It really chaps me that this gives the appearance that this crash was only a tragedy because Payne Stewart died. There were three other passengers, the pilot and first officer. They all had loved ones, too. I hate it when celebrities are given top priority in any story like this when they were part of a group of people.
That mindset is all about ego. I understand that in this dimension, such thoughts prevail. However, according to those who have experienced death, these things cease to matter. In the end, if you weren't beside someone famous, you wouldn't receive much attention either.
Putting "Don masks" as the first item in a check list seems like a good step, but an even better one would be straight up training pilots to grab that mask the instant a cabin pressure warning is given.
I am really suprised that they did not do that, you would think that is trained into pilots from the 1st day of flight school. It also seems like a common sense move. That both pilots did not wear their masks is really strange.
@@ikennamadueke9131 I feel it's the sort of thing where it seems logical and sensible to us, but it wouldn't have been to them. They were trained to grab that checklist first thing, and start working on fixing the issue. Couple that with the oncoming hypoxia and the way that muddles your thinking as your blood oxygen levels diminish, and the idea probably wouldn't cross their minds to reach for the masks. When you're suffocating (with certain exceptions; I've heard that CO2 suffocation is active and painful, and you _know_ it's happening) you're more often than not unaware of what's happening as your mind starts to drift, and your cognitive functions slow. Logical things that deviate from the current thought process can often fall by the wayside, simply because you're caught and spinning your proverbial wheels unproductively trying to make the thing that should work do what it's supposed to do.
The first time I heard about the crash and what happened, I was astounded. First I thought why didn't either pilot put the mask on until I saw it's way down the list. Where you'd be unlikely to be conscious with even less chance of still being able to recognize what was happening and react properly. Pilots are drilled to follow the checklist and this crash got some of those checklists altered to prevent it for others.
I am a pilot and that’s my exact sentiment. Anytime I would ever be in a cabin pressure situation the very first thing I would do is don my oxygen mask. To me honestly it seems like common sense I wouldn’t need a checklist or a warning to tell me that. Edit: Yes, emergency checklist are great to have but they are mostly there for reminders of what to check in an emergency situation because in that kind of a situation you can easily overlook things but by no means should any pilot follow that checklist into an early grave.
Whoa! Hold on. This says that records showed that crews had used oxygen masks successfully in the weeks before. Hard stop. Why did crews need to use oxygen on that plane in the weeks before? This makes no sense.
Where I work at, we are required to check our oxygen tanks once every two months (should be more often, but the company doesn't like to "waste money" on what they view as something that isn't going to be used all that often) I wouldn't be surprised if the airline had the same policy of verifying that the masks are working properly. So in a way it does make sense. I also wouldn't be too surprised if perhaps the NTSB did investigate that part, but found that it didn't contribute anything to the investigation.
I was thinking the same thing!!! @Suisfonia Then they should have specified that in the video. The manner in which it was stated in the video was not entirely clear if the crews use of oxygen masks was due to issues or just routine testing of it.
@@azhiker9927 Aye, and that is something I do wish they had been more clear on, since it can lead people to think that the NTSB didn't do a proper investigation (and, honestly? For all we know they didn't)
Interesting thought... Was on a lear35 from Dallas to St Louis we were @ 42 thousand ft when the check valve on the left engine blew open. The left seat pilot having flow F 4 put his mask on followed by co pilot. Very high temp entered the cabin and ears popped due to pressure change. Glad im here to tell this
Above a certain altitude, the regs actually require that at least one member of the flightcrew wear a mask at all times. (Granted, this is rarely enforced.)
I think JAL 123 is the worst flight in terms of passenger stress and suffering. Those pilots worked hard to keep this severely damaged plane in the air for over half an hour as it went through various rolls, phugoid cycles, pitch changes, etc. Then when it crashed, Japan’s government decided there was no survivors from the air and for the next day, crash survivors would slowly succumb to their injuries, leaving only a few survivors. All that being said, hypoxic conditions on JAL 123 was temporary and all aboard were very much conscious during the majority of the incident recovery/crash.
@@TitaniumTurbine Thanks for the reply! I wish you weren't correct, but you are. Still, those on PSA 182 had their own terror. Imagine seeing houses and streets approaching through the windows...
I would know but I’ve been a pilot. Too bad the copilot had only 100 hrs exp and the pilot didn’t catch it, but it may not have made a difference if it was only seconds for hypoxia to set at the altitude they were at 26,000 and climbing last contact….Or it was something more sinister?
I remember watching this live with my mom. She was devistated. He was her favorite golfer. We had just gone to an event in Michigan shortly before this where he was playing and she got a pic with him. She still has that pic hanging in her laundry room.
As a pilot wouldn’t you grasp your oxygen mask immediately if cab altitude warning comes on don’t read the manual 1st get that mask on and warn your passengers then go thru your checklist that is common sense knowing how fast hypoxia sets in
I think the show is implying that it wasn't common procedure at the time, or if it was acknowledged as what should be the procedure, it hadn't been implemented in training/manuals on a widespread basis, with this crash bringing more attention to it
@@brianalambert1192 This. They were trained to grab for the checklist and start those procedures, probably with the mentality that it should immediately set things to right if done correctly. Therefore, with this procedure drilled into their heads, "grab masks" was probably not on their proverbial radar, as it would've seemed an unnecessary waste of time in the midst of trying to get what was wrong with the plane under control (which probably seemed like the greater threat in their minds). By the time it might have occurred to them that they were in danger, their brains were probably too oxygen deprived to coherently recall that the masks were there, and would've saved them.
After this crash the procedure checklist was changed. They were following the checklist which yes seems crazy. Sadly don masks was far enough down the list they didn't make it.
@@JamesMacready-gn5xtBrain death occurs 5-8 minutes after oxygen deprivation occurs. They were dead before the controllers even knew something was wrong.
I remember hearing about this incident in real time when I was listening to a Kansas City radio station. Stewart's plane was passing over the same general area.
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 Same thought here I can understand it may need turned off for maintenance. However, it should be in your face to attempt take off like that and even more unavoidable passing up into heights when you'd normally be pressurized at to breathe.
I'm guessing they taking a massive more powerful plane above the learjet, hook them together via tether and the big plane just pulls up, climbing a higher altitude so the learjet is dead vertical and the wings would snap off from the sheer force of oncoming air, that was out of the question to do. That would render the plane inoperable yet get it on the ground safely But shooting it down was not out of the question
Here's another failure of the cockpit voice recorder that only records the last 30 minutes of flight. I realize that this was a limitation of the technology at the time, but increasing the time to several hours would have provided the answer much sooner. And uploading the CVR data to a remote recording -- like in the cloud -- would have been a significant improvement.
Non-pilot, but retired 72 yo US MD and SCUBA Diver + Instructor here. I love flying and reading or seeing these aviation stories and videos, sad as many including this one are. Sad, yes, that such a talented upbeat apparently perhaps very loving type guy like Stewart died because of probably very preventable mistakes and errors. However, I was particularly even more saddened by the loss of the young very enthusiastic copilot passing the same way just starting her career, and the youngish mid career pilot as well. Many good suggestions here by you all as far as causes and errors and potential preventable errors and design flaws. I’d like to read the full Lear and NTSB reports and find out every suggested remedy that was made and actually carried out by Lear, FAA and any other group to prevent this again. So many important changes to be made here. I enjoyed reading your thoughts and solutions for these problems. Thank you, Dr. J.
The show is still going on, they are at Season 24 right now, with the current episode having aired on April the 24th. I don't think it helps that the number of airline crashes has been on a steady decline in recent years (which is good for the public, but bad for channels like this) I'm sure we'll see a major uptick in these episodes once newer airplane technologies start to become more readily available (if you have been watching the industry, you'll know what I mean)
Re-creation is eerie, but... What's the mystery? Reduction in cabin pressure caught them off guard... and that was it. No "stumped" to it. Another thought: How many privileged, rich people who jump from one place to another on their luxury planes (and other modes of transport) meet untimely deaths? I think way too many. These are cases of reverse-class "rewards". By the way, Lear Jets have not been manufactured since 2021. So I am glad I am poor; not a great life, but a long, adequate one.
@@superweedenjoyer Well, OK, but I submit the ultimate cause of loss of cabin pressure is not that important; as they said, a door gasket slow leak, etc. There'd be a semi-infinite variety of possible causes. The important thing was loss of control by the pilots. That's what matters.
In most cases it doesn't help in general, as its written by people who *do not* fly. It's like the rules made up for departments within other companies, they are often made by people who don't do the jobs in those particular departments.
Why don't they design the cvr and fdr to send data to a satellite and then down to a computer hard drive, then it wouldn't matter weather you find them or not?All the data would be safely saved on a computer somewhere on tera firma.
Mentour Pilot has a good video on that topic. If I'm not mistaken, the single biggest challenge is bandwidth - each black box stores a ton of data, and every single large plane would need to to transmit all of it via satellite to a computer database.
The plane should have a complete flight plan for every scenario on a “Blackbox” recorder so that it is able to provide ALL safety information to the crew!
I thought the cause was that the Crew Oxygen Bottle shut off valve as closed. This should have been found on Pre-flight check list ie: Test Oxygen flow >>
At least they haven't switched to an "AI" narrator. Stephen Bogaert narrates these series. He knows how to follow the show, very clear dramatic voice. One of the best voices on TV/communication anywhere!
They spend years in training and several days acclimatizing at base camps at different altitudes. Even then, those that can summit Everest without supplemental O2 are very few and far between.
First thing should be mask. Then lower the plane to a safe level flight for them to regain the ability to breathe. Then notify atc then work on problem.
That remark about maybe the alarm should say something about putting masks on makes me think of changes in fire alarms...what decades ago was just a buzzer, then formed into a specific defined beep pattern, now modern alarms alternate a beep/horn and spoken announcements like "fire, evacuate" or similar. I know I also much prefer car GPS apps which announce what's ahead vs beeps and boops I have to guess at...just tell me "hazard on shoulder" or "red light camera" don't make me guess or look for icons and names.
Because holding your breath keeps the oxygen available in your lungs. 3 minutes is bad ass btw but by breathing normally every new breath in had less and less oxygen. It would be like u breathing all the way out and then see how long u can hold it for. When u hold your breath for any time u took a breath of oxygenated air. The air they took in at 24k feet barely had any oxygen comparably
I don't fly, for many reasons. When I was a kid planes routinely crashed, they even made disaster movies about it. (Airport, Airport 75, Airport 79...) I don't go up in tall buildings either, (Towering Inferno) and I don't go on boats. (Poseidon Adventure)
A lot can happen on and often does on good 'ol Terra firma, more frequently even....earthquakes, tornadoes, volcanic eruptions, hurricanes, floods, ect. There are movies about all those disasters too. Maybe you better not watch them.
"Gee ... I can't breathe ... don't we have oxygen masks?" My guess is that someone forgot to pressurize the cabin, and the hypoxia set in gradually. No one noticed, they just felt sleepy ... slee ..eee...p ....
I'm only interested in how they investigated this plane crash and all the drama that came with it. I don't give a damn about that Payne-in-the-ass Stewart.
I don’t understand why they wouldn’t have just used the oxygen mask anyway. I’m a pilot and regardless of that checklist the first thing I would have done is don my oxygen mask.
Did the passengers not have oxygen masks that dropped down automatically? I suppose it wouldn't have mattered, anyway, since they would have outlived the pilots but died anyway.
How did an experienced pilot allow his plane to continue climbing before checking the emergency list?....could he have lowered his altitude and communicated with the ground...for the issues...Sorry to they families...
There was no time. Loss of consciousness occurs within a minute of hypoxia. If the pilots were not so focused on the list, they had a out enough time to don thier masks and make sure the passengers did the same. Then, they could troubleshoot the issue. Instead, they used it to read through solutions they didn't have time to implement.
This thing crashed about 30 miles from my town in SD. I noticed, at 13:05, the map shows "Bismark" North Dakota. Actually, that's BISMARCK. I should know, my mother was born and raised there. Americans are becoming more and more illiterate every year.
Y'all want to know what's really shocking??? Passenger air flights only have a very limited amount of oxygen for each passenger... There is a small canister that gets activated which produces pure oxygen - but it doesn't last very long. Aint that a daisy? It could very well be possible that hypoxia and death set in with some of these plane catastrophes before the plane ever hit the ground.. Who would know once the bodies get burned and mangled? If it jasnt happened yet, it sounds very possible - especially if the flight crew was incapacitated for some reason, because nobody could get through that door.
It's hard to believe that someone would make such a bonehead action plan as to do anything other than oxygen masks FIRST! Furthermore, is the flight crew responsible for the passengers oxygen masks as well l, or do they automatically deploy? And if not, why not? Had the masks deployed for the passengers you'd think one of the passengers might have gone up to check the Captain and Co-pilot in between breaths... At least they would have given them a second chance.
I THINK TODAYS TECHNOLOGY should have some way to put a remote control receiver in the plane that some one in another plane could possible fly the plane by remote
Ummm, how about no? We already saw that with the so called "self driving cars" which had a remote control in it that would allow the parent companies to remotely operate the vehicles, only for someone to hijack them and cause problems. We had that happen in Vegas during one of the expo's for these pieces of junk, last thing we need is for one to be put onto a plane so that some kid (or terrorist) to remotely control that plane into the ground or a vehicle, and before you claim it can't happen, yes it can. Also, before you use UAV's (drones) as an example, remember that the military has kept the frequencies they use tightly controlled (and even then, nations like Iran have been successful in hijacking those drones)
Clickbait and title suspense are two different things. Also, as an aviation enthusiast, these incidents are indeed uncommon. Please tell me the last time a plane was left on auto-pilot with a crew suffering hypoxia/death. I’ll give you the Helios flight in Greece that occurred after this one. Go ahead, list ‘em.
@@TitaniumTurbine I doubt they can, current public records show that Helios 522 is the last airplane to crash involving hypoxia. So to be honest, I think it's not uncommon but instead quite rare.
@@TitaniumTurbine hey turbine, i remember probably a dozen or so similar insidious cabin depressurization events since if flew jets in the air force in the 1970's. these incidents are indeed rare, but my point was that they are well understood by ntsb investigators. they were not 'stumped' at any time during the investigation. i was waxing hyperbolic, and made a poor choice by using the word common. my bad.
Bill Clinton trying not to smile at the crash is as clear as need be, clearly Mr. Stewart knew something and this was no accident...killary strikes again
I would hope after this incident that commercial pilots were required to undergo hypoxia training. I'm a commercial diver, and I have to do hypoxia training every 2 years.
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It really chaps me that this gives the appearance that this crash was only a tragedy because Payne Stewart died. There were three other passengers, the pilot and first officer. They all had loved ones, too. I hate it when celebrities are given top priority in any story like this when they were part of a group of people.
Yep. Note to self try not to die with a celebrity because you will be completely forgotten.
@@twigstudios Unless you are the one that takes out the celebrity then you become famous or infamous rather 🙈🤣
It goes both ways. The accidental death of Helyna Hutchins would have been ignored by the media if it hadn't been Alec Baldwin holding the weapon.
That mindset is all about ego. I understand that in this dimension, such thoughts prevail. However, according to those who have experienced death, these things cease to matter. In the end, if you weren't beside someone famous, you wouldn't receive much attention either.
Putting "Don masks" as the first item in a check list seems like a good step, but an even better one would be straight up training pilots to grab that mask the instant a cabin pressure warning is given.
I am really suprised that they did not do that, you would think that is trained into pilots from the 1st day of flight school. It also seems like a common sense move. That both pilots did not wear their masks is really strange.
@@ikennamadueke9131 I feel it's the sort of thing where it seems logical and sensible to us, but it wouldn't have been to them. They were trained to grab that checklist first thing, and start working on fixing the issue. Couple that with the oncoming hypoxia and the way that muddles your thinking as your blood oxygen levels diminish, and the idea probably wouldn't cross their minds to reach for the masks. When you're suffocating (with certain exceptions; I've heard that CO2 suffocation is active and painful, and you _know_ it's happening) you're more often than not unaware of what's happening as your mind starts to drift, and your cognitive functions slow. Logical things that deviate from the current thought process can often fall by the wayside, simply because you're caught and spinning your proverbial wheels unproductively trying to make the thing that should work do what it's supposed to do.
The first time I heard about the crash and what happened, I was astounded. First I thought why didn't either pilot put the mask on until I saw it's way down the list. Where you'd be unlikely to be conscious with even less chance of still being able to recognize what was happening and react properly. Pilots are drilled to follow the checklist and this crash got some of those checklists altered to prevent it for others.
And since that one pilot was on Air Force pilot, you’d think he would have instinctively known what to do.
I am a pilot and that’s my exact sentiment. Anytime I would ever be in a cabin pressure situation the very first thing I would do is don my oxygen mask. To me honestly it seems like common sense I wouldn’t need a checklist or a warning to tell me that.
Edit: Yes, emergency checklist are great to have but they are mostly there for reminders of what to check in an emergency situation because in that kind of a situation you can easily overlook things but by no means should any pilot follow that checklist into an early grave.
Whoa! Hold on. This says that records showed that crews had used oxygen masks successfully in the weeks before. Hard stop. Why did crews need to use oxygen on that plane in the weeks before? This makes no sense.
Where I work at, we are required to check our oxygen tanks once every two months (should be more often, but the company doesn't like to "waste money" on what they view as something that isn't going to be used all that often) I wouldn't be surprised if the airline had the same policy of verifying that the masks are working properly.
So in a way it does make sense. I also wouldn't be too surprised if perhaps the NTSB did investigate that part, but found that it didn't contribute anything to the investigation.
I was thinking the same thing!!! @Suisfonia Then they should have specified that in the video. The manner in which it was stated in the video was not entirely clear if the crews use of oxygen masks was due to issues or just routine testing of it.
@@azhiker9927 Aye, and that is something I do wish they had been more clear on, since it can lead people to think that the NTSB didn't do a proper investigation (and, honestly? For all we know they didn't)
Interesting thought... Was on a lear35 from Dallas to St Louis we were @ 42 thousand ft when the check valve on the left engine blew open. The left seat pilot having flow F 4 put his mask on followed by co pilot. Very high temp entered the cabin and ears popped due to pressure change. Glad im here to tell this
Above a certain altitude, the regs actually require that at least one member of the flightcrew wear a mask at all times. (Granted, this is rarely enforced.)
Hypoxia is 1000x better than screaming in terror as your death approaches. I refer to both PSA 182 and JAL 123.
I think JAL 123 is the worst flight in terms of passenger stress and suffering. Those pilots worked hard to keep this severely damaged plane in the air for over half an hour as it went through various rolls, phugoid cycles, pitch changes, etc. Then when it crashed, Japan’s government decided there was no survivors from the air and for the next day, crash survivors would slowly succumb to their injuries, leaving only a few survivors.
All that being said, hypoxic conditions on JAL 123 was temporary and all aboard were very much conscious during the majority of the incident recovery/crash.
@@TitaniumTurbine Thanks for the reply! I wish you weren't correct, but you are. Still, those on PSA 182 had their own terror. Imagine seeing houses and streets approaching through the windows...
@@TitaniumTurbine it took JAL123 30 minutes to fly out of control then finally crash
or the truly horrifying nightmare of alaska 261
@@adotintheshark4848 Hey, bro. Not sure, but it may have been closer to 50 mins.
Well at least they just slipped into unconsciousness and never knew what happened to them
You HOPE!
I would know but I’ve been a pilot. Too bad the copilot had only 100 hrs exp and the pilot didn’t catch it, but it may not have made a difference if it was only seconds for hypoxia to set at the altitude they were at 26,000 and climbing last contact….Or it was something more sinister?
I remember watching this live with my mom. She was devistated. He was her favorite golfer. We had just gone to an event in Michigan shortly before this where he was playing and she got a pic with him. She still has that pic hanging in her laundry room.
I think being an investigator would be both a rewarding and frustrating job.
REALLLLLGGHY?
@@Lone2011Wolf Go ahead, spill your federal agency biases. I know you got them but I won’t tell you how I know.
@@TitaniumTurbine you’re not going to start crying are you?
As a pilot wouldn’t you grasp your oxygen mask immediately if cab altitude warning comes on don’t read the manual 1st get that mask on and warn your passengers then go thru your checklist that is common sense knowing how fast hypoxia sets in
I agree. That part bothered me. That warning should have immediately startled them to donning the mask.
I think the show is implying that it wasn't common procedure at the time, or if it was acknowledged as what should be the procedure, it hadn't been implemented in training/manuals on a widespread basis, with this crash bringing more attention to it
@@brianalambert1192 This. They were trained to grab for the checklist and start those procedures, probably with the mentality that it should immediately set things to right if done correctly. Therefore, with this procedure drilled into their heads, "grab masks" was probably not on their proverbial radar, as it would've seemed an unnecessary waste of time in the midst of trying to get what was wrong with the plane under control (which probably seemed like the greater threat in their minds). By the time it might have occurred to them that they were in danger, their brains were probably too oxygen deprived to coherently recall that the masks were there, and would've saved them.
After this crash the procedure checklist was changed. They were following the checklist which yes seems crazy. Sadly don masks was far enough down the list they didn't make it.
I suspect everyone on that plane lost consciousness and passed away peacefully long before the crash.
Pretty much...
I think they were alive but unconscious.
@@JamesMacready-gn5xtBrain death occurs 5-8 minutes after oxygen deprivation occurs. They were dead before the controllers even knew something was wrong.
At that high of an altitude life period only lasted minutes, not the 4 hours of the flight
hipoxia causes unconsciousness, then brain damage then finally death.
I remember hearing about this incident in real time when I was listening to a Kansas City radio station. Stewart's plane was passing over the same general area.
Investigators are NOT STUMPED. The pressure switch was turned off.
That that's even OPTIONAL is scary!
@windsofmarchjourneyperrytr2823 Same thought here I can understand it may need turned off for maintenance. However, it should be in your face to attempt take off like that and even more unavoidable passing up into heights when you'd normally be pressurized at to breathe.
Investigators WERE* stumped this happened a quarter of a century ago... They didn't figure it out until after the plane crashed.
@@GMSpkilla A period after "stumped" 2 spaces and a capital T on "this" 2 sentences -- not one.
Such sad and preventable deaths.
I'm guessing they taking a massive more powerful plane above the learjet, hook them together via tether and the big plane just pulls up, climbing a higher altitude so the learjet is dead vertical and the wings would snap off from the sheer force of oncoming air, that was out of the question to do. That would render the plane inoperable yet get it on the ground safely
But shooting it down was not out of the question
Oh nice, caught it just 15 minutes after upload. Awesome.
Here's another failure of the cockpit voice recorder that only records the last 30 minutes of flight. I realize that this was a limitation of the technology at the time, but increasing the time to several hours would have provided the answer much sooner. And uploading the CVR data to a remote recording -- like in the cloud -- would have been a significant improvement.
What if it's not cloudy?
What a tragedy !😢 RIP to all on board !
I remember this so well. I was a big Payne Stewart fan. I actually cried when we got the news.
Just watched this last week from this channel... why the repost?
Non-pilot, but retired 72 yo US MD and SCUBA Diver + Instructor here. I love flying and reading or seeing these aviation stories and videos, sad as many including this one are. Sad, yes, that such a talented upbeat apparently perhaps very loving type guy like Stewart died because of probably very preventable mistakes and errors. However, I was particularly even more saddened by the loss of the young very enthusiastic copilot passing the same way just starting her career, and the youngish mid career pilot as well. Many good suggestions here by you all as far as causes and errors and potential preventable errors and design flaws. I’d like to read the full Lear and NTSB reports and find out every suggested remedy that was made and actually carried out by Lear, FAA and any other group to prevent this again. So many important changes to be made here. I enjoyed reading your thoughts and solutions for these problems. Thank you, Dr. J.
"At some point, you WILL come down."
I believe I solved the mystery as to why the pilots went unconscious! At 40:58 they have a 3M respirator hanging on the wall. 🤣
Did the show end or something, why yall reuploading old eps
The show is still going on, they are at Season 24 right now, with the current episode having aired on April the 24th. I don't think it helps that the number of airline crashes has been on a steady decline in recent years (which is good for the public, but bad for channels like this)
I'm sure we'll see a major uptick in these episodes once newer airplane technologies start to become more readily available (if you have been watching the industry, you'll know what I mean)
At least that guy narrowed it down to 2 states for a possible crash site
Re-creation is eerie, but... What's the mystery? Reduction in cabin pressure caught them off guard... and that was it. No "stumped" to it. Another thought: How many privileged, rich people who jump from one place to another on their luxury planes (and other modes of transport) meet untimely deaths? I think way too many. These are cases of reverse-class "rewards". By the way, Lear Jets have not been manufactured since 2021. So I am glad I am poor; not a great life, but a long, adequate one.
They knew what happened but not why
@@superweedenjoyer Well, OK, but I submit the ultimate cause of loss of cabin pressure is not that important; as they said, a door gasket slow leak, etc. There'd be a semi-infinite variety of possible causes. The important thing was loss of control by the pilots. That's what matters.
Im going to guess depressurization.
the checklist didn't help that time
In most cases it doesn't help in general, as its written by people who *do not* fly. It's like the rules made up for departments within other companies, they are often made by people who don't do the jobs in those particular departments.
Why didn't the pilots just descend below 10,000 feet FIRST!!!!!!! Then declare and emergency!!!!!!!
Wait if flying an F-16 at the speed a Learjet flies is tricky, how on Earth do you land those things?
I assumed they meant it's tricky to match speeds well enough to see inside but not get too close and hit it.
Why don't they design the cvr and fdr to send data to a satellite and then down to a computer hard drive, then it wouldn't matter weather you find them or not?All the data would be safely saved on a computer somewhere on tera firma.
Mentour Pilot has a good video on that topic. If I'm not mistaken, the single biggest challenge is bandwidth - each black box stores a ton of data, and every single large plane would need to to transmit all of it via satellite to a computer database.
The plane should have a complete flight plan for every scenario on a “Blackbox” recorder so that it is able to provide ALL safety information to the crew!
...and he's flying a Learjet to heaven.
What has always impressed me, they were all over this runaway plane in record time but on 9-11 they couldn't find their butts.
Of all the fears I have about flying, this is the one
Was this before or after the Helios airplane incident?
The Lear was 1999. Helios flight 522 was 2005.
20:20 hey buddy calm down there.
Can you do a story on the helicopter crash that kilked guitarist Stevie Ray Vaughn?
Just for the record, the gf was like 15.
I thought the cause was that the Crew Oxygen Bottle shut off valve as closed. This should have been found on Pre-flight check list ie: Test Oxygen flow >>
Where did you see that?
Wasn't this uploaded 9 days ago lol
is this an update to the story? cuz i already watched this video on this channel
No, they have to swap episodes out because it’s offered as a paid series.
They have it on other channel I’m watching too.
At least they haven't switched to an "AI" narrator. Stephen Bogaert narrates these series. He knows how to follow the show, very clear dramatic voice. One of the best voices on TV/communication anywhere!
0:35 what are you talking about unsolved.
Yet there have been people who summited Mt. Everest (29,000 ft.) without the use of supplemental oxygen.
People do that with training and spend days adjusting to progressively higher altitudes and even then it's only been done by a handful of people.
They spend years in training and several days acclimatizing at base camps at different altitudes. Even then, those that can summit Everest without supplemental O2 are very few and far between.
You DO know you can't just drastically go on a mountain or under water, right? You can die.
First thing should be mask. Then lower the plane to a safe level flight for them to regain the ability to breathe. Then notify atc then work on problem.
1st...finish Sudoku
2nd...don mask
3rd...coffee
4th...lower altitude
Looks like the thing to do first is to dive down to 10,000 ft guick as possible
That remark about maybe the alarm should say something about putting masks on makes me think of changes in fire alarms...what decades ago was just a buzzer, then formed into a specific defined beep pattern, now modern alarms alternate a beep/horn and spoken announcements like "fire, evacuate" or similar. I know I also much prefer car GPS apps which announce what's ahead vs beeps and boops I have to guess at...just tell me "hazard on shoulder" or "red light camera" don't make me guess or look for icons and names.
If it takes only 15 seconds to lose consciousness when the cabin depressurizes, why can i hold my breath for 3 minutes?
Because holding your breath keeps the oxygen available in your lungs. 3 minutes is bad ass btw but by breathing normally every new breath in had less and less oxygen. It would be like u breathing all the way out and then see how long u can hold it for. When u hold your breath for any time u took a breath of oxygenated air. The air they took in at 24k feet barely had any oxygen comparably
I don't fly, for many reasons. When I was a kid planes routinely crashed, they even made disaster movies about it. (Airport, Airport 75, Airport 79...) I don't go up in tall buildings either, (Towering Inferno) and I don't go on boats. (Poseidon Adventure)
Scared much? It's just Hollywood. What about all the car wrecks in movies? Do you just walk? SMDH
A lot can happen on and often does on good 'ol Terra firma, more frequently even....earthquakes, tornadoes, volcanic eruptions, hurricanes, floods, ect. There are movies about all those disasters too. Maybe you better not watch them.
Have you tried bubble wrap?? I suggest trying it. Wrap yourself up in it snug and tightly and will help for sure
How do you feel about Christine and elevators. Then? Final Destination must have really messed you up.
Why would a golfer ever get paid that much money? So many other people deserve that rather than somebody playing a game.
😂I guess money is the most important thing missing in your life
@@dishdog215 and morals and values are missing from yours then.
To me, anyone that can afford to hire a private Learjet to go cross country is high profile
"Gee ... I can't breathe ... don't we have oxygen masks?" My guess is that someone forgot to pressurize the cabin, and the hypoxia set in gradually. No one noticed, they just felt sleepy ... slee ..eee...p ....
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I'm only interested in how they investigated this plane crash and all the drama that came with it. I don't give a damn about that Payne-in-the-ass Stewart.
My question is why did previous pilots need to wear the masks? Was there a problem before hand, and it came to a head on the last flight?
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I don’t understand why they wouldn’t have just used the oxygen mask anyway. I’m a pilot and regardless of that checklist the first thing I would have done is don my oxygen mask.
Did the passengers not have oxygen masks that dropped down automatically? I suppose it wouldn't have mattered, anyway, since they would have outlived the pilots but died anyway.
How did an experienced pilot allow his plane to continue climbing before checking the emergency list?....could he have lowered his altitude and communicated with the ground...for the issues...Sorry to they families...
There was no time. Loss of consciousness occurs within a minute of hypoxia. If the pilots were not so focused on the list, they had a out enough time to don thier masks and make sure the passengers did the same. Then, they could troubleshoot the issue. Instead, they used it to read through solutions they didn't have time to implement.
You would know the answers to your questions if you watched the video.
Let’s see all these issues with all These DEI hire videos start coming out.😊
This thing crashed about 30 miles from my town in SD. I noticed, at 13:05, the map shows "Bismark" North Dakota. Actually, that's BISMARCK. I should know, my mother was born and raised there. Americans are becoming more and more illiterate every year.
Y'all want to know what's really shocking???
Passenger air flights only have a very limited amount of oxygen for each passenger... There is a small canister that gets activated which produces pure oxygen - but it doesn't last very long. Aint that a daisy? It could very well be possible that hypoxia and death set in with some of these plane catastrophes before the plane ever hit the ground.. Who would know once the bodies get burned and mangled? If it jasnt happened yet, it sounds very possible - especially if the flight crew was incapacitated for some reason, because nobody could get through that door.
If you can tell strangulation w petreciae (sp?), I'm sure suffucation has signs, too.
Wanna know what's even more shocking?
You're 100% wrong.
It's hard to believe that someone would make such a bonehead action plan as to do anything other than oxygen masks FIRST! Furthermore, is the flight crew responsible for the passengers oxygen masks as well l, or do they automatically deploy? And if not, why not? Had the masks deployed for the passengers you'd think one of the passengers might have gone up to check the Captain and Co-pilot in between breaths... At least they would have given them a second chance.
Yet another upload of old videos… nothing new.
Did the woman forget to turn on the valve 💀
Just wanted to say: 100th Comment! That's all 😂
i wouldnt be surprised if a assaination
For what purpose? Those on board weren't exactly important figures in the world, and their passing didn't exactly change anything.
@@Suisfonia One of Payne Stewart's golfing competitors hired a suicidal hit man.
@@ReligiousZombie Ok and where is the proof of that? All I've found are conspiracy theories, not actual *proof* that that is what actually happened.
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18:17 Wreckage burning in that farm field???? No, absolutely not! No fuel left, no fire. Come on, guys!
I THINK TODAYS TECHNOLOGY should have some way to put a remote control receiver in the plane that some one in another plane could possible fly the
plane by remote
Sure, then terrorists could highjack the plane without harming themselves...great idea Osama
Ummm, how about no? We already saw that with the so called "self driving cars" which had a remote control in it that would allow the parent companies to remotely operate the vehicles, only for someone to hijack them and cause problems. We had that happen in Vegas during one of the expo's for these pieces of junk, last thing we need is for one to be put onto a plane so that some kid (or terrorist) to remotely control that plane into the ground or a vehicle, and before you claim it can't happen, yes it can. Also, before you use UAV's (drones) as an example, remember that the military has kept the frequencies they use tightly controlled (and even then, nations like Iran have been successful in hijacking those drones)
F-16 DOES NOT HAVE A CENTRE "STICK" BETWEEN PILOTS KNEES.
CONTINUITY. ITS A JOYSTICK TYPE ON ONE OR OTHER SIDE ON ELBOW REST..
good lord people… the same episodes being reposted over and over again? whoever runs this channel needs to be fired😂
nice clickbait. these incidents are not that uncommon. investigators were not stumped.
Clickbait and title suspense are two different things. Also, as an aviation enthusiast, these incidents are indeed uncommon. Please tell me the last time a plane was left on auto-pilot with a crew suffering hypoxia/death. I’ll give you the Helios flight in Greece that occurred after this one. Go ahead, list ‘em.
@@TitaniumTurbine I doubt they can, current public records show that Helios 522 is the last airplane to crash involving hypoxia. So to be honest, I think it's not uncommon but instead quite rare.
@@TitaniumTurbine hey turbine, i remember probably a dozen or so similar insidious cabin depressurization events since if flew jets in the air force in the 1970's. these incidents are indeed rare, but my point was that they are well understood by ntsb investigators. they were not 'stumped' at any time during the investigation. i was waxing hyperbolic, and made a poor choice by using the word common. my bad.
This what happens when you let women fly
Bill Clinton trying not to smile at the crash is as clear as need be, clearly Mr. Stewart knew something and this was no accident...killary strikes again
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I would hope after this incident that commercial pilots were required to undergo hypoxia training. I'm a commercial diver, and I have to do hypoxia training every 2 years.