Moonlander vs Ergodox - Split Keyboard Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- I think this is a first of it's kind on RUclips.
I'm comparing the Moonlander against the ErgoDox. Ergonomic Split keyboards from ZSA.
Hope you enjoy it!
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0:00 Intro
0:28 B-Roll Comparison
1:17 Price, Customisation & Shipping
3:35 Moonlander vs Ergodox Size Comparison
5:06 Moonlander vs Ergodox Build Quality Difference
7:41 Setup
8:48 Moonlander vs Ergodox Sound Comparison
10:01 Software Differences
11:18 Moonlander vs Ergodox Ergonomics
14:10 Final Thoughts
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Refreshing to have no background music, relaxing and non intrusive
Thanks! :)
It's so refreshing I had to readapt to it! I like this a lot more tho. Thanks for the video
That was refreshing, truly.
I was wondering why i was so engaged! I knew there was something different 😅 have to agree I prefer this style
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Thank you ❤️🙏 glad you enjoyed it. Hope I get there slowly. 🤞
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As an owner of both (though I have an early ergodox, there may have been minor improvements to later shipments) I feel this comparison omits or downplays major differences and overplays minor ones.
Here are the major differences that I see:
* Ergodox has 6 keys on the thumb cluster (2x2u, 4x1u), and I found 3 were easy to press. Moonlander has -4x2u- 1x2u, 3x1.5u keys on the thumb cluster, all of which I find easy to press. I think this is mostly due to the angle the thumb cluster makes with the rest of the keyboard, the ergodox isn't angled sharply enough making it awkward to press any keys that aren't near the bottom of the thumb cluster.
* The thumb cluster on the moonlander tilts! In the down position, the thumb motion is far more natural (the thumb naturally wants to move perpendicular or towards your palm, not away from your palm as a flat keyboard requires). The up position is supposedly better for smaller hands, though looks like it would use an awkward thumb motion. The ergodox thumb cluster is fixed flat.
And more minor but still relevant differences that were omitted:
* The ergodox EZ cable plugs into the right half of the keyboard, and is angled to the right. If you want to use your split keyboard as a one-handed gamepad, then this is an annoyance for right-handers. Further, that angles the cable towards the mouse, a further annoyance for right-handers. The moonlander cable plugs into the left half and has a straight plug. In both cases they use standard connectors and can be replaced with one which better meets your needs (though obviously you can't change which half of the keyboard it plugs into).
* Ergodox is a design that has been around and didn't start with ZSA, so you can find full Ergodox keycap sets. OTOH it uses many relatively uncommon1.5u keycaps. The moonlander uses -entirely 1u and 2u- fewer caps that aren't 1u or 2u, a bit easier if you want to replace some keycaps without getting a full set, though I don't think I've seen a full set for sale from 3rd parties.
* The moonlander wrist rest comes attached to the keyboard, though it can be folded underneath or removed. This means it responds better to keyboard tilting and tenting. The ergodox wrist rest is a separate item, and wont adjust with your tilt/tent.
* Adjusting the thumb cluster tilt pretty much requires a hex key (included) on the moonlander. The ergodox tilt/tent can be adjusted purely with thumb screws.
* There is a tripod mounting kit available for the moonlander. If you want to do something similar with the ergodox, you need to go full DIY, and will have a less sturdy result. True this is niche, but still a difference that may be relevant.
* The moonlander is better for people on the go. It comes with a carry case, and the wrist rest folds in under. With the ergodox you need to leave the wrist rests behind or allow extra space to pack them. Plus come up with your own carry case, or buy a 3rd party one. It's still viable to travel with the erodox, but if you will do it a lot the moonlander is definitely the better pick.
* The ergodox housing raises above the switch base level, the moonlander had the switches level with the housing. People will have their own preferences on aesthetics but the moonlander design is easier to clean the dust out and more likely for minor liquid spills to roll off rather than pool in the housing.
Things that I thought were over emphasized in this comparison:
* The outside legs on the ergodox aren't really useful. I almost always have them pretty much horizontal. The ergodox is technically more adjustable, but the moonlander gives you around 90% of the adjustability you would actually want to use. As mentioned in the video, the outside legs are available for the moonlander as a separately purchased accessory, though I agree with ZSA that they aren't necessary.
* The included moonlander cable is usb c to usb c with an adapter for usb a on the computer side. Sure, this is an improvement over the ergodox (usb a to mini usb), but I'm not sure that it warranted that much attention over what is basically a $10 adapter.
Overall both keyboards are great, and they are more similar than different. I would pick the moonlander over the ergodox for almost all cases though.
The piano keys on the Moonlander are 1.5u, the "launch any" key is 2u. Either way that may also contribute to it being easier to reach all the thumb cluster keys as you say
@@pockster2854 You are totally correct about the piano keys, not sure how I got that wrong. I still think the angle is the bigger factor, the issue I had with the ergodox thumb cluster was definitely about reaching the upper keys. So yeah, probably discount the stuff I say about the moonlander in my second point.
@@shopt6933 no problem, your point still stands and part of what you said got me even more excited to get my hands on a Moonlander! ^^
I have to agree with the other person's comment on here.. No stupid graphics or zingers, no stupid royalty free music... just absolutely clean and quiet BG with a good mic/voice quality. perfect. Thank you.
Totally appreciate and dig how professional and unbias you were towards both boards. You definitely got a new subscriber here mate!!!
Excellent format, really well spoken, honest and concise. Thank you Sohil.
Sohil, amazing video. Seriously. You speak well, slow, to the point, and you raised very good points. Video quality was amazing; I appreciated the different comparisons so one could truly see the difference between the two keyboards.
One small thing: I wish you spend a bit more time talking about one of the biggest differences: the thumb area. There are less keys on the moonlander and they are oriented differently. Would have been nice to see what you had to say about that in comparison to the other one.
Thank you so much!
Thanks for the feedback and glad you enjoyed the video. ❤️
Yes I’ve gotten a few comments about that and a few of us have differing opinions on it. I love the moonlander mainly because 3 keys are enough. But others in the comments feel like the extra keys come in handy for them.
Thanks again and maybe I can cover that in a future video.
this is a great quality video, informative as it could be and extremely well made
This was a very informative and detailed video. I currently have 2 Ergodox EZ keyboards, and all I can say is that they're indeed really comfortable.
Just one thing to point out: you used the wrong wing (the wrist rest) for the right-hand ergodox part. (Yes, they are actually differently shaped to match the shape of the ergodox.)
Just discovered you with this video. INSTANT subscribe! Fantastic production. You're precise in speech and in presentation, you take your time and you don't seem to be in a rush to get done. I love this.
I ordered my Moonlander a week and a half ago and it arrives tomorrow. I guess I got lucky. Very excited. Thanks for the comparison!
lmao uploaded one day ago and I'm about to buy one of those today! Thank's for your video, will make things a lot easier! :D
In case you read this, I went with the ErgoDox ^^
Glad This came in handy!!! And hope you enjoy the ergodox!!!
Nice video. High quality content. Also loved the honest and slightly snarky presentation style.
Thanks! Really useful video for somebody new into the keyboard ergonomics.
Thank you for doing this review! I have been trying to decide between these two, and your video has helped be make my choice. Excellent work!
Great!
what was your choice if I may ask?
Thank you for the great review! I wasn't sure which one to go with, but now I made up my mind. Thanks for the extensive, quality review :)
Glad I could help!
Thank you for detailed review man!
Thank you! 🙏❤️ and thanks for subscribing
I like how you take your time to think while you talk. And how you always look like you're about to make a joke, but rarely do. I also like your observations! Fresh style, thanks for the review.
Thank you! Really appreciate it. ❤️
Wonderful review! My old, normie, keyboard is on its way out and I've been considering the jump to ergonomic keyboards. I've been considering both of these and your video was just what I was looking for. Thank you!
Great! Glad I could be of help!
Thanks, exactly what I was looking for ))
Nice job, Sohil! Great, solid content, well-done! Now I wish you'd stop feeding my desire for a wildly expensive keyboard!
Thank you! Really good review. I could see everything I wanted to
Great to hear. Which one did you go for?
Good comparison, great video. This was quite helpful.
very cool and soothing lighting choice. this video is such a hidden gem. I'm in the process of shopping for a split keyboard. your video is very helpful. just curious, did you get your replacement part for moonlander? if so, hopefully it's much better. have you had any issue with moonlander since then?
Editing on that intro is sooo sick, usually watch your dev videos (fellow fac graduate here!), and this was something super niche that I'm not particularly interested in, but just leaving a comment to say this video is so well put together, shot and edited.
Curious, what is that soft pink background on the table shots? Do you have a soft pink table?
Thank you sooo much. ❤️🙏❤️
That’s my soft pink desk mat. 😅 the brand is called knodel on Amazon. Very good price for the quality!
I’m glad someone is watching my dev videos. ❤️
this is some high-quality production my guy
Very, well executed comparison 👌 Thanks.
I appreciate this comparison. Thank you!
Hey! I have a question about the Moonlander keyboard. By using the legs on it, you can position it to be raised at a specific range of angles. My question is how strong are these pivot points? How much weight can I put on a raised Moonlander without the legs pivoting? Thanks!
I enjoyed your video. Thank you for speaking slowly and clearly.
I have owned ergodoxez for a few years. It’s the only keyboard I have used since. In fact I have 2, one for home and work. I like it because of the points stated and the amazingly easy key customization. I needed to move keys around because their normal placement bugged my hands.
I now own a moonlander as well. I like it but I recently went back to the ergodoxez because of tenting. Tenting for me is huge, so I purchased the extra leg for the moonlander. Unfortunately, you can’t tilt the moonlander forward or inverted without it becoming unstable . This is not an issue for the ergodoxez. I need to type how you would play piano with your wrists flat. When you do this, your fingers fall lower than your palm and I find it to be the most natural hand position. If I have a bend in my wrist then that can cause trouble for me. I also use wrist pads to rest my raised palms as well. This is all possible with the ergodoxez , so back to ergodoxez. In fact, I’m falling in love with it again.
My only question is how could a company that clearly puts so much thought into design make such a colossal screw up on tenting? A little form over function problem I think. I am not the only one either. Look on Reddit and other places and you will see people 3D printing parts to overcome the issue. I think the moonlander could have been the best so far except for this oversight. I feel like the designers turned in the best essay ever and forgot to spellcheck the title. If the maker is reading this, then please fix it! Better yet make a dactyl version. Last but not least, anyone looking for a mint condition moonlander in black?
I come from two years in the future to purchase your black moonlander
@@itsArridian I wonder if he still has it or someone got first dibs on the BIN offer.
Hey, if you tilt the boards at max, which one is more comfortable? I'm thinking about that the moonlander's wrist rests are made of plastic whereas the one's of the ergodox seem to be more soft, yet unconnected to the board which could also be a problem. What's your experience with that? Is the plastic more uncomfortable? Is the unconnected wrist rest an issue for the dox?
When you have it tilted at max, the ergodox rest pad is not quite in line with the rest of the board, mainly because of how high you can adjust the keyboard.
If you compare that with the moonlander where it's attached to the board, it will always stay in line with the keyboard no matter the position of the tenting.
With regards to the material, I like them both, no significant difference in terms of the primary job they try to achieve.
so to answer your questions:
- no plastic is just fine
- yes, there is a height gap, but we have not found that to be an issue as we rest my palms on these.
Hope this helps!
Thank you for the comparison!
Great video! Also love the picture and sound - have you ever shared details on your video producing setup - camera, mic, light.
A really great comparison of the two devices. Exactly what I was looking for. So did you have the time to make a video about the software (as mentioned)? It would help me a lot. Also your experiences in daily work. Thank you.
Thank you!
Haven’t made the video on the software yet. But the keyboard has been in use pretty much since this video was made and I love it.
I think i might be pretty far down the rabbit hole, all i wanted was a back space button as half of the space bar.
Really really good video man, thank you!
Thank you ❤️
Oh man, I really wanted some thoughts comparing the thumb clusters. those thumb clusters are quite different, and my gut tells me the ergodox is better, but I haven't had the opportunity to test either.
very detail and hit the point comparison, thanks
Thank you for this comparison! You have a nice, relaxing voice. The sound volume is definitely too low, I had to turn it up considerably for this video.
I own an Ergodox and I think that you have made a very good description.
thanks for making this! i had almost pulled the trigger on the moonlander but after seeing such a detailed comparison, i think the ergodox is a much better option for me. that broken thumb joint on the lander is 😬
Glad I could help!Let me know what you think of it once it's in your hands :)
Literally learned about the moonlander last week and decided to finally buy a split keyboard yesterday, perfect timing on this video ❤️
Glad I could help!
Same here. I've been about to pull the trigger on one of these but decided to go for a Dumang DK6 instead
@@SamuelJohnsonplus How did I not hear about this until now? It's pure genius, and unlike other overpriced ergonomic keyboards, this one seems to be worth the money. Of course, I had to find it out from a quasi-homonym :D
How well can you use the Moonlander thumb cluster when it's pivoted down? I know yours it broken, but you used it rented for a while, right?
If it's hard to reach, that's probably going to be deciding factor for me
It works well for me. I don't have it tilted fully. About 50% tilt applied to my one.
I can access all three keys. The last one is a bit of a stretch but not unreachable my any means. I usually use the first two keys A LOT.
Hope this helps!
Very good video, great editing too.
Just ordered my Moonlander and I'm very excited to get it!
I had the Planck before but being Danish and having an additional three letters in the alphabet made the Planck painful to use with its limited key count.
How are you positioning your mouse with the Moonlander and is it more comfortable than a regular keyboard?
Glad you enjoyed it! Hope you get it a little quicker than 5 weeks. 🤞🤞🤞
Ohh the plank! I love the size of that thing. 😅
@@SohilPandya1 Got it in just 2 weeks! They shipped it after only around 10 days. Really happy with it so far despite the learning curve (switched to Colemak DHM too).
@@Patrickblox how's it going with your moonlander?
@@valethemajor Still use it every day! Anything specific you want to know?
@@Patrickblox are you using all the keys? So many people I've talked to have told me they have gone to a 36 key or so layout on the Moonlander.
How do you feel about the thumb cluster when or if you even tent?
Excellent review thank you
I own an Ergodox that I use at work (surprisingly, I'm still in the office), and I'm looking to get a Moonlander for use at home. This video was very useful for the extra information and comparison between the two; thanks for going in-depth, and great quality as well! The size difference between the two surprised me, so I'm even more excited to get a Moonlander now considering just how sleek it looks in comparison to the bulkier Ergodox (not that bulky is bad, but each fits a different aesthetic).
Unfortunately for the Ergodox, I have to say that personally, I hate the rubber wrist rests because I got the black version and they look filthy after just a day or two. Definitely looking forward to the easier-to-deal-with plastic on the Moonlander.
I'm thinking of getting, but I have my reservations. Based on your experience, how does this compare to a traditional keyboard?
@@brandon9638 I may not be the right person to ask; I went through the several-month transition from QWERTY to Dvorak before I bought the Ergodox, so making the switch to the keyboard itself was child's play in comparison.
To put this in perspective as best I can, I was typing around 90WPM on a Logitech K780 (rubber-dome, non-mechanical) before I switched, and the switch took me down to about 75WPM until I got used to the spacing between the keys, the feel of the keyswitches (I went with MX Browns), the positioning of each half, key-travel, and, of course, the layout itself. Getting back up to my original speed took me a few weeks of actively practicing (probably around 10-15min a day doing typing tests on top of regular usage), but now I'm typing faster and more comfortably as a result.
Most of the past few weeks for me, besides actually typing, has been configuring the keyboard layout in Oryx, which is both daunting and fun at the same time. However, there are stock layouts you can go with if you don't want to take the time to configure everything. The only other thing that's interesting about the switch is that you actually want to start with the halves flat on your desk and close together as if they were a normal keyboard, then slowly move them out and tilt them (if you buy the tilt-kit). Believe it or not, the transition can actually be painful if you do it all at once because your body is so used to typing with your hands together.
Don't get me wrong, I love the keyboard to death, but if you don't want to go through the hassle of learning it, doing some configuring, and having people gawk at it every time they walk past you typing, then the keyboard may not be for you. I would, however, argue that your future self will thank you for putting in the work to reduce strain when typing, because my hands get tired or hurt FAR less often than they did when I used a standard keyboard.
I also have my concerns about that pivot point, definitely a point of failure. And I don't think the new thumb clusters are an improvement over the old ones, which IMO also could have been better. I actually ended up using the keys under the C and V keys as thumb keys, and only ever use the innermost thumb key.
Just copped the moonlander, great vid man
Great video thanks !
How about a comparison between the Ergodox, Moonlander and the Dygma raise?
I am personally am trying to decide which one of these 3 to buy.
I know that the Dygma does not have an ortholinear key layout, but I would be interested in a comparison for someone that is just getting into the market for ergonomic mechanical keyboards.
I’d love to do the comparison. I don’t think I can buy another keyboard though. 😅
I’ve asked if dygma would send one my way so I can compare it. But doubt that’ll happen.
😅
Man I really appreciate your review. Thanks a lot. I just need to get the money and then I'll go for it.
Great, that this video exists! That is exactly the comparison I needed and I still can't believe that someone has done it. :D
However, I missed more info about the most important difference for me and it is the ergonomics of the thumb cluster. Ergodox has more keys, but are they all usable and accessible. The moonlander has it's thumb cluster more close to the keyboard so the thumb comes closer to the hand when reaching for them, is it good or bad?
Great question. Slightly talked about the key layout but nothing explicit about the thumb cluster.
For me the moonlander thumb cluster is easier to access. But you can probably find comments on this video where the opposite is true for some people. If you have small hands I’d go for the moonlander.
Got the pre-2018 Ergodox EZ. It's still great. I just saw the Moonlander on their website so I was curious. Not much differences between the two, conclusion I got from watching your video. Thanks.
quality video. great review.
great video! How do you personally feel about Ultimate Hacking Keyboard compare to these?
Your audio is fantastic, do you have any room acoustic treatment or is it mainly the wonder of the Sm7b?
If you go back to 15/20 videos you’ll see how bad the audio was, so really appreciate this comment.
It’s mainly the sm7b. It does wonders. I live next to a very very busy road and it does a good job of making it sound like I’m in the middle of nowhere
thanks brother, I thought for a long time what to choose between these keyboards, but my soul was closer to ergodox, thanks to your review, I definitely decided to take ergodox and ordered it)
@Sohil Pandya 10:19 "You name it, I have it" .... Does it have the functionality, when you press multiple keys simultaneously it acts as a different key / triggers macro? E.g. : pressing keys 'JKL' at the same time is enter instead? Can it do it? Thanks!
Yep, got macros here's a great article from Oryx - blog.zsa.io/2003-oryx-macros/
@@SohilPandya1 let me rephrase it then.... Is it possible for the keyboard send the Enter key pressed on more keys pressed at the same time? E.g.: Pressing keys J K and L simultaneously will act as Enter, not as J K and L? Is that possibility there?
@@hellobeautifulpeople5263 if I've understood you correctly, then I'm not sure if that's possible, you can of course mod this with QMK, but that's a step too far me :)
Thank you for this comparison. I was looking for such a video for a long time. I currently have an Ergodox. I bought it about a year ago, and I use it for my daily job. My biggest complaint with the Ergodox is the high profile and the wrist rests. Besides accumulating a lot of dirt, the wrist rests tend to move when I reach for the outer keys. Also they do not have any tenting profile as the keyboard does. With regard to my previous Thinkpad keyboard the Ergodox causes my wrists to bend up, and this causes me some discomfort. This made me look at the Moonlander as an alternative. Did you notice any difference in the position of your wrists when using the Moonlander w.r.t. the Ergodox?
Hey! I personally prefer the lower profile for the moonlander. I know it may sound weird but I had to adjust my searing a tiny bit when using the ergo due to it being slightly higher profile.
There is a difference in that the rest will always be in the right place no matter what position you set the moonlander, if you compare that with the ergodox, if you've positioned it higher the rest pad will be much lower as they don't move with the keyboard.
Hope this helps!
@@SohilPandya1 thanks. I just bought the moonlander, so I'll have the chance to compare both:)
@@capitanbatata I'm eager for your comment on the moonlander. What's your experience so far compared to the ergodox?
@@WalterGuillermo I like the Moonlander better.
The Moonlander is lower than the Ergodox, so this makes a huge difference for me. I also like the fact that the wrist rests are attached, so they are not moving everywhere when I'm typing. The Moonlander's wrist rests were designed with the keyboard, and not added as an afterthought.
The only issue I found so far is that I cannot used tented: the tenting mechanism uses the thumb cluster. I have medium to large hands, but if I tent the keyboard the thumb cluster ends up in a different plane than the other keys, and this makes it uncomfortable for my to type. So I use the keyboard flat on my desk, which is fine for me.
As a side note, I ordered mine with the speed silver switches and I really like them. I work as a programmer, and typing in them feels really smooth and does not require me to put the same amount of force to press the keys as I had to put to press the MX brown or blues.
Great video. Great quality.
Hey man I have to ask. If you put your fingers on the WASD for gaming on the moonlander, is the thumb cluster still within reach?
They are very much in reach for me. 🙂
14:35 answers
I would recommend that you try and re-map WASD to ASDF.
Great video!
🙏❤️ thank you!
such an sparkling personality dood.
The apostrophe, quotation mark, equals and plus signs, and curly and square brackets are all essential to a coder, so where do you put them on this layout without making them harder to reach than they are on a standard keyboard? Since IDEs autocomplete closing brackets, that's four characters that are usually right next to your pinky that you will have to move farther away.
For about half the cost, I picked up a Mistel MD770 split mechanical keyboard. Absolutely love it.
I've heard that the thumb clusters can be pretty difficult to reach for some people. Which of these two do you think are the easiest to reach? And how big are your hands?
I personally find the 3 of the 6 keys very difficult to reach on the ergodox. I only use the two big ones and one small one.
compared to the Moonlander on which I use all three of the big ones, and the red one is a shortcut for taking screenshot for me :D
Depends on if you have a use case for all 6 of the keys on ergodox. If you can't think of anything then go for the Moonlander! (It will give you more versatility in terms of adjusting the thumb cluster too!)
How big are my hands... I would say medium sized hands. The spread is ~ 23cm/9inches (if that helps)
@@SohilPandya1 Thanks for the thoughtful and informative response! :)
I usually wear small to medium gloves. When I spread my fingers apart as much as I can, there's around 22cm from the end of my pinkie to the end of my thumb.
You have a good point about the need for more keys. I need to think about that...
No probs! Yeah have a think! But to be honest there are soo many ways to customise multiple layers. You might not need those 3 extra switches. 😅
@@SohilPandya1 Fair enough. This isn't a normal keyboard. You have layers and all these other functions. And if I need even more keys, I can probably just buy a small, wireless macro keypad and place it on the side (since I most likely have to move my hands anyways to reach the extra keys on the Ergodox)
Nice review of the Moonlander vs Ergodox keyboards! Two thumbs up! I like these advanced keyboards but many of these new keyboards use USB 3 will not work with KVM switches (emulation). I have one KVM which requires a USB 2 at one of our homes in the USA that can control up to eight computers using just one mouse and keyboard. Linux is my primary operating system (Archlinux and Gentoo). My hope is that one day some keyboard manufacture will design and create a keyboard like Erogodox or Moonlander with either builtin or outside accessories for KM or KVM switching up to (4 to 8) computers with one or many screens like I doing today. On another note I hope the UK ends the lock down soon, I retired almost two years ago from flying big airplanes at a major airline. (I was a captain who hit max age -- I spent sometime in London. Good people.) In Florida in the good old USA the state population NEVER did isolate. My wife and I are refusing to take the vaccine and wear these crazy masks! Be well UK !!...
zero BS review and no bias... very good review, thanks :)
One possible other thought on difference: The ErgoDox has two more keys on the thumb islands. (Of course, they're smaller and likely harder to hit as well.)
Thanks, great video
all the customization (custom keys , macros etc.) that you do is it saved on the keyboard (internally on its memory) or do I need to install the software on every computer to make it work over there and re-program it.
I think oryx and wally tools suggest that it lives on the keyboard :)
Yeah! It does :) You can connected it to multiple machines and the keyboard remembers your layout and shortcuts etc
@@SohilPandya1 they flash the Cortex M4 SOC which powers this keyboard that's why. This is quite an awesome keyboard but super expensive. open source so you can own it truly.
However I still feel there is room for design and build quality improvements hopefully the Moonlander Mark II
It is expensive, but I'm only planning to buy one of these for a very long time :D
I'm sure they'll keep on iterating on these designs! You can always go custom and do it yourself, but I'm no good at soldering... 😅
@@SohilPandya1 I am also looking at picking one up but will wait on the next iteration of moonlander and then take a call. I am also looking to use one for a really long time.
One thing that I believe was worth mentioning for the moonlander is that it is left side powered so it can be used standalone for gaming. While I certainly wouldn’t advocate either of these for gaming if you are going to game occasionally it is a nice perk.
Of I may ask, Why would you not advocate them for gaming?
Can I program my Command, Option and Control keys? Most third-party keyboards don't have those three for Mac on the right of the space bar, very annoying when using the Adobe Creative Suite.
you can customise to your liking really. switch them around, put them on a different layer. etc. :)
@@SohilPandya1 Thank you so much for your response... it's tough to find out if a keyboard can do this, as it is vital for me. I was using a Microsoft Natural Ergonomic 4000 for many years before Microsoft stopped updating the software for it... I had to go into the Terminal to enable the use of my Command/Option/Control keys to the right of the Space bar, but eventually that wasn't doable anymore, and it opened the Mac up to having lax security. I was working with two keyboards for a long time, an Apple keyboard for the keys I needed, and the neutered Microsoft board (Other keys were lost as well as those three mentioned above). I tried third-party software solutions which either caused other issues or didn't work. Months ago I finally found a keyboard that enables the two most important of the above mentioned keys, but not all three. Still a good keyboard (Logitech K860) that I like, but I want that functionality back and the ability to totally program all keys, and the even more economic benefits, well, I'm in! Will be ordering mine tonight after work! Thanks again for the response, it really helps a lot!
@@RandyRydberg check this out configure.zsa.io/ergodox-ez/layouts/default/latest/0
you should be able to play around with configuration to your liking on different layers. Let me know if you're able to play around with the above and set it up to your liking
Well done sir 👏
idk if youve done this but can you compare the moon lander, ergodox to the kinesis advantage 2 pleaassseee??
I'd love to but don't have the kinesis to hand :(
Thanks for the comparison they look amazing.
But if I'm going to spend this much on a keyboard I think I rather have a Dactyl manuform.
I'll probably (and hopefully) buy/make a crazy keyboard only once.
I have to say that might be a step too far for me. 😅 glad you enjoyed the video. ❤️
Looks like the 'thumb' keypad was cross threaded, or the screw or insert was damaged. What kind of tools did they include for the screws? IMO it should only be 'shaft' screwdriver type, no 90* Allen key, don't allow the user to put more than finger tightness torque on it. Not sure what plastics they used but looks pretty thin there.
Hi, Do you know how to flash the keyboard layout. I did install wally and download a firmware. It said press the reset button but after I press it, I got the beep sound but it didn't flash. Any advice?
That is strange, that usually would do the trick, you could try and reset the keyboard using keys only rather than the reset button. If you are on the default layout then you can go to layer 3 and press the top right button to reset the board.
Hope you are able to get through.
@@SohilPandya1 Thank you so much. It is working with reset key as you said.
Glad that worked for you.
Very deep and detailed review. Thank you for that, decided to buy moonlander😎
I'm not sure if this is mentioned before in the comments or not, but when you said in 06:20 that the screw is jamned and that the hinge broke when you tried to unscrew the screw, can it be that you just unscrewed in a wrong direction? In this other video review of the Moonlander there seems to be stickers in place to indicate that the screw threads are reversed: ruclips.net/video/ofv7t3mIVQY/видео.html
Congrats on the video! Good information #ergonomic #keyboards
Great vid
I ordered it today and shipped next day.
How about reaching the top thumb keys on the ergodox though? I don't see how those could be comfortable to use. Moonlander thumb cluster makes more sense to me which is why I ordered it.
It's not comfortable it's a stretch for me on the ergo. Moonlander is nicer and less of a stretch for my tiny hands :D
Why not compare the biggest difference, the thumb keys? Which one offers the more accessible thumb layout? Answer this and I'll subscribe, but that's literally the only reason I came to the video.
exactly this
RUclips's recommendation never disappoint me
What of the two gives better thumb cluster access? (for a smalish hand)
For me it’s the Moonlander.
The size preference is more about hand size and less about how often the keyboard gets moved.
So I've been using a Microsoft Sculpt keyboard for the past three years or so and I've been thinking of getting or building an ergodox, but the only mechanical keyboard I've used is kind of crappy and loud. I'm concerned that I won't be able to do work with it.
I just want something that's going to be comfortable, that I'll be able to use without waking the baby.
Am I delusional here? Is every keypress going to sound like an NES Zapper?
Broken pivot point in moonlander is deal breaker for me. But I also want to have cherry mx silent red with backlight which are probably only sold with moonlander. I'm still confused which one to buy.
Great video! Thank you!
Also, unrelated: You look like an Indian Jaime Lannister, especially with the posh British accent!
Quality video!
Thanks!
The thing I'm trying to decide is, what type of keyswitches to get. I don't know how to tell what would be best for me.
legend thanks mate
hey, ik I'm a year and a few months late in terms of commenting but yaa so my query goes like this, so currently I'm building my own split keyboard in Redox/rev1 style with cherry MX blues. However, I'm thinking of giving it my own touch and introduce the tiltable thumb cluster just like the moonlander (the current design is pretty similar to ErgoDox). Now I have 2 options either have to redesign/put in the effort to make a feasible design to make the thumb cluster tilt along with the 3 stands to give it even better adjustability or I can go the easy route to not change the design and just add the stands/legs making it very similar to Ergodox...
Moonlander seems better for me. But i dont live in london like you so will have to wait for my salary to increase :p
By the way, this was your first video i watched. I immediately subscribed seeing such a quality content. I did that after ages
Ergodox EZ isn't even my most expensive keyboard, by a long shot, but it's my favourite all around. Especially with some lubed Zealios switches.
I would like to see a demo with mouse usage while working with a flow chart application, or another heavily mouse dependent program. I want ditch the mouse for non gaming scenarios.
I want to know the case that you used to pack these please?
For me, that’s why the Redox keyboard is the better option. A better thumb cluster on the Redox makes all the difference. I think their mistake was trying to make the ergodox more ergonomic but that is difficult when the thumb cluster is not ideal to start with.
I can see what you mean, the thumb cluster is ever so slightly closer on the redox. is it enough to make it wayyy more ergonomic though?
@@SohilPandya1 Yes the hands lay more naturally and I have reasonably big hands. Also, the inside angled thumb key is very comfortable to use.