I pretty much agree with the ranking and it sucks that in dark souls 1 you don't fight anyone in their prime. When Gwyn was not holloed and just a shell of himself he nearly killed all dragons and created lightning magic (if I remember correctly) and Artorias had his arm broken. this is just what ifs but if even just those two hadn't been corrupted or hollowed it would likely move him to hunter or even the ashen one. I might just be upset with the ranking but i believe if everyone (all the ppl on this list) fought enemies in their prime the ranking would be much different. thats all
Ashen one also kills ds3 dogs. These entities are known to possess dimension warping powers with their ability to teleport behind you from outside your fov
@spazzmaticus9086 idk man, if you watch limit breakers video on the dogs, he shows a free cam. The dogs will literally teleport behind you. Guess we're saying the same thing a different way.
@@ryanvandoren1519 I also got my information from the limit breakers video, and he does specify how the dogs are technically still moving, it's just that they are invisible when out of the players view, giving the illusion of teleportation.
@@Saqr-rv6lbso many times I wished we got armor that doubles as weapons. Like in the DLC Dane gets a seal as a necklace and I feel like having it would be so cool
But how strong is that god? Miquella is NOT a warrior, I would argue that defeating Radagon is a much more impressive feat because he is both Elden lord and a god (according to the Gold Mask's quest)
@@guerreiroazul3230 Miquella may not be a warrior, but he is fresh, at peak power and spamming it relentlessly. Radagon is much less impressive in his fight by comparison. I certainly think the Marika/Radagon fusion is not at peak power in that fight, you can see it from the crumbling body too. Also, never found Radagon that impressive a warrior. The best he has on resume is being tied to Marika, and a stalemate with Rennala in the Liurnian Wars. Hell, he was just handed his position as Elden Lord by virtue of that connection, he didn't do shit to prove himself for it like Godfrey or the Tarnished. Peak Radahn is more impressive than normal Radagon as a warrior.. he was even looking up to Godfrey as a warrior's role model rather than his own father lol.
While Dark Souls 1 rat does have deadly poison, the actually strongest rats are Elden Ring rats, as they can lunge trice as far like Bloodborne rats, grow into enormous sized far more often, and are much tankier than all the others.
Have not had the courage to finish darks souls 1 because of those rats💀🙏🏽, i can at least play through ds3, bloodborne and elden ring without seeing them but those rats are the bane of my existence
8:40 have you noticed dead demons and just the lack of them in DS3? Chaos is extinguished, demons are slowly turning extinct, due to Bearer of the Curse, Chad Ivory King and Alsanna
If we were smart we would know Who actually is the Fromsoftware hidrogen bomb, and as a clue, is from one of the recent games... HELL YEAH, A F*CKING ARMORED CORE, WHO ASKED ABOUT WHAT SOME LAME BOY DID AND CAN DO , SEND HIM A GRANADE THAT CAN DESINTEGRATE HIM ON A 200M RADIOUS
I'm pretty sure canonnically the dark souls 2 protaganist becomes an immortal unhallwoing undead and leaves the flame. I don't beleive he is apart of the soul of cinder.
@@epicn00b Well arguably Dark Souls 1 Dark Lord ending seems to be canon *(only after DLC) and not inside Soul of Cinder as well since he doesn't spam black sorceries, only blue ones.
Ds3 clearly sets up the theme that everyone keeps rekindling the first flame, the ds2 guy didnt so it just sat there until some smuck walts in and jumps into a fire since we already beat everyone?? That doesnt even make sense, DS3 shows that you have to be really strong to even link the flame and its obvious the ds2 protag is the one to do it in his era, he's the one who holds all 4 lord souls
I play the trilogy as the same character so they kind of are in the Soul of Cinder. Chosen Undead links the flame, all their souls/power is burned away. Later they are reincarnated into a new body, the Bearer of the Curse. They refuse to link the flame this time and wander the world as other champions burn up. They later try to take on Soul of Cinder but their heart isn’t in it so they are defeated and burned to ash. Later, the bell rings and they give it a genuine attempt, succeed, then snuff out the flame in attempt to end the cycle.
@@GreatRaijinWe never actually see the Lord Souls though in the fight, it’s very likely that the Bearer is one of the few people who actually survived the events of DS3.
Finally someone ranks them properly with lore in mind. Fr I saw people saying hunter has super-human speed because he dodges bullets, like what are they smoking.
The hunter is capable of dodging bullets after they were fired without quickstep and they can dodge darkbeast parl's lightning shockwave at point blank range with a quickstep. They definetly have superhuman speed. However, most souls protagonists have superhuman speeds as well.
@@leeroy2752 if hunter has superhuman speed, why does it take him so long to run from point a to b, if they are seeing the world in slow motion how come they run out of stamina after 15 second of running a short distance. If dodging those bullets give hunter superhuman speed Bloodborne dogs probably move lightspeed. Slow projectiles are a gameplay design choice, they are not relevant to the lore.
@nephistos3746 They are important to the lore because the enemies the hunter canonically fights use guns, so unless you are saying that a normal human could dodge bullets your point is idiotic. If the hunter didn't have superhuman speed they wouldn't have gotten past the first area. So I am going to dismantle your arguments 1 by 1.
@nephistos3746 You play from the hunter's perspective. How long it takes for you to go from point A to B is irrelevant as you play from the perspective of a hunter that can dodge lightning. A normal Bloodborne run takes at least 10 hours to complete yet the whole game takes place in a single night although time being diluded in the dream makes this one of the weaker counterpoints. I think of it like the hunter is moving normally in their perspective, but everything else sees him as fast. Think about it with only movement speed the hunter wouldn't be able to dodge anything. It is a mix of reaction speed and movement speed. So it makes sense that the hunter seems to be moving normally in their perspective due to higher reaction speed = how fast your brain is able to percieve events = the general speed you see the world. This also explains why enemies seem to attack slowly, even trained hunters seem to have massive wind ups before attacking. However, lorewise Alfred is able to swing the Kirkhammer at Hypersonic speeds.
Its you. You Are the strongest character. You slayed the old warriors, the demons, the outer horrors, the demigods. You faced it all and came out on top.
I would like to give one extra piece of info for the Hunter of Bloodborne. When you kill a boss you are told 'Prey Slaughtered' Implying that YOU are the one that's meant to be feared. Not the boss.
@@Nexooshto be fair, the true eldritch beings don't give a prey slaughtered message, they give "Nightmare Slain", which is, IMO, even more impressive verbiage.
@@NexooshNot be be a lore nerd but Ebrietas isn’t a Great One, referred to in game as a “failed great one” as in she failed in becoming one, leaving her behind as a simple Kin, albeit a very strong one. As for Amygdala, it can be inferred that due to there being not one but many Amygdala, they are a form of lesser great one. This is further evidenced by the fact they are never the source of a Nightmare like all the other very powerful Great Ones we face are, as shown by the “Nightmare Slain” message not appearing for Amygdala, but doing so for Mergo’s Wet Nurse, Moon Presence, and Orphan of Kos.
@@somebodyanonymous4608 you have opened my eyes, Patches is Miyasaki, thats why there he is not present in dark souls 2, now we have to measure Miyasaki strength
@@courier6640 for a guy underWATER in range of ancient dragon lightning strike, you sure waving your fake hand quite a lot But fr tho, Sekiro hand is pretty dope
@@The6Rude6Dude6 His name literally is Sekiro, in the last fight isshin even says come at me sekiro and well done sekiro. Wolf is the name given from his father.
i would put hunter in second, because the ashen one's first failure, i think his failure should count as a negative point, while hunter was a dying random person that ascended to godhood in 1 night
Though you can easily say the failure of the Ashen one made him more experienced afterwards. Also, because the new game plus in Bloodborne starts right away, you can assume that no matter what hunter does, he is not able to break the chain, which for what ever reason exists. This implies that he is not keeping his power even if he manages to ascend to godhood.
I'd scale the Ashen One below the Chosen Undead purely because Lothric is a faded remnant of Lordran. Sure the Lords aren't in their prime but they're still leagues above the Lords of Cinder: a slug in a pool of its own waste, a giant sitting on his throne waiting for his friend to kill him, a group of warriors who amount to 1 lord that fell to infighting, and two princes with one deficient of mind and the other of body while the Chosen undead slayed an avatar of death, the inventor of magic, the mother of all demons, the avatars of the Abyss and of course Manus, father of the abyss
@@burghleyimeanberdly6513 ashen one is either potentially the strongest of the 3 Ds protags or the weakest. It really comes down to whether or not soul of cinder was as faded as the first flame and if gael ate more things other than the Pygmy kings.
you know, that does make me curious though when you specifically look at the abyss wathcers, how strong they actually are. I mean it's basically just a bunch of pvpers who just kill each other and infinitely respawn over and over lol. Like they have to be pretty damn strong after awhile.
Except that the Flame fames solely because it requires more and more power as it continues to grow, the reason the world is covered in ash is because the flame asks for so much power that the entire world is starting to get consumed by it. That's also why at the end of the dlc the entire world is nothing but ash, the age of fire has gone for so long that the first flame burnt everything there is and ever was into a endless desert of ashes. Lothric is stronger than Lodran ever was, but they were born twice as sick cuz the world was twice as harsher in their birth, everything sucked more for them than it ever did for Lodran, basically
@@iamMildlyUpsetWithMostOfYouTub I think Gael's strength it's not about what or how much he ate, more about his being the incarnation of every source of power left on that world (exept you). As long as a world hosts any source of power, that source represents a world-scale power, so it's the dark soul that Gael possesses
Good list good list, but i can't help but imagine Good Hunter and Bearer of the Curse looking over at the Tarnished like "how does it feel to know that you have the most endings and yet none of them set you free?"
@@saninpain gaining freedom and offing yourself is a little different things. At best just champion of another outer bufoon in the form of Frenzied Flame
God is a term used to describe beings of varying power in souls games. On one hand you have beings like Marika, and Gwyn. Gods, yet inescapably linked to reality and its natures. Beings who have taken power, or been given it by greater entities or forces. Yet are slaves to that very power. One the other hand you have entities like The Great ones, and Elden Rings outer Gods. Transcendent and whos nature isn't governed by space and time, and are anathema to the minds of those within. They hold the power to shape existence itself with their influence.... Needless to say the Hunter didn't just become a God. He became a transcendent Great One. A god among gods.
Hm... I wonder if the Mortal Blade is truly an advantage, or if it depends on the source of immortality. I mean, in the Dark Souls trilogy, the immortality stems from Gwyns curse, from the Dark Sign. Or in Elden Ring, it comes from the absence of the Rune of Death. Especially in Elden Ring, the Mortal Blade would have to go against the laws of the world to kill someone. But it is a very interesting question, I would love to know what would happen were the Mortal Blade was used in any of the other FromSoft universes.
Well killing with the Red Mortal Blade gives out the screen message of Immortality Severed so I would assume that if there is a source of immortality whether that be a great source of power or a mere link that the bearer relies upon, the Mortal Blade can handily do the job. The Elden Ring example you gave probably won't work with the Red Mortal Blade given that it's more like a stasis than anything to be severed. The Red Mortal Blade doesn't bend the order of nature after all. It is simply a tool that trims abuse against the natural order.
The Tarnished had destined death explode in his face and flung him all the way from Farum Azula to Leyndell and they were fine. His immortality even worked against Mind Control(Miquella), Other outer god influences(Scarlet rot) and even DEPRESSION (Lamenter). They got full control of the death rune during that cutscene.
Theres many hints at the fact that The Tarnished is actually a demigod illegitimate child of Marika, who once upon a time died without achieving anything of note and being entombed in a walking mausoleum, then taken by the maiden to the church where you wake up to have your head grafted onto your body once more, but before you wake up she dies of wounds inflicted by the scion and so you begin your journey. This comes from japanese translations of the description of the walking mausoleums, since those (og descriptions) imply that the mausoleums house the remains of illegitimate demigods who await resurrection. In the beggining of the game the presumed sounds of the shattering are also similar to what a walking mausoleum creates. Also when Gideon dies in his fight he says that no MERE tarnished can become elden lord, but it might not be an insult but a realisation that YOU are NOT a MERE tarnished. All of those hints combined with both Miyazaki and Martin being who they are im fairly certain we play a Demigod son of Marika in Elden Ring.
I mean only thing that would make this believable is just how much Japaneses and RR love incestuous romance....wait a sec tarnished and ranni......oh shit I see
Tbh most Elden Ring theories qualify under "a bit of a stretch". This is a cool theory, albeit one I personally abhor for one simple reason; it makes the Tarnished someone innately special. Part of the charm of these games is that you ever play the underdog, a nobody who has to overcome impossible odds both as the character and as the actual player. But being born a demigod? That's almost akin to being the chosen one... Which goes against the core concept of these games.
I still believe that the hunter is the strongest, because when they fight gods they are actual gods that can reshape reality, but when we talk about gods in dark souls their usually people who acquire some form of assent soul.
The Bearer of the Curse might be the strongest. It all depends on the perspective you take. For me, this is it. Gwyn, the god of sunlight feared humanity for their limitless potential, the dark soul was a great blessing and a great curse if left alone. And so the great lord did all he did. Vendrick comes to be the realization of that limitless potential Gwyn feared. A human, one with the power to conquer and tame the great souls and build a kingdom on them. We have evidence that Vendrick even attempted to raid the sunken king and the old iron king and likely succeed in both as we know Sir Yorgh killed the sunken king and the iron king died at his own creations hands. Moreover Vendrick took his conquest to the land of the giants and laid waste on them, taking a precious treasure from them and using them as slaves and the basis for his golems. Vendrick at the very end of his conquest had achieved the peak of humanity. Even after millenia as a hollow he is still an extreme force. Nashandra dared not seek him (nor was she able to). His hollowed self is so strong the bearer of the curse would need the souls of the giants and their unending hatred to bring down his defenses. Just imagine how strong you have to be to the point even your weakest self needs to be further nerfed by hatred that has been brewing for millenia. As we know, the dark soul doesn't become weaker as it loses pieces of itself, to the contrary, and I believe Vendrick reached the potential for it. But even then, this conqueror, this God of a man that represented all Gwyn feared, dared not invade a certain someone. Eleum Loyce is a kingdom built on top of hell itself, all because of a man so powerful and yet so pure that wanted to protect others. The Ivory King is the only one who wasn't attacked by Vendrick, was it because of the chaos roaming the land or was it because the King, it's not clear. The Ivory King was so strong his efforts were pretty much what led to the demon kind dying out as we see in dark souls 3. For context the old chaos is as strong if not stronger than the first flame. The king was able to keep this chaos at bay, Vendrick at bay and anyone who intended to go after his people was put down. Even Alsanna, another fragment of Manus, fell to the might of the Ivory King literally overcoming her very essence for what He believed and stood for. And even when his soul started to degrade, be it because of the dark or the chaos, the king still had the power to plunge himself into it and keep chaos itself contained but in return chaos gained their ultimate champion. The Bearer of the Curse, on his quest for something beyond the cycle, went looking for his crown. And in doing so he fought Chaos' new champion, the Ivory King who still retained his power bolstered by the flame of chaos and he still fell to our sword. The Bearer of the Curse, just like the Ashen One, fought the best of humanity, the highest power of the dark soul and yet his journey took him to a higher level. The Burnt Ivory King DLC is the final one because it shows how we have transcended the cycle, power beyond what the first flame offered and now we look for something else, something more, something beyond all of it.
The protagonist for ds3 literally fights Gael who has 99 percent basically the complete dark soul. Not a fragment. Not a piece. Not fragments, the whole complete dark soul, the only Part of the dark soul that was left , was you , and you beat him AND the soul of cinder.
@@antgarza4031 Like I said, the dark soul doesn't become weaker as it loses pieces of itself, any piece can become stronger and stronger and in the case of Vendrick, the Ivory king, Manus and of course, ourselves, it only becomes stronger as time goes on. The complete dark soul may be stronger than the strongest fragments or it could be just as strong as the strongest fragment, idk. There is never a clear answer on that, specially when said fragments can be consumed/used as weapons or spells.
One thing to note when powerscaling the heros of the Souls Game. 1. I would say that the Hunter is on par to Tarnished purely because he eventually becomes a eldritch God by the end of the game. Its still in a juvenile state. But a God nonetheless. 2. The Tarnished literally becomes the Lord of Frenzy Flame. Which destroys all life as they know it. You can assume that this includes every coop world you fight against. As they are similarly adjacent to every players world. (You even get the message that a player has become Elden Lord when online and playing the game individually.) This means that the Tarnished (when becoming the lord of Frenzy) completely erases the cycle as they know it. Which is MUCH different then merely escaping the cycle. 3. The Tarnished has EXTREMELY BROKEN hax for some reason. I think he is the only one that would resist the mortal blade, as the Black Blade and Messmers flame kills both soul and body simultaneously. Lets not even mention the Black Flame which is (presumably) the original form of the Rune of Death. 4. The Ashen One kills both disparities almost at their prime during the worlds beginning. He also kills the last of the demon princes, which would reach their primes or close to it. Slave Knight Gael is extremely based, as he not only has the blood of the dark soul of humanity. But through mixing with his own blood, had transformed it into its purest unrivalled state. A state that even surpasses Manus in its potency.
There was something rather curious too. Maliketh who wields Death itself is able to erase the soul of someone on pair with their flesh. Lore wise the Tarnished was never once touched by Maliketh. Which essentially implies that the Tarnished was just making fun of the doggo.
Gael is a hollow husk, a once slave who manages to hold on until the world turn to ash and dust only for a promise to a little girl. But we have no reason to think it was strength that got him there, only a steadfast will, and even that has waned when we start the fight with him. There is little to no reason to think he is stronger than Manus, even if his blood holds the dark soul. The demon princes too are already weakened and already defeated by Lorian, so they too are far cry from anything impressive compared to the previous 2 games.
@@Ixckar Destined Death doesn't instantly Erase your soul, seeing as how in lore the game doesn't act like the Tarnished bodied Godfrey or Radahn with the power of Destined Death, despite the fact that canonically the Tarnished should have Destined Death at that point.
Little thing to note, the Undead of Dark Souls do NOT need their souls to come back from the dead, this is shown on multiple occasions, through multiple weapons that steal souls, through bosses that steal souls, even with out of game material, destroying any of the Dark Souls' protagonists would not stop them from coming back
I 100% disagree with the Hunter being number 3. Lovecraftian beings don’t NEED to have incredible combat skills because most people can’t even comprehend them. If any other MC fought great ones they would die before they even knew what they were fighting. Maybe except the Tarnished.
Aye, merely being able to observe and comprehend the eldritch- nevermind actually being able to interact with, harm or even KILL THEM- implies that the character is genuinely, outright simply "built different". The Gods you fight still are not particularly powerful fighters, with most of their otherworldly power amounting to little more than "glowing bullets of energy" or "giant light explosion", this still does not really take away from the fact that you still need to be able to interact with them to begin with. Tarnished uniquely fits this requirement, as many of the greater powers in Elden Ring are literally just Outer Gods, or avatars of them. And Tarnished kills them, as well.
The ashen one not only fought 4 "Chosen Undeads" ie people who previously linked the flame, meaning rank 3's in the powerscaling, he also fought the literal embodiement and amalgamation of the other chosen undeads + Gwyn in the form of Soul of Cinder. Not only that he freakin' fought Gwyn's son and his dragon mount, who's also an Undead which one could argue makes him even tougher. And then he also fights a master swordsman of londor who posses the black flame, the last living dragon Midir who's boosted by the dark which arguably makes him stronger than literal manus, last but not the least, Gael, the last living thing at the end of time. Fuckin' epic.
4 "chosen undeads" added along with everyone you beat throughout the game when linking the fire barely covers the ashen ones body its a pretty explicit theme and message throughout the game that the present is faaar lesser than in the past in massive part of keeping the 1st flame lit everything that has modicum of power has already burned and the literal dregs is keeping it from keeling over. Its pretty clear cut when you compare the 2 fire link endings that the power of the souls is so degraded its barely keeping the 1st flame intact.
I feel like this is stupid, but these outer gods from bloodborne are pretty much unbeatable in the first places. If we going with lovecraft scaling then it would not be even close. The hunters becomes infant great ones in the end defeating moon presence is pretty much more impressive than any souls lore we encounter
The Ashen One is literally fighting in collapsing timelines as seen in the Ringed City and fighting the Soul Of Cinder. The Dark Souls verse is basically a black hole that is the first flame but at a cosmic scale which is why time and space is merging to begin with.
@@IveBeenWithBrumathe tarnished is able to kill someone with the power of deleting your from existence (maliketh), the daughter of an immortal entity that can throw black holes, event horizons, supernova, and the son (elden beast) who is literally the definition of rules of the universe. Elden ring protagonist is a living cheat code
@@AtomicZamurai The Ashen One technically has the highest cosmology feats since it is a collapsing multiverse. Plus they are slaying beings who were capable of killing their own great lords to link the first flame only the Ashen One has to do it again this time with the equivalent of several chosen as their souls instead of the great lords.
Prime Radahn got beaten by Malenia in his own home, and Miquella is not a warrior so his presence is mute outside of maybe the light attacks if you want to interpret them as light speed. The hunter also has light speed as he dodges Ebrietas' laser, has fought beings even greater than the Outer Gods (something that the Tarnished doesn't come close to doing) and his immortality is forever, whild the Tarnished's immortality is iffy seeing as how many Tarnished just die and don't come back like Dialos, Vyke and D.
@@guerreiroazul3230 Radhan was still holding back the Stars at the point of fighting Malenia and was still not tired while Malenia was about to die it wouldn't even have been close if Radahn didn't hold back the stars at that time.
Im still going to put Hunter on top because of 2 things. 1) he can rip your asshole in half using his bare hand with a critical attack 2) they dont wear armor or use shields because its usless against beasts.
Let's be honest. Bloodborne Protagonist is easily the strongest, dude just casually slayed all of the old gods like it was nothing, canonically. He whooped their asses and became a eldritch god himself.
Actually, the “your enemies are past their prime” trope is in Elden Ring too. Maliketh - his black blade is stated to be a shadow of its former self. Godfrey - he literally died once Placidusax (possibly one of the strongest enemies the tarnished has faced) - was abandoned, missing 3 heads and a piece of his tail Metyr - gone schizo Radagon - hes crumbling in pieces Elden Beast - wounded and abandoned The tarnished probably would still beat these characters at full strength (because he’s immortal, except maybe Maliketh & Placidusax) but saying they’re not weakened when we go in is preposterous. The point is that this world is shattered and is in desperate need of fixing. The bosses represent that. Malenia - missing her eyes (which is why we fight in water) half her limbs are rotted away. Promised Consort Radahn - pretty much braindead, in a smaller, weaker body.
Godfrey is still at full strength because grace immortality doesn't have any negative effects Metyr was simply abandoned. Her strength is still the same Elden beast was simply using Marika as a vessel to reside in. It's not weakened Malenia was born with the blessing of an outer god and rotted even before the shattering. Miquella halted her progression with the golden needle which then she abandoned and fully embraced her blessing and became stronger. Promised consort has the blessing of the formless mother and miquella combined and is stronger than prime Radahn.
@@sevryzen6180 Godfrey is old. Metyr has a fucking open chest wound. Elden beast has a piece of its skeleton missing (shown by its weak zone being where Marika struck it) Malenia has 1 arm and leg and no eyes. PC Radahn is a zombie, and the formless mothers “blessing” just gives you her magic not necessarily amps you, Miquella does help a bit but a truly prime Radahn would be stronger.
@@justaguyontheinternet3893 Old age doesn't mean anything to an Elden Lord blessed by grace Elden beast can be killed even without striking the weak point Metyrs 'chest wound' is her vagina where she births little hands Malenia had no eyes and a prosthetic even before the shattering because of her blessing. That might be debilitating but the blessing of rot made her ultimately stronger. You're downplaying the effects that a blessing of two gods has on radahn lorewise. Consort is definitely stronger than prime radahn.
Let's not forget the Tarnished is canonically the fastest of the protagonists as he can perform light speed attack with Radhan light greatsword and avoid Miquella lightbeams
@@lilbrimu I'm talking about the lore, ofc the tarnished doesn't move at the speed of light because we wouldn't be able to see them but the item description say they do and they're always absolute
@@ThatGuy-ce7rw why? Radhan's great sword makes you perform a light speed attack which is at the speed of light, it's written like that, it's no exaggeration or hyperbole because item descriptions are always right, it's the words of the developer unless it's quoting someone in game. If you don't think it's a light speed attack because tarnished don't move at the speed of light then yeah no shit it's a game the character can't move at light speed otherwise the game would be unplayable same as using death blade doesn't stop enemy from respawning
@@tooru-kun4178 people truly believe things on a surface level, dont beat urself up arguing with them lol, “its not actually 🤓 lightspeed because its clearly slower than (whatever)”
I think its also important to remember that the slayer of demons canonically only dies in human form. If he dies in soul form then he dies permanently. So lore wise he can only dies at most once per area. I don't think it would rise him above sekrio but i think its still important to the lore of demons souls.
A lot of people say that our ashen one already succeeded in linking the first flame but allowed the honour to his friend, but idk where their source is.
some things I'd like to just say. You mentioned that in each Dark Souls game the cycle of fire continues, but I don't think that is the case with dks3. The cycle seems so tired when you link the flame that I think the next subsequent Ashen one won't be able to re-ignite it. Dks3 also has a few other interesting endings where I feel like the Ashen one transcends the cycle like how you said bearer of the curse does. Lastly the defeat of slave knight gael is in my mind a monumental task. When we encounter gael we do so at the end of all things. Gael is missing just one fragment of the dark soul, which is our own. This means that gael has likely hunted down all fragments from the original progenitor pygmy which likely means all of humanity. You can see how he can barely hold back all of the humanity within him by the way his cloak has screaming faces. Now I don't think your list is incorrect, just wanted to gush about the ashen one vs gael a bit haha. EDIT: Wouldn't be a comment on a darksouls vid without people arguing in the replies haha...
You’re wrong about gael. The dark soul has been burned away for thousands of years, and he gets defeated by someone that can barely even link the flame. He’s one of the weakest bosses in terms of lore
@@Scowleasy You must be trolling. One of the main reasons the age of fire was around was to try and keep the Dark Soul in check by dealing with humanities champion's in a way that keeps the god's in power. Nothing shows that the Dark Soul was any weaker and the Ashen One didn't just barely link the fire like you claim.
@@ScowleasyThe Dark Soul was feared specifically because it could split itself infinitely and never lose its power or potential. Because of this, Gwyn hijacked humanity and used them as the foundation of the Age of Fire. It’s impossible to “burn away” the Dark Soul because it’s literally infinite. So long as Humans exist, so too will the Dark Soul.
@@dragonearth5456Manus was a problem because his humanity became wild and thats the furtive pigmee after splitting the dark soul to all of humanity imagine a dude who now has collected pretty much all of it and its only missing one part
@@quetzalcoatl1013 What? the dark soul cant "split itself infinitely" it like the light soul just both have the capability to be partitioned to small pieces but it is no way endless or infinite in power/potential we literally see and hear that Gael needed to gather dried up pieces of the dark soul from the pygmy lords which I remind you is the direct successor of the pygmy they had the biggest part of the dark but even at the very end of the world are similarly affected by the entropy. iirc gwyn made use of the dark soul since it grows stronger or maybe wilder when the flame begins to snuff out again i dont direcly recall this specifically but the fact that Gael had to gather the dark soul within himself tells us it degraded to the point that the biggest pieces had to be combined to make paint for a new painted world.
@@CelestialDraconis Oh, yeah? Ok. The Tarnished has defeated all the demigods who possessed Great Runes, he even defeated the strongest ones like Radahn who could hold the stars, he even defeated a Promised Consort Radahn amplified by the power of Miquella along with her abilities, he is also even capable of rivaling the power of Outer Gods like Scarlet Rot and her vessel was Malenia who he was also able to defeat, the same Mogh with the Formless Mother, he is able to defeat Midra, Metyr, he is also able to defeat Godfrey, the First Elden Lord and the first of the Tarnished, who defeated the Giants, he also defeats Radagon who is a purebred God, he also defeats dragons like Bayle, and above all Placidusax who can transcend space and time, he also defeats Maliketh who possessed the Rune of Destined Death and most importantly, he defeated Elden Beast who in the description of his rune literally explains that he is the physical embodiment and the concept of Order, and if that were not enough, in one of the endings The Tarnished is the vessel of the Frenzied Flame. The Tarnished outperforms The Hunter in every aspect, he simply has better weapons, he can compete with The Hunter's speed, he is more skilled, he has better abilities: spells, pyromancies, enchantments, and he has better feats, the least The Hunter can have over The Tarnished is IQ and Endurance, The Hunter is the second most powerful here, at least for me. Now, please try and convince me that The Hunter is better if you have better arguments than calling me "gOoFy aSs", if so I will gladly admit that I am wrong.
If we go by lore, the Hunter would be the actual most broken one, also correction, he fought only 2 Great Old Ones, Moon Precence and Infant of Kos who are by default by lore, way stronger than even the strongest Elder Ring being Dont forget that Cthulu type beings are allways leagues above any other godly figure that the concept of death doesnt even apply, and Hunter kills 1 (or 2 in DLC) true Great Old Ones and becomes one himself above those ones
u don't, you are either their vessel or a puppet, at no point you beat the outer gods (actual gods) at most you beat their vessels (radagon, midra, malenia) or their children (metyr and EB)
@@CheeseOfMasters elden beast and metyr are envoys of the greater will, and exist to enforce the GW will over marika and the world(planet). but the GW has long stopped communicating with them
Sekiro is also a masterful tactician. He approaches his battle with deadly precision and also plans out his approach. I don't think that's to be underestimated since the moment you make a mistake he's landing a shinobi execution
Asides from Sekiro, it's just a simple "powercreep" progression of the games getting more "epic", faster and more detailed in combat gameplay Is this lore?
Its simple, i am simply the strongest reincarnate throughout the soulsborne journey. It was me who defeated the gods, it was me who discovered all forms of magic and weaponry. Only i stand above my enemies, so do you.
Hunter becomes a great one. That’s not some casual power up, moon presence casually creates dimensions and can cause madness on a cosmic scale. Some great ones like oedon are so powerful they’re not even included in the game, said to be formless and omnipotent. These beings cosmic, some of course are weak, or “lesser” like ebriatas whose way past her prime or the brain of mensis who was imprisoned by the school of mensis. But the heavy hitters i would argue are on par with elden ring’s outer gods, which to show the sheer power gap between them and anything we fight in elden ring, general radan held back the stars supposedly on a universal scale. Malenia is merely empowered by the outer god of the scarlet rot, and when she realized she was outmatched she unleashed the scarlet rot, which completely nulified radan and utterly destroyed his mind, leaving him wandering in the red desert for a quick death. That’s just a portion of an outer god’s strength, in elden ring they are so far beyond anything in that realm that they don’t even interfere aside from of course the greater will who wants us to fix the world under their rule. The idea that we as the protagonist not only defeated a great one on the powerscale of the moon presence, but also ascend to literal outer god level, imo the hunter takes it. Until we see the tarnished kill an outer god (which hey it can happen in an elden ring 2) i dont think the tarnished is on par with the hunter in their final forms
arguably the biggest achievement of the chosen undead is not manus but bed of chaos since he puts out the flame of chaos which consumed even the witch of izalith and two of her daughters together.
Tarnished only killed one outer god, the good hunter killed two, plus every other character is a super powered zombie and the hunter is just a regular guy All I gotta say
The video mentioned that the Hunter did so by exploiting their specific weakness. Basically, becoming immune to their(And only their) specific hax. Tarnished beat Elden Beast, Malenia(Goddess) and Miquella with pure power. Have them face off and Hunter has no chance since he's relying on those specific anti-hax.
@c0n33r I have no idea how knowing a weakness somehow invalidates your strength I think that's just working smarter. Also Malenia is NOT full power not even close
Weak physically but absurd In terms of influence. They don’t need to fight to achieve their objectives when they can just manipulate things in their favor.
Hunter is extremely powerful. But people saying he's any less powerful than the Tarnished is wrong. Hunter has slain outer gods but so has the Tarnished. The difference is that the outer gods that the Tarnished fought are actually competent fighters while being powerful creatures able to manipulate reality like Bloodborne's outer gods. I also feel that Elden Ring's outer gods' influence on the world is also more potent than Bloodborne's. They're extremely subtle about it and are manipulating scenes behind multiple walls. It's only until the DLC that we learn what was actually going on with the whole world. But that's just a matter of opinion on which form of manipulation you prefer in writing
I think it's DS3 because you have the potential to be a "True Monarch". DS2 lets you come close by rejecting the Throne of Want and seeking transcendence like Aldia, but DS3 lets you rule over a whole new cycle of cycles.
Being the ruler of a new cycle makes you no different from someone like Gwyn. You are the start of the new cycle, and that cycle will end. The true power is breaking out of the cycle.
Funnily enough I think that means they are not a true monarch, in darksouls 3 all your doing is continuing the cycle of death and rebirth. A true monarch would find a way to break the cycle entirely.
The Ashen One and the Tarnished are super close in power, but here’s why the Ashen One might edge out: The Ashen One takes control of the First Flame itself, the power that literally defines their universe. With the Usurpation of Fire ending, they break the cycle of fire and dark, transcending fate and becoming a godlike figure completely independent of outside forces. They also defeat the Soul of Cinder, which is basically the culmination of all who’ve ever kindled the flame. The Tarnished is insanely powerful too, though. They defeat cosmic-level beings like Radahn (who holds the stars), Malenia, and even the Elden Beast, gaining control of the Elden Ring to reshape reality itself. They’ve got a wider range of powers to draw on, but their strength is still tied to the Elden Ring and the Greater Will’s system. So, the Ashen One might win because their power is more intrinsic and metaphysical: they transcend their world’s entire system. The Tarnished is super close, though, because their feats and raw versatility are unmatched. Depends on how you weigh their worlds’ rules. AND let’s not forget that the Ashen One defeated Gael: The Ashen One’s victory over Gael is even crazier when you think about the context: by the time they fight him, Gael has consumed the Dark Soul and is basically the last being standing at the end of time. He’s absorbed the remnants of humanity and everything left in the world to become this ultimate, godlike figure. So the Ashen One isn’t just fighting a powerful foe; they’re defeating someone who’s literally consumed everything and everyone else. That’s on top of all their other feats, like taking the First Flame. It just shows how far beyond mortal limits they’ve gone. Gael being the last thing left makes this one of the most insane feats in the entire series.
It's actually a pretty popular theory that Aldia or possibly even Bearer themselves was the First Scholar. The person who taught Lothric and convinced him to abandon the linking of fire. If this is true, then technically, Bearer is responsible for practically everything that happened in DS3, and all he had to do was tell a prince a bit of forbidden knowledge.
Hunter is the strongest he have the most hax and abilites of all them and its not even close, also hunter fought gods and killed them in one night without fight experience and skill! Also hunter in lore scales to outversal
I thought we already had established that the Tarnished was weaker than the Hunter or Ashen One. The most powerful beings the Tarnished has defeated are Radagon and Elden Beast who are lore wise stronger than Consort Radahn. Meanwhile The Hunter defeats Lovecraftian gods through enough insight to reach them and is also powerful enough to harness cosmic powers such as summoning an actual small star exploding in it's hand. The Ashen One fought both the combination of all lords and the dark soul, which are direct opposite to each other. Gael was the most powerful being the Ashen One defeated because of how strong the dark soul was because the fire was fading. Not to mention that the Soul of Cinder is a master of all forms clearly shown in the boss fight moves and even uses spells never seen before.
strange point Consort Radahn and Miquella are like Godrfey + Marika in their prime: they are literally newborn God and Elden lord. While Radagon is just a part of Marika, like st.Trina was once part of Miquella before he became a god. Elden Beast seems to be... What is it even? Part of Marika's godhood powers? As for Ashen one, I believe the flame is fading for a long, so everything became less powerfull comparing to DS1.
I would like to point out that miquela refers to the tarnished as Lord of the old order implying that the tarnished has already bested the elden beast, yet is still very confident in taking the tarnished head on.
Slayer of demon's has uninterruptable hyper armour on cursed dragon bone smasher rolling attacks and running firestorm He would destroy every other build imo
Dark Lothric straight sword, lothric shield, chaos dagger 30/30 split fth/int Hornet ring Drakeblood/dragonslayer armor Try something? Get parried and one-shot. Get hit? Destruction in a few incredibly quick R1s.
Fun fact the showing of the boss fight Promised consort radahn was literally first time I've seen anything of the dlc due to my promises to go in blind
How would you rank each souls character?
No more "Bloodborne where" comments, my pc survived the emulator!
lowkey I agree with the entire list
Sekiro is number 1 for me
I think Shura Sekiro could take out half of the other characters
I pretty much agree with the ranking and it sucks that in dark souls 1 you don't fight anyone in their prime. When Gwyn was not holloed and just a shell of himself he nearly killed all dragons and created lightning magic (if I remember correctly) and Artorias had his arm broken. this is just what ifs but if even just those two hadn't been corrupted or hollowed it would likely move him to hunter or even the ashen one. I might just be upset with the ranking but i believe if everyone (all the ppl on this list) fought enemies in their prime the ranking would be much different. thats all
otherwise, this ranking is completely fair.
Slayer of Demons has the amazing ability to climb knee-high walls, making him the third most powerful protagonist behind the Tarnished and Sekiro.
Lmao, true though
"Ewin!!"
"No, you are in, I am out!"
Only some though...
Ashen one in last till they turn the poise on
I'll never understand why they didn't keep this
"what makes hunter so powerfull?"
Hunter: i cast gun.
When sekiro parries the parry
Ds and Eldenring protag has shields
@Donja-mz6hp I suspect you're the only person who knows that this is the most powerful attack in all of souls unless Metyr really summons a black hole
@@olivierexe2502 Dude, no matter of power or who even cares who would win. Hunter vs Sekrio would go so hard!
Sekiro : I cast parry the bullets like the main character of a shonen
Ashen one also kills ds3 dogs. These entities are known to possess dimension warping powers with their ability to teleport behind you from outside your fov
not teleportation per se, more like warping out of and then back into reality somewhere else.
@@spazzmaticus9086 so...teleporting..
@@ryanvandoren1519 not really, since they are still moving in real time and don't move instantaneously to be behind you.
@spazzmaticus9086 idk man, if you watch limit breakers video on the dogs, he shows a free cam. The dogs will literally teleport behind you. Guess we're saying the same thing a different way.
@@ryanvandoren1519 I also got my information from the limit breakers video, and he does specify how the dogs are technically still moving, it's just that they are invisible when out of the players view, giving the illusion of teleportation.
It's all fun and games until Gael's cape get a moveset
tbh I was expecting to get it as a weapon after defeating him instead of the repeating crossbow
@@Saqr-rv6lbso many times I wished we got armor that doubles as weapons. Like in the DLC Dane gets a seal as a necklace and I feel like having it would be so cool
@@Conimon+1
All we got was the thornes armor crap
IG we might get justice in Elden Ring 2 If there ever was one
@@Saqr-rv6lb Miyazaki shut that down. If there is one he ain’t touching it
Then he'd be half of Upper Moon 6!
The Tarnished has gotten pretty absurd in terms of feats with SotE. You beat a God and his Lord at the same time.
And multiple people undefeated until the shattering
But how strong is that god? Miquella is NOT a warrior, I would argue that defeating Radagon is a much more impressive feat because he is both Elden lord and a god (according to the Gold Mask's quest)
And Malenia as well
@@guerreiroazul3230 Miquella may not be a warrior, but he is fresh, at peak power and spamming it relentlessly.
Radagon is much less impressive in his fight by comparison. I certainly think the Marika/Radagon fusion is not at peak power in that fight, you can see it from the crumbling body too.
Also, never found Radagon that impressive a warrior. The best he has on resume is being tied to Marika, and a stalemate with Rennala in the Liurnian Wars. Hell, he was just handed his position as Elden Lord by virtue of that connection, he didn't do shit to prove himself for it like Godfrey or the Tarnished. Peak Radahn is more impressive than normal Radagon as a warrior.. he was even looking up to Godfrey as a warrior's role model rather than his own father lol.
@@guerreiroazul3230 it was stated even before DLC, that he was destined to be the strongest empyrian, and yeah, malenia is also an empyrian
Sekiro is the strongest, because he can swim.
Lol good point
Also, he CAN TALK!
Also, he CAN STOP THE FRICKING GAME.
And? The Gravity doesn't one shot him!!
Yeah, but he doesn't have a horned horse. Lose.
That’s no random sewer rat, that’s dark souls 1 rat!!
Their poison status stay on player so long that by the time it runs out my dad comes back home with milk
aAAaaAhhHHh....
YOU DIED
I’ve seen you write this exact… random ass comment in multiple videos now
While Dark Souls 1 rat does have deadly poison, the actually strongest rats are Elden Ring rats, as they can lunge trice as far like Bloodborne rats, grow into enormous sized far more often, and are much tankier than all the others.
Have not had the courage to finish darks souls 1 because of those rats💀🙏🏽, i can at least play through ds3, bloodborne and elden ring without seeing them but those rats are the bane of my existence
8:40 have you noticed dead demons and just the lack of them in DS3? Chaos is extinguished, demons are slowly turning extinct, due to Bearer of the Curse, Chad Ivory King and Alsanna
Don't demons become extinct because the bed of chaos was their only spawn point?
@@CorfeanNope, the whole old chaos thing happens way after bed of chaos was defeated
CU and the black knights also did a number on them
The Strongest souls protagonist were the friends we made along the game.
Real Sekiro won't be able to handle the Gank
@@lilbrimuthe fucking monks 💀
They are all dead or clinically insane tho
In fairness, that's kinda true. Solaire and Tarkus forever to be remembered
They're fromsoftware games, the friends we made along the way are all dead.
Patches solos.
he can travel between universes at his will and TOYS with the souls protagonists
He's also in Armored Core, meaning he has a giant fuckin mech
@@apuffball5754is he on the latest AC game?
@rainqueens1731 nope, but he's in the rest if I remember right
Didn’t Patches originate in AC?
@@gemmafire8628 specifically For Answer as "Patches the Good Luck"
hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby vs coughing baby vs coughing baby vs coughing baby vs coughing baby vs coughing baby, I won't elaborate
Ok, have a great day 😃👌
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If we were smart we would know Who actually is the Fromsoftware hidrogen bomb, and as a clue, is from one of the recent games...
HELL YEAH, A F*CKING ARMORED CORE, WHO ASKED ABOUT WHAT SOME LAME BOY DID AND CAN DO , SEND HIM A GRANADE THAT CAN DESINTEGRATE HIM ON A 200M RADIOUS
Yeah makes no sense, should've elaborated
@@JoseViktor4099 The only correct answer
I'm pretty sure canonnically the dark souls 2 protaganist becomes an immortal unhallwoing undead and leaves the flame. I don't beleive he is apart of the soul of cinder.
They broke the cycle and were the only ones able to do so
@@epicn00b Well arguably Dark Souls 1 Dark Lord ending seems to be canon *(only after DLC) and not inside Soul of Cinder as well since he doesn't spam black sorceries, only blue ones.
Ds3 clearly sets up the theme that everyone keeps rekindling the first flame, the ds2 guy didnt so it just sat there until some smuck walts in and jumps into a fire since we already beat everyone?? That doesnt even make sense, DS3 shows that you have to be really strong to even link the flame and its obvious the ds2 protag is the one to do it in his era, he's the one who holds all 4 lord souls
I play the trilogy as the same character so they kind of are in the Soul of Cinder. Chosen Undead links the flame, all their souls/power is burned away.
Later they are reincarnated into a new body, the Bearer of the Curse. They refuse to link the flame this time and wander the world as other champions burn up. They later try to take on Soul of Cinder but their heart isn’t in it so they are defeated and burned to ash.
Later, the bell rings and they give it a genuine attempt, succeed, then snuff out the flame in attempt to end the cycle.
@@GreatRaijinWe never actually see the Lord Souls though in the fight, it’s very likely that the Bearer is one of the few people who actually survived the events of DS3.
Sekiro can jump higher, and swim without drowing. I will not elaborate.
But can he ride a horse, roll, wield hundreds of different weapons, cast magic/incantations, hyperarmor tho?
@@eminkilicaslan8945 no need for that stuff
@@eminkilicaslan8945 No, but he can press the L1 button to deflect most things in existence (unless a funny red symbol happens to appear above them).
@@thatgamingkiwi1630 did you know the meaning of red symbol
@@sleepingfool-v2f Looked it up real quickly and apparently it translates to "danger", very appropriate for attacks like that.
Finally someone ranks them properly with lore in mind. Fr I saw people saying hunter has super-human speed because he dodges bullets, like what are they smoking.
I mean there's an actual argument for the tarnished moving at fucking lightspeed due to consort item descriptions
The hunter is capable of dodging bullets after they were fired without quickstep and they can dodge darkbeast parl's lightning shockwave at point blank range with a quickstep. They definetly have superhuman speed. However, most souls protagonists have superhuman speeds as well.
@@leeroy2752 if hunter has superhuman speed, why does it take him so long to run from point a to b, if they are seeing the world in slow motion how come they run out of stamina after 15 second of running a short distance. If dodging those bullets give hunter superhuman speed Bloodborne dogs probably move lightspeed.
Slow projectiles are a gameplay design choice, they are not relevant to the lore.
@nephistos3746 They are important to the lore because the enemies the hunter canonically fights use guns, so unless you are saying that a normal human could dodge bullets your point is idiotic. If the hunter didn't have superhuman speed they wouldn't have gotten past the first area. So I am going to dismantle your arguments 1 by 1.
@nephistos3746 You play from the hunter's perspective. How long it takes for you to go from point A to B is irrelevant as you play from the perspective of a hunter that can dodge lightning. A normal Bloodborne run takes at least 10 hours to complete yet the whole game takes place in a single night although time being diluded in the dream makes this one of the weaker counterpoints. I think of it like the hunter is moving normally in their perspective, but everything else sees him as fast. Think about it with only movement speed the hunter wouldn't be able to dodge anything. It is a mix of reaction speed and movement speed. So it makes sense that the hunter seems to be moving normally in their perspective due to higher reaction speed = how fast your brain is able to percieve events = the general speed you see the world. This also explains why enemies seem to attack slowly, even trained hunters seem to have massive wind ups before attacking. However, lorewise Alfred is able to swing the Kirkhammer at Hypersonic speeds.
Its you. You Are the strongest character. You slayed the old warriors, the demons, the outer horrors, the demigods. You faced it all and came out on top.
I would like to give one extra piece of info for the Hunter of Bloodborne. When you kill a boss you are told 'Prey Slaughtered' Implying that YOU are the one that's meant to be feared. Not the boss.
Imagine killing an Eldritch God and calling it “Prey”, badass.
@@Nexooshto be fair, the true eldritch beings don't give a prey slaughtered message, they give "Nightmare Slain", which is, IMO, even more impressive verbiage.
@@BumNanner451and half the time, they're the ones afraid of you
@@BumNanner451 the Great Ones like Amygdala or Ebrietas say “Prey Slaughtered”, and they’re basically gods
@@NexooshNot be be a lore nerd but Ebrietas isn’t a Great One, referred to in game as a “failed great one” as in she failed in becoming one, leaving her behind as a simple Kin, albeit a very strong one. As for Amygdala, it can be inferred that due to there being not one but many Amygdala, they are a form of lesser great one. This is further evidenced by the fact they are never the source of a Nightmare like all the other very powerful Great Ones we face are, as shown by the “Nightmare Slain” message not appearing for Amygdala, but doing so for Mergo’s Wet Nurse, Moon Presence, and Orphan of Kos.
Uh, Patches isn't on this list. Null and Void.
But which patches is stronger?
Why would he? I kill him in every game. Across every universe, I will kill him 🎉
@@maiagates9130 probably elden ring patches since they don't do know bullshit and just kick you off a cliff leading you to death.
@@maiagates9130 Just as you are the same player behind the MC every single time, Patches is the same kicky guy every single time.
@@somebodyanonymous4608 you have opened my eyes, Patches is Miyasaki, thats why there he is not present in dark souls 2, now we have to measure Miyasaki strength
Tarnished just be fighting the craziest shit out of all of them. And having the biggest flashiest attacks etc
Fr bruh
@Donja-mz6hpcomet goes zzzzzzap
@Donja-mz6hpJust block and dodge the grab... It's that easy.
Being flashy doesn't mean stronger.
Honestly, Elden Lord Tarnished would qualify as a godly boss in the other games considering their abilities at that point
the fact that Tarnished have Torrent already make him/her win by miles
Sekiro stares at him in a 6ft deep pool.
@@courier6640 Tarnished slowly pulls out a hefty rot pot
@@paracame8162
Sekiro: **Flicks Mist Raven Feather Prosthetic**
@@courier6640 for a guy underWATER in range of ancient dragon lightning strike, you sure waving your fake hand quite a lot
But fr tho, Sekiro hand is pretty dope
@@vanebuster _parries the lightning_
What’s op is having the ability to phase through anything just by doing a dodge roll or jumping a few feet off the ground.
Ah yes, my favorite Sekiro character…. Sekiro
An Axe wtf 😂😂
His name is Sekiro or did i miss something?
@@byatsu3849 his name is wolf
@@byatsu3849idk if you're trolling, but it's wolf
@@The6Rude6Dude6 His name literally is Sekiro, in the last fight isshin even says come at me sekiro and well done sekiro. Wolf is the name given from his father.
i would put hunter in second, because the ashen one's first failure, i think his failure should count as a negative point, while hunter was a dying random person that ascended to godhood in 1 night
Though you can easily say the failure of the Ashen one made him more experienced afterwards.
Also, because the new game plus in Bloodborne starts right away, you can assume that no matter what hunter does, he is not able to break the chain, which for what ever reason exists. This implies that he is not keeping his power even if he manages to ascend to godhood.
The Ashen obtains the most powerful souls do to the fact each Lord killed their Great Lord Soul equivalents to link the flame.
@@luisesteves5929 New Game+ even starts with Dark Souls 2 protag walking away from the flame, so that's a moot point tbh.
I would say, oh I don't know, THE ELDRITCH GOD.
Now for the sequel: Who would win in a free for all
Prep time or no prep time?
What’s everyone else gonna do when my Tarnished summons a whole meteor shower down on them?
No meteor with anti magic field from demon's souls ❤
@@joaokof good point I forgot about that lol. He’ll have to get close enough first tho
Miquellas femboy bomb solos
I'd scale the Ashen One below the Chosen Undead purely because Lothric is a faded remnant of Lordran. Sure the Lords aren't in their prime but they're still leagues above the Lords of Cinder: a slug in a pool of its own waste, a giant sitting on his throne waiting for his friend to kill him, a group of warriors who amount to 1 lord that fell to infighting, and two princes with one deficient of mind and the other of body while the Chosen undead slayed an avatar of death, the inventor of magic, the mother of all demons, the avatars of the Abyss and of course Manus, father of the abyss
@@burghleyimeanberdly6513 ashen one is either potentially the strongest of the 3 Ds protags or the weakest. It really comes down to whether or not soul of cinder was as faded as the first flame and if gael ate more things other than the Pygmy kings.
you know, that does make me curious though when you specifically look at the abyss wathcers, how strong they actually are. I mean it's basically just a bunch of pvpers who just kill each other and infinitely respawn over and over lol. Like they have to be pretty damn strong after awhile.
Except that the Flame fames solely because it requires more and more power as it continues to grow, the reason the world is covered in ash is because the flame asks for so much power that the entire world is starting to get consumed by it. That's also why at the end of the dlc the entire world is nothing but ash, the age of fire has gone for so long that the first flame burnt everything there is and ever was into a endless desert of ashes. Lothric is stronger than Lodran ever was, but they were born twice as sick cuz the world was twice as harsher in their birth, everything sucked more for them than it ever did for Lodran, basically
@@iamMildlyUpsetWithMostOfYouTub I think Gael's strength it's not about what or how much he ate, more about his being the incarnation of every source of power left on that world (exept you). As long as a world hosts any source of power, that source represents a world-scale power, so it's the dark soul that Gael possesses
Soul of Cinder and Slave Knight Gael scale above all of them and Ashen one beats them
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bait used to be - HOLY SHIT IS THAT RAVEN
Bearer of the number 9 in the ac series have way better skill , hide their skill and refuse to die.
"Hi, I'm goku, I heard you were pretty strong."
Good list good list, but i can't help but imagine Good Hunter and Bearer of the Curse looking over at the Tarnished like "how does it feel to know that you have the most endings and yet none of them set you free?"
Are you under the impression that becoming the Lord of Frenzied Flame doesn't set you free?
@@saninpain gaining freedom and offing yourself is a little different things. At best just champion of another outer bufoon in the form of Frenzied Flame
The hunter also does everything in a single evening. The journey starts around sunset 5-7pm and the moon presence is fought around 12 am.
The bearer of the curse keep his promise of remembering Lucatiel so just for that he is the strongest
"what makes hunter so powerful?"
Hunter is so powerful that they ascended past humanity and transformed into a literal God
God is a term used to describe beings of varying power in souls games. On one hand you have beings like Marika, and Gwyn. Gods, yet inescapably linked to reality and its natures. Beings who have taken power, or been given it by greater entities or forces. Yet are slaves to that very power.
One the other hand you have entities like The Great ones, and Elden Rings outer Gods. Transcendent and whos nature isn't governed by space and time, and are anathema to the minds of those within. They hold the power to shape existence itself with their influence.... Needless to say the Hunter didn't just become a God. He became a transcendent Great One. A god among gods.
@@Richard3rd665just waiting for a hunter on roid to come and bend you, like ds3 soul of cinder lmfao
Hunter deals with outer space monsters daily, have gun, and he IS THE BOSS hunting his preys.
Bearer of the curse just become tarnished
I will argue Sekiro can take the others even in heavy armor because unlike Armored Warrior, they aren’t immune to poison, fire and every other element
hold my boluses
Hold my moss clump
Hold my antidote
Hold my lotus
There's also the fact that Sekiro could learn other weapons.
Hm... I wonder if the Mortal Blade is truly an advantage, or if it depends on the source of immortality. I mean, in the Dark Souls trilogy, the immortality stems from Gwyns curse, from the Dark Sign. Or in Elden Ring, it comes from the absence of the Rune of Death. Especially in Elden Ring, the Mortal Blade would have to go against the laws of the world to kill someone. But it is a very interesting question, I would love to know what would happen were the Mortal Blade was used in any of the other FromSoft universes.
Well killing with the Red Mortal Blade gives out the screen message of Immortality Severed so I would assume that if there is a source of immortality whether that be a great source of power or a mere link that the bearer relies upon, the Mortal Blade can handily do the job.
The Elden Ring example you gave probably won't work with the Red Mortal Blade given that it's more like a stasis than anything to be severed.
The Red Mortal Blade doesn't bend the order of nature after all. It is simply a tool that trims abuse against the natural order.
The Tarnished had destined death explode in his face and flung him all the way from Farum Azula to Leyndell and they were fine. His immortality even worked against Mind Control(Miquella), Other outer god influences(Scarlet rot) and even DEPRESSION (Lamenter). They got full control of the death rune during that cutscene.
Who is Truly the Strongest Souls Protagonist? You. You are.
A naked man with a pot on his head solos
Theres many hints at the fact that The Tarnished is actually a demigod illegitimate child of Marika, who once upon a time died without achieving anything of note and being entombed in a walking mausoleum, then taken by the maiden to the church where you wake up to have your head grafted onto your body once more, but before you wake up she dies of wounds inflicted by the scion and so you begin your journey. This comes from japanese translations of the description of the walking mausoleums, since those (og descriptions) imply that the mausoleums house the remains of illegitimate demigods who await resurrection. In the beggining of the game the presumed sounds of the shattering are also similar to what a walking mausoleum creates. Also when Gideon dies in his fight he says that no MERE tarnished can become elden lord, but it might not be an insult but a realisation that YOU are NOT a MERE tarnished. All of those hints combined with both Miyazaki and Martin being who they are im fairly certain we play a Demigod son of Marika in Elden Ring.
Mmmh it's a bit of a stretch
The Tarnished maiden isn't killed by the scion, she's killed by Varre.
I mean only thing that would make this believable is just how much Japaneses and RR love incestuous romance....wait a sec tarnished and ranni......oh shit I see
Tbh most Elden Ring theories qualify under "a bit of a stretch".
This is a cool theory, albeit one I personally abhor for one simple reason; it makes the Tarnished someone innately special. Part of the charm of these games is that you ever play the underdog, a nobody who has to overcome impossible odds both as the character and as the actual player.
But being born a demigod? That's almost akin to being the chosen one... Which goes against the core concept of these games.
Bro really put Demon’s at the bottom to avoid Redditors 💀
Bearer of the curse will always be strongest in my heart, mostly because im a fan of peak souls 2.
Need Dark Souls 2 2
@@CatbutnoWaresit's called elden ring
@@CatbutnoWares no what we really need is a full remake of dark souls 2.
@@gavinriggi9469hell yeah!
@@gavinriggi9469damn straight
I still believe that the hunter is the strongest, because when they fight gods they are actual gods that can reshape reality, but when we talk about gods in dark souls their usually people who acquire some form of assent soul.
The Bearer of the Curse might be the strongest. It all depends on the perspective you take.
For me, this is it.
Gwyn, the god of sunlight feared humanity for their limitless potential, the dark soul was a great blessing and a great curse if left alone. And so the great lord did all he did.
Vendrick comes to be the realization of that limitless potential Gwyn feared. A human, one with the power to conquer and tame the great souls and build a kingdom on them.
We have evidence that Vendrick even attempted to raid the sunken king and the old iron king and likely succeed in both as we know Sir Yorgh killed the sunken king and the iron king died at his own creations hands.
Moreover Vendrick took his conquest to the land of the giants and laid waste on them, taking a precious treasure from them and using them as slaves and the basis for his golems.
Vendrick at the very end of his conquest had achieved the peak of humanity.
Even after millenia as a hollow he is still an extreme force. Nashandra dared not seek him (nor was she able to). His hollowed self is so strong the bearer of the curse would need the souls of the giants and their unending hatred to bring down his defenses.
Just imagine how strong you have to be to the point even your weakest self needs to be further nerfed by hatred that has been brewing for millenia.
As we know, the dark soul doesn't become weaker as it loses pieces of itself, to the contrary, and I believe Vendrick reached the potential for it.
But even then, this conqueror, this God of a man that represented all Gwyn feared, dared not invade a certain someone.
Eleum Loyce is a kingdom built on top of hell itself, all because of a man so powerful and yet so pure that wanted to protect others. The Ivory King is the only one who wasn't attacked by Vendrick, was it because of the chaos roaming the land or was it because the King, it's not clear.
The Ivory King was so strong his efforts were pretty much what led to the demon kind dying out as we see in dark souls 3. For context the old chaos is as strong if not stronger than the first flame.
The king was able to keep this chaos at bay, Vendrick at bay and anyone who intended to go after his people was put down.
Even Alsanna, another fragment of Manus, fell to the might of the Ivory King literally overcoming her very essence for what He believed and stood for.
And even when his soul started to degrade, be it because of the dark or the chaos, the king still had the power to plunge himself into it and keep chaos itself contained but in return chaos gained their ultimate champion.
The Bearer of the Curse, on his quest for something beyond the cycle, went looking for his crown. And in doing so he fought Chaos' new champion, the Ivory King who still retained his power bolstered by the flame of chaos and he still fell to our sword.
The Bearer of the Curse, just like the Ashen One, fought the best of humanity, the highest power of the dark soul and yet his journey took him to a higher level.
The Burnt Ivory King DLC is the final one because it shows how we have transcended the cycle, power beyond what the first flame offered and now we look for something else, something more, something beyond all of it.
Tarnished kill that easy
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The protagonist for ds3 literally fights Gael who has 99 percent basically the complete dark soul. Not a fragment. Not a piece. Not fragments, the whole complete dark soul, the only Part of the dark soul that was left , was you , and you beat him AND the soul of cinder.
@@antgarza4031 Like I said, the dark soul doesn't become weaker as it loses pieces of itself, any piece can become stronger and stronger and in the case of Vendrick, the Ivory king, Manus and of course, ourselves, it only becomes stronger as time goes on. The complete dark soul may be stronger than the strongest fragments or it could be just as strong as the strongest fragment, idk. There is never a clear answer on that, specially when said fragments can be consumed/used as weapons or spells.
The Bearer of the Curse is like the Big Boss of Dark Souls. Sipping martinis on a beach somewhere while the world could really use his help
One thing to note when powerscaling the heros of the Souls Game.
1. I would say that the Hunter is on par to Tarnished purely because he eventually becomes a eldritch God by the end of the game. Its still in a juvenile state. But a God nonetheless.
2. The Tarnished literally becomes the Lord of Frenzy Flame. Which destroys all life as they know it. You can assume that this includes every coop world you fight against. As they are similarly adjacent to every players world. (You even get the message that a player has become Elden Lord when online and playing the game individually.)
This means that the Tarnished (when becoming the lord of Frenzy) completely erases the cycle as they know it. Which is MUCH different then merely escaping the cycle.
3. The Tarnished has EXTREMELY BROKEN hax for some reason. I think he is the only one that would resist the mortal blade, as the Black Blade and Messmers flame kills both soul and body simultaneously. Lets not even mention the Black Flame which is (presumably) the original form of the Rune of Death.
4. The Ashen One kills both disparities almost at their prime during the worlds beginning. He also kills the last of the demon princes, which would reach their primes or close to it. Slave Knight Gael is extremely based, as he not only has the blood of the dark soul of humanity. But through mixing with his own blood, had transformed it into its purest unrivalled state. A state that even surpasses Manus in its potency.
There was something rather curious too. Maliketh who wields Death itself is able to erase the soul of someone on pair with their flesh. Lore wise the Tarnished was never once touched by Maliketh. Which essentially implies that the Tarnished was just making fun of the doggo.
Gael is a hollow husk, a once slave who manages to hold on until the world turn to ash and dust only for a promise to a little girl. But we have no reason to think it was strength that got him there, only a steadfast will, and even that has waned when we start the fight with him. There is little to no reason to think he is stronger than Manus, even if his blood holds the dark soul. The demon princes too are already weakened and already defeated by Lorian, so they too are far cry from anything impressive compared to the previous 2 games.
@@hapmaplapflapgap gael killed everything bro... he low diffs manus
@@Ixckar Destined Death doesn't instantly Erase your soul, seeing as how in lore the game doesn't act like the Tarnished bodied Godfrey or Radahn with the power of Destined Death, despite the fact that canonically the Tarnished should have Destined Death at that point.
Little thing to note, the Undead of Dark Souls do NOT need their souls to come back from the dead, this is shown on multiple occasions, through multiple weapons that steal souls, through bosses that steal souls, even with out of game material, destroying any of the Dark Souls' protagonists would not stop them from coming back
The hunter was the boss from the beginning and then became a God.
I 100% disagree with the Hunter being number 3. Lovecraftian beings don’t NEED to have incredible combat skills because most people can’t even comprehend them.
If any other MC fought great ones they would die before they even knew what they were fighting. Maybe except the Tarnished.
Aye, merely being able to observe and comprehend the eldritch- nevermind actually being able to interact with, harm or even KILL THEM- implies that the character is genuinely, outright simply "built different".
The Gods you fight still are not particularly powerful fighters, with most of their otherworldly power amounting to little more than "glowing bullets of energy" or "giant light explosion", this still does not really take away from the fact that you still need to be able to interact with them to begin with.
Tarnished uniquely fits this requirement, as many of the greater powers in Elden Ring are literally just Outer Gods, or avatars of them. And Tarnished kills them, as well.
By the end of Elden Ring the Tarnished gains bureaucratic power over the laws of physics, I'd say that makes them the strongest
The ashen one not only fought 4 "Chosen Undeads" ie people who previously linked the flame, meaning rank 3's in the powerscaling, he also fought the literal embodiement and amalgamation of the other chosen undeads + Gwyn in the form of Soul of Cinder. Not only that he freakin' fought Gwyn's son and his dragon mount, who's also an Undead which one could argue makes him even tougher. And then he also fights a master swordsman of londor who posses the black flame, the last living dragon Midir who's boosted by the dark which arguably makes him stronger than literal manus, last but not the least, Gael, the last living thing at the end of time. Fuckin' epic.
4 "chosen undeads" added along with everyone you beat throughout the game when linking the fire barely covers the ashen ones body its a pretty explicit theme and message throughout the game that the present is faaar lesser than in the past in massive part of keeping the 1st flame lit everything that has modicum of power has already burned and the literal dregs is keeping it from keeling over. Its pretty clear cut when you compare the 2 fire link endings that the power of the souls is so degraded its barely keeping the 1st flame intact.
I feel like this is stupid, but these outer gods from bloodborne
are pretty much unbeatable in the first places. If we going with lovecraft scaling then it would not be even close. The hunters becomes infant great ones in the end defeating moon presence is pretty much more impressive than any souls lore we encounter
It's gotta be our Tarnished. In the DLC we LITERALLY kill Prime Radahn and Prime Miquella in a 2v1. That's not an easy thing to do.
The Ashen One is literally fighting in collapsing timelines as seen in the Ringed City and fighting the Soul Of Cinder. The Dark Souls verse is basically a black hole that is the first flame but at a cosmic scale which is why time and space is merging to begin with.
@@IveBeenWithBrumathe tarnished is able to kill someone with the power of deleting your from existence (maliketh), the daughter of an immortal entity that can throw black holes, event horizons, supernova, and the son (elden beast) who is literally the definition of rules of the universe.
Elden ring protagonist is a living cheat code
@@AtomicZamurai The Ashen One technically has the highest cosmology feats since it is a collapsing multiverse. Plus they are slaying beings who were capable of killing their own great lords to link the first flame only the Ashen One has to do it again this time with the equivalent of several chosen as their souls instead of the great lords.
Prime Radahn got beaten by Malenia in his own home, and Miquella is not a warrior so his presence is mute outside of maybe the light attacks if you want to interpret them as light speed. The hunter also has light speed as he dodges Ebrietas' laser, has fought beings even greater than the Outer Gods (something that the Tarnished doesn't come close to doing) and his immortality is forever, whild the Tarnished's immortality is iffy seeing as how many Tarnished just die and don't come back like Dialos, Vyke and D.
@@guerreiroazul3230 Radhan was still holding back the Stars at the point of fighting Malenia and was still not tired while Malenia was about to die it wouldn't even have been close if Radahn didn't hold back the stars at that time.
1:07 A "Tick Fog" sounds completely terrifying TBH.
I can't believe how smooth Bloodborne is on pc now
0:24 i would love to see the hunter having a stand off woth glock saint isshin LMAOOOOOO
Kinda funny, apart from sekiro I think with a bit of trouble that the hunter would be the only one who could kill him
Im still going to put Hunter on top because of 2 things.
1) he can rip your asshole in half using his bare hand with a critical attack
2) they dont wear armor or use shields because its usless against beasts.
He's maidenless tho...
Um, the doll?
He doesn't need a maiden when he/she has a housewife@@andrespuente1289
@@andrespuente1289doll
Against beasts and gods*
First thing I noticed in DS3 is that you only hollow if you choose to which tells me that the Bearer helped Aldia cure the undead curse for everyone
I was moving the cursor to close tab around 14:00 then you made me feel sad so stayed. Take my thumbs up. :(
Let's be honest.
Bloodborne Protagonist is easily the strongest, dude just casually slayed all of the old gods like it was nothing, canonically.
He whooped their asses and became a eldritch god himself.
Actually, the “your enemies are past their prime” trope is in Elden Ring too.
Maliketh - his black blade is stated to be a shadow of its former self.
Godfrey - he literally died once
Placidusax (possibly one of the strongest enemies the tarnished has faced) - was abandoned, missing 3 heads and a piece of his tail
Metyr - gone schizo
Radagon - hes crumbling in pieces
Elden Beast - wounded and abandoned
The tarnished probably would still beat these characters at full strength (because he’s immortal, except maybe Maliketh & Placidusax) but saying they’re not weakened when we go in is preposterous. The point is that this world is shattered and is in desperate need of fixing. The bosses represent that.
Malenia - missing her eyes (which is why we fight in water) half her limbs are rotted away.
Promised Consort Radahn - pretty much braindead, in a smaller, weaker body.
This was my thinking, isshin was at least revived at peak strength + immortality
Godfrey is still at full strength because grace immortality doesn't have any negative effects
Metyr was simply abandoned. Her strength is still the same
Elden beast was simply using Marika as a vessel to reside in. It's not weakened
Malenia was born with the blessing of an outer god and rotted even before the shattering. Miquella halted her progression with the golden needle which then she abandoned and fully embraced her blessing and became stronger.
Promised consort has the blessing of the formless mother and miquella combined and is stronger than prime Radahn.
@@sevryzen6180 Godfrey is old.
Metyr has a fucking open chest wound.
Elden beast has a piece of its skeleton missing (shown by its weak zone being where Marika struck it)
Malenia has 1 arm and leg and no eyes.
PC Radahn is a zombie, and the formless mothers “blessing” just gives you her magic not necessarily amps you, Miquella does help a bit but a truly prime Radahn would be stronger.
@@justaguyontheinternet3893 Old age doesn't mean anything to an Elden Lord blessed by grace
Elden beast can be killed even without striking the weak point
Metyrs 'chest wound' is her vagina where she births little hands
Malenia had no eyes and a prosthetic even before the shattering because of her blessing. That might be debilitating but the blessing of rot made her ultimately stronger.
You're downplaying the effects that a blessing of two gods has on radahn lorewise. Consort is definitely stronger than prime radahn.
@ “Elden beast can be killed even without hitting the weak point” yeah but that proves hes weakened?? hes not at full strength
And the tarnished's immortality is unaffected by destined death, showing that sekiro's mortal blade would do nothing to him
Let's not forget the Tarnished is canonically the fastest of the protagonists as he can perform light speed attack with Radhan light greatsword and avoid Miquella lightbeams
"Lightspeed" Attack, Crouch poke with Collosal Swords hits faster
@@lilbrimu I'm talking about the lore, ofc the tarnished doesn't move at the speed of light because we wouldn't be able to see them but the item description say they do and they're always absolute
@@tooru-kun4178comments full of biases and misunderstanding of lore and game mechanics lol
@@ThatGuy-ce7rw why? Radhan's great sword makes you perform a light speed attack which is at the speed of light, it's written like that, it's no exaggeration or hyperbole because item descriptions are always right, it's the words of the developer unless it's quoting someone in game.
If you don't think it's a light speed attack because tarnished don't move at the speed of light then yeah no shit it's a game the character can't move at light speed otherwise the game would be unplayable same as using death blade doesn't stop enemy from respawning
@@tooru-kun4178 people truly believe things on a surface level, dont beat urself up arguing with them lol, “its not actually 🤓 lightspeed because its clearly slower than (whatever)”
I think its also important to remember that the slayer of demons canonically only dies in human form. If he dies in soul form then he dies permanently. So lore wise he can only dies at most once per area. I don't think it would rise him above sekrio but i think its still important to the lore of demons souls.
A lot of people say that our ashen one already succeeded in linking the first flame but allowed the honour to his friend, but idk where their source is.
its the hunter, 30 second long video, outro
some things I'd like to just say. You mentioned that in each Dark Souls game the cycle of fire continues, but I don't think that is the case with dks3. The cycle seems so tired when you link the flame that I think the next subsequent Ashen one won't be able to re-ignite it. Dks3 also has a few other interesting endings where I feel like the Ashen one transcends the cycle like how you said bearer of the curse does. Lastly the defeat of slave knight gael is in my mind a monumental task. When we encounter gael we do so at the end of all things. Gael is missing just one fragment of the dark soul, which is our own. This means that gael has likely hunted down all fragments from the original progenitor pygmy which likely means all of humanity. You can see how he can barely hold back all of the humanity within him by the way his cloak has screaming faces. Now I don't think your list is incorrect, just wanted to gush about the ashen one vs gael a bit haha.
EDIT: Wouldn't be a comment on a darksouls vid without people arguing in the replies haha...
You’re wrong about gael. The dark soul has been burned away for thousands of years, and he gets defeated by someone that can barely even link the flame. He’s one of the weakest bosses in terms of lore
@@Scowleasy You must be trolling. One of the main reasons the age of fire was around was to try and keep the Dark Soul in check by dealing with humanities champion's in a way that keeps the god's in power. Nothing shows that the Dark Soul was any weaker and the Ashen One didn't just barely link the fire like you claim.
@@ScowleasyThe Dark Soul was feared specifically because it could split itself infinitely and never lose its power or potential. Because of this, Gwyn hijacked humanity and used them as the foundation of the Age of Fire. It’s impossible to “burn away” the Dark Soul because it’s literally infinite. So long as Humans exist, so too will the Dark Soul.
@@dragonearth5456Manus was a problem because his humanity became wild and thats the furtive pigmee after splitting the dark soul to all of humanity imagine a dude who now has collected pretty much all of it and its only missing one part
@@quetzalcoatl1013 What? the dark soul cant "split itself infinitely" it like the light soul just both have the capability to be partitioned to small pieces but it is no way endless or infinite in power/potential we literally see and hear that Gael needed to gather dried up pieces of the dark soul from the pygmy lords which I remind you is the direct successor of the pygmy they had the biggest part of the dark but even at the very end of the world are similarly affected by the entropy. iirc gwyn made use of the dark soul since it grows stronger or maybe wilder when the flame begins to snuff out again i dont direcly recall this specifically but the fact that Gael had to gather the dark soul within himself tells us it degraded to the point that the biggest pieces had to be combined to make paint for a new painted world.
Everyone is powerful till augmented human C4-621 enters the chat
Hunter says "Parry this, you filthy casual" and shoots you with gun.
Nah, The Tarnished is more powerful than him, Hunter is the second here.
@@ThePalebloodHunter Hunter eats Tarnished for breakfast, lunch and dinner 😎
@@CelestialDraconis You're kidding right? Because I have arguments to prove that The Tarnished is stronger, I hope you have yours.
@@ThePalebloodHunter "Because I have arguments to prove 🤓" Lmao goofy ass
@@CelestialDraconis Oh, yeah? Ok.
The Tarnished has defeated all the demigods who possessed Great Runes, he even defeated the strongest ones like Radahn who could hold the stars, he even defeated a Promised Consort Radahn amplified by the power of Miquella along with her abilities, he is also even capable of rivaling the power of Outer Gods like Scarlet Rot and her vessel was Malenia who he was also able to defeat, the same Mogh with the Formless Mother, he is able to defeat Midra, Metyr, he is also able to defeat Godfrey, the First Elden Lord and the first of the Tarnished, who defeated the Giants, he also defeats Radagon who is a purebred God, he also defeats dragons like Bayle, and above all Placidusax who can transcend space and time, he also defeats Maliketh who possessed the Rune of Destined Death and most importantly, he defeated Elden Beast who in the description of his rune literally explains that he is the physical embodiment and the concept of Order, and if that were not enough, in one of the endings The Tarnished is the vessel of the Frenzied Flame.
The Tarnished outperforms The Hunter in every aspect, he simply has better weapons, he can compete with The Hunter's speed, he is more skilled, he has better abilities: spells, pyromancies, enchantments, and he has better feats, the least The Hunter can have over The Tarnished is IQ and Endurance, The Hunter is the second most powerful here, at least for me.
Now, please try and convince me that The Hunter is better if you have better arguments than calling me "gOoFy aSs", if so I will gladly admit that I am wrong.
If we go by lore, the Hunter would be the actual most broken one, also correction, he fought only 2 Great Old Ones, Moon Precence and Infant of Kos who are by default by lore, way stronger than even the strongest Elder Ring being
Dont forget that Cthulu type beings are allways leagues above any other godly figure that the concept of death doesnt even apply, and Hunter kills 1 (or 2 in DLC) true Great Old Ones and becomes one himself above those ones
Elden ring protagonist of course you become a god or destroyer of worlds
u don't, you are either their vessel or a puppet, at no point you beat the outer gods (actual gods) at most you beat their vessels (radagon, midra, malenia) or their children (metyr and EB)
Metyr is peak she is only the only souls character with a real puss-@@faithfulfollower980
@@faithfulfollower980 What implies Elden Beast is not a proper outer god? I thought he was the ruling one while the others' influence was limited.
@@CheeseOfMasters elden beast and metyr are envoys of the greater will, and exist to enforce the GW will over marika and the world(planet). but the GW has long stopped communicating with them
In DS3 you are the last being in a collapsing world you are the embodiment of all humanity and Darkness and all fire and light
Sekiro is also a masterful tactician. He approaches his battle with deadly precision and also plans out his approach. I don't think that's to be underestimated since the moment you make a mistake he's landing a shinobi execution
We got Brollo x Bloodborne crossover before GTA 6
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And I will NOT elaborate
you made some great points W list
Awesome ranking video! I agree they’re all powerful, but the Tarnished has so many feats that he’s basically in his own tier above them. 👏🏼
Strongest: Hunter
Reason: Gun
Will elaborate?: no
Isshin: let me take one out too
Sekiro: hold my gourd
@@darthbring2724 huh uh
The fact that Lore Wise Tarnished defeated all the Demigods and above with barely any scratches is wild
Asides from Sekiro, it's just a simple "powercreep" progression of the games getting more "epic", faster and more detailed in combat gameplay
Is this lore?
Its simple, i am simply the strongest reincarnate throughout the soulsborne journey. It was me who defeated the gods, it was me who discovered all forms of magic and weaponry. Only i stand above my enemies, so do you.
Hunter becomes a great one. That’s not some casual power up, moon presence casually creates dimensions and can cause madness on a cosmic scale. Some great ones like oedon are so powerful they’re not even included in the game, said to be formless and omnipotent. These beings cosmic, some of course are weak, or “lesser” like ebriatas whose way past her prime or the brain of mensis who was imprisoned by the school of mensis. But the heavy hitters i would argue are on par with elden ring’s outer gods, which to show the sheer power gap between them and anything we fight in elden ring, general radan held back the stars supposedly on a universal scale. Malenia is merely empowered by the outer god of the scarlet rot, and when she realized she was outmatched she unleashed the scarlet rot, which completely nulified radan and utterly destroyed his mind, leaving him wandering in the red desert for a quick death. That’s just a portion of an outer god’s strength, in elden ring they are so far beyond anything in that realm that they don’t even interfere aside from of course the greater will who wants us to fix the world under their rule. The idea that we as the protagonist not only defeated a great one on the powerscale of the moon presence, but also ascend to literal outer god level, imo the hunter takes it. Until we see the tarnished kill an outer god (which hey it can happen in an elden ring 2) i dont think the tarnished is on par with the hunter in their final forms
The tarnished along with everything became the one great in lord of the frenzied flame ending
arguably the biggest achievement of the chosen undead is not manus but bed of chaos since he puts out the flame of chaos which consumed even the witch of izalith and two of her daughters together.
Tarnished only killed one outer god, the good hunter killed two, plus every other character is a super powered zombie and the hunter is just a regular guy
All I gotta say
The video mentioned that the Hunter did so by exploiting their specific weakness. Basically, becoming immune to their(And only their) specific hax.
Tarnished beat Elden Beast, Malenia(Goddess) and Miquella with pure power.
Have them face off and Hunter has no chance since he's relying on those specific anti-hax.
@c0n33r I have no idea how knowing a weakness somehow invalidates your strength I think that's just working smarter. Also Malenia is NOT full power not even close
“sekiro can’t regenerate because he has a prosthetic” he didn’t receive kuro’s blessing until after he lost his arm
Sekiro is the strongest because he can pause the game and swim
I think the strongest is that immortal one, who comes over and over, until he inevitably wins.
I have a dream, one day Bloodborne fans will chill and accept that great ones are weak af.
Then come Orphan of Kos and Lawrence swooping your butt
They kinda are, physically. But their influence on the world around them is unmatched.
Weak physically but absurd In terms of influence. They don’t need to fight to achieve their objectives when they can just manipulate things in their favor.
Translation: I don't know lore
Hunter is extremely powerful. But people saying he's any less powerful than the Tarnished is wrong. Hunter has slain outer gods but so has the Tarnished. The difference is that the outer gods that the Tarnished fought are actually competent fighters while being powerful creatures able to manipulate reality like Bloodborne's outer gods. I also feel that Elden Ring's outer gods' influence on the world is also more potent than Bloodborne's. They're extremely subtle about it and are manipulating scenes behind multiple walls. It's only until the DLC that we learn what was actually going on with the whole world. But that's just a matter of opinion on which form of manipulation you prefer in writing
It's always those naked ones that shoot you with lasers during PVP.
I think John Bloodborne is the strongest since he has access to firearms😂
This was a surprisingly fun find.
Well done. 👌
I think it's DS3 because you have the potential to be a "True Monarch".
DS2 lets you come close by rejecting the Throne of Want and seeking transcendence like Aldia, but DS3 lets you rule over a whole new cycle of cycles.
Being the ruler of a new cycle makes you no different from someone like Gwyn. You are the start of the new cycle, and that cycle will end.
The true power is breaking out of the cycle.
Funnily enough I think that means they are not a true monarch, in darksouls 3 all your doing is continuing the cycle of death and rebirth.
A true monarch would find a way to break the cycle entirely.
The Ashen One and the Tarnished are super close in power, but here’s why the Ashen One might edge out:
The Ashen One takes control of the First Flame itself, the power that literally defines their universe. With the Usurpation of Fire ending, they break the cycle of fire and dark, transcending fate and becoming a godlike figure completely independent of outside forces. They also defeat the Soul of Cinder, which is basically the culmination of all who’ve ever kindled the flame.
The Tarnished is insanely powerful too, though. They defeat cosmic-level beings like Radahn (who holds the stars), Malenia, and even the Elden Beast, gaining control of the Elden Ring to reshape reality itself. They’ve got a wider range of powers to draw on, but their strength is still tied to the Elden Ring and the Greater Will’s system.
So, the Ashen One might win because their power is more intrinsic and metaphysical: they transcend their world’s entire system. The Tarnished is super close, though, because their feats and raw versatility are unmatched. Depends on how you weigh their worlds’ rules.
AND let’s not forget that the Ashen One defeated Gael:
The Ashen One’s victory over Gael is even crazier when you think about the context: by the time they fight him, Gael has consumed the Dark Soul and is basically the last being standing at the end of time. He’s absorbed the remnants of humanity and everything left in the world to become this ultimate, godlike figure.
So the Ashen One isn’t just fighting a powerful foe; they’re defeating someone who’s literally consumed everything and everyone else. That’s on top of all their other feats, like taking the First Flame. It just shows how far beyond mortal limits they’ve gone. Gael being the last thing left makes this one of the most insane feats in the entire series.
Absolutely agree, very well thought out analysis.
@ thank you!
I feel like your video lacks transitions between the characters. Otherwise, I really enjoyed it ! :)
It's actually a pretty popular theory that Aldia or possibly even Bearer themselves was the First Scholar. The person who taught Lothric and convinced him to abandon the linking of fire. If this is true, then technically, Bearer is responsible for practically everything that happened in DS3, and all he had to do was tell a prince a bit of forbidden knowledge.
Midir is at the strongest when we fight him, besides bridge incident ofc, Gayle is at his strongest, aldrich is at his strongest, Sullivan too
Sekiro: i can parry and block bullets.
Hunter: parry this. ~a call beyond~
Hunter is the strongest he have the most hax and abilites of all them and its not even close, also hunter fought gods and killed them in one night without fight experience and skill! Also hunter in lore scales to outversal
Its the hunter no debate
I thought we already had established that the Tarnished was weaker than the Hunter or Ashen One.
The most powerful beings the Tarnished has defeated are Radagon and Elden Beast who are lore wise stronger than Consort Radahn.
Meanwhile The Hunter defeats Lovecraftian gods through enough insight to reach them and is also powerful enough to harness cosmic powers such as summoning an actual small star exploding in it's hand.
The Ashen One fought both the combination of all lords and the dark soul, which are direct opposite to each other. Gael was the most powerful being the Ashen One defeated because of how strong the dark soul was because the fire was fading. Not to mention that the Soul of Cinder is a master of all forms clearly shown in the boss fight moves and even uses spells never seen before.
strange point
Consort Radahn and Miquella are like Godrfey + Marika in their prime: they are literally newborn God and Elden lord. While Radagon is just a part of Marika, like st.Trina was once part of Miquella before he became a god. Elden Beast seems to be... What is it even? Part of Marika's godhood powers?
As for Ashen one, I believe the flame is fading for a long, so everything became less powerfull comparing to DS1.
I would like to point out that miquela refers to the tarnished as Lord of the old order implying that the tarnished has already bested the elden beast, yet is still very confident in taking the tarnished head on.
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He says aspiring lord of the old order. Doen't it mean tarnished is only lord wannabe at this point?
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I had no reason to expect my boi Bearer of the Curse so high on the list, thank you for justifying my bias 😊
Slayer of demon's has uninterruptable hyper armour on cursed dragon bone smasher rolling attacks and running firestorm
He would destroy every other build imo
Elden Ring bleed would beg to differ. Just basic bleed.
Slayer of Demons would get barraged by magic before the attack reaches
Sekiro would just deflect it
Dark Lothric straight sword, lothric shield, chaos dagger
30/30 split fth/int
Hornet ring
Drakeblood/dragonslayer armor
Try something? Get parried and one-shot.
Get hit? Destruction in a few incredibly quick R1s.
Fun fact the showing of the boss fight Promised consort radahn was literally first time I've seen anything of the dlc due to my promises to go in blind