I feel like if I invested in this keyboard, my life would inevitably spiral out of control. I'd fall into a vicious chase of ergonomic custom keyboard perfection. 6 months later I''d be under a bridge somewhere, frantically swapping key switches to scratch that itch that I'll never quite be able to reach.
Haha this seems spot on. The more you think of it thought, the more it seems like erganomic keyboards are the way that keyboard always should have been. That + dvorak and an erganomic mouse seems like erganoimc nirvana.
270 USD for the base "ergonomic keyboard" but in order to be FULLY ergonomic you have to shell another 50 USD on top? Damn even keyboards are getting DLCs nowadays.
Nope, because once you stick with a mounting solution you can use them on more than just one machine, unlike these parts which are highly specific and won't work with anything else on the market. Would you sign a contract for a car and later discover that you have to pay for the wheels and the rims separately? It's quite dumb to be honest, but not as much as your comparison though
To be fair you can make your own ErgoDox for less than 200, with tenting and what not. It's not even that hard too. But if you want a turn-key solution, then the price that comes with it is to be expected. Especially for an enthusiast / rare board like this. It's not exactly mainstream stuff.
I wouldn't exactly call it an "enthusiast product", rather a crappy product with hyper inflated price tag... Enthusiast grade keyboards are a tier lower in price and come with more features. But I guess as long as some few people are happy to be milked more than 300 USD, everyone else has to adapt and get bent over, right?
That default backspace mapping makes perfect sense to me. It’s actually how I’ve remapped my MacBook keyboard. Caps lock is redundant in my opinion. Getting used to it there means you can use that same remapping on any standard keyboard and it’s the single best remapping I think anyone can do. I also have one other remapping from the strange symbol key below Escape on the touchbar, which I of course remap to escape. I would probably remap that key anyway now I’m used to it, even if I had a physical escape key because the escape key is just way too far away otherwise.
Awesome. I've been using mine for a few months for both typing and programming, and the ortholinear layout and thumb clusters really help your pinkies that get overworked from using modifiers and backspace/enter. But the price still keeps it a very niche product.
Have my own. Love it. Great for gaming, especially for a lefty who has had difficulty reaching keys due to the staggered key form of non-otholinear keyboards. Do recommend the purchase, especially for lefties who want something to make hitting the R key and others a hell of a lot easier.
@@pasdenom.9062 I know I'm not the one who posted this but I got my ergodox ez about a year and a half ago and use it daily. I sold my other ducky and varmilo keyboards and there really isn't any going back imo
@@jaceb8593 I use mine for about 3 weeks now, I also went from azerty to bépo (french dvorak) in the same time… I started to feel some comfort after 2 weeks. Now I'm still not as fast as before, but will be soon. The keyboard is great, that's my layout that is slowing me, ATM. The lack of arrow keys may be a bit problematic sometimes, since I need to use a control key to get to another layer, which is confusing because I also use a lot of shortcuts and key combinations at the same time… Thanks for the feedback.
@@pasdenom.9062 I put my arrow keys on my layer 2 where my right hand rests. I also set the ";:" key to bring me to layer 2 while i hold it down. My layout is still mostly qwerty but I like putting everything i need right under where my hands are and setting it on a different layer. Here is my layout if you're interested in seeing what I've done. Layer 3 is for gaming. configure.ergodox-ez.com/ergodox-ez/layouts/Ee0wG/latest/0
I also have one of them and it's probably my favorite KB. However, to be fair, I do sometimes use others... the thing is, those other boards are an excellent Model M or ZSA's other offering, the Planck EZ (super portable! So much room for activities on your work desk!). The Dox EZ is peerless. Once you're used to it, it'll be a daily driver or in your top three. Just gotta get over that initial hump. Also, yeah it's not for just anyone. If you're not writing or programming or something like that a lot, then that price is maybe too steep.
Bought one and returned it and got the kineses advantage 2 which feels more ergonomic for me and also have the function keys which are super important to me when programming.
That is one sexy keyboard. RGB underglow, different switches for different folks, more customization than you can shake a stick at, and more ergonomic than Linus' cats. Any mention of the Ergodox Infinity? I believe that one comes with per-key RGB. Plus, there are a ton of options for third-party cables for the Ergodox. Some are braided, some are coiled, some are in really nice colours, and they're all better than the stock ones.
this is so funny - i bought an ergodo ez in 2016 after reading abt all the other ones yall reviewed around that time just discovered ltt and its so funny going and watching these videos abt these keyboards from then feel very vindicated in my decision haha
Been using an OG Ergodox for like 2 years now that I had to build myself. Went with Cherry MX Blues and blank SP PBT caps. It's honestly one of the best keyboards I've ever used.
The writing on the cable is the rating of the wire itself, not the model number for some generic part. I always prefer when it’s included as it lets me know what I’m dealing with and it’s usually a somewhat reliable way to judge it’s quality (so long as it’s not exaggerated). In my personal opinion this makes it a benefit, especially seeing that it’s not all that visible. The connectors are absolute rubbish though, you got that spot on.
Kailh Speed Bronze isn't "crunchy". What an odd description. It just has a large tactile bump at the top of the press rather than part the way down like a more traditional mx tactile switch.
I helped backed the indigogo for the original Ergodox Ez. And I've never regretted my purchase. Even when I had to send it back and get a replacement. Can highly recommend the board to anyone interested.
With all that customisation available I'd like to see another video on this from Taran's perspective. Is this a good alternative to multiple keyboards and Lua scripting for those less scripting inclined?
so cool to see soo much tech sold by adafruit in this keyboard, neopixels, attiny, would love to see the inards. its time to make the janky version with a 3d printer to make the frame. and with all the projectors you got, use one of the cheaps ones to swap the led module with a uv one. i just got my own hence the idea. i am working on making an sls printer kind of deal. any way, that can give you the higher quality stuff you will see from formlabs but with square pixels. have to use a laptop or something to change output to monochromatic, get some resins, etc.
@@CripplingDuality I now have two ergodox keyboards, and none from Kinesis. I would like to try a keyboard with the dish shaped key areas, but I think I'd rather go for a fully custom keyboard than a less configurable one.
If you buy this keyboard and you're a touch typist, make sure to type on a normal, staggered (i.e. non-linear) keyboard every so often, otherwise you'll find it impossible to properly touch type on a normal keyboard again! I exclusively used the Ergodox at work for the first few months of owning it and was unable to use normal keyboards. But I later began to use my laptop at home quite regularly and I'm now thankfully able to use both layouts.
haha i use a redox which is also a split board, only thing annoying about going back to a staggered layout is having one option for my thumb: space. I keep hitting the spacebar when I mean to hit backspace
If you get into the ergo mech community you'll find that there are tons of options at various price points, with different layouts, amounts of keys, and more or less intense columnar stagger. There are so many options, but it's totally worth it. The ergodox is the mainstream expensive option!! And even that is great.
I own two. One is a Ergodox EZ with tilt legs. The other is a self-build from a Massdrop order (super fun to build your own). One as brown switches for office use. The other has blue "clicky" switches for home use. The absolute best keyboard I've ever owned - and I've owed a lot of keyboard is my time. The support for the Ergodox EZ is also brilliant. A year after I had it, one of the switches intermittently stopped working. I emailed them and without quibble they said they will definitely send me a new replacement. The longest part of the support email discussion was if I wanted to switch to different key switches or stay with the brown ones. :-)
@@therealgraeme would you say it's a fit for writing code? (lots of up-down-left-right, Ctrl+key, Ctrl+Fn, Ctrl+shift+arrows, PgUp, PgDn, parans, brackets etc. ). Thanks
@@andiarpo6569 Yes, I'm a coder too (Java and Delhi) and use it at work and home for that purpose. The Ergodox is obviously different, but only took me a week or two to customise the keyboard layout to suit my needs (with only minor tweaks as time goes by). For a start, I type on the Dvorak layout, so the default Qwerty is a no go for me. ;-) The Ergodox EZ website has 1000's of community layouts to browse, clone and customised. Many are tagged with various programming languages or tools.
Wow. Look great for a hand cam on stream. As an artist, I can see using one of the keyboards individually for dedicated switches and macros just for the programs I use. I'd say...the only thing that would knock it out of the park, in the gamer sense, include a dedicated thumbstick for movement in place of WASD. It'd be a neat touch to have more precise analog movement like the left thumbstick on a game controller in combo with your existing mouse.
I've always liked ergodox. It's nice to see them go a bit more mainstream than their enthusiast offerings. I'm hoping some of the features found in the EZ make there way back as included extras on the build your own configs.... Yes I really do just want those rgb lights.
love LTT bc it helped me so much with computer stuff and learned me like this channel is better than my teacher love it and ill allways remember everything keep up Linus!
It would be sweet if LTT did a review for the Keyboard.io "heirloom quality" ergonomic keyboard. About the same price, completely open source firmware, wood body and backlit keys.
I bought a set of the wrist rests when I picked my ergodox ez years ago. I used them exactly once before they went into my desk drawer, never to see the light of day again. For me, suspending my wrists over the the desk surface is much more natural as I've done it with every keyboard I've ever owned. I've been through 11 layout iterations myself, overall for me this is the best keyboard on the market by a long shot.
Omgg yes. Rbg underglow. I've wanted this to exist for ageesss. Instead I've had to have an awful little led strip underneath it with a hole into the keyboard for power and looks awful. I hope the big brands knows for rgb (mainly corsair and razer I think) join onto this trend and make it an actual thing to buy on a normal keyboard
MaraudingMaster ah yeah that looks nice. Doesn't seem like it would have the best build quality and I have lots of corsair things and I like the synchronisation of the products
Jessentis Corsairs have a notorious low build quality compared to regular mechanical keyboards and suffer from shorts or key chatter very easily. They also don’t have a standard key layout so replacing the thin ABS keycaps on them is a lot harder. I can guarantee you this will last you a lot longer than a Corsair. At the expensive of synchronization however.
Can I ask why you want the under glow? I have one of these with the LEDs underneath, but I never turn them on. I got it from eBay rather than having to sort out import tax.
An unfortunate problem that I ran into while dealing with Ergodox is poor customer care. My wife attempted to buy me a keyboard for my birthday, shelled out the money, and was going about the order, then was informed that the shipper could end up charging her whatever they wanted in brokerage fees. With no control and having been hit with brokerage fees of over $100 in the past she decided to cancel the order. The problem came that they didn't cancel the order, they sent back a payment. For any international buyer, this means losing ~$40 in fees. If they just cancelled the payment the fees don't accumulate. If that wasn't enough they proceeded to belittle and throw insults at my wife when she questioned their practice. If this was just an employee it would be one thing, but the owner also took time to send a message indicating their lack of care. Since then I made my own for half the price. Save some money, buy the parts get someone to put it together.
Honestly, I just want them to work at getting ergo both good and affordable. I don't really care about the backlit keys and gaming features in that scenario, really. At least not until ergo keyboards become more developed. Seems like ergo keyboards have been slow in general just to get both ergonomics and ease of use handled and then, secondarily, affordable. Though I know these will always be more expensive until the volume goes up.
I got one for stenography because it was the cheapest option that wasn't always sold out. If you need it for steno, just get one. If you need it for any other reason, just get something else
2:32 They think 9 iterations is a lot? I went through 72 iterations in the first 10 days (including 30 in the first 3 days) of using my Planck EZ by the same company...
If you've got a soldering iron, go for the Ergodox Infinity. Unfortunately you have to wait for massdrop, which could take up to 6 months, then another 3 for shipping, but it's super worth it. Always worth the look on people's faces when they look at it.
There was one that did 5... died during the dot com bust when all the rich dot commers backing it went literally bust. The center had all the standard insert, home etc. plus16 or 18 macro keys, and the left and right side were cupped like the Kinesis boards with a small space inbetween to reduce elbow strain. Each sides pairs magneticly closed together and then both sides would be stood on their ends with the hole with the keys showing facing up and then the middle piece slides in to lock and then it had a nylon strap on the back of that section. Its like razors..eventually someone will build a keyboard which is just one button and you buy 104 of them and 103 tiny cables to put them together
4? haha, no. The future of ergo keyboards is 5 sections. One on each hand, one on each foot and a dental appliance so you can hit the space and shift keys with your tongue.
Just got one of these a week ago. Great keyboard, EXTREMELY frustrating to get used to and to retrain your brain and muscle memory. I've talked to some people with them and they all said it takes a few weeks to get used to if you're coming from a classic layout.
Standard keyboard layouts are silly. Your thumb has lots of freedom to move. It can easily press lots of different keys, if the keys are nearby for it to press: just look at any gamepad. It's very good at operating modifier keys like Shift, Ctrl, Alt and others: hold down the modifier with the thumb of one hand while pressing the modified key with the other. But for that to work properly, the modifier keys need to be mirrored on both sides. Now look at a standard keyboard. There are probably two keys within easy reach of each thumb. Worse, one of them is the spacebar, and it's shared between both hands. Space is not a modifier, so the space key doesn't need to be shared any more than you need the ability to type E with either hand. (Actually, having E on either hand might even make some kind of sense as part of some fairly extreme typing-speed layout, but that's another story.) So by not splitting the spacebar the layout is effectively wasting a whole key that could be used for something else. On standard ANSI (US) layouts you only have *one* other thumb input, Alt. European ISO layouts are even worse, because while you have two different thumb modifiers, Alt and AltGr, neither of them is mirrored so they're both broken for touch-typing. Just because it's standard doesn't mean it's not silly. The Ergodox, meanwhile, is bad for two reasons. One is the price, which is justifiable if you have a well-paid job and you type all day, if you want a hot luxury item, or if you have a relevant injury, but is otherwise a pretty silly expenditure. The other is that it still doesn't give you any analogue input for controlling the mouse pointer on the keyboard: no thumbable trackpad, no IBM Trackpoint-style pointing stick or thumbstick. So you'd spend hundreds of dollars and still be flailing your hand back and forth between the mouse and keyboard every time you need to switch between keyboard and pointer actions, which really is silly. The Ultimate Hacking Keyboard ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/ is one board which does better in this respect.
at first i was like "it looks like someone took keyboards from my old highschool and cut them in half" then he says "it actually looks as good as it feels" and i was like hah he means it feels like shit then i was like oh
Hey guys, are you planning on covering Keyboard.io? it was a Kickstarted open source ergonomic keyboard, currently still backlogged but shipping. Looks pretty good, and costs about the same as the decked out version of this board (but comes with all the goodies).
I purchased one of these about 2 months ago with cherry mx whites. my WPM was maybe 5 on the first day, but after about a week as was exceeding my WPM on staggered keyboards, and after two weeks I could barely use a staggered anymore. This keyboard has ruined me, but I love it.
I would love you guys did a shootout of some of these ergo keyboard options and maybe a value breakdown like you do with GPUs (which I love by the way).
James, nice layout man. Backspace and delete belong togetha 4eva. Linus should have said people with small hands will only be able to reach the first thumb button. Waiting for a more squished layout. There's some cool modified board layouts on Thingiverse.
I feel like if I invested in this keyboard, my life would inevitably spiral out of control. I'd fall into a vicious chase of ergonomic custom keyboard perfection. 6 months later I''d be under a bridge somewhere, frantically swapping key switches to scratch that itch that I'll never quite be able to reach.
That's the thing about ergonomic keyboards. You can always reach :-)
I mean, I already spend enough of my life tweaking .vimrc.
Haha this seems spot on. The more you think of it thought, the more it seems like erganomic keyboards are the way that keyboard always should have been. That + dvorak and an erganomic mouse seems like erganoimc nirvana.
This sounds like it's coming from experience lol. How has your ergo keyboard journey been?
Are you under a bridge yet?
Did he say 32 layers of macro. I bet Taran has already bought 3.
3? Those are rookie numbers, you gotta pump those numbers up.
+NeenanTheNinja Every time he says 3 a macro buy 3 more.
He has 32 of these, so he can have 32^2 layers of macros. Maybe, just maybe, will he have enough macros.
Techstuff Mania Fuck off
@Techstuff Mania disliked xddddddddd
No full color epilepsy-inducing 16 million color RGB for every individual key? Not interested.
Dylan 873 lol how did you react 27 minutes earlier than the video
Must be the new youtube hacks
I don't even read reviews until the RGB has killed someone.
16.8*
2017 is over get out of your hole
270 USD for the base "ergonomic keyboard" but in order to be FULLY ergonomic you have to shell another 50 USD on top? Damn even keyboards are getting DLCs nowadays.
Luca De Lisi Credit to EA
Do you think lenses of dslr are dlc too
Nope, because once you stick with a mounting solution you can use them on more than just one machine, unlike these parts which are highly specific and won't work with anything else on the market.
Would you sign a contract for a car and later discover that you have to pay for the wheels and the rims separately? It's quite dumb to be honest, but not as much as your comparison though
To be fair you can make your own ErgoDox for less than 200, with tenting and what not. It's not even that hard too. But if you want a turn-key solution, then the price that comes with it is to be expected. Especially for an enthusiast / rare board like this. It's not exactly mainstream stuff.
I wouldn't exactly call it an "enthusiast product", rather a crappy product with hyper inflated price tag... Enthusiast grade keyboards are a tier lower in price and come with more features.
But I guess as long as some few people are happy to be milked more than 300 USD, everyone else has to adapt and get bent over, right?
You were really cool in the 90s weren't you Linus?
aaronCapricorn Yeah, because he is pretty cool. :P
youtube came out in 2005
They're talking about Linus not the RUclips channel.
he was just skating around in huge baggypants.
If someone was cool in the 1990's that means that they are cool forever. There's nothing cooler than the 1990's cool.
"Is it a lot for a mechanical keyboard? Yes." oh my sweet summer child
i sold my house for keyboards and now live under a bridge. minor inconvenience considering i now have a mid tier enthusiast keyboard.
“I’m pretty possessive of my apostrophes” might be the best pun I’ve ever heard
holy shit it is so good I didn't even realize it was a pun until I read this comment.
That default backspace mapping makes perfect sense to me. It’s actually how I’ve remapped my MacBook keyboard. Caps lock is redundant in my opinion. Getting used to it there means you can use that same remapping on any standard keyboard and it’s the single best remapping I think anyone can do.
I also have one other remapping from the strange symbol key below Escape on the touchbar, which I of course remap to escape. I would probably remap that key anyway now I’m used to it, even if I had a physical escape key because the escape key is just way too far away otherwise.
I've had one of these keyboards for about a year now. Despite the cost, I'm really, really happy with it!
Its too early in 2018 for dank meme products linus
*wrong*
but this keyboard isn't a meme
Meme like i guess?? Jk jk
mm
Gameboy guy Linus with his rgb mini keyboard...
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Awesome. I've been using mine for a few months for both typing and programming, and the ortholinear layout and thumb clusters really help your pinkies that get overworked from using modifiers and backspace/enter. But the price still keeps it a very niche product.
as a programmer, did you feel that increase your productivity?
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Have my own. Love it. Great for gaming, especially for a lefty who has had difficulty reaching keys due to the staggered key form of non-otholinear keyboards. Do recommend the purchase, especially for lefties who want something to make hitting the R key and others a hell of a lot easier.
"add everything you need to achieve proper ergonomics"
30$ LED LIGHTING
And the wrist rest. Your arms should be hovering while using the keyboard, not leaning.
Been using one for last 2 years now.
I can't go back to normal keyboards again.
Just bought one recently, I wonder, do you still use it?
@@pasdenom.9062 I know I'm not the one who posted this but I got my ergodox ez about a year and a half ago and use it daily. I sold my other ducky and varmilo keyboards and there really isn't any going back imo
@@jaceb8593 I use mine for about 3 weeks now, I also went from azerty to bépo (french dvorak) in the same time… I started to feel some comfort after 2 weeks. Now I'm still not as fast as before, but will be soon.
The keyboard is great, that's my layout that is slowing me, ATM. The lack of arrow keys may be a bit problematic sometimes, since I need to use a control key to get to another layer, which is confusing because I also use a lot of shortcuts and key combinations at the same time…
Thanks for the feedback.
@@pasdenom.9062 I put my arrow keys on my layer 2 where my right hand rests. I also set the ";:" key to bring me to layer 2 while i hold it down. My layout is still mostly qwerty but I like putting everything i need right under where my hands are and setting it on a different layer. Here is my layout if you're interested in seeing what I've done. Layer 3 is for gaming. configure.ergodox-ez.com/ergodox-ez/layouts/Ee0wG/latest/0
I also have one of them and it's probably my favorite KB. However, to be fair, I do sometimes use others... the thing is, those other boards are an excellent Model M or ZSA's other offering, the Planck EZ (super portable! So much room for activities on your work desk!).
The Dox EZ is peerless. Once you're used to it, it'll be a daily driver or in your top three. Just gotta get over that initial hump. Also, yeah it's not for just anyone. If you're not writing or programming or something like that a lot, then that price is maybe too steep.
your cadence, script, and puns are so engaging
Bought one and returned it and got the kineses advantage 2 which feels more ergonomic for me and also have the function keys which are super important to me when programming.
With moonlander announced, i really hope they review it!
I’m hoping to find an aerodynamic keyboard with cherry MX Blues.
Dudeomfgstfux for when your typing on your motorcycle but you need to go fast af.
Dudeomfgstfux blues well drive you insane with the clicking sound get the browns.
He asked for blues specifically. Browns are mushy garbage.
+steele duke The clicking is the entire reason I like blues :^)
Dudeomfgstfux I cant stand my blues i would rather buy something that isnt louder then your voice
This is truly a well done video, thanks to Linus and the whole team for setting the bar this high--cheers to another year of videos!
On every Linus Tech Tip video
"Today's video is brought to you b....." *right arrow x2*
fwiw you can use the _L_ key for a ten second skip. saves you one keypress
@@daskadse769 if only they had a 10 second skip on the YT app. I have to quad tap the arrow key to get past the ad.
@@TargetedFox Nice, looks like @MinTieS had to find about it anyways :D
- p4tchu - Or you can enter the video with L _already_ pressed, letting go when the ad ends to save half an L press!
That is one sexy keyboard. RGB underglow, different switches for different folks, more customization than you can shake a stick at, and more ergonomic than Linus' cats.
Any mention of the Ergodox Infinity? I believe that one comes with per-key RGB.
Plus, there are a ton of options for third-party cables for the Ergodox. Some are braided, some are coiled, some are in really nice colours, and they're all better than the stock ones.
Just wanted to let you know that this keyboard is probably one of the best things ever purchased!!! Thanks for your review! :)
this is so funny - i bought an ergodo ez in 2016 after reading abt all the other ones yall reviewed around that time
just discovered ltt
and its so funny going and watching these videos abt these keyboards from then
feel very vindicated in my decision haha
These giveaways need to stop
The ones from fake Linus, that is
Super Smart some kid is spending his christmas money on yt bots
Ace of Spades I know right?!
Ace of Spades I think it earns him a lot back though. Not encouraging it it's stupid.
But this isn't the only channel affected by this... There are many more like so
Bruh
Thanks for reviewing this. I've been pondering buying one of these for a while and appreciate the LTT perspective.
Did you get one? I considered for several years before getting my first.
I remember the days when LinusTechTips always uploaded at 3am EST. I would stay up just to see the videos
Been using an OG Ergodox for like 2 years now that I had to build myself. Went with Cherry MX Blues and blank SP PBT caps. It's honestly one of the best keyboards I've ever used.
The amount of work they put in their thumbnails I swear
Well of course, they're pretty important
Fridge Food yes they are, a lot of times thumbnails can make or break a video!
The writing on the cable is the rating of the wire itself, not the model number for some generic part. I always prefer when it’s included as it lets me know what I’m dealing with and it’s usually a somewhat reliable way to judge it’s quality (so long as it’s not exaggerated). In my personal opinion this makes it a benefit, especially seeing that it’s not all that visible. The connectors are absolute rubbish though, you got that spot on.
Kailh Speed Bronze isn't "crunchy". What an odd description. It just has a large tactile bump at the top of the press rather than part the way down like a more traditional mx tactile switch.
I helped backed the indigogo for the original Ergodox Ez. And I've never regretted my purchase. Even when I had to send it back and get a replacement. Can highly recommend the board to anyone interested.
With all that customisation available I'd like to see another video on this from Taran's perspective. Is this a good alternative to multiple keyboards and Lua scripting for those less scripting inclined?
Wooo, glad to see this.
As an owner of an EZ, I love mine!
Caught it with 42 seconds on it, perfect timing
so cool to see soo much tech sold by adafruit in this keyboard, neopixels, attiny, would love to see the inards.
its time to make the janky version with a 3d printer to make the frame. and with all the projectors you got, use one of the cheaps ones to swap the led module with a uv one. i just got my own hence the idea. i am working on making an sls printer kind of deal. any way, that can give you the higher quality stuff you will see from formlabs but with square pixels. have to use a laptop or something to change output to monochromatic, get some resins, etc.
What Linus thinks: Expensive=Dank
joe nodden it's less expensive (and good) than the advantage 2
@@CripplingDuality I now have two ergodox keyboards, and none from Kinesis. I would like to try a keyboard with the dish shaped key areas, but I think I'd rather go for a fully custom keyboard than a less configurable one.
If you buy this keyboard and you're a touch typist, make sure to type on a normal, staggered (i.e. non-linear) keyboard every so often, otherwise you'll find it impossible to properly touch type on a normal keyboard again!
I exclusively used the Ergodox at work for the first few months of owning it and was unable to use normal keyboards. But I later began to use my laptop at home quite regularly and I'm now thankfully able to use both layouts.
haha i use a redox which is also a split board, only thing annoying about going back to a staggered layout is having one option for my thumb: space.
I keep hitting the spacebar when I mean to hit backspace
Haven't seen one of your VIDEOS SINCE LAST YEAR!!
1985s k hahaha
Classic joke 😅
1985s k go and watch the sleeper build from yesterday (came out 1st of January, at least for me)
_ Mephisto ok
BOO
Original.
Just to clarify, it is just as easy to buy switches in the aftermarket. They are cheap, especially if you only need ~70 to fill the keeb.
OH BOI AM I EARLY! HAPPY NEW YEAR GUYS!
Lowe m8 its january 2nd already ur kinda late xd
didn't know what i was going to say so yeah happy new year HAHAH
Happy late new year for you too.
It's kinda old already
jj
If you get into the ergo mech community you'll find that there are tons of options at various price points, with different layouts, amounts of keys, and more or less intense columnar stagger.
There are so many options, but it's totally worth it. The ergodox is the mainstream expensive option!! And even that is great.
"Ergo-no-thanks"
"Er-No-Thanks"
indeed
I own two. One is a Ergodox EZ with tilt legs. The other is a self-build from a Massdrop order (super fun to build your own). One as brown switches for office use. The other has blue "clicky" switches for home use. The absolute best keyboard I've ever owned - and I've owed a lot of keyboard is my time. The support for the Ergodox EZ is also brilliant. A year after I had it, one of the switches intermittently stopped working. I emailed them and without quibble they said they will definitely send me a new replacement. The longest part of the support email discussion was if I wanted to switch to different key switches or stay with the brown ones. :-)
@@therealgraeme would you say it's a fit for writing code? (lots of up-down-left-right, Ctrl+key, Ctrl+Fn, Ctrl+shift+arrows, PgUp, PgDn, parans, brackets etc. ). Thanks
@@andiarpo6569 Yes, I'm a coder too (Java and Delhi) and use it at work and home for that purpose. The Ergodox is obviously different, but only took me a week or two to customise the keyboard layout to suit my needs (with only minor tweaks as time goes by). For a start, I type on the Dvorak layout, so the default Qwerty is a no go for me. ;-) The Ergodox EZ website has 1000's of community layouts to browse, clone and customised. Many are tagged with various programming languages or tools.
Wow. Look great for a hand cam on stream. As an artist, I can see using one of the keyboards individually for dedicated switches and macros just for the programs I use. I'd say...the only thing that would knock it out of the park, in the gamer sense, include a dedicated thumbstick for movement in place of WASD. It'd be a neat touch to have more precise analog movement like the left thumbstick on a game controller in combo with your existing mouse.
It's so strange to see Linus without a beard & with gel in his hair...
I've always liked ergodox. It's nice to see them go a bit more mainstream than their enthusiast offerings. I'm hoping some of the features found in the EZ make there way back as included extras on the build your own configs.... Yes I really do just want those rgb lights.
2018.
Six. Years. Ago.
love LTT bc it helped me so much with computer stuff and learned me like this channel is better than my teacher love it and ill allways remember everything keep up Linus!
I have heard nothing dank about this keyboard Linus
Techstuff Mania don't self advertise in other's channel, it's rude
@Techstuff Mania yeah.....no. I've had enough of Air Duct Services, I don't need to be listening to more of that.
Ergodox is amazing. With Cherry clears they are a dream
It would be sweet if LTT did a review for the Keyboard.io "heirloom quality" ergonomic keyboard. About the same price, completely open source firmware, wood body and backlit keys.
Ergodox EZ also uses open source firmware, QWK : )
I bought a set of the wrist rests when I picked my ergodox ez years ago. I used them exactly once before they went into my desk drawer, never to see the light of day again. For me, suspending my wrists over the the desk surface is much more natural as I've done it with every keyboard I've ever owned.
I've been through 11 layout iterations myself, overall for me this is the best keyboard on the market by a long shot.
Omgg yes. Rbg underglow. I've wanted this to exist for ageesss. Instead I've had to have an awful little led strip underneath it with a hole into the keyboard for power and looks awful. I hope the big brands knows for rgb (mainly corsair and razer I think) join onto this trend and make it an actual thing to buy on a normal keyboard
Look into the Ganss GK87 Pro. It's pretty much what you're looking for.
MaraudingMaster ah yeah that looks nice. Doesn't seem like it would have the best build quality and I have lots of corsair things and I like the synchronisation of the products
Jessentis Corsairs have a notorious low build quality compared to regular mechanical keyboards and suffer from shorts or key chatter very easily. They also don’t have a standard key layout so replacing the thin ABS keycaps on them is a lot harder.
I can guarantee you this will last you a lot longer than a Corsair. At the expensive of synchronization however.
Can I ask why you want the under glow? I have one of these with the LEDs underneath, but I never turn them on. I got it from eBay rather than having to sort out import tax.
To each their own. I like accent lighting.
An unfortunate problem that I ran into while dealing with Ergodox is poor customer care. My wife attempted to buy me a keyboard for my birthday, shelled out the money, and was going about the order, then was informed that the shipper could end up charging her whatever they wanted in brokerage fees. With no control and having been hit with brokerage fees of over $100 in the past she decided to cancel the order. The problem came that they didn't cancel the order, they sent back a payment. For any international buyer, this means losing ~$40 in fees. If they just cancelled the payment the fees don't accumulate. If that wasn't enough they proceeded to belittle and throw insults at my wife when she questioned their practice. If this was just an employee it would be one thing, but the owner also took time to send a message indicating their lack of care. Since then I made my own for half the price. Save some money, buy the parts get someone to put it together.
Linus isnt the same without Luke.
Reek Linus and Luke were the duo. The tag team of the company.
like a timon and pumba duo, where luke was pumbo, sure. doesnt count
Luke hasnt done anything other than scrapyard war and shit in years. LTT wont be different rofl
Luke is Super boring to watch, every scrapyard wars when they cut to the Luke team it was painful to watch.
where did he went?
Honestly, I just want them to work at getting ergo both good and affordable. I don't really care about the backlit keys and gaming features in that scenario, really. At least not until ergo keyboards become more developed. Seems like ergo keyboards have been slow in general just to get both ergonomics and ease of use handled and then, secondarily, affordable. Though I know these will always be more expensive until the volume goes up.
Plenty of cheaper alternatives out there from Logitech and Microsoft. But less choice.
Look at the Ergodone, a cheaper DIY chinese clone of the Ergodox
3:15 ... And keyboard. Actually no I guess not as you have to hold it when typing and don't press it once. More like the previous function.
I got one for stenography because it was the cheapest option that wasn't always sold out. If you need it for steno, just get one. If you need it for any other reason, just get something else
Ayyyy we here bro
Man that thumbnail 🤣. Cool review btw
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I am happy that LTT is throwing puns in to every line again
Here's a like for the grammar joke 10/10
2:32 They think 9 iterations is a lot? I went through 72 iterations in the first 10 days (including 30 in the first 3 days) of using my Planck EZ by the same company...
But does it support Linux?
Mystic Bardock LSSGSS i dont know
You remap the keys online and then download the config to flash it to the keyboard using teensy on Linux.
If flashing supporting is supported on linux or if it works to type on linux? Your question is confusing
Jon Vulcan
www.pjrc.com/teensy/loader_linux.html
Linus
Linux.
Illumanity confirmed
If you've got a soldering iron, go for the Ergodox Infinity. Unfortunately you have to wait for massdrop, which could take up to 6 months, then another 3 for shipping, but it's super worth it. Always worth the look on people's faces when they look at it.
God damnit report these bots
close to 5 million subs congrats
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The switches at 5:49 are MX Clear, not White. White is, well, white, and the Clear is colourless.
Why do you post shit at midnight PST
Crimson Harp it's 9 am
For me
its 3:23 in the est for me
Lmao 2 am central i feel you
IBakeOnions *2:30
Crimson Harp its bacon time over here.
3:48 Why did my wrists start to hurt while watching this scene.
Oh shit I’m early let me think of a joke.
LTT playin csgo.
Garboi Edzel is pretty good, I think the joke would be Linus playing csgo. LTT describes all employees, as LinusTechTips is a company.
Evan Gibeau Then this comment refers to the entire LTT playing csgo, and linus would basically ruin the team completely, so he was technically right
They should have an option for a different color rgb to light up for each 'layer'/layout mode.
I think they've since added that
jesus whats next, it can be divided into 4 different sections
There is no jesus ..only harambe
No, that would be silly; The next thing will be individual keys, with individual stands, connected wirelessly and just placed around your table :p
There was one that did 5... died during the dot com bust when all the rich dot commers backing it went literally bust. The center had all the standard insert, home etc. plus16 or 18 macro keys, and the left and right side were cupped like the Kinesis boards with a small space inbetween to reduce elbow strain. Each sides pairs magneticly closed together and then both sides would be stood on their ends with the hole with the keys showing facing up and then the middle piece slides in to lock and then it had a nylon strap on the back of that section.
Its like razors..eventually someone will build a keyboard which is just one button and you buy 104 of them and 103 tiny cables to put them together
Remind me, how many hands do you have ?
4? haha, no. The future of ergo keyboards is 5 sections. One on each hand, one on each foot and a dental appliance so you can hit the space and shift keys with your tongue.
Just got one of these a week ago. Great keyboard, EXTREMELY frustrating to get used to and to retrain your brain and muscle memory. I've talked to some people with them and they all said it takes a few weeks to get used to if you're coming from a classic layout.
IM GONNA FLIP MY SH*T..
(it doesn't have backlight)
Yea, I would never buy a keyboard without a backlight.
The price to pay for interchangeable keyswitches, which could be ultra valuable for customization and maintenance (replacing worn or broken switches)
James's preferred method of torture is forcing puns down Linus's throat ...
...Muhaha indeed .
Looks as cool as it looks. It looks shit i think.
That's really cool. I didn't even know Ergodox was a company, but the boards are very popular.
17 view squad!
i've spent 5 years learning vim. i can spend a few weeks learning my own keymaps
Has anyone else seen enough of these silly keyboards?
An xD meme they're not silly, a lot of people value the comfort and flexibility of the ergodox.
Luciano M I know that comfort is the appeal of them but they just look awful and they cost and arm and a leg.
Standard keyboard layouts are silly. Your thumb has lots of freedom to move. It can easily press lots of different keys, if the keys are nearby for it to press: just look at any gamepad. It's very good at operating modifier keys like Shift, Ctrl, Alt and others: hold down the modifier with the thumb of one hand while pressing the modified key with the other. But for that to work properly, the modifier keys need to be mirrored on both sides.
Now look at a standard keyboard. There are probably two keys within easy reach of each thumb. Worse, one of them is the spacebar, and it's shared between both hands. Space is not a modifier, so the space key doesn't need to be shared any more than you need the ability to type E with either hand. (Actually, having E on either hand might even make some kind of sense as part of some fairly extreme typing-speed layout, but that's another story.) So by not splitting the spacebar the layout is effectively wasting a whole key that could be used for something else. On standard ANSI (US) layouts you only have *one* other thumb input, Alt. European ISO layouts are even worse, because while you have two different thumb modifiers, Alt and AltGr, neither of them is mirrored so they're both broken for touch-typing.
Just because it's standard doesn't mean it's not silly.
The Ergodox, meanwhile, is bad for two reasons. One is the price, which is justifiable if you have a well-paid job and you type all day, if you want a hot luxury item, or if you have a relevant injury, but is otherwise a pretty silly expenditure. The other is that it still doesn't give you any analogue input for controlling the mouse pointer on the keyboard: no thumbable trackpad, no IBM Trackpoint-style pointing stick or thumbstick. So you'd spend hundreds of dollars and still be flailing your hand back and forth between the mouse and keyboard every time you need to switch between keyboard and pointer actions, which really is silly. The Ultimate Hacking Keyboard ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/ is one board which does better in this respect.
@@leocomerford what keyboard do you use
Glad to see the Ergodox is not dead, and not using phone cables anymore.
okay ,who fucked up this time
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r/mechanicalkeyboards aksed for this :D
Didn't think I'd see a Bangladeshi guy here, wassup
maybe, the input on the Hawking's wheelchair is the most healthy way
oh cmon for ffs .. i have been writing so much comments!Give me 2 likes at least!!
Edit: thank you Mom
Be a good boy Addie or I'll beat the shit outta you. Your mother can't save you this time.
Your comment has 3 likes, so i've just downvoted you!
at first i was like "it looks like someone took keyboards from my old highschool and cut them in half" then he says "it actually looks as good as it feels" and i was like hah he means it feels like shit then i was like oh
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Thank you
"I'm very possessive of my apostrophe key." *the whole of youtube groans*
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Can you please review the Keymouse. I think its an amazing idea but the current price too expensive.
happy new year!!!!
Hey guys, are you planning on covering Keyboard.io? it was a Kickstarted open source ergonomic keyboard, currently still backlogged but shipping. Looks pretty good, and costs about the same as the decked out version of this board (but comes with all the goodies).
I purchased one of these about 2 months ago with cherry mx whites. my WPM was maybe 5 on the first day, but after about a week as was exceeding my WPM on staggered keyboards, and after two weeks I could barely use a staggered anymore. This keyboard has ruined me, but I love it.
The proper ergonomic status which we recommend and will cost you $355.
Throws in LED lighting for $30.
*THAT HELPS ERGONOMICS DOESNT IT*
Linus recommends RGB lighting for "proper ergonomic status" at 7:05.
Welcome to LinusTechTips. Where companies shower you with hardware like a couple of rappers in a strip club.
I would love you guys did a shootout of some of these ergo keyboard options and maybe a value breakdown like you do with GPUs (which I love by the way).
James, nice layout man. Backspace and delete belong togetha 4eva. Linus should have said people with small hands will only be able to reach the first thumb button. Waiting for a more squished layout. There's some cool modified board layouts on Thingiverse.