747 in DANGER | The MYSTERY of the world's WORST mid-air collision
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November, 1996
Two planes carrying 349 people speed towards each other in the evening skies above Delhi.
In one of those planes, five pilots sit at the controls, making preparations to land. In the other, three pilots are climbing along their departure route.
An air traffic controller sits at the top of a tower, watching two blips on his screen draw closer together.
What do these things have in common?
The people immediately in charge of the outcome, those sitting in the pointy ends of these structures, also sit at the pointy end of a vast and complex infrastructure which undergirds their actions.
Aerospace technology, air law, aircraft design philosophy, and political and historical contingencies. All of these systems and infrastructures make up the foundations for the pyramid of aviation safety, on top of which pilots, and air traffic controllers sit. What you’re about to see, is the shocking story of what happens when the foundations of this pyramid, are rotten.
This is the story of the 1996 Charkhi Dadri Mid-air collision.
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Didn’t they not follow the T cass warning ? Or not this incident
India was also the first country to ban Tic Toc. 👍
Your productions are always so detailed in their execution and research.
This, as it happened in India, holds secial interest.
And it was good to see your team get to the finer nitty-gritties of getting the animations right.
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Of-course you stopped of being too critical on the way the investigations or the half hearted final report went.
But frankly, your viewers can always take.. and rather look forward to your critique.
good morning I HAVE BEEN ASKING THIS TYSSSM
+ im arabian
I was fully expecting the controller to have made a mistake when his working conditions were described. I'm amazed one person could juggle all those flights on limited information and still do their job properly.
these people really work hard in their jobs, but unfortunately change and upgrade only happen after tragedy
Controller seemed efficient and professional in this account. But I agree with your initial hunch. I had the same.
@@rishabagarwal3628yeah sadly, with many things people are pushed to their limits until something bad happens and then the people in charge realise efficiency should not always be the ultimate goal
I felt so bad for the controller when I first heard of this accident. He did everything right and managed the situation beautifully, but in the end it was all out of his hands.
As soon as they quickly cleared him of any wrong doing, controller VK Dutta went straight back to work in the air traffic control tower; he had a family for which to provide.
A truly tragic incident. Simulations would later show that, had the Kazakh crew realized their error a few seconds AFTER they actually did, the incident could have been avoided. They had gotten so low that they would have flown under the Saudi jet. RIP.
imagine if it didn't happen though, Delhi or any other place would have to witness yet another mid air collision to install proper atc equipment and tcas
@@crypton7572 apparently better radar equipment had been purchased and were in the airport, but not installed prior to the accident.
@@crypton7572 With such a narrow air space for incoming and outgoing aircraft with no one way system its a wonder to me why Delhi airport authorities didn't space planes laterally as well as the normal vertical spacing to increase the safety of what was a dangerous and congested airspace especially considering some of their traffic had no altimeter readouts.
If they hadn't realized their error AT ALL everyone on board both planes would have been alive..Until another flight / Russian Rulette New Delhi approach & take off incidence and history would have just been delayed. RIP and Thank God all aftermath measures were taken - It was just unlucky that this collision occurred between big planes / heavy traffic with plenty of passengers - it could have been with much smaller planes with far less passengers or between cargo's.
@@chatteyj reseaechd on this crash a bit and I just found out that from articles dating from 1996or before, there have been TONS of near misses in that narrow airspace, this accident was BOUND to happen, the Kazakh pilots are the scapegoat, the real blame are the authorities in this crash
There's a phrase in various areas of regulation: "The rules are written in blood."
It's unfortunate that more industries aren't equipped with the foresight needed to put in place practices like this before they happen
@@naturalcreature6317 yeh, cuz it costs money, so unless it isn't required, they won't do it
Improvement cost vs death payouts cost.
That’s like saying it’s unfortunate humans are human.
@@animula6908 foresight fixes more issues than just workplace safety ones.
And human beings can be reckless, negligent, impulsive, ignorant, and otherwise problematic which creates the need for pretty much all laws we have. If human beings didn't create issues, other humans wouldn't need to put restrictions in place.
This incident brings back old memories. I was meant to be on the Kazakh flight with my family but we had postponed our flight to Delhi a week later a few days before the incident. Back then flights from Almaty to Delhi were only running weekly. Counting my blessings since then.
Wow.
Wow, glad you are okay. Live a good life.
insane
Hamdulilah
Good times.
I've seen this unfortunate incident ... the worst mid air crash. I was around 6 yo, and was playing on the terrace when I saw huge flames touching the skies towards the right, a few miles away. It was like a burning hell. As a kid, I was scared. Next morning, it was all over tv and people were rushing towards the spot. Irony is, how living people turn into just non-living beings in just moments, and with them, burn their hopes and dreams!!
How horrible, what a sight that must have been.
Oh my goodness, that must have been so traumatic and I am sure you are still living with the results. What we need t remember s that our lives are short an we only have one. Let us please God make the most of it. All blessings to you xx
When I was 16, (6 days from my 17 birthday). I was standing outside talking to my mom. Sept 9, 1969, a DC-9, collided in mid-air with a Piper PA-28 light aircraft near Fairland, Indiana. We saw it in the sky but wasn’t sure what was happening, but the air filled with a horrible smell. It burned my eyes & nose. The fuel from the plane. It was horrible but it didn’t affect me like the sight of the mangled piece of plane on a flat bed truck that drove past our school a few days later. There were two giant trucks with the sun glistening off the silver parts of the plane. That sight is burned in my memory. Our home room class silently stood and walked to the windows. No one spoke. After we could no longer see it we sat down. No one spoke, I had to fight the tears. I’m not sure but I think over 70 people died. And crash was in a field right next to a mobile home park. The kids saw it! It was horrible.
@@timopheliac18 dont be a D, Tim. You did get what he was trying to say. Not everyone's native language is English.
The consciousness, eh?
The Saudi plane went on the radio and asked god to forgive everyone for what had happened.
It is, in effect, him saying he did not blame anyone.
I am not a religious person, but it has brought a tear to my eye. He did not have to transmit this, yet he thought to do so.
May everyone involved in this accident rest in peace.
I started watching this and my dad (who has been in all 3 positions of the 747-200, and in the area this incident occurred in) overheard and got sucked in and was impressed by the quality of the video and that he’d never heard of this incident. (The same goes for me but I know your videos are always top notch- they are much appreciated! )
Glad he got something out of it!
Which airline was your dad with?
@@joelc9439 Bum-bum Airlines.
@@Randy.Bobandyso funny!! (Not)
@@Randy.Bobandy God!
My grandpa worked in the hospital near this crash and he still describes this day as one his most horrifying days at work.
Noone even needed the hospital
@@andrewjennings7306 you do realise there's identification process of the remains of people...
@@andrewjennings7306Wow when did you drop your brain?
@@humayrafaizah1428 I'm saying it's sad that the hospital couldn't help because they all died
No one is two words!@@andrewjennings7306
The research and the amount of time this guy puts into his videos is crazy. He deserves more subs!!
Thank you :)
Definitely agree.
I concur
Im sure they will come definitely has potential to be a huge channel
Absolutely agree
So incredibly heartbreaking that the last transmission was the Saudi pilot praying. Imagine their final moments.
similar to italy and tenerife pilots, no mistake
Tell me about it. 😰😰 Ached me to hear him read his Shahadat. Can't even begin to imagine what those poor people went through.
@@humayrafaizah1428but SubhanAllah, it really brought a tear to my eyes as to how beautifully yet sorrowfully he remembered Allah in his last few moments. May Allah grant us all beautiful endings like this and Aso give all the believers who died in the process Jannatul Ferdous
I was an air traffic controller in the army for 6 years. I love this channel but I can never make it threw a video without a break because they just give me so much anxiety. These videos are the thoughts that kept me awake at night.
Man, don't do that to yourself!
My dad did air traffic control and he said it was some of the most stressful stuff he’s ever experienced. And this man was married to my “mother,” so, that’s saying something.
Edit: in the Air Force I mean, he did air traffic control
It's absolutely crazy to me that in 1996 a plane would need 5 people flying it o.o
Il-76 is absolute relic of past, even when USSR was still around. And it is still used to this day...
Welcome to Soviet aviation: where the plane is as expendable is a bus and there’s no automation.
i took a flight from SFO to MNL, there were 5 people in the cockpit of a 777-300ER
Well this depends on the quality of the infrastructure and the flight length. You can still see pilots having issues in Africa today, where the infrastructure is pretty poor. No radar, sometimes no radio contact for half an hour and if GPS would fail they would have to rely on pretty spotty radio beacon navigation points.
But that would have likely been due to long flight time@@theghostoftravel
As a Saudi, I’ve heard my parents and relatives talks about this accident many times and describe how bad it is, I remembered later this day and wondered how it happened, never thought it was this bad. Thank you for the detailed information, and may Allah(God) have mercy on their souls
ameen
الله یرحمهم
الله يرحم موتى المسلمين
I like how the Saudi Arabian pilot uttered the Shahada towards his demise. May Allah grant him and all those who died Jannah.
@@mohamedabdi1802Ameen
shoutout to the atc guy that held down that airspace solo
With no proper information as well.
The writing and narration in your videos are genuinely amazing. Keep up the good work
Thanks! Glad you liked this one
@@GreenDotAviation absolutely love ur stuff mate
@@JokeswithMitochondria ue username made me cIick on ur profiIe. Ur channeI is a hidden gem bro
I'm new to your channel and 100% agree! Thank you
There’s an interview of one of the ATC controllers from Delhi from that time where he’s talking about how flights from ex Soviet (then CIS) countries regularly used to fly higher or lower than the assigned altitude, this crash was a ticking time bomb.
Got a link?
@@thetej1098 this channel doesn’t allow you to post links but search “Charkhi Dadri mid-air collision wildfilms India” it’s a 4 min news clip speculating about the reasons behind the crash.
@ad_2211 That's the Indian perspective trying to put the blame on Soviet aircraft. That's washing their hands clean free of guilt. That's what you call BIAS.
@@bluejay7232information is available all over the internet the blackbox confirms the fault of pilots . Imagine blaming USA for 9/11
@@bluejay7232 this bias is always going to be there, no one ever takes the blame. but at least we learn from this
Your episode answers so many questions that were largely left unanswered by the commercial video made about this disaster.
I'm glad! I always try to add some extra details to these videos
One thing you didn’t mention in this video:
There was a 3rd aircraft in the airspace at the time of the accident - a US Air Force plane, commanded by Captain Timothy J Place, approaching New Delhi.
Captain Place would later testify that he saw “an orange glow” in a cloud, and two fireballs fell out from the cloud.
Another thing you forgot to mention:
It was later determined that, had the Kazakh crew NOT attempted to climb back to 15k feet, they would have slipped below the Saudi aircraft.
Wow, tragic.
WOULD ANYONE BELIEVE A WAR MONGORING AMERICAN ?
It was the fault of the Kazakhs because they did not speak English and did not adhere to the instructions of the air traffic controller. Unlike the giant Saudi plane, Boeing 747, they were well trained and adhered to the instructions of the air traffic controller.
if the kazakh plane didn't climb they will get caught in the wake turbulence and will make the plane uncontrollable and probably going to crash, which is a slightly better outcome than getting both plane crash into each other
@@reinfieldsyou don't know that in the slightest. Stop playing arm chair pilot.
any crash involving a 747 is always sad because of how many people are onboard, especially if no one survived the crash, ATC and the Saudi crew did everything right, ATC instructed the planes to fly with 1,000ft seperation, the Saudi crew stayed at 14,000 as instructed but the other crew kept descending, only stopping just before colliding, had they continued they would have passed each other
It was an accident waiting to happen. Having such corridor where traffic has to be this close.
@@allnighter2011Actually the 1996 wasn't a good year cause both Indian and Pakistani in a tense situation, both Pakistan and India had tested nukes in previous year and military build up where camouflage to hide the underground nuclear test that lead them to make a narrow pass like that
@@kiyotakaaynokoji9387 This is interesting information. I was led to believe by this video that the narrow pass was always the practice, but are you saying it was something that was introduced temporary in a time of military tension with Pakistan?
1000km is not enough separation. ATC could have also put them on different flight paths and asked them to distance themselves laterally too.
@@sphenoidjjj1k ft is the minimum and is acceptable.
Why they didn't separate laterally who knows, but it's standard to fly on a single corridor line so who knows.
As an Indian born just about a month before this incident took place, I was always told that it was the fault of the kazakh aircraft. I didn't know that our aviation infrastructure was so bad back then. These days the infrastructure has changed a lot, and are still improving. Thank you for covering this case. Take love. ❤
Sadly, in our part of the world, things remain stagnant, change is resisted, and new technologies are not adopted unless they are guaranteeing a monetary return. It eventually requires serious incident like this to set things in motion.
It was thr clear fault of Kazak Aircraft...
Do you really feel the west will be unbiased towards India?
Dont be brainwashed...
@@n3ov there is no "in our part of the world" here. Every rule and regulation all over the world is written in blood, do you think these crashes due to poor infra happened only in eastern part of the world?
The plane from Kazakhstan was also had very ancient tech, it was not only old tech of Indian ATC which caused the collision.
@@debetrolence1991 No. But they are a hell of a lot more common in that part of the world BECAUSE of the outdated and old infrastructure that's kept due to government bean counter choices, ineptitude, and outright corruption. All things that occur in the first world to varying degrees but seem to statistically happen a lot more in 2nd to 3rd world.
It seems crazy that they would have one way in and out . I'm more surprised it took so long for a collision to occur I would think they would use at least 3000 ft separation with such outdated equipment
Virtually all the lessons in aviation were learnt only when someone dies, maybe all the important lessons in human history.
In this air space lateral separation as well as the normal vertical should have been implemented I reckon. (To give a one way system) Having planes cross vertical airspace whilst hurtling towards each other at 1000km/h is just asking for trouble I think.
Hueginvieny; This is exactly what I was thinking as I watched this video. Early in my career I worked in the aviation industry and while I was not a controller, I worked with and for the controllers keeping their electronic equipment working properly. This gives me perhaps a better than average view into their work. I wonder if there was any reason the controller could not hold the Saudi aircraft at FL 100 (10,000 Ft.) for an additional minute or two and only clear them to FL 140 after they had passed under the Kazakh aircraft. If I was in the controller's place in such an undesirable airspace situation I would do all I could to arrange 3K or 5K ft of separation if I possibly could!
I was not aware of this horrific incident. Magnificently produced and meticulously narrated and described as always! Thank you
So terrifying it happened above Delhi! I personally feel remorseful to everyone involved in this crash Especially in the former small Military and Civilian spaces which was really inappropriate for India. RIP 349 people of these two flights. Great video as always!
The consistency and quality is amazing, love your videos man
Thank you!
I watched a live feed of this channel once and was shocked at how young the narrator is. His intelligence and gravitas is superb. He completely blows away anything you'd get on the TV
@@truck5050I watched the Sunday livestream and it was so good, the narrator is literally an aviation expert
Air traffic controllers work under so much pressure and responsibilities...kudos!!
I just finished binge watching all your videos (took me a almost week) but I can say with certainty that you have embarked in one crazy journey to become one of the best air disaster channels that ever existed in YT. As long as I have an internet connection Im pretty sure Ill be here to watch the vids for years to come.
This has to be up there with the best channels on RUclips. Your narration is always spot on and never fails to spark emotions. Great job man!
I am absolutely petrified of flying, these videos do not help but they are so addicting!
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@@silvermainecoons3269 I aspire to have your confidence
I like how the commentary is straight to the point. Some other well know channels waffle on for far too long to the point I end up switching it off and now don't bother with their videos.
Your content is genuinely so good. Me and my boyfriend binge watched all of your videos in the span of like, 3 days. Very well thought out, organized, and honestly I don’t know why you’re not THE channel of airplane documentaries on RUclips yet tbh. Good stuff
Another absolutely stellar documentary. The detail you went into about the origins of these passengers and what was going on in many of their daily lives brought a whole new angle to this story I've never heard, making it feel all the more harrowing, personal and emotional. You completely nailed it once again dude!
I have to say, the quality of your writing is what sets you apart from other RUclipsrs. The level of research is certainly up there, but I really appreciate your ability to write (and read) a script that is fluid and captivating, and you don't add unnecessary drama or exaggerate anything
Also, I like how you actually made an effort to pronounce the crew's full names properly. Most people wouldn't attempt it and would just stick to a first name or captain (initial)
Much appreciated :)
So very wisely put when you mentioned the crew not working together and that "not my problem" should NEVER be an issue! A team is just that, a team. Working together for a successful outcome. Great video! Thank you!! ❤
These videos are just so well made, you obviously put a lot of time and effort into researching for and making them, and you are such a good narrator, I was on the edge of my seat for the whole thing and I just had to know what was about to happen
“La ilaha illal-lah” that hurt man, the last words of a Muslim. May he rest in Jannah and so will his family.
Facts
Ive been watching this channel for years and its been getting soo much better!
AND THANK YOU for showing the face (also known as the HUMAN) behind the show. I appreciate that there's someone behind the microphone who researches and works out to the best of his (and/or her) ability the details to get this great content together for us, the audience... rather than there being an AI that copy-pastes someone's work in various forms and just spits out new content over and over...
SO thanks for being you. I know this doesn't sound like much of a big deal, but it is. Keep doing what you do. ;o)
This was excellent. I was aware of this accident but I have never heard such a detailed analysis of what went wrong to cause it. Thanks for another outstanding presentation.
Glad you got something out of it!
Wow! I’ve been watching your videos for a while and they’ve all been excellent. This one however just blew me away. The production values, the narration and most importantly how you steadily ratcheted up the tension without sensationalising anything. Incredible story telling.
Impressive as always! Easily in my top five aircraft-anything-related channels!
A reinforcing "I second that motion" to all the previous comments, aka compliments!
Stunned that this didn't occur more frequently, so kudos to previous ATC teams. And a relatively new Russian a/c being technically behind the times, no revelation there.
But I have to give 👍 to India for mandating TCAS & fixing other shortcomings relative to a Delhi approach.
You grease the wheel that squeaks the loudest, and ATC needs to always be that wheel! Lives depend on it always be heard.
Great job with the analysis and production, you continue to be refreshing to watch - even if I've already seen the event. You're #1 in my book!
Appreciate the kind words 🙏
You and mentour pilot are the best aviation accident youtubers, keep up the good work!
It's obvious that you put a lot of effort into producing your videos. The results are always excellent. Well researched and well presented. Thank you.
Tragic case - but another excellent video from Green Dot - well done and thanks for your work. Greetings from Sydney Australia.
Amazing narration and attention to detail as always! Imo you’re the best aviation channel on RUclips and I can’t wait to see all your future videos!
Thank you! Many more videos on the way ✈✈
The quality of your videos are unmatched. I've seen a lot of aviation channels, none of them come close to what you got.
I love you how you add tons of visuals that help recreate the whole incident. Keep up this style of videos, it'll get you far. I subbed when you had around 83k subs, i'm so happy to see your channel growing to what it is now.
Great video, some of the best quality out there! Keep up the good work
Watched 6 of your videos today each one very well detailed and very well explained on each situation pilots faced. Keep up the fantastic work!
Thanks, that's the plan! Glad you're enjoying them :)
Absolutely love this channel, I've watched every single video you've put out now! The emphasis on the technical side and the human side of accidents always seems so genuine, objective, and empathetic to the people dealing with these emergencies that I very rarely feel blame towards any one person. you always clarify it was a series of issues, and the whole of the situation that caused the incident. I think a lot of disaster documentaries can get very blame oriented and kinda try to get you to feel angry at the people involved, I've only felt that once here with that guy who decided a radio station was a fine navigation tool and forgot about where the sun was supposed to be 😭 Also the only channel i've seen to cover near misses and non lethal accidents which are such victory stories. The listing of changes recommended and implemented is such a nice ending to the videos, it makes you feel like it wasn't all for nothing and good rules were put in place to prevent similar accidents. great work as always man i can't wait to see what you're able to do with a VFXs employee!!
Thank you! We pour a lot of work into these so I'm glad that it pays off :) I'm really looking forward to having a dedicated VFX person too 😎
@@GreenDotAviation If you don’t mind me asking, what is VFX?
@@silvermainecoons3269 Visual Effects (Fx) ! i believe the current videos use a flight sim to show off the inside of the plane and standard editing to add effects like highlighting buttons in the cockpit and smoke effects where relevant, a dedicated visual effects person would have the technical know-how and time to make more complicated edits!
That intro was poetic. Your videos keep getting more incredible. Keep up the awesome work man. I love getting to watch these, and oddly enough my puppy loves them too 😂
You’re right, the introduction was very creative. I loved the pyramid metaphor. My cat likes to watch aviation videos too, she loves the animation! It’s kind of funny, I can never predict which videos captivate her and which ones she couldn’t care less about. 😂😂
I think this has become my favourite RUclips channel. Amazing content and so professionally and compassionately done 👍
I can't help but wonder if Delhi would still be just one dude in the tower fighting to keep aeroplanes apart if it hadn't have been for this terrible event.
Thank you for a brilliant and dare-I-say, harrowing presentation.
One could say that about pretty much all of aviation. The rules and safety manuals and checklists are written in blood. Right now Delhi is set to have 2 of the largest airports in Asia. But less than 30 years ago it was a very different story.
I remember reading about this accident when I was in a kid in school. Can't forget one line in the papers that said something like the sky lit up and a huge ball of fire came crashing down into a field.
Money usually isn't spent proactively, more's the pity.
If not for this it would be silly for them to hire a second guy. The first guy was doing fabulous under the circumstances.
@@animula6908
So, ATCs are critical safety personnel.
...If any given critical safety personnel have too high a workload, we should **never** hire more people.
Instead, we need to wait until the inevitable happens and people 💀⚰️🪦 because the overworked critical safety personnel make a mistake.
The deceased people will be our indicator that we need to hire more critical safety personnel.
Is this the argument you really wanted to go with?
I’m a retired US MD, and I don’t know “Captain Green Dot,” (made up only with great respect, sir) the channel owner’s name, but I discovered your videos a few months ago as I enjoy aviation, SCUBA diving and other nonfiction videos. A favorite 1st cousin of mine was a Senior Captain and Flight Instructor for American. There are many flight video channels on YT, but I’m especially drawn to yours which I often find to be the best. Thank you so much for your fine work, and please carry on with many more. If you’re officially not a Captain yet, I gather you soon will be. All the best, Dr. J
I got the gooses when I heard the saudi pilot say the shahada
Yess SubhanAllah!! It was so sad yet so beautiful at the same time! How amazing were his last words! Made me cry to be honest 🥺 May Allah grant him and all the other Muslims who died Jannatul Ferdous
Your audio's production value has risen dramatically since the last time I visited your channel. Well done!
Great video rendering - love the bokeh and diffraction spikes from lights in the background :D
Great video! What a horrifying accident this was, and the haunting last words of the Saudi pilots are so chilling.
Hardest thing for him in this video was pronouncing those names,yet he delivered.Nice job as always grat video!.
Binging your videos. Great work & totally enthralling situations. May all of those lost in aviation accidents rest in peace.
you're the best aviation youtuber on RUclips right now, I always get excited when you upload a new video !
Harrowing, it always upsets me hearing about aviation tragedies, but fantastic recounting as always. I feel particularly sad for the air traffic controller in this instance. They did everything right and everything they could, I just hope they didn't have blame shifted onto them, and that they didn't feel any personal responsibility for the incident 😭
Your videos are very detailed and so well explained👍
Glad you appreciate the detail
I played your entire playlist yesterday and just now saw you covered an incident in my own home country . Woah! 😀
Great work. You get better with every release!
I like how the Saudi Arabian pilot uttered the Shahada before his demise. For those who are not familiar shahada is a declaration of faith just before death. May Allah grant him and all the crew Jannah.
May Allah grant him Jannah ❤
Ameen
Ameen.
A religious person belonging to any faith would have remembered his God.
Ameen
I litterally forgot about this crash, thanks a lot for making a more detailed version than ACI!
Welcome!
keep em coming, love your content... can never get enough of it.
Thank you! More on the way :)
Awesome Video, well done!
I understand the nature of the military airspace around the airport but surely controllers had room to even just slightly offset the headings of incoming and outgoing planes?
That's what I thought as well. I'm unaware of the minimum horizontal distance required between aircraft back in the day, but surely you could fit them through in 2 separate paths?
I thought that too outbound left inbound left as they both see it, wouldnt have taken a genius to do that
That's apparently what they started doing afterwards, so yes.
You can't blame ATC, tho, not having that is a structural failure and lack of safety culture. The controller just pulled the short straw and was the one on duty when the inevitable happened.
@@screetchycello Not necessarily blaming ATC, just couldn't think of why they wouldn't add another degree of separation even in the relatively confined space. But thinking about it a bit more I realized that because of the old radar they had it was probably not possible to reliably vector the planes on parallel paths. They only had the two beacons to reference otherwise and vertical separation was the only realistic guarantee assuming the pilots played along. I do agree that this was inevitable though, its a shame so much positive change must come at so high a cost.
Maybe its because of traffic?
you should have more subscribers my dude, this was great work
Thanks for highlighting another tragic incident, I'd actually never heard of this one.
My dad sat in the lower deck as a navigator at the start of his career. He LOVED that position.
the sound of the Saudi pilot before the accident is chilling
Outstanding report. You kept it interesting and informative while clearly laying out the scenario. Thank you.
Another exceptional video. The amount of hard work and details you put up in your content is amazing. Keep doing what you do. ❤
Watching this at my boarding gate, cheers!
Great writing, I love the pyramid metaphor. I always enjoy your videos. There’s no cheesy re-enactments, and you always get right to the point. Older disaster documentaries always had to fill out each episode to an hour so they always added extraneous padding that was unnecessary and often boring. Your narration is very good too, clear and concise. I know nothing about aviation, you do a great job of making even the most complex topics easy to understand. Green Dot is my new go-to channel for aviation. Thank you! 😊
Your documentaries are brilliant. I hadn't heard of this accident and your way of reporting it is very sympathetic to all the poor folk involved . Thankyou for posting
Superb video/production. Well done and thank you for your work.
Hits different when you hear the poor dude praying
Yeah it really is 😭
Huge respect for producing all the airline videos, In such high quality. Thank you very much Sir. Please keep producing these videos.
if i dont see this channel reach 300k by the end of this year im gonna throw a fit u deserve way more subscribers
Hey Green Dot aviation! Are you Irish by any chance? If so, so am I! Been watching your videos since 25k subs! Never gets me bored! I saw your post and I am also an editor, and record real planes at my local airport. I will fill out the form as i am interested! Keep up the effort
As a person born in kazakhstan, i can confirm that people here do not know english very much which was a huge negative in the kazakh plane, what a tragic incident.
Wow, you built the tension so well. This is better than any documentary
Always love the intro to your videos. Great production guys.
Glad you liked it 🙏
I think in general, mid-air collisions as a threat aren't talked about enough.
I'd consider myself as a bit of a nerd when it comes to air crashes in general and I have literally never heard of this, despite of its status as both the most deadly collision as well as one of the most deadly accidents in general.
The only mid-air collisions I was familiar with were the Überlingen crash and the American Airlines 718 one.
One sentence in regards to collisions that has always stuck with me and I believe it is from the German version of the Mayday episode about the Tenerife collision, said something along the lines of that it is telling that we have been pushing for bigger planes with more passengers for decades, without once considering what would happen if they'd come together and how that speaks for the fact that the human mind can ignore potential risks and dangers of one's actions, if only the benefits are big enough.
Love, your videos man, what can I say.
For years now I have been looking for a RUclips channel which doesn't just create a bad copy of all the Mayday episodes and I have watched through your whole channel over the last week or 2.
Your selection of topics is amazing and has shown me many incidents (like this one) that I was previously unaware of and even if you cover a topic that has been done by Mayday before, you always manage to put a new spin on it and to deliver an exciting video, even if the topic isn't new to the viewer.
For example with SA295 you went into detail about the political climate in South Africa and how pilots were more or less forced to put their passengers at risk, as well as how the specifics of the cargo impacted the decisionmaking of the pilot.
Glad you are doing this and happy to see the production quality increasing with every video as well.
Keep doing what you are doing and thank you for your content.
Mid air collisions are pretty rare maybe that's why
the last fatal mid air collision happened in 2006 when an embraer private jet clipped the wings of a boeing 737 800 in brazil, causing the 737 to free fall and break up mid air, no one on board the 737 survived, but the embraer miraculously made it and landed in an air base after the crash
@@crypton7572 oh god damn I remember that one now that you say it.
Phantom strike is what the mayday episode is called I believe.
Yea obviously they dont happen too often, especially nowadays with TCAS, but just like the one from this video, I believe many similar incidents like this happened in the past and either didnt receive much coverage or were even covered up.
Having just checked, there are like 10+ mid air collisions which I have never heard of, which still have 50+ fatalities.
For example 2 Ukrainian Tupolevs colliding over Ukraine, killing 84 and 94, August of 1979.
Or LN1103 colliding with a fighter jet which was taking off while they were supposed to stand by for military traffic, leading to what is still Libya's worst accident.
Overall, I am just glad that this safety issue is largely a thing of the past.
Even though it wasn't the controller's fault I can't imagine how guilty he must've felt, or how terrifying it must've been for the crew watching the other plane get closer in their last moments, realising it was too late.
Fantastic videos, i really like the way you brought out all the shortcomings and not just the role of the khazak crew.
Omg im too addicted to this channel. Watched 14 hours of it today 💀. I don't want to run out
Everybody neat and cosy, until you see the eye white of another captain in another plane roaming towards yours.
I made a pin with a green dot and wings, I wear it on my work badge. I work in retail so many customers ask me about it. I try to send as many people as I can here. Peace!!
That's so cool! ❤Send me your email and I'll send you a Green Dot t-shirt (greendot330@gmail.com)
Another great one, best aviation disaster channel currently. Thanks.
You do great work and I’m stunned I haven’t heard of this horrible case before
I was 8 years old when I heard the news. Made me so scared about flying. The fear went away when I finally flew from Delhi to Kolkata when I was 11.
Yeh I don't like flying at all, I grew up near Kegworth in the English Midlands where there was a crash landing that killed people. But I can't imagine anything more terrifying than a mid-air collision and being alive on the way down. Those poor people, may God have mercy on their souls. Safe travels 👍
Indian aviation safety is surprisingly alright, although most of their accidents happen on the landing phase if the journey
last year indigo nearly had to write off an aircraft because it bounced on the runway
1 man in the control tower multi-tasking when there are so many lives at risk is a travesty!
Thank you for such clear and detailed explanation
Such a small window of error that could lead to a collision, yet they managed to fly into each other is absolutely tragic. RIP to all those involved.
It was a very very tragic news when this incident happened , a lot of workers from India travel to Saudi Arabia to work and make extra money to send back home to family , Kazakhstan traders travel to nearby places for trading purposes , so sad 😢for all who perished in this air accident. Thank you for sharing this clip and I am sure it must have been difficult for you to put it altogether due to the nature of this insurmountable tragedy