A few people are concerned about the oil filter. I should've shown it on screen, but I didn't. Mostly because there wasn't anything to see. There was more particulate in the screens than the filter. That's my had. I made a short taking a look at it: ruclips.net/user/shortsRKLPWGgsSqQ Next time I do something like this I'll show you a close up.
Are you shitting me? The filter is full of glittery shavings (yeah no the glitter that you put on later as some sort of attempt to an excuse), and you dump it in the pan without showing it or mentioning it after the premise of the video?
Its not exactly amazing that its not destroyed after 600 miles. A mechanic I know went to the suzuki factory in Japan last year, every new motor as it comes of the production line gets ran for a short period at maximum, literal maximum, rpm before it gets fitted to a frame.
Maintenance of maturity please do the needful fyi hint oil containers have the opening off set so you can pour with the opening up high. Lets the air into the container for a consistent pour.
They said the same for my Aprilia Pegaso 650ie and in 18 years, I only changed, oil, filters, spark plugs, a rear shock and once the injection intakes. 2004 model 2nd hand. And now guess which bike i'll get next week... Tested the 800NK and it rocks. In a few days it's mine!!!!! By the way, the Advance.
The clx 700 sport I owned was a stellar performer. Excellent fit and finish. Never had a hiccup. Rode it for nearly two years. I'd definitely buy another CF MOTO.
I love that you kept in the weird things that happen while doing maintenance, it's the little things that people don't think about that end up scaring people from trying to it it themselves. Now to see how many comments are just going to be "it sucks cause china"
@@loftyintentions1985 but did you have a CFMoto? China can make anything to the specs you desire, they make all the apple products to a high quality standard, it's all on the business owners. As long as it's not Government owned, it'll be fine
Yeah those sparkles are oil bubbles on the surface of the filter,no meticular biuld up,I own an ibex 800 ,0 metal in the oil or filter at any oil change,I can't say that for my boneville, glitter in the oil,triumph states this is normal.
I dont understand what was your idea that you will destroy a new motorcycle in less than 600 mile... I do that amount of travel in a week, it would be ridiculous if it would just die and I had to buy new bike every each week. So no, this proves nothing this is as little usage as nothing. Like come on after the first brake in oil change the avg oil change period is 3-4k mile, it would be sad if the bike couldnt withstand it bruh. Tho Im interested that how much reliable is cfmoto. If it can withstand minimum 50k miles than its good in a bike withouth mayor issues, my bike has 40k mile and most of the parts original only replaced the worn-out things like chain, oil, filters, brake pads, tyre
How anyone can be not trusting of the quality and reliability of these cfmotos when its literally a ktm and they make 80% of all ktms engines parts everything is beyond me. Knowing that if you still dont like them youre just a boomer
@chrispekel5709 true. But the same can be said about any european manufacturer. Yet ppl still love them regardless. My point is they think they are getting a cheap product just because its branded cfmoto which is based out of china. When a vast majority of peoples favorite brands have their parts and bikes made out in china.
Remind me not to loan you a bike!! And say no thanks if I want an " expert break in". For everyone else.. follow the directions of the manufacturer.. and if they say go to Laguna Seca or Austin to properly break in your new motorcycle, buy another brand..
CFMoto is using KTM engines, so I fail to understand all this hoo haa about engine reliability. Its down right stupid to say CFMoto cant be any good because its made in China, so is your iPhone and countless other Phones. I would be more concerned about quality if it was made in India as KTM smaller dukes are. You are getting a whole lot of motorcycle for a far less of a price, get over this whole Chinesium mindset, competition is good for consumers, may be it will kick Japanese Manufacturers in the a$$ so they can up their game a bit. I am looking at you Suzuki.
I guess there is a difference as to the model they are releasing worldwide, here in the Philippines that same bike already has a steering damper, as well as a quick shifter up and down. Tft display looks like an ipad mini while the ones you have is just a 5" tft, if i'm correct? also, the handle bars also looks different, as the ones here has a scooter type of handle bars to accomodate that huge tft display. Same price point, it's about $8,500 here as well.
The oil spill was probably from using too big of a funnel. It happened to me with my 790 Duke and once i bought a smaller funnel so air could escape out of the fill hole, i could fill it no problem. You will always have to fill twice however. I fill it till the sight glass is all the way to the top, turn on the engine for a few seconds, then fill to middle of the glass. I change the oil every 5k and it's at 40k now. The bike has a neat way to remind you to change the oil though. The quickshifter starts to feels 'gritty' telling you its time to change.
I rip my 450ss and it takes it like a champ. CFmoto isn’t these Amazon Chinese bikes. They are coming for the US market and producing very nice bikes. They aren’t stupid, they know Americans are going to question the reliability so it wouldn’t surprise me if they had very strict standards at the factory. I’m not saying there’s not going to be things that slip through the cracks but I’ve had Japanese, German and British bikes have questionable things on them and when I took my CFmoto 450 apart to add a quick shifter everything was marked, neat, and clean looking. I was very impressed and I will be buying more of there bikes and I’m currently excited for there ibex 450🤙🏼
i know the maintenance on the 300nk was pretty easy as well. i like that they have a oil change kit with all the parts already together. that's super nice.
My 800NK Advanced coming on Monday, in 1 day from this comment, it will be my third CFMOTO, over 25,000 Km on my first 2 from CFMOTO, I am confident it will be a good bike 👍👍💪✌
That's an "interesting" setup with the oil drain plugs. Service manual to the rescue! I got to throw a leg over a CFMOTO for the first time last weekend during a ride day.I got to ride the 300SR & 800MT Explore, and that 800 has a very throaty intake. They're not up to the standard set by the Japanese, but they're pretty darn close. Close enough that I seriously considered buying one, and I'm not concerned about reliability. They've been selling the 650's & smaller bikes here for over a decade & there's plenty of them that are still on the road.
The dual drain plug/mesh strainer is inherited from the dry sump KTM engine designs. You think that design is quirky, look up what's involved with the single cylinder KTM LC4 oil change!
@@Mancastle A good pair of circlip pliers is a necessity for KTM oil filter removal. The real annoyance is the fragile mesh screens that fall apart after a couple of oil changes, meaning you're better stumping up for an official KTM service kit instead of just getting a cheap (but perfectly good) Hi-Flo or Champion pattern jobbie.
So I have no experience with the NK800 however I do have experience with the NK300. I work for an MSF School. We have 12 NK300's as training bikes. Of those 12 bikes in the coarse of a year of ownership, we have experienced 1 complete wire harness malfunction, 1 display failure, 1 thermostat failure, a couple leaks/gasket failure's, and almost every battery has failed. Despite the above, I still think they are pretty good bikes and wouldn't hesitate to recommend them to anyone. Again, a small sample size but this is my experience with a dozen bikes in about 12 months of ownership in Arizona with the highest mileage bike being around the 500 mile mark and the average being around 300 miles.
@@iamcxd9782 Based off my time there and the over 300 bikes we regularly use, clutches, levers, and front tires would be about the only items that seem to exhibit accelerated wear and use.
The msf course I went to had groms, dirt bikes, and rebels and they warned us to shut them off any time we were told to stop because otherwise the batteries would die quickly. They were all pretty beat up though including a few that wouldn't shift properly.
I just bought thr 800NK yesterday. I pick it up on Tuesday. This is my very first bike. This was an early birthday present to myself. Turn 50 in October.
Chaseontwowheels rode his Ibex 800 from Georgia to South Dakota for Get On ADV and rode it around there with no issues. I’m pretty sure they are decently reliable.
I was told by an engineer for a British Superbike team (his name escapes me): break in hard, race hard. They took engines straight from the crate and put them on dynos. Essentially he as saying that it'll open up as it is ready and there is no detriment.
Yeah a one day iron but without technical difficulties is definitely a sign this thing is bomb proof😂 your social credit score is definitely going up !
@@jl9161 The things that people said about Japanese cars and bikes in the 70s are the things that they say about Chinese bikes now. I will always love my Italian and British bikes first. But I have a Chinese 'Zontes' 125cc, it never gets any maintenance and rarely gets warmed up properly, and it still goes strong 10 years and 9000+ miles later.
@@blipco5 The R has the better suspension. My S is OK but not very adjustable. The engine is really nice and has great throttle response so is a lot of fun to ride. If you want the sport bike riding position, the R is going to be a great choice.
@@thomasneedham1512 Yes, I meant to say 'R' because I also mentioned the wind protection provided by the fairing. If I didn’t have too many bikes right now I’d most likely buy one of these. I have no problem leaving the high horsepower specs and bragging rights to the squids. I like to ride. Few riders can utilize even 100 hp on the road.
Yeah, I kind of noticed that too. Still, that is why you pull the filter with the first oil change. I would run another thousand and change out again just to make sure it was clear.
@@spitescorner Unfair dude. Two of us saw metallic particles on the filter and I was keen to redo the oil change after another 1,000 miles to make sure it was clear. You didn't say you had sprinkled it with metallic glitter.
I Own a CF Moto NK 400, got it brand new and drove it from Manila to my place in the province 500 Kms away, in the relentless sun and heat, then I drove it back to my place in Manila. and two years since I bought it only needs oil changes. It has been used and abused, didn't complain at all.
I wanna see a large data set across many bikes, many riders and many years. Especially after they start ramping up production and increasing their lineup. Expansion is the number one killer of quality. That being said, 60k is a bit high dont ya think?
I have a '19 790 Duke, 40k miles on it. Its reliable enough. I have only had 1 part failure (thermostat went bad) and a known issue cam chain tensioner replaced in warranty in it's first month.
@@jvillain9946Oh, yeah, 60K is excessive, but for me it's just the magic number that I'm lookin for. If I can't find any used bikes past 60K in somewhat rideable condition, to me it speaks of a shorter lifespan for that model. But realistically those kinds of huge mileages depend more on regular maintenance to actually achieve. And granted, kind of a pointless meter considering brand new bikes. But the point is reliability is earned only after several years and not the first service interval.
That's normal during break in period, learn what break in period supposed to be and you'll know why theres "glitter" on the oil filter during the first 600miles
So many CF Moto haters. lol They make a good product people, face it. They have their good and bad like everyone does but they are great bang for your buck. I had a CF Moto ZForce 800EX, took it to Moab, UT, Vernal, UT and not one issue after two seasons and 1,200 miles.
We need more videos on CFMoto bikes as they are few & far between. I bought a new 2023 CFMOTO NK650 a few months, after selling my Yamaha MT07, & I love it. Plenty of power, great fuel consumption, comfy riding position & came with 4 year warranty, for UK buyers. I'm already considering trading it in for the NK800 motor bike as that's what I originally wanted, but at that time the NK800 wasn't yet available in the UK! 👍
You can definitely tell the KTM/Husqvarna DNA is in it with the filter/screen set up. Just like my 701 Vitpillen…. In the aviation world it’s called Pencil whip that checklist…
Nothing to worry about here. You should have seen the garbage on the filter at the first oil change on our 2020 4Runner. Way more than expected. Good job CF Moto.
i went and looked at these cfmotos in person. they look great, and i was really surprised at the size difference between this and the cl700-x. i was also surprised at the radiators on them and how they handle the texas heat in traffic, you know?
I have done 65,000km on my 2014 CFMoto 650nk , hard miles as well and like this one it has not missed a service or had any major issues , these are well made bikes ! Just tires , chain and front sprocket .
That’s the same engine as the duke 790. It’s odd they sent 10w40 when the duke and all other KTMs spec 10w50. What does the manual say in regards to viscosity?
Hey Spite, do they make an aftermarket camshaft for it? And do they make better internals for it? Because I want to ride the crap out of it. At the drag strip, 1/8 mile track, here in San Angelo. I'm looking for a perfect sleeper, Got me, yaaa. I'm 60 years old and wanna go out with my riding boots on boots 👢👢.
Probably too late now, but it would have been interesting to send a sample of the old oil off for analysis. I did that recently with my Ducati Monster. It didn't show anything but it was an interesting exercise nonetheless.
Oil filter is full of metals shavings as you pull it out, who doesn't show the oil filter after the premise of the video? That's actually fairly typical with KTMs as well but it seems worse than I've seen on other bikes after the break-in.
I have a '19 790 Duke. From the video, there's practically no difference of the engine. The shavings at the first service are usually clutch material and that stops after the first service.
Is it me, or is that filter COVERED with metal shavings at 4:25 ? That could be part of the normal break in- I don’t know - I always let the dealer do my first service. But man, that is NOT glitter. Looks like metal sand.
600miles is like literally NOTHING if ANY motorcycle could not take that relative small amount of abuse it WOULD be a hopeless pile of trash ....just saying 600miles does not rate for ANY BRAG....shoot do at least THOUSANDS of miles...yeah 6000 miles THEN it will mean a little but hyping 600miles? is sensationalism it is crap BULLCRAP....just saying dang...seriously? with a straight face you said all that?
It's easy to say that at 600 miles but with the 790 engine and the question over the cam shaft longevity, if you are going to have issues it will be around 15,000 to 20,000 miles from what I've seen, so it will remain to be seen 😉
cf moto have a stigma of chinese brand but what i can tell is it doing fine. it may not performed like japanese bikes but the price is the advantage of this brand. we have a cfmoto nk400 bought wayback q1 of 2018 and aside from clutch replacements and sparkplug and normal things that wear through time, no issues so far aside from the delayed feel on the throttle that was present on the 1st day of using the bike. bike clocks at 170k km and still working fine
No worries about sample size. You rode your bike. No indications of catastrophic engine failure or heavy abuse. Where was the engine made? China? This isn't the 1970s, it is a water cooled modern cycle. No dank nooners, or screaming burnouts. Heck. It's fine.
But isn't that basically a KTM engine (ordered from Aliexpress) anyway? It looks like KTM tech all over. Therefore it should be pretty much fine to abuse ( and only leak oil every now and then :D ).
There is nothing wrong with Chinese bikes, all bikes break in pretty even measures -especially as there are many shared parts now. What the biggest issue has been is the less than scrupulous selection of distributors - resulting in terrible parts availability. This eans workshops refusing to work on them as an easy fix can take a 12 month wait for a part ( I did it for giggles and it was about 15....). This spawns the unreliability myth as fixing a simple failure can be an absolute mission. I hasten to add my comments are post 2019/20 as that is the year when quality was notably improving across the board. In the UK at least, your brand choice can really ruin your day.
Dude, get yourself an Ugga-Dugga. The high torque cordless are the best. Zip off my Ram 2500 lug nuts in seconds, even after the dumb f-‘s at Costco Tire and Auto reefed them down like King Kong.
Cue mouthbreathers frothing at the mouth stating how CFmoto sponsored this video. Between this and Chaseon2wheels's use of the ibex, I'm glad people are making such videos. Yes there are chinesium bikes, no Cfmoto is not one of them. I personally really really wanted an ibex (800mt in my market) but I don't have the energy to defend my purchase or get unsolicited advice every time I stop or mention the brand. I just want to ride in peace with my wife and be left alone. I got a honda instead despite being way more expensive. Hopefully by time perception changes ans I can actually get one of these bikes and not have to worry about this.
3 minutes for 1.25-1.50 is stingy? Damn. Around where I am there is typically only one car wash in a 50 mile radius, and even if you did skip to the next town over it wouldn't matter cause they all charge 1.25 for 50 seconds
Has a KTM engine so no surprise on the engine. Personally, Im cool with the people of China, but not cool with supporting their economy. I'd opt for the KTM. Nice review though Spite.
I have about 1200 miles on the 300 NK now. It's a great bike the oil change was easy. I'm eyeing that 700 cxl sport I think it's called I'm quiet please with CF Moto and I think they have a new customer
Honestly when my taxes come in i think cfmoto is going to be my upgrade from my first bike (duke 390), and that eas before i realized they just said "hey we have all this spare ktm stuff, wanna make our own bikes?" Lmao Seriously though, the feel of the engine of my ktm is just so satisfying and my finances are tight. I think i gotta pick up the Cfmoto if for no reason other than the fact that theyre obviously quality and these prices are only gonna go up boys.
That's very terrible dude, too much distance of your brake in, anyway cfmoto is reliable no need to prove, they didn't produce without reason, that's they exist, problem is your body having too much pain or fatigue after couple of miles haay
Yeah well the best Chinese bike is still only on par with the worst Suzuki 😂…go ahead and waste your money folks …this is sponsored content no matter what he says
So a mere 600 mi. is enough for you to decide it's reliable? I want some of what you're smoking... or maybe I don't! At the same time, I'm not condemning it either. It is simply, far too soon to make that call.
KTMs in my experience always have metal frags in the screens at 600miles....maybe why other brands dont have screens i dk....in that case the frags will be in the filter where you cant see em. but ktm loves screens
they throw dirt on a bike talking about reliability while their leading brand is intently built cheap for profit and still using outdated parts for higher gains using a famous brand of sticker. the people throwing reliability on the 800nk are the people who doesnt have a choice because they already own the cheap parts leading brand. and sadly their bike doesnt even have a tft screen for premium feels wahahaha.
The reason the oil came out was because on that bike, you can't pre-fill the oil filter. That's about a half quart of oil there. Always partially fill the motor so the oil can fill the oil filter. Shut off, let cool, then fill to full line on dip stick, Ya dipstick 😂
4.29 i can see the paper oil filter full of metal shards and nasty stuff :P And than you never show it and talk only about these 2 metal ones that are clean. little bit pointless dont you think :)...
@@spitescorner so the whole process of draining oil was redone just to put the glitter on the oil filter? a lot of oil came out with it (filter), you put i back just for that shoot? Well atleast you got vievers engagement in comments :)
Yeah, you can tell a brand or models reliability until its been out for a couple years and been thoroughly tested by a large group of people. One bike and only 600 miles doesnt tell you anything. And even then that doesnt account for future production increase or budget cuts which can tank reliability
Hehe didn't mean to start any drama, it was just really hard to tell the difference from the video alone@@spitescorner Keep it up with the good reviews, would love to see you ride a Buell someday!
Well, my 800NK Advance lost her rear hugger and got intimate with the rear tyre after 30kms, and the cone bearing failed at 1100km after 4 days of shakedown runs. Couple screws backed out. It's getting sent back to the factory tmrw....2nd time in a week. Seriously, this is like a bad joke. I wouldn't be surprised if i got lemonade if I drained the oil for it's first service.
I have a duke 790 (same engine) and can say that in its 7000+km so far that it's never let me down or been anything but great. I imagine these 800nk's will be similar.
A few people are concerned about the oil filter. I should've shown it on screen, but I didn't. Mostly because there wasn't anything to see. There was more particulate in the screens than the filter. That's my had. I made a short taking a look at it: ruclips.net/user/shortsRKLPWGgsSqQ
Next time I do something like this I'll show you a close up.
Put that glitter in your engine. Will help breaking it in. Unsubbed for clickbait BS.
Sorry to see you go.
@@spitescornerNever mind, I've just subscribed instead. Great content 👍
Are you shitting me? The filter is full of glittery shavings (yeah no the glitter that you put on later as some sort of attempt to an excuse), and you dump it in the pan without showing it or mentioning it after the premise of the video?
I have also subscribed and replaced his butthurt little butt
Spite blowing through the checklist exactly like I imagine my dealer does.
Exactly
pretty sure Spite was more thorough
@@pmdinaz good catch. Fixed.
He’s bought by the Chinese
Not checking for loose bolts is poor form. The main swing arm bolt is notorious for coming loose
Hey, Spite! How did you manage to turn off the speeding warning? I have tried disabling it but it keeps blaring after 45-50 mph.
Thanks!
I think it was somewhere in the menus or I sped so much it gave up lol. I don't remember.
Those oil filters are VERY KTM like.
Ktm Chinese quality
A tail tidy might look nice. I could see that rear plastic fender snapping off at some point
Its not exactly amazing that its not destroyed after 600 miles. A mechanic I know went to the suzuki factory in Japan last year, every new motor as it comes of the production line gets ran for a short period at maximum, literal maximum, rpm before it gets fitted to a frame.
Maintenance of maturity please do the needful
fyi hint oil containers have the opening off set so you can pour with the opening up high. Lets the air into the container for a consistent pour.
They said the same for my Aprilia Pegaso 650ie and in 18 years, I only changed, oil, filters, spark plugs, a rear shock and once the injection intakes. 2004 model 2nd hand. And now guess which bike i'll get next week... Tested the 800NK and it rocks. In a few days it's mine!!!!! By the way, the Advance.
The clx 700 sport I owned was a stellar performer. Excellent fit and finish. Never had a hiccup. Rode it for nearly two years. I'd definitely buy another CF MOTO.
While it is only a single data point, it is a point towards the good. Worth taking time to share.
I love that you kept in the weird things that happen while doing maintenance, it's the little things that people don't think about that end up scaring people from trying to it it themselves. Now to see how many comments are just going to be "it sucks cause china"
It sucks cuz Chyna!
@@ZundappCZ touche
Everything I have had, motorcycle related, from China has sucked.
@@loftyintentions1985 but did you have a CFMoto? China can make anything to the specs you desire, they make all the apple products to a high quality standard, it's all on the business owners. As long as it's not Government owned, it'll be fine
@@Magic_Toaster no and I'm pretty sure they weren't government owned.
Been considering a CFMoto for my next bike but been wondering about the reliability. So thanks man.
Bout on par with ktn now lol with all their bikes having flameout and ecu issues. Good times
If it's not leaking it isn't a REEEEEEEEEEEEEEAL bike.
So true
Both comments obviously come from HD riders. 😂
HD gang
Especially true for track day specials and old European bikes with "character."
If it stops leaking you need to fill it back up.
just ignore the sparkling oil filter it will be fine.
Here you go: ruclips.net/user/shortsRKLPWGgsSqQ?feature=share
break in oil change. always looks like that
@@jacksons87 no, lool.
@@spitescorner BS.
Yeah those sparkles are oil bubbles on the surface of the filter,no meticular biuld up,I own an ibex 800 ,0 metal in the oil or filter at any oil change,I can't say that for my boneville, glitter in the oil,triumph states this is normal.
I dont understand what was your idea that you will destroy a new motorcycle in less than 600 mile... I do that amount of travel in a week, it would be ridiculous if it would just die and I had to buy new bike every each week. So no, this proves nothing this is as little usage as nothing. Like come on after the first brake in oil change the avg oil change period is 3-4k mile, it would be sad if the bike couldnt withstand it bruh. Tho Im interested that how much reliable is cfmoto. If it can withstand minimum 50k miles than its good in a bike withouth mayor issues, my bike has 40k mile and most of the parts original only replaced the worn-out things like chain, oil, filters, brake pads, tyre
How anyone can be not trusting of the quality and reliability of these cfmotos when its literally a ktm and they make 80% of all ktms engines parts everything is beyond me. Knowing that if you still dont like them youre just a boomer
That's kind of funny, as KTM don't have really have a name for reliability
@chrispekel5709 true. But the same can be said about any european manufacturer. Yet ppl still love them regardless. My point is they think they are getting a cheap product just because its branded cfmoto which is based out of china. When a vast majority of peoples favorite brands have their parts and bikes made out in china.
@@chrispekel5709 if you want reliability just buy a japanese bike period
Remind me not to loan you a bike!! And say no thanks if I want an " expert break in". For everyone else.. follow the directions of the manufacturer.. and if they say go to Laguna Seca or Austin to properly break in your new motorcycle, buy another brand..
CFMoto is using KTM engines, so I fail to understand all this hoo haa about engine reliability. Its down right stupid to say CFMoto cant be any good because its made in China, so is your iPhone and countless other Phones. I would be more concerned about quality if it was made in India as KTM smaller dukes are. You are getting a whole lot of motorcycle for a far less of a price, get over this whole Chinesium mindset, competition is good for consumers, may be it will kick Japanese Manufacturers in the a$$ so they can up their game a bit. I am looking at you Suzuki.
I guess there is a difference as to the model they are releasing worldwide, here in the Philippines that same bike already has a steering damper, as well as a quick shifter up and down. Tft display looks like an ipad mini while the ones you have is just a 5" tft, if i'm correct? also, the handle bars also looks different, as the ones here has a scooter type of handle bars to accomodate that huge tft display. Same price point, it's about $8,500 here as well.
The oil spill was probably from using too big of a funnel. It happened to me with my 790 Duke and once i bought a smaller funnel so air could escape out of the fill hole, i could fill it no problem. You will always have to fill twice however. I fill it till the sight glass is all the way to the top, turn on the engine for a few seconds, then fill to middle of the glass. I change the oil every 5k and it's at 40k now. The bike has a neat way to remind you to change the oil though. The quickshifter starts to feels 'gritty' telling you its time to change.
how are ur cams ? since that common problem, the made of butter and what year is ur bike ?
I rip my 450ss and it takes it like a champ. CFmoto isn’t these Amazon Chinese bikes. They are coming for the US market and producing very nice bikes. They aren’t stupid, they know Americans are going to question the reliability so it wouldn’t surprise me if they had very strict standards at the factory. I’m not saying there’s not going to be things that slip through the cracks but I’ve had Japanese, German and British bikes have questionable things on them and when I took my CFmoto 450 apart to add a quick shifter everything was marked, neat, and clean looking. I was very impressed and I will be buying more of there bikes and I’m currently excited for there ibex 450🤙🏼
Go away Chinese bot
i know the maintenance on the 300nk was pretty easy as well. i like that they have a oil change kit with all the parts already together. that's super nice.
Where did u get the kit?
@@easye1311the cfmotoparts online store.
My 800NK Advanced coming on Monday, in 1 day from this comment, it will be my third CFMOTO, over 25,000 Km on my first 2 from CFMOTO, I am confident it will be a good bike 👍👍💪✌
Nice Bike.👌Enjoy it.🇳🇱
@caskstrength7629 hehe thank you! I already own it for 3 months ✌️👍
That's an "interesting" setup with the oil drain plugs. Service manual to the rescue!
I got to throw a leg over a CFMOTO for the first time last weekend during a ride day.I got to ride the 300SR & 800MT Explore, and that 800 has a very throaty intake. They're not up to the standard set by the Japanese, but they're pretty darn close. Close enough that I seriously considered buying one, and I'm not concerned about reliability. They've been selling the 650's & smaller bikes here for over a decade & there's plenty of them that are still on the road.
He’s bought by the Chinese
Identical to my KTM 1090 from 2016(The oil filters etc) kinda annoying tbh as i've found them getting stuck.
The dual drain plug/mesh strainer is inherited from the dry sump KTM engine designs.
You think that design is quirky, look up what's involved with the single cylinder KTM LC4 oil change!
@@Mancastle
A good pair of circlip pliers is a necessity for KTM oil filter removal.
The real annoyance is the fragile mesh screens that fall apart after a couple of oil changes, meaning you're better stumping up for an official KTM service kit instead of just getting a cheap (but perfectly good) Hi-Flo or Champion pattern jobbie.
@pauln6803 cfmoto does the full kit as well for a bit cheaper
So I have no experience with the NK800 however I do have experience with the NK300. I work for an MSF School. We have 12 NK300's as training bikes. Of those 12 bikes in the coarse of a year of ownership, we have experienced 1 complete wire harness malfunction, 1 display failure, 1 thermostat failure, a couple leaks/gasket failure's, and almost every battery has failed. Despite the above, I still think they are pretty good bikes and wouldn't hesitate to recommend them to anyone. Again, a small sample size but this is my experience with a dozen bikes in about 12 months of ownership in Arizona with the highest mileage bike being around the 500 mile mark and the average being around 300 miles.
👍
Yeah, mine has a rubbish battery as well. No other issues that weren't caused by me however
The only thing id say about that experience is the MSF bikes get absolutely dumpstered with abuse from new riders
@@iamcxd9782 Based off my time there and the over 300 bikes we regularly use, clutches, levers, and front tires would be about the only items that seem to exhibit accelerated wear and use.
The msf course I went to had groms, dirt bikes, and rebels and they warned us to shut them off any time we were told to stop because otherwise the batteries would die quickly. They were all pretty beat up though including a few that wouldn't shift properly.
I like these type of videos, just feels like something that was pretty easy on you to do
I just bought thr 800NK yesterday. I pick it up on Tuesday. This is my very first bike. This was an early birthday present to myself. Turn 50 in October.
Put it in rain mode for a couple of weeks and get a feel for it. 100hp is something to be respected.
Does 620 miles of pain count as a decent test of this bikes reliability? I'm confident if anything was going to break it would've already.
Chaseontwowheels rode his Ibex 800 from Georgia to South Dakota for Get On ADV and rode it around there with no issues. I’m pretty sure they are decently reliable.
I was told by an engineer for a British Superbike team (his name escapes me): break in hard, race hard. They took engines straight from the crate and put them on dynos. Essentially he as saying that it'll open up as it is ready and there is no detriment.
Even the worse bikes make can make it 1000km/600mi, even double that. I would say about 5,000mi/8,000km would give a better idea.
Yeah a one day iron but without technical difficulties is definitely a sign this thing is bomb proof😂 your social credit score is definitely going up !
@@jl9161 The things that people said about Japanese cars and bikes in the 70s are the things that they say about Chinese bikes now.
I will always love my Italian and British bikes first. But I have a Chinese 'Zontes' 125cc, it never gets any maintenance and rarely gets warmed up properly, and it still goes strong 10 years and 9000+ miles later.
I'm interested in this, but the new Suzuki GSX-8R really has my eye now....
I'd love to get my hands on a GSX-8R. The S was a sweet little bike.
Totally practical bike. Go for it. The 8S has better suspension components and some wind protection.
@@blipco5 The R has the better suspension. My S is OK but not very adjustable. The engine is really nice and has great throttle response so is a lot of fun to ride. If you want the sport bike riding position, the R is going to be a great choice.
@@thomasneedham1512 Yes, I meant to say 'R' because I also mentioned the wind protection provided by the fairing. If I didn’t have too many bikes right now I’d most likely buy one of these. I have no problem leaving the high horsepower specs and bragging rights to the squids. I like to ride. Few riders can utilize even 100 hp on the road.
The Triumph Daytona 660 and CF Motos new 675SR might be great options is you are considering the GSX8R.
What a sharp looking bike. If i ever move up from my Duke I may consider that one.
Did you know that it is a duke in disguise. Really research it.
Wish you showed the actual filter There were a good amount of metal shavings in that.
Yeah, I kind of noticed that too. Still, that is why you pull the filter with the first oil change. I would run another thousand and change out again just to make sure it was clear.
Here you go: ruclips.net/user/shortsRKLPWGgsSqQ
@@spitescorner Unfair dude. Two of us saw metallic particles on the filter and I was keen to redo the oil change after another 1,000 miles to make sure it was clear. You didn't say you had sprinkled it with metallic glitter.
Loving the energy in this video
I Own a CF Moto NK 400, got it brand new and drove it from Manila to my place in the province 500 Kms away, in the relentless sun and heat, then I drove it back to my place in Manila. and two years since I bought it only needs oil changes. It has been used and abused, didn't complain at all.
I would still be on the fence, I would want to see how these bikes are doing in 5-10 years with 20-30k on the clock
Same. Any bike should last 600 miles or even 6000 miles without worry. It's the 60K that really shows how reliable a bike is.
I wanna see a large data set across many bikes, many riders and many years. Especially after they start ramping up production and increasing their lineup. Expansion is the number one killer of quality. That being said, 60k is a bit high dont ya think?
I have a '19 790 Duke, 40k miles on it. Its reliable enough. I have only had 1 part failure (thermostat went bad) and a known issue cam chain tensioner replaced in warranty in it's first month.
@@jvillain9946Oh, yeah, 60K is excessive, but for me it's just the magic number that I'm lookin for. If I can't find any used bikes past 60K in somewhat rideable condition, to me it speaks of a shorter lifespan for that model. But realistically those kinds of huge mileages depend more on regular maintenance to actually achieve. And granted, kind of a pointless meter considering brand new bikes. But the point is reliability is earned only after several years and not the first service interval.
uhhmmm are we going to ignore the sparkly oil filter at 4:29? i'm sure that's just glitter i guess ...
I just pointed that out as well
Here you go: ruclips.net/user/shortsRKLPWGgsSqQ?si=BZo5d6WkBlEa2pXm
That's normal during break in period, learn what break in period supposed to be and you'll know why theres "glitter" on the oil filter during the first 600miles
So many CF Moto haters. lol They make a good product people, face it. They have their good and bad like everyone does but they are great bang for your buck. I had a CF Moto ZForce 800EX, took it to Moab, UT, Vernal, UT and not one issue after two seasons and 1,200 miles.
We need more videos on CFMoto bikes as they are few & far between. I bought a new 2023 CFMOTO NK650 a few months, after selling my Yamaha MT07, & I love it. Plenty of power, great fuel consumption, comfy riding position & came with 4 year warranty, for UK buyers. I'm already considering trading it in for the NK800 motor bike as that's what I originally wanted, but at that time the NK800 wasn't yet available in the UK! 👍
You can definitely tell the KTM/Husqvarna DNA is in it with the filter/screen set up. Just like my 701 Vitpillen….
In the aviation world it’s called Pencil whip that checklist…
It's literally a KTM 790, CFMOTO licenced it from KTM.
CfMoto is actually KTMs main supplier of engines now.
Ye same Chinese quality in the ktm. Since they are moving manufacturing to china haha rip
You didn't inspect the paper filter?
He did not, and i saw a good amount of shaving in there.
Here you go: ruclips.net/user/shortsRKLPWGgsSqQ?si=BZo5d6WkBlEa2pXm
@@spitescorner the pattern of the glitter doesn't align with the metal shavings of the freshly removed filter...
Why would you pull such a stunt?
Nothing to worry about here. You should have seen the garbage on the filter at the first oil change on our 2020 4Runner. Way more than expected.
Good job CF Moto.
i went and looked at these cfmotos in person. they look great, and i was really surprised at the size difference between this and the cl700-x.
i was also surprised at the radiators on them and how they handle the texas heat in traffic, you know?
I have done 65,000km on my 2014 CFMoto 650nk , hard miles as well and like this one it has not missed a service or had any major issues , these are well made bikes !
Just tires , chain and front sprocket .
That’s the same engine as the duke 790. It’s odd they sent 10w40 when the duke and all other KTMs spec 10w50. What does the manual say in regards to viscosity?
Hey Spite, do they make an aftermarket camshaft for it? And do they make better internals for it? Because I want to ride the crap out of it. At the drag strip, 1/8 mile track, here in San Angelo. I'm looking for a perfect sleeper, Got me, yaaa. I'm 60 years old and wanna go out with my riding boots on boots 👢👢.
Probably too late now, but it would have been interesting to send a sample of the old oil off for analysis. I did that recently with my Ducati Monster. It didn't show anything but it was an interesting exercise nonetheless.
Just curious as to how much that costs.
@@robertbermudez4458 it's £40. Just search for "Millers Oils analysis" and you'll find out how to do it (assuming you're in the UK).
oh no, no you do not want to do that with a chinese bike
it would be a horror show. some people have, you can check out bobistheoilguy
@@robertbermudez4458 Look up Blackstone Labs (in the U.S.). $35 for an oil sample analysis for a motorcycle.
Oil filter is full of metals shavings as you pull it out, who doesn't show the oil filter after the premise of the video? That's actually fairly typical with KTMs as well but it seems worse than I've seen on other bikes after the break-in.
I have a '19 790 Duke. From the video, there's practically no difference of the engine. The shavings at the first service are usually clutch material and that stops after the first service.
Is it me, or is that filter COVERED with metal shavings at 4:25 ?
That could be part of the normal break in- I don’t know - I always let the dealer do my first service.
But man, that is NOT glitter. Looks like metal sand.
600miles is like literally NOTHING if ANY motorcycle could not take that relative small amount of abuse it WOULD be a hopeless pile of trash ....just saying 600miles does not rate for ANY BRAG....shoot do at least THOUSANDS of miles...yeah 6000 miles THEN it will mean a little but hyping 600miles? is sensationalism it is crap BULLCRAP....just saying dang...seriously? with a straight face you said all that?
C F moto makes stuff for branded bikes from around the world,why would their own bike suck?....Thats odd thought process.
I'm curious.... why put the cheapest bike through a gauntlet, but I've never heard a high end bike being put through that........
It's easy to say that at 600 miles but with the 790 engine and the question over the cam shaft longevity, if you are going to have issues it will be around 15,000 to 20,000 miles from what I've seen, so it will remain to be seen 😉
cf moto have a stigma of chinese brand but what i can tell is it doing fine. it may not performed like japanese bikes but the price is the advantage of this brand. we have a cfmoto nk400 bought wayback q1 of 2018 and aside from clutch replacements and sparkplug and normal things that wear through time, no issues so far aside from the delayed feel on the throttle that was present on the 1st day of using the bike. bike clocks at 170k km and still working fine
No worries about sample size. You rode your bike. No indications of catastrophic engine failure or heavy abuse. Where was the engine made? China? This isn't the 1970s, it is a water cooled modern cycle. No dank nooners, or screaming burnouts. Heck. It's fine.
So my doing 1500 miles in 7 days on a Honda ADV 350 with totally nothing whatsoever to do after is worth the premium then!
But isn't that basically a KTM engine (ordered from Aliexpress) anyway? It looks like KTM tech all over. Therefore it should be pretty much fine to abuse ( and only leak oil every now and then :D ).
There is nothing wrong with Chinese bikes, all bikes break in pretty even measures -especially as there are many shared parts now. What the biggest issue has been is the less than scrupulous selection of distributors - resulting in terrible parts availability. This eans workshops refusing to work on them as an easy fix can take a 12 month wait for a part ( I did it for giggles and it was about 15....). This spawns the unreliability myth as fixing a simple failure can be an absolute mission. I hasten to add my comments are post 2019/20 as that is the year when quality was notably improving across the board. In the UK at least, your brand choice can really ruin your day.
CF Moto builds engines for KTM... hence why they have KTM stamped on the parts. They sell KTM bikes as the KTMR2R brand in China as well.
Dude, get yourself an Ugga-Dugga. The high torque cordless are the best. Zip off my Ram 2500 lug nuts in seconds, even after the dumb f-‘s at Costco Tire and Auto reefed them down like King Kong.
Cue mouthbreathers frothing at the mouth stating how CFmoto sponsored this video. Between this and Chaseon2wheels's use of the ibex, I'm glad people are making such videos.
Yes there are chinesium bikes, no Cfmoto is not one of them.
I personally really really wanted an ibex (800mt in my market) but I don't have the energy to defend my purchase or get unsolicited advice every time I stop or mention the brand. I just want to ride in peace with my wife and be left alone. I got a honda instead despite being way more expensive.
Hopefully by time perception changes ans I can actually get one of these bikes and not have to worry about this.
3 minutes for 1.25-1.50 is stingy? Damn. Around where I am there is typically only one car wash in a 50 mile radius, and even if you did skip to the next town over it wouldn't matter cause they all charge 1.25 for 50 seconds
Has a KTM engine so no surprise on the engine. Personally, Im cool with the people of China, but not cool with supporting their economy. I'd opt for the KTM. Nice review though Spite.
I have about 1200 miles on the 300 NK now. It's a great bike the oil change was easy. I'm eyeing that 700 cxl sport I think it's called I'm quiet please with CF Moto and I think they have a new customer
Honestly when my taxes come in i think cfmoto is going to be my upgrade from my first bike (duke 390), and that eas before i realized they just said "hey we have all this spare ktm stuff, wanna make our own bikes?" Lmao
Seriously though, the feel of the engine of my ktm is just so satisfying and my finances are tight. I think i gotta pick up the Cfmoto if for no reason other than the fact that theyre obviously quality and these prices are only gonna go up boys.
That's very terrible dude, too much distance of your brake in, anyway cfmoto is reliable no need to prove, they didn't produce without reason, that's they exist, problem is your body having too much pain or fatigue after couple of miles haay
Yeah well the best Chinese bike is still only on par with the worst Suzuki 😂…go ahead and waste your money folks …this is sponsored content no matter what he says
That looks like fun but buying a CF Moto, I wish that they made smaller versions for Africa, I would own one and be budgeting for the next.
It’s a KTM engine so it’s weird compared to a Japanese make. Nothing out of the ordinary for a KTM. Plenty of videos on KTM Dukes for comparison
So a mere 600 mi. is enough for you to decide it's reliable? I want some of what you're smoking... or maybe I don't! At the same time, I'm not condemning it either. It is simply, far too soon to make that call.
KTMs in my experience always have metal frags in the screens at 600miles....maybe why other brands dont have screens i dk....in that case the frags will be in the filter where you cant see em. but ktm loves screens
If I am not wrong, they actually uses the same engine as the KTM 790. Engineered by KTM build by CFmoto.
they throw dirt on a bike talking about reliability while their leading brand is intently built cheap for profit and still using outdated parts for higher gains using a famous brand of sticker. the people throwing reliability on the 800nk are the people who doesnt have a choice because they already own the cheap parts leading brand. and sadly their bike doesnt even have a tft screen for premium feels wahahaha.
Maintenance of maturity... Ze bluetooth dewise iz connected-uh succesfoullay
Excelente video
Mí sueño es comprar 800 mt explore
Saludos desde Argentina
The reason the oil came out was because on that bike, you can't pre-fill the oil filter.
That's about a half quart of oil there. Always partially fill the motor so the oil can fill the oil filter. Shut off, let cool, then fill to full line on dip stick, Ya dipstick 😂
1/50,000,000 of a inch is how large damaging particals can be. "No visible means of support" book on oil.
4:11 wtf Is this engineering. And a cartridge filter? Interesting seeing you pull out a loooong drain plug with a screen. Seems sketch. Lol
4.29 i can see the paper oil filter full of metal shards and nasty stuff :P
And than you never show it and talk only about these 2 metal ones that are clean. little bit pointless dont you think :)...
Here you go: ruclips.net/user/shortsRKLPWGgsSqQ
@@spitescorner so the whole process of draining oil was redone just to put the glitter on the oil filter?
a lot of oil came out with it (filter), you put i back just for that shoot?
Well atleast you got vievers engagement in comments :)
Was it only the things you couldn’t see that were “fine”?
Cuz other stuff like the breaks I think you said “good” lolol
Unreliable?
It is basically a KTM wearing a costume so what you would expect 😂?
I test ride it and I got very impressed if I would know it China bike I wouldn't believe it.
If you ever sell this bike this is actually my dream bike I would trade my 2018 mt-07 for it with 9k miles
yeah id be interested to see if they have probs 10k miles down the line like any bike. but 8k$ for a 800 when the zx4rr is 9k is a head turner.
Great, it made it 600 miles without failure. Very Impressive.
Thats not really an impressive feat. Maybe for a harley it is.
@@jvillain9946 sarcasm
@@jvillain9946🤦♂️
Needs more time and miles for a long term review.
Yeah, you can tell a brand or models reliability until its been out for a couple years and been thoroughly tested by a large group of people. One bike and only 600 miles doesnt tell you anything. And even then that doesnt account for future production increase or budget cuts which can tank reliability
One vote for the "break it in like you ride it" theory.
Stole it 🤦🏼
I started watching spite when he was with that other guy, what's his name. He was so annoying.
So who do I call for parts for the 650nk can’t find anything online
That oil filter was full of metal , who do you think your fooling , a bunch of knuckleheads that have never seen that before?
I'd be more worried because of all the KTM parts than because it's Chinese.
I always wonder why every time I replace a seal, heavy metal riffs fill the garage. It is what it is.
We are not gonna talk about that discoball of a oilfilter? @4:24 is that not metal?
Pretty sure that's just the light. I looked at it again this morning when in got rid of it it. Nothing scary.
just light reflecting off oil
Replaying the video, there's certainly some glitter that I'm seeing
Here you go: ruclips.net/user/shortsRKLPWGgsSqQ?feature=share
Hehe didn't mean to start any drama, it was just really hard to tell the difference from the video alone@@spitescorner
Keep it up with the good reviews, would love to see you ride a Buell someday!
why wouldnt it be any good. It is pretty much a KTM790 engine!
Well, my 800NK Advance lost her rear hugger and got intimate with the rear tyre after 30kms, and the cone bearing failed at 1100km after 4 days of shakedown runs. Couple screws backed out.
It's getting sent back to the factory tmrw....2nd time in a week.
Seriously, this is like a bad joke. I wouldn't be surprised if i got lemonade if I drained the oil for it's first service.
Everybody is anticipating the CF Moto, 450ADV. I hope that they are making lots of them.
Meh. Looks to be a serviceable machine, but it's not for me.
The oil filter is full of metal as you pull it out of the bike :)) how can you not show the most important part?
It might be a good bike, but i'm still not giving money to China if i have other choices.
“Least reliable on the planet” Harley would like to know your location
I have a duke 790 (same engine) and can say that in its 7000+km so far that it's never let me down or been anything but great. I imagine these 800nk's will be similar.
you have more luck then i do, had 2 thermostats and an output shaft seal fail on me within 6000 km's on a new bike
Doesn't KTM build that engine for CF Moto!?
Oh that's interesting, I have the 800nk I didn't realize there was a consensus of "issues"... I guess I lucked out it's a gem so far