As someone who tests a lot of preproduction hardware at work, I thought that was a nice explanation of the DVT process. Also, having assembled an Input Club Ergodox in the past, your price points were not particularly surprising. I am excited to learn more about the expansion modules. I would love having a thumbstick on the left half. I might be able to retire my Azeron if that happened.
Though it is expensive, I wouldn't mind paying 300-500 dollars for a good keyboard that will save me of my wrist pain. I do expect amazing durability and a good guarantee though in case something goes wrong. If it can last 5+ years its money well spent in my eyes.
We have a 2 year warranty and our keyboards are very easy to repair if something goes wrong after that. We offer the spare parts to fix them. The first Raise keyboards from 2019 are still up and running 😉
That's really nice to hear. What I appreciate a lot about you guys, is that you're so engaged with the community, and genuinely want to help people out. It seals a good connection with the consumer founded on trust. Thanks! @@DygmaLab
I had carpal tunnel last year. Preventing further pain was worth every penny. You can strip away all the pretty lights amd wireless and the angle tenting will still be the most important reason to buy this.
Yeah I was a bit surprised by the price of the keyboards as well. I then did an experiment and looked into making my own as there's a lot of DIY options. After adding up all of the different components needed to make something similar (without any specific software mind you), the price came out comparable.... maybe save between $50 - $100 on the configurations I was looking into. So I got the Defy and have been loving it as I get more used to it. For your reference though, a competitor that got me looking into these kinds of keyboards in the first place was the Naya. It's specifically designed for content creators and has hot-swappable modules purposefully designed for it (like a track ball, touch pad, rotary dial, and 3D navigation thingy). The base price is $500 for just the keyboard, and the modules are either $80 or $160 each depending on what you pick. So if you wanted all 4 modules the total price is $1000ish, where as if you wanted 2 modules (one from each price bracket) then it's in the $700s. Their extra keys layout is interesting as it's 2 columns of 5 on the outside of each half, plus 3 smart buttons per thumb. Their tenting solution is also really interesting, but they were also trying to make the keyboard as portable friendly as possible so they can get away with it. naya.tech/products/naya-create
If I had the money, I'd purchase this in a heartbeat. In fact, I'd be a willing investor and sponsor of the technology and development. I only hope I can reach a point where I can justify this purchase in the near future...
Can you also use this keyboard without having to install any additional software? I want to use it for both my personal PC and my Work Laptop. And im not allowed to install any software on my work laptop.
Yes! You can configure it on one computer and use it on another one without having to install any software. Everything is stored on the keyboard. It will also work on tablets, phones...
Plastic rods on the feet is disappointing. I’ve had so many plastic feet break over the years. Why didn’t you guys just use all aluminum or metal? It’s hardly a cost increase.
It's not a matter of cost, but of tolerances. The plastic pieces make the tenting more stable at all angles, as we explain in this other video: ruclips.net/video/kYPymsWNutk/видео.html
Our keyboards can be disassembled with a switch puller and a screwdriver. We only use glue to secure the magnets for the palm pads. And a special double side tape for the battery so it doesn't move during assembly. Once assembled, it's kept in place by other components. Here's a video of the Defy disassembly ruclips.net/video/2Ip3J1z2G3A/видео.html
I think your build quality and the features (both hardware and software ) really warrant the high price. Not to mention the time went on in R&D. Really nice to see a company working on zero to one innovation rather than just throwing copies of old designs. Keep up the good job guys.
I wish there was a way to try before buy or otherwise demo a keyboard before committing to purchasing it. ...... especially for something like the Defi.
I just love to see you innovate and already look forward to buy my Defy 2 in some years with even more cool improvements than my already very useful Defy 🎉
@@frankenstein3163 I’ve had mine for three months now and as of now it’s the best keyboard I’ve ever had. But it also took a lot of time to adjust to the layout of the physical keys, as well as the new Colemak-DH key layout :)
I wonder why the halves use a RP2040 as "matrix scanner" and then another IC from nordic for the wireless communication. Why can't you just use a NRF52840 to do both (like most ZMK split keyboards do)?
Has there been any changes to the small thumb keys? On the Dygma Raise Gen I, the keys always felt very "mushy" and "uneven" when pressing them, especially at their edges. This was disappointing because they are such commonly used keys on the keyboard.
@@DygmaLab ah, looks just like just what I want in a keyboard. Just one note, in the Defy's "What's included", one of the items is " Crap remover". It should probably be "Cap" heh :D
The polycarbonate keycaps sound interesting I wonder if they would be available for the Defy? Especially for the Defy thumb keys which have been proving brittle? Would they be an improvement for those choc keys there? And is the Raise 2 using choc v1 switches on the low profile keys?
@@DygmaLab What do you mean by second batch ? When it will be available ? It is still mention High-end laser-etched ABS Cherry profile keycaps on the page on the Dygma Defy on the website. Thanks :)
I love my Raise 1 and all of the macros and layers I've set up. That said, I'd purchase a 10-key, or a 10-key + navigation section module that matches in the same underglow style, in a heartbeat. So, make it even more expensive!
I was today years old when I heard about the Dygma Raise, so I checked out the site. Sad I can only pre-order the new version. While I appreciate this explainer on the price for version 2 I did bump into the 500 dollar region with selections on the pre-order page. Anyhoo: also fearful about shipping and potential import custom charges so I'll just wait and see. Currently typing on a Microsoft Natural Keyboard Pro. Quarter of a century old by now and it's showing its age (I write for a living) I'm the market for something new. Nice that there's such a wide selection of split/ergonomic keyboards. Also not helpful at all :D
Split keyboards is not about budget devices. Those who switch to this type of keyboard don't expect a price below $300 (for a plastic case, wired version).
Thank you, Dygma Lab, for all your hard work. I'm a recent follower, now-preorderer, and I was wondering: Will the Raise 2 be able to use it's various means of connection to connect to multiple machines at the same time? Is that a silly question? Thank you :-)
Welcome to our community! Yes, you'll be able to connect to multiple machines at the same time with the Raise 2, and you will be able to change between them on the Bluetooth mode as the Defy, if you want check this video to see more about it 😊 ruclips.net/user/shortsCwGflB-Clx0?feature=shared
@DygmaLab the keyboard looks gorgeous but i think not being able to add aftermarket upgrades is a design flaw. At the very least I can't see a reason why tenting couldn't be. Or wireless. Rgb, fair enough. I see you have a campaign for beta testers. Good idea but I don't think at this stage you can fix a design flaw. I'm just one person, and again I think the keyboard is a winner bar said flaws. Good look with it, sadly price wise it's not for me unless I could buy in stages.
Please, don't use the word ‘Chinese‘s New Year’. Not China, all countries that use the lunar calendar. The reason why this is important is because it is treated as a segency because of that word.
As someone who tests a lot of preproduction hardware at work, I thought that was a nice explanation of the DVT process. Also, having assembled an Input Club Ergodox in the past, your price points were not particularly surprising. I am excited to learn more about the expansion modules. I would love having a thumbstick on the left half. I might be able to retire my Azeron if that happened.
Though it is expensive, I wouldn't mind paying 300-500 dollars for a good keyboard that will save me of my wrist pain. I do expect amazing durability and a good guarantee though in case something goes wrong. If it can last 5+ years its money well spent in my eyes.
We have a 2 year warranty and our keyboards are very easy to repair if something goes wrong after that. We offer the spare parts to fix them. The first Raise keyboards from 2019 are still up and running 😉
That's really nice to hear. What I appreciate a lot about you guys, is that you're so engaged with the community, and genuinely want to help people out. It seals a good connection with the consumer founded on trust. Thanks! @@DygmaLab
Thank you for being the best community 🫶
You can try a different key layout like colemak dh and a column instead of row staggered design. Less and straight finger movements.
I had carpal tunnel last year. Preventing further pain was worth every penny. You can strip away all the pretty lights amd wireless and the angle tenting will still be the most important reason to buy this.
We are happy our keyboard helped you ❤️ Thanks for sharing with us your story!
Yeah I was a bit surprised by the price of the keyboards as well. I then did an experiment and looked into making my own as there's a lot of DIY options. After adding up all of the different components needed to make something similar (without any specific software mind you), the price came out comparable.... maybe save between $50 - $100 on the configurations I was looking into. So I got the Defy and have been loving it as I get more used to it.
For your reference though, a competitor that got me looking into these kinds of keyboards in the first place was the Naya. It's specifically designed for content creators and has hot-swappable modules purposefully designed for it (like a track ball, touch pad, rotary dial, and 3D navigation thingy). The base price is $500 for just the keyboard, and the modules are either $80 or $160 each depending on what you pick. So if you wanted all 4 modules the total price is $1000ish, where as if you wanted 2 modules (one from each price bracket) then it's in the $700s. Their extra keys layout is interesting as it's 2 columns of 5 on the outside of each half, plus 3 smart buttons per thumb. Their tenting solution is also really interesting, but they were also trying to make the keyboard as portable friendly as possible so they can get away with it.
naya.tech/products/naya-create
The Dygma keyboards are actually priced similarly to other next-gen keyboard. Happy to hear you are loving the Defy! Thanks for sharing!
If I had the money, I'd purchase this in a heartbeat.
In fact, I'd be a willing investor and sponsor of the technology and development.
I only hope I can reach a point where I can justify this purchase in the near future...
We're not going anywhere, so when you're ready, we'll be ready 😊
Can you also use this keyboard without having to install any additional software? I want to use it for both my personal PC and my Work Laptop. And im not allowed to install any software on my work laptop.
Yes! You can configure it on one computer and use it on another one without having to install any software. Everything is stored on the keyboard. It will also work on tablets, phones...
@@DygmaLab thank you for the quick answer! I guess ill save up for the raise 2 :)
i hope someday i can afford this keyboard
Hi!
We'd like to make our models more affordable, and we're working in that direction. Let's hope it does not take very long 💪
@@DygmaLab Do you think the retail prices will be lower? I hope so because I want to buy it in the summer at a price close to the VIP rate.
Plastic rods on the feet is disappointing. I’ve had so many plastic feet break over the years. Why didn’t you guys just use all aluminum or metal? It’s hardly a cost increase.
It's not a matter of cost, but of tolerances. The plastic pieces make the tenting more stable at all angles, as we explain in this other video: ruclips.net/video/kYPymsWNutk/видео.html
Yeah but I also remember you guys glue some of the pieces of this keyboard lol. Thats a hard pass on something thats $700.
Our keyboards can be disassembled with a switch puller and a screwdriver. We only use glue to secure the magnets for the palm pads. And a special double side tape for the battery so it doesn't move during assembly. Once assembled, it's kept in place by other components.
Here's a video of the Defy disassembly
ruclips.net/video/2Ip3J1z2G3A/видео.html
I think your build quality and the features (both hardware and software ) really warrant the high price. Not to mention the time went on in R&D.
Really nice to see a company working on zero to one innovation rather than just throwing copies of old designs. Keep up the good job guys.
Thanks so much! Yup, it's tough being a startup/SME. But we're giving everything we got to succeed and grow. Appreciate the support!
I wish there was a way to try before buy or otherwise demo a keyboard before committing to purchasing it. ...... especially for something like the Defi.
We have 30-day return policy 😊
You can try it and return it if it's not what you were looking for.
Will there be a PBT Keycap set (Dash) for the Defy too?
Not for now, but if we see that people are asking for it, we might consider it 😊
Can’t wait to get my Dygma keyboard. It looks to be worth the money.
I appreciate the explanation on what goes into the board!
We also really cannot wait for it to be out in the market and for you to get it as well!
Thank you for your words! Let us know your experience when you receive the Defy 😍
I just love to see you innovate and already look forward to buy my Defy 2 in some years with even more cool improvements than my already very useful Defy 🎉
How long have you had you'rs ?
Thanks for your support! We'll try our best when making the Defy 2 😜
@@frankenstein3163 I’ve had mine for three months now and as of now it’s the best keyboard I’ve ever had. But it also took a lot of time to adjust to the layout of the physical keys, as well as the new Colemak-DH key layout :)
I wonder why the halves use a RP2040 as "matrix scanner" and then another IC from nordic for the wireless communication. Why can't you just use a NRF52840 to do both (like most ZMK split keyboards do)?
It is because of the cost and the pinout
Still cheaper than wrist surgery in the US.
You said it, not us 😜
Has there been any changes to the small thumb keys? On the Dygma Raise Gen I, the keys always felt very "mushy" and "uneven" when pressing them, especially at their edges. This was disappointing because they are such commonly used keys on the keyboard.
We talk about it in 5:00 😜
If this was a columnar keyboard I might have considered it. Typewriter, but now split, is not enough for the people burying super expensive keyboards
In that case you might want to check our other keyboard, the Dygma Defy, which is columnar ;-)
@@DygmaLab ah, looks just like just what I want in a keyboard. Just one note, in the Defy's "What's included", one of the items is " Crap remover". It should probably be "Cap" heh :D
@@DygmaLab you ship from Europe? That's awesome. I think the Defy will be my next keyboard, when I've saved up some cash :D
Nope, it is crap hahaha So you can keep your keyboard clean
The polycarbonate keycaps sound interesting
I wonder if they would be available for the Defy? Especially for the Defy thumb keys which have been proving brittle? Would they be an improvement for those choc keys there?
And is the Raise 2 using choc v1 switches on the low profile keys?
The keycaps for the second batch of Dygma Defy are also polycarbonate 😊
@@DygmaLab What do you mean by second batch ? When it will be available ? It is still mention High-end laser-etched ABS Cherry profile keycaps on the page on the Dygma Defy on the website. Thanks :)
I love my Raise 1 and all of the macros and layers I've set up. That said, I'd purchase a 10-key, or a 10-key + navigation section module that matches in the same underglow style, in a heartbeat. So, make it even more expensive!
Let's see what modules our product team has to offer! 😎
I was today years old when I heard about the Dygma Raise, so I checked out the site. Sad I can only pre-order the new version. While I appreciate this explainer on the price for version 2 I did bump into the 500 dollar region with selections on the pre-order page. Anyhoo: also fearful about shipping and potential import custom charges so I'll just wait and see. Currently typing on a Microsoft Natural Keyboard Pro. Quarter of a century old by now and it's showing its age (I write for a living) I'm the market for something new. Nice that there's such a wide selection of split/ergonomic keyboards. Also not helpful at all :D
We cover the shipment costs so don't worry about that. You can also check our Dygma Defy on our web, it is also a split keyboard 😊
Not insane when dealing with Thoracic Outlet Syndrom. Some things are worth investing in to be pain free.
We believe so too!
SO awesome! Is there any way to beg/pay to be a tester with one of those initial 50 units? :D
Those would be DVT so they are only for testing but... we'll keep that in mind 😜
The price is fair. If you think it's expensive, you probably haven't used split keyboards yet.
Thank you for your understanding 🫶
This needs Hall Effect Switches...
It's something we want to explore in the future 😊
The price is high because they invest so much in the product, but nobody will buy it.
By nobody you mean more than 1,500 just during the preorder days? 😏
Split keyboards is not about budget devices. Those who switch to this type of keyboard don't expect a price below $300 (for a plastic case, wired version).
Love it.
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i'm stunned at the level of R&D. everyone should be talking about these keyboards.
Good work guys! Keep pushing forward :)
Thank you! Will do!
Thank you, Dygma Lab, for all your hard work. I'm a recent follower, now-preorderer, and I was wondering:
Will the Raise 2 be able to use it's various means of connection to connect to multiple machines at the same time? Is that a silly question?
Thank you :-)
Welcome to our community! Yes, you'll be able to connect to multiple machines at the same time with the Raise 2, and you will be able to change between them on the Bluetooth mode as the Defy, if you want check this video to see more about it 😊 ruclips.net/user/shortsCwGflB-Clx0?feature=shared
Can u help me what keycaps do i need for this keyboard NEWMEN GM326 Wired Gaming Keyboard,75% Percent TKL Hot
I recommend you any cherry profile keycaps, but that depends on what you are looking for, as the keycaps have to match your preferences 😊
Hi. If I got a barebones Raise 2, can I install the WiFi, tenting and rgb aftermarket? Thanks.
Extras like Wireless, tenting or underglow can't be added later. The base and the components are different
@DygmaLab the keyboard looks gorgeous but i think not being able to add aftermarket upgrades is a design flaw. At the very least I can't see a reason why tenting couldn't be. Or wireless. Rgb, fair enough. I see you have a campaign for beta testers. Good idea but I don't think at this stage you can fix a design flaw. I'm just one person, and again I think the keyboard is a winner bar said flaws. Good look with it, sadly price wise it's not for me unless I could buy in stages.
Please, don't use the word ‘Chinese‘s New Year’.
Not China, all countries that use the lunar calendar.
The reason why this is important is because it is treated as a segency because of that word.
Oh sorry! We didn't know that! We won't say it next time 😊 Thanks for your note!
I cant wait to buy my dream keyboard!! ❤
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