANT NAMES!!" that's what the internet is doing.
the show unintentionally produced more Martha's
I do understand why people want his rapist identified. Predators don't stop. I understand not wanting to open old wounds however, there could have been other victims.
Although because of speculation over who it could be ? Thankfully it might act as a deterrent for this "alleged" predator .
I've read that he's said people in the industry know exactly who he is but he's too high up and powerful for anyone to touch him
He should have made the story about him rather then Martha and had Martha the small part fs
Yet he was more than happy to bring up Martha
@@MrBluebirds22by all accounts he has evidence of her misdeeds but conversely probably can’t prove the same for the sex offender
She says she didn’t watch the series but knows all the details and timeline of the story in the show, down to the actress’s physical appearance and hometown (despite also claiming she doesn’t know the actress either).
She keeps slipping up and contracting herself throughout the entire interview. Piers cornered her a few times towards the end. How do people even question the whole story is beyond me. Some details might be exaggerated to make the show more entertaining but I don’t believe her attempts to downplay the situation one bit. The fact that a stalker can get a platform to speak up and try to spin the story in their favor is insane.
Not necessarily. In order to make a legal case she might’ve read the script of the show or simply read details about the show online.
Do you really believe she tracked down the script ( how does one do that?) instead of watching it?
What is on RUclips does not give you a full picture at all. I don't have Netflix. I've never seen it but I am intrigued. She knows alot more about the details and intricate storyline than me!! I'd love to see it.
I’m sorry. She stalked him IN PUBLIC. If she’s on Twitter and Facebook commenting on his stuff, she can’t be mad that the internet found out.
She’s so upset that now SHE is being harassed!
He set her up. Genius move! ❤🎉🎉🎉
I think Martha is completely innocent
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Perfect.
I agree weht yo
iPhoen
Best comment ! 😂
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Dont want to be outed as a predator? Dont be a predator. Its pretty fucking simple
My mom is a lawyer and said she can't sue because they never mentioned her and she outed herself
@@LucyStormbringerLastic Exactlyy. How is she an attorney? is she lying about that?
I agree. Netflix owes her nothing
She’s exactly how he wrote her ahah the story was probably exaggerated, I never took it as absolute truth, it’s made for entertainment and storytelling but I bet it wasn’t far off
Exactly!
I feel like she’s made it worse for herself.. She contradicted herself in the Pierce Morgan interview.
Should not state that it’s a true story then.
@@Chee235 it's *based* on a true story. based😮
@@sinthechestnutit never says “based On” or “inspired by” both the show and Netflix executives confirm “this is a true story” interesting to see if a case of defamation comes from it, she’s no doubt not all there in real life but if they’ve dramatised convictions and evidence then could be a sticky one for them. Baffled me there wasn’t more probing on the sexual assaults
I don't feel sorry for her at all. She's a sociopath. She knows right from wrong. She put him and others through hell. She was a convicted stalker before this. Obviously, the system failed her. She needed help, and they didn't give it to her. Being convicted before, she knew what she was doing was wrong. This is just my opinion. I'm not forcing my opinion on anyone else.
It’s weird how the main protagonist is the stalker yet the rapist gets away with not much of an episode,by the way the lady who played Martha deserves an Oscar absolutely stunning performance 👏🏻👏🏻
Yes and she was not actually ever charged with stalking.
It’s misogynistic
Maybe the goal is not to make a star off the rapist but he should be expose and bring to justice.
@Chee235 Stop it. She was behaving abusive and holding her accountable is not misogyny
@@ElanaVital83I’m assuming Chee was being sarcastic
One thing is clear - at least one of them is a massive liar! I’m pretty sure she’s telling lies.
Richard Gaad said in an interview that he had gone to “great lengths” to disguise the real Martha from the character, so that she would find it hard to identify herself. That’s an absolute lie. The character and the real person are like twins
They look so alike that it’s hard to avoid thinking that Richard Gaad wanted people to find her in real life.
I think Richard said they went to get lengths to hide the identities was to throw everyone off like if people looked, they would be looking at the opposite version of the character in the show and it backfired.
I don’t think he expected this to get as big as it has so things weren’t thought through. My thing is, this Fiona woman has come out herself and admitted it’s her while also saying it’s not her but it’s her? Lol she’s brought this on herself and quite frankly, I think she loves the attention she’s getting.
What she should have done if she felt she’s been defamed was instruct her lawyers to contact Netflix and negotiate behind the scenes about what could be done to help her moving forward.
I hope she’s gets the help she clearly needs and I hope Richard is ok having to justify his truth.
@@gewurztraminaAre you seriously saying there's a shortage of overweight white women??
@@ElanaVital83 It’s sad that you can’t see there’s more to people than just their weight and skin color
Maybe this is what he finally had to do to get her to leave him alone? 🤔
Her voice is exactly like Marthas
That's the idea
Convict half of scottish people then as all scottish females sound the same
@@TheConorsmithusa ha! I guess she could have just copied the real ladies voice mails
So what?
@W1ZY her acting is impressive, wow, the Internet is full of cheery people
The woman is lying for sure. The guilty as hell love to sue. She did out herself in the first place which is on her.
she literally ratted herself out by giving this attention, she couldve just kept quiet but as she is on the show she didnt LMAO
@@deib2719 Also she kept mentioning the allegations on her social media. In a kind of warped way, she seems to be enjoying the attention.
If she’s a stalker she’s going to love seeing him in court. Stalkers don’t care if it’s good terms or bad ad long as there’s contact.
Of course she’s gonna deny it. I’ve never seen a stalker or an abuser being honest.
There’s no arrest or conviction or trial. That is a lie. Man we love hating on women in this country.
Her bringing up lawsuits was the worst thing she could ever have done. It's all speculation till the emails get released..
If the emails don't show she will win the lottery
But also she has no criminal record. She was literally depicted as a convicted criminal but she’s never been charged let alone served time. So I hope she gets paid well.
@@Chee235 evidence?
@@Chee235 You seem to be pretty certain of that. As if you are taking the word of a mentally ill women rather than the Lawyers at Netflix.. Also you realize She changed her last name. There is no public evidence that she did not serve time or that she did currently so you like many people are just making assumptions and speculations.
@@user-uu1ru5de4g no the only part about this entire situation that is defamatory is saying she is a convict. Everything else stated does not constitute any breaking of any law. Pierce had a lawyer on the following day who explained that the jail sentence is the only part of this that would lead towards defamation.
Poor Gadd, it just won’t end.
Claimed to have deleted X (twitter) but she hasn’t and if you look at how many times per day she tweets that will answer who’s the liar.
How many?
That may all be true. But Netflixs mistake is they showed her getting arrested and being sentenced to jail for 9 months. If that's true then she won't sue. If she didn't go to prison and was never arrested than she can sue and win, no matter how many emails were sent.
Her Facebook is terrifying
@@ambergarsia5168 why?
@@michael-4k4000except no, because they never mentioned Martha was Fiona, she did that herself, it could be argued that Martha being arrested and in jail, was a way to protect Fiona’s identity as it was a way to exaggerate the story
On interview she says she has photographic memory but she can’t remember her grades she also mentioned she’s not got an old smart phone but later on she says she has 4 phones and 6 email addresses she uses I do think some parts of the story might have been exaggerated but think she’s tripped herself up on interview
People have pointed out it seemed as if Piers held back a bit. He might have been consulted by a councilor beforehand. He could have ripped into her but just got the facts
I think we are all turning into stalkers I for one can't stop watching things about Martha 😂😂
I’m starting to find the whole thing creepy, we are stalking them and bragging about it, everyone is obsessed with it. Something just doesn’t make sense about the whole thing. It’s got the weirdest vibes
@@laineybell596 I know is it the way they both want it to work? I feel the same stalker 🤣🤣
Never making anyone a cup of tea again.
I experienced a similar situation and based on what I can tell that woman is a covert narcissist.
When Pierce asked a question she called him obsessive. That is an example of DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim Order).
She denies they really know each other that well, yet he knows information she trauma dumped about her childhood 🚩
He's according to her homosexual yet also he came on to her and she rejected him🚩
He needs to "get a real job" yet has done massively "financially well off the show" 🚩
She quit Facebook days before the interview, where she could likely be asked to show her messages. Also has more than 2 phones. 🚩
Grandiose self image in terms of discussing all these important lawyer friends/political career 🚩
Anyone who from her past who has a negative view of her actions and felt victimised by her are the victimisers of her 🚩
His name is Piers. Why do some people call him Pierce? My name is Susannah and I am often called Susan. It's so annoying.
@@susannahhunt100why does this bother you so much? This isn’t about you. But somehow you’re making it about you.
@@susannahhunt100 It was probably autocorrect
She isn’t covert at all. She’s constantly bragging about grandiose things, most of which never happened. She’s a grandiose narcissist with BPD who is very clearly on the spectrum. Very fractured underdeveloped psyche
@@rebeccabaldwin9594 Where have I said this is about me?
It's Gadd's life, his story, why the hell does he or Netflix owe anyone protection or privacy ? If he's libeling or defaming maybe, but if it's all true, then it's not his job to hide them, he is allowed to tell his story. This kind of talk is yet another reason why abuse victims suffer in silence and never come forward. To hell with keeping Fiona private, especiallly since she stuck her nose into all of this. I cannot wait to see forensic people tear her and her lies apart.And we should know the name of this producer, because as an actor I'd like to know who the hell I don't want to work with.
Scrolling through the comments. It pisses me off that people don’t know the difference between something being “Based on a true story” vs the bland “The true story”
IF she wants her tweets to be private she, or anyone else, should NOT speak or write on a public forum. (and then complain when everyone listens or identifies them).
Her information/tweets were 'Out In The Public Domain!'. Therefore, they're no longer private! Even she knows that.
Fiona is such a fitting name
...that's what a psycho stalker would say.
She outted herself, she’ll ride on the back of the series for her own 15 minutes of fame. Let’s not forget this wasn’t the first time she had been accused.
She really needs locked up. To think she was 34 when she was stalking the mp. Then in her 50s when she was stalking Richard. Absolute madness. She needs mental health help.
There is no record of an arrest or jail time. How is it a true story with no evidence of jail?
@@HopeColitz-qc9ghIt's like 50% true to give the story some "good ending" 😂
@@HopeColitz-qc9gh
Is it really that what is important?... or were you led to believe that the arrest is what matters in the whole story? or that she didn't drink Diet Coke but lemonade? What do you think should be important here?
The woman is a stalker. For a victim of stalking, there is no small or big crime... it is devastating.
Sadly stalkers who cause so much grief and pain never go to jail unless they kill someone and they have done it.
If she is mentally ill she needs protection. No to be exposed in Piers show.
@@HopeColitz-qc9ghshe was struck off for her stalking previously. She has a criminal record. Richard Gadd has stated that he never pressed charges because he didn’t feel right about it since she’s mentally ill.
Made me giggle when bbc said it would have never happened with them did they no keep jimmy savle pot kettle
You could tell for a nano second that the female journalist knew she was talking BS - let’s also add into that Hugh Edward’s and Martin Bashir
This is English but not United States English
One thing we learned after: They hired an actress that looks so much like her they could be sisters.
The voice, too..spot on!
@@Meg-A-Saurus , exactly.
Daughter perhaps?
@@fargotua13 , also would be a possibility.
the actress doesn't look like her at all.
The acting maybe. that is the point.
Foley has absolutely no chance of legal action against Netflix. If people accused him of being a rapist because he looks like the actor in the show and is friends with gadd. How could Netflix have done anything about foley?
I think a few things should have brought up in the interview, for example she said she didn't even know where he lived but later on she says she sent him 1 letter, for which she would need his address.
Also why hasn't anyone looked up if her arrest warrants were real? She said she had never been convicted for anything, in the show it says she already did 4.5 years for a previous charge and then did another 9 months later. But that should have been easy to fact check for Pierce🤷🏼♀️.
The letter could be sent to his workplace; pub or theater. Morgan showed few tweets in where she is asking Gadd if he received the letter.
If you don’t wanna be known a particular way then don’t behave as such. Simple as that.
Was everything Gaad said she was , totally fake, has a story for everything.
You can blame whomever you want for not holding their identities back but at the end of the day people were going to find out with such a powerful story. I think it's funny people like the podcasters trying to say hey, it's ok for a predator to be out there cause we just don't want hurt their feelings. I mean the interview with Piers, wholly crap she's delusional. I mean right out the gate she said she hasn't watched it but we all know that isn't true. The interview didn't help her in anyway at all. Stop trying to blame Netflix. Gadd, or the internet when the real issue is she did what she did, the producer did what he did, and they are the predators to blame for their behavior.
The only thing they may nail Netflix on is the "this is a true story" claim, given that they've fictionalized several things (like imprisonment).
"Don't try to find them!" he said... "Sounds like a challenge" The internet replied.
If it was the otherway round Martha wouldn't be described as 'mentally ill' they'd be a 'sick pervert'
He chose not to reveal her identity, but it is hardly a crime for him to reveal the identity of his stalker. Where the fuck is the media's duty of care towards the vicim, why care so much about the perpetrator's feelings. He has the right to have named her if he wanted to. At least if something happens, people know where to look for him, in Fiona's basement if she has one...
I agree!!
Just finished the series whichI watched on Critical Drinker's recommendation. Wow. I think the creator and Netflix treated the perpetrators' identities in a responsible manner. My only beef with Netflix was their sanctioning of a sub-Saharan casting choice for Cleopatra in what was supposed to be a documentary. That's what's brought them the most heat.
She loves the attention.
I mean... can't this be easily resolved with a true background check on real martha?? Did she not actually serve time for either stalker ships we've heard of her doing?
Bad, bad, bad Piers, just another narcissist given air time. She outed herself.
She outed herself and ran to the press. Netflix didnt out her. She did that and shouldnt be held liable
They tried to hide the real character's identities. The actual stalker looked exactly like the actress playing her.
She is human and deserves empathy and compassion. Even more so, if true.
No, she doesn’t.
Stalkers just want attention, whether it is good or bad, it feeds them. Look at her now soaking in it. Disgusting. Xx
8:47 This one fact should be enough to invalidate her entire argument.
Holy shit I just saw her Twitter she tweets with the weird misspellings just like on the show. Her Twitter is wild she’s bonkers.
It would be pretty wild if the truth came out, and it turned out he made most of it up.
Mental woman ! She should leave him
Alone now! Horrible person, it require so much courage from him to speak about it. She should go to a psychiatric hospital.
Psychiatric hospital not much use with personality disorders I'm afraid, there isn't any medication for it as it is a developmental disorder in nature.
If she has as I suspect NPD then the only treatment is long term talk therapy and the outcomes for that are low (I think like less than 1 in 5). . The outcomes are even lower if she has ASPD (psychopathy/sociopathy).
Best thing would be court appointed therapist visits and a general shunning by society to kick her ego into gear. Barring that a jail cell
It wasn’t all we’ve learnt since. We’ve learnt that she stalked Kier Starmer too. That she was indeed sacked from a law firm after just a few days for inappropriate behaviour. That the owner was so worried about her staff’s safety, she issued them attack alarms. We also learnt that she lies as she breathes, contradicting herself time and again, and that she loves attention.
We know the voice messages must be true because Jessica’s portrayal of Fiona was so spot on it was uncanny - the way she speaks and breathes and writes, all as he portrayed them.
We learnt, I think, that Fiona is dangerous and unwell and needs professional help. She is a stalker. And she is making herself famous off this quite deliberately, using her fame to further harass her victim.
Scary stuff.
Imho
She certainly displays as a Sociopath and WILL USE ANY slight change or inaccuracy in the story to claim she's being 'victimised' rather than admit all the factual stuff.
I want her to prove the "internet sleuths" who tracked her down and gave her death threats! Where is the proof?
She already said in an interview she knew it was her many years earlier with Gadds stage show!
* She came forward first! Remember?
She claims she was "FORCED" to come forward.
She hasn't proved who forced her!
Piers just took it on her word that what she said was true.
What she said about Internet sleuths and the death threats, I mean.
So the rapest is still free and living his life happy knowing what he did to a kid. Back then Richard was young when it all happened.
He wasn't a 'kid"...he was an adult...an adult with a problem.
@@catrionamacfarlane4949 they guy was like 21 or something. Legally adult but still a kid to me.
It's funny how people do wrong and get all mad about it when it comes out...
To me Donney's story, his feelings, thoughts, actions were more interesting than Martha. But great tv series
This show was fantastically done.
I think she was fake
Ok but if you watch the show he’s a compulsive liar and lies when he doesn’t need to. Seem to be in his nature. Can’t trust either of them
Consequence of trauma, not in his nature. @@Purpleakiindahouse
When here lips move there lies
@@Purpleakiindahouse there's proof of her stalking multiple people, he's a bit fucked but she's way worse like she's genuinely mentally ill
Nope I checked her Twitter. She has tweets to Gadd in 2015
Beef curtains are on the menu in the morgan arms
There is one question I have about the whole show. When she came into the pub that first day, why was she crying? That's a suspensive point that was never answered. In the back of your mind, either directly or not, that point stays with the viewer during the whole show. Where did that anguish go? Was this a situation where one nail was driven out by another nail? I think that this hidden suspense is what made the show so successful.
to me, it just seemed like a ploy. She'd chosen her 'new' victim and this was her first move. His empathy was his doom.
Both of them are broken, and both lack credibility for many reasons. Essentially, NEITHER of them are solid truth-tellers.
The fact that the emails on the show were quoted word for word proves that Netflix didn’t do enough to protect her. I’m not defending her, but they definitely made it very easy for people to figure out her real identity.
No one would have known it was her for sure if she wouldn't have come forward.
But what if, just what if this is some other psycho who is pretending to be the character Martha was based off of. 🤔
I don’t think he did much to hide their identities, he just changed their names and then hired actors who looked like them
I'd like to see some proof on each side
U can find her tweets online that support gadds claim
Her tweets and Facebook posts and then what's came out her mouth is pretty damming that she did stalk him.
Foley looks most like Darriens character. And Gadd didnt deny Foley as the perpetrator, he just stated that speculation is wrong.
Everyone talks about be careful what you put on the internet. If it really is that easy to get this info why has no one screenshotted any of these liked pics on his FB page or any of the tweets or emails. I understand the voicemails and text messages you aren't going to get without being in law enforcement but all the rest should be fairly easy to aquire online if they exist.
@@PriscillaAmal I hardly think a handful of tweets constitutes evidence she is a stalker. If there are in fact tons of liked facebook photos with comments and 40k emails we should be able to find that yet all we find is 10 or so tweets.
Even her last name can be a male first name. Scott / Harvey
She's definitely lying.
It's clear that Fiona puts some kind of facade and is quite messy at doing so and behind it, troubled woman. But she's not in jail nor institution, so maybe her foults are not as great as depikted in BR?
He didn’t go to great lengths to protect her.
She didn’t have to come forward and out herself to the world and go on an interview 🤷🏻♀️
The real villain looks like Rosie O'Donnell 😂😂😂
Does everyone know who he is talking about? Who is everyone?
Maybe people who actually knew her and knew what she did. No one else before Piers Morgan's show.
It was he who exposed her identity and encouraged her to sue her victim.. so sad.
Susan Boyle?!
Thts wht i said😂
@@madamery9946 and it appears she dreamed a dream
@@gittin_funky 🤣😂🤣🤣
When I watched baby raindeer frist person I thought of was Susan Boyle 🤣🤣
don't disrespect Susan like that
See was in torchwood
By going public, she took a minor cult hit and turned it into the biggest sensation on Netflix. She's done herself infinitely more damage than the show could have ever done on its own.
Honestly, everything happened after a certain point was his fault. This movie addresses his cowardness and ego.
Frankly, I think both should seek help. Right now, they seem to be caught in some sort of trauma bond. I take anything Gadd wrote with a grain of salt. He's so much more than a victim. My2cents.
If the show is true, Where is Gadds viral RUclips video where he breaks down ?
Also why isn't his name Donnie Dunn lol
bs.. the writer just made a few subtle adjustments so that he could say he tried (to hide who she is). also.. if she has a criminal record, it would be publicly available. No one has produced this. she's an odd duck, but that doesn't make everything he says true.
But in real life did she face charges and get a prison sentence?
Man who gives a fuck about protecting her identity or the other guy? Who gives a fuck? Why should they be entitled to identity protection after what they did?
Go ahead sue Netflix. !! Then ALL the dirt gets aired in court and we get to see exactly how mental this woman is.
Yeah he really hid his stalker, i mean the actress and his stalker look and sound totally different and the job is different too, how did anyone find her.
an all that free publicity
Neh, he wanted people to know who exactly she was and Netflix fell for it.
She’s unwell and did wrong but why isn’t the same effort being put into finding out/accusing the groomer. Surely that man has also victimized more people as well.
he maybe make peach of her and forgive her. but i dont think it the same for her.
she never get jail time in real life. And that maybe the point in these story. 😅
If you claim a criminal offence where none exists you have a case for libel as it is defamation per se - it is inherently harmful to one's reputation and doesn't require proof of damage. That "sleuths" could find before she came forward means they didn't do enough to protect her identity and therefore she has a legal case.
Sorry, but the Streisand Effect is really old and everyone knows what it is. To tell people Not to do something, even something deadly, and some percent will do it.
I thought this show was fictional 😮
I don't understand what's the hype about this Netflix show,is the most wasted time of my life!
This Fiona lady is seeking a large $$$$ payday.
Omg
I dont know why he'd play himself i find it bizarre if these things hes experienced is so traumatising why not use a actor to play the role , ive seen the interview she did with piers and she is very stange woman but im on the fence in how much is real and how much is bost the viewing on this Netflix program i think their both lying i think she did stalk him but he's added things to heighten the story line
re the acting, I asked myself the same question. Why put himself in a situation to 'relive it'? I mean, he wrote it. Then he acted it out in plays and finally, in a TV series. That, to me, is a red flag.
Re acting can help some victims
Because it’s his process, obviously you can’t understand
@@chicken0w044 and you do?
@@nancysavard4322 no, but I’m not judging his process lmao
There are three sides to every story
Desperate for FAME