Great video. I am so done with over rated/over priced fluorocarbon. Tie the same good knot on clear mono, with a good bait, and catch just as many or more fish, with 30% better abrasion resistance.
Yep.........me too. I posted a comment here over 6 yrs ago saying there's nothing wrong with a palomar knot on fluoro, so long as the knot is tied carefully, like this video shows. HOWEVER, I have since proven to myself that fluoro is the biggest money making scam in fishing history. It is by far the weakest of all fishing lines. That's because fluoro belongs to the GLASS family. Every type of stress causes fractures on the entire length of fluoro off the spool, all the way to your hook or lure. I got sick & tired of losing fish ( even small fish ) on the hook set or even lures during casting, I switched 100% back over to tried & true Berkley/Trilene Big Game mono, and over 90% of my line breakage issues disappeared. I'm DONE with fluoro. The only thing it's good for is getting deep diving lures a little deeper ( because fluoro sinks ) in clear water with NO heavy cover around. And even then, ya have to use brand new fluoro for every trip out on the water, because every hook set, every snag, even big or powerful fish are all causing all of those tiny FRACTURES throughout the entire length of fluoro line off your spool. RUclips ch: SALT STRONG did an amazing video/test that proves once & for all just how sorry fluoro truly is for fishing, and how quickly & easily it breaks, even when brand new. It's over-priced & over-hyped garbage.
without doubt, the very best knot. after tying a few times, second nature. you end up with 2 wraps around the eye. I've always doubled the line, and passed it thru the eye,to start the knot, but with my eyesight going a little south, I will be passing it thru twice this year to start the knot, never to old to learn, thanks for the vid!
*I was pleased with Trilene mono line **enjoyable.fishing** recommend performance (25 lb. test) because it offers smooth casting with no tangles/bird's nest in the spool. And, knots can be tied effectively with ease. I would recommend.*
I was doing everything right, except wetting the line. Great video! Thank's for showing the arbour knot and demonstrating what fluorocarbon does to itself when cinched down. Great idea to show what happens and how it creates those micro abrasions. The Palomar is the strongest know there is, because it bends the line the least amount of times in the finished product and every bend weakens the line strength. The Palomar retains about 90-95% of the line strength when done right. Superior to any other knot. It is strong and the end result is simple in terms of bends.
Great Video, Jason. I watched this video years ago and I haven't had a palomar knot break on me since. These tips are what is needed to fully understand how your knot could break. Follow this video and have the confidence that your palomar knot will not break due to an incorrect tie.
Great video, I do love the palomar knot for my braided line, for Fluoro and mono I prefer the uni knot, feels a little more forgiving when dealing with the line memory and it’s always been pretty strong and reliable.
Beautiful succint explanation of why most knots fail. I have been using a knot testing machine for over three decades. here is what I learned and what you just explained. Knots fail for four reasons: 1. Line crossing....Same as an overhand knot, reduces knot strength 50%...your 10lb is now 5 lb. 2. cinching too soon/carelessly. usually creates a cross...same as above. 3. Failure to lubricate. friction kills ALL monofilaments...braids too.. 4. failure to cinch/tighten evenly.. Friction, slippage and crosses are what make knots fail, presuming no damage to the line. well done! .
If tied correctly,,it will hold. It will hold a 11ft white sturgeon, or smolt nibbler. One of the key steps that all of the Palomar videos fail to miss,,is that you cannot allow the lines to cross on the underside of the hook eye where it finally tightens down. Those must not cross on that final draw up or they will let the line slip eventually and snap when setting a hook. The crossing will occur if you let the hook slip from your grasp while tying.
I was seeking the find out what makes my tie weak. I developed a technic on it but mine was completely different than that. I will try this and compare the results with my technic. Thanks for the tip, because nobody talks about the knot tricks which is VERY important. So many people changing their lines or try to find better lines because cannot tie properly. They choose thicker lines etc. Thanks again.
Our take is you need to be careful with every knot. You cross your wraps on a uni knot it will cut. You cross your wraps on a san diego jam knot, it will cut. You've got to tie the knots right regardless of which one you choose, for them to work well with fluoro.
Good info. I am a slack line hook setter and i was breaking off on the hook set. At the bait. So I was actually wondering if the flouro was bad?? Then I changed knots and did not break off any more. I like the concept of double line thru the eyelet adds more strength. i am gong to go back to the palomar knot and test your idea. Hoping you are correct. Gotta see for myself.
I just pulled a 5lbs bass from a lake on the same line and same knot,no problems,as he said,floro does not like abrasions,i find that most of my breaks are fighting fish running line into objects under water during fight causing breaks and loss of fish with floro. Floro is a great line for lures needing to go deep,the draw back,cant rub against nothing for it will break.
dmkappa62 just like its not a Croppie..... it’s a Crappie. It’s not a Crawfish.... it’s a Crayfish. I understand it’s fishing and not English Class, but c’mon !
I have been fishing Spider Wire braid, after I had tried several other braids on baitcasters and never tried anything else since. I even took the mono off of my little ultra light open face spinning reels and put braid on them. Only thing I have to worry about is being careful of not breaking the rods. Usually have 6 rods on the deck and even after several years and the green braid turns almost white , I have never had a break off. Have no idea how much money I have saved. Use to change out my mono line at least 3 times a year. I don't remember what year I started using Spider year, but started Bass fishing shortly after coming home from Nam. What some other said, was true about fluorocarbon line back then was stiff like fine wire. Old man still fighting Agent Orange
that's when i tried it too and i prefer it over many of the modern braids. I still have 2 unopened boxes of the spiderwire Original from around 20 years ago. the black and red box. If i remember right, the average cost for bulk spooling in typical freshwater reel pound test was $.25-.45/yard which was a lot considering trilene and stren were under $3/spool back then.
When you break it down it is a really very cost effective and you don't loose as many lures either. When I was fishing Slider Worms in the hot summer , I lost very few fish on my ultra lite or lures, because I could just straighten the hook. I could also feel about any pick up. I carried a old drum stick to wrap the line around, to pull with. You were right about the black and red box. Still have several, suppose they are collectables now ? :-) vic
Nice video!Thank you!Anyway I use the uni knot and I am afraid to change.Please give me a honest advice.Is the palomar knot better on fluorocarbon than the uni knot????thank you!!
this explains why over my 32 years of life when this damn knot seemed to have failed at carp fishing. Big heavy fish pulling a weak spot in the knot... oh man it hurts.
I have issues with tying a fluro leader to braid.... I use 15lb fluro and 50lb braid and if I don't get that knot perfect it will cut into itself after awhile, or just worry me to death causing a me to re-tie after a few fish... Usually will take me 3 or 4 times to tie until I am 100% over confident in the knot where both lines come together perfect and its just damn near impossible to break/cut/slip.... Its amazing how strong fluro to braid is when its done correctly
My knot never breaks. I use only this knot for my saltwater leaders. But all my line is 50lb to 130lb braid depending on which reel I am using. If your having break offs with braid try using a heavy top shot.
heard others say the same about fc and palomar being a bad combination. I also have not had a problem with it. I usually use a slightly heavier fc leader directly tied to a thinner copolymer mainline. that line to line connection is where it usually breaks for me.
I guess at the end of the day there are lots of good knots for a barrage of applications. I prefer the uni knot for attaching most baits to flouro or mono. I use a Palomar for attaching directly to braid. Just my way of doing it. Seems to work ok. Thanks for the tip.
Ouch. You can find videos that the clinch knot is at best only 60% as strong as your line rating. Palomar on the other hand tied right is 100%. I would highly recommend changing your knot.
The video in your wired2fish article on the palomar knot which uses the orange rope as an example. Puts the loop BELOW the knot. Then further down the article u show the loop ABOVE the knot like it is in this video... which is the correct way ?
he's right!....line breaks most of the time because of 2 things only....the line has abrasions and people have the drag set too tight and pull against the fish when they should be going with him...I've been fishing with a man for yrs that uses a simple improved clinch knot and he never breaks off.
Lots of pros still only use the Improved Clinch. Never had a problem so they never changed. We like that same philosophy. Find a knot that works for you and stick with it. Personally I tie a Uni 99% of the time. - Jason
Wired2Fish Roger that....I use a double improved clinch and check my line consistently.....the biggest problem I've always had is setting the hook to quickly when I'm catching fish I've found stacked up....I GET EXCITED COME IN!...🐋
Does it matter whether you do the overhand knot around the front in through the back or around the back in through the front? Also does it matter whether you put the hook/swivel in through the front or back of the loop towards the end of the knot?
This so much, use a palomar most of the time and never have an issue. Paying attention to the knot as you tie it will make it a versatile and strong knot.
I've been thinking of trying the palomar knot, so I've been testing it against all the other knots everyone says is better for flouro. I've tied the palomar, using 6lb line, exactly the way you showed in this video and it has beaten every single one of the "better" knots. A lot of the other knots broke very easily, so I can't understand why everyone thinks they are so good. Maybe they aren't tying the palomar correctly, but some of the guys making these videos are pros.
Yes, I've tried it thanks, it's a good knot. Every now and then I'll give something different a try. At the moment I'm using a uni knot, which I know some people will say is not so strong. But it's quick and easy and I'm tying swivel clips to 20lb leaders with it, so it's strong enough. If you are looking for a braid to leader knot, I can highly recommend the FG knot, if tied correctly, it's excellent.
Qoul Wan Rite on, yea the fg knot is the best leader knot, I like the uni to uni also it works well but the fg is more low profile and goes thru the guides well, it took me like 5 trys when I first watched how to tie it but it is a great knot, like a Chinese finger trap
Best part about this is this is exactly how I've always tied my palomar knots because I use alot of Spooks so I need alot of excess in my loop and this was the only way to keep that long loop from slipping to the under side of the eye of the hook.
Great points. But if you need to be that careful, it might be better to use a different knot. Especially if your needing to retie in the early morning hours or at night.
my palmor knot breake yesterday. spindelreel locked my throw. boom all gone. . uni knot have never failed me 5-8 turns on nylon 9-11 on bread line. best knot ever. even pulled 130 pounds to it break knot is still there and one feet line. i loop the the lure snell... two turns before i do the uni knot. reallly hard.
I only use palomar knots with braid. Sometimes I use a double palomar if not being lazy and both don't break on me. I never use them with other lines unless it's with on a drop shot.
i grew up using the trylene knot but just recently learned how to tie a palomar knot and although the trylene knot is second nature to me now from using it so much my whole life i gotta say palomar knot would be much easier for first timmers to learn and it works better with braided line too
No matter what type of knot you'll use, it will brake at the knot (unless you have deep cuts on your line). Because knot reduces line's braking strength in half (50%, even more if it is not correctly set in). I didn't believe until done some testing myself. Let's say you have 32lb (14kg) line. With the perfect knot on the hook max you can pull is 16lb (7kg). And this number drops with imperfection and type of knot. Test for yourself before disagreeing.
Use the Trilene Knot if you are using monofilament or fluorocarbon line. Use the Uni Knot for braid knots. I guess you can use a Double Palomar Knot for braid if you want, but beware of slippery braid.
Exactly, where most people fail is on the 1st step, they kink the line then push the kink through the eye. I seen a lot of people do that, it hurts their knots but 99% will never know because they never put their line through a vigorous test, I never say anything because fishing is supposed to be fun, and telling people they are tying their knots wrong even though they've (tied it that way for 39 years and never had a knot fail) will bum out a fishing trip.
I had problems with braid breaking at the knot. I've been bass & catfishing 35 yrs and am a religious re-tie guy, and have not ever been broken off by a bass on mono or fluoro. Not any fish that didn't wind me around an abrasive object. The ONLY fish I've ever had break me off in open water was on braid that had double the rated poundage as my mono & fluoro. I've tried three different knots with all the same result.
You say to pull up the loop and sinsh it on top and other videos say to finsh that loop at the bottom without it getting caught on the hooks metal loop eye end.
He didnt say dont use the arbor knot, just dont cinch it tight til you get to the end. If youre like me I make a big loop and tighten it then cinch it letting that half knot cut thru about six inches of line. .Ive been doing it all wrong but never had a problem
It's funny how learning the same info again through a different source still brings satisfaction. Great fishing tip!
Finally, proper information. This is such a simple knot but nobody explains how to tie it properly. Thanks for the great information. 👍
Great video. I am so done with over rated/over priced fluorocarbon. Tie the same good knot on clear mono, with a good bait, and catch just as many or more fish, with 30% better abrasion resistance.
Yep.........me too. I posted a comment here over 6 yrs ago saying there's nothing wrong with a palomar knot on fluoro, so long as the knot is tied carefully, like this video shows. HOWEVER, I have since proven to myself that fluoro is the biggest money making scam in fishing history. It is by far the weakest of all fishing lines. That's because fluoro belongs to the GLASS family. Every type of stress causes fractures on the entire length of fluoro off the spool, all the way to your hook or lure. I got sick & tired of losing fish ( even small fish ) on the hook set or even lures during casting, I switched 100% back over to tried & true Berkley/Trilene Big Game mono, and over 90% of my line breakage issues disappeared. I'm DONE with fluoro. The only thing it's good for is getting deep diving lures a little deeper ( because fluoro sinks ) in clear water with NO heavy cover around. And even then, ya have to use brand new fluoro for every trip out on the water, because every hook set, every snag, even big or powerful fish are all causing all of those tiny FRACTURES throughout the entire length of fluoro line off your spool. RUclips ch: SALT STRONG did an amazing video/test that proves once & for all just how sorry fluoro truly is for fishing, and how quickly & easily it breaks, even when brand new. It's over-priced & over-hyped garbage.
Mason hard type mono… that is where it’s at for leader material.
It's all in the details, always take your time when tying a knot. It's the weakest link between you and a fish of a lifetime.
Thanks a lot for the information as Paloma knot is my most often used knot by far! Thanks again for the video.
without doubt, the very best knot. after tying a few times, second nature. you end up with 2 wraps around the eye. I've always doubled the line, and passed it thru the eye,to start the knot, but with my eyesight going a little south, I will be passing it thru twice this year to start the knot, never to old to learn, thanks for the vid!
FalconerPhoto the uni knot works pretty good too, especially with Fluoro and mono line
@FalconerPhoto , so get you, I like that knot as well, it's just that when you trust a knot, it's hard to do another.
*I was pleased with Trilene mono line **enjoyable.fishing** recommend performance (25 lb. test) because it offers smooth casting with no tangles/bird's nest in the spool. And, knots can be tied effectively with ease. I would recommend.*
Thank you sir! Been tying a Palomar knot for a long time and never knew what I was doing wrong.
I was doing everything right, except wetting the line. Great video! Thank's for showing the arbour knot and demonstrating what fluorocarbon does to itself when cinched down. Great idea to show what happens and how it creates those micro abrasions. The Palomar is the strongest know there is, because it bends the line the least amount of times in the finished product and every bend weakens the line strength. The Palomar retains about 90-95% of the line strength when done right. Superior to any other knot. It is strong and the end result is simple in terms of bends.
Great Video, Jason. I watched this video years ago and I haven't had a palomar knot break on me since. These tips are what is needed to fully understand how your knot could break. Follow this video and have the confidence that your palomar knot will not break due to an incorrect tie.
Thanks Mike! It's a great knot. Any knot will be susceptible to breakage if it digs into itself on crossed lines.
Thanks for sharing! I love this knot for a few reasons. Your video couldn't of come to me at a better time 🎣
Great video, I do love the palomar knot for my braided line, for Fluoro and mono I prefer the uni knot, feels a little more forgiving when dealing with the line memory and it’s always been pretty strong and reliable.
This was an excellent reminder! Thank you for the terrific video, well done!
I have used this knot basically since my Dad taught it to me over 30yrs ago and I have never had an issue.
I haven't either
you have no idea how helpful was for me keep up the good spirit... tnx
Beautiful succint explanation of why most knots fail.
I have been using a knot testing machine for over three decades.
here is what I learned and what you just explained.
Knots fail for four reasons:
1. Line crossing....Same as an overhand knot, reduces knot strength 50%...your 10lb is now 5 lb.
2. cinching too soon/carelessly.
usually creates a cross...same as above.
3. Failure to lubricate.
friction kills ALL monofilaments...braids too..
4. failure to cinch/tighten evenly..
Friction, slippage and crosses are what make knots fail, presuming no damage to the line.
well done!
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Thanks for the great breakout on knot fail reasons Sean. A great addition to the video content.
THANK You.well done..cheers🍺
Now this guy knows how to tie a knot the right way.
K8Nicole Yes! New considerable theory! octopus lives in trees
Thank you every other video was very confusing. You did it step by step very nicely.
Best all around knot. Fast strong and easy.
artichoke890 We agree! We also use a Uni knot a lot.
Wired2Fish Wat about the San Diego jam knot? I've used it alot and it works great. Palomar on certain things and Sdjk on others for me.
The Fish-N-Fool knot has been proven to be the best all around knot and it's easy to tie.
Niiice, I was losing heavier lures. Literally leaving the house now to go fishing and you no doubt have saved me money! 😁 thumbs up from me.
I agree, its making sure that initial double through the eyelet is straight and it's smooth sailing from there
Pal-o-mar, like the mountain on San Diego Co. meaning 'a roost for pidgeons'. My favorite knot also.
I use the Palomar knot a lot, and also San Diego Jam knot , especially when using Carolina rigs, I like them both. They are both strong Knots!
Thanks for the hint! Have only used Pline floroclear so far but I knew I was doing something wrong! Happy New Year and God bless!
If tied correctly,,it will hold. It will hold a 11ft white sturgeon, or smolt nibbler. One of the key steps that all of the Palomar videos fail to miss,,is that you cannot allow the lines to cross on the underside of the hook eye where it finally tightens down. Those must not cross on that final draw up or they will let the line slip eventually and snap when setting a hook. The crossing will occur if you let the hook slip from your grasp while tying.
Thank You for the knowledge !
I was seeking the find out what makes my tie weak. I developed a technic on it but mine was completely different than that. I will try this and compare the results with my technic. Thanks for the tip, because nobody talks about the knot tricks which is VERY important. So many people changing their lines or try to find better lines because cannot tie properly. They choose thicker lines etc. Thanks again.
The Devil is in the details. Thanks. Great video.
Best one yet. Thanks
Great info, especially showing what happens when you tie it wrong and cross your wraps.
Nice Video... Thank you!
I didn't think good knots were important until I started fishing for bass. They are freakishly strong.
Make sure your drag is set right too, that’s very important to not having them break you off.
I like the last tip good to know. Thanks
Thanks for explanation and demo
Our take is you need to be careful with every knot. You cross your wraps on a uni knot it will cut. You cross your wraps on a san diego jam knot, it will cut. You've got to tie the knots right regardless of which one you choose, for them to work well with fluoro.
clear vid and demo. great
Good info. I am a slack line hook setter and i was breaking off on the hook set. At the bait. So I was actually wondering if the flouro was bad?? Then I changed knots and did not break off any more. I like the concept of double line thru the eyelet adds more strength. i am gong to go back to the palomar knot and test your idea. Hoping you are correct. Gotta see for myself.
Nice. I think pulling the loop over is a good idea!
I just pulled a 5lbs bass from a lake on the same line and same knot,no problems,as he said,floro does not like abrasions,i find that most of my breaks are fighting fish running line into objects under water during fight causing breaks and loss of fish with floro.
Floro is a great line for lures needing to go deep,the draw back,cant rub against nothing for it will break.
Its pal o mar. Not polymer. But theyre a great knot.
dmkappa62 just like its not a Croppie..... it’s a Crappie.
It’s not a Crawfish.... it’s a Crayfish.
I understand it’s fishing and not English Class, but c’mon !
Depends on what part of the country you're from
Who's they?lol
Thank You !
I have been fishing Spider Wire braid, after I had tried several other braids on baitcasters and never tried anything else since. I even took the mono off of my little ultra light open face spinning reels and put braid on them. Only thing I have to worry about is being careful of not breaking the rods.
Usually have 6 rods on the deck and even after several years and the green braid turns almost white , I have never had a break off. Have no idea how much money I have saved. Use to change out my mono line at least 3 times a year.
I don't remember what year I started using Spider year, but started Bass fishing shortly after coming home from Nam.
What some other said, was true about fluorocarbon line back then was stiff like fine wire.
Old man still fighting Agent Orange
that's when i tried it too and i prefer it over many of the modern braids. I still have 2 unopened boxes of the spiderwire Original from around 20 years ago. the black and red box. If i remember right, the average cost for bulk spooling in typical freshwater reel pound test was $.25-.45/yard which was a lot considering trilene and stren were under $3/spool back then.
When you break it down it is a really very cost effective and you don't loose as many lures either. When I was fishing Slider Worms in the hot summer , I lost very few fish on my ultra lite or lures, because I could just straighten the hook. I could also feel about any pick up.
I carried a old drum stick to wrap the line around, to pull with.
You were right about the black and red box. Still have several, suppose they are collectables now ? :-) vic
@ littlegoobie,Just 1 bad thing about old line especially 20 year old line. It can/will weaken/lose strength over time.
@ victor castle,Thanks for your service sir.
Subbed the moment you showed me what a half-hitch does to fluoro. :)
Good info man -- thanks for the vid
Super presentation 😃
Nice video!Thank you!Anyway I use the uni knot and I am afraid to change.Please give me a honest advice.Is the palomar knot better on fluorocarbon than the uni knot????thank you!!
Nice video sir. Thanks for sharing.
Appreciate it Ron.
@@Wired2Fish,Morning sir. Yvmw.
@@Wired2Fish Afternoon sir. Just wondering how many total separate comments did you get/see 4 days ago from me?
this explains why over my 32 years of life when this damn knot seemed to have failed at carp fishing. Big heavy fish pulling a weak spot in the knot... oh man it hurts.
I have issues with tying a fluro leader to braid.... I use 15lb fluro and 50lb braid and if I don't get that knot perfect it will cut into itself after awhile, or just worry me to death causing a me to re-tie after a few fish... Usually will take me 3 or 4 times to tie until I am 100% over confident in the knot where both lines come together perfect and its just damn near impossible to break/cut/slip.... Its amazing how strong fluro to braid is when its done correctly
I agree with you how necessary it is to Not cross the line That’s why I think it’s easier just to use the San Diego Jam Knot And it’s Stronger!
My knot never breaks. I use only this knot for my saltwater leaders. But all my line is 50lb to 130lb braid depending on which reel I am using. If your having break offs with braid try using a heavy top shot.
heard others say the same about fc and palomar being a bad combination. I also have not had a problem with it. I usually use a slightly heavier fc leader directly tied to a thinner copolymer mainline. that line to line connection is where it usually breaks for me.
I guess at the end of the day there are lots of good knots for a barrage of applications. I prefer the uni knot for attaching most baits to flouro or mono. I use a Palomar for attaching directly to braid. Just my way of doing it. Seems to work ok. Thanks for the tip.
THE CLINCH KNOT IS MY GO-TO, 5 NEVER HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH IT BREAKING. JUST SAYIN'.
*On fluorocarbon and mono
Ouch. You can find videos that the clinch knot is at best only 60% as strong as your line rating. Palomar on the other hand tied right is 100%. I would highly recommend changing your knot.
The only issue with the clinch knot is if you dont wrap it enough itll slip
Great video thanks keep up the great work!
The video in your wired2fish article on the palomar knot which uses the orange rope as an example. Puts the loop BELOW the knot. Then further down the article u show the loop ABOVE the knot like it is in this video... which is the correct way ?
That was my problem I was pulling the mailine tight before pulling on the tag end.
he's right!....line breaks most of the time because of 2 things only....the line has abrasions and people have the drag set too tight and pull against the fish when they should be going with him...I've been fishing with a man for yrs that uses a simple improved clinch knot and he never breaks off.
Lots of pros still only use the Improved Clinch. Never had a problem so they never changed. We like that same philosophy. Find a knot that works for you and stick with it. Personally I tie a Uni 99% of the time. - Jason
Wired2Fish Roger that....I use a double improved clinch and check my line consistently.....the biggest problem I've always had is setting the hook to quickly when I'm catching fish I've found stacked up....I GET EXCITED COME IN!...🐋
Does it matter whether you do the overhand knot around the front in through the back or around the back in through the front?
Also does it matter whether you put the hook/swivel in through the front or back of the loop towards the end of the knot?
This so much, use a palomar most of the time and never have an issue. Paying attention to the knot as you tie it will make it a versatile and strong knot.
Thank you for the video
Thanks for the video, i kept losing fish because my loop would bind on the bottom of the eye.
Very informative
Great info thanks!!!
I've been thinking of trying the palomar knot, so I've been testing it against all the other knots everyone says is better for flouro. I've tied the palomar, using 6lb line, exactly the way you showed in this video and it has beaten every single one of the "better" knots. A lot of the other knots broke very easily, so I can't understand why everyone thinks they are so good. Maybe they aren't tying the palomar correctly, but some of the guys making these videos are pros.
Qoul Wan Have you tried the San Diego jam knot? it works great for me when I'm not using a palomar
Yes, I've tried it thanks, it's a good knot. Every now and then I'll give something different a try. At the moment I'm using a uni knot, which I know some people will say is not so strong. But it's quick and easy and I'm tying swivel clips to 20lb leaders with it, so it's strong enough.
If you are looking for a braid to leader knot, I can highly recommend the FG knot, if tied correctly, it's excellent.
Qoul Wan Rite on, yea the fg knot is the best leader knot, I like the uni to uni also it works well but the fg is more low profile and goes thru the guides well, it took me like 5 trys when I first watched how to tie it but it is a great knot, like a Chinese finger trap
It's awesome, what species do you fish for?
Qoul Wan large mouth bass but I enjoy catching any kind of fish, I'm a bass angler at heart tho
17 pound so it would show up really well in the video.
Love your videos.Appreciate it!
That's actually the Revo STX Gen 3 on a Villain 7'6" Flippin stick.
Best part about this is this is exactly how I've always tied my palomar knots because I use alot of Spooks so I need alot of excess in my loop and this was the only way to keep that long loop from slipping to the under side of the eye of the hook.
I use it with monofilament line stren works just fine
Thank you it helps
Great points. But if you need to be that careful, it might be better to use a different knot. Especially if your needing to retie in the early morning hours or at night.
Awesome video! I completely, 100% agree with everything you said. Hopefully my palmar knots are good :p
The only knot I use. besides flies and small hooks
Berkley Braid is all I tie on flouro. Shaw Grigsby has a great tutorial video on that.
my palmor knot breake yesterday. spindelreel locked my throw. boom all gone. .
uni knot have never failed me 5-8 turns on nylon 9-11 on bread line. best knot ever. even pulled 130 pounds to it break knot is still there and one feet line.
i loop the the lure snell... two turns before i do the uni knot. reallly hard.
The only benefit I see I flouro is sensitivity and low stretch. Mono is better in all other aspects
Wetting nylon line weather fluro or mono weakens it significantly.
I only use palomar knots with braid. Sometimes I use a double palomar if not being lazy and both don't break on me. I never use them with other lines unless it's with on a drop shot.
i grew up using the trylene knot but just recently learned how to tie a palomar knot and although the trylene knot is second nature to me now from using it so much my whole life i gotta say palomar knot would be much easier for first timmers to learn and it works better with braided line too
bad ass info. good job bro.
Great Video!
great tie, bead would help though right?
Always tied that way. But I use Copoly and Braid
i was asking what they were, and giving what i thought they were lol im abu for life, i would love that combo
No matter what type of knot you'll use, it will brake at the knot (unless you have deep cuts on your line). Because knot reduces line's braking strength in half (50%, even more if it is not correctly set in). I didn't believe until done some testing myself. Let's say you have 32lb (14kg) line. With the perfect knot on the hook max you can pull is 16lb (7kg). And this number drops with imperfection and type of knot. Test for yourself before disagreeing.
Also if you fight the fish & not horse it in will make a difference.
Thoughts on double polomar knot.. looping it twice makes it stronger or weaker?
Weaker as least with mono and fluorocarbon.
Use the Trilene Knot if you are using monofilament or fluorocarbon line. Use the Uni Knot for braid knots. I guess you can use a Double Palomar Knot for braid if you want, but beware of slippery braid.
I use power pro with a polymer knot and never had a problem
thanks
I'm new to using florocarbon leader material. would the Palomar be good for 50lb florocarbon leader?
Exactly, where most people fail is on the 1st step, they kink the line then push the kink through the eye. I seen a lot of people do that, it hurts their knots but 99% will never know because they never put their line through a vigorous test, I never say anything because fishing is supposed to be fun, and telling people they are tying their knots wrong even though they've (tied it that way for 39 years and never had a knot fail) will bum out a fishing trip.
Thanks bro for ur tip
I had problems with braid breaking at the knot. I've been bass & catfishing 35 yrs and am a religious re-tie guy, and have not ever been broken off by a bass on mono or fluoro. Not any fish that didn't wind me around an abrasive object.
The ONLY fish I've ever had break me off in open water was on braid that had double the rated poundage as my mono & fluoro.
I've tried three different knots with all the same result.
Looks good thank you. Kia ora Jon
can you tell me why they don't put put silicon on fluro verses mono..??
Ty
You say to pull up the loop and sinsh it on top and other videos say to finsh that loop at the bottom without it getting caught on the hooks metal loop eye end.
SO, what type of knot should I use to tie fluorocarbon onto my reels if the Arbor knot is a poor choice?
He didnt say dont use the arbor knot, just dont cinch it tight til you get to the end. If youre like me I make a big loop and tighten it then cinch it letting that half knot cut thru about six inches of line. .Ive been doing it all wrong but never had a problem
after you do the overhand know and bring the loop around the hook, did you put the tag back through the loop? i can't make it out in the video...
Yes. You want to keep the lines parallel the whole time through cinching the knot down tight.