Palpatine's Point of View KNIGHTS OF REN...(Canon)
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- Опубликовано: 8 ноя 2021
- in the Secrets of the Sith book (canon) we learn about Palpatine's point of view on Anakin, Vader, Luke, Rey, Kylo, lightsabers, Star Wars planets and many other topics and characters (jedi and sith). Today, we will examine his thoughts on The Knights of Ren.
The Knights were very promising in The Force Awakens. I thought they would have a fantastic story in the last jedi and then hopefully in the rise of skywalker. However, sadly, we did not see much of them or their story at all.
Here's Palpatine's point of view of the Knights of Ren from The Rise of Skywalker.
What do you think?
Could the Inquisitors beat the Knights of Ren?
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"Hah, what a bunch of posers. Ancient Sith wannabes, how pathetic. Worshipping Vader instead of me..." - Sidious probably
Bad writing by Disney, Vader is not even the strongest sith lord
' Weak. ' - Palpatine on anything that's not him
Well, Darth Hideous now
@@Tootswilligers Somehow Palpatine Returned 😐
I don't think this guys are the same Vader worshippers.
Well now we need a “What if Watto was the Chosen One?” Video.
Plot twist, Watoo’s wings aren’t how he flies, the force is…
Or watto was secretly a Sith Lord who let anakin go with the jedi to break them?
agreed
What if Watto married Shmi instead of Lars?
oh lord please no!
Palpatine’s thoughts on the Knights of Ren:
“What a pitiful little band”
Exactly 😊👏.
💣BOOM💣
Ey, Why Snoke could not become final boss and explain it with secret cloning technology when Palpatine was brought back into main story so easily
The theory that the Knights of Ren were created by Maul during his time with Crimson Dawn intrigues me
That would be awesome to see
I imagine even Maul would have been disappointed with them, expect for maybe the first Ren. Which brings me to a theory I have. I think that the original Ren was Maul’s new apprentice, but he was secretly planning to find a more suitable person to train.
Knights of Ren were severely underused in the sequel trilogy, would've been truly cool to see the knights of ren training with kylo
Well, maybe we'll learn more about them in new comic books and novels? Boba was pretty underused too in the original trilogy, but look at him now!
@@emperorpalpatine6239
Even then compared to characters like maul, grevious, dooku, boba fett all scene where they were badass while knights of ren just were canon fodder never to be talked about again
imagine a scene where jedi master Luke and jedi trainees Rey and Finn face off against Kylo and the knights of Ren
Exactly I don't understand how Palpatine has a point of view on The Knights of Ren because I don't know any of their names or abilities besides being proficient in weapons. The Disney Sequel Trilogy films are cool but severely disappointing story wise
@@ykim0416 There is a fan animated film for that.
Palpatine- "slapping black Armour on some edge lords doesn't make elite fighters."
So they were essentially untrained Force-sensitives? They could feel the Force but couldn't truly command it as a Jedi or Sith could? Like Donnie Yen in R1?
Kind of, yeah
From what I've seen it seems they can sense the Force and even use it for psychological warfare to an extent, but that's it.
Yet Kylo pulls a trick i have never seen a jedi or sith do. Freezing a blaster shot mid air.
who is R1?
ohh rogue one
Imagine Watto as the chosen one taking down the Sith in a fan fiction along with Anakin as his apprentice
😂 😂 Fr
This needs to be his next joke/parody video.
The Knights of Ren and their creed are explained very well in the Rise of Kylo Ren comics
Its a shame though, we should have seen that in the movies. At least more of them to expand on in the comics
The Knights of Ren are basically a Dark Side cultist group that goes around the galaxy unknown regions looting and raiding planets similar to Sith Maurders. I believe Pablo Hildalgo stated that they are on par with Sith Inquistors.
The Inquisitor vs Knights comment was gold General Theory
I think it would be a really good idea if you see the knights of Ren in the Mandalorian TV show. Mando could be on the outer rim planet and he meets some of them for the first time and finds about their origin.
Will Hasbro ever release the rest of the Knights of Ren for the Vintage Collection? Ap’lek is looking a lil lonely on collector shelves.
I've told my friend this. Knights of Ren were basically the Ringwraiths in Lord of the Rings. Looks cool but underused and basically easily beaten.
Nah hold on, the Nazgul are miles better than the knights of ren. They're actually intimidating and the witchking is pretty great.
The Nazgul were always meant to be a looming threat to illustrate a sense of suspense. They weren't really direct villains. Tertiary at best.
@@changlouriousbasterd9524 they where some of the main antagonist of the first movie. Would’ve been much scarier if they weren’t afraid of fire. What a dumb weakness for a wraith to have, they’re not physically there… how do they even burn :/
@@ItachiUchiha-69 Fire is dangerous to ghosts and spirits in Norse mythology which is what inspired the Ring Wraiths. They were based off of the Draugr from old myth (not the weak ass zombies from Skyrim). Norse Draugr were terrifying and surrounded themselves with cold and darkness. Sunlight and fire was extremely unpleasant to them.
@@changlouriousbasterd9524 if they froze the ground and such 5 of them should be able to put out a single torch wielded by one man. An exceptional man to be fair, but still one man against five wraiths.
This makes the knights of ren sound pretty lame. Oh well, Disney definitely has missed hitting the mark for a while now. The only things they have done and I've enjoyed are things filoni has been a part of.
yup
Yep nothing new
Wish the knight of ren were more adapted with there own story and background but we just got John boyega screaming REY for like the entire trilogy glad the comics went into detail
Just like the transformer movies having the main character yell OPTIMUS 😂
They are read the war of the bounty hunter comics
REYYYYYY!!!😂
He didn’t even yell her name that much though, like he did a good few times in TRoS but in the other two it wasn’t that much. People pretend like that’s all he said the entire trilogy but that’s just because they watched TRoS and noticed he was yelling her name a few times too often.
@@tam2237 he says Rey a lot in TFA
Knights of Ren were absolutely wasted in the series. They could've been amazing.
Like you, I was really excited to see more of KoR. I initially thought that in Episode VIII and IX, their skills would be displayed against the rebels. KoR and Kylo had sooooooo much story potential and display of their supposed ruthless exteriors. It is sad to see that they were just extras.
The best part about finishing a Theory video is seeing a new one just got posted. Let’s go! 💯
Yo thank you for posting more videos lately my guy
A lot of things looked like they’d be cool in TFA. Then Ruin Johnson entered the picture.
Entered the picture and took a thicc crap all over it🤣
Rian johnson didn’t even do anything with the knights of ren that was all jj abrams
@@Dampzombieslayer that was my point in regards to the Knights of Ren… as far as the rest of the things set up in TFA, RJ basically shit all over everything the fans were excited about.
You could leave TFA alone (far from perfect… no world building, Starkiller base, Rey’s immediate mastery of the force…) and still salvage a pretty good trilogy by remaking everything afterwards.
@@williamflowers9435 I agree. TFA was a good film and could've been expanded upon even better in it's sequels. Now it's just the epitome of missed opportunities
I remember them being the most mysterious and exciting part of the sequels for me, then they just died… 😂😭
Boba Fett PTSD
Right 💀💀💀
That was Kannady for me in TLJ
Nah fr and I thought the knights of Ren were the 5 or 6 students Kylo took with him when Luke tried to kill him and I find it unfortunate that the don't use light sabers ☠️☠️☠️
Disney:
Introduces knights of ren
Refuses to elaborate
Kills them off
A Knights of Ren live action spinoff show on Disney+ would be awesome
Watto:
“Size is no mater, if you got the credits. And you want to give me credits, plus a tip a I think, huh?”
I reimagined the Knights of Ren to be radicalized Jedi. They are Light side Force users without compassion and acts in extreme.
When they see someone with Dark Side potential, even if it's a child, the Knights will murder without a second thought. They are cold and calculated to ensure Dark Side never return.
The Knights live by Yoda's quote, "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny." Thus, the Knights of Ren targeted Luke Skywalker as he has once tapped into the Dark Side.
They hold the relic of Vader's helmet because to them, the only good Dark side user (regardless former or current), is a dead one. It is mercy to liberate the being so they will not suffer the Darkness they have brought upon themselves.
That would have been a very good concept they should rewrite the knights of ren to be like that. They could be a extremist group of the light side of the force.
Love your videos
I once had an idea for my own alternate Star Wars universe. A force technique called "Force Tuning." In short, anybody can use the for, they just needed to be "tuned" to it.
It's a very risky technique for both the Force Wielder and the Person being "Tuned." One slip up and either party would get their brains scrambled. So the Jedi of my universe would only take those already pretty close to being attune with the force. This reminded me of it.
What if Watto was the Chosen One when?!
Love your vids
The knights had some of the greatest potential in all of Star Wars and the terrible writing of the sequels let it go to waste. Great idea, executed terribly.
“The Knights of Nothing” is what I call these guys. They could have done so much with these characters, but they were basically grunts. B1 battle droids put up more of a fight then any of them.
'A good death' as in the first ROKR comic explains, is the sacrifice of a loved one : kin, or close friend of the postulant. Killing a powerful opponent would do too: a high ranking military opponent or equivalent. Killing Ren was enough to grant Kylo acceptance, but it was not quite the good death as expected. Since Kylo was also a very powerful Force-user, they accepted his usurpation of the role. Being Force-sensitive is a base requirement for joining them.
As Force users, they may have heightened senses and strength/agility, maybe some resistance to Force-push or mind-trick, but being untrained, it was very limited, putting them above average fighters, but that's it. Their _savagery_ is what granted them their reputation and power. Their equipment too, enhanced with electronics, or containing Force-enhancing artifacts.
There are few good fanfictions telling their potential stories, since the Reylo fandoms is the most productive one story-wise. I know a few writers - including myself - who incorporate them in re-works of TROS/alternate Ep 9. Every possible version exists then, from reformable Knights truly loyal to Ren, to treasonous curs that turn for a Mutinous Hux. I have written a few combinations myself.
(There are also harem versions of them - I don't go there)
So if you properly filter the Sequel Trilogy fanfictions on AO3, you might find some very _very_ interesting stories about them, for they _are_ a fascinating group of characters.
Broo I wanna see a remake of all 9 movies.. where Watto is the main jedi and he just never dies
So he's saying they were warriors with potential in the force but that potential was never fleshed out or developed properly so they faded into legend? Huh why does that seem so appropriate?
The flashback that Rey saw was planned to be the death of Rey's parents for the Duel of the Fates script.
Idea: The Knights were a dark side order that used to be very powerful and wreak havoc, but were eventually destroyed in an encounter with the Jedi. Then, a few survivors(perhaps partially trained students) rebuilt their ranks gradually and they hid themselves from the wider galaxy as the events of the prequels played out. With the death of the Empire, they saw fit to re-emerge and encountered Jedi Master Luke in the process.
"What If Watto was the chosen one?" We need this fan theory
These guys were so cool. I wish they got more screen time, and even a look at their personalities and how they interact with one another. I hope they get more content, perhaps a disney plus series
There is another important thing no one mentioned. Theere can be only 2 Sith. They wont tolerate anyone with potential to usurp their power. Inquisitors were fallen Jedi serving the Sith. Just serving. Knights of Ren fall in the cathegory of powerful symphatizers, serving, but not trying to usurp the power of the Sith. Thats why they were tolerated or even welcomed by Sidius.
Palpatines view of the beta Knights of Ren: training dummies for Kylo Ren
“The boy needs to build his confidence.”
They might be allies with the knights of Stimpy.
I literally met Ian McDiarmid today, he was walking around Manchester Christmas Markets, I think he has a show in town today. I went up to him and asked him for a photo and he said ‘no I don’t do that kind of thing’ and shuffled off. It was totally fair enough but made me feel like a chump 😂
Okay, quick back story about the Knights of Ren if I had total control over it: We start VIII out on a plane, dark figures stand watch as Ren's airship descends. The knights of Ren, all former apprentices of Luke Skywalker awaits Kylo's command, which, to noone's surprise is, that they should split up and go find Luke Skywalker. One of the knights, Kylo's oldest friend Jido, speaks, telling Kylo that Kylo knows of Jido's relationship to Rey, that he once had a vision of her when they were all under Master Luke's training, that he fell in love with that vision and that he could sense her presence If Kylo permitted him to do so through the force. That is Kylo's power over them, and WHY he is their leader: Jido lays a hand on Kylo and THROUGH Kylo Jido senses the force, senses where Rey is and how to get to her. But he also senses Kylo's desire to kill her. He hesitates. BUT Kylo sees his hesitation. The force swells up in Kylo as he holds Jido in a force choke, feet lifted over the ground. "What did you see, Jido?" They spend 8 in that ambivalence, Jido revealing slowly how to find her without wanting to, fearing Kylo might kill her, until Finally Kylo figures out that it is Jido witholding the information. It turns out, that the destination to where Rey is is the same Island as the one where Luke is, but when Kylo finally gets there Rey is already gone and only Luke is left there. That was the reason why Luke whent into Exile. He knew this day would come, the day where Kylo and The Knights of Ren, his former students, would arrive on the Island. He fights ALL of them, and one by one, they succomb to his superior force abilities until only Kylo is left. The two of them fight a battle the length of the one between Obi-wan and Anakin in III and those images are the ones flashing in both Luke's and Ben's mind whil they fight. Suddenly Luke sees the moment in which Ben KILLED Han Solo. The image makes him drop his lightsaber, just like Ben lowered his before Darth Vader: "Go Ahead, Ben. You were named after one of my former masters, the great Obi-wan Kenobi. He once stood as I did, before Darth Vader, before my father, your grand father. He gave Darth Vader a choice, to follow the path of darkness or to lay down his saber. Know this, young one, If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can ever imagine." A silence ensues much like the silence before Ben killed Han. Then he tries killing Luke, but he can't. "I know there is still good in you." Luke says as Ben breaks down before him.
Palpa-Palpa-Palpatine. Give me more Palpatine!!!
Go home Mickey, you're drunk 🤤🍾
@Bully Maguire You're a good boy. You must be in some kind of trouble...
Lord Plapatine, I pledge myself to your teachings, what must I do?
I thought they were interesting, but somewhat wasted. At least until I read The Rise Of Kylo Ren comic which fleshed them out a little bit. Also, they are showing up in the upcoming Crimson Reign comic series set between ESB, and ROTJ, and POSSIBLE SPOILERS AHEAD supposedly will head to Vader's castle.
Soooo Ben named himself after the Knights and their leader? U would think it would be the other way around.
What if the Knights of Ren were other students at Luke's temple that joined Ben Solo in his uprising, such lost potential... *sigh*
I like the idea that the Knights of Ren are not actually a big deal, just something Snoke uses to let Kylo feel accomplished (“Master of the Knights of Ren”) for something Snoke to say “good job” to, earning Ben’s loyalty.
After all we know he humors Kylo at the start, allowing him to wear the helmet, pretending to be Vader, before ultimately revealing his true thoughts on it later. I bet if Snoke was around he might have belittled the Knights at some point as well.
The Knights of Ren, they dropped the ball with those guys. Super cool and under used, total bummer
Hope everyone has a great day!
I was really looking forward to the Knights of Ren. They seemed to have so much potential. They were completely wasted. It was just one of many dissapointments I had with the Sequel Trilogy.
I really enjoyed this take on The Knights Of Ren.
Give us a show with the Knights of Ren and they'd make a lot more sense. Giving them backstory would fill in a lot in the movies.
Ahhhh I forgot about Lucas saying everyone could use the force way before the midiclorians thing. Whats also interesting is the prologue in the New Hope (Star Wars) novelization and the journal of the Whils. Anyways. Lucas said it was like wanting to learn karate or yoga.
Though I did think the Knights of Ren were cool, I think they could've done more with them. I was very interested in them when we we knew very little.
Idk id you already did a video about it.. but can you do a: What if anakin trained Luke?
I love how Sidious subtly roasts the Knights of Ren. Even he thinks they're a joke.
In the current comics the Knights of Ren show up as part of Crimson Dawn. (this was a story taking place between The Empire Strikes Back & Return of the Jedi.) So i guess they were old by the time episode 9 came about & why they died so fast?
You should do a video on what species are more force sensitive.
Hey theory, I have a rare helmet from rogue one. Only 5600 were made its still in the box and I wanted to include you on the unboxing video. Pretty cool find
In the comics War of the Bounty Hunters #5 we see the Knights towards the end. Seems they were members of Crimson Dawn. If I had to guess we will get more info on them via comics now
Yeah would like to see more from them
"Choose a worthy target" is reminiscent of the practices of the samuri (which would make sense) and that of knights and or vikings/warriors of europe. In each case it means to find someone who has the ability and or promise of beating you in a fair or equal match. A good death as you can imagine is one that is found only in combat to the death. It is a simple concept that is even found in many military dogmas today. This is even a truth among certain ranks of the US and UK militaries respectively though not to be confused as a type of cannon for the military practices. It is more of a mantra and or behavioral ideal.
I respect you and your channel but as an old Star Wars fan I do not consider Disney trilogy canon and I hope they will de-canonize it and while doing it make a great favor to the whole franchise.
smh pathetic, well well everyone has an opinion
Cool missed opportunity - Knights of Ren appearing to fight off the Praetorian guards with Kylo or something?
Sooo underused. Was really looking forward to seeing more of them.
The 'Knights of Ren' are George Lucas's version of the '47 Ronin' IMO. I imagine their original leader was a person familiar with the entire scope of the Force but didn't adhere to any 'strict' part of it. This person probably ran afoul of the powers-that-be & was summarily assassinated before he could gain any more power. His acolytes (followers) decided that they would avenge their leaders death by taking up his cause., & much like the 47 Ronin, became outcasts. Adopting the mantra of believing that "The ends justify the means", the Knights of Ren had little regard for life & limb.., especially their own. As their 'ship' was now rudderless, they began a slow spiral into darkness.
Now then, the case could be made that their story would have made for a great movie. And I've got the perfect storyline to go with it. Sadly though, Disney will never give me that honor. They prefer chaos now.
The nights of Rens real job was to stand there and look pretty.
Then get killed easily like royal guards.
- "Maybe he could have like moved a very light object."
Do I have to quote Yoda?
Also: "If he realy, realy tried" => Yoda
These guys and the sith troopers only had like 7 seconds of screen time and they looked so cool.
The Knights of Ren are a group of darksiders that in ancient times were known as the Eternal Alliance . There power were so great that both Republic and Sith feared them and often formed alliances with them instead if making them enemies. Throughout the centuries there influence vanished and power splintered due to infighting and losing important history until someone claiming to be the descendant of the The Outlander known as Ren took leadership . Ren would reorganize them into the Knights if Ren by having the members fight to the death till there was only 6 survivors were left. These 6 would represent the original factions of the alliance(Jedi, Sith, Eternal, Mandalorian, Republic, Chiss) and together with Ren would terrorize the outer rim and unknown regions. Although they never returned to their former glory they were still a threat to the Jedi and rivals to the Sith.
Was so excited to see knights of ren at first. Wish the movies did more with them.
Actually, in the recent issue of "War of the Bounty hunters", you can see the knights being a part of crimson dawn( and also different members which means youre right about them switching) which could mean that they were founded or regathered by maul. "Regathered" because there have been legends about the Knights of ren for centuries, so they must have been there for a long time, maybe they were a much bigger organisation in the past and got divided somehow, which would mean that the Knights we see are just one group out of many. Another possibility ist that the Knights from the sequels just used the legends of a completely other group called knights of ren to threaten the people. But either way, i love them, no matter how their potential was wasted, and hope they will get their comeback and be badass, just like boba fett got majorly fixed after his anticlimactic scenes in episode 6.
They really sound like a dark reflection of the Force Adherent Monks from Rogue One when described as the Book did.
Did they even use the force at all?
My opinion was that they were a bunch of dark hearted bandits, somewhat like the Tusken Raiders, but perhaps focused on the worship of the Dark Side rather than survival.
They could, but not very well. Just in a small amount. At least according to the TROS novelization.
I honestly think it’s a cool concept of introducing an antagonist force group that doesn’t use lightsabers and instead incorporate the use of their force powers into various weapons. They could really expand on the creativity in terms of the utilisation of the Force via the Knights of Ren. Shame they’re on the hands of people who don’t know what they’re doing at all.
@starwarstheory kind of sounds like a Viking Raider pursuing plunder when you phrase it that way. As well as a Good death sounds really honorable, something Vikings also held strong appeal too. As well as using the Force like a Hammer, again, maybe it buffs there battle prowess, giving them strength or better insight, or something along those lines, like a Hammer can also create versus destroy so maybe they could refine themselves in a different way compare to Ways Jedi use it, and ways Sith use it.
The EU Legends has some out there force powers and maybe they were something similar to that. Same with the Nightsisters drawing off a different side of the force as well.
Good death means SMB you got a connection with, family friend etc. and use the dark side or 'shadow'. Comic Rise of Kylo Ren explains it.
Really liked the Knights of Ren concept (my love for the Knight occupation) but it just feels lacklustered...
If only Anakin's wife had tried? What if she had been trained? How powerful would she be?
A video that theory could cover is why Leia beat Luke in the training duel, because it was when Grogu “Reached out” in mando, causing him to be distracted mid duel with Leia
Star Wars Theory, what Palpatine is implying is that there were rumors or stories of the Knights of Ren but the characters we meet in the story are a group of warriors that adopted the name to sort of take in that myth.
The Knights Of Ren got wasted, such a missed opportunity.
I love their designs and they seemed so cool in episode 7. I hate how wasted them!
Palpatine: "Dollar store version of the Sith....why did I hire them?"
You gave me a laugh, thank you.
In an alternate world, Watto is the chosen one, and discontinued Republic credits. He also only used money to siphon information from captives, not mind tricks.
They were standing epicly in IX
thats the fact
I think some are confused, I think if your in that world, a warrior, you would know, either a worthy opponent is just another great warrior or a fellow knight, also I think he just means they made a destructive menacing path towards there goal, not necessarily using the force but brutally..
Sounds to me like the book is saying there was an anchient Dark Side order known as "The Knights of Ren" who were a massive threat in The Unknown Regions. And that The Knights of Ren we see in the Sequel Trillogy is just a bunch of Mercenaries/Assassins that took the name for the street cred that came with it. Thus why they were child's play to someone who was trained in the ways of The Sith.
I like the way all of them look. I was disappointed that they had such a small part. I think they will be in a series somewhere down the line.
I find it ironic that Rian Johnson created the Praetorian Guard for The Last Jedi because he didn’t want to kill off the Knights of Ren, but that’s exactly what J.J. Abrams did in The Rise of Skywalker.
Perhaps there strength was to nullify force attacks. Like the vong. Leave the odds and use brute force to conquer. Just a thought
@Star Wars Theory: To answer your question, the “good death” requirement is that the target must be a person of importance to the applicant. In the comics, they only let Ben join because he’d accidentally killed a friend...but don’t give him full membership because it was accidental. It must be a death that reflects their ideals: pain and death to any and all who cross your path, no mercy. The Rise of Kylo Ren comic do the group more justice than the films imo. Them testing their recruits by requiring a good death makes them more akin to a band of serial killers than the more organized cults like the Sith and Nightsisters. They don’t want anything except to burn anything in their path, and that’s a different type of threat. I would really like a series covering the Knights under Ben’s leadership before he officially joins the First Order.
Yeah just like snoke the knights of Ren had so much potential to be great really interesting characters but also like snoke disney totally dropped the ball and didnt really elaborate on who and what these characters where about leaving it to books and comics released after the movies to give us what little detail disney had came up with for those characters
The 'good death' is explained in Kylo's Star Wars comic (The Rise of Kylo Ren). It basically means, kill someone that's close to you.
I think the Knights of seen were originally a terror- burning their way through the galaxy. But the order was “usurped” and we have what we have now. Palpatine mentions how to join their “failed” ranks.
Palpatine : they look pretty badass, but that's all''
Worthy target is just what the KOR deem to be Worthy or maybe a target their leader deems Worthy..either a Worthy combat challenge or killing someone u have a bond with most likely. This proves either loyalty or capability
It makes it sound like... The ones we saw are not all of them, it sounds like there are many more in the unknown regions
4:10 They just had a good PR guy.
Plot twist: Watto causing constantly using the force to levitate. And mind tricks couldn't work on him because he was a jedi master