I wasn't a big fan of that too. My guess is that the developers wanted to give the game more replayability and longevity by tying their powers to Karma.
@@lunarnocturne Personally feel it would've been interesting to have a variety of abilities you could get from both/either. But then you select based on how much carnage you think they'd do if you want to play hero or villain.
I've been playing throught both games on PS Premium, and man. Just, man. I think I love them even more than I did a decade ago. At this point, my #1 wish for Sony is really just a remaster or a remake of these games (imagine inFAMOUS 1 with actual cutscenes!). As an aside, I know this video's a bit old now, but I really appreciate seeing people still talk about these games. These games weren't "underrated" per say, but it's always sort of bothered me how forgotten they've become over time. So thanks for the video, I appreciate the any and all discussion about these games nowadays.
I'm glad you got some newfound enjoyment out of the games! And yeah it's not underrated. Hell, it managed to get recognized by Sony and be included in their marketing campaigns. That's a good sign of success right there. And I'd like these games to be remastered since theyve been locked to the PS3 for so long. It would also bring new fans to the franchise as well!
This was a fucking great ride. I missed the original two games and only played Second Son and First Light, so this was a handy way to get clued up on what I missed. Stellar work, Lunar, and enjoy your break.
Yeah you're not alone. Second Son and First Light brought in a lot of newcomers and I'm glad my videos were able to get you up to speed on what happened in the previous entries! I'm glad you enjoyed!
I still got time before going to work and i cant power up the stereo cause ppl are resting so instead imma watch some infamous, ill enjoy this with a cup of whatever drink i find in the fridge and chill, thank you for making this video king
I just experienced the story of Cole MacGrath in two videos of yours. And I felt some things despite not getting the full experience myself. But man, what a amazing series of games. I wish I had learned about it sooner. Great video man.
Thanks man! I've always wanted to cover these games in-depth on my channel because I have such a great love for them! I'm glad my videos moved you in such a way! The Second Son vid is in the works. Stay tuned! Thank you so much!
Thanks man! That theme always got to every time I played this game. Never fails to bring a tear to my eye. Can't wait to bring out more video essays too!
I know this was years ago, but I have to say it's so interesting to see alternative views on the ending. I myself see the evil ending as being the better choice to make if we're looking at it without hindsight of the outcome. With good, there's no guarantee the plague will be cured, Wolfe didn't tell cole that it'd kill all conduits, just that it'd kill the beast. What else was he not telling him? That would leave no conduits to save the world, with humanity dying off. Meanwhile, the evil ending gives a guarantee that at least some will survive. The population will drop a lot, yes, but that is far better than the fair possibility that the RFI will do nothing good. Of course, with hindsight we know the good ending is the better one to take but it's an interesting thought.
Very good points! In a way, Wolfe pretty much lied to Cole and everybody else about what the RFI was capable of. Plus you're also right about the fact that Wolfe himself can't guarantee that the RFI will wipe out the Plague. Has he done other trials, etc? And yeah, from Evil Cole's perspective, the Evil Ending is a necessary evil in order to ensure humanity keeps living on.
Mhm! I think arguably it makes sense for good cole to even consider taking what's considered the more evil route for the betterment of humanity as a whole.
Throwing a car does much more damage than the grenades or the megawatthamer. It's more useful against enemies like helicopters or that big swam monster that you need to hit in the mouth, who are pretty hard to hit with multiple grenades or rockets.
When i was a kid i played the shit outta infamous 1 and 2 and i loved it to the point cole was on the same level as mainstream as fuck superheroes and seeing him die for the greater good of saving the world of a plague of basically acute radiation poisoning of 9000 msv made me fucking cry back then especially since the alternative was killing his best friend and becoming what he was meant to destroy
Cole definitely has the attitude, abilities, and appearance of a mainstream superhero! I also like how, I dunno, ordinary he looked. He didn't have a fancy costume- just street clothes. That ending broke my heart when I first saw it at 12 years old. It was the first time I got to see a protagonist die and it shattered my expectation that the hero should live no matter what.
Personally I play good in the first game but try to save Trish instead of the doctors. I think this starts a breakdown where he finally goes over the edge after finding out he's Kessler. So I start with good karma in 2 and slowly go towards the beast ending through brutal effectiveness Kessler got the killed he wanted but in doing so turned that man into the beast.
Yeah when I played Infamous 1, I chose to save Trish first because I thought that that'd be the only thing going through Cole's mind because he's been through so much with her. What makes it hurt more is that the relationship between the two was JUST repaired.
Man it always bugged me that Cole would give Zeke an inch of trust after the events of infamous 1. He definitely steps up and comes into his own more here in the sequel, but he's still a little sleazy, using his relationship with Cole to pick up chicks and stuff.
Dude was ready to kill thousands of more people and ruin more lives just because he was jealous of Cole. Thank goodness the comics exist or else the relationship being repaired between Cole and Zeke would've been completely baffling (granted, not a lot of people even got their hands on those comics). Not only that, but I didn't cover it in this vid, but Cole gets slightly concerned about Zeke when he shows up in that Militia armor too, saying that he still doesn't trust him after the events of Empire City.
You're right, its been a while since I played. I forgot that Cole was actually nervous when Zeke joined the militia. I always knew there were comics and I vaguely remember scrolling through one online. Maybe I should go back and play the first 2 these games are pretty special
Yeah the comics add a lot of closure for what happens at the end of the first game because the the endings for both Karma paths were pretty lackluster. Lots of crazy stuff happens in those comics that I won't spoil too.
your take on the "evil" ending I think is pretty basic. No choice is better then the other. Your committing genocide either way. So many factors to take into account if you were in Cole's shoes. All you know about the RFI when you're making your choice is that it'll kill conduits, Zeke didn't make any mention of feeling better as it was killing them the first time Cole tried it. So basically you're asking the man not only to kill himself but hundreds of thousands, even millions of people, to save what quite possibly is the most stupid and arrogant sentient race to exist (in general terms anyway). A race by the way, that is just as destructive on their own with the weapons they make. Now, is Cole going to choose to save humans just so he doesn't have to live with the choice afterwards? Does he do it for Zeke? His parents, of which he doesn't have a good relationship with? He's also only basing this choice off of the faith of a human, humans whom up until now have shown nothing but fear for his kind (mostly), is trying to save the world from the plague and not just killing off Conduits because they fear them. If he goes the other route, why does he do it? I'm glad the game didn't depict him as a giant evil asshole in that ending and rather depicted him as reluctantly doing it because he knows he'll have to live with the choice of not just genociding humanity, but killing his brother. This method is the only one he knows for sure eliminates the plague, but at a cost. In his mind, there is a high possibility that the RFI was made to just eliminate the danger of conduits because even if you pick a good ending in the first game Cole is the only "Good" guy conduit so far. All the others are mad with power and paranoia. The other things to take into account is all the corruption in government and the broken system we live in will no longer exist because all of it would be torn down to make the new world. In the new world, everybody has super powers so yeah that would be tough to deal with but at the same time we can't assume we know for sure how any of that would play out. I dunno, I think both decisions suck and if all the fanfic about cole ending up surviving the choice to kill all the conduits then I'd think either way he'd feel shitty about his choice and all the lives lost. Besides, none of this would have been a problem if Kessler hadn't meddled with the time line. Seriously, in his memories there was no mention of a plague or anything like that, despite call stating "Kessler seized control of the First Sons and accelerated the development of the ray sphere." So am I to understand that Kessler had the same problem with the plague in the future but kept it from Cole? Honestly, as far as I can tell despite Cole being quite possibly one of the most powerful Prime conduits, probably only second to John, he was the one who got the short end of the stick in this whole thing. The dude's not necessarily a hero but it could be easily construed that way by either side that survived because of him. Plus, I'm sure there would be some humans who would lose conduit lovers relatives friends etc that would feel the same way about the conduits who have lost their human equivalents in the opposite choice. There is no driving anything home here.
Yeah it's a lose-lose in the end. Conduits being extinct means no more plague, but millions still die. However, the Plague was already claiming more lives than the RFI had taken by the end of the game and it was moving westward, so something had to be done about it before it was too late. I appreciate your point of view. I never really thought about the good ending like that.
Look up zivalines character study on Cole it's a fantastic video that goes more in depth on this. Also the original planned Canon ending was the beast ending as it made the most sense for Cole to do according to the devs and was the only ending that story wise could have possibly continued since all conduits die in the RFI ending. The only reason the devs changed their plan was because of player data showing most players got the trophy for the RFI ending.
Dates? This video was produced throughout the spring and summer of 2021, so any mention of a certain number of years, and the production year should be taken into account.
I’d give so much for an Infamous rerelease. I HATE that these amazing games are stuck on the PS3 or shitty game streaming which my internet can’t support.
It's a shame, really. You'd think that with the amount of revenue made and units sold, Sucker Punch would have the idea to at least port or remaster these games, especially since Second Son is in the top ten bestselling games on the PS4.
Thanks man! I commissioned this thumbnail, and the artwork was done by an artist named @Msspiness on Twitter. As for USM... I don't know what you're referring to but the thumbnail likely isn't a mod of that.
@@lunarnocturne ultimate spider man, I think it inspired it! but yeah it looks awesome and i love the effort that went into this, especially commissioning an artist just for a thumbnail! awesome stuff man
The inspiration for this thumbnail was mostly me throwing around ideas and images in my head of comic book panels I'd seen. Lol but it's nice to know that that was in mind when you saw the thumbnail. Thanks dude!
Really don’t like the evil routes of Infamous, and will only play the evil routes once and play the hero routes more then the evil routes since being a hero feels better and more good then being a villain
This game doesn’t have much atmosphere like the first, 1 felt like lockdown in a city gone to hell while new maray looks generic in comparison, supposedly a dictatorship with pandemic yet it doesn’t really sell that vibe.
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16:33 That bonk noise never fails to make me laugh.
I love how quiet and sudden it is lmao
Looking back, really wish Nyx, and Kou powers weren't necessarily linked too Karma.
I wasn't a big fan of that too.
My guess is that the developers wanted to give the game more replayability and longevity by tying their powers to Karma.
@@lunarnocturne Personally feel it would've been interesting to have a variety of abilities you could get from both/either. But then you select based on how much carnage you think they'd do if you want to play hero or villain.
I've been playing throught both games on PS Premium, and man. Just, man. I think I love them even more than I did a decade ago. At this point, my #1 wish for Sony is really just a remaster or a remake of these games (imagine inFAMOUS 1 with actual cutscenes!).
As an aside, I know this video's a bit old now, but I really appreciate seeing people still talk about these games. These games weren't "underrated" per say, but it's always sort of bothered me how forgotten they've become over time. So thanks for the video, I appreciate the any and all discussion about these games nowadays.
I'm glad you got some newfound enjoyment out of the games!
And yeah it's not underrated. Hell, it managed to get recognized by Sony and be included in their marketing campaigns.
That's a good sign of success right there.
And I'd like these games to be remastered since theyve been locked to the PS3 for so long. It would also bring new fans to the franchise as well!
This was a fucking great ride. I missed the original two games and only played Second Son and First Light, so this was a handy way to get clued up on what I missed. Stellar work, Lunar, and enjoy your break.
Yeah you're not alone. Second Son and First Light brought in a lot of newcomers and I'm glad my videos were able to get you up to speed on what happened in the previous entries!
I'm glad you enjoyed!
I still got time before going to work and i cant power up the stereo cause ppl are resting so instead imma watch some infamous, ill enjoy this with a cup of whatever drink i find in the fridge and chill, thank you for making this video king
Thanks for that man! Hope the long-form vids get you through the day!
Great video man I'm about halfway through and I'm excited to watch your Second Son review 👍
Thanks man! Hope you enjoy the Second Son vid. Put a lot of love into it 😄
I just experienced the story of Cole MacGrath in two videos of yours. And I felt some things despite not getting the full experience myself.
But man, what a amazing series of games. I wish I had learned about it sooner.
Great video man.
Thanks man! I've always wanted to cover these games in-depth on my channel because I have such a great love for them!
I'm glad my videos moved you in such a way! The Second Son vid is in the works. Stay tuned!
Thank you so much!
5:54 there’s a comics that ties in between infamous 1 and 2 that explain the events that happened after infamous 1
That was a huge slip-up in my part, especially since I mention what happened between Cole and Zeke way later in the video lmao
Dang. Didn't know how cool this game was! As all ways, great video!!
Thanks man! I had the time of my life putting this together!
It's very cool. I highly recommend it
2years later this vid is still great good job
Every time I hear the credits song for infamous 2 I always tear up. Great video man can’t wait to see the future of your channel 🎉
Thanks man! That theme always got to every time I played this game. Never fails to bring a tear to my eye.
Can't wait to bring out more video essays too!
I know this was years ago, but I have to say it's so interesting to see alternative views on the ending.
I myself see the evil ending as being the better choice to make if we're looking at it without hindsight of the outcome. With good, there's no guarantee the plague will be cured, Wolfe didn't tell cole that it'd kill all conduits, just that it'd kill the beast. What else was he not telling him? That would leave no conduits to save the world, with humanity dying off.
Meanwhile, the evil ending gives a guarantee that at least some will survive. The population will drop a lot, yes, but that is far better than the fair possibility that the RFI will do nothing good.
Of course, with hindsight we know the good ending is the better one to take but it's an interesting thought.
Very good points! In a way, Wolfe pretty much lied to Cole and everybody else about what the RFI was capable of. Plus you're also right about the fact that Wolfe himself can't guarantee that the RFI will wipe out the Plague. Has he done other trials, etc?
And yeah, from Evil Cole's perspective, the Evil Ending is a necessary evil in order to ensure humanity keeps living on.
Mhm! I think arguably it makes sense for good cole to even consider taking what's considered the more evil route for the betterment of humanity as a whole.
his old look looks like ali-a to me
Lmaoooo not Ali-A
I don't really care for these games but this is a very well done and informative video.
Thanks, dude. I got a huge passion for talking about my favorite games
Throwing a car does much more damage than the grenades or the megawatthamer. It's more useful against enemies like helicopters or that big swam monster that you need to hit in the mouth, who are pretty hard to hit with multiple grenades or rockets.
I like to think the voice in the first game is so raspy and pained sounding because of the explosion Cole was in in the beginning.
Yeah, his whole body did get burnt up in that blast like that lmao. I prefer Eric Ladin's voice though.
When i was a kid i played the shit outta infamous 1 and 2 and i loved it to the point cole was on the same level as mainstream as fuck superheroes and seeing him die for the greater good of saving the world of a plague of basically acute radiation poisoning of 9000 msv made me fucking cry back then especially since the alternative was killing his best friend and becoming what he was meant to destroy
Cole definitely has the attitude, abilities, and appearance of a mainstream superhero! I also like how, I dunno, ordinary he looked. He didn't have a fancy costume- just street clothes.
That ending broke my heart when I first saw it at 12 years old. It was the first time I got to see a protagonist die and it shattered my expectation that the hero should live no matter what.
i loved Cole's new design in infamous 2. I hated how they had to change it
I'll give them points for experimenting with the hair, it's just that it was quite a far cry from the old one lol.
@@lunarnocturneI guess they went uncharted territory
Personally I play good in the first game but try to save Trish instead of the doctors. I think this starts a breakdown where he finally goes over the edge after finding out he's Kessler. So I start with good karma in 2 and slowly go towards the beast ending through brutal effectiveness Kessler got the killed he wanted but in doing so turned that man into the beast.
Yeah when I played Infamous 1, I chose to save Trish first because I thought that that'd be the only thing going through Cole's mind because he's been through so much with her. What makes it hurt more is that the relationship between the two was JUST repaired.
And I will say how the true canonic ending of Cole sacrificing his life is one of the reasons I like Cole better then Alex Mercer
Ironically cole wouldn’t take the good ending cause he hates being forced by authorities and rather live for himself and people
Man it always bugged me that Cole would give Zeke an inch of trust after the events of infamous 1. He definitely steps up and comes into his own more here in the sequel, but he's still a little sleazy, using his relationship with Cole to pick up chicks and stuff.
Dude was ready to kill thousands of more people and ruin more lives just because he was jealous of Cole.
Thank goodness the comics exist or else the relationship being repaired between Cole and Zeke would've been completely baffling (granted, not a lot of people even got their hands on those comics).
Not only that, but I didn't cover it in this vid, but Cole gets slightly concerned about Zeke when he shows up in that Militia armor too, saying that he still doesn't trust him after the events of Empire City.
You're right, its been a while since I played. I forgot that Cole was actually nervous when Zeke joined the militia. I always knew there were comics and I vaguely remember scrolling through one online. Maybe I should go back and play the first 2 these games are pretty special
Yeah the comics add a lot of closure for what happens at the end of the first game because the the endings for both Karma paths were pretty lackluster.
Lots of crazy stuff happens in those comics that I won't spoil too.
your take on the "evil" ending I think is pretty basic. No choice is better then the other. Your committing genocide either way. So many factors to take into account if you were in Cole's shoes. All you know about the RFI when you're making your choice is that it'll kill conduits, Zeke didn't make any mention of feeling better as it was killing them the first time Cole tried it. So basically you're asking the man not only to kill himself but hundreds of thousands, even millions of people, to save what quite possibly is the most stupid and arrogant sentient race to exist (in general terms anyway). A race by the way, that is just as destructive on their own with the weapons they make. Now, is Cole going to choose to save humans just so he doesn't have to live with the choice afterwards? Does he do it for Zeke? His parents, of which he doesn't have a good relationship with? He's also only basing this choice off of the faith of a human, humans whom up until now have shown nothing but fear for his kind (mostly), is trying to save the world from the plague and not just killing off Conduits because they fear them.
If he goes the other route, why does he do it? I'm glad the game didn't depict him as a giant evil asshole in that ending and rather depicted him as reluctantly doing it because he knows he'll have to live with the choice of not just genociding humanity, but killing his brother. This method is the only one he knows for sure eliminates the plague, but at a cost. In his mind, there is a high possibility that the RFI was made to just eliminate the danger of conduits because even if you pick a good ending in the first game Cole is the only "Good" guy conduit so far. All the others are mad with power and paranoia. The other things to take into account is all the corruption in government and the broken system we live in will no longer exist because all of it would be torn down to make the new world. In the new world, everybody has super powers so yeah that would be tough to deal with but at the same time we can't assume we know for sure how any of that would play out. I dunno, I think both decisions suck and if all the fanfic about cole ending up surviving the choice to kill all the conduits then I'd think either way he'd feel shitty about his choice and all the lives lost.
Besides, none of this would have been a problem if Kessler hadn't meddled with the time line. Seriously, in his memories there was no mention of a plague or anything like that, despite call stating "Kessler seized control of the First Sons and accelerated the development of the ray sphere." So am I to understand that Kessler had the same problem with the plague in the future but kept it from Cole? Honestly, as far as I can tell despite Cole being quite possibly one of the most powerful Prime conduits, probably only second to John, he was the one who got the short end of the stick in this whole thing. The dude's not necessarily a hero but it could be easily construed that way by either side that survived because of him. Plus, I'm sure there would be some humans who would lose conduit lovers relatives friends etc that would feel the same way about the conduits who have lost their human equivalents in the opposite choice. There is no driving anything home here.
Yeah it's a lose-lose in the end.
Conduits being extinct means no more plague, but millions still die.
However, the Plague was already claiming more lives than the RFI had taken by the end of the game and it was moving westward, so something had to be done about it before it was too late.
I appreciate your point of view.
I never really thought about the good ending like that.
Look up zivalines character study on Cole it's a fantastic video that goes more in depth on this.
Also the original planned Canon ending was the beast ending as it made the most sense for Cole to do according to the devs and was the only ending that story wise could have possibly continued since all conduits die in the RFI ending. The only reason the devs changed their plan was because of player data showing most players got the trophy for the RFI ending.
Zivalene*
Yep. I actually went over that in my Second Son retrospective! Ziv's also a good creator too!
I know the good karma ending is the Canon ending in this game but what karma ending is the Canon ending in the first game?
The Good ending is canon in every Infamous game.
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I would do anything for a new Infamous game or a remaster of Infamous 2
Yeah it sucks that the first two games are stuck on the PS3 and behind PS Now.
This game itself is about 12 years old, maybe more but this retrospective...3 years...what am I missing? Was a port given to the PS4 or PS5?
Sony has yet to port Infamous 1 and 2 to current gen hardware.
@@lunarnocturne Thank you, I'm not mad just disappointed, the video itself was great, but the dates for me, don't make any sense.
Dates? This video was produced throughout the spring and summer of 2021, so any mention of a certain number of years, and the production year should be taken into account.
I’d give so much for an Infamous rerelease. I HATE that these amazing games are stuck on the PS3 or shitty game streaming which my internet can’t support.
It's a shame, really.
You'd think that with the amount of revenue made and units sold, Sucker Punch would have the idea to at least port or remaster these games, especially since Second Son is in the top ten bestselling games on the PS4.
The thumbnail is so cold. Is that a mod of USM??
Thanks man!
I commissioned this thumbnail, and the artwork was done by an artist named @Msspiness on Twitter.
As for USM... I don't know what you're referring to but the thumbnail likely isn't a mod of that.
@@lunarnocturne ultimate spider man, I think it inspired it! but yeah it looks awesome and i love the effort that went into this, especially commissioning an artist just for a thumbnail! awesome stuff man
The inspiration for this thumbnail was mostly me throwing around ideas and images in my head of comic book panels I'd seen. Lol but it's nice to know that that was in mind when you saw the thumbnail. Thanks dude!
@@lunarnocturne nice :) subbed
HOW DID YOU NOT TALK ABOUT THE HINT OF KESSELRS FACE I SWEAR THATS HIS FACE
The game becomes 10x more funny when you buy the Kessler costume DLC.
Really don’t like the evil routes of Infamous, and will only play the evil routes once and play the hero routes more then the evil routes since being a hero feels better and more good then being a villain
I don’t get your logic people are dying
@@GenuinelyphasingZoned if you’re saying how the good ending ended, they like sacrificed their lives for the greater good
This game doesn’t have much atmosphere like the first, 1 felt like lockdown in a city gone to hell while new maray looks generic in comparison, supposedly a dictatorship with pandemic yet it doesn’t really sell that vibe.
I think New Marais was set up like that on purpose; focusing less on the lockdown aspect, and more on the Conduits, the Militia, etc.
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