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What REALLY happened Korean Flight 007??
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It’s the hot summer of 1983, and the cold war rages.
Ronald Reagan is US president, Michael Jackson’s Thriller is at the top of the charts, and Pacman is all the rage.
The threat of nuclear war looms large, and every political football risks being used as a reason to whip out the nuclear football.
This almost comic juxtaposition of pop, and politics formed the backdrop against which Korean Airlines flight 7 took to the skies above New York on August 31st.
On this night, in an atmosphere thick with cold war tension, an incredible series of events would unfold out over the Pacific Ocean, which would bring the world to the brink of war.
This is the incredible story of Korean Airlines flight 7.
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Big thanks to David for his knowledge and input on B747 systems, and historical aviation context for the video.
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What's with the reupload?
Great video. I watched it earlier in a currently unlisted upload, so came here to like again.
@@DCuber196They forgot to bring the monkey along to check position now and then ?
@@DCuber196But the CIA's plane just remained unmolested. Anyone thinking that's a bit odd is obviously a twisted conspiracy theorist - probably a "Racist and a White supremacist - on Thurdays.
And the red and green "Nav lights" ? Oh our poor old Migs just couldn't catch up with this damn thing- then we "ran out of fuel" !😂
A passenger list - with employment sketch for each - might shed some light on this "unfortunate incident".
Was it MH370 - or the one shot down in Ukraine - with corpses on board - contained some top engineers of Freescale semiconductors apart from all else. Patents ownership sort of stuff. These folks heads don't work like "yours and mine".
"Asleep at the wheel" is the phrase that best describes this crew. So many mistakes and failures to pay attention to detail is bordering on criminal negligence. 🌵🌵🌵
single mistake is an accident, two mistakes in a row is stupidity, three and more "mistakes" in a row is intentional
I wouldn't say 'bordering on criminal negligence'- I would say 'definite criminal negligence'.
How in the world could such an experienced flight crew fail to acknowledge so many signals that things were amiss? Given the various explanations for what happened, I find it impossible to believe that something more sinister wasn't going on.
The crew must have been aware of the increasingly aggressive diplomatic tensions between the USA and the USSR. As such, if it were me flying that plane on that particular evening, I would have been constantly making sure my aircraft stayed as far away as possible from USSR airspace.
Such an odd, frustrating story! 'Asleep at the wheel' indeed.
Great video what a tragic loss of life, LORD have Mercy
This came at a time when KAL were losing airframes at what seemed a fairly regular rate. In more recent times it's ceased. Maybe the discovered CRM ?
@@Bobman84 Meaning what, Ivan ?
My driving instructor advised me that sometimes drivers' mistakes on the road are not because they lack experience, but because they feel they understand everything. I think this advice works for everything.
Confirmation bias
@@EVG_Channelnot exactly but sort of I guess…
@@EVG_Channel Dunning Kruger effect is about people who know absolutely nothing act the most confidently. What OP said was about how people who DO know everything tend to get overconfident.
@@EVG_Channel AKA the Trump ignorance.
Yep, it's called becoming complacent...
How badly and critically this flight deviated from its main flight path is horrifying and what’s even worse is that an experienced flight crew was completely unaware of their disastrous error.
I have red “Incident at Sachalin” and I think that “conspiracy theory” explanes pilots “awarness” or a lack of it.
I don't believe it, I think they took the direct route to Seoul. What are the odds they would be heading directly to Seoul if they were actually off course? Basically zero, there's no way it was an accidenty.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 i think this could be the most likely reason but they were on that heading anyway because thats what heading it was to the 2nd becon waypoint they were cleared to, so its hard to know.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049totally agree
Your correct bobby, no one talks about who was on the plane, Richard Helms who was head of the CIA, told Congress in an
open forum, what the CIA owned, Korean Air was one of them. @@bobbygetsbanned6049
I remember when this happened and thought it was strange that a commercial airline with the flight number "007" would be shot down for spying. It was a very disturbing event and during a very turbulent and dangerous time.
It was in the National Enquirer as a "psychic prediction" before it happened - I read it.
I always heard there was government surveillance equipment on board from a reliable source
@@dan797LMAO. Sure you did.
Hes right, i was the source @The_ZeroLine
If you want to know what REALLY happened, read: James Gollin; Robert Allardyce: "The Tragic Flight of
KAL Flight 007".
I read a case study a while ago about korean airlines. Korean culture is quite complex and you are never meant never to question your elders or superiors. Which led to 2 or 3 fatal crashes. You have to wonder if it played a role here too.
It's not mentioned in the ICAO report, but it's quite plausible to me, given the Korean accident history, that one of the crew noticed something was wrong, but didn't speak up for fear of being overruled. Sadly we'll never know for sure, but you'd hope that modern CRM training would make such occurrences less likely.
@@GreenDotAviation yeah mate I read about this a long time ago but a non Korean bought the airline for peanuts after several fatal accidents and put that training into effect. AFAIK they have been fine ever since
That study was in the book outliers I think
@@keitsukishima5808 yes you're right!
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This was almost 40 years ago. I was a new assistant professor and a very professional and dedicated aviation investigator showed up at my office with a tape of the KAL 007 last transmission to Narita airport in Tokyo. It was HF radio, weak and distorted, but he could have been saying "rapid depressurization." We worked really hard trying to make that voice more intelligible, but we couldn't. But we were able to synchronize this recording with other recordings, such as from Adak US Air Force base in Alaska and from KAL 015. We made a composite tape from these. I hope the investigators, US, ICAO, and/or Russian Federation were helped by our composite tape. Back then there were so many conspiracy theories that I lost track. There were articles and books such as: Pearson, *Kal 007 - The Cover Up* and Brun, *Incident at Sakhalin.* There was even a conference at my University to discuss the various theories. Your video nicely covered the 2 most likely theories as to why this flight was tragically off course.
@@Earthbound369 2 extremes of intelligence displayed here; 1 detailed report from an assistant professor.
Very interesting & well researched. The other from an idiot YT troll. Who only knows one word.
Giving the K007 crew the benefit of the doubt, is it possible there was a slow pressure leak that left them bereft of oxygen slowly getting worse over time? And by the time they noticed, it was so bad, that's why they thought it was "rapid" depressurization? Or was that in response to being shot down? I just have a hard time with EVERYONE on the crew being lazy or suicidal. Do you think being mildly hypoxic for a long time might explain what happened? It's just unfortunate we don't have enough evidence to make a sure determination
@@morgan4574 Excuse me for butting in here. I don't think hypoxia is a reason for negligence. Did they have black boxes in 1983? If so, they would record a massive decompression, which would be evidence enough.
Also, the CVR would record the pilot's conversations. I don't think anyone is suggesting the crew were suicidal. I've never heard that before! Lazy, unprofessional, & incompetent - yes. Very much so!
I read a good article in GEO, (the German equivalent of National Geographic) which was excellent. Apparently the crew were chatting about what they were going to do in Seoul on their 1-2 day stop-over, as pilots do.
They were in good spirits. NOT suicidal. The captain had (according to the video) flown this route many times before. Therefore he knew how dangerous it would be to stray in Soviet airspace, & should have been even MORE cautious, not less. The GEO article also gave a good description of the American AWACS (?) spy plane; what they were doing in sneaking over the boundary & flying loops or figure of 8s, then clearing off before the Soviets could scramble a fight interceptor. What the Soviets, to their horror!, saw on the radar screen, was not a stoopid US spy plane doing loops, but a big plane, possibly a bomber (!) heading in a straight line direct for Vladivostok! That's why they panicked on Sakhalin. It wasn't just frustration. They had at all costs to identify this intruder. The article made this clear. I can't remember the journalist's name.
Another point mentioned, was that the Soviet fighter (Osipov??) had 2 differing missiles, 1 heat-seeking, & the other magnetic? / radar?? Not sure. Anyway he fired the heat-seeking one, but it missed, so then he fired the other one, which hit. I think if the heat-seeker had hit an engine, it wouldn't necessarily have brought down the plane. However the massive decompression was catastrophic. Speculation, speculation....................
@@boomerang0101
In a strange coincidence, I can answer this for you.
If it's the same Les Atlas that started at University of Washington's computer and electrical engineering in 1984, then he's not lying... I've come across him before, but I can't tell you how.
Or I guess someone could be pretending to be him, but that's a pretty weird scenario to imagine.
Anyway, he's pretty well known in the field and regularly called on for his expertise in signals processing etc. It's not a big pool of experts in that scene.
@@boomerang0101 Whatever loser, Les is a real professor of electrical engineering and has done good work for the folks I work for in the past.
You're nothing with nothing to add. I'm just clearing it up for the people who might be wondering, Les Atlas is who he says he is.
We were stationed @ Anderson AFB in Guam when this happened. Dad was a SAC B-52 radar navigator, the perfect military specimen to fly around with nuclear weapons. He never let on about the stress/pressures he was working under as they were top secret but we went from having him home between alerts (twice a month) to he wasn’t home the next morning when we woke up & was gone for months. Man I wish I could ask Dad about this specific time period, sadly he passed very young at 56.
Safety is written in blood. Then, now and forever.
Well, you could find a cheaper print I guess, if not for the Russians insisting it this way.
My parents were on Flight 15. They talked about it when I was really young. They had interacted with those passengers in the terminal in Anchorage. I’ve always wanted to hear a good breakdown of what happened. Thanks for the great content!!
how did you parents reacted to KAL 007 being shot down
Then your parents are dead and you are lying
Wow..
Wait wtf me too my parents were also on Flight 15 and also talked about it when I was really young and I actually always wanted to hear a good breakdown of it as well, golly talk about a small world.....
@@charaznable8072 dang what a coincidence
How the crew of flight 007 slept on the job commiting small mistakes and negligence is beyond me.. I feel sorry for the unfortunate souls.
@cockmcballs4577let me guess. The jet carries a cia agent who is supposed to be dropping into Soviet territory at the hopes that the reds will identify the airliner and not shoot it down and the captain was supposedly bribed a huge sum of to be feign incompetence?
It was a spy plane.
What you want to see, expect to see, and actually see, depends on varying circumstances. One doesn't actually know, as one was not there. It's all too easy to lay the blame at others otherwise, more so, for those who can no longer speak for themselves ;) RIP all.
It was the communist Soviets who murdered the crew and passengers, then obfuscated and lied about their hideous crime.
@@user-qw6zj5ix9kof course it was.
Considering how many year’s experience these guys had on this route, I would say “experience laziness”
“I know this route so we’ll and done it so many times, I know what I’m doing. I can do it in my sleep”
I once heard someone once say “it isn’t the new guys that get hurt or cause errors/mistakes, rather the experienced guys do because they get lazy in their duties
Exactly 💯 correct. Combination of Complacency and laziness egotistical men who think they know it all and cannot be questioned or challenged. To think that we as passengers are putting our lives in these people's hands is frightening 😮
After binge watching these videos I'm developing a fear of ever getting on a plane again.😮
The reason is as your work gets more repetitive, your brain finds it more and more mechanical and switches off without enough breaks. When that happens you can start making easy mistakes. It never becomes less likely to make a careless mistake, only more.
" complacency"
Since their plane was skirting the buffer zone and Soviet air space, there was no room for complacency. I remember reading about a pilot, who was later murdered by his wife, saying that his senses would become the most heightened, when everything felt the safest.
I agree
I love watching these videos and feel so bad for it because of the loss of life but my grandpa who I still live with is an airplane mechanic and owns a small plane so I just spent all new years eve telling him all the high level info about aviation disasters and he knows absolutely everything about everything I bring up, always matching your videos it's so fun to talk with him he's so smart. I used to do flight simulator on late 90s or early 2000s on our computer and I would just crash all the time cuz I suck, but I loved playing and trying
You have a awesome grandpa
badass grandpa
Thank you ❤️ he worked for US airways and quit before they filed bankruptcy and works out of a private owned hanger. One of the private planes that is held there is Michael Jordan's which I find amazing 😂
Your grandpa most likely loves your conversations
I can't lie, I love these longer videos
Good to know! I'm thinking of continuing to make the longer ones
@@GreenDotAviation I'll be looking forward to that
@@GreenDotAviationyes, please do 🙏🏽
Bruh u beat me to it cuz everytime he uploads i look at the runtime...the shorter ones I try to stretch out by rewinding...i mean more than usual since these things are so good i constantly rewind anyway
@@GreenDotAviationoh I'm most definitely with that..i play the shorter ones in slow mo to get all i can
I am a student Pilot and I was studying for my Instrumentation ATPL exam, and was trying to understand the PFD and Flight mode anunciator panel. I was having a hard time and just decided to take a break and watch a documentary. And you Sir, in your documentary, describe the working principals behind each event so beautifully, I was amazed. Couldn't have come at a better time !!!! Cheers man and thanks !!
As a fellow student pilot I’m delighted to hear that 🙏🏼
Wow!! Glad this helped you in your piloting career!!
@@GreenDotAviation I didn't know you were a pilot...wishing you luck and happiness in the skies!
@@juliemanarin4127 Thank you kindly!
@@GreenDotAviationnow that’s dedication to the RUclips channel! Haha!
The lack of the "sterile cockpit" was also a factor. The pilots were amicably chatting about non-related subjects when they should have been attending to business like checking instruments and settings.
That flight 007 strayed way too far off course, even worse still is the fact the crew was completely oblivious to their own flight plan made no correction and remained in the dark until it was too late.
I don’t think any of that was a coincidence!
It sure seems like a definite recon mission CAMOUFLAGED as civilian plane.
Plus, two planes of the same flight flying 3 minutes away from each other?!
Yeah. Boo-hoo!!! 😒🙄🙄
Who still believes in fairytales?
Just want to say you're my absolute favorite aviation RUclipsr. The suspense you put in your narration combined with the music and visuals are astounding. Keep it up!
Love to hear this 😊 Glad you're enjoying the videos, much more on the way
@@GreenDotAviation
Sitting there for 10,000 hrs it's a wonder they were ever awake !😅
He's in my top 2 along with Mentour Pilot and i go back and forth on who's my favorite but right now it's my man right here
You may also like another aviation youtube channel called Mentour pilot
Hmm.. quick food for thought...
If all plane safety features are perfected, meaning no more crashes, wouldn't that kill this and other channels like this
Thanks for such a detailed breakdown of this tragedy. I think the main failure to stay on course was straight-up complacency. These pilots were, IMO, way too relaxed & laid back with a flight plan so near Soviet airspace at that time in history. It is really unbelievable how they missed so many cues...especially when they couldn't reach ATC by radio more than once. For the large loss of life on this flight, it is frustrating to know the pilots were so wrapped up in their own world.
Victim blaming, dude go away Russia has always been a pos country
It sure seems like recon mission CAMOUFLAGED as civilian plane.
Plus, two planes of the same flight flying 3 minutes away from each other?!
Yeah. Boo-hoo!!! 😒🙄🙄
Who still believes in fairytales?
It seems incredible that when the flight was cleared to BETHEL VOR, the pilots did not fill in the INS with the BETHEL Lat and Long, the use the INS to take them there. It is impossible to cross the Pacific or the Atlantic without cross checking the 3 INS systems at each way point and check any cross track error if you are following SOPs. BETHEL could have been tuned on the on board VORs at as well so that it would register when in range. When flying on an INS track, even and you drift off the track that was inserted a flashing light will warn you that the plane is off track by 10 nm or more. My guess is this: On the older versions of the INS the control switch , after putting in the present position, was kept in ALIGN mode. This switch was on the pilots' panels just above their heads when facing forward. Before starting engines this swich was moved to NAV position for the INS navigation system to function. forgetting to do this would cause all 3 INS to go off. It would take a further 18 minutes to realign the INS's and cause an embarrasing delay. To avoid this the pilots may have put the INS into a mode where theynwould get their Attitude Indicator but no navigation infromation. For an ocean flight this would have been a very unwise decision and the 18 minute delay should have been accepted. Now they would have to fly in HEADING mode and trust to the flight plan winds as being accurate. A huge error,if they were in this condition, would be to not overfly BETHEL VOR and get a positive fix. As they continued the error when flying on HEADING mode increased. In this condition, and knowing that they could enter a Soviet sensitive area with all its dangers, they could have used their weather radar (2 of them) to ange down to pick up the Kamchaka penninsula as the only land that would be near their route. These radars had a range of 300 miles for weather targets and would certainly have picked up land from 100 nm away. They would have had ample time to turn south to avoid Kamchaka. This tragedy was due to gross errors on the part of the aircrew, Contributing to this was the Boeing 747 check list that called for switching off the Logo light on the tail fin after passing 10,000 ft in climb and on again when descending through 10 000 ft. Perhaps seeing the Logo of an airliner might have given the Soviet Air Force pilots a reason to be hesitant to open fire.After this I always kept the logo light on my aircraft all the time in flight. Capt. "Johnny" Sadiq. Flew the 747 -200 for 15 years and was a Chief Pilot and Instructor on the type with 7500 hours in command on that aircraft.
Yes, I did metrology for the USAF and the inertial systems are a lot more involved and hands on than most people assume. They are vastly inferior to modern navigational systems. We still use them in some military applications as a backup to GPS and with modern computers they're self aligned mostly with it but setting up the calibration equipment for the older stuff could be a headache.
I thought you had to be a pilot when reading this and you are!
If you listen to the interview with the Soviet pilot, Osipovich, he spoke very proudly of this. He mentioned that he could see the double row of windows and knew it was a Boeing, but didn’t care cause he figured it’d be easy to convert a 47 into a military airplane and didn’t relay the message to his superiors. He also said that while he was thinking of how to bring down the airplane, he had to rule out ramming the airplane as it should only be used as a last ditch effort.
The guy was unintelligent. I doubt logo lights would have helped his thought process, or lack thereof.
@@logandurham828 What ever the Russian fighter pilot thought was irrelevant. He took his orders from a ground controller who in turn took his orders from an officer of higher rank. If the pilot had seen a logo on the 747s tail, and reported it to control it MIGHT have some reservations about giving the order to shoot. The Russians were influenced to some extent by the US surveillance aircraft in the vicinity. During the Gulf wars all civil aircraft flying at night near the battle zone had to keep their logo lights on.
@@Daniela-Christianson Ain't no pulling the wool over Daniela's eyes 👀! Sorry' I just couldn't resist the wee cheeky 'cheap shot' .. 🍻
Awesome. video. yet so sad. Almost mad. So many people had been lost over something that could have been avoided. Looking forward to more of the videos you make. thank you.
It's very obvious that there's a whole lot of hard work goes into researching and producing these videos. The quality of the visuals seems to improve with each new video and your diction is exceptionally clear and easy to understand. If this channel isn't the best aviation channel on RUclips, and it may well be, it's certainly among the best. Great work. Thanks for the video.
Very kind of you to say 🙏🏼
I have never been a patron member on any channel...even Led Zeppelin reactor channels...who doesn't love Zeppelin right? But I'm considering yours!
@@juliemanarin4127there’s so much more work and talent that goes into a channel like GreenDotAviation than goes into a reaction channel lol hopefully if you ever have to make the decision on where your patronage would go you’ll take factors like this into account
@@GreenDotAviation
Thank you.
May God bless and keep you in your piloting career, and lead you to SALVATION bamp!
Peace be unto you.
I'd venture that negligence over the whole trip kind of makes sense. Certain aspects of Korean culture, from my understanding, seem to be focused on not rocking the boat and keeping to appearances. Look at the behavior around the Sewol Ferry disaster. A ferry full of children capsized, and one thing rescuers tried to do was to connect an air hose under the boat to supply them with air while they worked on another plan. The divers were unable to do that, but they claimed that they succeeded because the president was watching. One, or some of the pilots may have done something similar. They may have made a mistake but did not want to announce that for fear of causing trouble and looking bad in front of the other pilots, so they just kept quiet because everything was good up until then.
Saving face culture is absolutely horrible. These kinds of things are bound to happen when it's normalized to ignore or hide problems.
My blood was boiling hearing about all the safety checks they missed.
The Sewol tragedy mimics the cultural norms of KAL007 neatly.
Similar situation to the Korean Cargo plane that crashed after taking off from Stansted, the culture was the issue.
Although, even if that's the case, they could've still fixed their path without telling the other crew. I feel like the pilots should know the dangers of flying into Soviet airspace at the time
Politley say "Excuse me captain the instruments indicate that we are in Russian airspace"
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Hmm, MH17...
Dang man you really fried the pilots of 007 with your speculations. They were just doing as they were ordered.. If you want to hear the real story check out my comment on the video you posted about it. Don't blame you for not knowing but I think you should remake the video to highlight the actual cause of this tragedy.
Please do the Iran Air flight 655
I think another important thing bearing consideration is whether the pilots had a history of ignoring intended fly paths for the "shortest possible" route.
This has probably already been explored by investigators, but I haven't seen it mentioned before and it might be an indicator as to whether or not this was an uncommon occurrence or not.
It doesn't explain why the captain put more fuel in than was necessary though.
A couple of books that discuss this are _'Incident at Sakhalin',_ by Michel Brun and _'1983: the World at the Brink',_ by Taylor Downing.
The 'shortest route' assumption would have been way beyond any risk the Korean pilots would have been prepared to take _under normal circumstances._ It would have taken them west of the Kurile Island chain and directly into Soviet airspace.
I was a kid when this happened and remember how big of a deal it was. A lot of adults were convinced WW3 was about to pop off. Growing up during that time was strange. Pretty much everyone convinced that at any given moment everything was going to end.
It's closer to ending now
@@brianbanks7685How exactly?
@@HuyNguyen-ll9gzit’s all the same, there’s wars in the 80s, so is present day. Threat of nuclear annihilation is still real in modern day when there is people like Putin and Kim Jong Un who get a little pissed and would bring out the big Nuke stick.
You mean like now?
RUclips decided I must be bored of boat-related incidents and aviation accidents are next. They weren't wrong, I've binged almost this entire channel.
What are good channels for boat accidents?
Same
@@taco1010Brick Immortar, Maritime Horrors, Casual Navigation, Big Old Boats
Honestly it is difficult to blame the Soviets in this instance. Those pilots made so many errors, Cold War tensions were so high, and the RC-135 being where it was just sealed the deal
Wow, just found this channel, super amazing videos and information!!
Best Aviation related content I've seen. This channel has made me way more interested in the level of understanding involved in flying an aircraft.
Thanks so much 🙏🏼 Delighted that these videos have made you more interested in aviation :)
@@GreenDotAviation thanks 😊
Great video. It will be interesting to see your coverage of other commercial airliners unfortunately lost in conflict zones such as Iran Air Flight 655, Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752...
Thank you for this very well structured video...I hadn't heard of this particular event before. Great channel!!
Incredible video! 💕 Thank you for this! 😊
In the last few days of July 1983, while in the Marine Corps, my unit was sent from Camp Fuji (Mt. Fuji) to Yokosuka Navy base to board the USS Tripoli on our way to South Korea. After being out at sea for a few hours on August 1st, we were dispatched to the northern part of The Sea Of Japan to hunt for debris or survivors from this incident. We did NOT find anything and went to dock at a civilian port in Hokkaido. I remember this like it was yesterday.
No wreckage, no nothing? Oil slick, hydraulic fluid, etc? That's wild
No wonder you found fuck all. The incident was a month after
But the accident happened on September 1st, they send you a whole month in advance?
I was in the Navy and we just left Japan heading for Australia when they shot down the plane!!
We spent 72 days at sea looking for the black box off of Russias biggest port Vladivostok!!!
You weren't even close in the sea of Japan!!!
USS BADGER FF-1071
@@luiskp7173Well...that explains why they didn't find anything.
I've known about this incident most of my life but never before have I experienced such a detailed and in-depth account. Incredibly well done and fascinating! Thank You!
I just found your channel and I gotta say, I’m Addicted lol. I’ve been binge watching all of your videos. Keep up the great work. You got yourself a new subscriber!
Welcome! Many more videos to come!
I love your intro! The music sounds so mysterious and sets the mood just perfectly 😌
I'm always so excited when these new videos come out. Me and my girlfriend are big fans and usually watch these during dinner. Keep up the amazing work!
Delighted to hear it!
This is a scary encounter! Quite unfortunate for the souls onboard. Pilots are meant to be smart and catch dumb errors like these quickly not unless they intended to fly the wrong course... Sad story
@drt1605 I am too...I'm in .you 60s. This was a scary time and a terrible tragedy that never should have happened!
It's the Soviets fault for shooting planes
@@everythingponynato doesn’t routinely shoot down Soviet spy aircraft
@@everythingpony Soviets shouldn't have been so quick to shoot it down, yeah, but this was the Cold War and they found spy planes flying next to their borders all the time. They should have been able to identify a civilian aircraft yeah but the aircraft was so far off course the Soviets didn't know what to make of this.
Blame isn't entirely on the Soviets as the pilots should have known they were so far off course to begin with.
Deliberate error under control of the CIA.
Excellent presentation here. Consummate work!
On the dreadful behaviour of the Soviets, it is worth remembering that in 1988 the USS Vincennes, a brand new Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruiser with all the latest gear, shot down Iran Air Flight 655 in the middle of the day, after committing a list of errors as long as your arm, while being filmed on the bridge by a US media documentary crew. Tensions were high at this time; in this case the US vessel was in the middle of a military skirmish with Iran. During the 1980s, stupid mistakes were made on both sides by commanders who should have shown calmer heads and better judgement.
Soviets were at fault, as usual communism kills the innocent for no reasons
So much doesn’t add up! This was a highly monitored airspace not only by the Russians but by the Americans who would 100% been monitoring a way of coarse passenger jet. The US RC-15 spy plane would certainly have been following flight 007 with great interest. Did the Americans let Korean 007 continue its coarse to test the Russians defences and combat response?
You did scrub a lot of the story off. Such as Iran using civilian squawk code to attack US vessels which prompted to US soldiers identifying any plane as hostile until they had confirmation it is a civilian aircraft. Furthermore, the commander was not the one who issued the order but a captain. The captain made the right call, because he was told by navigation officer that an aircraft who represented a military jet with civilian squawk code was descending towards the vessel and based on that information the captain made the call to shoot it down. As far as we know USS Vincennes did contact Iran Flight 655 on international communications but the aircraft ignored all orders to deviate from the path of the US vessel. Furthermore Iran is known for not following ANY international laws, conventions ignored and they are designated as war criminals in a lot of countries. While we do not have the testimony of the crew or passengers for obvious reasons, we cannot blame either party. I will however go into my subjective territory where I will blame the Iran Airforce for using civilian squawk codes for their military jets to destroy US vessels, this was the sole reason why US even considered Iran Flight 655 as a potential threat. It is undeniable that there might be discrepancy of the testimony of the crew aboard the vessel, as apparently the plane was ascending and not descending, while the radar according to the navigation officer on his part showed it was descending. However, the captain and the navigation officer were both awarded with some form of medal, which I cannot recall for their deeds.
Not REMOTELY the same thing
@@medojed8266this kids is what we call “bias”. Lmao at least try and be impartial
I'd love to know more about the other Korean Air that was shot down and managed to land!
And I couldn't agree more with all the other comments about this channel. I'm always so happy when a new informative, suspenseful (but not sensationalized) and thought provoking episode drops. Thank you!
The plane right behind this one? I don't think it was shot at or is there yet another one?
@@juliemanarin4127 A Korean 707 was shot down earlier in 1978. They managed to land it on a frozen lake
Thank you! I may well cover that at some point. I've looked into it a bit and it's an incredible story.
In case anyone is curious, that plane was Korean Airlines Flight 902: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_902
I have to admit that I've never been interested in aviation-like topic and I found Your channel just recently, around 2-3 days ago by RUclips recommendation. I'm so glad I decided to play Your video cuz now I'm kind of addicted to listen all of these stories- and even tho english isn't my mother language I have no problems with undestanding what's going on, thanks to Your explanations. Can't wait for another upload from Ya, once again- thanks a lot and keep going, Youre awesome! :D
Your videos are absolutely fantastic. I have zero flight experience, no one in my family or friends have anything to do with planes, but this is truly fantastic work. Great story telling, visuals, everything!
I just found this channel! Awesome job!
God, it was so annoying how foolish these pilots were and how easy it was for them to fix the mistakes that caused disaster. Human negligence is always aggravating
I'm new to this channel and think this episode is FANTASTIC. The first 20 seconds are GENIUS, incredible, and excellently crafted. Riveting, engaging and attention-grabbing!
Thanks!
He makes great content!
Agree, it pulled me in nicely
I'm impressed by the quality of these documentaries. Thanks for the video!
Great video. I remember this incident well. But I learned more than I ever knew from you. Liked and subscribed.
This was my favourite one to date, absolutely love these videos, especially the longer run time!
Thanks, we put a lot of work into this one so I’m glad it paid off 🙏🏼
I was just showing my dad the video of the Kazakh and Saudi plane that you made. I was intrigued by why you hadn't uploaded in a while, and somehow in the morning you answered and dropped this video! As always, great quality. Even my dad was amazed by the amazing content you put out here for free!
Green Dot, your vlog was so educational and informative. It held my interest for the entire duration.
Once again, fantastic job!
I believe a great explanation is that they did put the AP in INS mode as they passed BET, but as they were already so off course, the AP never actually switched to INS mode and instead just continued on the "armed" state awaiting the plane to intercept the original route. From my understanding, the plane must be within 1 NM of its course to switch ( at least on more modern planes ). Thus the plane just continued on the heading they originally selected when traveling to BET. The rest is how you described, ignoring sign after sign they were going off course until finally being intercepted.
Yes, this is another possible theory. In fact, the autopilot can take up the course as long as it’s within 7.5nm of the route. So if this is what happened, the pilots were already quite far off course when they engaged INS mode.
@@GreenDotAviationAccording to the video at 9:25, they were 12nm north of the beacon as they passed it. So, if they switched to INS then, they'd have been outside that 7.5nm, and only an increasing distance after. It certainly sounds plausible?
@@bearcubdaycare Exactly. It's definitely plausible, and it would explain them not noticing that the plane was off course, as they would trust that it was following the INS like it had always done. Unfortunately we'll never know for sure.
If you arm the INS mode on the autopilot , you always put the VOR/INS switch to INS (on the front panel) to check what the INS is doing. It will show any off track error if the proper track has been already entered before push back. All they had to do to get on track would be to make a 45 degree interception course to the left in Heading mode until the course indicator centered and then engage autopilot to INS. My theory is that they were flying without the INS working in navigation mode and using Heading mode.
When an AP on the 747-200 is switched INS mode, another switch is put into INS display . This display would instantly show that the plane was off course. If they did not do this it would then be in Nav mode display which (out of range of ground VOR stations) would display a VOR picture with a constantly flicking red flag, showing that it was not getting a VOR nav signal. I think that they forgot to put the INS' in NAV mode when pushing back and would not accept the 18 minute delay needed to re align it ( to "save face.")Then they had to fly in Heading Mode and did not take precautions when doing so.
Your videos are so informative and detailed. You narrate it in such an phenomenal way. Keep up the good work!
Glad you like them!
This was a great video. One of the best and most interesting I’ve seen lately. Thank you 🙏 ❤
Great video brother! First time watching, you gained a subscriber!
Unfortunately, doctors also fall into the same Confirmation Biases as some become too desensitized.
Once when I was an Aircraft Ground Dispatcher, I made my SOP to time my walkie-talkie clock to the aircraft's chronometer so that I can match my ground handling performance with the published time of the aircraft's onboard digital clock. I notice A330-200 was almost 15 minutes in advance. I alerted the Captain and he simply shrugged his shoulders by looking at his Breitling watch and said "Well I always keep my watch 25 minutes ahead" Surprinsly Co-Pilot who was also wearing the same show-off expensive Breitling had a similar non-aligned time and he too was off-timed! I looked at my reliable & cheap Casio & worked on the published schedule. However, I reported this incident to the base control that there was a possibility of flight delay allocation as the A330-200 cockpit chronometer is incorrect.
The aircraft pushed back the ACARS timing came out as per the aircraft's digital clock. I was trying to figure out how to allocate this delay: What evidence do I have other than relaying a message to the base control? Interestingly, after 15 minutes returned back to the stand as the Flight deck crew noticed the malfunctioning of the GPS which was also in conjunction with the chronometer. I went into the cockpit and this time Capating embarrassingly accepted his mistake (Confirmation Bias). The aircraft was fixed and departed with an hour-long delay. However, this time I allocated the delay to the Captain's mistake.
Great story telling, I really enjoyed this video! Keep it up
Glad you enjoyed it! Much more to come :)
The production quality and storytelling is simply amazing! Love it
Thanks so much! 🙏🏼
Mate, your explanation of complex terms like Heading Mode & NAV Mode was excellent. A very sad incident though but your video reconstructed it well.
This story really infuriates me because the unprofessionalism of these pilots cost the lives of many.
I'm furious because it cost America the last great statesman this country has seen...Congressman Lawrence Patton McDonald (GA). Devoutly anti-communist, and the last man that knew and obeyed the letter of the US Constitution. Others come close, Ron Paul, comes to mind, but Larry Patton was gold. For those interested read _We Hold These Truths_
@@ole5539 Nah Lawrence McDonald, from what I've read, reads like a classic right wing lunatic who gave the country nothing.
The russians are way more at fault. The russian pilot said he knew it was not a spy plane but wanted a kill. He was interviewed after the fall of the wall.
Harsh. They simply lost track of time and thought they were safely following the route, accompanied by a pleasant chatter. I can imagine the cozy atmosphere.
It's extremely hard to blame anyone in this tragic accident tbh, humans are prone to falling for illusions and pilots are humans, too.
And as we learned, the Soviets seemed to also fall for their own illusions and biases (and the pressure from their higher ups who demanded results, sadly).
Tragic.
I agree, such unprofessional pilots should not be given weapons.
These well detailed videos (which I missed) are nostalgic. It's like looking at an HD picture instead of a low definition picture.
Oh, Green Dot Aviation, that was a MAGNIFICENT WORK! Thank you so much! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Such a big fan of your videos! I've been keeping a close eye out each day for your latest upload and I was buzzing when I was it here tonight! And it didn't disappoint! Love your content and I hope you keep up the great work! Loving the longer videos too! Thanks so much for all the effort you put it!
I’m delighted you’re enjoying them so much! More on the way ✈️
Always love seeing these when they come out. It's very interesting.
Ive been a Mentour Pilot guy for like 2 years, but this is impressive. Keep up the good work
I have seen older videos about this incident, but this video gets in a lot more facts and explanations. Im now astonished that a previous airliner had been shot down belonging to KAL and these pilots in the 747 were so negligent in not knowing their location or failing to verify as per their own procedures, or were trying to take some kind of "short cut".
There is no way they tried to take a shortcut. They knew perfectly well that would take them into Soviet and even North Korean airspace. Add in that it would require not one but three people to conspire to risk their lives... for what? Arriving a couple of minutes early?
your channel is one of the best discoveries i've made on this website. brilliant video; i love the longer formats
Thank you! Glad you’re enjoying the videos :)
Your videos just keep getting better and better! You have a gift for storytelling and the graphics were great as well. Now I feel I can really understand this accident. Thanks! This might be your best one yet!
Thank you! I'm always trying to make these events understandable as they are often either over-simplified or told in a confusing way.
Dude I love your channel and breakdowns so much it’s making me want to go into aviation.
Love these these extra details
Your storytelling skills are top notch. I've watched many of your videos, along with others, and a recurring theme is how a small error can lead to huge consequences. Life lessons, for sure.
Absolutely, flying can be quite unforgiving. Glad you're enjoying the videos
ok so i've binged so many of your videos in a questionable amount of time but this has to be one of my favourites so far! i love the longer form videos, but any length is really enough as long as your happy, healthy and keep uploading great content :)
this was very interesting, and very well prepared. thank you.
I really enjoy watching your videos, Look forward to more.
First time hearing about this incident, very tragic outcome. Your story telling is phenomenal, very engaging!
There just simply can't be a better aviation channel out there!
Mentour Pilot easily ties with Green Dot, I would think
@@alexv3357Mentour is thorough but I find his narration a bit too high-energy. His videos don't have that relaxing documentary quality.
Disaster Breakdown is just as good as Green Dot
@@alexv3357aren't they the same person? Just different channels 😂😂
@@chopsticksforlegs No, different people. Mentour Pilot has an aviation news channel called Mentour Now, which is probably what you're thinking of
My ship was the first US ship to go looking for the black box! I was on the fast frigate USS BADGER FF-1071 and we were heading to Australia when they shot down the Korean airliner!!!
We went back to Japan and got some missiles that were nukes and then headed up to Siberia!!!
We spent 72 days being chased by Soviet ships the entire time when they could keep up!!!
Sure messed up that Westpac but we got a ribbon for it!!!
We lost our helicopter during this and a Coast guard ship picked up our pilots!!!
That was the coldest place I've been!!!
Oldies but goldies for me. I flew many times on NOPAC between Anchorage or Fairbanks and Japan on "classic" 747. Navigation had to be strictly monitored...Good illustrative video .
Having watched a few different versions of this story, I like the your choice to layout the narrative and chronicle the mistakes along way rather than splitting them into two chunks and retelling the narrative again and again. That being said, I'm also enjoying your longer format video! Great jorb again!
Thanks! This seemed like the more appropriate format for the story to me
Great jorb
Thank you! Your narration and visual presentation are exceptionally done. This video is also very informative but amazingly clear and easy to understand for non pilots. I especially love your explanation on the INS/NAV. Cheers!
You demonstrated your brilliance in this video explaining every detail God rest their souls thank you for sharing 🙏🙏🙏
Brilliant analysis...ta chap!✌️
Dude this is such a great, informative video. Absolutely love your longer videos, especially how high quality they are! Keep it up dude!
Thank you!
RIP
To the passengers and crew of Korean Air Lines Flight 007
Great explanation. Thank you.
Great video!
Very well explained and fascinating . It is true that KAL had an appalling safety record at this time with a military hierarchical gung hoo attitude in the cockpit . Another proposition was that the initial ANC stand coordinates were incorrectly inscribed into the INS systems and therefore could explain the wayward course of the aircraft .
Yup that’s the story I’m familiar with -INS was NOT calibrated in Anchorage.
Enjoyed this episode a great deal! Thanks for putting out the best documentaries on these accidents! Now I am really curious about the story of the second KAL shooting that had this miraculous outcome. Any chance you would cover that as well in one of your future episodes? Anyway, already looking forward to your next video! :)
Excellent video.
You are seriously amazing.
Very excited to watch keep up the great work!
Hope you enjoy it! :)
Great job and thank you for presenting an objective view on what actually happened.
great video. thanks.
This content be contentin 👌🏼
Thank you so much for all the effort and time you put in to showcase the content for us , it was quite a chilling clip 😮
Green dot aviation has become my best aviation channel. Thank you for making such informative videos.
You are very welcome 😊
A very detailed follow-up of the tragic incident. I liked it!
Largely worthed waiting for this! Congratulations!!!
Much appreciated!