Amazing review, I've been waiting for this video, thanks! Well produced, on point, didn't feel it was too long and I liked that it was segmented. My moonlander should arrive in the next few days :) super hyped now
Great, thanks for the kind words. Let us know how you find it once you’ve used it a few weeks. Be interesting to know how your experience is as comparison. 👍🏻
@@benfrainuk Got the keyboard and boy it is a change, bit intimidating. Never had ortholinear and that alone takes a bit of getting used to. I really like that I can use it at an angle and that it is split. It also is so small/flat, love that, feel and finish are amazing. The configurator is honestly amazing to the point that it too is almost intimidatingly rich in functions and the flash tool works without hickups. I picked a layout that I liked from the user base and modified it (Qwerty, Halmak, Qwerty with WASD on ESDF for gaming, some mouse keys). It will take a few weeks until I have setup my configuration for work (code) and play (dota2, valorant). The former I am still getting used to the new places for parenthesis, brackets etc. Also, lots of hot key combinations for IDE and windows don't feel as natural due to the non staggered layout and years of getting used to weird finger cramping positions. Will probably remap a bunch, the nice thing is to be able to remap the keys freely instead of remapping in every program that one uses. Regarding gaming, the number keys being in a different place due to ortholinearity really trips my muscle memory up for microing units. I think it is and will be a great keyboard but it is a lot to take in especially when tackling a new layout at the same time/switching back and forth to qwerty. Looking forward to the time where I am so used to it that I can also take advantage of all the advanced features and dual function keys to their full extent. Hope this first day impression helps people :)
Absolutely great review. I just purchased mine last night and you really helps solidify some of the uncertainties that I had. I'm really looking forward to using this thing.
Thank you for a proper review with proper examples, proper talk, proper insight. I've watched a lot of them on this keyboard and this is the first I found informative and actually useful. I will get one, and this is the video that convinced me. Why I didn't like the other videos on this keyboard: - Too much focus on the unboxing and ASMRSMMRSMAMSMR or whatever that crap is called. (ASMR, I know, just being silly) - Just some HD sounds of someone clattering away. II get it, keycaps sound nice. I think so too. But really. - (Almost) No information such as how long the delivery was, how to actually set it up etc. - Actual flaws, how to mend them and honest reviewing of the product. I think this is because you buy this as a tool and see it as such, and those other kiddos just want the coolness gimmick and thus their "reviews" will be just as shallow. So thanks. Great review!
Thanks Pierre, really appreciate the kind words. Just starting with RUclips proper so comments like this compel me to do more 👍🏻 Let me know how you find the Moonlander once you’ve had chance to put it through its paces.
@@benfrainuk hope I could get a reply about this as I'm looking to purchase the shrinking tube you got to fix the rattle (I haven't gotten my moonlander yet, just anticipating this will be an issue for me as well). You said it was 1.2mm (the 1.6 being too big), is that the type that is 2.4mm and shrinks to 1.2mm (2:1) or is it 2.1mm that shrinks to "even smaller than that" mm. Can't seen to find any other than 2.4mm -> 1.2mm here in Sweden. Hope that makes sense. :) If it is 1.2 -> smaller, where did you get yours and is it available online with delivery to sweden? :) Thanks in advance!
great video. can see you making it big on the keyboard scene, your review is fantastic. singlehandedly convinced me to get the moonlander instead of the ergodox ez.
Wonderful and educational review. You have helped me decide which keyboard to purchase by showing all the features and more. I’ll be purchasing the Moonlander!! Thank you!! New sub!!
Thank you for your review. Went with the Erogox EZ with backlighting on every key and better/more stable tenting options. I don't have reach/stretch issues (trained as a classical pianist) so those outside switches are not an issue for me. Now the Erogodox EZ has updated some options, I'd like to hear your impressions on the comparisons now. Switch types, wrist support, backlighting, tenting - these are all comparable in my mind across both. The only big differences I can see are minor aesthetics, USB C and smaller size on the moonlander. Software is the same across both keyboards.
Hi JimboSRP, are you saying you can now get the Ergodox EZ with rgb on every key? The ZSA site still says it’s just on the letter keys?? It’s a great board but, for me, the thumb clusters are just too complex. It’s a personal thing. I’m building a Dactyl Manuform at the minute and going against default there and just opting for a 3 key cluster. My brain just can’t discern all the possibilities!
@@benfrainuk Yes, that's correct - the thumb pad keys and the outer side keys are not backlit on the ergodox, though it's my understanding that this is a step up from the older EZs, maybe wrong - not an issue for me. I spend most of my day in Emacs running latex, R, Python, C etc, so I have plans for the thumb pads - Whether they pan out or not I guess only time will tell. I haven't tried this yet, but I think the thumb pad keys may also be great in another layer for scene switching or other such things in OBS studio during online lectures. So many possibilities.
@@benfrainuk Yes, I am. Only real alternative was Ergodox EZ, but after watching this it was an easy decision (though I'm sure both would work just fine for me).
@@benfrainuk Wow, a small update from me (I'm the same person). I ordered the Moonlander on June 2 and it was on my door mat this morning! I live in Norway. Incredibly fast delivery. Will give my thoughts after some weeks of use.
Ooo, mounting points, I've been looking for something like that to attach to my chair's armrests. I also wish they'd have a bluetooth edition for that, so there's not a wire to yank out of the computer when you move your chair. I've nearly completed a DIY 3D printed, handwired ergodox with nice!nano controllers that I've put adjustable clip straps on for attaching to the chair, but I'm still tempted to purchase a professional version like this moonlander.
amazing review with just the right amount of dorky jokes! Very helpful. The only thing that I was missing is a comparison of what exactly tactile vs Cherry MX vs clicky get you - I am new to keyboard selection.
Just got a Moonlander last week and couldn't agree more with your review. I also use Sublime Text and haven't even started tweaking that yet. Please let me know any info about your class.
Hi Walt! Will do, when the Sublime course is ready I’ll likely get some kind of trailer for it published here. Plan to make it available on SkillShare and Udemy. 👍🏻 Probably like a month away. 🙏
Very good video, one of the best reviews for this keyboard! I would simply love to have a black moonlander with low profile swappable optical switches and low profile keycaps! Apart from making it a lot more beautiful, it would make it softer to type.
I've been using an ErgoDox EZ for a couple years and was trying to figure out if the upgrade would be worth it. Heading over to make the purchase now. :)
A LOT of GMK sets have started including "ergo" kits. I've some other profiles/manufacturers/designers going the same. Granted it typically is more for the ergodox EZ and doesn't have those 2 weird thumb keys but typically have everything else that should fit the moonlander.
Great review, I appreciate your developer perspective…really nice insight. I’m really tempted by the Moonlander, I have a question though: are you still using the mouse/touchpad? I’m wondering if by having a split keyboard you are now running out of space on desk…basically the mouse sits too far on your right? Or maybe a touchpad could be placed between the two halves? I’m so used to the Mac gestures and I don’t know if I could replace them with the keyboard. Thanks
Hi! I use a Logitech MX Master 3 on the right of my board. You could fit a trackpad between the halves but it depends how wide you want it. I’m fine with it like that but it’s a personal thing. I’ve found it better having it on the right. It keeps my shoulders back rather than hunching so much. 👍🏻
Part of me has been resisting leaving behind my laptop for productivity because the immediate access to the touchpad without moving the resting spot of my wrists is just SOOO dang helpful. If you just need to use the mouse very briefly, it's just ideal. It's also helpful that I still have one that has physical clicking buttons instead of the current trend of trackpads with no physical buttons. Ulitmate Hacking Keyboard coming out soon has thumb clusters that have mouse options, like trackpads and trackballs, and makes UHK REALLY tempting as well. But having another separate mouse is also helpful for extended mouse usage.
@@benfrainuk It would be if they still had physical buttons. I can't stand the design trend of just all trackpad. tapping and two finger tapping, and all that is just such an inferior user experience to physical buttons. It's slower, and more prone to error. I can't tell you how many times I have accidentally left clicked instead of right clicking because i didn't tap right. But I do thank you for the suggestion.
Than ErgoDox? For me, definitely. I would prefer one less though - find it hard to discern between the three in a row. Find myself not using the middle of the three.
I have some smaller hands and was wondering between them what I should get because I’ve heard the thumb clusters between them are very different and so are the tenting kits, I primarily need this for programming so comfort is big for me
I do have coiled ones I bought previously but I coiled the ones that came with it too. Got a previous video showing how I did it with the ErgoDox ones.
@@danjman32 You mean as in cables? If that's what you mean, any USB-C cable will do the job. There's a few custom places now. Got my last one from Cool Cable UK
Ah right; just coil that sucker. Few vids on here that show you how. I’ve done one too. Super easy and definitely tidier 👍🏻 you can also order any TRRS cable (standard 3.5mm jack either end)
@@benfrainuk do you need to stay logged in, for it to collect the data? or does it collect it without using the tool? or does it collect it, once you log into the tool?
@@AdamPoniatowski you kick it off in the browser and then just leave it while you do your normal stuff for a few hours. Then when you come back to it, it has produced a heat map.
@@benfrainuk ok cool. so it only collects the info, if you stay logged in via the browser. I hope that is covered in the EULA (meaning, they won't send data for research purposes to improve the product, bla bla telemetry bla) :)
Thank you for the video, about the problem you have with the keyboard not waking up your mac mini, it might be related to the fact that the keyboard is using usb c.
Can you programm the keyboard to light up only some keys' LED or to light them up with different colors separately. E.g. on a layer with numerical keybord to light up a rectangle where the numbers are or on the leyer with my function keys to light those up with different color then the rest of the keys.
Well I can’t make any guarantees but I’m writing this reply on the iOS qwerty software keyboard with no issues. Standard keyboard may be different. In your situation, I probably wouldn’t bother to be honest though. Can’t imagine the benefits will outward the frustrations.
does anyone know how to duplicate layers? I'd like to make small changes to one of my layers for mac usage but would have to remap all keys on a new layer :(
Sadly, Zsa's online tools only have the ability to start with someone else's (not even another of your own layouts) full keyboard design to start from, and you can swap 2 keys in your layout, but mysteriously, you can't even copy/paste a single key definition from one key to the next in your own keyboard layout, cannot duplicate your own layers, or those from any other user's keyboards. It's an amazing oversight in context of the keyboard's goals, to force users to look at all the great possible layer options, but be forced to take an entire set of layers or nothing at all. I'm going to make feature requests for this, because I see what look like spectacular application-specific layers from other users I'd love to copy and modify, but consider their general purpose or other layers unsuitable for me, and I can't stand the thought of spending all that time looking at another layer, and manually reproducing the same stuff on my own layouts (I have the Ergodox EZ Glow). It's truly maddening as a pro developer to see they have key swap even between layers, and copying of whole keyboard layouts with all layers, and yet...
Oryx is very limited, I had to write custom firmware just to implement alt-tab and alt-shift-tab keys that worked properly (continue to hold alt until you let go of the modifier key).
Yes, I wonder if ZSA will surprise us one day with a replacement thumb cluster that includes a wireless module. Or perhaps wireless will be on the Moonlander v2 🤔
Ee-ZED? No. I know Brits pronounce "z" as "zed," and that's fine, but in this case the "EZ" was meant to be pronounced "EE-ZEE" because then it's a homophone for "easy." As has been common for many, many years in US marketing. So even Brits should pronounce it as "Ergodox-EASY." Makes sense because prior to the EZ (easy) Ergodox, you had to build your Ergodox yourself.
thumb keys angled far too much. All the fingers should be 90° on the keys, like hammer and nail, for minimal fatigue. If main thumb key is angled too much and too far down, you will have to position hand slightly diagonal to the keyboard. Thus, no more arched fingers. Redox keyboard, my current keyboard. For me it seems most natural to place hand and fingers straight on the keyboard, but thumb keys do not allow that. Angled too much, and too far down. Have to curl thumbs, or position hand diagonal. In my opinion that looks incredibly stupid. It looks like, when i put hand straight on the keyboard, main thumb keys need to be almost a full 1U beyond the inner corner keys, beyond QWERTY B and N. 0.75U beyond seems good (a single letter key is 1U wide and deep). Length of key is something to think about. It's likely best for whole front part of thumb to touch the key, from thumb tip to joint.
I don’t find the position of the thumb clusters on the Moonlander but then I’ve not tried anything like the Redox which may be better. That said, I would be happy to have one less key on the Moonlander. I just never use the middle one of the three!
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Finally an actual review. Too many reviews are unboxings with little actual usage experience.
Amazing review, I've been waiting for this video, thanks! Well produced, on point, didn't feel it was too long and I liked that it was segmented.
My moonlander should arrive in the next few days :) super hyped now
Great, thanks for the kind words. Let us know how you find it once you’ve used it a few weeks. Be interesting to know how your experience is as comparison. 👍🏻
@@benfrainuk Got the keyboard and boy it is a change, bit intimidating. Never had ortholinear and that alone takes a bit of getting used to. I really like that I can use it at an angle and that it is split. It also is so small/flat, love that, feel and finish are amazing. The configurator is honestly amazing to the point that it too is almost intimidatingly rich in functions and the flash tool works without hickups.
I picked a layout that I liked from the user base and modified it (Qwerty, Halmak, Qwerty with WASD on ESDF for gaming, some mouse keys).
It will take a few weeks until I have setup my configuration for work (code) and play (dota2, valorant). The former I am still getting used to the new places for parenthesis, brackets etc. Also, lots of hot key combinations for IDE and windows don't feel as natural due to the non staggered layout and years of getting used to weird finger cramping positions. Will probably remap a bunch, the nice thing is to be able to remap the keys freely instead of remapping in every program that one uses. Regarding gaming, the number keys being in a different place due to ortholinearity really trips my muscle memory up for microing units.
I think it is and will be a great keyboard but it is a lot to take in especially when tackling a new layout at the same time/switching back and forth to qwerty. Looking forward to the time where I am so used to it that I can also take advantage of all the advanced features and dual function keys to their full extent.
Hope this first day impression helps people :)
Perfect. That very closely mirrors my experience. Just don’t be discouraged. It will take some time but does ‘click’ eventually. 👍🏻
Your review helped me decide on the moonlander over other split keyboards-many thanks!
That was a very thorough review, addressing a lot of questions I had. Thank you!
Great! Glad it was useful. Let me know if there is anything else 👍🏻
Absolutely great review. I just purchased mine last night and you really helps solidify some of the uncertainties that I had. I'm really looking forward to using this thing.
Excellent. Let me know how you get on once you’ve settled in with it 👍
Thank you for a proper review with proper examples, proper talk, proper insight. I've watched a lot of them on this keyboard and this is the first I found informative and actually useful. I will get one, and this is the video that convinced me.
Why I didn't like the other videos on this keyboard:
- Too much focus on the unboxing and ASMRSMMRSMAMSMR or whatever that crap is called. (ASMR, I know, just being silly)
- Just some HD sounds of someone clattering away. II get it, keycaps sound nice. I think so too. But really.
- (Almost) No information such as how long the delivery was, how to actually set it up etc.
- Actual flaws, how to mend them and honest reviewing of the product.
I think this is because you buy this as a tool and see it as such, and those other kiddos just want the coolness gimmick and thus their "reviews" will be just as shallow.
So thanks. Great review!
Thanks Pierre, really appreciate the kind words. Just starting with RUclips proper so comments like this compel me to do more 👍🏻 Let me know how you find the Moonlander once you’ve had chance to put it through its paces.
@@benfrainuk hope I could get a reply about this as I'm looking to purchase the shrinking tube you got to fix the rattle (I haven't gotten my moonlander yet, just anticipating this will be an issue for me as well).
You said it was 1.2mm (the 1.6 being too big), is that the type that is 2.4mm and shrinks to 1.2mm (2:1) or is it 2.1mm that shrinks to "even smaller than that" mm. Can't seen to find any other than 2.4mm -> 1.2mm here in Sweden. Hope that makes sense. :)
If it is 1.2 -> smaller, where did you get yours and is it available online with delivery to sweden? :)
Thanks in advance!
Pierre, send me a mail at contact at benfrain 👍
great video. can see you making it big on the keyboard scene, your review is fantastic. singlehandedly convinced me to get the moonlander instead of the ergodox ez.
Thanks so much for that. Appreciate it 👍🏻 Let me know how you get on with the Moonlander!
Glad to see this thorough review while I was deciding to buy a Moonlander. Thank you.
Wonderful and educational review. You have helped me decide which keyboard to purchase by showing all the features and more. I’ll be purchasing the Moonlander!! Thank you!! New sub!!
This is exactly what I was searching for. Great video. You got yourself a subscriber!
This is the best review of this keyboard! It was extremely useful and helpful. Thanks
Great work! Thanks for this!
I feel thoroughly informed, and it was a pleasure. Ty.
Thank you for your review. Went with the Erogox EZ with backlighting on every key and better/more stable tenting options. I don't have reach/stretch issues (trained as a classical pianist) so those outside switches are not an issue for me. Now the Erogodox EZ has updated some options, I'd like to hear your impressions on the comparisons now. Switch types, wrist support, backlighting, tenting - these are all comparable in my mind across both. The only big differences I can see are minor aesthetics, USB C and smaller size on the moonlander. Software is the same across both keyboards.
Hi JimboSRP, are you saying you can now get the Ergodox EZ with rgb on every key? The ZSA site still says it’s just on the letter keys??
It’s a great board but, for me, the thumb clusters are just too complex. It’s a personal thing. I’m building a Dactyl Manuform at the minute and going against default there and just opting for a 3 key cluster. My brain just can’t discern all the possibilities!
@@benfrainuk Yes, that's correct - the thumb pad keys and the outer side keys are not backlit on the ergodox, though it's my understanding that this is a step up from the older EZs, maybe wrong - not an issue for me. I spend most of my day in Emacs running latex, R, Python, C etc, so I have plans for the thumb pads - Whether they pan out or not I guess only time will tell. I haven't tried this yet, but I think the thumb pad keys may also be great in another layer for scene switching or other such things in OBS studio during online lectures. So many possibilities.
Amazing review! Lots of reviews out there, this one is definitely my favorite!
super thx .. i was on the fence
Great review Ben. Would've appreciated if you put timestamps for each section.
Hi! Good point. Think I can still add them. I’ll try and do that later 👍🏻.
Update: now added. Thanks.
Nice job. Thanks for the review.
Really glad to see the review by a programmer! Sometimes non-full keyboards without all the keys worry me but glad to see you like this one as it is.
Great review, really helped me to make an informed decision!
Fantastic. Ordering one?
@@benfrainuk Yes, I am. Only real alternative was Ergodox EZ, but after watching this it was an easy decision (though I'm sure both would work just fine for me).
Excellent, let me know how you find it when you’ve had chance to put it through its paces 👍🏻
@@benfrainuk Wow, a small update from me (I'm the same person). I ordered the Moonlander on June 2 and it was on my door mat this morning! I live in Norway. Incredibly fast delivery. Will give my thoughts after some weeks of use.
@@olavl6968 How is your Moonlander working for you?
Ooo, mounting points, I've been looking for something like that to attach to my chair's armrests. I also wish they'd have a bluetooth edition for that, so there's not a wire to yank out of the computer when you move your chair. I've nearly completed a DIY 3D printed, handwired ergodox with nice!nano controllers that I've put adjustable clip straps on for attaching to the chair, but I'm still tempted to purchase a professional version like this moonlander.
You’ve seen you can get the mounts now too, right?
amazing review with just the right amount of dorky jokes! Very helpful. The only thing that I was missing is a comparison of what exactly tactile vs Cherry MX vs clicky get you - I am new to keyboard selection.
Fantastic content. Informative and enjoyable :)
Just got a Moonlander last week and couldn't agree more with your review. I also use Sublime Text and haven't even started tweaking that yet. Please let me know any info about your class.
Hi Walt! Will do, when the Sublime course is ready I’ll likely get some kind of trailer for it published here. Plan to make it available on SkillShare and Udemy. 👍🏻 Probably like a month away. 🙏
Insane review, a massive thank you
🙏
Very good video, one of the best reviews for this keyboard! I would simply love to have a black moonlander with low profile swappable optical switches and low profile keycaps! Apart from making it a lot more beautiful, it would make it softer to type.
Can’t imagine that ZSA aren’t at least considering something low profile 👍
That's it, I'm getting myself one
Ha! Let me know how you find it if you do!
I've been using an ErgoDox EZ for a couple years and was trying to figure out if the upgrade would be worth it.
Heading over to make the purchase now. :)
Let me know how you find it when you’ve got to grips with it 👍
How was the switch?
Wondering if the Moonlander has a shorter thumb travel than the EZ?
A LOT of GMK sets have started including "ergo" kits. I've some other profiles/manufacturers/designers going the same. Granted it typically is more for the ergodox EZ and doesn't have those 2 weird thumb keys but typically have everything else that should fit the moonlander.
Yes, it’s the thumb clusters that are problematic. The piano keys are a different width than the Ergo ones too
Yeah the website says the Moonlander might not work with some KVM switches
Mine goes into the KVM built into my Dell monitor currently and don’t suffer any problems any more.
Great review, I appreciate your developer perspective…really nice insight. I’m really tempted by the Moonlander, I have a question though: are you still using the mouse/touchpad? I’m wondering if by having a split keyboard you are now running out of space on desk…basically the mouse sits too far on your right? Or maybe a touchpad could be placed between the two halves? I’m so used to the Mac gestures and I don’t know if I could replace them with the keyboard. Thanks
Hi! I use a Logitech MX Master 3 on the right of my board. You could fit a trackpad between the halves but it depends how wide you want it. I’m fine with it like that but it’s a personal thing.
I’ve found it better having it on the right. It keeps my shoulders back rather than hunching so much. 👍🏻
Part of me has been resisting leaving behind my laptop for productivity because the immediate access to the touchpad without moving the resting spot of my wrists is just SOOO dang helpful. If you just need to use the mouse very briefly, it's just ideal. It's also helpful that I still have one that has physical clicking buttons instead of the current trend of trackpads with no physical buttons. Ulitmate Hacking Keyboard coming out soon has thumb clusters that have mouse options, like trackpads and trackballs, and makes UHK REALLY tempting as well. But having another separate mouse is also helpful for extended mouse usage.
@@LeoStaley I know some people stock an Apple Magic Trackpad between the two halves. Might be an option for you?
@@benfrainuk It would be if they still had physical buttons. I can't stand the design trend of just all trackpad. tapping and two finger tapping, and all that is just such an inferior user experience to physical buttons. It's slower, and more prone to error. I can't tell you how many times I have accidentally left clicked instead of right clicking because i didn't tap right. But I do thank you for the suggestion.
@@LeoStaley I hear you, I have just never managed to get on with trackpads full stop. Best I’ve managed is spells with a mouse between two halves!
Ugh. I hope they've fixed that waking issue. I use a KVM as well.
Must have. I don’t get that issue anymore 👍
You never talked about the thumb keys, is the layout better?
Than ErgoDox? For me, definitely. I would prefer one less though - find it hard to discern between the three in a row. Find myself not using the middle of the three.
Love your video! Would you consider selling either of your Ergodox keyboards?
I have some smaller hands and was wondering between them what I should get because I’ve heard the thumb clusters between them are very different and so are the tenting kits, I primarily need this for programming so comfort is big for me
I removed the stabilizers on mine. dont feel like those keys need them and got rid of rattle :)
Yes, think somebody else mentioned that. I need to try it: could well be the best option!
ZSA needs to offer a spacebar key cap for these boards, it would reduce the learning curve and make them more accessible to people.
Are your keyboard customisations conserved across if you plug the same keyboard into a different machine?
Yes. They live with the keyboard, not the operating system 👍
Great video Ben! did you coil the connecting cord yourself or buy one?
I do have coiled ones I bought previously but I coiled the ones that came with it too. Got a previous video showing how I did it with the ErgoDox ones.
@@benfrainuk any recommendations for third party connectors?
@@danjman32 You mean as in cables? If that's what you mean, any USB-C cable will do the job. There's a few custom places now. Got my last one from Cool Cable UK
@@benfrainuk just meant the cables that connect the two pieces of the keyboard. the one provided is super long :)
Ah right; just coil that sucker. Few vids on here that show you how. I’ve done one too. Super easy and definitely tidier 👍🏻 you can also order any TRRS cable (standard 3.5mm jack either end)
Know what I did to solve the key stabilizer problem? Lubed the switch and removed the stabilizer. Super smooth. Quiet. Took a couple minutes.
Yes. On reflection I think that’s the best option.
I only got 1 question... it might be answered somewhere else... but wondering if it can be answered here... where is the keyboard heatmap stored?
Hi Adam, you need to log in to Oryx and it’s one of the tools in there 👍
@@benfrainuk do you need to stay logged in, for it to collect the data? or does it collect it without using the tool? or does it collect it, once you log into the tool?
@@AdamPoniatowski you kick it off in the browser and then just leave it while you do your normal stuff for a few hours. Then when you come back to it, it has produced a heat map.
@@benfrainuk ok cool. so it only collects the info, if you stay logged in via the browser. I hope that is covered in the EULA (meaning, they won't send data for research purposes to improve the product, bla bla telemetry bla) :)
@@AdamPoniatowski yes, take a look, they give you all the info (they don’t collect anything)
Your video so helpful for consider to buy a Moonlander kyeboard.
Thank you.
You’re welcome. Glad it was useful 👍🏻
Thank you for the video, about the problem you have with the keyboard not waking up your mac mini, it might be related to the fact that the keyboard is using usb c.
It actually got fixed in a macOS update. Wakes it up every time now!
Can you programm the keyboard to light up only some keys' LED or to light them up with different colors separately. E.g. on a layer with numerical keybord to light up a rectangle where the numbers are or on the leyer with my function keys to light those up with different color then the rest of the keys.
Yes, you can totally do that 👍
Why is your USB cable springy?
I coiled it. One of my first videos
Can I use applications for profiles, do I can have lighting ready to certain apps or games?
Do you mean, you launch a program and the keyboard knows to change to a different layer? If that’s what you mean, no. I don’t think that’s possible.
Is this going to completely ruin me on a normal keyboard? I still use my laptop on the go quite a bit, so that's my main hesitation
Well I can’t make any guarantees but I’m writing this reply on the iOS qwerty software keyboard with no issues. Standard keyboard may be different. In your situation, I probably wouldn’t bother to be honest though. Can’t imagine the benefits will outward the frustrations.
does anyone know how to duplicate layers? I'd like to make small changes to one of my layers for mac usage but would have to remap all keys on a new layer :(
Sadly, Zsa's online tools only have the ability to start with someone else's (not even another of your own layouts) full keyboard design to start from, and you can swap 2 keys in your layout, but mysteriously, you can't even copy/paste a single key definition from one key to the next in your own keyboard layout, cannot duplicate your own layers, or those from any other user's keyboards.
It's an amazing oversight in context of the keyboard's goals, to force users to look at all the great possible layer options, but be forced to take an entire set of layers or nothing at all.
I'm going to make feature requests for this, because I see what look like spectacular application-specific layers from other users I'd love to copy and modify, but consider their general purpose or other layers unsuitable for me, and I can't stand the thought of spending all that time looking at another layer, and manually reproducing the same stuff on my own layouts (I have the Ergodox EZ Glow). It's truly maddening as a pro developer to see they have key swap even between layers, and copying of whole keyboard layouts with all layers, and yet...
@@strictnonconformist7369 agreed
A premium ergo board, Colemak, Alfred, Sublime Text, CSS, camera nerd, and bald. I am the Canadian version of you.
LMAO!
my split keyboard only wakes the computer from the left side
Pleased to update and say Moonlander works perfect now on macOS (thanks to a system update) and Linux (Arch/Sway) for waking up.
Oryx is very limited, I had to write custom firmware just to implement alt-tab and alt-shift-tab keys that worked properly (continue to hold alt until you let go of the modifier key).
When you say ‘custom firmware’, do you mean QMK or TMK or something else?
The only thing stopping me from buying a moonlander is the price. It looks really great!
Don't lie - you love the fact that you could pretend you were piloting the USS Enterprise.
Some days, that’s ALL I do 😀
Now if they could make it Bluetooth…….
Yes, I wonder if ZSA will surprise us one day with a replacement thumb cluster that includes a wireless module. Or perhaps wireless will be on the Moonlander v2 🤔
EH ZED? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Queen’s English mate ;)
Ee-ZED? No. I know Brits pronounce "z" as "zed," and that's fine, but in this case the "EZ" was meant to be pronounced "EE-ZEE" because then it's a homophone for "easy." As has been common for many, many years in US marketing. So even Brits should pronounce it as "Ergodox-EASY."
Makes sense because prior to the EZ (easy) Ergodox, you had to build your Ergodox yourself.
Ha, thanks, that was totally lost on me 🤣 I’ll promise to try and remember that if I mention it again!
thumb keys angled far too much. All the fingers should be 90° on the keys, like hammer and nail, for minimal fatigue. If main thumb key is angled too much and too far down, you will have to position hand slightly diagonal to the keyboard. Thus, no more arched fingers.
Redox keyboard, my current keyboard. For me it seems most natural to place hand and fingers straight on the keyboard, but thumb keys do not allow that. Angled too much, and too far down. Have to curl thumbs, or position hand diagonal. In my opinion that looks incredibly stupid.
It looks like, when i put hand straight on the keyboard, main thumb keys need to be almost a full 1U beyond the inner corner keys, beyond QWERTY B and N. 0.75U beyond seems good (a single letter key is 1U wide and deep). Length of key is something to think about. It's likely best for whole front part of thumb to touch the key, from thumb tip to joint.
I don’t find the position of the thumb clusters on the Moonlander but then I’ve not tried anything like the Redox which may be better.
That said, I would be happy to have one less key on the Moonlander. I just never use the middle one of the three!
Wait. A 20-minute video review of a keyboard without showing the actual keyboard, really? 😅🙇♂️
Thanks, I’ll try and ensure more footage of the board for future reviews 👍
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