I found that most pilots are very calm until the very end, all of them truly believe they can make it back safely. Which is a great mindset to have. They don't have time to process that they are about to pass away in the two seconds from "we're going to do this" and "We're going down". That's my theory I guess. I wouldn't want a pilot who couldn't think they could get their stricken plane back safely.
@@Sniff_Jenkem there's a story on one of these channels about two pilots that were flying with an empty airliner and thought they'd have a bit of fun, they did reckless rollercoaster maneuvers and flew above the plane's service ceiling, and managed to destroy both engines in the process. despite all that, in their final seconds gliding towards a residential area, they were completely focused on reducing casualties on the ground by finding the emptiest spot they could, and keeping the gear up which is basically suicide for them. they were idiots but they worked together to prevent taking anyone out with them.
@@unflexianI know the exact incident you're talking about, but I cannot recall the flight!!!! I remember it taking off from somewhere in Arkansas heading to Minneapolis I believe.
it's a shame that the passion you see in the engineers who work on Boeing aircraft, and the positive sentiment held by pilots and passengers alike for some of the most iconic planes in the world, all amounts to nothing in the face of human lives that are lost as a result of Boeing's negligence
Would think You Could See Fuel Flow Rise sharply, Don't know if Shuts Fuel off Automatically. Think a Couple Cameras, 1 Each Side To See Wings, Engines, Landing Gear could be Nice.
@@randyaivaz3356 I think the A380s have cameras as can be seen on RUclips but I'm not sure if its standard on all of them. And kinda contradicts themselves, i'm sure there's a fuel flow safety cut off or the pilots may have cut off the fuel when they got the fire alarm.
RPM suddenly goes to 0, so does the oil pressure, oil temp, turbine temp, exhaust temp, fuel pressure, etc. Or, all of those instruments behave erratically due to the short circuits in their severed electric connections to the engines. Obviously the flight engineer had to know, the engines are destroyed, at least.
They probably only knew that they lost the instrument connection to the engines. It could just be more normal causes such as the turbine blades severing those connections and controls. Partially disintegrated and exploded engines may cause all those problems, but they can't tell until serious trim changes become apparent.
There's a bit more to this. The defects were due to cutting corners on routine engine maintenance, causing pressure on the joint it wasn't designed for - the engines were not removed and supported properly to save time.
"Cutting corners" and taking every possible shortcut is an Israeli cultural trait. The Hannibal Directive, for example, is really just a shortcut, however murderously ugly. Scott Ritter nailed it perfectly: "The state of Israel is itself a shortcut."
@@memyself717 I think what he meant was, it is their shortcut to a more complete international control of their criminal and banking activities. Back in the 80's an agent with the FBI discovered that all major trials of organized crime led back to that country. So in his report he called it the "the Promised Land of organized crime".
During a private pilot’s lesson we lost our rpms at 500 feet it dropped down to 1500 rpms my instructor Jim Vest took control and turned that Beechcraft sundowner around right over the tops of the pine trees and landed it safely mad respect Jim thanks for saving my life!!
@@johnbowen2963 whatever dude revolutions per minute is what I was getting at I’m pretty sure you’re the only guy out here that had a problem with where I put the s
Wow. Throughout the video I thought this was going to be a miracle story. Cant believe it went so wrong. I hope the crew and passenger are resting in peace, knowing their sacrifice made such a huge change to the safety of the industry for us all.
In the Netherlands we all know this incident as the Bijlmer ramp. young or old, native or none native, everyone in our country is formiliar with this horror incident. One of the darkest days in the dutch aviation history. 43 people who didnt survive and hundreds upon hunderds of people traumatized for the rest of their life's. I have no direct involvement with this crash, i live no where near amsterdam, but everytime i hear the last atc traffic of this flight i get chills all over my body. We will not forget, Rest in peace to all involved.
I visted the crashsite in 1992, and later on the Parlementair hearings.. every year in October I have to think about this horrific disaaster and then some idiots from the USA claim it's been a test flight for 911 cuz they don't understand Hebrew from Arabic...
RIP to those fine aviators, they fought a hopeless battle to the end and never gave up. Even the final radio call wasn’t panicked . Respect to El Al for their excellent pilots and training. RIP to those on the ground.
@verbal_DKInsulting these fine pilots because you don’t like Israel is honestly pretty shameful. They didn’t knew the extent of the damage to their aircraft and acted like every pilot is trained. If you have a double engine failure the cause of action is to return to the airport immideatly. But leave it to the RUclips commentator with 0 flight hours to lecture senior Boeing 747 crew members on how to act in emergencies.
The calmness of those pilots in the moment of such adversity always blows my mind away, even seconds away, knowing a sure death was, pretty calmly say..." going down...going down"...WOW!
I don't know if he actually says, or what he actually means by, the phrase "copy going down" in the middle of that last transmission, but personally I've always taken it to mean, "X marks the spot, boys." I mean I know that "copy" means either "I understand," or "Do you understand," but in that moment it could have been an extremely short-handed way of saying, "Please understand what I'm telling you: Our present location on your screen is where you should send everybody." If I'm right, it's an incredibly professional -- and to that extent brave -- thing to have done. He made an impression on me in that moment that makes me feel like you should be proud to have known him. But them I'm sure you already are.
I worked for Qantas engineering in the mid 1990s and remember doing the engine strut mods after the El Al crash, they were done in conjunction with a aircraft D check. A lot of the structure inside the wings had to be modified and strengthened as well as on the struts themselves. 🇦🇺
i cannot imagine that pit feeling in their stomachs, being in a giant uncontrollable metal tube going at hundreds of MPH toward the ground. ☹ RIP to everyone involved
@@TracksWithDaxI truly don't think they had time to process everything in the two seconds from being in level flight and going down. It is very chilling, but most final recordings from plane crashes are. The most haunting to me was "Here we go"
I actually visited the crash site on a trip to Amsterdam. It was at night and it was really terrifying. Although it’s been many years now, the feeling of death laid lurking while the cold winds of the winter blew. I was like the only person walking there and there were no lights at all.
There was a Dutch documentary called Raadsels rond een Ongloek or something like that which was made in like 1994 and it's on youtube but there are no subtitles unfortunately.
if you don't like it just don't watch it, his content is meant for getting people to learn something new and maybe useful instead of just having a story told to them@@LateNightCigars
@@LateNightCigarsyou can praise one without criticising the other! Mentour Pilots videos are great. I too will always prefer Green Dot though, I love the style and presentation of these videos
What a terribly sad story, all those poor people in their apartments dying from a jet crashing into their complex, something you'd never expect to happen, and the brave pilots who did everything they could to get the plane landed, may God rest their souls in heaven.
My friend's father was a colleague of this crew and we were just talking about this tragedy as he attended a memorial event. Thank you for covering this.
one guy saw it flying straight towards him but in the end it crashed a bit next to him I believe or something close to it. I can't even begin to imagine the horror.
Never believed I would live just a kilometre away from the crash site and be watching a video about it. Thank you again for a great coverage of this tragic accident.
Not the only time a 747 dropped engines: "On Oct. 20, 2004, Kalitta Air's Boeing 747 aircraft took off from Chicago O'Hare Airport, to John F. Kennedy Airport in New York. As it climbed to approximately 15,000 feet over Lake Michigan, one of the four engines on the aircraft tore off from the wing of the aircraft."
So often, these stories end with a highway or river or field... The way I lurched when you said the words "eleven-story apartment building." That's horrific.
One thing I learned from 737 simulators - never allow to airspeed decrease too much - no matter how much failures. When I see measured AOA higher than 5 deg., then I have heart attack every time. Its better to overrun runway than stall and crash.
Indeed, low and slow is the most dangerous situation. Most of stall-spin accidents happen during approach and landings. This is also a reason why pilots now have to do upset recovery training.
The aircraft was still controllable up until final when it decreased too much and with a tail wind. Should have continued at the higher speed until he could land into the wind to give the best possible chance. Also (unless I missed it) they did not dump the fuel tanks. This happened soon after takeoff so they would have a considerable amount of fuel on board. Losing that weight could have lightened things up allowing a slower stall speed and potentially the control surfaces to be more responsive.
In hind sight, I think it would have been better to have taken the long way around and approached the runway in the opposite direction, into the wind -- a 40 knot difference. This would have mitigated the inoperable flaps, and allowed them to lineup with the runway using more gradual steering inputs.
A couple of corrections / additions: unlike you stated, the plane was actually struggling to climb. This was noticed by ATC who remarked on this: "hij klimt voor geen meter". It has been suggested the plane was taking off beyond MTOW, possibly due to undeclared / illegal cargo. This in turn could have exacerbated the fuse pins' cracking. Also, the runway choice by the crew was indeed curious, but it would allow the plane to stay within El Al's restricted area at Schiphol; again, possibly related to the supposedly illegal military cargo. Finally the plane became uncontrollable due the inoperative slats on the damaged wing while they did extend on the other wing. On the cockpit audio you can hear Captain Fuchs asking for the slats to be retracted again but by then it was too late.
@@Malc180s Yeah thats why the survivors on the ground suffer serious health issues till this day from inhaling all the chemicals it was carrying and Apartheid South Africa and Isreal is/was know to carry illegal cargo and weapons. South African Airways 295 also crashed because of illegal cargo
@Malc180s there's more to it. After the crash, strange people in white hazmat suits appeared looking through the rubble, then disappeared. The new Dutch government has promised to release all documents relating to the crash, so if Mossad shenanigans were involved, we'll learn by then
I love your videos, and I watch them even when i already know about the crash, and often, I learn something new. What i like the most is how you tell the story. I've commented this before: You keep me at the edge of my seat. Your voice makes it easy to binge watch. Obviously, you are doing what you love. How awesome is that!?!
Hey, Green Dot. I saw a chart of the most successful aviation channels and there among Mentour Pilot and a few other heavy hitters was Green Dot Aviation. Congratulations.
Thanks for the clear transcript and high-quality graphics on only which can only be described as a horrific tale of events. I'm hooked to stay on this channel. I used to watch Air Crash Investigation and Seconds From Disaster about aviation accidents when I was involved in aviation, now there's Green Dot Aviation! Congrats to all involved!
I came straight to your channel immediately after I saw all the Boeing stuff. I’ve been going back through all your old videos and the foreshadowing is crazy😭
I always get emotional on these accidents, but it’s just this sadness feeling, even on “closer to home” accidents like AF447 and TAM3054 (being born in Brazil), but this one, when he mentioned crashing over an ELEVEN story building, I really couldn’t hold my tears. Thank you for covering this accident, Green Dot. My sympathies to the Dutch and the involved people. 🖤
Being a child when TAM3054 crashed, I couldn't completely grasp what had happened, but even so I could tell it was something really sad, and the general mood in the room in the days that followed proved it.
This has to be the most under-appreciated channel on RUclips. The quality of your videos is improving so much every time, and it’s a genuine pleasure to watch each one.
I was 11 years old, standing in the kitchen of our elderly house. My fathers girlfriend, (not my mother), had her parents over, and it was just a normal day. My father was a volunteer firefighter. And at a moment, his pager went off, and he received the call that the divers section of our town's station were called out to Amsterdam, due to a crashed airplane. I am 43 years old now, but I remember it like it happened yesterday.
I'm the same age, my dad was also a volunteer firefighter & I also remember several really bad or dangerous calls my dad went out to. I especially remember the few that he got injured in. I also remember the times I felt extra safe because I was confident he knew what to do in bad situations, or when I was so excited because I got to be in the parades with him _ he'd let me play with the lights and sirens.
De Bijlmerramp is the Netherlands worst aircraft incident. My uncle was in Bijlmer at the moment, and told me the ground shook at the moment of impact.
It was the worst in the Netherlands, in my opinion Tenerife was the worst, as there was a Dutch B747 full of passengers involved as well as another B747.
Thank you so much for your videos Green dot. You are my absolute #1 favourite channel on the entirety of RUclips. Also I highly commend your music choices in this video, subtle yet appropriately dramatic. (I'm a musician/composer and I'm rather picky about things like this). Thank you again very much
As I watched this video, I imagined what it must have been like to see this plane from the ground as it fell from the sky. Seems like an awfully traumatic thing to witness. On a side note, this channel seems to get better with each upload. This video was excellent and well worth the wait.
3:56 they’re a 747 Classic and a A350. Also, REALLY good video @GreenDotAviation I learned new things and i had no problems understanding the incident. Very well done and keep it up
Great video once again, man! I like the way of storytelling and keeping it to the point. You might want to include "Bijlmerramp" in the title or description of the video; Could give a viewer-boost.
Since 1970 1,575 747's were built. 64 had crashed. 3,746 people died. 4.1% failure rate. Production ended in 2023. Since the FAA had sent out a warning regarding the pin fatigue prior to this crash why hadn't the airline inspected these pins?
I'm not defending Boeing by any means, their lack of scruples has gotten out of control at this point. But to be fair, so many 747 crashes had nothing to do with aircraft system failures that could be traced to Boeing themselves. A dozen or more pilot error situations including collisions/navigation errors/runway overruns, hijackings/bombs, fires, even 1 shot down by military ordinance (not TWA 800). I'd be willing to bet that the 747 overall failure rate due to things traced to the manufacturer is similar to the same statistic of other Boeing and Airbus models.
Oh please...failure rate should be based on number of flights or hours flown. Regardless, 64 crashes out of 1.5million aircraft is not a 4.1% failure rate.
the man who later became the head pilot of El Al was at my dinner table when this happened. A very dark day for Israeli aviation and with what is going on with BOEING today, it seems that they really had no chance. Will BOEING pay for it's past transgressions and betrayals of both pilots and passengers ?
By then they probably accepted the fact that they were doomed and there was nothing else they *could* do _but_ simply say "going down". And death is instant in a crash.
the simulator views really give life to the documentary, really well done. I didn't know about this accident so i believed until the end that they would somewhat miraculously land. the last seconds when the alarms sounds and you see the ground upside-down... that's terrifying. at 13:20 I actually thought they would try to land on the water body at the east. It's always easier to make decisions while watching a video...
In hindsight they should have landed on the water (flight deck would have remained above the surface due to lack of depth), but they didn't know. Hindsight is always 20/20 vision.
Actually the ultimate solution was the design and implementation of the Dual Side Brace (DSB) fitting. The strut mod program in the 90s on the 747 was one of the largest mod programs ever.
Fuse pins are meant to be the weak point, so a damaged engine can tear itself off the wing without damaging the wing itself. My recollection - the inboard engine was replaced using a forklift instead of the proper lifting cradle. The lifting cradle would have put all mounting point in the right places, but with a forlkift, you'd put one pin in place then adjust the engine to put a second in place, etc. This procedure overstressed some of the pins. The design of the pins is such that the rear one should go first, then the side pins, leaving the front pin last. If the engine was stopped, this pin would break and the engine fall away, if under power, the engine would swing around vertically on the front pin and be thrown safely over the top of the wing. But the damaged pins were included the inboard pin. When it went, together with, I think the front pin, the engine pivoted around the side pin, throwing it outwards, where it collided with the outboard engine and the wing structure.
I was just on a airbus lost 2/4 hydraulic pumps or something the captain said 🤣 flying is still sketchy. Actually started watching these videos because of that I became interested…
I love the introduction format of the pilots at the beginning. Without the written profile, I had to really focus on what you were saying because it was all just a jumble of numbers.
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What software do you use to create these simulations?
@@spuddsalli8559 if im not wrong,this is X plane ,but im probably wrong
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I'm amazed how calm that last radio call was. Just professionalism until the end
both pilot and co-pilot were in the Israeli air force for many years
I found that most pilots are very calm until the very end, all of them truly believe they can make it back safely. Which is a great mindset to have. They don't have time to process that they are about to pass away in the two seconds from "we're going to do this" and "We're going down". That's my theory I guess.
I wouldn't want a pilot who couldn't think they could get their stricken plane back safely.
@@Sniff_Jenkem there's a story on one of these channels about two pilots that were flying with an empty airliner and thought they'd have a bit of fun, they did reckless rollercoaster maneuvers and flew above the plane's service ceiling, and managed to destroy both engines in the process.
despite all that, in their final seconds gliding towards a residential area, they were completely focused on reducing casualties on the ground by finding the emptiest spot they could, and keeping the gear up which is basically suicide for them. they were idiots but they worked together to prevent taking anyone out with them.
@@unflexianI know the exact incident you're talking about, but I cannot recall the flight!!!! I remember it taking off from somewhere in Arkansas heading to Minneapolis I believe.
@@MrHav1k Pinnacle Airlines flight 3701. I remember MP and MACI did videos on that.
My confidence in Boeing erodes with every new Green Dot video
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I don’t need to wait for a video, I just see the news
I mean with what I have heard with Airbus as well both are a bit well iffy and make Concorde look safe. I mean it was but.
it's a shame that the passion you see in the engineers who work on Boeing aircraft, and the positive sentiment held by pilots and passengers alike for some of the most iconic planes in the world, all amounts to nothing in the face of human lives that are lost as a result of Boeing's negligence
".....There is no instrument that tells you if your engines fall off....." LOL. Priceless commentary. Well played, sir.
its not that hard to make one. probably couldn't use it due to vibrations.
Would think You Could See Fuel Flow Rise sharply, Don't know if Shuts Fuel off Automatically. Think a Couple Cameras, 1 Each Side To See Wings, Engines, Landing Gear could be Nice.
@@randyaivaz3356 I think the A380s have cameras as can be seen on RUclips but I'm not sure if its standard on all of them. And kinda contradicts themselves, i'm sure there's a fuel flow safety cut off or the pilots may have cut off the fuel when they got the fire alarm.
RPM suddenly goes to 0, so does the oil pressure, oil temp, turbine temp, exhaust temp, fuel pressure, etc. Or, all of those instruments behave erratically due to the short circuits in their severed electric connections to the engines. Obviously the flight engineer had to know, the engines are destroyed, at least.
They probably only knew that they lost the instrument connection to the engines. It could just be more normal causes such as the turbine blades severing those connections and controls. Partially disintegrated and exploded engines may cause all those problems, but they can't tell until serious trim changes become apparent.
There's a bit more to this. The defects were due to cutting corners on routine engine maintenance, causing pressure on the joint it wasn't designed for - the engines were not removed and supported properly to save time.
"Cutting corners" and taking every possible shortcut is an Israeli cultural trait. The Hannibal Directive, for example, is really just a shortcut, however murderously ugly. Scott Ritter nailed it perfectly: "The state of Israel is itself a shortcut."
@@chrislantos you had me until "Scott Ritter".
@@memyself717 I think what he meant was, it is their shortcut to a more complete international control of their criminal and banking activities. Back in the 80's an agent with the FBI discovered that all major trials of organized crime led back to that country. So in his report he called it the "the Promised Land of organized crime".
@@chrislantos thanks for your propaganda. Long live Israel.
@@chrislantosI’m not sure if that paragraph would sound any better even if you didn’t quote a convicted child predator and Putin loyalist
During a private pilot’s lesson we lost our rpms at 500 feet it dropped down to 1500 rpms my instructor Jim Vest took control and turned that Beechcraft sundowner around right over the tops of the pine trees and landed it safely mad respect Jim thanks for saving my life!!
ITS rpm. not rpms / its revs per min. not reves per mins/ it how many time a shaft go's around in on min
@@johnbowen2963 whatever dude revolutions per minute is what I was getting at I’m pretty sure you’re the only guy out here that had a problem with where I put the s
Wow. Throughout the video I thought this was going to be a miracle story. Cant believe it went so wrong. I hope the crew and passenger are resting in peace, knowing their sacrifice made such a huge change to the safety of the industry for us all.
And the 40 people that died in their homes?
@@niksonrex88 RIP to them too
@@niksonrex88 RIP to them too
I feel the same. I was hoping for a last minute turn-around. But then I always do.
@@niksonrex88Yea okay them too of course
In the Netherlands we all know this incident as the Bijlmer ramp. young or old, native or none native, everyone in our country is formiliar with this horror incident. One of the darkest days in the dutch aviation history. 43 people who didnt survive and hundreds upon hunderds of people traumatized for the rest of their life's. I have no direct involvement with this crash, i live no where near amsterdam, but everytime i hear the last atc traffic of this flight i get chills all over my body. We will not forget, Rest in peace to all involved.
Exactly. The bijlmer ramp is still very known by people above 40 years age
and where they were and what they were doing. I know I do.@@wilcofaber9863
43 is the official number, many homeless people lived there and I'm pretty sure the actual number is higher. Ik geloof er geen kloot van 😶
I visted the crashsite in 1992, and later on the Parlementair hearings..
every year in October I have to think about this horrific disaaster
and then some idiots from the USA claim it's been a test flight for 911 cuz they don't understand Hebrew from Arabic...
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RIP to those fine aviators, they fought a hopeless battle to the end and never gave up. Even the final radio call wasn’t panicked . Respect to El Al for their excellent pilots and training.
RIP to those on the ground.
could the pilots have survived this if they tried to land with the too much speed?
Stop lying. Nothing about this was handled well.
@verbal_DKsaid the capitan with 3 million flight hours..have some shame
@@pathfinder5190Lancaster down 😂
@verbal_DKInsulting these fine pilots because you don’t like Israel is honestly pretty shameful. They didn’t knew the extent of the damage to their aircraft and acted like every pilot is trained. If you have a double engine failure the cause of action is to return to the airport immideatly. But leave it to the RUclips commentator with 0 flight hours to lecture senior Boeing 747 crew members on how to act in emergencies.
The calmness of those pilots in the moment of such adversity always blows my mind away, even seconds away, knowing a sure death was, pretty calmly say..." going down...going down"...WOW!
Yeah, I'd be like tell " this this this " I love them or something of this sorts!
The first officer on this flight was a childhood friend and my neighbour, it's chilling to hear his voice on this video.
I’m sorry for your loss
I don't know if he actually says, or what he actually means by, the phrase "copy going down" in the middle of that last transmission, but personally I've always taken it to mean, "X marks the spot, boys." I mean I know that "copy" means either "I understand," or "Do you understand," but in that moment it could have been an extremely short-handed way of saying, "Please understand what I'm telling you: Our present location on your screen is where you should send everybody."
If I'm right, it's an incredibly professional -- and to that extent brave -- thing to have done. He made an impression on me in that moment that makes me feel like you should be proud to have known him. But them I'm sure you already are.
I'm so sorry
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I can just imagine 😮
Ah yes, late evening watching green dot aviation. doesn't get better then this.
dude im doing the same thing rn!!
Amen to that
Literally makes my day so much better seeing a green dot upload
It gets better if you download the RUclips vid series for the express purpose of re-watching them on board during a flight
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I worked for Qantas engineering in the mid 1990s and remember doing the engine strut mods after the El Al crash, they were done in conjunction with a aircraft D check.
A lot of the structure inside the wings had to be modified and strengthened as well as on the struts themselves. 🇦🇺
Thanks for this.
Quantas never crashed!!!
Engineering, huh? Why you couldn't get it right the first time is amazing 👍
@@RonOsbourne wtf your trolling right?
If mods were required ... must have been the original Boeing design was poor.
GOING DOWN!! GOING DOWN!! Sent chills down my spine
i cannot imagine that pit feeling in their stomachs, being in a giant uncontrollable metal tube going at hundreds of MPH toward the ground. ☹ RIP to everyone involved
@@TracksWithDaxI truly don't think they had time to process everything in the two seconds from being in level flight and going down. It is very chilling, but most final recordings from plane crashes are. The most haunting to me was "Here we go"
which episode was that one again ?@@Sniff_Jenkem
@@souelyoung2233that’s Alaska airlines flight 261, mentor pilot did a great video on it
@@souelyoung2233that was Alaska airlines flight 261
OMG !!! Why do i keep watching these when i find them so very upsetting. RIP all who die because of plane crashes.😢😢
Because it’s morbid entertainment
Same reason we keep eating sugar and junk food know full well that it’s poison
I actually visited the crash site on a trip to Amsterdam. It was at night and it was really terrifying. Although it’s been many years now, the feeling of death laid lurking while the cold winds of the winter blew. I was like the only person walking there and there were no lights at all.
I was looking for a documentary on this crash for the last 2 weeks but couldn’t find a decent high quality one, now I have thanks man
There was a Dutch documentary called Raadsels rond een Ongloek or something like that which was made in like 1994 and it's on youtube but there are no subtitles unfortunately.
NEO channel and Hoog channel did a high quality one
There's a Mayday / Air Crash Investigation episode on it, which has contributions from air crash experts.
Disaster Breakdown did ab excellent video on this crash as well...
@@miche1dfOngloek => Ongeluk
This is the one channel I’ll drop EVERYTHING i’m doing just to watch
This channel is much better than that annoying Mentour channel where the guy go on and on on every detail 🥴
So would the Boeing 747, apparently
if you don't like it just don't watch it, his content is meant for getting people to learn something new and maybe useful instead of just having a story told to them@@LateNightCigars
@@LateNightCigarsyou can praise one without criticising the other! Mentour Pilots videos are great. I too will always prefer Green Dot though, I love the style and presentation of these videos
@@LateNightCigarsMentour Pilot videos flyes over your head.
I think it is about time Boeing included a "Your engine has fallen off" and "your door plug has fallen off" warning lights.
lol
Add to that "But your Boeing stock is doing fine"
@@johnking9942 ha ha - sad but true.
They should also include a "You're flying a Boeing" warning light as well. This is ridiculous.
@@Zemohc TBH, the fact that the Boeing is still flying should mean it is a green smilie -face light.
Man, I was hoping for a miracle and then it happened, made me so sad. 😞 Excellent narration and video.
What a terribly sad story, all those poor people in their apartments dying from a jet crashing into their complex, something you'd never expect to happen, and the brave pilots who did everything they could to get the plane landed, may God rest their souls in heaven.
My friend's father was a colleague of this crew and we were just talking about this tragedy as he attended a memorial event. Thank you for covering this.
Imagine being someone on the ground looking at the falling aircraft... Must have been such a horrifying scene
one guy saw it flying straight towards him but in the end it crashed a bit next to him I believe or something close to it. I can't even begin to imagine the horror.
I had to run from it, just made it!
Like a Hollywood movie, I imagine.
Yeah, like that movie with Nicholas Cage.@@R.Oates7902
I've had nightmares like this many times... the effects of watching too much aviation documentaries I guess...
Never believed I would live just a kilometre away from the crash site and be watching a video about it. Thank you again for a great coverage of this tragic accident.
I'm Gobsmacked. Even your advertisements are brilliant. What a voice.
Not the only time a 747 dropped engines:
"On Oct. 20, 2004, Kalitta Air's Boeing 747 aircraft took off from Chicago O'Hare Airport, to John F. Kennedy Airport in New York. As it climbed to approximately 15,000 feet over Lake Michigan, one of the four engines on the aircraft tore off from the wing of the aircraft."
So often, these stories end with a highway or river or field... The way I lurched when you said the words "eleven-story apartment building." That's horrific.
Well, planes often follow highways and rivers and airports are ALWAYS near open fields so…
Spoilers.
One thing I learned from 737 simulators - never allow to airspeed decrease too much - no matter how much failures. When I see measured AOA higher than 5 deg., then I have heart attack every time. Its better to overrun runway than stall and crash.
Indeed, low and slow is the most dangerous situation. Most of stall-spin accidents happen during approach and landings. This is also a reason why pilots now have to do upset recovery training.
I don't think the captain would have made the runway even with increased airspeed he would have landed past the run way.
@@mauriceharting5877 we don't even know if he would have had gear.
The aircraft was still controllable up until final when it decreased too much and with a tail wind. Should have continued at the higher speed until he could land into the wind to give the best possible chance. Also (unless I missed it) they did not dump the fuel tanks. This happened soon after takeoff so they would have a considerable amount of fuel on board. Losing that weight could have lightened things up allowing a slower stall speed and potentially the control surfaces to be more responsive.
In hind sight, I think it would have been better to have taken the long way around and approached the runway in the opposite direction, into the wind -- a 40 knot difference. This would have mitigated the inoperable flaps, and allowed them to lineup with the runway using more gradual steering inputs.
A couple of corrections / additions: unlike you stated, the plane was actually struggling to climb. This was noticed by ATC who remarked on this: "hij klimt voor geen meter". It has been suggested the plane was taking off beyond MTOW, possibly due to undeclared / illegal cargo. This in turn could have exacerbated the fuse pins' cracking. Also, the runway choice by the crew was indeed curious, but it would allow the plane to stay within El Al's restricted area at Schiphol; again, possibly related to the supposedly illegal military cargo. Finally the plane became uncontrollable due the inoperative slats on the damaged wing while they did extend on the other wing. On the cockpit audio you can hear Captain Fuchs asking for the slats to be retracted again but by then it was too late.
This 💯
Get the tin foil!
tinfoil? no need. it's just the Israeli government doing insraeli government things.@@Malc180s
@@Malc180s Yeah thats why the survivors on the ground suffer serious health issues till this day from inhaling all the chemicals it was carrying and Apartheid South Africa and Isreal is/was know to carry illegal cargo and weapons. South African Airways 295 also crashed because of illegal cargo
@Malc180s there's more to it. After the crash, strange people in white hazmat suits appeared looking through the rubble, then disappeared.
The new Dutch government has promised to release all documents relating to the crash, so if Mossad shenanigans were involved, we'll learn by then
They were so close. What a tragic loss.
I love your videos, and I watch them even when i already know about the crash, and often, I learn something new. What i like the most is how you tell the story. I've commented this before: You keep me at the edge of my seat.
Your voice makes it easy to binge watch.
Obviously, you are doing what you love. How awesome is that!?!
So good to see you back my brother. Hope the pilot training is going well and thank you for all you do with these amazing videos.
I remember my Grandpa (who also loves aviation) telling me about this incident. Such a tragic event RIP to all who died
This intro is literally the best channel intro I've ever saw. It looks stunning
Looks great on a big oled TV also
NO ONE ASKED @@RicJG7
You must be new to youtube, and past tense.
I do agree, it's simple, elegant, audio is good, it is 100% on theme. Great intro
I am not, nor ever will be a pilot. But I can tell you this much...thanks to this channel, I know more about flying than I ever thought I would.
No you don't
@@brockobama2599 Your mother.
I found this channel a few days ago through a rabbit hole coming from Brick Immortar and I can’t stop watching. Good work 🌟
Hey, Green Dot. I saw a chart of the most successful aviation channels and there among Mentour Pilot and a few other heavy hitters was Green Dot Aviation.
Congratulations.
You, the fligth channel and mentour pilots are the three I follow with pleasure
@@wilcofaber9863 Yeah, but The Flight Channel has been using reruns for quite a while.
@@wilcofaber9863Yeah, personally, CARLOLUSPRIMA, is also my favorite aviation channel.
that Mentour channel that guy is annoying. He goes on and on for every detail... 😒
@@LateNightCigars Details only annoy stupid people. What do you think this says about you?
Man I love this channel
Thanks for the clear transcript and high-quality graphics on only which can only be described as a horrific tale of events. I'm hooked to stay on this channel. I used to watch Air Crash Investigation and Seconds From Disaster about aviation accidents when I was involved in aviation, now there's Green Dot Aviation! Congrats to all involved!
I came straight to your channel immediately after I saw all the Boeing stuff. I’ve been going back through all your old videos and the foreshadowing is crazy😭
This channel is one of the best, if not the best, faceless RUclips channel.
I always get emotional on these accidents, but it’s just this sadness feeling, even on “closer to home” accidents like AF447 and TAM3054 (being born in Brazil), but this one, when he mentioned crashing over an ELEVEN story building, I really couldn’t hold my tears. Thank you for covering this accident, Green Dot. My sympathies to the Dutch and the involved people. 🖤
Being a child when TAM3054 crashed, I couldn't completely grasp what had happened, but even so I could tell it was something really sad, and the general mood in the room in the days that followed proved it.
This has to be the most under-appreciated channel on RUclips. The quality of your videos is improving so much every time, and it’s a genuine pleasure to watch each one.
334K subscribers and "underappreciated"? That's got to be one of the silliest comments I've seen for a while. 😂
Love the documentaries keep it up
"And theres no instrument to tell you that your engine has fallen off"... hahaha OMG that's better than SNL
The animation of the engines falling off was peak!
"In a few short minutes they would be lined up to depart. While we wait..." and then goes into the ad 😂
I was 11 years old, standing in the kitchen of our elderly house. My fathers girlfriend, (not my mother), had her parents over, and it was just a normal day. My father was a volunteer firefighter. And at a moment, his pager went off, and he received the call that the divers section of our town's station were called out to Amsterdam, due to a crashed airplane.
I am 43 years old now, but I remember it like it happened yesterday.
I'm the same age, my dad was also a volunteer firefighter & I also remember several really bad or dangerous calls my dad went out to. I especially remember the few that he got injured in. I also remember the times I felt extra safe because I was confident he knew what to do in bad situations, or when I was so excited because I got to be in the parades with him _ he'd let me play with the lights and sirens.
not to be rude or anything but mentioning your father's gf was completely unnecessary.
@@navneetshukla55 It's also completely unnecessary to point this out. This is not your story to tell.
@R2k2 Thanks for sharing. It remains harrowing to remember such events. 😕
@@AnnaVannieuwenhuyse sorry for your loss man
De Bijlmerramp is the Netherlands worst aircraft incident. My uncle was in Bijlmer at the moment, and told me the ground shook at the moment of impact.
It was the worst in the Netherlands, in my opinion Tenerife was the worst, as there was a Dutch B747 full of passengers involved as well as another B747.
@@apveening MH17 as well, most of the passengers were Dutch
@@grassytramtracks That wasn't a disaster, that was a war crime. Besides that, there were a bit less passengers on that B777.
Such a devastating conclusion to this one. Was not expecting that. Another masterful presentation. 🙏
Omg them last seconds would be absolutely terrifying! I'd clinch on as hard as I could to the yoke.. and close my eyes. Thanks for everything life!
After the pilot said we're going down, you can't imagine how terrifying that cockpit view must have been 😢
Thank you so much for your videos Green dot. You are my absolute #1 favourite channel on the entirety of RUclips. Also I highly commend your music choices in this video, subtle yet appropriately dramatic. (I'm a musician/composer and I'm rather picky about things like this). Thank you again very much
As I watched this video, I imagined what it must have been like to see this plane from the ground as it fell from the sky. Seems like an awfully traumatic thing to witness.
On a side note, this channel seems to get better with each upload. This video was excellent and well worth the wait.
i was imagining being one of the pilots on the plane. It was much worst.
Love your videos! Keep it coming.
This captain is/was an amazing hero! God bless all souls on board!
3:56 they’re a 747 Classic and a A350. Also, REALLY good video @GreenDotAviation I learned new things and i had no problems understanding the incident. Very well done and keep it up
I knew it'd be Boeing vs Airbus just by the "quality" of the cockpits (as in the polish and refinement of them)
@@airplanemaniacgaming7877 more like 2010's tech vs 1960's tech aka the 747-100 first flight was in 1969 and the a350's in 2013
Great video once again, man! I like the way of storytelling and keeping it to the point. You might want to include "Bijlmerramp" in the title or description of the video; Could give a viewer-boost.
Since 1970 1,575 747's were built. 64 had crashed. 3,746 people died. 4.1% failure rate. Production ended in 2023.
Since the FAA had sent out a warning regarding the pin fatigue prior to this crash why hadn't the airline inspected these pins?
I'm not defending Boeing by any means, their lack of scruples has gotten out of control at this point. But to be fair, so many 747 crashes had nothing to do with aircraft system failures that could be traced to Boeing themselves. A dozen or more pilot error situations including collisions/navigation errors/runway overruns, hijackings/bombs, fires, even 1 shot down by military ordinance (not TWA 800). I'd be willing to bet that the 747 overall failure rate due to things traced to the manufacturer is similar to the same statistic of other Boeing and Airbus models.
Aren't fuse pins designed to break without damaging the control systems?
@@user-xu5vl5th9n well, clearly not in this case.
The fuse pins are meant to break WITHOUT damaging any systems.
Oh please...failure rate should be based on number of flights or hours flown. Regardless, 64 crashes out of 1.5million aircraft is not a 4.1% failure rate.
the man who later became the head pilot of El Al was at my dinner table when this happened. A very dark day for Israeli aviation and with what is going on with BOEING today, it seems that they really had no chance. Will BOEING pay for it's past transgressions and betrayals of both pilots and passengers ?
747-200 (Classic) & The Airbus A350 are the two flight decks from the sponsor part of your clip for bonus points.
GOD BLESS!!!!
"We're going down, we're going down"
Heartbreaking
The sheer composure of these pilots amazes me. I’d be bawling.
I can only imagine the horror on the pilots' minds when they realized they lost the remaining control of the aircraft.
I can only imagine the brain power to type such a generic bot comment
The quality of these videos couldn’t get any better!
So sad, that crew worked so hard and had achieved miracles up to the end.
I really love that you add ATC recordings in the video, do it more! :D
FINALLY!
I subscribed to your channel last month, expecting a video to come not long after... and well, here we are.
I love this channel. I also won’t be flying ever again unless absolutely necessary.
Lol, I've sat in airports watching Green Dot's videos while waiting to board flights, guess I'm a little crazy 😂
@@DavidElkind42I am sure you are with some strong drinks in your hand 😄
@@DavidElkind42 😅 that’s pretty hilarious
idk how they can stay so calm and just radio "going down" instead of screaming their heads off
I can’t even imagine what was going through their minds at that moment
By then they probably accepted the fact that they were doomed and there was nothing else they *could* do _but_ simply say "going down". And death is instant in a crash.
disciplined professionals
I imagine experienced pilots have processed the idea that they may die hundreds or thousands of times - especially as military pilots.
the simulator views really give life to the documentary, really well done. I didn't know about this accident so i believed until the end that they would somewhat miraculously land.
the last seconds when the alarms sounds and you see the ground upside-down... that's terrifying.
at 13:20 I actually thought they would try to land on the water body at the east. It's always easier to make decisions while watching a video...
In hindsight they should have landed on the water (flight deck would have remained above the surface due to lack of depth), but they didn't know. Hindsight is always 20/20 vision.
What a Tragedy, the Pilot and flight crew couldn't have done any more. Absolute Hero's in a 'no win' situation, Sad indeed!
Actually the ultimate solution was the design and implementation of the Dual Side Brace (DSB) fitting. The strut mod program in the 90s on the 747 was one of the largest mod programs ever.
The way Kelsey talks about 747 engine failures I'm surprised they even diverted
Wake up babe, a new Green Dot video just dropped!
Thanks for waking me up baby 😘😘😘😘😘
The intro never stops to impress me
So many tragedies. Along with a mind-numbing scope of how and why it happened... Such tragic events...
BOEING’s new slogan: “We’ll get you there….well, most of the time anyways.”
Or: “All our flights end on the surface, guaranteed!”
Have you seen the film airplane? Passenger asks stewardess 'do these planes crash often?' She replies 'Oh no sir, they only crash once!'.
@@selseyonetwenty4631 hahaha. That’s a good one. I watched that movie a long time ago. Surely I Need to pay it a revisit 😉
@@selseyonetwenty4631 roger roger.
I don't see the similar comments when it's an airbus
@@MultiChrisjb my name is Victor, ironically 😆
Fuse pins are meant to be the weak point, so a damaged engine can tear itself off the wing without damaging the wing itself. My recollection - the inboard engine was replaced using a forklift instead of the proper lifting cradle. The lifting cradle would have put all mounting point in the right places, but with a forlkift, you'd put one pin in place then adjust the engine to put a second in place, etc. This procedure overstressed some of the pins.
The design of the pins is such that the rear one should go first, then the side pins, leaving the front pin last. If the engine was stopped, this pin would break and the engine fall away, if under power, the engine would swing around vertically on the front pin and be thrown safely over the top of the wing. But the damaged pins were included the inboard pin. When it went, together with, I think the front pin, the engine pivoted around the side pin, throwing it outwards, where it collided with the outboard engine and the wing structure.
Yes, they used a forklift.
Nope that was American 191
If it’s Boeing I ain’t going.
Hahaha
If its Airbus, I won't make a fuss!
It could be worse, it could be McDonnell Douglas. Oh wait. It IS McDonnell Douglas.
I was just on a airbus lost 2/4 hydraulic pumps or something the captain said 🤣 flying is still sketchy. Actually started watching these videos because of that I became interested…
@@samuellourenco1050 Which Boeing now owns
Man these videos really make me want to try microsoft flight simulator
Hey man keep up the good work I love these videos I watch them at work when I can thank you
Bone freezing last ATC call. May the pilots and everyone else rest in peace.
I've never been this early for a video before
Literally my jaw dropped when the animation shows the engine fall off
Really appreciate the lack of clickbait in your videos.
I have plane tickets for next month and I’ve been binging green dot all day 😜
imagine those kids who were home alone and when their parents come they realise that a fucking plane crashed in it
Boeing knew but did nothing. Imagine that. 🙄
I love the introduction format of the pilots at the beginning. Without the written profile, I had to really focus on what you were saying because it was all just a jumble of numbers.
I’m glad you explained how they fixed this problem 😅
If it’s boeing I ain’t going!
As a retired British Aiways pilot who used to fly in the 90s, 747s, all I can say is: Oy vey.
I've used Opera for five years. I've put my whole family on it. So much less hassles. Clean, quiet, fast, reliable.
love the channel, i also think Opera browser is fantastic.
Was waiting on this one!
If It's Boeing, I'm Not Flying.
facts
If only Netenyahu was on this flight and not the poor flight crew. RIP
Somehow managed to make this about someone else
well Done you
How unfortunate 💔😔
He'll end up in an Israeli prison after the war.
There are only three bolts that fasten the engines to the 747. This seems like sabatoge.
SUCH a horrible tragedy. 😔 The term "spot me" comes to mind here. Even a simple once over when things are so routine can get skipped.
love your videos!!!