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Most of us have the window shades closed after takeoff, cos of our inflight movies to avoid glare and keep the cabin dark. But yeah, it would be scary to see the ocean rapidly approaching if the window shades are open.
@@thatguyalex2835"most of us." You mean you. You aren't most of us. I don't close the shade unless the sun is directly in my face. I'd much rather look out the window at the scenery, than some in flight movie lmao. At least at first.
@@AngieW-ri6qxme too, I have to monitor constantly to make sure everything is ok 😅😂 I also help the pilots land the plane by getting all tense and praying for safe landing. Haha I am so scared of flying.
@@GreenDotAviation Your narration skills are first class -I like your Irish accent coupled with your easy listening mellow voice - one funny thing though -to me at least (especially for aviation videos ),is the way you pronounce “column”-your Irish accent comes out as “collleeum”-a cross between cauliflower (or maybe Colosseum !)and column, Gosh I hope I haven’t made you self-conscious after that !, on a serious note you have a brilliant channel which does not sensationalise nor overdramatise the events and covers the technical aviation aspects well but remains gripping and riveting like a good drama❤
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It's because the National Geographic people also have to recreate some scenes which takes time. They also have to wait for the final report and interview some people.
There is a voluntary reporting program that is widely used among US commercial airline employees for the purpose of risk management. The aircraft also reports data.
I believe this incident should have definitely been reported to the NTSB regardless of if the aircraft was damaged or if injury occurred. Even in Nursing, we report all incidents that are near misses, and I would definitely count this as a near miss.
@@surchris Months after the event, the incident was reported to the airline by the pilots. But the Airline did not report the incident to the NTSB and it only reached their attention after a third party saw the flight data on an aircraft tracking website and it got media attention.
We actually do as pilots. Theyre called ASAP Reports. It also protects pilots by not being punitive towards them and NASA /FAA and the airlines collect data and it gives very insightful data.
18:08 If the pilot doesn't grasp by now that going full throttle with the control column dipped below the horizon line isn't a good idea, I'd say retraining should start back at making paper planes.
Not that easy once you're disoriented in IMC conditions. Your body lies to you - you wont be able to tell the left from up; you sometimes get fixated faced with multiple challenges. They had plenty on their plate - storms, windshear, IMC, unfamiliar settings. Unusual attitude recovery in IMC is no joke. I'd give them some credit for salvaging the situation. I dont know about 20k hour pilots but for a few hundred hour ones like us, we learn something new everytime in IMC. Practice practice practice!
@kimmccabe1422 save your ego... you can't say for certain what you'd do especially in that scenario. People like to believe they would but if pilots with ten thousand hours plus make mistakes then you can't say you'd do it better
Post Covid pilots, nobody’s safe until these pilots get another 10 years at least of experience flying commercial planes. Pilots and Boeing planes are trash, traveling is like a gamble now.
It was explained very clearly why he did that. he was used to the Airbus which would hold the pitch attitude after a stick input. he didn't notice the plane was dipping down because he was fixated on the airspeed and flaps.
One of your best, not just an accurate depiction of events but a fantastic dive into training and flying history that were likely the root cause of converting a minor mistake to a near catastrophe
Yea like most rules and regulations they are faulty and never work as intended. Whole aircraft full of passengers literally seconds from diving into the ocean and they don't think it needs to be reported.
@@xcalibertrekker6693 At what point would you suggest the NTSB get involved? If they have to address every bump, they’d be overwhelmed. There needs to be some levels of safety that can be addressed by the company itself to alleviate NTSB involvement. The company was told about the incident and gave the pilots more training. So this was taken care of in-house. The crew could have stayed silent about the incident since no signs of this situation showed up till months later. I don’t know about you but in my job, we don’t usually tell on ourselves cause we aren’t interested in getting in trouble based on the fact that our company stacks up minor issues that may happen, such as a boot coming undone. Enough of those in a year can get you 3 months on the street. So unless it’s obvious we usually stay quiet. This crew may have said something cause they don’t know if the passengers will say something, thus getting the crew in double trouble cause of the incident and that they didn’t report it. Maybe you can suggest a better system that covers every single problem. If you can I’m sure the NTSB would like to hear from you.
That's why crews go through hours of hours of type-rating training in order to be qualified to fly a type. All those time in the simulator and flying with a check airman are what is supposed to prevent this from happening.
Both have their advantages and disadvantages. It's also why there is type rating and training. You then fly the planes you are rated for. To switch, they would go for training and simulation training for that type. Even if you're going back to one you've done before.
@Pax6833 - Look at the history of aircraft disasters. Boeing is almost always the one to fail. Further, the last 3 most notorious "close calls" are all Boeing related. I feel MUCH safer when I am in an airbus. I am NOT a pilot, but to me, it sounds WAY more safe to have a pitch stable plane than an "idle" one. Who wants ANYTHING "idling" in a plane??? You need control so you can focus on other variables. Controlling too many variables is too ambitious. Again, NOT a pilot, just common sense.
@@lisaproustresearch Understandable. Boeing is usually a result of mechanical or maintenance issues. Airbus is usually due to over reliance on automation and flight control issues. Boeing gives a pilot more control to do what they need or want, forcing them to keep their knowledge in check and their skills in practice. Airbus by default won't let a pilot into an unsafe state unless something goes wrong, which can startle pilots unexpectedly, making the issue worse.
@@lisaproustresearchI fly a boeing but I’m an airbus guy at heart. Both are exceptional companies but with very different philosophies. Boeing gives more overall control and trust to us under any conditions whilst under normal conditions airbus trusts the systems more. Under normal conditions you could argue airbus is safer but the problem with airbus arises in non normal situations when it essentially turns into a boeing and not all airbus pilots keep their manual flying skills up to task.
My uncle, aunt, nephew and niece were on this flight! They were on vacation. My uncle was sitting towards the back of the plane. He told me that the plane suddenly went up, dived and came like 900 feet from the ocean. He was in an aisle seat and when he was in a crash position he looked over out the windows and he swore they were going to dive into the ocean because he could see full ocean filling the window with no horizon also because of the weather. He said it was nothing but screams and the smell of poo for a little bit. Afterwards i think the pilot said something like: "Alright, you probably felt a couple G's but everything is ok." Crazy thing is that even after they made it to San Francisco, after all that they had to fly back to Ohio. Crazy flight for my niece and nephew since it was their first time flying.
I watch a lot of these and I’m always sympathetic to the pilots because I understand how quickly confusion can set it. This one is really hard for me to understand. Why didn’t the captain simply look at his attitude indicator and react to it? His eyes were already right there looking at the speed tape, I assume. Interesting.
Because the Airbus can turn you into a crap pilot. I recently went from a 737 to the A-320. Half the captains do not want you taking the auto throttles off. It’s silly. Any good pilot would have simply turned the auto thrust off, reduced thrust and trimmed the plane fir more pitch. This is incredibly difficult to understand.
@@dustyrhodes2717 well, that’s interesting to hear from an Airbus pilot. I was thinking there must have been some gap in my understanding. Thanks for the input.
Boeing planes still fly just like a Cessana, pitch, power and trim. They're traditional you might say. Airbus does a lot for you but you lose that hands on connection and some basic skills you learnt from those Cessanas.
This video made me recall a landing at BDL in extremely thick fog. Completely unknown to us, we were getting lower and lower into the clouds, all the wile not knowing that we were entering ground fog as we came in. And then we landed. Usually, I watch out the window, seeing the ground get closer gradually, letting me know we were about to land. But this time, it was cloud, fog, landing. It was a bit startling to many of us. I had no feeling that the plane was getting lower, nor did i feel any change in direction. It all felt level and normal, and it even made me lose track of the time. That landing made me realize just how easy it is to lose all situational awareness.
If I were in a plane that was nearly flown into the sea by a confused captain, I'd surely be suffering psychological damage, even if I were physically unhurt. Nearly dying does that to people. This definitely should have been reported to the NTSB.
@@joerizoz1125if a captain of an aircraft tells the airport that he/she can’t fly the plane safely in current conditions I don’t see why the flight wouldn’t be delayed tbh
Unfortunately airlines put a lot of pressure on everyone involved to be on time because of money. If air disasters didn't cost them money then they would not care about safety at all.
Is it possible to know the time between when the plane entered the dive, FO noticed the dive, and when the plane finally pulled up? If it’s a short amount of time it’s scary because they were seconds from disaster. If it’s a long amount of time it’s scary that nothing was down to resolve the problem sooner. Loved the video mate, keep ‘em coming.
It was mere seconds. This explainer video makes it seem stretched out, as it’s necessary to show how the situation developed. But this happened incredibly fast in real life.
This was catastrophic negligence on the part of the PF and this man should no longer be flying. Aviate: this means know your height and flight angle if it means anything at all. Early onset dementia?
@@daftvader4218 I checked some sources both channels listed and apparently there are both ATC transcripts and flightradar data to look at. The whole ordeal most definitely took no more than 45 seconds, which is stated in The Air Current's report, so while I didn't search every source, 10 seconds for the dive sounds plausible.
I definitely think there should be an added category to reports for these kinds of close calls. I'd class it as a high-risk safety incident - similar to those reported according to the Work Health Safety Act in Australia. It would definitely warrant an investigation into the cause, and subsequent actions taken to mitigate the risk so far as reasonably practicable.
I used to do work on the roads and we had a reporting system called "near miss" that encompassed almost anything you can think of even if it wasn't a near miss.
Just watched Mentour Pilot's video about this very incident, then YT recommended me yours. You guys posted your vids just a few hours away from each other, pretty neat to have two slightly different (but equally well made and informative) reports about this close call 👍
Great recreation and telling of this incident. my grandfather was a piolet. I have flown a fair amount, but it still scares me, Not afraid of heights, just afraid of a mistake and crashing.
The aircraft is more than capable of handling that kind of weather, the danger came from the crews shocking lack of situational awareness. This is a prime example of complacency and forgetting to scan the interments instead of getting tunnel vision and just focusing on one specific thing.
It’s chilling to think that if this incident happened at night time, 100% the plane would have smashed into the sea. The pilots wouldn’t have seen clearly that they were heading into the sea if it was dark. Crazy scary thought!
@@surchris dude, when it is pitch black outside, it's not always easy to quickly see the difference from the black/dark sky, and the black sea, during daytime your eyesight can quickly pick this up. So that extra 5-10 or maybe even 30 seconds of not being able to pick up the sea, would mean the plane would have smashed into the sea.
@@surchrismany plane crashes in the sea are because pilots are normally spatially disoriented and they cannot visually see the sea, this incident the pilots were able to see a difference though Crashes like gulf air 072 had everyone on board not even knowing they had died or the pilots knowing knowing had dove their airplane to the ocean
Best ever aviation accidents channel out there. Period. What I love most about this is how technical and right to the point the analysis are. I am a low time PPL, I find this an important part of my never ending learning and development journey as a pilot.
It is absolute madness to me why the captains first instinct was NOT to pull back the controls to pitch up. I mean there is nothing more basic than that and he had to be told to do it by his co-pilot??? Very questionable indeed.
Because of the speed. Heavy airplane just after takeoff and the wrong flap settings had him confused from his mental picture. He wanted to likely keep the nose down to not stall in that configuration - was likely trying to go level flight. When you're behind the airplane - your basic instinct takes over on how to fly straight and level. This is where the airbus differed from boeing. He was int he predicament fro maybe 15-20s likely
A pilot's normal, almost instinctive, reaction to their aircraft going too fast is to pull the nose up, so I'm confused by the pilot's failure to do so.
I don't get it, either. Both pilots had the artificial horizon in front of them. I guess it's easier to explain logical problem solving than it is to explain royal fuckups. Everyone on that plane can be glad there were no clouds hanging low over the ocean.
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First the pilot let the plane drop 22000 feet without doing anything. What a fool he is Why accelerate if you don't even look at your attitude and tilt
Green dot is def the best aviation disaster chan. You have a knack for narration my friend. Your voice is perfect. Your videos are always so well structured as well! I have a request, wondering if it were possible to do a video on Pulkovo 612. The most chilling black box recording of all time in my opinion. It’s also a great video for you to add your commentary on how t-tail planes are subject to flat spins under certain conditions and how absolutely terrifyingly hard they are to recover from. Anyhow, thank you for another great video my man! Look forward to the next!
Your vids have taken on a whole new level of great storytelling. Thanks for all the hard work you’re putting into these highly entertaining vids. 👍🏻☮️✈️
Isn't a screw-up like this serious enough to warrant termination? Had the captain not revisited Boeing training before flying the 777 after flying Airbus for years? How did he not notice that the aircraft was pitched down and rapidly losing altitude when both instruments indicated this clearly? I wouldn't be comfortable with either of those guys if they were piloting a plane even after corrective training. The situational awareness strikes me as dangerously abysmal.
Idk, I kinda feel differently... Hindsight is always 20-20. We have to remember how fast everything went down, and how chaotic everything would be with the alarms and confusion. In the end, they were able to figure everything out and no one was hurt. If anything, id feel better knowing my pilot was able to work well under the pressure and figured things out. Alot of other tragedies had pilots that couldnt do the same But i can see why you wouldnt want him being your pilot lol 😂 better safe than sorry
As a pilot I completely agree. How you could not notice the nose of your aircraft dipping below the horizon when you are supposed to be in a climb is beyond me. You have one job as the pilot flying during a climb out. Do it and maintain a positive pitch attitude and climb rate.
Thanks for uploading this. I've watched a lot of aircraft disaster channels and documentaries and very rarely do we get to see the near misses. I imagine they happened far more often than the disasters and it's nice to watch one of these and not have anybody die.
Recently came across your channel and started to binge watch. You do a great job of visually showing what's going on and explaining the whole scenario. I would like to see you do a video on American Airlines flight 191.
My scariest encounter on a plane was on a United 737 MAX 8 on UA1371 IAH-SNA. As we were climbing out of Houston there was a small storm and the plane started shaking violently and dropped a few times. Thankfully it only dropped by like 50 feet and we made the climb to 37,000ft
Bad turbulence can cause a plane to descend a bit and that's why planes have to respect a distance limit between them in case a plane suddenly descends due to turbulence but its recoverable and it is normal
It's very important for these incidents to be addressed! What fascinates me about this one is how small little differences affect situational awareness!! Remarkable video once again 👌🏿👌🏿
@@kevinmalone3210 Not a pilot but if I work in an industry where a fuckup can cost lives and if I'm given an instruction I always run it back, likewise if I'm giving an instruction I get them to run it back. Takes 5-30 seconds and it just ensures everyone is on the exact same page I'd also expect it would be good procedure to do similar in a plate, eg: P: "Retract flaps to 5 degrees" CP: "Retracting flaps to 15 degrees" P: "Nono, 5 degrees" CP: "Ah my bad, retracting flaps to 5 degrees"
@@JohnTCampbell1986 Or even just look around. When I'm driving a car I'm checking the mirrors and speed on a rhythm, and I double check the gearbox is neutral before lifting off the clutch at a stop or starting the car, why can't a pilot that has thousands of hours more training than me glance at controls he just changed or commanded to be changed?
There’s a hell of a lot more going on in an airplane. They are maintaining airspeed, altitude, pitch, power, radios and complying with a departure procedure all while in this case getting rocked by turbulence. It would be more like driving 70 mph through narrow construction barricades in pouring rain with cars pulling in front of you. Your eyes would be focused on the task at hand and not tuning your radio.
@@briancurtis3648 It is definitely understandable that the Airbus pilot who was handling the radio put too much confidence into his more experienced co-pilot. Nonetheless, takeoff in these conditions should have been a two-man job, which I am assuming that ATC told them once they landed safely.
I just came across your channel like a week and a half ago and I’ve already watched almost every video! I love your delivery of content and your voice is super soothing lol. Thanks so much for the awesome videos and looking forward to the next!
I wonder if any passengers managed to record or take pictures of how close they got to the ocean?! Although I could imagine everyone was in panic mode at that point!
I bet they were busy praying or saying their final goodbyes. That's why they didn't record it because they thought they would die. Im happy everyone is safe
I love the passion and sound of terror in the tone of youth voice as you narrate the video. It just adds to the feel of the video. Great job. Frightening how close this was, and thanks to the quick actions on hearing the warnings, despite the initial incorrect flying.
Watching this video gave me intense chills! The title alone sets the tone for an adrenaline-pumping experience. The idea of a 'terrifying dive' on United Airlines 1722 is intriguing and slightly nerve-wracking. I can't wait to see how the situation unfolds and how the crew handles the challenges. Buckle up, it's going to be an intense ride! Thanks for sharing this thrilling adventure.
Wow you and Mentour Pilot just uploaded a video on the same incident like hours apart, I watched both :D Love the different styles and approaches you guys do to these stories
for me green dot easily wins out. the theme music (super nostalgic to the 80s/90s crime/noir vibe).... the more relaxed, yet punctual narrative... mentour to me is just too corpo. he's decent enough guy but way too polished.
Licensed pilot checking in here. It sounds like the pilot experienced what is known as a somatogravic illusion. You can google it for more details, but basically it means when the plane was accelerating there was a sensation of it pitching up, so his instincts were to relax his pull on the control column so as to not pitch up too much. Or possibly even push forward. Normally more attention should be paid to the primary flight display to closely monitor pitch and follow the instrument rather than instinct but apparently he got too distracted. Also flight training 101 includes the process of trimming the control forces to zero, even in a Boeing, so it becomes "pitch stable" even if you release the control column completely. It's a serious red flag to me if he didn't trim for the climb but was instead holding constant force on the controls to maintain the pitch. That sounds like a very dangerous way to fly especially with all those people on board. If he had trimmed for climb it would have taken an active push on the controls to lower the nose like that, not just a release of the controls. I am amazed they didn't report it at first. That is very negligent flying and the public should not be exposed to that kind of risk.
1:40 me thinking back to all the endless vids categorically stating that turbulence is absolutely nothing to worry about. 🤔 I knew I was right to be sceptical!
My 10yo daughter and I love watching your videos. They are extremely entertaining and educational. I love the extra research you make into these videos. My favorite segment from an episode was when you shared about the United 811 passenger premonition poem! I also loved the Quantas pilot interview. Keep up the great work! I also especially appreciate the fresh content that is focused on more recent incidents.
Excellent video, very well explained. It is worth noting that this same event has been covered by other You Tube channels, but none of them have been as well-researched and presented as this one. A big 'Thumbs Up' to Green Dot Aviation.
Thing is, all this drama from the plane beginning to go to Flaps 5 to pulling out of the dive, took only 10 seconds...for 10 seconds alone, less time to speak 2 sentences, the pilots lost awareness and regained it, but enough had already happebed. At 8000 fpm, they had just 15 seconds to hit the ocean. It didn't last nearly as long as it seems, but that was the 10 longest seconds of their loves. lives
I cant get enough of this channel its pire brilliance and knowledge. As a flight simmer myself i didnt know how much flaps play such a crucial component to flying
This channel is a breath of fresh air for my Aviation addiction. I am on the edge of my seat every video and I am so happy at the end instead of sad. I'm not sure if all your videos are happy endings but I hope so, I'ma find out after a binge.
It’s amazing to me that the pilots can be looking right at the instrument, notice the speed and pitch and not realize what is happening. I have ZERO flight experience and only messed around in MSFS a few times, and I know this.
i agree but as a ATC trainee, it's crazy how different your train of thought is when it's happening to you. simple instructions and simple words become almost impossible sometimes to get out of your mouth bc of the pressure of the situation. And that's just looking at the planes. i can imagine it's way harder to think when you're falling out of the sky and alarms are blaring and there's 100000 factors in play when it comes to controlling a plane of that size
If im a passenger i would like some of this information too so i can decide whether I want to board. Once i heard a previous flight had to make an emergency landing i would of stayed put
Hey Green dot i have a suggestion for your channel, i usually listen to your videos in the background as i’m doing something. i’m not sure how successful it would be but i think if you did an audio version of your videos for listening platforms i would listen to that consistently. like i said i don’t know how successful it would be or if it would be worthwhile for you but i thought it was worth a suggestion. anyways i really enjoy your videos i stumbled across them recently and i’ve been hooked to them and you sparked an interest i had for aviation i had forgotten about, keep up the good work man
CVR being overwritten after serious but non fatal incident is becoming a epidemic in commercial aviation. Some time it is a honest mistake but increasingly it is a deliberate action by pilots to save their skin. Pilots unions have also opposed recording cockpit conversion for entire length of flight, even though it'll help immensely in incident investigation.
Brilliantly narrated as always! Was just thinking, if i was one of those passengers watching your video🙈 That was the closest call ever, so tense😰😰There was absolutely no room for panic in that cockpit😱
From the last few months, I being watching all this amazing aviation stories, now this is my favorite channel of aviation, actually I learned a lot about planes ✈️…
The opposite actually. There’s so many layers of safety that result from these incidents and investigations that I don’t even really think about safety in any real sense when I fly.
The absolute terror of a plane in serious trouble is something I experienced. It's as bad as you think would be. Pure terror. Hearing people openly praying crying & screaming was awful. I was alone visiting friends in the USA. At one point, the plane was tilted backwards as we dropped 10,000 feet in seconds...ugh! When we finally landed ambulances & fire engines were all around. Had nightmares for years.
These videos make me feel safer as a flight attendant now for 9 years. Safety culture is so important and self reporting mistakes makes aviation one of the safest form of transportation.
uhhhhhhhhh WTF??!?! They were briefed before taking off that the weather was so bad an incoming plane almost crashed? That it lost control, and over 20 passengers were taken to the hospital? That they would have to prepare for low level wind shear maneuverers? AND UNITED STILL TOOK OFF?! I'd sue so hard. SO HARD. Absolutely reckless. Every single person in that plane should have been told all of this information beforehand and given the chance to make their own decision as to whether they'd risk their lives for an airplane ridel.
I think that's my biggest fear with flying; they don't give the passengers enough information. Like, I wanna know who's flying the plane, how many flight hours they have, both in total and on that specific plane model, I wanna know when the plane last had maintenance, how old the plane is, I wanna know what the weather conditions are, and so much more. I don't just wanna get on and go "welp, hope the pilots aren't drunk or anything!"
You knowing more about your pilots and the planes maintenance history won’t have any bearing on your safety. Flying airlines with historically high safety ratings is the best you can do.
Great job again. Man it don't matter how long you have been flying it's still down to training updates & great people. Well done by these pilots to eventually aviate, navigate & communicate. Thanks GD another perfect take off smooth flight & landing! 😎🇦🇺😎
@@AgentMulder1805 - didn’t have the right tools? Pitch + power = performance is one of the first lessons at PPL. This is aviation basics. Speed rapidly increasing. Pitch up. That’s how the autopilot does it. Nothing to do with training updates. It’s basic stick and rudder level flying abilities.
Wind shear and microbursts downdrafts can be deceptive. My aircraft , a Army UH-1 (Huey) helicopter,was giving us a smooth ride in IMC conditions. My student pilot had just intercepted the localizer and the glide slope for the ILS RWY 32 at DHN AL, and had adjusted power for a 500’ per minute descent. All was normal for the first couple of minutes and then the VSI started to subtilely twitch, then indicated an increase in descent from 500 fpm to 700 fpm. The change in rate of descent was imperceptible, except for its indication on the VSI. My SP made a power adjustment to recapture the glide slope but the VSI did not register a climb, rather continued show a more pronounced descent. I called DHN tower to request an immediate deviation off course to the west. My mental calculations convinced that at the present rate of descent, we’d end up a mile short of the TDZ. I had stopped the student’s power application at the aircraft’s max power setting and turned westbound, still descending. Then,suddenly, were jolted upwards. We had flown out of the downdraft at max power and had found clean air. That Huey wanted to climb, as if it knew the ground was closeby. I reported a microburst to DHN ATC and headed back to Cairns AAF. I have always paid closer attention to the VSI after this incident.
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@@definedasme Just pressing the like button and sharing the video goes a long way :) I'll always keep these videos 100% free for RUclips
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Did you and Mentour Pilot plan to upload videos on the same flight 4 hours apart?
wait wat@@ellaquin
Imagine being seated next to the window looking out and seeing the ocean rapidly coming towards you. That alone is frightening.
Most of us have the window shades closed after takeoff, cos of our inflight movies to avoid glare and keep the cabin dark. But yeah, it would be scary to see the ocean rapidly approaching if the window shades are open.
@@thatguyalex2835"most of us." You mean you. You aren't most of us.
I don't close the shade unless the sun is directly in my face. I'd much rather look out the window at the scenery, than some in flight movie lmao. At least at first.
I'd already be passed out, hopefully!
That would be enough to make me never get on a plane ever again hahaha
@@AngieW-ri6qxme too, I have to monitor constantly to make sure everything is ok 😅😂
I also help the pilots land the plane by getting all tense and praying for safe landing. Haha I am so scared of flying.
I’m loving the stories where everyone survives
Me too!
Make more of them!
@@GreenDotAviation Your narration skills are first class -I like your Irish accent coupled with your easy listening mellow voice - one funny thing though -to me at least (especially for aviation videos ),is the way you pronounce “column”-your Irish accent comes out as “collleeum”-a cross between cauliflower (or maybe Colosseum !)and column, Gosh I hope I haven’t made you self-conscious after that !, on a serious note you have a brilliant channel which does not sensationalise nor overdramatise the events and covers the technical aviation aspects well but remains gripping and riveting like a good drama❤
@@daftvader4218 I didn’t make a titanic reference?..
Without tragedy, there is no story.
We are living in a time where RUclips content creators are faster and accurate than National Geographic documentaries like air crash investigation.
Yes we are! I don't even have a tv subscription anymore. I got rid of tv channels years ago. Utube channels like this, are all i watch. We are getting truth and details we would never get from mainstream reporters.👏👏👏👏👏👏
cuz they need producers, directors, actors, etc
So true haha 🎉
It's because the National Geographic people also have to recreate some scenes which takes time. They also have to wait for the final report and interview some people.
I think this documentary was ended. No new air crash investigation seasons since 2020. :(
16:10 The windshield wipers trying their best to maintain the plane up in the air
Wow. I can’t believe this didn’t meet the required reporting criteria. I hope that changes. So important to learn from serious events like this.
It was reported to the NTSB and a inquiry/investigation was done.
Companies will always try to hide any negative thing that happens before they try to fix it that's just what they do because they're evil.
Another Government agency doing a cover up,
There is a voluntary reporting program that is widely used among US commercial airline employees for the purpose of risk management. The aircraft also reports data.
They didn't want the negative PR.
I believe this incident should have definitely been reported to the NTSB regardless of if the aircraft was damaged or if injury occurred. Even in Nursing, we report all incidents that are near misses, and I would definitely count this as a near miss.
It was reported to the NTSB and a inquiry/investigation was done.
@@surchris Months after the event, the incident was reported to the airline by the pilots. But the Airline did not report the incident to the NTSB and it only reached their attention after a third party saw the flight data on an aircraft tracking website and it got media attention.
We actually do as pilots. Theyre called ASAP Reports. It also protects pilots by not being punitive towards them and NASA /FAA and the airlines collect data and it gives very insightful data.
@@TwoPlusTwoEqualsFive32 And it still did not rise to the level of needing to be reported to the NTSB. Guess you don't know that....
Nope. Did not meet the criteria of needing to be reported to the NTSB. The crew did make out a report upon arrival at their destination.
18:08
If the pilot doesn't grasp by now that going full throttle with the control column dipped below the horizon line isn't a good idea, I'd say retraining should start back at making paper planes.
Ikr. Even I'd do the opposite
Not that easy once you're disoriented in IMC conditions. Your body lies to you - you wont be able to tell the left from up; you sometimes get fixated faced with multiple challenges. They had plenty on their plate - storms, windshear, IMC, unfamiliar settings. Unusual attitude recovery in IMC is no joke. I'd give them some credit for salvaging the situation. I dont know about 20k hour pilots but for a few hundred hour ones like us, we learn something new everytime in IMC. Practice practice practice!
@kimmccabe1422 save your ego... you can't say for certain what you'd do especially in that scenario. People like to believe they would but if pilots with ten thousand hours plus make mistakes then you can't say you'd do it better
Post Covid pilots, nobody’s safe until these pilots get another 10 years at least of experience flying commercial planes. Pilots and Boeing planes are trash, traveling is like a gamble now.
It was explained very clearly why he did that. he was used to the Airbus which would hold the pitch attitude after a stick input. he didn't notice the plane was dipping down because he was fixated on the airspeed and flaps.
One of your best, not just an accurate depiction of events but a fantastic dive into training and flying history that were likely the root cause of converting a minor mistake to a near catastrophe
Thank you! We put a lot of work into this one :)
This just taught me that the NTSB requires damage to the aircraft involved or an injury onboard to recieve a report. Great job on the video
Yea like most rules and regulations they are faulty and never work as intended. Whole aircraft full of passengers literally seconds from diving into the ocean and they don't think it needs to be reported.
@@xcalibertrekker6693 At what point would you suggest the NTSB get involved?
If they have to address every bump, they’d be overwhelmed. There needs to be some levels of safety that can be addressed by the company itself to alleviate NTSB involvement.
The company was told about the incident and gave the pilots more training. So this was taken care of in-house.
The crew could have stayed silent about the incident since no signs of this situation showed up till months later.
I don’t know about you but in my job, we don’t usually tell on ourselves cause we aren’t interested in getting in trouble based on the fact that our company stacks up minor issues that may happen, such as a boot coming undone. Enough of those in a year can get you 3 months on the street. So unless it’s obvious we usually stay quiet.
This crew may have said something cause they don’t know if the passengers will say something, thus getting the crew in double trouble cause of the incident and that they didn’t report it.
Maybe you can suggest a better system that covers every single problem. If you can I’m sure the NTSB would like to hear from you.
you're a bad student if that's your takeaway. that was DELTA'S policy, not the NTSB.
@@housemana doesnt matter
@nicholaskoa1371 you mean united's policy
Crazy that Boeing and Airbus do not have a unified pitch control scheme. I can't see how allowing pilots to switch aircraft isn't a bigger deal.
That's why crews go through hours of hours of type-rating training in order to be qualified to fly a type. All those time in the simulator and flying with a check airman are what is supposed to prevent this from happening.
Both have their advantages and disadvantages. It's also why there is type rating and training. You then fly the planes you are rated for. To switch, they would go for training and simulation training for that type. Even if you're going back to one you've done before.
@Pax6833 - Look at the history of aircraft disasters. Boeing is almost always the one to fail. Further, the last 3 most notorious "close calls" are all Boeing related. I feel MUCH safer when I am in an airbus. I am NOT a pilot, but to me, it sounds WAY more safe to have a pitch stable plane than an "idle" one. Who wants ANYTHING "idling" in a plane??? You need control so you can focus on other variables. Controlling too many variables is too ambitious. Again, NOT a pilot, just common sense.
@@lisaproustresearch Understandable. Boeing is usually a result of mechanical or maintenance issues. Airbus is usually due to over reliance on automation and flight control issues. Boeing gives a pilot more control to do what they need or want, forcing them to keep their knowledge in check and their skills in practice. Airbus by default won't let a pilot into an unsafe state unless something goes wrong, which can startle pilots unexpectedly, making the issue worse.
@@lisaproustresearchI fly a boeing but I’m an airbus guy at heart. Both are exceptional companies but with very different philosophies. Boeing gives more overall control and trust to us under any conditions whilst under normal conditions airbus trusts the systems more. Under normal conditions you could argue airbus is safer but the problem with airbus arises in non normal situations when it essentially turns into a boeing and not all airbus pilots keep their manual flying skills up to task.
Ha, and mentour pilot just uploaded this exact story earlier today. It’s a good day for aviation RUclips!
I was thinking I was going bonkers!
The Final Report just got released - you'll probably be seeing a few channels covering this over the next few weeks! ✈✈
A few are doing that
Confusing t def
@@Fluffy-Fluffysame!
"Mini Aircrash Investigations" dropped his video on this incident about a month ago😉
I love the music you use. Sorta ambient and quiet.
It never overpowers your voice or strains my patience
Feels like coming home
My uncle, aunt, nephew and niece were on this flight! They were on vacation. My uncle was sitting towards the back of the plane. He told me that the plane suddenly went up, dived and came like 900 feet from the ocean. He was in an aisle seat and when he was in a crash position he looked over out the windows and he swore they were going to dive into the ocean because he could see full ocean filling the window with no horizon also because of the weather.
He said it was nothing but screams and the smell of poo for a little bit. Afterwards i think the pilot said something like:
"Alright, you probably felt a couple G's but everything is ok."
Crazy thing is that even after they made it to San Francisco, after all that they had to fly back to Ohio.
Crazy flight for my niece and nephew since it was their first time flying.
Waw what a story !! Especially if it's your first time flying !! I bet they are traumatised !!
Cool story bro
Why poo?
@@ZeeZee9Shit scared 🤔
@@Prerana5100 😬😬
I watch a lot of these and I’m always sympathetic to the pilots because I understand how quickly confusion can set it. This one is really hard for me to understand. Why didn’t the captain simply look at his attitude indicator and react to it? His eyes were already right there looking at the speed tape, I assume. Interesting.
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Because the Airbus can turn you into a crap pilot. I recently went from a 737 to the A-320. Half the captains do not want you taking the auto throttles off. It’s silly. Any good pilot would have simply turned the auto thrust off, reduced thrust and trimmed the plane fir more pitch. This is incredibly difficult to understand.
@@dustyrhodes2717 well, that’s interesting to hear from an Airbus pilot. I was thinking there must have been some gap in my understanding. Thanks for the input.
Boeing planes still fly just like a Cessana, pitch, power and trim. They're traditional you might say. Airbus does a lot for you but you lose that hands on connection and some basic skills you learnt from those Cessanas.
@srinitaaigaura the difference between automatic transmission and stick shift in a car.
I was watching today's Mentour Pilot video when this notification came. It's about the same incident. What a coincidence
The final report just came out, I'd say you'll be seeing a few different channels covering this in the next few weeks! Enjoy ✈️
Makes it difficult to decide which one to watch first, but I think I'm going with this one.
@@kikastrayeah i was in the same situation lol😂😂
I saw that as well! I went worth green dot first 😅
@@kikastraGreen Dot is the reason I got into these types of videos so same
This video made me recall a landing at BDL in extremely thick fog. Completely unknown to us, we were getting lower and lower into the clouds, all the wile not knowing that we were entering ground fog as we came in. And then we landed. Usually, I watch out the window, seeing the ground get closer gradually, letting me know we were about to land. But this time, it was cloud, fog, landing. It was a bit startling to many of us. I had no feeling that the plane was getting lower, nor did i feel any change in direction. It all felt level and normal, and it even made me lose track of the time. That landing made me realize just how easy it is to lose all situational awareness.
i experienced the same thing when i landed in amsterdam. The fog was so thick i only say the airport/runway when plane was 50-100ft in the air
If I were in a plane that was nearly flown into the sea by a confused captain, I'd surely be suffering psychological damage, even if I were physically unhurt. Nearly dying does that to people. This definitely should have been reported to the NTSB.
It was reported to the NTSB and a inquiry/investigation was done.
It seems to me like the flight really should have just been delayed, flights had already been losing control due to wind shear from the storm.
Exactly
Agreed.
Can captains cancel or delay flights ?
@@joerizoz1125if a captain of an aircraft tells the airport that he/she can’t fly the plane safely in current conditions I don’t see why the flight wouldn’t be delayed tbh
Unfortunately airlines put a lot of pressure on everyone involved to be on time because of money. If air disasters didn't cost them money then they would not care about safety at all.
Wow! I can tell your production quality has improved compared to older videos. Love to see it.
Good work man! This one had me on the edge of my seat.
I'm glad you're seeing that! We're always trying to improve the videos
Is it possible to know the time between when the plane entered the dive, FO noticed the dive, and when the plane finally pulled up? If it’s a short amount of time it’s scary because they were seconds from disaster. If it’s a long amount of time it’s scary that nothing was down to resolve the problem sooner. Loved the video mate, keep ‘em coming.
It was mere seconds. This explainer video makes it seem stretched out, as it’s necessary to show how the situation developed. But this happened incredibly fast in real life.
According to Mentour Pilot's video, it was 10 seconds from when the captain looked away from his primary flight display until they pulled up again.
This was catastrophic negligence on the part of the PF and this man should no longer be flying. Aviate: this means know your height and flight angle if it means anything at all. Early onset dementia?
onemileat a time has a infograph of the flight. google "UA1722 incident"
@@daftvader4218 I checked some sources both channels listed and apparently there are both ATC transcripts and flightradar data to look at. The whole ordeal most definitely took no more than 45 seconds, which is stated in The Air Current's report, so while I didn't search every source, 10 seconds for the dive sounds plausible.
I definitely think there should be an added category to reports for these kinds of close calls. I'd class it as a high-risk safety incident - similar to those reported according to the Work Health Safety Act in Australia. It would definitely warrant an investigation into the cause, and subsequent actions taken to mitigate the risk so far as reasonably practicable.
The FAA regulations need updating for reporting incidents.
I used to do work on the roads and we had a reporting system called "near miss" that encompassed almost anything you can think of even if it wasn't a near miss.
@@JohnTCampbell1986 who cares chumpette?
I agree but problem is then there would be a colossal amount of near misses exposing that flying is not so safe after all.
Just watched Mentour Pilot's video about this very incident, then YT recommended me yours. You guys posted your vids just a few hours away from each other, pretty neat to have two slightly different (but equally well made and informative) reports about this close call 👍
Both were in my feed at the same time too. Look forward to watching them. These two are top aviation channels.
@@rainscratchthe best
don't sleep on disaster breakdown, too. @@rainscratch
Great recreation and telling of this incident. my grandfather was a piolet. I have flown a fair amount, but it still scares me, Not afraid of heights, just afraid of a mistake and crashing.
The fact they let this plane take off in the first place is mind boggling.
The aircraft is more than capable of handling that kind of weather, the danger came from the crews shocking lack of situational awareness.
This is a prime example of complacency and forgetting to scan the interments instead of getting tunnel vision and just focusing on one specific thing.
Lmao, did u even pay attention to what you watched?
Can’t believe the First Officer let the captain pitch down for so long! I was waiting for him to scream at the Captain to pull the nose up. Unreal.
??? This all happened within the span of 14 seconds per the final report.
its stretched out to give a specific account but in reality this all happened extremely quickly
this happened really really quick
It’s chilling to think that if this incident happened at night time, 100% the plane would have smashed into the sea. The pilots wouldn’t have seen clearly that they were heading into the sea if it was dark. Crazy scary thought!
You are right!! 700 feet from terrain is way too close! That is SCARY!
They were recovering in the heavy rain and clouds already, night would not have changed a thing..
@@surchris dude, when it is pitch black outside, it's not always easy to quickly see the difference from the black/dark sky, and the black sea, during daytime your eyesight can quickly pick this up. So that extra 5-10 or maybe even 30 seconds of not being able to pick up the sea, would mean the plane would have smashed into the sea.
I thought the same
@@surchrismany plane crashes in the sea are because pilots are normally spatially disoriented and they cannot visually see the sea, this incident the pilots were able to see a difference though
Crashes like gulf air 072 had everyone on board not even knowing they had died or the pilots knowing knowing had dove their airplane to the ocean
GDA representing Ireland, keep growing my friend. 1M incoming 🇮🇪
Go raibh maith agat! More videos coming 🚀🇮🇪
Best ever aviation accidents channel out there. Period. What I love most about this is how technical and right to the point the analysis are. I am a low time PPL, I find this an important part of my never ending learning and development journey as a pilot.
As a fellow PPL (student in my case) I’m delighted these are helping!
You are doing all this while still a student PPL!! I wonder what you will do when you become an airline Captain. @@GreenDotAviation
It is absolute madness to me why the captains first instinct was NOT to pull back the controls to pitch up. I mean there is nothing more basic than that and he had to be told to do it by his co-pilot??? Very questionable indeed.
Because of the speed. Heavy airplane just after takeoff and the wrong flap settings had him confused from his mental picture. He wanted to likely keep the nose down to not stall in that configuration - was likely trying to go level flight. When you're behind the airplane - your basic instinct takes over on how to fly straight and level. This is where the airbus differed from boeing. He was int he predicament fro maybe 15-20s likely
I totaly agree, they both need sacking on the spot though
@@MrXtachxthe problem was not a potential stall, the problem was having such speed with that flap position.. this one is on the captian for sure.
A pilot's normal, almost instinctive, reaction to their aircraft going too fast is to pull the nose up, so I'm confused by the pilot's failure to do so.
I don't get it, either. Both pilots had the artificial horizon in front of them. I guess it's easier to explain logical problem solving than it is to explain royal fuckups.
Everyone on that plane can be glad there were no clouds hanging low over the ocean.
@@daftvader4218The first step in overcoming your addiction to punctuation is to admit that you have a problem. Don’t be afraid to reach out to a professional who can help you develop healthy punctuation habits, and get you back on your feet. Best of luck to you.
First the pilot let the plane drop 22000 feet without doing anything.
What a fool he is
Why accelerate if you don't even look at your attitude and tilt
@@ChrisPerkins-i7h Because you were there, and know this person intimately? Only *a fool* would make such assumptions like that otherwise.
@@silverXnoisehe is a pilot ffs that should be his first instinct
17:15 passengers who were looking out their window at that time would have probably realised how close they came to disaster.
great video. your videos have taught me how much communication in the cockpit is essential to each flight.
100% There are two-person crews for a reason!
It's like a marriage. You both have to communicate and trust. Your kids in the cabin are counting on you.
Buddy your videos are incredible, impeccable in narrative, you're getting better and better mate, please never stop!
I won't! 🙏
Green dot is def the best aviation disaster chan. You have a knack for narration my friend. Your voice is perfect. Your videos are always so well structured as well! I have a request, wondering if it were possible to do a video on Pulkovo 612. The most chilling black box recording of all time in my opinion. It’s also a great video for you to add your commentary on how t-tail planes are subject to flat spins under certain conditions and how absolutely terrifyingly hard they are to recover from. Anyhow, thank you for another great video my man! Look forward to the next!
Much appreciated! I'm looking into this incident :)
@@GreenDotAviationYAAYY
@@GreenDotAviation no worries! You’ve earned it! Thank you very much brother!
@@GreenDotAviationI will be a subscriber
It's a great day when Green Dot uploads!!
Your vids have taken on a whole new level of great storytelling. Thanks for all the hard work you’re putting into these highly entertaining vids. 👍🏻☮️✈️
Isn't a screw-up like this serious enough to warrant termination? Had the captain not revisited Boeing training before flying the 777 after flying Airbus for years? How did he not notice that the aircraft was pitched down and rapidly losing altitude when both instruments indicated this clearly? I wouldn't be comfortable with either of those guys if they were piloting a plane even after corrective training. The situational awareness strikes me as dangerously abysmal.
Idk, I kinda feel differently... Hindsight is always 20-20. We have to remember how fast everything went down, and how chaotic everything would be with the alarms and confusion. In the end, they were able to figure everything out and no one was hurt. If anything, id feel better knowing my pilot was able to work well under the pressure and figured things out. Alot of other tragedies had pilots that couldnt do the same
But i can see why you wouldnt want him being your pilot lol 😂 better safe than sorry
@@chattycatty3336 Not acceptable. Competent pilots would not allow this to happen. He should have been fired.
As a pilot I completely agree. How you could not notice the nose of your aircraft dipping below the horizon when you are supposed to be in a climb is beyond me. You have one job as the pilot flying during a climb out. Do it and maintain a positive pitch attitude and climb rate.
Thanks for uploading this. I've watched a lot of aircraft disaster channels and documentaries and very rarely do we get to see the near misses. I imagine they happened far more often than the disasters and it's nice to watch one of these and not have anybody die.
Recently came across your channel and started to binge watch. You do a great job of visually showing what's going on and explaining the whole scenario.
I would like to see you do a video on American Airlines flight 191.
So glad they survived & are okay!🥹
Glad to see your channel constantly growing bud!
Personally I think this is the best aviation channel on here. 🏴👍
Thank you! Many more videos on the way 🚀
My scariest encounter on a plane was on a United 737 MAX 8 on UA1371 IAH-SNA. As we were climbing out of Houston there was a small storm and the plane started shaking violently and dropped a few times. Thankfully it only dropped by like 50 feet and we made the climb to 37,000ft
Yo, when was this? 😱
That's nothing
@@roughboy2956 Early September 2023 (won't tell exactly when)
@@electricpaper269 It means something worse than normal turbulence when on a 737 MAX
Bad turbulence can cause a plane to descend a bit and that's why planes have to respect a distance limit between them in case a plane suddenly descends due to turbulence but its recoverable and it is normal
What's make you unique from other Avi Ytber is your voice is so calm and soft,make for a very relaxing expirience
Amazing that they were able to pull out of the dive. Saving themselves and passengers.
It's very important for these incidents to be addressed! What fascinates me about this one is how small little differences affect situational awareness!!
Remarkable video once again 👌🏿👌🏿
All the captain had to do was double check what the flap positions were before changing his speed ...crazy how bad some of these mistakes are
You're right, but he trusted the co pilot to have the flaps in the correct position.
@@kevinmalone3210 Not a pilot but if I work in an industry where a fuckup can cost lives and if I'm given an instruction I always run it back, likewise if I'm giving an instruction I get them to run it back. Takes 5-30 seconds and it just ensures everyone is on the exact same page
I'd also expect it would be good procedure to do similar in a plate, eg:
P: "Retract flaps to 5 degrees"
CP: "Retracting flaps to 15 degrees"
P: "Nono, 5 degrees"
CP: "Ah my bad, retracting flaps to 5 degrees"
@@JohnTCampbell1986 Or even just look around. When I'm driving a car I'm checking the mirrors and speed on a rhythm, and I double check the gearbox is neutral before lifting off the clutch at a stop or starting the car, why can't a pilot that has thousands of hours more training than me glance at controls he just changed or commanded to be changed?
There’s a hell of a lot more going on in an airplane. They are maintaining airspeed, altitude, pitch, power, radios and complying with a departure procedure all while in this case getting rocked by turbulence.
It would be more like driving 70 mph through narrow construction barricades in pouring rain with cars pulling in front of you. Your eyes would be focused on the task at hand and not tuning your radio.
@@briancurtis3648 It is definitely understandable that the Airbus pilot who was handling the radio put too much confidence into his more experienced co-pilot. Nonetheless, takeoff in these conditions should have been a two-man job, which I am assuming that ATC told them once they landed safely.
Such an amazing story, I love your narration and your production quality has increased so much.
I just came across your channel like a week and a half ago and I’ve already watched almost every video! I love your delivery of content and your voice is super soothing lol. Thanks so much for the awesome videos and looking forward to the next!
Your graphics are so realistic and true to life. It's amazing!
I wonder if any passengers managed to record or take pictures of how close they got to the ocean?! Although I could imagine everyone was in panic mode at that point!
I’m sure they did. The guy said passengers had no idea what was happening. He’s never been a passenger on a plane if he thought that was true.
People be shttn their pants.
Probably too panicked to do anything, that or the fact that any and probably all luggage was flying around
I bet they were busy praying or saying their final goodbyes. That's why they didn't record it because they thought they would die. Im happy everyone is safe
I love the passion and sound of terror in the tone of youth voice as you narrate the video. It just adds to the feel of the video. Great job.
Frightening how close this was, and thanks to the quick actions on hearing the warnings, despite the initial incorrect flying.
Watching this video gave me intense chills! The title alone sets the tone for an adrenaline-pumping experience. The idea of a 'terrifying dive' on United Airlines 1722 is intriguing and slightly nerve-wracking. I can't wait to see how the situation unfolds and how the crew handles the challenges. Buckle up, it's going to be an intense ride! Thanks for sharing this thrilling adventure.
my social studies teacher was on that flight you were talking about at 1:45 and he suffered a concussion when his head hit the ceiling
I've heard of that incident
It required a quick call on that High tense situation like this. I bow down to that 1st officer for this crucial decision to save them all
You and Mentour Pilot posted videos about this same incident within hours of each other. Love both of your guy's content. Keep up the great work!!
you know it s a good day when green dot aviation posts a new video
A commercial plane shouldn't be below 5~10 degrees pitch down, an alarm indicating that would be a great addition
Wow you and Mentour Pilot just uploaded a video on the same incident like hours apart, I watched both :D Love the different styles and approaches you guys do to these stories
for me green dot easily wins out. the theme music (super nostalgic to the 80s/90s crime/noir vibe).... the more relaxed, yet punctual narrative... mentour to me is just too corpo. he's decent enough guy but way too polished.
These pilots should be fired. Additional training... meh
Discovered this guy on recommended during an actual flight. I now can’t stop watching his channel. Such quality and amazing videos!!😮
It could be, that Google knows what you do (because your mic may be secretly active), or it could be a coincidence.
@@nahrainmichael3601not only mic but even your search history
You're a great storyteller! This one had me on the edge of my seat!
Licensed pilot checking in here. It sounds like the pilot experienced what is known as a somatogravic illusion. You can google it for more details, but basically it means when the plane was accelerating there was a sensation of it pitching up, so his instincts were to relax his pull on the control column so as to not pitch up too much. Or possibly even push forward. Normally more attention should be paid to the primary flight display to closely monitor pitch and follow the instrument rather than instinct but apparently he got too distracted.
Also flight training 101 includes the process of trimming the control forces to zero, even in a Boeing, so it becomes "pitch stable" even if you release the control column completely. It's a serious red flag to me if he didn't trim for the climb but was instead holding constant force on the controls to maintain the pitch. That sounds like a very dangerous way to fly especially with all those people on board. If he had trimmed for climb it would have taken an active push on the controls to lower the nose like that, not just a release of the controls.
I am amazed they didn't report it at first. That is very negligent flying and the public should not be exposed to that kind of risk.
If I'd been a passenger on this plane I'd have been doing some reporting of my own , thank god they made it
1:40 me thinking back to all the endless vids categorically stating that turbulence is absolutely nothing to worry about. 🤔 I knew I was right to be sceptical!
My 10yo daughter and I love watching your videos. They are extremely entertaining and educational. I love the extra research you make into these videos. My favorite segment from an episode was when you shared about the United 811 passenger premonition poem! I also loved the Quantas pilot interview. Keep up the great work! I also especially appreciate the fresh content that is focused on more recent incidents.
Another greendot aviation production. You know it’s going it be a video with attention to detail. Fantastic production values.
Excellent video, very well explained. It is worth noting that this same event has been covered by other You Tube channels, but none of them have been as well-researched and presented as this one. A big 'Thumbs Up' to Green Dot Aviation.
Thanks so much, delighted you enjoyed the video! ✈️
I was flying the exact route a couple of years ago in a united airlines plane. Kinda terrifying what can go wrong.
Thing is, all this drama from the plane beginning to go to Flaps 5 to pulling out of the dive, took only 10 seconds...for 10 seconds alone, less time to speak 2 sentences, the pilots lost awareness and regained it, but enough had already happebed. At 8000 fpm, they had just 15 seconds to hit the ocean. It didn't last nearly as long as it seems, but that was the 10 longest seconds of their loves. lives
I cant get enough of this channel its pire brilliance and knowledge. As a flight simmer myself i didnt know how much flaps play such a crucial component to flying
I am quite amazed by the B777’s 2-5-2 seat configuration, which was used back in the days, but really not in 2022… still can’t believe it lol
This channel is a breath of fresh air for my Aviation addiction. I am on the edge of my seat every video and I am so happy at the end instead of sad. I'm not sure if all your videos are happy endings but I hope so, I'ma find out after a binge.
It’s amazing to me that the pilots can be looking right at the instrument, notice the speed and pitch and not realize what is happening. I have ZERO flight experience and only messed around in MSFS a few times, and I know this.
i agree but as a ATC trainee, it's crazy how different your train of thought is when it's happening to you. simple instructions and simple words become almost impossible sometimes to get out of your mouth bc of the pressure of the situation. And that's just looking at the planes. i can imagine it's way harder to think when you're falling out of the sky and alarms are blaring and there's 100000 factors in play when it comes to controlling a plane of that size
Perfect plane, perfect flight, in 10 secs almost dead because of a tiny flaps mistake. Shows how much responsibility pilots really have..
The episode is so gripping I wish many such incidents occur everywhere LoL without any injuries to anyone or damage to aircraft, of course :)
If im a passenger i would like some of this information too so i can decide whether I want to board. Once i heard a previous flight had to make an emergency landing i would of stayed put
If the First Officer simply repeated back what he thought the Captains flap setting was, the Captain could have corrected him straight away.
Fantastic content as always! This one had me biting my nails, i was so relieved everyone survived.
Agreed. Blood must be shed for the world to find it worthy of change
i just got off work and saw this uploaded 10mins ago oh my the excitement thanks
Hope you find it interesting! ✈️
@@GreenDotAviation it always is ... never doubted :D
Babe wake up green dot unloaded
Hey Green dot i have a suggestion for your channel, i usually listen to your videos in the background as i’m doing something. i’m not sure how successful it would be but i think if you did an audio version of your videos for listening platforms i would listen to that consistently. like i said i don’t know how successful it would be or if it would be worthwhile for you but i thought it was worth a suggestion. anyways i really enjoy your videos i stumbled across them recently and i’ve been hooked to them and you sparked an interest i had for aviation i had forgotten about, keep up the good work man
CVR being overwritten after serious but non fatal incident is becoming a epidemic in commercial aviation. Some time it is a honest mistake but increasingly it is a deliberate action by pilots to save their skin. Pilots unions have also opposed recording cockpit conversion for entire length of flight, even though it'll help immensely in incident investigation.
Brilliantly narrated as always! Was just thinking, if i was one of those passengers watching your video🙈 That was the closest call ever, so tense😰😰There was absolutely no room for panic in that cockpit😱
I watch other aviation channel but I like Green Dot best.
Really informative video! not only as a AVgeek but as a DXR. All that factors that go into a safe flight never cease to amaze me.
Near close call made me have goosebumps again! Keep it up man.
It was way too close. And yes, more videos on the way! :)
From the last few months, I being watching all this amazing aviation stories, now this is my favorite channel of aviation, actually I learned a lot about planes ✈️…
I love aviation but these give me a huge fear of flying lol anyone else?
The opposite actually. There’s so many layers of safety that result from these incidents and investigations that I don’t even really think about safety in any real sense when I fly.
The absolute terror of a plane in serious trouble is something I experienced. It's as bad as you think would be. Pure terror. Hearing people openly praying crying & screaming was awful. I was alone visiting friends in the USA. At one point, the plane was tilted backwards as we dropped 10,000 feet in seconds...ugh! When we finally landed ambulances & fire engines were all around. Had nightmares for years.
Dang. Did you ever find out what caused that to happen?
@josephayers7395 no but I wish I had.
My two favourite air incident channels showing the same incident within hours. Priceless!
These videos make me feel safer as a flight attendant now for 9 years. Safety culture is so important and self reporting mistakes makes aviation one of the safest form of transportation.
Absolutely love the comparison between the Boeing and Airbus methods. The topic of that has been ever growing in my head
These graphics are amazing. Well done! Thanks for sharing this cool content.
Crazy how much minor things can lead to permanent termination, but this just leads to additional training.
I’m loving your on-screen graphics. They just get better and better.
Thank you, that's what we're aiming for! 🚀
uhhhhhhhhh WTF??!?! They were briefed before taking off that the weather was so bad an incoming plane almost crashed? That it lost control, and over 20 passengers were taken to the hospital? That they would have to prepare for low level wind shear maneuverers? AND UNITED STILL TOOK OFF?! I'd sue so hard. SO HARD. Absolutely reckless. Every single person in that plane should have been told all of this information beforehand and given the chance to make their own decision as to whether they'd risk their lives for an airplane ridel.
I think that's my biggest fear with flying; they don't give the passengers enough information. Like, I wanna know who's flying the plane, how many flight hours they have, both in total and on that specific plane model, I wanna know when the plane last had maintenance, how old the plane is, I wanna know what the weather conditions are, and so much more. I don't just wanna get on and go "welp, hope the pilots aren't drunk or anything!"
You knowing more about your pilots and the planes maintenance history won’t have any bearing on your safety. Flying airlines with historically high safety ratings is the best you can do.
So don’t fly United?
Crazy that mentor pilot & yourself did the same one at same time. Both just as great as one another 🙂
Great job again. Man it don't matter how long you have been flying it's still down to training updates & great people. Well done by these pilots to eventually aviate, navigate & communicate. Thanks GD another perfect take off smooth flight & landing!
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They didn’t do much aviating at the start, which got them into this pickle.
@EdOeuna true. But training updates are the most important things & these guys didn't have the right tools! Cheers Ed! 👍🇦🇺👍
@@AgentMulder1805 - didn’t have the right tools? Pitch + power = performance is one of the first lessons at PPL. This is aviation basics. Speed rapidly increasing. Pitch up. That’s how the autopilot does it.
Nothing to do with training updates. It’s basic stick and rudder level flying abilities.
@daftvader4218 Thanks for the positive input although your CRM needs work!
@daftvader4218 sorry darling didn't mean to be so so serious. Sterile cockpit and all. Are you sure Ur OK sweetheart you seem rather angry. ♥️
Wind shear and microbursts downdrafts can be deceptive. My aircraft , a Army UH-1 (Huey) helicopter,was giving us a smooth ride in IMC conditions. My student pilot had just intercepted the localizer and the glide slope for the ILS RWY 32 at DHN AL, and had adjusted power for a 500’ per minute descent. All was normal for the first couple of minutes and then the VSI started to subtilely twitch, then indicated an increase in descent from 500 fpm to 700 fpm. The change in rate of descent was imperceptible, except for its indication on the VSI. My SP made a power adjustment to recapture the glide slope but the VSI did not register a climb, rather continued show a more pronounced descent. I called DHN tower to request an immediate deviation off course to the west. My mental calculations convinced that at the present rate of descent, we’d end up a mile short of the TDZ. I had stopped the student’s power application at the aircraft’s max power setting and turned westbound, still descending. Then,suddenly, were jolted upwards. We had flown out of the downdraft at max power and had found clean air. That Huey wanted to climb, as if it knew the ground was closeby. I reported a microburst to DHN ATC and headed back to Cairns AAF. I have always paid closer attention to the VSI after this incident.