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Wouldn't mind buying the Machenike KT68 RGB 68 Key Wireless Mechanical Keyboard (using its full legal name because it is in trouble for having inconsistent input lag)
I love the idea of the doqo, keyboard with onboard usb hub, havent seen much of those, just want it on a quality-ish keyboard for laptop and tablet use.
A possible use, though... All our factory machines have the cheapest HP keyboards on the market. It malfunctions, they just pull out another one. We have a literal container full of them.
Back around 2014, our school had the "genius" idea to replace all keyboards with those rubber keyboards cause kids would take out the keys and swap them or they'd get lost entirely. Not only that, they were also glued onto the desks. I was one of the people who deployed them (I was paid for it). Could immediately tell that was an awful idea. Programming on those was utterly impossible. They were vandalized even more because of how absolutely dogshit they were, and this time they couldn't easily be replaced. They lasted maybe two weeks until we un-glued them and went back to regular keyboards.
out of topic but because of your story i just remembered my classmates in highschool computer class who swapped the keyboards from a pc to the adjacent pc, basically the keyboard infront of you controls the pc besides you and vice versa. it was a great laugh, but they were called because of vandalism/tampering with school properties, the thing is the computer lab assistant was just there sitting on his chair watching them do it.
I had a roommate back in the day that got one of those all-membrane rollable waterproof keyboards, and when I tried it I had the same reaction as Linus. It technically functions as a keyboard, but it's so bad. Like, you know when you find the exact right keyboard, everything works the way you want, and pressing the keys just feels right? It's like the opposite of that.
I had PS/2 keyboard back in the day and bought the membrane thingy for Wii to chat in Monster Hunter Tri because it had USB. They shut down the servers soon after that. So it was literally used for like a dozen messages :D
I had to use one of these while working with a raspberry pi as I had nothing else that was able to be carried in a backpack and my dad had it on hand. Drove me nuts to type on but if you understand that it's going to take more time to do anything it wasn't bad.
Man, some years ago my work replaced ALL the shop floor computer keyboards (dozens) those those exact rollable rubber membrane key boards. They redefined what a terrible keyboard was to me, and I got my start on those wierd chiclet keyboards on the computers in the early 80's. The spa e bar is a bar shape but only in rubber, there's two single buttons inside that bar, and you have to hit one exactly to have it register a space. Same with return and backspace and the other big buttons - there's no brace or anything, just a gummy membrane switch somewhere in the overall "key".
the 45% keyboard is actually quite handy for artists with screen drawing tablets, it lets you maintain your keyboard shortcuts like ctrl+z while not having your keyboard clash against your drawing screen, or be behind, or be under your tablet, and not needing to learn new macros with the other solutions
@@GENKI_INU I don't know why this isn't more common with desks nowadays. Once in a while I'll look for a replacement for my desk and so few of them have a tray.
Man, wanna reiterate how awesome it is labs is informing these opinions in such a substantial way. Moving to make the credibility backbone stronger was such a smart long term idea. Great work, team!!
FYI, some of these (like the laser keyboard) *do* have some generally unconventional use cases for them. I worked in an emergency room at a hospital once and there were computers/keyboards. But due to the serious risk of transmitting infection, keyboards were often treated as one-time use and dozens were discarded every day. So to avoid e-waste, washable and laser keyboards were sometimes used. Yeah, they were slow/hard to type on, and there are undoubtedly better solutions for most modern hospitals now, but even then, they were much better than the alternatives (in some ways)
@@complicxtionsreplacing a plastic sheet constantly is a lot cheaper than replacing the whole keyboard. In fact, it is probably cheaper to constantly replace plastic covers over the entire lifespan of the keyboard than it is to replace the whole keyboard even once. That lack of forethought is the reason why healthcare in the US is expensive.
We use washable keyboards at the hospital I work at specifically because the hospital is as waste conscious as they can be. It was before my time, but it was apparently a big deal when they switched because the hospital was so large and they replaced every single keyboard in the entire facility. Every time someone complains about the keyboard, a nurse who was there during the switch makes sure to remind them that "at least they weren't there during the transition of keyboards" because it was 'that' big of a deal for infection prevention.
I use the foldable one with touchpad for work. I’m an field engineer who works on X-ray equipment in hospitals some times I need to connect to certain components in the generators, so I have this foldable keyboard and a 7inch screen that I connect. It’s very handy to keep the weight and space down and does not get damaged when it is in my tool case.
I can see the use case as well for specialized equipment work like I used to work on, or even now when I’m in data centers as an IT engineer. I personally carry a cherry point of sale keyboard and trackpad combo since it was free, compact, and very good quality….. but that foldable would be a lot nicer to just leave in a toolbox. In those cases comfort or speed dont matter, you just need to get the work done.
If dust and waterproofing is what you want, get a TG3 TG3 KBA-(n)BLT and thank me later. It's the keyboard used inside cop cars, ambulances, drive through oil change places, etc. Uses real mx black mechanical switches covered in robber domes and it's damn near bullet proof.
And on needs to be ON. I'll pay $50 extra for a Bluetooth speaker that doesn't auto shutoff, it just as a switch, and its either always on or always off. Like honestly. I'm fucking tired of all of the new speakers just randomly turning themselves off (or on) for no apparent reason.
I have the exact laser keyboard. I obviously don't use it daily, that's way too slow, and not as comfy. BUT, you missed out an awesome feature! that little arrow you mentioned toggles between keyboard and mouse mode, so you can move the mouse around by dragging your finger across the layout!
I replaced some extremely expensive industrially hardened keyboards with those soft rollable keyboards a few years ago (Not AliExpress ones obviously) and really don't have any complaints. Yeah they suck to type on, but they're in locations where people are typing a quick log entry at most. And so far they've lasted a few years at $30 a pop versus literally a few weeks for a normal desktop keyboard or a similar timeframe for 15-20x the price for a hardened keyboard. Always remember the actual real world use case and the advertised use cases of products don't always align.
@@BoredMarcus I am one of the people typing on them. Probably more than most. And it's irrelevant when a normal keyboard is destroyed in a few weeks and hardened a keyboard is $400+ for something that still sucks to type on.
Worked in a warehouse where dust was a big issue. Instead of getting a protected keyboard, they kept the PROTECTIVE PLASTIC that comes over a keyboard. Switched to a similar membrane thingy and it was horrible as well, but still a lot better than having a plastic cover over your keys at all time.
The little Typewriter Macropad looks like it would (potentially, depending on how well the software setup works) be great for use alongside a drawing tablet for fast controls for the likes of Photoshop etc.
also things like this exist for people needing accessibility, lots of different kinds of "switches", and are very helpful to the disabled in lots of different ways
There are actually good versions of those waterproof keyboards you tried. They are factories where normal keyboards get destroyed. They are especially common in areas where you are dealing with chemicals or super dusty environments. I would never use one as a normal keyboard. However, if you get one of the better ones they are a good keyboard to use while wearing gloves and working in a lab to take notes.
I absolutely love the look of the transparent tablet keyboard. You guys should do a whole PC build based around being Transparent. My biggest complaint (other than that horrendous trackpad) is that the bottom of it was opaque. Also, The Machenike KT68 is really cool being translucent. I definitely liked that part about it.
It's actually my daily driver! I have it with kailh box red switches. Absence of F keys and the need to use key combos for Home, End, Insert and other stuff took some getting used to, but I love it so much.
The first one looks like a perfect fit for a shop keyboard,. No amount of aluminum chips would break or make the keys stuck on that one. 18:15 I'd argue the trackpad is not an issue if you use it for a tablet. Good enough for you to do something without raising your hand to touch a tablet screen.
Yeah I had on of these for my surface tablet in uni. The trackpad is awful, but I usually used the screen or a wireless mouse, and it was nice to have a trackpad in a pinch.
The chassis of the Machenike KT68 reminds me of the transparent electronics popular in the 90s-2000s. I also really like the cyberpunk style key inscriptions on the keys. I also noticed that there are versions with a configurable display. Nice. Though the input latency does probably make it unsuitable for gaming and the only keyboard they sell with a numpad doesn't have any of the style the KT68 has.
18:44 These half keyboards, (the good ones) are great for laptop gamers. If you ever gamed on a laptop you know how much actual pain they cause when playing demanding games like FPS, MMOs or even MOBAs. (Using ctrl alt or shift combos for example) A normal keyboard needs space in front of you so you have to move the laptop further, a half keybord perfectly fits on the left, symmetrical to your mouse on the right, with your laptops keyboard in the middle so you can still flame your team when they feed.
I used to use one of those half keyboards (a better quality one). They’re very useful in certain circumstances. In my case, I wanted to game with friends but only had a laptop and limited desk space at the time. I got a cheap half keyboard off Amazon and it worked perfectly. It’s not an everyday use type of product, but it’s great in specific situations. You just need to avoid the low quality ones.
I agree with you, my setup make me a bit of a "couch" gamer in that my main monitor for my PC is my room TV and I sit in a recliner to use it, I have a trackball mouse on one arm of the chair and a half keyboard or gaming keypad on the other arm. Works amazing for gaming and when I need a full keyboard I just use a full one in my lap.
@@Randon_Tain wait.. you game on your trackball mouse? what type of games though?? no way FPS shooters I use a logi MX Ergo daily but game on a xbox controller
@@crh18 Oh boy. You know, traditional trackball mice might be technically obsolete and somewhat inferior compared to a good modern mouse when it comes to gaming, but back when there was no alternative, everyone played FPS' (or RTS', or ARPGs... plenty of mouse skill was required back then eh) with them, and they did basically just as well as modern gamers. It's not that much worse at all, and you can even do stuff that modern laser sensors don't allow - like using it on any surface good enough to get the ball rollin' (hehe). Sure, I probably wouldn't go back to shooters using a trackball, but that's what I used for a long time while playing CS, Halo and many others, and I was _pretty fucking good_ at it.
I remember the laser keyboard being touted for use with stuff like Palm, over IR. I’ve wanted one for ages because they look cool. But every review I’ve seen says they’re at best ‘okay’. And despite being advertised as a portable keyboard replacement they’re still kinda awkwardly chunky.
The like, "1/3 of a keyboard" is honestly great. I've used a mid quality one for years (not the one reviewed). It's fantastic for when you're gaming and only need the buttons that are really avaliable to your left hand. I must mention that I game on a gaming "laptop" though, so I don't have a standalone keyboard and want something that is more ergonomic for my wrist.
Yup! I have the same opinion, it’s really fucking great for anything that’s not writing stuff, I use it to game, draw, and sometimes even study as it allows me to put my notebook closer to me while using google predict to search up everything I need
For me, the half keyboard is really good for use with my Steam Deck. I like to play some shooters with a dock, mouse, and keyboard since it was super cheap and still works decently for what I want to play.
I had one of those rubber roll up keyboards once since it seemed like a good idea at the time.. The trouble with them is that they ship rolled up or folded so they are never quite flat, but quite aside from that, once you get them properly flattened, they are still very spongy to type on and the key lettering for the most common keys wears off in almost no time.
The Canadian Museum of Science and Technology had lazer keyboards for their guest interactive computers as far back as I can remember. It's super cool and fits the theme, while also meaning there's just a little ledge to wipe down when a child inevitably spills something on the keyboard. Of course, with recent renovations they just went to touch screen.
That "game pad" one, I've been considering hand-building something like that for gaming. I want my WASD keys a little further apart to better fit my hand and use a smaller footprint to make it easier to position my left hand in the most ergonomic position without interfering with my mouse area. The limited number of keyswitches would make it an ideal beginner electronics project.
well i was thinking the same but not for gaming or something but i realized that are a lot of macropads with about enough buttons for gaming/any other needs, you buy the board then switches then keycaps and most of them use via in order to program them so id say unless yk how to code for adruino or you have so much time and you have soldering wiring skills, id say do it the "we have it at home" style cause you'll exceed the "DIY" route by a mile other than that you can buy the board fully built but customize it with the switches and keycaps, AND SOME OF THEM HAVE KNOBSSS
yo... forget any of these rediculous things...what you want is a Razer Tarantula v2 its everything you would ever need, and has an awesome thumb analog stick which is extremely handy. i don't have one....but there are quite of few other companies that make something extremely similar to the Razer Tarantula that are reasonably priced and are perfect for anyone who plays pc games with a standard mouse and keyboard setup. i know lots of people who own and use these religiously and they say it's the absolute best setup you can use. see i play pc games "hybrid style" mouse in one hand and a console controller in the other. I've been playing this way for over 25 years+ so i have no need for something like that....BUT I MOST DEFINITELY WOULD PLAY WITH ONE....if i didn't use the mouse/controller hybrid style im so used to for so long. but definitely check those out ...people swear by them.
@@ZenRyoku Logitech G13 for me since it came out, probably the inspiration for the Razer. 25 keys, 3 banks or presets, but I don't think the thumb stick is analogue.
If you just want a WASD for gaming, I recommend you try to find a z-board fang. They have been out of production for over a decade, but still have the best "QWE ASD" block ever designed. The rest of the keys are a bit hit+miss in their positioning, so it's not the best if you need many additional shortcut keys.
1:39 In defense of the waterproof rollable keyboard, the backspace isn't being unresponsive in this case. Monkeytype does not allow you to backspace once you've cleared the previous word, in this case you already entered "hand" correctly, so you cannot backspace to correct "there".
Linus if I'd known that you'd be testing all these I could have told you to save your shipping time on any website because I swear I see all of these at thrift stores constantly, except maybe the docking station one, that was kinda neat.
He tried to show the new product (best case scenario). To be clear, used keyboard is way to go, i got one manufactured in 2014, bought it like 4 years ago. Only problem is LEDs started to die a few months after. But i sometimes changing them, granted it's basic 3mm 3V bulbs that i bought 100 of for a few dollars.
@@vadnegru "used keyboard is way to go" no, it's not unless you can't afford a new one, or the new ones you can afford are e-waste. For both personal and professional use the time spent potentially fixing it or having to replace it sooner than a new one does not justify the price difference, at least in my eyes.
5:12 , you are holding it wrong, you can hold it in the exact same way you would hold your smartphone, and in that way, you can type as fast as on the smartphone being fast. simple and comfortable to use.
Those silicone covers are super great in the workshop. I worked as a bike mechanic and we had our whole file system for what bike needs what done and so on fully digital so we were going back and forth between actually fixing stuff ans looking what parts and so on were to be installed on the pc and not having to wipe our handy every time we needed to type was such a game changer lol
These aliexpress episodes are always fun to watch! Sometimes products are true gems and other are funnier than jokes lol, starting by their page descriptions. Keep them going.
Those folding, pocketable keyboards(especially ones with a trackpad) are a pretty good companion for a steam deck and the like. They're quite a bit more functional than the trackpads and onscreen keyboard if you need to do something like editing an ini file.
I understand why many hate silicon keyboards. I really like this very pettable, quiet, easy clean, splash resistant style of keyboard. Heck on an LTT desk pad, you've even got a soft landing, if you don't have well controlled strokes. I had a more normal layout and the keys all worked (until they didn't at normal rubberdome shelf life. I definitely could type 85wpm+ 95% accuracy at least on my old silicon board. It was actually the death of my silicon keyboard that led me to geekhack and mechanical keyboards.
I remember when I was in middle school (I'm 25 now), there was a guest speaker for one of my classes who showed the laser keyboard. During that time (roughly 2012-2013) all the students and I were so impressed at this.
20:17 Ergonomics. I use these on my desk when i'm using my pen tablet. On most applications, all the important shortcuts are on the left side. Which means you just get one of these and the right half of your keyboard, as well as the arrows and numpad, can be taken up by the tablet instead. The full keyboard is off to the side when i actually need it.
12:50 I'd like to see a brief - maybe a shorts - video update on the laser keyboard when used in a darkened room, just to see whether the keyboard functions better in darker environments than brighter ones.
I can't wait for the lab to have been running for a couple of years. I'm hoping that with all the testing that it gives us the ability to know which cheap Chinese suppliers can be trusted and which to avoid. I've been scammed a lot on wish and other similar sites but sometimes you get that product that is a hidden gem. I know that isn't the only reason for the lab's existence but it's a big part of what I'm excited for.
@@verakoo6187 Because sometimes it's not junk, sometimes they are good value products. Hence why I said hidden gems. I don't think it's right to discredit an entire race's engineers and product designers, due to their on average cheaper prices. There are also situations where specific parts can only be found from Chinese suppliers. So L + Ratio + bozo + stay mad + do better
That waterproof keyboard reminds me of cleanroom keyboards I used in the past. Speaking of which, it‘d love to see you test some cleanroom keyboards. I had to work with so many different designs during my career and they all sucked and gave me rsi. I feel like there must be a design that is at least acceptable to type on, but I haven’t encountered one yet.
I had a rollable keyboard for years and years because it was always recognized by whatever device I plugged it into. Sometimes you or someone you know has boot issues and it's nice to have some device that technically works well enough to get you into the BIOS.
The typewriter macropad thingy is most likely for rhythm game players (say, osu! players, this is the most-of-the-times usecase). And I believe the knobs that type numbers when turning are for people playing something like SDVX.
I’ve been using a similar setup with a gaming pad and 10 keyless and it definitely helped my ergonomics, but I recently remapped the keys to allow me to put them closer together. I have some serious frustrations because I can buy the left half of a mechanical keyboard for $50, but including the right side makes the price go up to $400
demand, you dont HAVE to buy an expensive one, but for the people that want them and are willing to pay for them, new entries are developed with all sorts of different characteristics
Interchangeable keycaps and switches ARE a good reason. In addition, some of the switches can withstand 100 million operations (according to the manufacturer ^^).
Yay!! Finally putting the Linus back into Linus Tech Tips, giving the audience what they want! Don’t get me wrong I still enjoy the insane Alex projects and open server surgery with Jake. But have missed these random gadget reviews. Some of the best videos have been the guys just tooling around with RC Toys.
For the typewriter macropad, could be they had hot-swappable keys to appeal to the Osu! playerbase, as having a mechanical 2+ button pad is useful to not destroy your keyboard keys, and maybe the knobs could be used for volume control, idk.
So the issue with backspace on the first keyboard is actually not the keyboards fault. There's a setting in monkeytype that doesn't let you go back to previous words after hitting space, and it's enabled by default
The Machenike seems pretty decent but for the price it's about what I'd expect. As others have stated Keychron and a bunch of other companies make pretty decent boards and some of them offer full customizability through VIA, a well known third party tool for QMK firmware keyboards.
I got the H20 variant of the H18, it has the touchpad on one side and a *real* keyboard on the other. You use the gyro to switch between them. It actually functions pretty nice, and is the only wireless keyboard I have which doesn't drop inputs, which isn't exactly a high bar I know but I can appreciate its reliability. Man I would hate having to use a capacitive keyboard.
@@alexandrecosta2567 and not even just keyboards, most of his videos are just complaining about how "you can save up and just buy X item for 3x more", instead of being relative to the price and budget.
I use one of those half-keyboard "game pad" replacement things because the Zboard Merc Stealth was the greatest keyboard ever made and they're now around $2500 on eBay and no longer manufactured. I tried a Razer game pad thing and ... fewer keys, nonsense rubberized wrist wrest (whose adhesive melted and the whole pad moved or detached), and high brand price. Current one is made by 7Keys, comes with RGB controlled by FN+F3 combo and works darn well for me.
Machenike is actually not bad, they're more on the rugged designs than features so their features are not totally up to date (like for example they still use north facing leds, and prolly has no foam, and is hollow sounding out of the box) but I can't deny that their designs are soooo cool. they are not a bad buy, a little bit of modding should do the trick to make it sound better but you mostly will buy this for its design.
It would be cool to see how the first rollable keyboard would work when placed on a hard surface. It's probably still bad but the backspace might work.
19:48 on the 45% keyboard, i can also justify the existence. i bought one of those a few years ago, back when my desk space could barely fit in a mouse and keyboard side by side. it was great for mouse+keyboard games. gives you more room like linus said, for mouse movement, or to fit a drink or snack instead on the tiny desk lol. but I specifically bought it to use with my drawing tablet. i got used to keyboard shortcuts on the left hand tablet pen in the right. and the 45% was the only way to fit both on my desk at the time haha
@@unknownclint1740 Because that's what he does. That being said, this is far from the only channel where the main host has lost its sincerity. Either they do it for the money and/or they change overtime and have to act to play a role that used to come naturally to them. That's why I stopped watching many channels like AVGN and that The Completionist.
@@thenonexistinghero They have to do those sort of things to remain relevant (and growing) on this platform. Honestly. I don't always like it but LTT is a business after all, as are the other channels.
China has been coming out with some nice "custom" mechanical keyboards. I got a royal kludge r98 for my work and it's a nice premium heavy feeling keyboard, nice 3 color design (fits my company colors too 😂) with hot swap switches, solid rgb, nice typing feel (the reds are a little sensitive for me but when you're on a roll it's nice) and all for just like $70 or so from amazon
Find it funny that Linus is amazed by the Machinike keyboard having hotswappable switches and backlit-RGB. Plouffe should totally get the Royal Kludge for half the price 😂
20:00 for those small, one-half keyboards, you actually find them decently often in the flight simming community (albeit at a higher quality). They're usually employed in a setup where you have each half connected to the respective flight stick mount, keeping your keyboard in easy reach even mid flight
I'm curious whether your team did any testing for keyloggers or phone-home tunnels being opened on any of these. First thing i'd wonder about aside from the obvious build quality and usability.
That is kind of hard to check for the keyboards which don't require software/WiFi access. If there were some kind of SIM in it, it could send data though.
I'm not sure if we have the same lazer keyboard ( there are a few of them), but here are some interesting points about the one that I have: * It works on both Bluetooth, and wired via USB. * It doesn't need special drivers. * It can also be used as a trackpad mouse ( that's what those gestures were that you saw in the manual. * Red is the most common colour, but they are also available in green (what I have). * You need to be careful what surfaces you use it on. Otherwise you can end up with laser in the eye, which sucks. * You need more space than you might assume. You need enough for the device, the projection, and the gap. * If the surface isn't flat, it loses accuracy quickly. * Mine comes out of the box about once every 2 years "This thing was so coo... oh yeah, I remember why I don't use it" (lack of tactile feedback)
The lack of tactile feedback I could get used to, but the inability of using two keys at the same time(which wasn't mentioned in this video or in your points) is just a killer. Also from a technical standpoint I can't see the reason why the SHIFT zone can't be a toggle in the software like how it is on other devices. CTRL and ALT might make sense, but at least SHIFT means the keyboard is at least always able to type things.
@@setcheck67 it doesn't surprise me that some of them are like that. My one definitely does allow multiple keys at the same time (I just tested it to be sure)
That was a (short) period of time in Brazil where those rubber keyboards were trendy. At least in my city, I remember those dollar stores selling flexible keyboards in all kinds of colors. It didn't last long for obvious reasons
My last job had one of those roll-up flexible keyboards for a label printer. I'm not sure why the company got them in the first place, given we just used the numpad, so we could've just gotten a USB numpad or something, but our location took advantage of the rubberized body to thumbtack it to the wall.
An interesting gaming/macro pad alternative might be one of those mice with 12 side buttons. I've got a G600, and it is great to have all that on a mouse.
I love that mouse so much. It's probably one of the best computer accessories I've ever purchased - the ability to have 2 layouts and switch them with just a quick click is fantastic - or the auto layout feature in the logitech software that recognizes what you use and switches it accordingly. I can't even talk about how useful that can be
7:17 I got the non-touchpad version of this (hate touchpads) and carry it with my power bank, I use it for editing the web files I use for keeping track of my budget, beyond that it normally sits un-used, still the best experience I've had thus far for portable keyboards.
As good as that last keyboard may be compared to the others, it’s definitely not the best value considering there are plenty other hot swappable options on the market, with good quality switches and similar features for about half the price.
Something I constantly do when I make a typo is hold down CTRL when I press BACKSPACE which deletes the entire word rather than one character. Can be faster than spamming BACKSPACE a bunch.
my best guess is, the typewriter micropad is specifically for stenographers who type in a shorthand that is pretty much its own language. i could also see it used for specifically quick entry of hexidecimal values, or for quick casting in a MOBA
I bought a cheap full keyboard with macro keys with HORRIBLE software, next time I am buying a regular keyboard and one of those auxiliary micro keyboards, they seem nice.
Unfair to the rolling flexible keyboard. You had it on a rubbery deskpad. I works MUCH better on a hard surface. When I worked karaoke at bar, having a keyboard like this that could shrug off spills was a definite plus. Also very useful in health care situations, since it is silicone, you can sanitize/sterilize it with alcohol or iodine or something similar. Yeah, still not he greatest, but they work great in specific situations like bars, kitchens, or healthcare.
In all honesty, USB is actually a great way to get malware on a system via a variety of methods. A director of our company bought a random Chinese keyboard off of Amazon, said his machine was acting all weird. The device manager showed up with about 6 or 7 different devices when the kb was plugged in - god only knows what they were doing. As soon as we switched him to a 'normal' branded keyboard - no more issues.
Some well-known brands of keyboard show up as multiple devices in device manager as a result of how chipsets and Windows facilitate N-key rollover, media keys, macros, etc. I've got keyboards from Keycool, KBParadise, Plum, and Creative that show as 2-4, and Razer is known to as well. Only board I have that's mechanical and bigger than 60% layout and DOESN'T show as multiple devices is an older and non-gaming model from Cherry. Since my newer and more expensive boards show as less devices per key, I wonder needing 6-7 means there was actual malice/malware in the board or just a cheap and glitchy attempt to check off some marketing specs.
I have a gaming mouse somewhere which, I think is from Logitech (but can not confirm since I do not remember where I put it), has 5 macro keys and each key appears as a separate keyboard. At the time, I contacted them and they told me that they did that so that the macros can run concurrently (meaning you can activate all the other macros before the first finishes). Note that the macros are only programmable with their software and can contain delays. That said, I would not trust a random Chinese keyboard or amazon.
I have a keyboard that's the exact same as the tablet keyboard, but it's white and doesn't have a trackpad. the really cool thing about it is that it actually came with a case for my iPad 9th gen, and it's magnetic so that it can stick to the case when it's closed. My sister got one as well, and she loves it for college. (The case also has an apple pencil holder, which I love!)
I picked up a Bluetooth keyboard that's basically the same layout without the folding and track pad. Works great, got for like four bucks in a resale store. It's definitely cool having cross device compatibility!
Thanks for reviewing that foldable one. I’ve been looking for something basically exactly like that for on the go for my steam deck. It’s better the. I expected since it does phone and tablet too. Gonna order one today
Same! I ordered one for exactly the same reason I also checked if there is anything like it on the market and I'll say there is but just more expensive or just worse
@@gandeldalf I've been looking for a little bit, and this ticks all the boxes for features. I'm glad they reviewed it. I would have ignored it on my own.
The silicone covers (I call them "keyboard condoms") are something that has come up as a standard around 2020-2021 public and/or shared PC in work spaces. Basically, it allows you to use a keyboard, then clean it up, after usage, with regular cleaning soft supplies without damaging (with a bit of care) the actual keyboard. Due to the nature of each keyboard having different keys emplacement, the keyboard manufacturers are shipping their keyboard with the pre-designed cover for each particular models they are selling. In early 2021, Walmart, for example, has replaced added those silicone covers on all of their employees keyboards that were used by 2 or more employees in a day and implemented a directive that you had to clean it up after each use before someone uses it afterward.
A little surprised no one in either video or the comments mentioned the use-case for the macropad (made specifically for rhythm games like Osu! or even just art program shortcuts) where you do not need more than 2-6 inputs. He didnt knock it, but by the end, Linus still seemed confused as to what the controller would actually be used for.
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@mollyhtmlame. They are pretty quirky though, which is a Plus.
It’s not out yet, but looking forward to the new Flux Keyboard!
Wouldn't mind buying the Machenike KT68 RGB 68 Key Wireless Mechanical Keyboard (using its full legal name because it is in trouble for having inconsistent input lag)
I love the idea of the doqo, keyboard with onboard usb hub, havent seen much of those, just want it on a quality-ish keyboard for laptop and tablet use.
KT68 RGB might be interesting if they fix the latency issues. I'd love to see it modded by someone like Hipyo Tech
My dad uses one of the rubber keyboards (it doesn't roll/fold) for his cnc to keep it safe from sawdust. Can confirm that it feels horrible.
I feel like you could just put a good keyboard in a clear bag and it'll be better
A possible use, though...
All our factory machines have the cheapest HP keyboards on the market. It malfunctions, they just pull out another one.
We have a literal container full of them.
If the man has a cnc, he has an air compressor. He'd be better off dusting off a $20 keyboard from Walmart every now and again.
It works tho. If it aint broken dont fix it
@@namantherockstar bro cant even get the channel abbreviation right 😂
Back around 2014, our school had the "genius" idea to replace all keyboards with those rubber keyboards cause kids would take out the keys and swap them or they'd get lost entirely. Not only that, they were also glued onto the desks. I was one of the people who deployed them (I was paid for it). Could immediately tell that was an awful idea. Programming on those was utterly impossible. They were vandalized even more because of how absolutely dogshit they were, and this time they couldn't easily be replaced. They lasted maybe two weeks until we un-glued them and went back to regular keyboards.
I'll take ideas that sounded good on paper for 500, please!
i like how democracy works, keyboards so bad you had to vandalize it
out of topic but because of your story i just remembered my classmates in highschool computer class who swapped the keyboards from a pc to the adjacent pc, basically the keyboard infront of you controls the pc besides you and vice versa. it was a great laugh, but they were called because of vandalism/tampering with school properties, the thing is the computer lab assistant was just there sitting on his chair watching them do it.
@@CottonballMonster As funny as that is, the education systems are a joke nowadays
I don't believe you are real people.
I had a roommate back in the day that got one of those all-membrane rollable waterproof keyboards, and when I tried it I had the same reaction as Linus. It technically functions as a keyboard, but it's so bad. Like, you know when you find the exact right keyboard, everything works the way you want, and pressing the keys just feels right? It's like the opposite of that.
I had PS/2 keyboard back in the day and bought the membrane thingy for Wii to chat in Monster Hunter Tri because it had USB. They shut down the servers soon after that. So it was literally used for like a dozen messages :D
I had one of those, great to just roll up and put in your bag for times when you need a keyboard and don't want to look for a crashcart
I had to use one of these while working with a raspberry pi as I had nothing else that was able to be carried in a backpack and my dad had it on hand. Drove me nuts to type on but if you understand that it's going to take more time to do anything it wasn't bad.
Man, some years ago my work replaced ALL the shop floor computer keyboards (dozens) those those exact rollable rubber membrane key boards. They redefined what a terrible keyboard was to me, and I got my start on those wierd chiclet keyboards on the computers in the early 80's.
The spa e bar is a bar shape but only in rubber, there's two single buttons inside that bar, and you have to hit one exactly to have it register a space. Same with return and backspace and the other big buttons - there's no brace or anything, just a gummy membrane switch somewhere in the overall "key".
I used to have one when I was a kid. It was like trying to type with boxing gloves on. It also stopped working after a handful of uses
the 45% keyboard is actually quite handy for artists with screen drawing tablets, it lets you maintain your keyboard shortcuts like ctrl+z while not having your keyboard clash against your drawing screen, or be behind, or be under your tablet, and not needing to learn new macros with the other solutions
Or even below the desk. That saves so much space.
I watched a mangaka artist use regular external numpad and remap or something to shortcut. So having this 45% is pretty awesome, more keys for macro.
Or better yet, just use a desk with a keyboard tray, and your drawing tablet on the desk. That's what I do.
Cftkb Romeo if u wanted to build a cheap nice 40% board think I built mine fro around £50
@@GENKI_INU I don't know why this isn't more common with desks nowadays. Once in a while I'll look for a replacement for my desk and so few of them have a tray.
Man, wanna reiterate how awesome it is labs is informing these opinions in such a substantial way. Moving to make the credibility backbone stronger was such a smart long term idea. Great work, team!!
FYI, some of these (like the laser keyboard) *do* have some generally unconventional use cases for them. I worked in an emergency room at a hospital once and there were computers/keyboards. But due to the serious risk of transmitting infection, keyboards were often treated as one-time use and dozens were discarded every day. So to avoid e-waste, washable and laser keyboards were sometimes used. Yeah, they were slow/hard to type on, and there are undoubtedly better solutions for most modern hospitals now, but even then, they were much better than the alternatives (in some ways)
They never had the genius idea of putting a clear plastic bag/sheet over the keyboard?
@@horseheadproductions7038 it would have to be constantly replaced,, its not just one person using the keyboard
@@complicxtionsreplacing a plastic sheet constantly is a lot cheaper than replacing the whole keyboard. In fact, it is probably cheaper to constantly replace plastic covers over the entire lifespan of the keyboard than it is to replace the whole keyboard even once.
That lack of forethought is the reason why healthcare in the US is expensive.
That's not as bad as the disposable tablets they use for patient insurance info.
We use washable keyboards at the hospital I work at specifically because the hospital is as waste conscious as they can be. It was before my time, but it was apparently a big deal when they switched because the hospital was so large and they replaced every single keyboard in the entire facility.
Every time someone complains about the keyboard, a nurse who was there during the switch makes sure to remind them that "at least they weren't there during the transition of keyboards" because it was 'that' big of a deal for infection prevention.
I use the foldable one with touchpad for work. I’m an field engineer who works on X-ray equipment in hospitals some times I need to connect to certain components in the generators, so I have this foldable keyboard and a 7inch screen that I connect. It’s very handy to keep the weight and space down and does not get damaged when it is in my tool case.
Really?
I can see the use case as well for specialized equipment work like I used to work on, or even now when I’m in data centers as an IT engineer. I personally carry a cherry point of sale keyboard and trackpad combo since it was free, compact, and very good quality….. but that foldable would be a lot nicer to just leave in a toolbox. In those cases comfort or speed dont matter, you just need to get the work done.
The rubber keyboard is pretty good for dusty or near water workshops. It never klogs and never breaks the switch.
Exactly
I've seen them advertised as for use in a medical setting as they're easy to sterilize. Or indeed for uhmm occupations that involve fluids.
The big issue with them is the press is not always registered also the pcb underneath can shift causing issues
If dust and waterproofing is what you want, get a TG3 TG3 KBA-(n)BLT and thank me later. It's the keyboard used inside cop cars, ambulances, drive through oil change places, etc. Uses real mx black mechanical switches covered in robber domes and it's damn near bullet proof.
They make similar ones for hospitals too. Meant to be able to just wash the whole thing after use.
9:39 The physical on/off switch is the best thing about it. We need that on all devices. Off needs to be OFF.
And on needs to be ON.
I'll pay $50 extra for a Bluetooth speaker that doesn't auto shutoff, it just as a switch, and its either always on or always off. Like honestly. I'm fucking tired of all of the new speakers just randomly turning themselves off (or on) for no apparent reason.
And halfway on and halfway off needs to be halfway on and halfway off
I have the exact laser keyboard. I obviously don't use it daily, that's way too slow, and not as comfy.
BUT, you missed out an awesome feature! that little arrow you mentioned toggles between keyboard and mouse mode, so you can move the mouse around by dragging your finger across the layout!
I replaced some extremely expensive industrially hardened keyboards with those soft rollable keyboards a few years ago (Not AliExpress ones obviously) and really don't have any complaints. Yeah they suck to type on, but they're in locations where people are typing a quick log entry at most. And so far they've lasted a few years at $30 a pop versus literally a few weeks for a normal desktop keyboard or a similar timeframe for 15-20x the price for a hardened keyboard.
Always remember the actual real world use case and the advertised use cases of products don't always align.
i mean i would buy them for a kid till i know they wouldn't break it
did you also ask the 'people [that] are typing a quick log entry at most' for their opinion? Or is it just you that doesn't have complaints? 😉😁
@@BoredMarcus I am one of the people typing on them. Probably more than most. And it's irrelevant when a normal keyboard is destroyed in a few weeks and hardened a keyboard is $400+ for something that still sucks to type on.
Worked in a warehouse where dust was a big issue. Instead of getting a protected keyboard, they kept the PROTECTIVE PLASTIC that comes over a keyboard.
Switched to a similar membrane thingy and it was horrible as well, but still a lot better than having a plastic cover over your keys at all time.
@@Siendra Hardened??? what do you mean? Mechanicals are like 15$ buddy.
Love videos where Linus tests out weird products. Always a good time.
you mean LTT towel?
Can’t wait till he tests out a shaver
@xtremecomputing5911 bro what😭
Supporting more e-waste, directly opposite of his framework investment and stance.
@@rayquazahere8529if i am not wrong austin is the one who started it
I remember I wanted one of laser keyboards when I was a kid sooooo bad, and I finally got one for Christmas and it sucked massively
Everyone at sometime did
I’m pretty sure the 6 keyed keyboard is for a macro or for osu
@@namantherockstar Just get an old Iphone, it does 4k. Or a Pixel 3/4. Under 100 bux.
@@namantherockstar you have already failed if you think it will work like that
@@namantherockstar no they don't
The little Typewriter Macropad looks like it would (potentially, depending on how well the software setup works) be great for use alongside a drawing tablet for fast controls for the likes of Photoshop etc.
Or a "minimalist" (QWEASD-only) gaming board.
it's amazing, I have one and it works great
Or as a streaming macro pad
or to play osu
also things like this exist for people needing accessibility, lots of different kinds of "switches", and are very helpful to the disabled in lots of different ways
I mean saying a 13.49$ keyboard costs less than your towel is gotta be the worst product endorsement for that towel you could have given.
There are actually good versions of those waterproof keyboards you tried. They are factories where normal keyboards get destroyed. They are especially common in areas where you are dealing with chemicals or super dusty environments. I would never use one as a normal keyboard. However, if you get one of the better ones they are a good keyboard to use while wearing gloves and working in a lab to take notes.
they are also commonly used in heavy duty military vehicles where dust and other debris might interfere with your keypresses, pretty cool stuff :)
I keep several on hand for our water jet machines
They are useful
Plastic bag...
I absolutely love the look of the transparent tablet keyboard. You guys should do a whole PC build based around being Transparent. My biggest complaint (other than that horrendous trackpad) is that the bottom of it was opaque.
Also, The Machenike KT68 is really cool being translucent. I definitely liked that part about it.
same, the trasparent dbrand ps5 case almost makes me want a console
The transparent keyboard probably has a metal plate. I've a similar kb that I got for my tablet with a black face
It's actually my daily driver! I have it with kailh box red switches. Absence of F keys and the need to use key combos for Home, End, Insert and other stuff took some getting used to, but I love it so much.
@@sparklingwater399 even though I rarely use it, I personally, wouldn't go for a 10keyless
A transparent gaming pc setup that prisoners enjoy LAN party,
The first one looks like a perfect fit for a shop keyboard,. No amount of aluminum chips would break or make the keys stuck on that one.
18:15 I'd argue the trackpad is not an issue if you use it for a tablet. Good enough for you to do something without raising your hand to touch a tablet screen.
I used a laggy one once...
It's actually annoying as fuck so I Just switched to touch to select and then bought a better mouse for my ipad
Yeah I had on of these for my surface tablet in uni. The trackpad is awful, but I usually used the screen or a wireless mouse, and it was nice to have a trackpad in a pinch.
Plastic bags???
The chassis of the Machenike KT68 reminds me of the transparent electronics popular in the 90s-2000s. I also really like the cyberpunk style key inscriptions on the keys.
I also noticed that there are versions with a configurable display. Nice.
Though the input latency does probably make it unsuitable for gaming and the only keyboard they sell with a numpad doesn't have any of the style the KT68 has.
its 55 dollar in China~~
The laser keyboard is so different that you'd need at least a full week to properly learn how to type with it.
18:44 These half keyboards, (the good ones) are great for laptop gamers. If you ever gamed on a laptop you know how much actual pain they cause when playing demanding games like FPS, MMOs or even MOBAs. (Using ctrl alt or shift combos for example)
A normal keyboard needs space in front of you so you have to move the laptop further, a half keybord perfectly fits on the left, symmetrical to your mouse on the right, with your laptops keyboard in the middle so you can still flame your team when they feed.
I used to use one of those half keyboards (a better quality one). They’re very useful in certain circumstances. In my case, I wanted to game with friends but only had a laptop and limited desk space at the time. I got a cheap half keyboard off Amazon and it worked perfectly. It’s not an everyday use type of product, but it’s great in specific situations. You just need to avoid the low quality ones.
I agree with you, my setup make me a bit of a "couch" gamer in that my main monitor for my PC is my room TV and I sit in a recliner to use it, I have a trackball mouse on one arm of the chair and a half keyboard or gaming keypad on the other arm. Works amazing for gaming and when I need a full keyboard I just use a full one in my lap.
Can confirm it has use cases. I use one in my Simpit, have it placed to the left of my Throttle.
@@Randon_Tain wait.. you game on your trackball mouse? what type of games though?? no way FPS shooters
I use a logi MX Ergo daily but game on a xbox controller
@@crh18 Oh boy. You know, traditional trackball mice might be technically obsolete and somewhat inferior compared to a good modern mouse when it comes to gaming, but back when there was no alternative, everyone played FPS' (or RTS', or ARPGs... plenty of mouse skill was required back then eh) with them, and they did basically just as well as modern gamers. It's not that much worse at all, and you can even do stuff that modern laser sensors don't allow - like using it on any surface good enough to get the ball rollin' (hehe). Sure, I probably wouldn't go back to shooters using a trackball, but that's what I used for a long time while playing CS, Halo and many others, and I was _pretty fucking good_ at it.
I'm an artist, and using a left-half keypad is great alongside a graphics tablet.
I remember the laser keyboard being touted for use with stuff like Palm, over IR. I’ve wanted one for ages because they look cool. But every review I’ve seen says they’re at best ‘okay’. And despite being advertised as a portable keyboard replacement they’re still kinda awkwardly chunky.
The like, "1/3 of a keyboard" is honestly great. I've used a mid quality one for years (not the one reviewed). It's fantastic for when you're gaming and only need the buttons that are really avaliable to your left hand.
I must mention that I game on a gaming "laptop" though, so I don't have a standalone keyboard and want something that is more ergonomic for my wrist.
Yup! I have the same opinion, it’s really fucking great for anything that’s not writing stuff, I use it to game, draw, and sometimes even study as it allows me to put my notebook closer to me while using google predict to search up everything I need
Absolutely love the lab integration here! I was concerned how they'd be utilized but that little blurb on the final keyboard was perfect.
Going on AliExpress for keyboards is like going to the zoo to adopt an animal 😭
LOL
💀
Thats how I got my pet
i actually got my keychron k3 from aliexpress, and didnt pay shipping!
@@tastymuffinmmyeah there is a lot of great normal keyboards in AliExpress
For me, the half keyboard is really good for use with my Steam Deck. I like to play some shooters with a dock, mouse, and keyboard since it was super cheap and still works decently for what I want to play.
I had one of those rubber roll up keyboards once since it seemed like a good idea at the time.. The trouble with them is that they ship rolled up or folded so they are never quite flat, but quite aside from that, once you get them properly flattened, they are still very spongy to type on and the key lettering for the most common keys wears off in almost no time.
I had one too, rolling it up for storage resulted in half the keys not working lmao. I even tried gaming on it 🤮🤮
The Canadian Museum of Science and Technology had lazer keyboards for their guest interactive computers as far back as I can remember. It's super cool and fits the theme, while also meaning there's just a little ledge to wipe down when a child inevitably spills something on the keyboard.
Of course, with recent renovations they just went to touch screen.
That "game pad" one, I've been considering hand-building something like that for gaming. I want my WASD keys a little further apart to better fit my hand and use a smaller footprint to make it easier to position my left hand in the most ergonomic position without interfering with my mouse area. The limited number of keyswitches would make it an ideal beginner electronics project.
There are lots of split keyboards. Dygma Raise, ergodox etc
L.
well i was thinking the same but not for gaming or something but i realized that are a lot of macropads with about enough buttons for gaming/any other needs, you buy the board then switches then keycaps and most of them use via in order to program them so id say unless yk how to code for adruino or you have so much time and you have soldering wiring skills, id say do it the "we have it at home" style cause you'll exceed the "DIY" route by a mile other than that you can buy the board fully built but customize it with the switches and keycaps, AND SOME OF THEM HAVE KNOBSSS
yo... forget any of these rediculous things...what you want is a Razer Tarantula v2
its everything you would ever need, and has an awesome thumb analog stick which is extremely handy.
i don't have one....but there are quite of few other companies that make something extremely similar to the Razer Tarantula that are reasonably priced and are perfect for anyone who plays pc games with a standard mouse and keyboard setup.
i know lots of people who own and use these religiously and they say it's the absolute best setup you can use.
see i play pc games "hybrid style" mouse in one hand and a console controller in the other.
I've been playing this way for over 25 years+ so i have no need for something like that....BUT I MOST DEFINITELY WOULD PLAY WITH ONE....if i didn't use the mouse/controller hybrid style im so used to for so long.
but definitely check those out ...people swear by them.
@@ZenRyoku Logitech G13 for me since it came out, probably the inspiration for the Razer. 25 keys, 3 banks or presets, but I don't think the thumb stick is analogue.
If you just want a WASD for gaming, I recommend you try to find a z-board fang. They have been out of production for over a decade, but still have the best "QWE ASD" block ever designed. The rest of the keys are a bit hit+miss in their positioning, so it's not the best if you need many additional shortcut keys.
1:39 In defense of the waterproof rollable keyboard, the backspace isn't being unresponsive in this case. Monkeytype does not allow you to backspace once you've cleared the previous word, in this case you already entered "hand" correctly, so you cannot backspace to correct "there".
Linus if I'd known that you'd be testing all these I could have told you to save your shipping time on any website because I swear I see all of these at thrift stores constantly, except maybe the docking station one, that was kinda neat.
He tried to show the new product (best case scenario). To be clear, used keyboard is way to go, i got one manufactured in 2014, bought it like 4 years ago. Only problem is LEDs started to die a few months after. But i sometimes changing them, granted it's basic 3mm 3V bulbs that i bought 100 of for a few dollars.
@@vadnegru "used keyboard is way to go" no, it's not unless you can't afford a new one, or the new ones you can afford are e-waste. For both personal and professional use the time spent potentially fixing it or having to replace it sooner than a new one does not justify the price difference, at least in my eyes.
@@LAndrewsChannel "new options are e-waste" are exactly my situation 4 years ago. I could buy a new one, but current works just fine.
5:12 , you are holding it wrong, you can hold it in the exact same way you would hold your smartphone, and in that way, you can type as fast as on the smartphone being fast. simple and comfortable to use.
Those silicone covers are super great in the workshop. I worked as a bike mechanic and we had our whole file system for what bike needs what done and so on fully digital so we were going back and forth between actually fixing stuff ans looking what parts and so on were to be installed on the pc and not having to wipe our handy every time we needed to type was such a game changer lol
These aliexpress episodes are always fun to watch! Sometimes products are true gems and other are funnier than jokes lol, starting by their page descriptions. Keep them going.
Those folding, pocketable keyboards(especially ones with a trackpad) are a pretty good companion for a steam deck and the like. They're quite a bit more functional than the trackpads and onscreen keyboard if you need to do something like editing an ini file.
I understand why many hate silicon keyboards. I really like this very pettable, quiet, easy clean, splash resistant style of keyboard.
Heck on an LTT desk pad, you've even got a soft landing, if you don't have well controlled strokes.
I had a more normal layout and the keys all worked (until they didn't at normal rubberdome shelf life. I definitely could type 85wpm+ 95% accuracy at least on my old silicon board.
It was actually the death of my silicon keyboard that led me to geekhack and mechanical keyboards.
Which considering, 100+ wpm on a good keyboard does still make a point about the silicon
I remember when I was in middle school (I'm 25 now), there was a guest speaker for one of my classes who showed the laser keyboard. During that time (roughly 2012-2013) all the students and I were so impressed at this.
20:17 Ergonomics. I use these on my desk when i'm using my pen tablet. On most applications, all the important shortcuts are on the left side. Which means you just get one of these and the right half of your keyboard, as well as the arrows and numpad, can be taken up by the tablet instead. The full keyboard is off to the side when i actually need it.
12:50 I'd like to see a brief - maybe a shorts - video update on the laser keyboard when used in a darkened room, just to see whether the keyboard functions better in darker environments than brighter ones.
I can't wait for the lab to have been running for a couple of years. I'm hoping that with all the testing that it gives us the ability to know which cheap Chinese suppliers can be trusted and which to avoid. I've been scammed a lot on wish and other similar sites but sometimes you get that product that is a hidden gem. I know that isn't the only reason for the lab's existence but it's a big part of what I'm excited for.
Why not just buy reputable products instead of wanting to know which chinese junk is less junk?
@@verakoo6187 Because sometimes it's not junk, sometimes they are good value products. Hence why I said hidden gems. I don't think it's right to discredit an entire race's engineers and product designers, due to their on average cheaper prices. There are also situations where specific parts can only be found from Chinese suppliers. So L + Ratio + bozo + stay mad + do better
That waterproof keyboard reminds me of cleanroom keyboards I used in the past. Speaking of which, it‘d love to see you test some cleanroom keyboards. I had to work with so many different designs during my career and they all sucked and gave me rsi. I feel like there must be a design that is at least acceptable to type on, but I haven’t encountered one yet.
I love how happy Linus seems in the latest vids. Enjoy taking a step back bud, you’ve earned it.
I had a rollable keyboard for years and years because it was always recognized by whatever device I plugged it into. Sometimes you or someone you know has boot issues and it's nice to have some device that technically works well enough to get you into the BIOS.
The typewriter macropad thingy is most likely for rhythm game players (say, osu! players, this is the most-of-the-times usecase).
And I believe the knobs that type numbers when turning are for people playing something like SDVX.
I’ve been using a similar setup with a gaming pad and 10 keyless and it definitely helped my ergonomics, but I recently remapped the keys to allow me to put them closer together. I have some serious frustrations because I can buy the left half of a mechanical keyboard for $50, but including the right side makes the price go up to $400
Keyboard has become a luxuries Item now for no reason
demand, you dont HAVE to buy an expensive one, but for the people that want them and are willing to pay for them, new entries are developed with all sorts of different characteristics
As a rule, whenever you notice a bunch of people doing something for no reason, it helps to ask them what the reason is.
And just like any other product in the industry, there's a budget category.
Interchangeable keycaps and switches ARE a good reason. In addition, some of the switches can withstand 100 million operations (according to the manufacturer ^^).
4:09 nice flex bro. Jealous of that WPM and accuracy.
Yay!! Finally putting the Linus back into Linus Tech Tips, giving the audience what they want! Don’t get me wrong I still enjoy the insane Alex projects and open server surgery with Jake. But have missed these random gadget reviews. Some of the best videos have been the guys just tooling around with RC Toys.
For the typewriter macropad, could be they had hot-swappable keys to appeal to the Osu! playerbase, as having a mechanical 2+ button pad is useful to not destroy your keyboard keys, and maybe the knobs could be used for volume control, idk.
So the issue with backspace on the first keyboard is actually not the keyboards fault. There's a setting in monkeytype that doesn't let you go back to previous words after hitting space, and it's enabled by default
10!? You should have bought 20!
HEY MICHAEL SUPERBACKER
i saw u in Allen pans videos
Micheal Superbacker? THE Micheal Superbacker?
@@sadeq9330 hello! Wow cool you watch Linus too?
@@TheBoip TheBoip? THE TheBoip?
The Machenike seems pretty decent but for the price it's about what I'd expect. As others have stated Keychron and a bunch of other companies make pretty decent boards and some of them offer full customizability through VIA, a well known third party tool for QMK firmware keyboards.
I got the H20 variant of the H18, it has the touchpad on one side and a *real* keyboard on the other. You use the gyro to switch between them. It actually functions pretty nice, and is the only wireless keyboard I have which doesn't drop inputs, which isn't exactly a high bar I know but I can appreciate its reliability.
Man I would hate having to use a capacitive keyboard.
That first one is a “behind the bar” keyboard. Works great with wet fingers and are cheap to replace when they eventually break due to the abuse ;)
I had the exact model for the 45% keyboard, it works quite well if you rebind the keys and make them hotkeys for something like a sound board
What software did you use?
0:42 Linus roasted his own Merch (Towel) 💀
If people actually put the work into improving laser keyboards, I'd be absolutely in love with it
I adore Linus. Even though, I don't build a computer, which I want to one day, but I just watch for the tech because I love tech and his silliness.
14:01 I wouldn't worry about the software - you're already plugging in random Chinese hardware into your puter.
You got the thing right about Plouffe. He's just the type that compares everything to the most expensive option.
Very elitist, like most keyboard enthusiasts.
@@alexandrecosta2567 and not even just keyboards, most of his videos are just complaining about how "you can save up and just buy X item for 3x more", instead of being relative to the price and budget.
@@amdsy3d521 Exactly! I love mech keyboards, and I love LTT, but i cant watch his videos for the life of me.
I use one of those half-keyboard "game pad" replacement things because the Zboard Merc Stealth was the greatest keyboard ever made and they're now around $2500 on eBay and no longer manufactured. I tried a Razer game pad thing and ... fewer keys, nonsense rubberized wrist wrest (whose adhesive melted and the whole pad moved or detached), and high brand price. Current one is made by 7Keys, comes with RGB controlled by FN+F3 combo and works darn well for me.
Why not just get a half of one of the many split keyboards out there, like Lily58 or something? Most of them are 110% programmable.
As someone who uses a drawing tablet and would love more shortcuts when drawing... This tiny green keyboard looks amazing
Machenike is actually not bad, they're more on the rugged designs than features so their features are not totally up to date (like for example they still use north facing leds, and prolly has no foam, and is hollow sounding out of the box) but I can't deny that their designs are soooo cool. they are not a bad buy, a little bit of modding should do the trick to make it sound better but you mostly will buy this for its design.
The gag at 2:43 had me in stitches, for reasons unknown
It would be cool to see how the first rollable keyboard would work when placed on a hard surface. It's probably still bad but the backspace might work.
13:10 thats an osu keypad
Man I am glad you're back to doing videos again! Thank you!!
I had an unexpected ton of fun watching this. Thanks, guys ❤️
19:48 on the 45% keyboard, i can also justify the existence. i bought one of those a few years ago, back when my desk space could barely fit in a mouse and keyboard side by side. it was great for mouse+keyboard games. gives you more room like linus said, for mouse movement, or to fit a drink or snack instead on the tiny desk lol. but I specifically bought it to use with my drawing tablet. i got used to keyboard shortcuts on the left hand tablet pen in the right. and the 45% was the only way to fit both on my desk at the time haha
Linus acting surprised is the least believable thing ever 😅
ye, he's certainly doing more and more acting these days in his videos
@@kingjaskowhy u say that
@@unknownclint1740 Because that's what he does. That being said, this is far from the only channel where the main host has lost its sincerity. Either they do it for the money and/or they change overtime and have to act to play a role that used to come naturally to them. That's why I stopped watching many channels like AVGN and that The Completionist.
@@thenonexistinghero sorry to break your childhood, but the AVGN has always been scripted & acted
@@thenonexistinghero They have to do those sort of things to remain relevant (and growing) on this platform. Honestly. I don't always like it but LTT is a business after all, as are the other channels.
China has been coming out with some nice "custom" mechanical keyboards. I got a royal kludge r98 for my work and it's a nice premium heavy feeling keyboard, nice 3 color design (fits my company colors too 😂) with hot swap switches, solid rgb, nice typing feel (the reds are a little sensitive for me but when you're on a roll it's nice) and all for just like $70 or so from amazon
Find it funny that Linus is amazed by the Machinike keyboard having hotswappable switches and backlit-RGB. Plouffe should totally get the Royal Kludge for half the price 😂
20:00 for those small, one-half keyboards, you actually find them decently often in the flight simming community (albeit at a higher quality). They're usually employed in a setup where you have each half connected to the respective flight stick mount, keeping your keyboard in easy reach even mid flight
I'm curious whether your team did any testing for keyloggers or phone-home tunnels being opened on any of these. First thing i'd wonder about aside from the obvious build quality and usability.
That is kind of hard to check for the keyboards which don't require software/WiFi access. If there were some kind of SIM in it, it could send data though.
I'm not sure if we have the same lazer keyboard ( there are a few of them), but here are some interesting points about the one that I have:
* It works on both Bluetooth, and wired via USB.
* It doesn't need special drivers.
* It can also be used as a trackpad mouse ( that's what those gestures were that you saw in the manual.
* Red is the most common colour, but they are also available in green (what I have).
* You need to be careful what surfaces you use it on. Otherwise you can end up with laser in the eye, which sucks.
* You need more space than you might assume. You need enough for the device, the projection, and the gap.
* If the surface isn't flat, it loses accuracy quickly.
* Mine comes out of the box about once every 2 years "This thing was so coo... oh yeah, I remember why I don't use it" (lack of tactile feedback)
The lack of tactile feedback I could get used to, but the inability of using two keys at the same time(which wasn't mentioned in this video or in your points) is just a killer. Also from a technical standpoint I can't see the reason why the SHIFT zone can't be a toggle in the software like how it is on other devices. CTRL and ALT might make sense, but at least SHIFT means the keyboard is at least always able to type things.
@@setcheck67 it doesn't surprise me that some of them are like that. My one definitely does allow multiple keys at the same time (I just tested it to be sure)
3:20 only Linus would test out the waterproofness of something and potentially killing it immediately, before even testing anything else first xD
Wrong time
that is correct, was probably supposed to be 0:20. good thing you corrected that 6 months later lol@@johnparkes2452
That was a (short) period of time in Brazil where those rubber keyboards were trendy. At least in my city, I remember those dollar stores selling flexible keyboards in all kinds of colors. It didn't last long for obvious reasons
That typewriter thing is just 2 buttons away from being a perfect Sound Voltex controller LOL
My last job had one of those roll-up flexible keyboards for a label printer. I'm not sure why the company got them in the first place, given we just used the numpad, so we could've just gotten a USB numpad or something, but our location took advantage of the rubberized body to thumbtack it to the wall.
An interesting gaming/macro pad alternative might be one of those mice with 12 side buttons. I've got a G600, and it is great to have all that on a mouse.
I love that mouse so much. It's probably one of the best computer accessories I've ever purchased - the ability to have 2 layouts and switch them with just a quick click is fantastic - or the auto layout feature in the logitech software that recognizes what you use and switches it accordingly. I can't even talk about how useful that can be
Keyboards are probably one of the easiest yet most complicated topics that come with pcs XD
And mice!
@@fusseldieb and cases. It's the three things where personal preference really matters.
7:17 I got the non-touchpad version of this (hate touchpads) and carry it with my power bank, I use it for editing the web files I use for keeping track of my budget, beyond that it normally sits un-used, still the best experience I've had thus far for portable keyboards.
10:00 I remember one of these laser keyboards being a prominent plot point in an episode of CSI, been fascinated with that as a kid. Good times.
Linus saying "what the heck" and not "what the fuck" feels like he knows his kids watch his videos, so he doesnt curse
I think less swearing in videos makes it easier for advertising
As good as that last keyboard may be compared to the others, it’s definitely not the best value considering there are plenty other hot swappable options on the market, with good quality switches and similar features for about half the price.
Something I constantly do when I make a typo is hold down CTRL when I press BACKSPACE which deletes the entire word rather than one character. Can be faster than spamming BACKSPACE a bunch.
ha yeah, I'm amused that Linus doesn't have that in muscle memory
Damn, you just changed my life dude !
my best guess is, the typewriter micropad is specifically for stenographers who type in a shorthand that is pretty much its own language.
i could also see it used for specifically quick entry of hexidecimal values, or for quick casting in a MOBA
That’s not enough keys for a steno board. Steno boards have 20ish keys.
I bought a cheap full keyboard with macro keys with HORRIBLE software, next time I am buying a regular keyboard and one of those auxiliary micro keyboards, they seem nice.
Unfair to the rolling flexible keyboard. You had it on a rubbery deskpad. I works MUCH better on a hard surface. When I worked karaoke at bar, having a keyboard like this that could shrug off spills was a definite plus. Also very useful in health care situations, since it is silicone, you can sanitize/sterilize it with alcohol or iodine or something similar. Yeah, still not he greatest, but they work great in specific situations like bars, kitchens, or healthcare.
1:30 isn't the bad feeling perhaps because of the desk mat? If the keyboard's flexible...
In all honesty, USB is actually a great way to get malware on a system via a variety of methods. A director of our company bought a random Chinese keyboard off of Amazon, said his machine was acting all weird. The device manager showed up with about 6 or 7 different devices when the kb was plugged in - god only knows what they were doing. As soon as we switched him to a 'normal' branded keyboard - no more issues.
If they were 6-7 identical keyboards, that's okay. That's how cheap keyboards implement support for pressing multiple buttons.
Some well-known brands of keyboard show up as multiple devices in device manager as a result of how chipsets and Windows facilitate N-key rollover, media keys, macros, etc. I've got keyboards from Keycool, KBParadise, Plum, and Creative that show as 2-4, and Razer is known to as well. Only board I have that's mechanical and bigger than 60% layout and DOESN'T show as multiple devices is an older and non-gaming model from Cherry.
Since my newer and more expensive boards show as less devices per key, I wonder needing 6-7 means there was actual malice/malware in the board or just a cheap and glitchy attempt to check off some marketing specs.
I have a gaming mouse somewhere which, I think is from Logitech (but can not confirm since I do not remember where I put it), has 5 macro keys and each key appears as a separate keyboard. At the time, I contacted them and they told me that they did that so that the macros can run concurrently (meaning you can activate all the other macros before the first finishes). Note that the macros are only programmable with their software and can contain delays.
That said, I would not trust a random Chinese keyboard or amazon.
Thing is, ali express actually has some great custom keyboard parts for cheap
Yeah like the GMK67, that one's good
Can you recommend literally any decent ergonomic keyboards from Ali? (single piece, possibly with a trackpad in the middle) I'm so tired of searching.
@@Jamato-sUn KPrepublic BM40
@@MAGAIVER I see no trackpad there
@@marcheeto4978Hardly cheap though
I have a keyboard that's the exact same as the tablet keyboard, but it's white and doesn't have a trackpad. the really cool thing about it is that it actually came with a case for my iPad 9th gen, and it's magnetic so that it can stick to the case when it's closed. My sister got one as well, and she loves it for college. (The case also has an apple pencil holder, which I love!)
That was definitely my favourite in this video really portable and going by the test really accurate for typing
I picked up a Bluetooth keyboard that's basically the same layout without the folding and track pad. Works great, got for like four bucks in a resale store. It's definitely cool having cross device compatibility!
5:41 Why is Linus trying to touch-type on this? It looks like a thumbboard.
exactly my thoughts, he should've used it like a screen keypad
This feels like a MrWhostheboss video
@@51498jrod Me tooo
Thanks for reviewing that foldable one. I’ve been looking for something basically exactly like that for on the go for my steam deck. It’s better the. I expected since it does phone and tablet too. Gonna order one today
Same! I ordered one for exactly the same reason
I also checked if there is anything like it on the market and I'll say there is but just more expensive or just worse
@@gandeldalf I've been looking for a little bit, and this ticks all the boxes for features. I'm glad they reviewed it. I would have ignored it on my own.
The silicone covers (I call them "keyboard condoms") are something that has come up as a standard around 2020-2021 public and/or shared PC in work spaces.
Basically, it allows you to use a keyboard, then clean it up, after usage, with regular cleaning soft supplies without damaging (with a bit of care) the actual keyboard.
Due to the nature of each keyboard having different keys emplacement, the keyboard manufacturers are shipping their keyboard with the pre-designed cover for each particular models they are selling. In early 2021, Walmart, for example, has replaced added those silicone covers on all of their employees keyboards that were used by 2 or more employees in a day and implemented a directive that you had to clean it up after each use before someone uses it afterward.
A little surprised no one in either video or the comments mentioned the use-case for the macropad (made specifically for rhythm games like Osu! or even just art program shortcuts) where you do not need more than 2-6 inputs. He didnt knock it, but by the end, Linus still seemed confused as to what the controller would actually be used for.