Even tho the lock can be picked ......I still LOVE this design. I have never heard of this design before. I like how compact it is. So much better than that dam cable I have wrapped around my seat. I am definitely going to get me one for my bike. Thanks for sharing.
I looked at the reviews of people who bought it, and there is a lot of: "great design, but too cheaply made; parts fall off of it easily, like the lock cover" I've found it for sale for as little as 28.00 US. still, the company does honor its warranty, and apparently will send you a new lock if the one you have breaks. and for 28 bucks? that's still quite a useful bike lock. interestingly shows none available on Amazon, but this place says it has them: www.gearbest.com/other-accessories/pp_286706.html never bought anything from them before, so buyer beware etc.
Since you're a lawyer, I thought you'd like to know that this video has been re-uploaded by someone wanting to piggyback off your excellent work, with two "buy it here"-links. I'm not going to link to it and help them spread; I'll give the RUclips ID instead: LvVXPCAkVzU
LockPickingLawyer I was wondering between the kryptonite mini 5 and this but I guess the rivets on these can be easily compromised no one would bother picking the lock the traditional way
I bought one of these in Japan, branded as a Proloop "Muffin," about 10 years ago. The plastic cover fell off but it otherwise has worked great! I love how small it is; I can literally throw in my jacket pocket or the water bottle pocket of a bag.
*will be kinda difficult to get in there (to torsion) * uses normal wiper insert you gota love LPL Also *has special torsion tool (the flag thingy) * uses wiper insert ++respect
wow john weber thank you for your hilarious insight into this video. you are truly a master of comedy and must have spent forever coming up with a joke THIS original. you are insanely funny. i wonder if you’re a professional comedian. it wouldn’t surprise me because you are absolutely hilarious. 😐
I have one of these, bought just because I loved the design. Alas, I dropped it on the second time I used it, and this broke the retaining clip that holds the chain in its rolled-up, locked position. It still works, but the chain will flop around unsecured when not in use.
That's a lot like the type of keys you get on vending machines. When I was an engineer and had one that had spun the barrel round and stopped working. We used a key and filed down the raised part on the key. Opens no bother
Later on in video 714 he demonstrates a picking and impressioning hybrid approach that I think would work on this lock if you had to pick it more than one position. In any case it is a great video and worth checking out :)
Out there there are lock manufacturers banging their head on the table in frustration as LPL picks his way through every New lock design that they come up with.
I wish he would extend these videos into giving his opinion on how likely it is for this locked to be picked, also how hard would you need to yank one the chain to break it, and how easy/hard would it be to break with tools such as boltcutters or battery angle grinder.
I have a couple of these locks for my kids bikes when they take them to school, got no complaints about them. Probably Wouldn't use it on my own bike though but fine for school 🤘
I swear this guy is part of a bicycle stealing gang in whatever area he lives in. He doesn't steal the bikes himself, he just passes on the knowledge of how to...
Nice job, in your opinion what is the most reliable bike lock , I mean one that you would use in your own bicycle? At least to delay the process. ? Thanks.
Is this lock - or rather, this type of tubular lock - resistant to the Bic pen trick that the Kryptonite and Kensington locks of the early 2000s were vulnerable to?
ive had that same lock but sunlite for years. its been great other than needing to squirt teflon to get parts moving a few times. so i got another slightly different brand but same style and after a few months the long skinny style key broke off locked up outside a walmart. they wouldnt let me borrow cutters so i bought a pair of bolt cutters and snipped it and returned them lol. sadly the cheap cutters went right through that steel like butter. not much tougher than a thin cable.
Seems like a good option. Pickable, indoors where you can position the look as you want/need. But a bike thief in the streed I think it is to time cunsuming and fuzza. They go to another bike. So the looks seems very good in that aspect. Does not to be pick-proof. Just "to much work" or "to slow to open".
I love these videos. Are core locks still vulnerable to the trick where they use a round plastic pen sleeve? I don’t think many thieves are going to be sophisticated lock pickers, rather pry or cut. Do you feel like it is a better than average? Close to the Forget about it? Thanks!!
Outstanding video! I did see this on Bill's video as well. Neat design but seems to lack a little in security. I need to attack a tubular myself. Never tried. Time for a new challenge.
Thanks. Tubular locks tend to be pretty easy once you get the feel for them. Take care not to over set pins (the biggest challenge for tubular locks IMO), and these locks will open for you without much effort. Good luck with them!
That's funny if you see the video that I just posted a couple of days ago you will see me using that tension tool to pick a tubular lock. I was trying to make one but it was a fail. So I went to the tension wrenches that came in that kit and that's when I discovered that one. So I want to thank you for the review you did on them or I wouldn't have them. But anyway couldn't you use that hole to tension it to begin with?
Yup, I saw it. I guessed it was for tubular locks in my review video, and it seems to work for them, but there's still unexplained features. As for using the hole, there's no good way to apply enough force to it without a custom tool...
That key and lock looks just like the one on my tool box at work that guards my thousands of dollars in tools. Works the same except the center pin doesn't pop up.
I'd love to see how this fares against the bic impressioning attack. Perhaps you could do a roundup style video on the bic impressioning attack and go through some of the tubular locks you have?
LPL, it would be really nice if you would rate every lock you pick as to whether you would use it (not just recommend it - unless you wanted to provide 2 ratings). I like all your comments but am never sure if they're worth purchasing - especially the $$$ ones. Thanks for considering.
I mean you can buy tubular lock picks. Heck I bought a set of them in case I ever lost the keys to both of my twenty year old bike locks.. If you know what your doing, you can open this type of lock super quick with one of those things.
I have this lock and I’m very pleased with it. It’s of course not Fort Knox level security but it’s a handy third lock for me which I use to secure my front wheel to the frame. The other “two” are an Abus 4850 Amparo and the marching chain to secure the bike to something stationary. You want to make the hassle of stealing your bike too much over an easier prey.
GAWD DAMN!! Was looking at this on Amazon and Ebay, I can't believe how easily it's defeated! guess I'll just carry around the bag for my folding bike and take it into stores, no point in locking it up outside for someone to steal anymore. =)
Remember that he's an experienced picker in a workshop with good lighting, a full set of picks, and all the time in the world. Your standard bike thief has none of that.
Thanks for the video I have a question regarding the special tention wrench that came from banggood would this work on the Street cuffs as it has a similar ring For tensioning thanks and have a good day.
If the 6 o'clock hole can be used to open the lock, it can also be used to tension it 360 degrees, right? And it almost looks like the same wiper insert would fit in there.
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Even tho the lock can be picked ......I still LOVE this design. I have never heard of this design before. I like how compact it is. So much better than that dam cable I have wrapped around my seat. I am definitely going to get me one for my bike. Thanks for sharing.
yea same. it seems sturdy enough(more than a damn cable that can be just cut) and is way more compact and adjustable than a U lock
You could hit that lock and it would probably break because it can move separately or you could punch a hole in the joints i guess
I looked at the reviews of people who bought it, and there is a lot of:
"great design, but too cheaply made; parts fall off of it easily, like the lock cover"
I've found it for sale for as little as 28.00 US.
still, the company does honor its warranty, and apparently will send you a new lock if the one you have breaks.
and for 28 bucks? that's still quite a useful bike lock.
interestingly shows none available on Amazon, but this place says it has them:
www.gearbest.com/other-accessories/pp_286706.html
never bought anything from them before, so buyer beware etc.
I bought one, I'm really happy with it!!!
@@bbb8775 that was my first concern with it. Interesting design all the same.
“We are gonna take advantage of that hole later”
Has to be one of the scariest things to hear in prison
*WE ARE GOING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT HOLE* LOL
Well, I guess I could have worded that better. Lol.
I didn't want to be the one to point that out thank you
P.s. I have no idea how old this video is
@@lockpickinglawyer Nah, it was worded perfectly :D
@@lockpickinglawyer Bosnianbill had a problem with shaft being too thick so he could not take that advantage :/
I'm going to stick my pick where that hole is
Since you're a lawyer, I thought you'd like to know that this video has been re-uploaded by someone wanting to piggyback off your excellent work, with two "buy it here"-links. I'm not going to link to it and help them spread; I'll give the RUclips ID instead: LvVXPCAkVzU
I think he used www.keepdownloading.com
how do you find a user's ID?
edit:
you used the video id not the user id ok i get it
awesome man you got it taken down!
:D
its gone mate you are a good guy
When I was a kid one of my uncle's grilled hamburgers that looked just like that lock.
LOL... now you can lock the hamburgers up!
LockPickingLawyer I was wondering between the kryptonite mini 5 and this but I guess the rivets on these can be easily compromised no one would bother picking the lock the traditional way
I bought one of these in Japan, branded as a Proloop "Muffin," about 10 years ago. The plastic cover fell off but it otherwise has worked great! I love how small it is; I can literally throw in my jacket pocket or the water bottle pocket of a bag.
LPL: this presents some unique challenges to pickers
Everyone else: this is probably the best bike lock on earth?
He really helped this lock company lol
For pickability sure, but the chain part looks weak enough to be pretty easily snapped open
that's my concern as well. in my country, thieves would very much prefer boltcutters than picking.
Great use of tension, and an answer to what that weird tension bar from bangoood can be used for.
Now I want a Hamburger.
+Jess Hull Thanks...
*will be kinda difficult to get in there (to torsion)
* uses normal wiper insert
you gota love LPL
Also
*has special torsion tool (the flag thingy)
* uses wiper insert
++respect
Hey, thats a really neat product. If all my bikes didn't have engines, I'd get this.
anything: *is cylindrical*
americans: *_hamburger_*
Is it big?
It’s like 2 donut tall and half a bar of chocolate large
C. L. Do yourself a favor and don’t be a little shit on the internet if you’re going to forget whole words in your comments ;)
@@4lines633 In the series Americans will use anything but Metric hahahaha
I'm pretty sure RockBros is a Chinese company though, albeit presumably marketing largely to the USA.
wow john weber thank you for your hilarious insight into this video. you are truly a master of comedy and must have spent forever coming up with a joke THIS original. you are insanely funny. i wonder if you’re a professional comedian. it wouldn’t surprise me because you are absolutely hilarious. 😐
Woule love to see a video on the physical security this provides.
"it was interesting enough, so I PICKED one up" badumm Tssss ^^
I heard this comment lmao
Definitely deserves more likes
it deserves no likes because it's stupid
@@jamesick I hope you have a better day further because if you felt the need to crap on a little dad joke then it really must be shitty
nice job! I especially like how you tied previous videos and product reviews into this one. Full circle!
Thank you!
“i’m gonna stick my pick where the hole is” LMFAO
Nothing can stop the hamburglar! 👀
The way he said "I'm sorry" after getting stuck on his words made me feel so bad. It's ok LPL, we all make mistakes.
“i’m gonna stick my pick where the hole is” LMFAO
He sounds tired.
Maybe a tough week
2:14 Remember that hole...We're gonna take advantage of that hole
Its hard to explain but your videos always feel so cozy its almost identical to the feeling when i used to hang out with my dad.
Ok, this is getting a little weird 😳
I liked the part where he took advantage of that hole with his solid rod
O.o
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Great picking brother! What a sweet find. Never seen a bike lock like this before and I think it is interesting. Thanks for the great review!
I have one of these, bought just because I loved the design. Alas, I dropped it on the second time I used it, and this broke the retaining clip that holds the chain in its rolled-up, locked position. It still works, but the chain will flop around unsecured when not in use.
I didn't catch this on BBs channel but I love the lock design. I'm really glad I bought that banggood tension tool set now as well :-)
:-) Hope the tools are working out for you.
"We are going to take advantage of this hole later"
That's a lot like the type of keys you get on vending machines. When I was an engineer and had one that had spun the barrel round and stopped working. We used a key and filed down the raised part on the key. Opens no bother
"We're going to take advantage of that hole a little bit later" -LockPickingLawer 2017
i dont think thats waht your thinking bois
and as always the lock picking lawyer never fails to always come true
Cool. Nice to learn of a use for one of those odd-looking tension tools from the banggood kit.
Thanks... not sure if that's what the tool is for, but it works!
Soooo… it's practically unpickable by anyone but an expert lockpick? Sounds like a great product!
I do remember you doing a similar lock with a home made tension tool , nicely done !!!
Was that Bosnian Bill? The only similar core I have ever picked was the Master Street Cuff from video #355.
Lockpickinglawyer always:
Hi, this is the lockpicking lawyer, aaaaand it’s open. Thanks for watching
😂
Have a nice day
Later on in video 714 he demonstrates a picking and impressioning hybrid approach that I think would work on this lock if you had to pick it more than one position. In any case it is a great video and worth checking out :)
Out there there are lock manufacturers banging their head on the table in frustration as LPL picks his way through every New lock design that they come up with.
Wow that's a really weird design. Pretty cool how it folds up neatly into a puck (or hamburger, I guess?) when not in use though.
when he picks the lock he sounds like my dentist
Little movement on 3, nothing on 4, nice crack on 5.... 😃
I was waiting for you to pick a lock of this style, like a soda machine door lock.
Im going to assume this isnt very good at securing hamburgers
Question: I recall having trouble finding this particular style.. do they still make this?
I wish he would extend these videos into giving his opinion on how likely it is for this locked to be picked,
also how hard would you need to yank one the chain to break it,
and how easy/hard would it be to break with tools such as boltcutters or battery angle grinder.
"And what're your intentions with my daughter?"
"[2:18]"
Honestly I don’t particularly care if this lock is easily picked... it’s a beautiful, unique design with some really inventive use of space
*Picks lock* Me: NOT AGAIN! THE LOCK'S GUTS ARE SPILLING OUT!
I m the 10 months ive been pickinh ive never had that happen...
I have a couple of these locks for my kids bikes when they take them to school, got no complaints about them. Probably Wouldn't use it on my own bike though but fine for school 🤘
Thanks to the @lockpickinglawyer I am officially fascinated with lock picking.
I swear this guy is part of a bicycle stealing gang in whatever area he lives in. He doesn't steal the bikes himself, he just passes on the knowledge of how to...
Bikes? Thats so much under his niveau xD
@@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis Ah it's a criminal cover up...
"we're going to take advantage of that hole a little bit later." I watch a lot of prison story videos too, a lot of themes carry over.
Nice job, in your opinion what is the most reliable bike lock , I mean one that you would use in your own bicycle? At least to delay the process. ? Thanks.
Surely the favorite channel of thieves. With all these good advice and the demonstration. Bravo!
You had me at hamburger and finished me with taking advantage of that hole 🧁
picking locks since 1852, that makes me old!!!
Do you have an advantage by looking at how the key is cut? Would it take you longer if you were not able to see the cut key before picking?
Just here for a burger lock to go with the hotdog lock
"PICKED one up" lol
Sounds like a dentist 😂
Well he sure likes to pick things
That's a pretty cool lock design really.
Wait, didn't we did this already with 10 pins?! I am confused! A normal 7 pin tubular pick with the centre post removed would work wouldn't it?
Yes, the core on the Master Street Cuffs was very similar.... and I was not able to get an impressioning tool to work in this. :-(
@@lockpickinglawyer I was wondering the same thing. Any idea why it didn't work?
Is this lock - or rather, this type of tubular lock - resistant to the Bic pen trick that the Kryptonite and Kensington locks of the early 2000s were vulnerable to?
ive had that same lock but sunlite for years. its been great other than needing to squirt teflon to get parts moving a few times. so i got another slightly different brand but same style and after a few months the long skinny style key broke off locked up outside a walmart. they wouldnt let me borrow cutters so i bought a pair of bolt cutters and snipped it and returned them lol. sadly the cheap cutters went right through that steel like butter. not much tougher than a thin cable.
Hockey puck lock. It seems this lock is more about convenient storage rather than top security.
That is a neat little lock. Love it!
Seems like a good option. Pickable, indoors where you can position the look as you want/need. But a bike thief in the streed I think it is to time cunsuming and fuzza. They go to another bike. So the looks seems very good in that aspect. Does not to be pick-proof. Just "to much work" or "to slow to open".
Since it's rigid link, I'm thinking it would be quite difficult to pick "in the wild" as long as the keyhole is facing downwards...
No one picks a bike lock "in the wild"
Bike season is opening up and we can thank the LockPickingLawyer for helping us steal as many bikes as possible!
I commend you on your well illustrated video and in all areas of expertise.. I might add; therefore, I thank you!
I love those lock picking vídeos, man
Wonder is you could use that as self defense by throwing it?
+JustFaz I suppose, but it's an expensive brick. And a real brick would be better.
Looks like a landmine
JustFaz you could let the chain go and use it to swing the lock body around
@@taylormadeslingshots8573
for a brick, it's expensive.
douchebag.
You open it first, then use it as a Batman boomerang.
Lots of fun my friend. Locked myself out no problem daughters fault..lol
Thank you for your videos, they are just great. Keep it on.
Thank you.
You are a genius.
I love these videos. Are core locks still vulnerable to the trick where they use a round plastic pen sleeve? I don’t think many thieves are going to be sophisticated lock pickers, rather pry or cut. Do you feel like it is a better than average? Close to the Forget about it? Thanks!!
How do you come up with all these creative ways to pick a lock!!
“If you encounter a lock like this”
Me: ...... Oh when one day someone lock my bike?
Now we need the cheeseburger, big Mac, and whopper locks
Outstanding video! I did see this on Bill's video as well. Neat design but seems to lack a little in security. I need to attack a tubular myself. Never tried. Time for a new challenge.
Thanks. Tubular locks tend to be pretty easy once you get the feel for them. Take care not to over set pins (the biggest challenge for tubular locks IMO), and these locks will open for you without much effort. Good luck with them!
That's funny if you see the video that I just posted a couple of days ago you will see me using that tension tool to pick a tubular lock. I was trying to make one but it was a fail. So I went to the tension wrenches that came in that kit and that's when I discovered that one. So I want to thank you for the review you did on them or I wouldn't have them. But anyway couldn't you use that hole to tension it to begin with?
Yup, I saw it. I guessed it was for tubular locks in my review video, and it seems to work for them, but there's still unexplained features. As for using the hole, there's no good way to apply enough force to it without a custom tool...
+LockPickingLawyer yeah I was just wondering if it was possible. I do consider the tension wrench as a custom made tool. It is different.
Very interesting - I love to see the different option you come up with. Very good information, demonstration and skills - amazing :-)
Thanks.
I like your videos they're informative and educational. Also gives me ideas on what locks i should buy to secure my stuff better
I think it's time we PICKED one up ourselfs 😮
the lockpicking Lebowski brought me here
How is it against physical attack? Comparable to most folding locks I assume.
Thank you for that video sir. So, if you do buy/make a tensioner like the last one you showed, how would You go about re-locking the lock?
You would have to pick it in the opposite direction. :-)
I'm curious about the strength of this kind of chain, it seems easier to break the links apart.
That key and lock looks just like the one on my tool box at work that guards my thousands of dollars in tools. Works the same except the center pin doesn't pop up.
Those rivets seem pretty easy to get leverage on, can probably pop them.
I'd love to see how this fares against the bic impressioning attack. Perhaps you could do a roundup style video on the bic impressioning attack and go through some of the tubular locks you have?
Are BosnianBill and the LockPickingLawyer the same person?
Asside from the poor pick resistance, how does the rest of the lock and chain feel?
LPL, it would be really nice if you would rate every lock you pick as to whether you would use it (not just recommend it - unless you wanted to provide 2 ratings).
I like all your comments but am never sure if they're worth purchasing - especially the $$$ ones. Thanks for considering.
All the tension that we need. WellI don't need any , I have enough.
good pick. clever tension
Thanks.
I know im a few years late, but why tension from the top if you can turn from that hole? Why not tension from the hole to begin with?
VARY VARY INFORMATIONAL thanks now we know what that wrench is for.THANKS for sharing. 😎😎😎😎😎
Thanks... not sure if that's what it's for, but it definitely works! :-)
I mean you can buy tubular lock picks. Heck I bought a set of them in case I ever lost the keys to both of my twenty year old bike locks.. If you know what your doing, you can open this type of lock super quick with one of those things.
"Remember that because we're going to take advantage of that hole a little bit later"
Me giving a pep talk to the guys before a good night out :)
They're gonna use your hole?
I have this lock and I’m very pleased with it. It’s of course not Fort Knox level security but it’s a handy third lock for me which I use to secure my front wheel to the frame.
The other “two” are an Abus 4850 Amparo and the marching chain to secure the bike to something stationary.
You want to make the hassle of stealing your bike too much over an easier prey.
GAWD DAMN!! Was looking at this on Amazon and Ebay, I can't believe how easily it's defeated! guess I'll just carry around the bag for my folding bike and take it into stores, no point in locking it up outside for someone to steal anymore. =)
Remember that he's an experienced picker in a workshop with good lighting, a full set of picks, and all the time in the world. Your standard bike thief has none of that.
@@jic1 Good point! Actual thieves would have at best a hammer, an arm and barely enough time to wack at a lock a few times before bolting lol ;)
long time sub. congrats on the big 1 million
Thanks for the video I have a question regarding the special tention wrench that came from banggood would this work on the
Street cuffs as it has a similar ring
For tensioning thanks and have a good day.
LPL is the Bob Ross of our time.
If the 6 o'clock hole can be used to open the lock, it can also be used to tension it 360 degrees, right? And it almost looks like the same wiper insert would fit in there.
How secure are the links on the chain? Could they be popped open with a hammer or similar?
I love how he says *however*