HALLOWEEN II - The Film That Defined a Franchise
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- How John Carpenter, Debra Hill, and Rick Rosenthal's HALLOWEEN II in 1981 shaped the HALLOWEEN franchise through its slasher violence and revelations regarding Michael Myers and Laurie Strode.
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This is my second video on the Halloween franchise. Watch my analysis of the original Halloween and its creation of the modern day bogeyman here: ruclips.net/video/0FwvCQjAncQ/видео.html
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Matt Draper hopefully you didn’t subject yourself to having to watch all the “ knockoff” films you listed here, Matthew. That would a horror beyond belief. Loved your enthusiasm in this video.
Thanks!
Thanks! I've seen a lot of slashers over the years haha But it helped with the research for this video.
Christian Schön Hellraiser/Barker in general will definitely make an interesting topic
The fact that Carpenter half-assed this movie and its arguably the best sequel shows what a true genius he is.
I'm clearly in a minority in this comment section. H2 is the 3rd best sequel after H4 and 2018. Being 4th overall is *NOT* a bad spot for this film
●taking off the nostalgia lens and trivial pros of the style being *VISUALLY* similar to the original....hear me out...
●H4 has a great character duo...Rachel is not completely selfless or selfish..acting like a typical teen..and jamie is obviously troubled by her family past. They actually get to interact with Dr. Loomis more than any other character, Laurie included..beyond needing a simple rescue at the end.
●Thematically...it does Michael justice by making him a monstrous presence that actually inflicts terror on the whole town...not just the TV news/hospital...he actually cripples and terrorizes haddonfield in his time in H4 and he isnt constrained to a single location...much like the original.
●the fall atmosphere is done better here than H2 despite h2 being the same night...how does the town lose halloween imagery? overnight no less...
● you say you love the H2 ending....but you cant ignore the curveball ending of H4, which ends the same way the original one began...which is iconic to horror in general...bc it actually had nerve to try something different...much like the 1978 original.
●2018 does a lot of what I say ^^^^ so I'm not gonna repeat myself.
*I will 100% agree that H5 onwards really fails* ...and it's easy to see why and I wont argue....but H4 is criminally lumped into the general trilogy despite it working as a standalone.
H2 is a guilty pleasure of mine...but seriously..so many people see this as the top of all horror sequels despite it not reaching great heights....not that it does a lot of bad.
I mean nothing happens(that actually matters) apart from the first 15 minutes and last 20...bc Laurie is underutilized and Loomis is halted by plot forces...so we get a very cookie cutter sequel...which brought an element of family that defined a franchise.
😂😂 he still talks shit about it and said they screwed up by not having nick come back
@@javieremoya what about Season of the Witch? Its a solid movie for sure..and Carpenter had a very heavy hand in that.
The true artist will always hate his work
@The Big Red Machine Kane agreed. I had hopes because there was a bunch of hype but, I hated it to be honest. Very disappointing.
I will never understand the hate this movie gets.. it’s legit one of the best horror sequels of all time.. and easily the best sequel in the franchise
It’s really only hated by the people who made it (and some stuffy critics), oddly enough.
I agree
Im not sure way either. The movie had great pacing and I loved the hospital setting. Its fine sequel
maybe because they killed myers in the end thus forcing part 4 to ignore H2 ending.
I really hated it as a kid but its grown on me massively over the years.
Halloween 2 is golden in my eyes. I love its chaos and cynicism. I even love the death of Michael Myers being shown.
He doesn’t die. He passes out due to being November 1st. H5 kinda confirms my theory.
H5 is fucking trash! But yes H2 is GOLD
Yeah Halloween 2 is far from perfect, but I HONESTLY enjoy it MORE than part 1. It's iconic in it's own ways. The score is some of the best music in all of the series. The Hospital chase scene is eerie and iconic. And most of us love finale of the movie, where Loomis appears to sacrifice himself to end Michael's existence.
@@blackraphael3594 I completely agree with your opinion!!! But I'm curious to know what you think would make it a better movie than it is?
@mr . noname I'm not sure I'd want to touch it, lol. Like I was saying earlier, it's so iconic as is. When Lucas released the updated Return of the Jedi with fancy new CGI, characters, and scenes, people were like: What is this crap, and where is my Return of the Jedi?? You could maybe loose some goofy tropes here & there. And although I understand the reason for the " Samhain " school scene, it needed to be done differently...As at that point, it really felt rushed & tacked on. Maybe in the earlier scene at the old Myers house, Loomis finds a room that has several dead animal carcasses and a blood smeared Celtic rune on the wall (I imagine it shot like a scene from the movie "Seven").
I'm one of the very few people that was ok with Michael being related to Laurie Strode, and the whole " hunting his bloodline relentlessly every Halloween " device. As a stand alone or anthology work, Michael having no motivation and just being "pure evil" works. But for a franchise with sequels, you need to give the character more depth. The Halloween novel that they hired Curtis Richards to write after the first film became a hit, gives all of the backstory needed. Essentially, near the inception of the Celtic race in an obscure Irish kingdom, a tormented Celtic demon/ A boy's cursed soul haunts Michael's ancestors after being brutally murdered himself on the night of the festival of Halloween. Fast forward to Michael's timeline, where we find that not only has Michael's relatives ( specifically his great grandfather ) had bizarre instances of either mental illness or mania, causing them to commit violent acts, but Michael himself appears to begin to show signs of not being fully in control of himself, especially when wearing masks. So, basically Michael's body is essentially a husk or shell being driven around by a cursed Celtic boy's soul, or demon, during the festival of Halloween period. He sits dormant until he's gathered enough energy to strike. But there is still a glimmer of Michael Myers inside there. There is a constant internal struggle going on between Michael & the demon (whom is immensely stronger than Michael)...Which from a writer's perspective could explain why at times, Michael bumps into people/ walks past children & babies, and does NOT kill them. If he was just pure evil - cut and dry, no one would escape his wrath. I believe that when Michael Myers commits a murder, all he sees through his tearful conflicted eyes is a hazy, red blur of blood filled rage that he cannot control.
The most iconic image from this film is Michael crying blood after being shot.
OMG. I miss the Mexican Pizza from Taco Bell. It was so tragic when it was discontinued.
Yeah it was a poignant scene. It made a person have empathy on him. He wasn't particularly likable but he was one of those characters nobody wanted to see murdered. It was a strange adaptation. Not terrible. Just different I guess.
Get a brain, he was shot in this eyes
Get a brain, Jamie Lee Curtis shot him in his eye sockets
@@j.d.contreras392 what?
Halloween II was a stellar sequel. The fact it continues mere minutes after the first in the hospital was genius. Every time you see a movie ending after a major conflict, when the main characters are whisked away in the ambulance, it always gives the notion of safety, comfort, calm. The hospital is supposed to be a safe space so the idea that the killer would chase Laurie down to the hospital as she is trying to recover was a good move.
Well said.
Excellent point.
Halloween 2 sucks in my opinion.
Halloween II is my all time favorite sequel. The fact that it starts immediately after the first. The soundtrack and cinematography is so eerie, it all ties in with this sinister feel. I love the POV shots, and after being shot 6 times and stabbed up by Laurie, Michael is now PISSED and not f*cking around... I understand why the writers / producers feel the way they feel about the film but from a viewer standpoint, it’s a perfect way to carry out the night he came home. I LOVE the ending, Loomis sacrificing himself for the greater good of Haddonfield and going out with his patient. To top it all off, the scene where Michael is walking out the flame and just drops and burns to chars. Standing ovation.
The reason people love H2 is because it’s filmed and LOOKS and SOUNDS exactly like the first.
Bear 7453 and there’s nothing wrong with that.
@@SmokinKlocks its a guilty pleasure of my own. However, when you look at its flaws, it's held back so much I'm not sure how it's considered the best sequel ever. The characters don't get to do much of anything precisely because it takes place on the same night. There's almost no dialogue apart from Loomis providing exposition, and the relatable/eerie feeling the original had is lessened because no hospital is that empty in real life and is forcibly scary(albeit done very well) Then the reveal of Laurie and Michael being related chained the entire franchise until 2018. From a viewer standpoint, your points on it feeling the same and its ending are cool, but other sequels do most of the good points here but better. I would put it as the 2nd or 3rd best sequel for the franchise.
Dick Hertz you’re damn right there isn’t anything wrong with that
Javier Moya I’ll take H2 for what it is. The characters, masks and “Myers house” don’t do it for me in the following films.
I enjoy the H1-H2 timeline, H20 occasionally. I’m excited where H2020 will take this new Halloween timeline.
Michael slowly walking down the quiet hallways of the hospital on the security monitors to the slow music is peak horror movie atmosphere
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“Scream. Not that Scream” that cracked me up for some reason
"What's your favorite scary movie?"
I thought a moment there was an early 80s slasher titled "Not That Scream." Then I remembered Drew and Co.
It's an awful movie too. Boring and you can't see 70% of the film due to blackness.
@@mcurran6505 "Scream, but not that Scream, the other Scream"
I fucking lost it.
If you watch the original Halloween and don’t automatically put on 2 right after then there’s something wrong with you
Not really
agree
Exactly
Not if I'm going to bed or I've got somewhere to be.
@@BananaDucshortz No, there's still something wrong with you
I love Halloween 2, I mean Halloween introduced me to franchise but Halloween 2 made me love it. I loved the hospital setting and kills and felt a continuation on the same night
Mallory Lauve can’t wait to see what they do with the new one. Hopefully they keep that same tense atmosphere 🤙🏼
The Scenary in itself was pure Horror. The dark Hospital corridor's and everything, And not knowing who is going to come out of nowhere. Micheal was brilliant at sneaking up on people very, very well. The way the lighting is on hi's mask appears as he's just getting ready to kill Janet. They did it on the first one, And it was brilliant. John Carpenter is a human genius of Cinema.
@@matthewcimino8394 They will almost have to. That's where Rob Zombie's Version lacks intensity.
@@matthewcimino8394 they are going to continue halloween kills from where it left off like H2.
@@jeremiahc620 there's a new one? The last one was awful and l had such high hopes that it would recapture the brilliance of the original.
I still think Halloween 2 is the best sequel. Even better than the 2018 Halloween. It had a definitive ending imo. Michael being shot in both eyes then blown up with Loomis. I enjoy the film
Truth.
@MrTruboy I still cant belive halloween 2018 ignored it??? Halloween 2 has always been cannon with the other sequels...except the stand alone Halloween 3 of course
No
@MrTruboy 18’ is better
@@donnn-ow4rj well it did ruin the mentality of Michael and pretty much completely disfigured him which was retcon in the sequels some how
This horror franchise has more
timelines than Terminator.
No that's saying something!
Yeah they f up h6 in particular makes no sense
@@HxhjliNo
@@Hxhjli Watch H6's Producer's Cut and it will make sense. The T-Cut was such a stupid decision made by the Weinsteins because they thought that Halloween fans were like F13 fans, who just want over the top gore to be happy instead of likeable characters and a plot that makes sense.
3:19 Ben Tramer probably got the mask at the same store that Michael Myers did. The question is why he decided to also pair it with a boilersuit.
Matthew Hoobin It’s a common complaint I never understood. Cause I’m the first film they don’t talk about it being special so I’m universe could just be a regular mask.
But I agree with the boiler suit but that is confusing why he was wearing one
because the script said too,,, or maybe that was the real michael.,,,, maybe the shape is ben fucking tramer
What's a cop doing over 50 mph in a resedential neighborhood on Halloween night knowing damn well the streets are filled with kids? Hope Ben's folks hired a lawyer and sued the department. Imagine that lawsuit! 😃
@@magicvoice31 true
magicvoice31 I see so many people who watch that scene and they initially thought the cop did on purpose because he thought he was Myers, but are sho led when the cop said “he didn’t see him”.
The whole concept of that cult of Thorn and Michael being under some druid curse is also a legacy of Halloween 2. The random scene in the school where he wrote Samhain on the chalkboard. It all started there.
Yeah, that scene implied there were other forces at work.
H2 is the most rewatchable film of the Halloween series, for me it is the best and I enjoyed it more than the first one.
I can't speak for other Halloween savants.....But, for me.....Halloween 2 was absolutely pulse poundingly terrifying!!! Of course, it was the first one I saw, at the ripe old age of 7...!!! I saw the original immediately afterwards...
It's always been awesome to me! Dick Warlock absolutely KILLED it as the "Shape"....!!!
YOU SPOT ON WIT THIS, I SAW THE 2ND ONE FIRST THEN THE ORIGINAL, AND I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT PART 2, IT'S LIKE MYERS WAS ANGRY, HIS MUSIC WAS HARDER, IT WAS AWESOME
When I was 8 in 1981 my Mom took me to a Drive-in movie to see the Muppet Movie.Now Drive-in's always showed double features.So after rockin out with the Muppets, the next movie up was Halloween II..Holy Sh*t!.It literally changed my little kid life..And to make it worse the 1st Halloween was shown on TV latter that year and the second it was over the power went out in the neighborhood..I'm in therapy to this day..Happy Halloween folks!
Me too man! I was 7! Had to check every single corner in my room & sleep with the hallway light on, with my door slightly ajar....It was a total ritual that I engaged in until puberty! All just because I saw Halloween 2 @ the age of 7...!!!
They played The Muppet Movie and Halloween II back to back?!?! What the....?!?!
It's crazy that this made me realize that Jamie Lee Curtis starred in Prom Night, The Fog, and Terror Train all before the Halloween sequel.
that's why she was called the scream queen
@@MikeG82 IS
Underrated sequel. I like how it provides a dark neon-lit counterpart to the original's stark daylight suburbia. Great stuff as always, Matt. You've really outdone yourself this Halloween season, I wish you could make horror videos all year round.
Thanks, man! I’m really glad you’ve enjoyed it. I have a lot more topics that I couldn’t fit into this month, so I’m going to keep making horror videos outside of Halloween. Maybe a couple months break and I’ll be back at it.
That's a great way to describe it. Well said.
Panels to Pixels “Dark neon-lit counterpart to the original’s stark daylight suburbia.” I love that.
I wouldn’t call it underrated. It is one of the most overpraised slasher films out there that overshadows better slashers
I think that Halloween 2 was just as good as the original
I saw Halloween II in theaters during its initial release back in 1981, and had not heard that many screams since Jaws in 1975. I can still hear those screams every time I see the sequence near the end when Laurie starts limping towards the entrance of the hospital as Myers turns the corner and starts walking towards her . Its one of the great cinematic horror moments and resonates to this day.
I love how you can watch Halloween I and II back to back, it’s so seamless.
Truly the perfect double feature,the general aesthetic remains the same and the tone gets slightly darker
@@mariovazquez4436 do you think that Halloween H20 works well as a fine Epilogue?
*"Halloween,"* or the Michael Myers story, should've ended with this one. If I read correctly, the franchise would've carried the same name but with different horror stories set around and during Halloween. *"Season Of The Witch,"* the third *Halloween* film minus Myers, was supposed to be the start of that. But the studio and fans wanted more Michael Myers and so the inferior sequels were churned out. Luckily nowadays, the third film has become something of a cult classic.
Money talks! Hard for producers to say enough is enough when you make millions.
@@MattDraper What does that say about the audiences however? The masses and audiences are the ones who pay for the slop and refuse.
Dr Donald Blake
I agree with what was said at 9:55
I agree with you on wanting the Halloween series being an anthology but I think the Michael Myers story should’ve ended at 1. It doesn’t make sense to have the Michael Myers part be a 2 parter then randomly start a 1 off anthology series.
Carpenter has said he never wanted to do any sequels. The studio forced him to, so he wrote it and one night not having a clue how to continue the story, he said he got a six pack, drank them all and at like 2 am he wrote the fact they were siblings. He also directed a lot of the movie, but he let his good friend, Rosenthal take directing credit (he did direct some of it).
If you pay attention to the end of 78, it shows you his body gone, then they show all the different locations in the movie with his breathing. He said the ending is basically you can't kill the boogeyman(yes Myers is the actual boogeyman, carpenter said he is a human, but he has a supernatural edge) and he could be anywhere, or nowhere. It was supposed to be much scarier that this guy picked a random person to fuck with, so having them be siblings killed a lot of that.
I think 3 sucks and that 4 is the best, 5 sucks overall but the last bit and ending kept some potential. I miss Jamie’s character
I love Halloween 2. In fact, back in the VHS era, I made my own edit (from VCR to VCR) turning the first two movies into one movie. To me, one is not complete without the other.
I never got in the first one why Laurie was so shocked Tommy was seeing things when she saw a guy in a creepy mask stalking her literally that whole day.
She didn’t believe in the boogeyman
@@Njbear7453 but still there was a man creeping around town all day. Maybe could've made a slight connection
I agree!!me either
ChrisRedmanMVP it was honestly so stupid.
@@lilovs9952 I love the movie but she should've had the cops involved ages ago
The 80s were a really good decade for slasher films and I love mostly all of them
Even The Mutilator?
80s was the golden age of horror
It’s interesting how most of these iconic horror movies were originally intended to be one shoots. I believe you told me that was the case with Texas and Friday. The directors were reeled back in due to the first movies success. It makes me wonder how it would’ve effected the slasher genre throughout history of we didn’t get sequel after sequel.
Yeah TCM was definitely supposed to be a one-off and F13 was a cash grab with no sequel plans at all. But money changes everything! I think if there weren't so many sequels, the genre wouldn't have burned out so fast. But the burnout also led to the evolution of horror as the decade went on.
Elm Street is the most noted of this, as Craven made it clear he didn’t want any follow-ups, but Robert Shaye wanted a franchise so bad he forced Craven to change the ending for a sequel. Honestly torn between what would have been the best move, because Freddy put New Line Cinema on the map ( it IS lovingly referred to as The House That Freddy Built), but the 1st film falls JUSTTHISSHORT of a masterpiece because of that tacked on oddball ending.
Mr Sack
Yeah Nightmare 1’s ending does bring it down a bit. It wasn’t even necessary either. They could’ve gone with Craven’s original ending and still find a way to make a sequel.
Matt Draper
I always saw TCM differently. Each sequel felt like it’s own universe, not beholden to anything from a previous movie.
Until the remake/reboot, the sequels each were standalone.
@@MattDraper catch TCM on TCM (turner classic movies).... Or on TMC...the movie chanel
Laurie: “It was THE BOOGEYMAN!”
Loomis: “As a matter of fact.. it was!”
"Was that the boogeyman?!" It was muffled because JLC said the word kinda got caught in her breath, and she basically fumbled it. The script reads Was also.
OMG finally! Someone out there finally is giving the ever so underrated "Halloween 2" the credit that it's due. No one ever talks about it or seems to remember, due to all the countless sequels. This has always been my all time FAVORITE Michael Myers film! Even if some may not necessarily share my same feelings on the film, I'm just happy to see someone talking about it. I'm so excited! 💖😁
Could not agree MORE! Scared the shit out of me as a kid!
Idk. Whole comment section seems to be with you
@@kayvee5286 I see! Still very surprised! 🙃
Halloween 2 was really good, the remake is fine and semi decent but this one is better ngl
I liked how the “sibling relationship” was tweaked a bit for the 1st Zombie flick. How it was about him going back to his baby sister, the only person that he actually loved. That desire to reconnect leading him on a bloody warpath to someone who had no idea who he was. Instead of a 100% rehash.
I know I'm weird for this, but Halloween 2 is my favorite Halloween. Spooked me more than any other part of the Halloween franchise.
Maybe I'm still watching Halloween 2 with the same eyes I had as a 13 year old boy, but I thought the movie was awesome and that's all there is to it! It did everything it was supposed to do, and I see no fault in giving Michael Myers a true purpose. It was fun, fast, suspenseful and frightening, and still one of my favorite movies of all time!
A stunning sequel. Wraps up the story nicely (a bit too neat but there it is). Best Shape (Dick Warlock), Best mask. Best ending.
@petulant talking shit
Honestly I found that the original wrapped up things much better.
This one is by far the best sequel.. Very intense, everything down to the musical production.. You can tell when there's alot of thought put into every little detail.. Well Done..
Am I the only one who LIKED the twist of Laurie and Michael being related?
I used to but ruins Michaels mentality
Highly doubtful ... lots of people *love* that whole vibe. But I'm one of the people who finds that whole thing rather asinine. All that does is make Myers a guy bent on murdering his two sisters. Adds nothing much to the plot. I often wonder why this connection seems so cool and fascinating to moviegoers. Carpenter pulled this idea out of a beer can, and people act like it's worthy of shock and awe.
Plus, the first film makes little sense when you consider it after the sibling reveal: if Michael was so intent on killing Laurie, if that was his mission by returning to town all those years later, why would he taunt her so much on Halloween afternoon by showing himself over and over-- rather than sneaking up on her and butchering her like he did Judith?
@@eduardo_corrochio It makes more sense for people who saw the TV version of Halloween with the added scene of "Sister" scrawled in the loony bin. The seeds were sort of planted in the unofficial version of the first movie. For many years that version was the only one available on VHS which may have colored the perception of that plotline.
@@reptomicus You've made an interesting point here; a percentage of fans got to know this movie via its network broadcasts which included the sibling references (then they most likely watched the VHS or DVD and were all, "Where's the other scenes?" ... a syndrome which probably drove fans batty, like myself, LOL). Then when they saw Halloween II it was reinforced when Carpenter added this plot element in that film.
I still believe that the link between Laurie and Michael didn't do very much at all for the story-- for me personally. Especially since Laurie has no idea in the first films that this maniac is her kin.
@dave4248 I'm glad you brought that to my attention; I knew there were some things in the 1978 film that just didn't work with the sibling connection ... I just wasn't sure, and you shared a really good one.
In 2018 Jamie Lee Curtis said this about the retcon of the last Halloween movie, why the connection was cut:
"There is nothing more terrifying in the world than a random act of violence, that is the root of terrorism," Curtis says. "Not that you see it coming, that something occurs in a horrible way, without you ever thinking it could happen to you, that's what made this movie so profoundly terrifying, is it was random. Now the story got twisted, and there are people who love that idea. Kevin Smith loves that idea of it being her brother. But to me, what's really terrifying is not knowing why this happened."
I agree. Making them related takes away the wonderful ambiguity of this psycho's motives. And, apparently, a huge chunk of movie watchers _loathe_ ambiguity. They need heaps of back-story, theories, and all that stuff. They can have it, LOL. I like a monster who doesn't seem to have a clear agenda.
Halloween II is the vortex of the whole franchise.
“Vortex” by John Carpenter starts playing
Oh man, I forgot about that! Yeah, how fitting is that?!
It’s kinda sad that it had to get erased because of the burning and sequels.
@@danielrierson6683 Yeah. But the movie will always be there for those who like it.
I'm glad it's becoming a little more well-liked these days.
Daniel Rierson Not so not sad because HMH is back and I’m sure H2020 will be giving many nods to H2. It will receive the love it deserves. 👍🏻
I haven't watched this movie in a few years, it's the only Halloween movie that genuinely creeps me out. Even the music does it.
The best Halloween period... even the intro was spookier than all the rest, the movie is golden...
Dick Warlock owned this role. The way he played Myers is brilliant.
The music alone makes this movie a beast . John carpenter is a brilliant mind
This video was only 15 minutes long, but trust me when I say I was so enthralled that I assumed I'd been watching for over a half hour.
Very informative, very dense with purpose and no filler. This is peak RUclips content, and you've earned a subscriber!
Thanks! I try and make every video as focused and experiential as I can. I appreciate hearing that!
It's one of the few sequels in the series that retains the suspense that was a trademark of the original. To me the hospital basement chase, especially the slowness of the lift at the end, was maddeningly terrifying.
I loved it. Honestly it’s one of my very favorite horror films in fact. That shot of him walking of the fire still gets me to this day.
Started with 1, ended with 2. That’s that.
I agree. Story had a definite end here. Myers and Loomis are dead at the end.
No.... Then H2O is in the same timeline. Not Resurrection though! Fuck that film!
Nope, ended with Part 4.
It really should've, But didn't.
@@mattstorm6568 the 4rth one is decent but I definitely don’t take it seriously as apart of the Halloween film legacy . For me I see it as just a film made for fun , but not taken seriously
It's actually the best film of the series. Best Myers by a long way. Best score by a long way. Best Cinematography. Best atmosphere....
The story has it's downsides compared to the original of course.
Halloween 2018 owes more to the look and feel of H2 than H1.
Part 2 is good but personally part 4 is my favorite. I like the characters, the atmosphere is legitimately creepy especially with the entire town being without power, and it has good pacing. The mask isnt very good but everything else is the best out of them all for me
The first one was the best. Everything after that just kept rehashing the same thing\getting worse and worse with each movie.
@@jrvbamafan1 H78 is one of the greatest movies ever. The best sequels are ok to almost good. H4 is the best sequel (if only that mask wasn't used) it had the best fall/halloween feeling of ALL of them by far (yes even H78).
@@jrvbamafan1 I love Part 4's cold opening. All the farm land, just the wind in the air. Always gave me the chills. Part 4 and Part 2 are underrated. I liked 2018 too. Part 5, Resurrection are god awful. Part 6 is meh at best.
@@brandonsimington 100% agree. The opening to part 4 really set the tone for the movie. I live in an area with lots of farmland and scenes similar to that, so it made me think it could be my little town it was happening in. I believed I was watching a movie where it was legitimately fall, and it was just all very well done imo. I always got into part 4 and related to Jamie because I was about her age at the time it released. I wish they would have gotten Alan b. Mcleroy to write part 5 as well. I thought he did an outstanding job on 4, and he wrote it in something like 12 days because the screen writers guild was about to go on strike, and he had to finish it quickly.
Nurse being lifted up while getting stabbed is still one of my favorite horror movie kills
I literally just rewatched h2 minutes before finding this video
I'm in the minority, I feel the original Halloween II is the best in the franchise, granted its NOT close to perfect. Its the only 1 to age incredibly well, & overall 1 of the most underrated horror films ever.
I won't apologize to anyone. Halloween 2 is to Halloween, what Aliens was to Alien. It's by far the most effective sequel and actually creepier than Halloween 2018.
Still the best sequel, it had the balls to end it before fully tainting the lore, well sadly that happened anyway, but this movie tried to do a direct followup to the original so much so that it takes place the same night. It's not perfect by any stretch, but for a film that didn't really need a sequel I thought, and still think this did the best job. People like to praise Halloween 2018 which is fine, I'd say it's third, or fourth best (toss up between Halloween 2018, and H20), but it doesn't do anything all that innovative to really justify it's existence, especially after so many sequels. It's true that by making a sequel to a lighting in a bottle type movie that Halloween 1978 was, nothing could ever be on the same level, but Halloween 2 from1981 for me personally did the best job. It made sense as a followup, given the ending of the first film, where as the other sequels seem to grasp at straws to seem relevant, or flat out become parody as a result.
H20 is dawson creek type trash, you should be ashaamed and have to wear a cgi mask.
I'm clearly in a minority in this comment section. H2 is the 3rd best sequel after H4 and 2018. Being 4th overall is *NOT* a bad spot for this film
●taking off the nostalgia lens and trivial pros of the style being *VISUALLY* similar to the original....hear me out...
●H4 has a great character duo...Rachel is not completely selfless or selfish..acting like a typical teen..and jamie is obviously troubled by her family past. They actually get to interact with Dr. Loomis more than any other character, Laurie included..beyond needing a simple rescue at the end.
●Thematically...it does Michael justice by making him a monstrous presence that actually inflicts terror on the whole town...not just the TV news/hospital...he actually cripples and terrorizes haddonfield in his time in H4 and he isnt constrained to a single location...much like the original.
●the fall atmosphere is done better here than H2 despite h2 being the same night...how does the town lose halloween imagery? overnight no less...
● you say you love the H2 ending....but you cant ignore the curveball ending of H4, which ends the same way the original one began...which is iconic to horror in general...bc it actually had nerve to try something different...much like the 1978 original.
●2018 does a lot of what I say ^^^^ so I'm not gonna repeat myself.
*I will 100% agree that H5 onwards really fails* ...and it's easy to see why and I wont argue....but H4 is criminally lumped into the general trilogy despite it working as a standalone.
H2 is a guilty pleasure of mine...but seriously..so many people see this as the top of all horror sequels despite it not reaching great heights....not that it does a lot of bad.
I mean nothing happens(that actually matters) apart from the first 15 minutes and last 20...bc Laurie is underutilized and Loomis is halted by plot forces...so we get a very cookie cutter sequel...which brought an element of family that defined a franchise.
H20 is nowhere near 18’ lmao but I agree 2 has a better concept then 18’ but lacks the acting chops and characterization 18’ has which is why I’d say it’s better
My favorite Halloween sequel but the criticisms regarding it are understandable.
Me too. Leo Rossi, who plays that ambulance guy everyone enjoys hating, likens it to an amusement-park ride. It's not solid, but it is fun, and my favorite for that. I think its weaknesses make it better, if that makes sense.
I absolutely agree with you!
@@billslocum9819 It makes total sense; I get what you're saying. And you are spot-on when you said that you "think its weaknesses make it better."
Definitely one of my top favorite Halloween films, and hands down without a doubt one of the best slasher horror films ever. A total classic, along with the OG Halloween ('78)
@@billslocum9819 I thought he was the best character in the movie next to Michael, and Loomis.
@@billslocum9819 are u sure? In the Halloween 2 documentary i saw leo Rossi sayin he considers Halloween2 even better than the original.
I shot him six times!
I've been trick or treated to death.
Dr Loomis: you don't know what death is. < greatest line ever.
Neighbor: Is this some kind of joke? I've been trick or treated to death tonight.
Loomis: You don't know what death is!
~enter creepy musical score ~
@THE 911 GT3 LIFE Oh for sure!!
One of the best intros to a sequel lol
I remember I kept hitting rewind on my VHS tape over and over on that intro just to hear the music come in on that scene👌🏾
Sadly donald p. may have been confused w death n evil in real life. If hes in satans hot pit then he now knows that death is forever. (Satan uses all hollywood films esp horror ones to brainwash the secular masses into thinking death is once n done.)
@@OikPoinFive you're a tinfoil hatter wackjob, you know that, right?
Halloween 1978,Halloween II (1981) AND Halloween 4 shaped my entire love of Horror....everything after that can blow me.
EDIT : As i did grow up in the 90's (born jaunuary of 1991) I noticed that Nobody debated or ever gave a flying shit about the "brother/sister" aspect of Halloween II Until The recent "sequel" of 1978,in 2018's "Halloween" by blumhouse.
Dick Warlock gets a lot of haters, but Honestly I loved his Michael Myers. He had to literally Rise to the Occasion wearing lifts just to get him to 5'7". They did great camera angles to make him look larger than life. With the exception of showing his size compared to the Marshall on the floor, or when he raised the nurse off the floor with the Scalpel. Should have kept those waste high angles. When he stood up after killing the Marshall he looked Wicked Badass! They made him look taller than the doorway by filming further away making the top of the door look shorter than the Shape.
"Getting a baby out of her" is such a good line
If John carpenter hated writing it. He did a damn good job with it. Amazing
Right! Even an uninterested Carpenter is still Carpenter, who can give us a classic.
What’s crazy is that in spite of the bad writing, directing and producing, it still turned out to be a great film in the box office. Plus not everyone hated it. I honestly like Halloween 2. Michael can still be the embodiment of pure evil even with a motive. It’s a hit or miss in my book. Definitely my favorite sequel. I like it better than Halloween 2018 as a sequel
Halloween Kills has made me appreciate this sequel a whole lot more.
After all the hype Halloween 2018 was a major disappointment that I only cared to watch once. I watch the original Halloween 1 & 2 every October.
The end credits playing “Mr Sandman” over the burning body of Michael is such a simple thing but is a masterpiece of an ending in my eyes.
Halloween II is one of the best follow up sequels. So many victims and the chase scenes were more intense than the original… plus, they reveal that Laurie is Myers little sister.
Halloween II is golden and John Carpenter did this with half effort! Amazing!
Tommy Doyle:”you can’t kill the boogie man!
(sees Michael behind Laurie)
..........AAAAAAAAAAAA!!!”
Michael Myers will always be my Favorite character in slasher horror films of all time
The original Halloween 1 and 2 is so great because it’s literally two movies that take place on the same night 💯 perfect plot & that made it relate to the first one 110%
One thing that Halloween 2 1981 doesn’t get enough credit for is how creepy Michael Myers looked in the movie. None of the other movies other than the original had Michael look so creepy
I found this channel a couple weeks ago and I am completely 100% in love with it keep up the good work
Thanks! Happy to have you on board.
Halloween 2 is the first Halloween movie I’ve ever watched so it’s special to me.
"He's waited for this night... he's waited for me... I've waited for him..."
- Laurie Strode (Jamie Lee Curtis), Halloween (2018)
She’s scared to death of him yet needs to stay as close to him as possible.
2018 is yet another bad reboot
@@robertpreston2220 Obvious troll is obvious. That film was actually pretty great. It was a true return to form for halloween.
@@MisterUnknown707 Calling someone a toll is not an intelligent response. have some pride in your responses if you insist on being a jerk
@@MisterUnknown707 yes you are an obvious troll to say something that stupid
I have always said I hate how Warlock gets heat for the slow robotic walk but it just fits the hospital setting. I cannot see Nick Castles faster walk inside the hospital. Plus I love the way the mask looks on Warlock, it has such a pissed and sinister look to it.
Halloween 2 is my fave of the franchise
Considering John didn’t want to do a Halloween 2, it was so good! I could watch 1&2 over and over, from start to finish and never get bored
always loved this film , the dark hallways of the hospital and the way creepier score ...
Criticism from some of Warlock's portrayal of Myers as robotic, but I thought what impressed me was Myers' single-minded drive to kill his sister. Dean Cundey captured Myers as a "force" with his lighting. He was so damn successful with it he captured it again with robot agents in Halloween 3. Those best moments feel cathartic, like a visceral experience that cannot be understated. Myers' head turn for a moment in the hospital room after Laurie shouts his name (and getting shot in the eyes) is iconic because he drops his knife for a moment as if to remember for a moment who he was long ago. Once Cundey left, it was the end of Myers. For the most part since he's a bland piece of cardboard in a mask.
Great review. I always loved PART II a tad better than 78', as a VHS renting kid, it was always a little more fun. As I grow older, of course 78' is a classic, but essentially, I view the two as one. Awesome job. Loved every ounce of this. Take care.
I love how you talked about all of the movies that became copy cats of Halloween and DIDN'T show a F13 poster but a Nightmare on Elm St. poster.
Alot of credit goes to Carpenter for everything he did to put into his movie and the 2nd regardless of how much he didnt like it but Dean Cundey deserves alot of praise too. Had he not helm the cinematography, the movies would probably not look anywhere as good as they do even to this day.
" By the standards of most recent horror films, this - like its predecessor - is a class act. "
40 years later, and after a million of horror films, Halloween 2 confirm how he is litteraly a monument of horror and slasher, on the same King Throne's then the original.
I used to consider the original continuity of Halloween and II to be the full story, ignoring the rest. The last time I watched II remember liking it a lot less than I used to. It's probably still the second best film in the franchise though.
@Nick Xero I think it felt more transparent in its attempt to chase the gore factor of the slasher trends of the 80s rather than focusing on atmosphere like the original. Also, didn't like how Laurie was confined to a bed for most of the movie. I see some parallels with Halloween Kills which I was underwhelmed by too.
Every Halloween, I watch Halloween and Halloween II back to back. For me, the two films tell a complete story. I didn't like how 2018 Halloween just dismissed H2. I do hope the rumors are true and that at least part of the next Halloween will revisit the hospital rampage.
Outside of the argument of making them brother and sister, I still do not understand WTF the problem is with this film. Personally to me it is the most terrifying of the entire franchise and 2nd best after the first movie. The original mask looks more frightening, Michael walks and moves way more demonic and demented than he did in the first one. It makes sense since he got his eye poked, stabbed in the neck with a knitting needle, stabbed with his own knife and shot 6 times. After all that shit and he is still coming to kill, one can only understand that he is no longer human, but pure evil itself. Throw the random killer concept right out the door. I think the setting and the situation makes sense. Hospitals back in those times were scary and very desolate compared to hospitals of our modern times. I know someone who used to work in a hospital that was half functional back in the 1970's. The healthcare back then was not like it is in modern times. She said she could never watch part 2 ever again because it reminded her of where she worked back then. Also personally I like the camara shots in part 2. There are great jump scares and great suspense build up for many scenes. To me and many others it is the perfect direct sequel. As much as I enjoy and like the new movie 2018, part 2 is the superior sequel that captures the time, the setting and the feel that just can't be replicated today.
I completely agree with you on all points !
I agree with you there and I hope Halloween kills don't take place in the hospital cause then that's the kettle calling the pot LOL...why retcon H1981 then H Kills takes place in the hospital???
@@johnhenningfield4360 Yes I hope it does not try to copy original part 2. I heard that only 10-15 minutes of the movie is supposed to take place in a hospital. I hope they keep it to that and actually do something new and creative that does not try to take from any of the other movies.
@@jskypercussion yes..now that we know Carpenter's vision of Myers was to terrorize Haddonfield, they can remove Laurie Strode and her children at anytime but they gonna milk that as usual lol
Superb critique!
My favorite Halloween movie by far. Look, basically 1 and 2 watched together are the ultimate horror experience.
I actually love Michael being Lori's brother and I kinda hate that it was changed in the soft reboot
Me too bud, Just leave things bloody alone ffs
Yeah I literally grew up loving them being brother and sister.
I feel the same way because it really brings it together of why he’s trying to kill her. Whereas he does kill quite a few people, I think he really actually kills those people to fulfill his purpose of killing her, and basically taking care of anything that gets in his way of that purpose.
@@brianlofthouse5806 nah i reckon a killer who has no reason why he wants to kill is way more terrifying
I'd rather a movie make sense than for them to be terrifying, but sounds like you feel different, and that's okay.
I bought a dvd of the original 78 Halloween new from ebay but was pleasantly suprised to find out that it was a double feature and had Halloween 2 on there as well!
Simply the best sequel ever filmed !!! Its an amazing movie in my opinion...
I desperately want to live in a timeline where John Carpenter put effort into Halloween II. It's one of the greatest horror, if not movie sequels of all time. Imagine if he put creative effort into it.
Minus the whole Michael being Laurie's brother thing, I really like this movie. The 2018 one was quite good, but I like to consider this one the rightful sequel. It's got a lot of what made the first one so good, it's very eerie, the cinematography is shot so well. Like you stated Matt, it feels like Halloween is over, it's later in the night, but yet Michael keeps on coming. Since it's a sequel it's more to the point, more aggressive. I like the higher body count and the more inventive kills. It creates Myers as a remorseless, brutal, and innovative killer. I also paints him as this unstoppable force. That's who the Shape is, a man that's not completely human. He is as Loumis so wonderfully says, pure evil.
Without the sibling angle, there is literally no reason why Laurie needs to exist as a character, especially in the newer films. She could have just moved away and Michael would have no reason to be connected with her. But, they brought Curtis back and took away the sister angle, and I don't get why these characters need to interact. The sister angle was still in line with MM killing his sister as a boy. I know Carpenter wanted him just evil with no motivation, but obviously there is some kind of motive he found to escape from the hospital, take a car and come back to where he grew up to kill. He could have just stayed where he was, or kept going from town to town. To me, the sister angle adds a layer that is intriguing, being that he already liked one. Just my opinion. I get why people don't like it.
@@itsalwayssomething7490 That's part of Myers though. We don't know his motivation nor should we. For some reason he just goes "her" and pursues her. And Laurie being haunted by him is the reason she stays prepared to end him.
Love that you ended this with “The Midnight’s Shadows” I fucking love that band! Synth and horror is an incredible combination!
Was ALWAYS the scariest entry in the series to me. Probably because this was shown on the Fox Sunday movie so many times. I was a small kid and it scared the living shit out of me! I also think it is the best entry in the series by far!
I remember begging my uncle to take my cousin and I to it. Back in 1981 I was in first grade and that Sunday night my cousin and I went to Halloween II and my other cousin and uncle went to time bandits. To say the least, I wasn't sleeping that night and I kept the lights on. Then for the next decade Myers would find his way into my dreams. No other horror character has ever been in that realm.
I will always say that 2 is really the only sequel, aside from 2018, that does the first one justice. I can’t watch one and not watch two.
It's probably my favourite of all Halloween films. I've always considered 1 and 2 as one movie... Adore!
Dick Warlock is the best Michael. Castle may have been the original but Warlock made him scary.
he was a more angry michael, considering he got shot 6 times 6 TIMES and stabbed in the eye with a coat hanger it made sense for him to be more aggressive and angry than the more calm and calculating version in the original
I always liked that line in the 2018 movie about her being his brother. It was like a light-bulb went on above my head and that point and I suddenly realised that every Halloween movie is the equivalent ot a campfire ghost story, being told slightly differently with each telling. It's that that helps me accept all the choices made in these films.
I'll never understand whh John Carpenter hated it, but I thought Halloween 2 was great. Ahwell, dude's still a tremendous filmmaker.
He could have changed the script then. It was his darn script.
He is being a baby
@@sgillman16 he was drunk and didn't want shit to do with lmao. He was forced to write the script. Rick wanted the film to be similar to the original Halloween while John wanted it to compete with other slashers
@Tom Ffrench yeah, was it? Or maybe it's because Carpenter tried to make The Fog on the sneak, was busted and was contractually obligated to make this sequel. Then he wanted to tank it publicly out of spite? Guess I answered my own question. He was being a childish diva at this time.
Halloween Two has my favourite kill in the series.
A truck hits a trick or treater in the street and blows up the pedestrian and the driver who commited the man slaughter screams HE CAME OUT OF NOWHERE, when the victim clearly didn't.
Edit: wrote comment before going to bed no watching the video. Glad they pointed it out. Good lord so funny
I thought it was brilliant to start where the original ended.
The first two movies are great because they retain that creepy “escapee from insane asylum strikes suburbia” urban legend vibe. These are movie versions of scary stories your cousins used to tell you way back in the 90s. The details round suddenly grip you with fear when you when to sleep or had to stay home alone at night.
Halloween 2 set the stage for all Slasher sequels. It’s stands perfectly with the original 👍🏽💯
Just in the nick of time, Matt. Just in the nick of time....