YAMAMOTO VS ICHIBEI - Who Would Win? (Gotei 13 vs Zero Division) | Bleach: VS Battles
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Chapters:
Intro - 00:00
Overview - 03:18
The Combatants: Yamamoto - 04:09
The Combatants: Ichibei - 11:10
The Fight - 19:29
Outcome - 30:11
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Ginjo vs ulquiorra or rukia vs tousen
Vizard Yamamoto alternate timeline. Aizen uses the Hogyoku on him and uses him as his bodyguard
I would like to suggest the topic of Ichibei's inner nature, he seems like the most evil character in Bleach. Consider that a bankai reflects what a shinigami thinks is needed to win a battle.
For Ichigo its staying power, using energy efficiently to protect others for however long. Yammamoto instead believes its the capacity for relentless violence, to keep causing damage until the opponent is reduced to dust. Unohana sees it as all consuming bloodlust.
But what does winning a battle mean to Ichibei ? Stripping an opponent of their agency and identity, then condemning them to being imprisoned in whatever role in the system he chooses, that is what Shirafude Ichimonji ultimately does. Its psychotic, dehumanizing and utterly evil. I think analyzing Ichibei holistically would be interesting and terrifying.
SHUNSUI VS ZARAKI
I want to hear your opinion on the Invasion if the captains never got thier Bankai's stolen. It feels really lame to watch.
Ichibei is shown to know the forbidden kidou. People forget that these include the literal ability to teleport and manipulate time. There's also the weird thing where Ichibei is seemingly responsible for blotting out Yhwach's name way back when Old Man Zangetsu goes to tell Ichigo his name. Ichibei never used any ink in that instance.
That weird thing was actually confirmed to be Ichibei's doing in Klub Outside.
Well, wouldn't ichibe have to bestow the name on that sword at some point? probably put it on him then.
@@MrDNMock This. Ichibei did name everything in the current universes, so he did name every Zanpakuto at some point.
lmfao that pic and username
Nah chief I think that was just a joke. That makes 0 sense and would be a huge unnecessary retcon. I’m not saying that as a jab to Ichibei’s power but it literally just makes no sense. It’s like saying he’s reading the mind of ppl’s inner world to which you’d have to ask is his reading everyone’s minds which he obviously is not. The context of that scene is Ichigo can’t hear his name yet
Edit I looked it up and it doesn’t say that Yhwach was the name blacked out and it was Kubo just answering a random question from a fan. That’s why I think it’s a joke, it’s not something he came up with
The fact that ichibei controls the color black is crazy when you think about how kubo originally wanted to call the series "black"
Yamamoto is the strongest Death God.
But Ichibei is the God beyond Death Gods. He's a primordial being.
Not to mention that he can't die while the Royal Palace exists. All someone needs to do is say his name and he will come back.
Yamamoto is peak shinigami, but Ichibei is hinted at being something beyond it. Still, I imagine that there would a minor chance of the gotei winning. Personally, I never understood why Yamamoto wasn't elevated to a Royal Guard, he is certainly strong enough and also the creator the military hierarchy of Soul Society, fulling both criteria. Perhaps he was asked at some point, but felt like his role as the leader of the gotei was his perfect place.
I kinda feels like someone of that power level was chosen to stay behind in the Seretie to oversee everything.
@@Cyotis yeah i think so too
Wasn't it stated that just power alone wasn't enough to be considered for the zero division. Starting the shinigami school isn't as important as creating zanpakuto or creating mod souls
@@bluemoon1716 You have to have contributed to Soul Society's culture, perhaps the strength just comes later after living in the Royal Palace, but most seem to be a least Captain-level before being considered for promotion.
tbf I think Head Captain of the Gotei is as important as a Royal Guard position, perhaps even more so.
Considering Ichibe's ink is not actually ink but instead is "darkness", I do not think it could dry up. At the same time, Yammamoto's fire is not real fire, but instead his own reiatsu heated up and given the properties of flame. So the question is, can reiatsu affect something so abstract as color?
That's the point. I don't think Ichibei's power is as silly as just being regular ink, to the point that Yama's bankai would evaporate it. He even mentions that his power is actually darkness, as you said. So I'm pretty sure Zanka no Tachi West would be probably useless against Ichimonji.
@@matheusbecker2351 darkness can’t put out a flame tho.
@@fowlface8424 it's not fire. it reiatsu/ everything about a shinigami is about reiatsu, and ichibei surpasses that crap.
The concept of darkness can't be erased by Reiatsu. Reiatsu can only affect things that clashes with it. In other words, other Reiatsu. Darkness wouldn't be able to interact with Reiatsu, so it wouldn't be able to be negated or erased.
@@fowlface8424Until it hits the actual Zanpakuto and all of the abilities are removed.
It's a shame that we never got to see Yamamoto interact with Squad Zero, especially Ichibe.
Something to note is that Ywach was considerably stronger when he fought Ichibei than when he fought Yamamoto. This is because he fed on the souls of everybody that died during the second invasion, which included multiple sternritters, including Gremmy.
Yeah pretty sure Ywach walks through Yama at that point
To be fair Yhwach didn't fight Yamamoto in Bankai and he had one arm. Full power Yama with Bankai is beating every version of Yhwach without Almighty.
He did beat Juha with Almighty - see Bazz-B flash back - Juha had all 3 eyes. He has the almighty back then as well/
@@LupercalRising why are you acting like Yama didn’t kill him once before at his most powerful.
@@TheGrandPumma He didn't activate it during the fight with Yama for unknown reasons, otherwise Ichibei would have known it existed
Ichibei is narratively implied to be stronger than Yama.
it's actually the opposite, yamas narratively the strongest in the soul society outside of characters like aizen or ichigo, and yuha had to trick yama into weakening himself as well as stealing his bankai just to beat yama compares to just beating ichibei by himself
Ichibei is only (overall) weaker than >50% Juhabach and perhaps Azien post transcendence. Still, he could lose to a weaker opponent. I would say Yamamoto win 13/100, or something close to it, if you allow his flame being able to halt his reality bending via painting.
The Zero Division was implied to be stronger than the 13 but they aren't.
@@jordantinucci3509 Congratulations on Ignoring the context of the 2 Fights to suit your own narrative!!
-Yhwach called Ichibei "The Pinnacle of all Soul Reapers"
Yama said to Aizen "Nobody born within 1000yrs has been stronger than Me"
Meanwhile Ichibei is Over a Million Years old, WAY OLDER than Yama so Yama's statment does not apply to Ichibei.
Yhwach Ignored fighting Yama and went straight to Talk to Aizen because he viewed Aizen as a BIGGER THREAT to him.
And he told Yama that "Its not that we could not steal your Bankai, It just that your Power is so great that only I CAN HANDLE IT"
Meaning he could have stolen Yama's Bamkai at anytime.
-Ichibei Lost because Yhwach Activated "THE MOST BROKEN ABILITY IN BLEACH" The Almighty.
And Yama would also get destroyed by the Almighty as well. So I don't know why you are trying to downplay Ichibei by bringing up the fact that he lost to the most OP ability in the Verse.
When Yama would also get destroyed by that said ability.
Zero Division is like Russias Military.
Ichibei is a primordial being who has been around AT LEAST MILLIONS of years, the monk who named everything in Soul Society which includes everything Yamamoto can do, has total dominion over those things he named, sealed the medallion that contained Yamamoto's bankai which people seems to forget and was effortlessly destroying Yhwach till Yhwach activated a power that is directly associated to The Soul King himself, the God or closest to God of the verse. If that is what it takes to beat Ichibei at bare minimum then I don't see how Yamamoto or anyone can beat him outside Ichigo in his current bankai. To me it's not about downplaying Yamamoto but more about recognizing what Ichibei is.
yama has several statements of having the strongest zanpakuto in the soul society which would include ichibei, yuha had to trick him into tiring himself out against loyd and then steal his bankai to beat yama compared to him just brute forcing ichibei. he doesn't have total dominion over everything he's named either(nor does that even help him in a combat scenario) destroying the medallion doesn't really mean much considering he didn't destroy zanka no tachi
@@jordantinucci3509 Yamamoto was talking about Shinigami who were born in the RECENT 1,000 since he became captain commander, The Soul Society is over a million years old as stated by Rukia in The Fullbringer arc and Ichibei is FAR older than that so none of those statements apply to him. And sealing the medallion means he CAN seal Yamamoto's bankai which is why Kubo drew a panel and focused that, to show why Yhwach didn't use it in his fight against Ichibei.
@@A_Bad_Redman1 no he was talking about the soul society as a whole (as that's only one of several statements about yama being the strongest) and that's exactly my point yuha needing to take yama by surprise as well as steal his bankai and weaken himself is further proof of yama being >ichibei as he didn't need to any of that against ichibei
@@jordantinucci3509 yuha wasn't as strong against Yama as he was against ichibei. He wasn't at full power yet so I wouldn't put too much stock in that
@@bluemoon1716 he was near his full power and prime yama was stronger than yuha 1000 years ago which was essentially yuha at full power and yuha wouldn't have taken the time to do all that just to beat yama if he could just return with his full power and win
Fantastic work. I can't wait to see more videos like this from you.
Gotta say Mr.Tommo it's always exciting to see you post a new video. Especially when the topic is so awesome.
I fully agree.
Yamamoto is an apex of a shinigami but Ichibei is someone beyond a shinigami.
is he thou?. Aizen is a shinigami to
@@dendrien Aizen needed Wonderweiss to take down Yamamoto.
@@Kubinda12345 before any of his transformations. Any version of hogyoku evolved Aizen beats Yamamoto.
@@shiroufan5401 his evolved states doesn't help at all vs Yama bankai
@@yavuzy7798 so you think that Yama would be able to beat the Aizen that fought Dangai Ichigo? The same Aizen that regenerated from being erased by Mugetsu. And don’t try to say he wasn’t erased you can see him get erased by the attack.
One matchup I think would be really interesting, and which I definitely see coming down to the wire, would be Kyoraku VS Urahara. Two incredibly smart and powerful fighters boasting an amazingly broad array of abilities that would really put each others' adaptability and resourcefulness to the test. Personally, I think it would come down to whether Urahara is able to come up with some countermeasure against Kyoraku's bankai before the last, fatal act blow up his head.
Agreed. I've thought about this one a lot too. I think it's really difficult to figure out the answer. For Shunsui specifically I think it's weird because his bankai would be incredibly effective, I'm not sure if there's anything Urahara could do if he were caught up in it, but at the same time Shunsui's shikai is going to be awful against Urahara since his intelligence is the best counter against Shunsui's tricks. Urahara might be able to kill Shunsui before either of them bring out their bankais, yet at the same time Shunsui might just activate bankai and win on the spot.
kyoraku annihilates him lol, it's not a debate
@@Raifyiix Don't know tbh, Urahara's 1000 outcome plans are fearsome and at the end of the day he is a war potential for that reason, while Kyoraku has one of the most broken bankais.
Shikai does NOTHING to Urahara. He'll beat Shunsui's games. Bankai kills Urahara instantly if he gets caught in it. If Shunsui goes Shikai first, he loses. If he goes Bankai first, he wins.
Tbh...kyoraku win if its a fight on spot...but if you give time to both of these people to fight...urahara win..easily...so if the fight is onspot kyoraku clear...but if you give time to urahara even lord aizen was defeated🗿
Awesome video, looking forward to seeing this series again
Excellent analysis, you covered pretty much everything
Great video as always! My pick for a potential future versus video would be Kyoraku vs Urahara. Not a very conventional matchup but both characters are incredibly clever and have reality-warping powers.
Thanks for giving Yamato a chance. Good video!
Very good video. It's this kind of video that kept me interested in bleach even when it seemed dead.
This is gonna be a great series. Keep up the great work man
STRENGTH : Ichibei with his massive palm pushes Yhwach Bach (as nodt, cang du, mask de masculine, 2nd invasion dead soldiers absorbed) by about the distance between australia - japan, and twice, yamamoto's strength feat is cutting a fake yhwach in half and beating a fodder aizen cyborg (wonderweiss), so ichibei wins this
SPEED: Yamamoto's best speed feat is catching up with shunsui real fast and he gets speedblitzed 3 times by 1st invasion Yhwach Bach, ichibei reacts to Yhwach's attacks and deflects them in time, speedblitzes Yhwach 3-4 times and more, Ichibei wins
DURABILITY : Yamamoto can take a punch, aizen showed it
ichibei pretty much got annihilated instantly by yhwach with the almighty, but thats another level of power compared to FKT Aizen, and ichibei deflects blut vene ahnaben instantly and resists it so, mixed
ENDURANCE: Yamamoto is a fair choice, and so is Ichibei
EXPERIENCE: Obviously Ichibei
IQ: Obviously Ichibei
BATTLE IQ: Obviously Ichibei
ABILITES : Yamamoto cannot erase Ichimonji's ink as yamamoto cant erase concepts, and ichibei manipulates the concept of black itself, AND like yhwach felt it, if youre even wearing the slightest touch of black on your clothes, ichimonji already hit you, yama got a complete dark robe so....
Yama can't use his shikai & bankai either as ichibei can literally just cut the name of his zanpakuto in half
Kido: Yamamoto isn't bad at it, but Ichibei knows secret & forbidden kidos and can use kidos strong enough to annihilate 2nd invasion Yhwach who is miles stronger than 1st invasion Yhwach's attacks, so..
RESISTANCE: Your fatigue doesnt determine this, Yamamoto would've gotten cut in half anyway from that range by Yhwach Bach, Ichibei did get instantly blown up by the almighty, but you dont compare TA Yhwach Bach to 1st invasion Yhwach's strength, Ichibei wins
WINNER: ICHIBEI, LOW DIFFICULTY
{Yamamoto did not beat Yhwach with The Almighty, Chap. 608 - 609 - 610, cant remember exact chapter but Jugram states that if Yhwach activated The Almighty before the 9 years prophecies, he wouldve lost control of his eyes & absorbed the power of all of his sternritters, we know that Yhwach created the sternritters before invading the Seireitei 1000 years ago, so he did not have access to The Almighty as he'd lose all of his warriors, Bleach Cour 1 Episode 7 makes it clear that Yhwach has one iris & he lost to a cheap trick by Sasakibe}
I agree with this
Not low difficulty but no difficulty
@@bravohaven true true
I’m sorry but you just made up a bunch of fan theories in order to prop up Ichibei 😂 it’s interesting, because in WDKALY the Royal Guard is in full on propaganda mode saying they defeated Yhwach and the elite quincy by themselves, I guess if we take that “version” of Ichibei into consideration, he solos the entire verse and your assessment would be correct, too bad he’s in actuality a slimy fraud.
Yhwach does not get stronger, he does not even get the powers of these quincies himself, he just instills a piece of his soul in order to give them their natural powers, akin to a zanpakutou, once he removes that piece of his soul, a fragment of still silver forms in the quincies and they die, but Yhwach cannot get that power himself, he only takes back his soul fragment, he can only redistribute it to others with his Auswahlen, not himself, that’s the limitation he has as a special quincy. The only reason he takes those fragments is to avoid regressing back to his younger self, who was practically blind and paralyzed. Yhwach was not “miles stronger”, he was even weaker, since he lost his volstanding.
How do you even rate Ichibei’s speed and durability compared to Yamamoto when he fought Yhwach in the Royal Realm, a place that has a considerably higher amount of reimyaku than Soul Society, naturally boosting a shinigami’s reiatsu in the process? Why does Sasakibe attacking Yhwach from behind a coward move, when Ichibei’s entire spiel is to weaken Yhwach, because he cannot beat him at full strength? Sounds hypocritical to me, one gets a pass, the other, no. Is it because that’s all of Ichibei’s moveset? Then what’s stopping Sasakibe from having lighting fast attacks to surprise his opponents? No, there’s no bigger coward than Ichibei, he was even willing to have Ichigo dead for literally nothing, as he knew he couldn’t win, but still couldn’t come up with a plan vs Yhwach.
Besides, Bleach’s battles are battles of reiatsu, it just means that Yhwach wasn’t durable enough to tank the attack from Sasakibe, nor fast enough to detect him. Good, maybe Ichibei should learn a lesson from him.
Oh, and Yhwach had the Almighty, you can see it clearly in Bazzb flashback, the 1,000 years (999 actually) thing only happens after he was defeated by Yamamoto. Not that it matters, I mean😅 read what Yhwach says, he can counter every abilities he see with his eyes, cool, now ask why he’d prefer using the bankai stealing medallion that blocks his volstanding, rather than the Almighty against pure heat, an ability that he can’t even see in the first place 😂
Tell you what, change it to no diff, and Yama over Ichibei and you get that right, we can talk again after Ichibei is able to damage Yhwach at full strength like Sasakibe did.
Oh, and regarding kido? I don’t think it matters much in a battle, but just to rub it in, 13th blades describe Yamamoto’s 4 Shinigamies aspects of combat as the best of everyone else, that not only puts him above people like Ichibei in kido (who didn’t even get a paragraph of him being so strong in anything) but above Tessai too with his crazy space time manipulation stuff.
THE AUDACITY of Ichibei fans, I never see Mayuri fans saying he’s stronger than Zaraki due to him paralyzing him, yet Ichibei has to be taken into serious consideration just because he’s weakening those he cannot beat fair and square lmao. And that Yhwach can’t even access volstanding, AND still can’t get the job done.
I’d love to hear your views on Mayuri vs urahara (both Tybw versions) because I think it’d be closer than people first think!
Considering Ura’s bankai, I don’t think Mayuri would be able to adapt quickly enough for an ever-changing bankai that can do almost anything
@@felixleon4603but isn’t that the whole basis of Mayuri’s bankai, adapting
@@outerspacegaming7754 with some prep time, yes, and it mostly focuses on countering a specific ability. Ura’s can do anything he puts his mind to in an instant.
Personally I’d say Urahara wins with prep time, but Mayuri wins without prep. His whole thing is that he always has counters in his pockets without prep.
@@Dragonpuncher123 The thing is, yes that’s Urahara’s whole shtick, to be prepped way before the occasion, but his bankai literally erases the need for that. Look at his fight with Asken, the man did 5-6 different things with that bankai. The possibilities are basically endless. He restructured his body to fix his eye, to make himself stronger, to split Asken’s arm, to make a way for Jow. Mayuri wouldn’t be able to react to the amount of things Urahara would be able to pull out of his ass. Once Mayuri figures something out and makes Konjiki Ashizogijizo able to counter it, Ura could simply switch to restructuring something else and so on.
Very good Video,as always 🔥
Finally, the breakdown that everyone has been waiting for
i think this is pretty spot on. There's obviously always certain grey areas that remain open to interpretation (i.e. always interpret in favour of your preferred character...), but ultimately ichibei essentially showcases superiority in every form of shinigami art in the one fight he gets - which was basically against an opponent perfectly designed to counter him mind you
Hakuda
Yama vs Wonderweiss was simply awesome the whole way through, but then we have ichibei smacking Yhwach thousands of miles away, crushing his throat and pushing out his invasive power just by flexing his left arm. Hard to give the nod to Yama, especially given the gap in power between their respective opponents
Kido
Yama is obviously a master of kido, but then Ichibei casually pulls out a previously unknown branch of kido, spell no 3 of which was strong enough to shatter the real Yhwach's blut vene (and if its anything like regular kido then this would be one of the weakest in the series...). Again goes to Ichibei
Shunpo
Both top tier obviously but Ichibei instantly catching up to the Yhwach he smacked 1000 ri away is again also leagues above anything we've seen Yama do (doesn't mean he can't match it, but we haven't seen that). Has to be given to Ichibei
Zanpaktou
agree with basically everything you said in the video. If we assume Ichibei's "ink" is really just the actual liquid ink and accept all Yama's superlative statements as complete fact, you can argue Yama stalemates Ichibei for a while here with ZnT West. But Yama can't stay in that form forever, and if they simply wait until everything burns up then yama dies and ichibei gets revived after pestering someone somewhere to call his name. If we take the "ink" as more conceptual in nature (in line with the rest of Ichibei's bizarre powers) then this isn't even a contest. There's also the point that Yhwach notably didn't use ZnT against Ichibei even though he had it - narratively, if it WAS an effective counter i'm sure he would have loved the irony of taking down the leader of the shinigami with a shinigami blade.
I'll give this one a tie to be diplomatic since there are some grey areas, but still don't see a win condition for yama
Unknowns
- again as you noted in the video, what is the extent of ichibei's knowledge / power over zankaptous? he named them, knows all their true names and therefore their powers, would he in fact be able to control or interfere with them to some extent? If he can again this is a no contest. To a lesser extent this question also applies to anything else shinigami use (kidou etc) since Ichibei also named those...
- Ichibei's bankai isn't properly explored vs Yhwach since he only zips into it briefly before reverting back to Shikai for his mausoleum technique. What are the limits of his power-granting? the ability to potentially give anything a new name - and the power associated with it - are terrifying.
- Ichibei also shows some sort of power manifestation ability in base where he writes characters and has that manifested into reality (e.g. hiding the true Soul Palace from the Quincy by writing the character for "hide" with his brush). Again, presumably this has some limits but its just another vague conceptual power he flings around along with everything else
- Yama has more battle experience than literally anyone else in the verse, EXCEPT probably Ichibei. Taking CFYOW as canon, he's kept watch over the Soul King and the worlds for 1 million+ years, and yet he's still maintained the peace. Seems unlikely he hasn't had to battle against some pretty monstrous foes in that time. If he didn't simply defeat them with raw power then he probably developed into a very crafty combatant with all sorts of preparation / countermeasures in place (Yhwach had him noted as a war power because of his wisdom rather than his strength, after all...). Yama is the epitome of straight up firepower, and despite his age he has been shown to act in rash and impassioned ways several times in the series.
All in all, would be an absolute joy to see animated but fundamentally Ichibei seems to be a step ahead in every metric. If anything Yama's real problem was just that his feats were shown too early in the story...had he got involved in the action at the time when the ridiculous broken powers of characters were being revealed (Elites & Jugram, Aizen & Almighty Yhwach in full flow) no doubt Kubo would have given him something on that tier as well to match
Well put together. One thing to note is that prior to the release of Ichimonji, Ichibei was drawing characters into the air and manifesting a giant hand. In sealed state. His power seems pretty conceptual in nature given he can do that with air, so why would fire be an exception? Yama would put up a great fight, but Ichibei would likely crush him.
@@PDro11 yeah to be honest i'm personally not sold at all on the idea of Ichibei's "ink" literally being liquid ink, it would very much go against the whole conceptual shtick of his powerset. i think its one of many headcanons that certain fans developed over the years as the series went on and it became increasingly difficult to argue Yama was still (or, in fact, was ever...) the strongest shinigami as he had always been portrayed. Still incredibly powerful of course, but he was introduced quite early and, well, its the shonen way for everyone to get stronger and stronger the longer the series goes on...
@udiin6518 Agreed. I feel Yama is the strongest of the G13 and yes, strongest of the last 1000 years in terms of sereitei. But in existence, he is clearly not. Ichibei outclasses him every area.
I've always wondered how this fight would play out, this is a well rounded answer.
Btw what do you think about making a list of the characters with the most reiatsu?
Personally I would have Aizen at the top of such a list but it'll be interesting to see your ranking.
And an Eos Ichigo v Eos Aizen fight if it hasn't been done before.
I'm gonna have a field day excessively naming fights you should cover lol.
Like Shinji vs Shunsui, & Unohana vs Gin 👀
We've been waiting
The fact that ol'man Yama's shikai had Aizen concerned for his life, I think it's easy to believe that the first captain's bankai would've been a threat to Aizen even after he ascended. And I feel like Aizen was smart enough to know this, even if he hadn't experienced the old man's bankai before, hence the carefully laid out plan to take him out.
Lol
@@gangstagummybear3432 I missed the joke?
im pretty sure both the manga and in the anime Aizen humiliated Yama like big time. so much so that Yamas attempt of Delete himself didnt even effect Aizen. Yama is one of those character whos everyone brags about but when it comes to push to show he is worthless. like you wonder why hes even there to begin with? hes the perfect meme character
@@dendrien FACTS, so much, THANK YOU
@@dendrien I'm pretty sure.... Blah blah blah. Sounds like you got some bias there?
You should do "Unohana vs Urahara" I think it could be a pretty interesting battle.
Your videos butter my biscuits thank you
Just subbed to your channel man, cool content. Would love to see a collab with you and tekking at some point, hes been my go to for ages, great to have another willing to go in depth ❤
I love this so much! Id love to see more and more of these come out
Idk if you are taking suggestions off of polls or in comments, but Id just like to thrown my idea out here: in preparation of what could be coming in the anime, Id love to see your take on a fight if Ichigo and Uryu actually had a showdown
This! Protagonist vs Antithesis let's go!
My vote goes to Yamamoto. Ukitake called his shikai transcendent and his bankai just being active puts all of soul society at risk of destruction if he leaves it active too long. It would be a good fight though as one has the most destructive zanpakuto, while the other has the most hax zanpakuto.
That’s more of Jushiro just describing how powerful Yamamoto is rather than him being an actual transcendent being
@Saintsrow42 Maybe, but I feel like it's nearly the same thing. He's on another level from all other Gotei captains. Even the next two strongest captains combined can't match up with him in a two vs one.
If Ichibei wanted to he could just rename Yamamotos zanpakuto as useless and done
@@Matthew_Webster Seems like Kenpachi eventually surpassed Yam
Lol you have to consider the fact that pretty much every Shinigami in soul society, including Ukitake, has a very limited perspective on things. Ukitake might call Yamamoto's shikai transcendent, but to put it bluntly, wtf does he even know? Ichibei is a being that existed before the world was split into 3, he is not in the same realm as someone like Yama.
Yes!!! More of this!!!
I do love me some Vs Battles, though one thing I'd like to request is some content about the Agent of the Shinigami arc. I think early Bleach gets slept on a lot and I'd love to see what you could come up with about that era.
This is one of those fights where one of the two has far more win conditions, but the other has that one win condition that's so overwhelming that it's hard to really decide. Realistically, Yamamoto probably knows at least a little of what Ichibei is capable of. I don't see how he doesn't know Ichibei's moniker, so he would know about his power to "name" things. Would he know everything Ichibei can do? Almost certainly not. But would it be enough for him to jump straight to Bankai? I'd give it pretty good odds.
What logical reason would he know about ichibe bankai?
@@driftby7825 I didn't say he would know what his Bankai is, I said he would know that Ichibei is "The Monk Who Calls the Real Name".
@@Michael_mki233 noone knew what ichibei power was until his fight w ywazch lol
@@Michael_mki233 well he named it right?
Yamamoto is definitely downplayed in this matchup. People fail to consider that Yamamoto wasn’t at full power against the fake Yhwach and was drained even further when the real one showed up. Yamamoto is also stated to have the strongest Zanpakuto and I think he the advantage in terms of raw and destructive power. Although I think with Ichibei’s hax it would be a winning match up like 6/4 for Ichibei
Ichibei would probably win but the people saying Yama would get stomped are ridiculous
ichibei annihilates him no contest lol
@@jamesrt5352 what? 😭
@@jamesrt5352 "And we know Yhwach had the almighty a 1000 years ago when he lost to Yama" no
@@jamesrt5352 No he did not!! Yhwach did not have the Almighty 1000yrs ago and the ANIME MADE THAT CLEAR!!
Just because Ichibei's Hax didn't work against Yhwach because of the Almighty, does not mean It won't work against Yama.
There is no freaking way Yama can beat Yhwach with the Almighty!!
So stop trying to use Yhwach as your basis for Argument.
I smiled when I saw the title of this one, I knew it was gonna be good
Good analysis, you looked at every possible scenario that could happen. Ichibei is big favorite, but Yama is not without chance.
When Yama fought Aizen, he said there's no way he would be tricked once he held Aizen's zanpakutou. However, his anger against Ywach made him blind and so he did not realize he was fighting Loid. He realized he had lost the battle because he was foolish. He had already lost at that point. YWach was so ahead of him. And when he lost his bank ai, he realized strength was not enough. As the world progressed pure strength lost importance when compared to strategy and technology.
Wasn't that the whole point to his ability to be a near perfect copy of his brother? Everything but the almighty could be copied so it makes sense why he was fooled.
With regards to Ichibei's "ink", I don't think it's literal ink. I believe the "ink" is much more supernatural or metaphysical than we are led to believe. Ichibei's power is black, not "black ink". It just turns out that "black ink" is the easiest way to perceive it and wield Ichibei's power. Therefore, Yamamoto's zanpakutou can't evaporate a conceptual existence of black. I am digressing at this point, it feels like Ichibei's power sort of breaks the fourth wall, as in his brush is akin to Tite Kubo's tool of trade, the pen for his drawings. Yamamoto can't really evaporate Tite Kubo's ink on his manga manuscript.
To put it simply: If the Soul King is Kubo, Ichibei is the senior editor lol
Nah it’s ink bro literally says it is and calls his Zanpaktou a fucking brush . Yamas sp is far greater than ichibei so Yama negs
nigga his power is darkness yama gets no diffed even in bankai lmao how can yama kill the person who gave his strongest power a name @@chungusfungus9779
You should do more of these brother
Would love to see yo do a Tosen vs Shinji video from your poll
I'd love to see a Hollowfied Yamamoto, Shunsui and Ukitake with Full Mask+Bankai take on Squad 0
Hey Tommo absolutely love your work and content very in depth quality videos. I wanna request if you would be willing to cover what Ginjo kugo’s zanpaktou could be. Since we never saw him use his own soul reaper powers I’ve always wondered what it could be and it’s techniques
Do a Kenpachi Zaraki vs Yamamoto next, I'm curious to see your theories for it
One thing people never bring up is the fact Yamamoto was missing his arm during his fight, and as we know a Shinigami's power can be cut significantly with even one arm restricted, on top of that fact I do believe Ichibe is more dangerous to Yhwach, Yamamoto has the higher destructive power and possibly is transcendent (based on Shunsui not getting any stronger but being capable of fighting one of the strongest of the Sternritters), with one arm you could argue he's just below that but I'd still place him with Shikai above Ichigo at that point (when he fought Yhwach the first time), while Ichibe power wise is within the same realm as Yamamoto, but not equal in power and I do believe he wins unless Zanka no Tachi is used, I believe he needs to actually touch the blade or Yamamoto to alter anything, but the ink itself would be ineffective and dry up immediately, and the closer they are the worse things could get but otherwise, Ichibe wins but Yamamoto has a slight chance of winning if he's to fight strategically rather than straightforward, a battle with Ichibe against other top tiers will always come down to their abilities because power alone isn't going to work unlike with most other people who are relative.
Bro....I thought I was the only 1 who kept saying that 😢
@@android0391 Yeah, I went back to check and it’s definitely stated if they’re missing any limbs it significantly can cut their Spiritual Energy by a lot, especially the arms since they funnel it through them to their Zanpakuto.
Ichibei slayed a superior version of juha that fought yama how is this a debate.
In truth juha slayed them both but it's not the flex yama enthusiasts think this is.
I really liked the format of this vs. battle. I liked your justification for how but Yamamoto and Ichibe could win.
hey tom have ya ever thought of doing a video on the shino academy/ the 4 shinigami arts, maybe in comparison to the other races versions? I've been thinking about this for months.
Ichibei takes Yamas swords name and literally claps him. Fight over.
"You think that sealing ryujjin jakka is all it takes to defeat me. How naive"
- Yama to aizen
@@android0391 Do you not know who Ichibei is? He does more than seal Zanpakutos names he can also take his strength anything with a name that ichibei sword touches he can take its power.
I always said this and will continue to say it , the winner will be determined by who gets their bankai off first. If the monk gets his off first then it's curtains yamma doesn't have the hax to counter his name getting changed to something weak like Black ant. If yamma gets his off then the ink should just EVAPORATe leaving the monk open .
It isn’t ink it’s black. If Yama tried to burn it his flames would turn black too.
@@driftby7825 bruh 15 million degrees anything is getting evaporated my guy I think yama has a better showing than the monk against ywach. Yama had no prep time the monk had a time to formulaate a plan and was still beaten . Ywach had to send a stand in for yama
@@9thhokagegoku671 are you forgetting that Ichibei fought a way more powerful version of yhwach that had absorbed most of the dead sternritter ? Because with that in mind Yamamoto gets murdered by Ichibei.
@@desantinotafrancesco2639 he didnt absorbed them until he absorbed the soul king, he absorbed them the first to to bring back his own elite guard. I honestly can't say he was stronger because we didn't get the real ywach fighting yama bankai yama could of forced ywach to open his eyes for real like the monk did
@@9thhokagegoku671 you can't prove that while we can prove that Ichibei fought a stronger version of yhwach so with that in mind my point still stands Ichibei>Yamamoto.
I would love to see a what if battle between Ulquiorra and Bazz-B! I think they'd be pretty even, so I'm curious what your thoughts are!
I'd like a poll to see people's opinions on Gin vs Shinji. Looks to be interesting
Considering Yhwach retreated after the first invasion because squad Zero was coming(and Ichibe is easily the strongest of squad zero), I’d say Ichibe has this one.
Ichibe only lost to Yhwach later because of the Almighty, so yeah.
Didn't he retreat because he could only remain outside his castle for a limited amount of time at this point?
@@TheHunterkiller96 not really, he didn't want the zero squad to come during the invasion as well but they cut out the part where Yhwach says that from the anime
he didnt retreat for that reason but he did get concerned by them
@@Raifyiix he wanted to retreat for that reason before Ichigo came and stopped him
@@bicevipribicevipri7240 in what chapter does anyone mention yhwach was leaving partly because "zero division were coming"? I just read chapters 504-515 and not once does it mention anything about that.
Considering the hell arc and what we know about it so far, there might be a chance that we do get to see Ichibei versus Yamamoto. Because if the denizens of hell are suddenly breaking through, that sounds like a problem that both the seretei And the zero squad are responsible for rectifying.
I predict we will see yamammoto vs kenpachi. Makes more sense and it will be like a passing of the torch. I don’t see Kenny winning, but it should be an epic battle.
Please start doing versus, I would love to see the matches u come up with!
Yamamoto
Opponents: i have no chance, avoid confrontation.
Ichibei
Opponents: i can win this.
ichbei seems like another form of being. He seems to be part of the rules how the world works😅
I would say it may be a draw and depends who can get the upper hand on each other. People in the soul palace aren't necessarily stronger than the captains in the gotei they just got elevated for "adding" something of significance to soul society. As Aizen has said that a battle between soul reapers is a battle of spiritual pressure. So it would be really hard to tell who would win especially with Yama being at prime. Ichibei can weaken assuming his ink and slash can cut through the intense heat and reiatsu of Yama. Yama would still also have to be careful because he can weaken your abilities and strength. I'd like to think they are equal but with different jobs to protect. The soul palace captains should have teamed up with the Gotei in order to take down Ywach, especially if they knew they were on the losing end and that he would eventually make his way up like he did. Just too much arrogance to really put the pride aside to get the job done, but hey that's anime for you. Lol
i would like to see your take on Tybw Aizen vs Ichibe
Weird question I never thought about until right now, do you think you would ever sell merch??
Maybe a Mayuri vs Askin fight? I feel like that would be fun
I'd love to see that hypothetical, especially since it was anti-teased in the story
Urahara is powerful than Mayuri, and he needed support in the fight vs askin. So Askin wins i guess.
I think there's really only 3 characters that could beat Ichibei, Bach, Aizen, and Ichigo, but then again those 3 are directly compared to each other or the Soul King, their Reaitsu is just so overwhelming even for Ichibe.
Agreed
Do you consider to collaborate with Bleach powerscalers like Clyde for such videos in future?
Honestly, I love this type of vs battle which consider how the characters will act rather than planetary-universal bs those power scaler use.
I'd definitely want to see mayuri vs urahara!
I feel like it's a pretty clear cut fight, urahara is more intelligent and has a more versatile bankai so he would most likely win in my opinion.
yama is 2500 years old
while ichibei is millions of years old thats a lot of difference in expirence
Both are dumb as fuck for someone with that much experience
Another battle I'd like to see would be post TYBW Mayuri against literally any of the main powerhouses at that point in time.
im currently reading the manga im on chapter 562 i cant wait to see the whole thing animated
I don't the think the power gap between Ichibe and Yamamoto is that wide. I actually think it's a very close match. Plus Ichibe has the super soul power up that just seems like an artificial boost.
Judging the power of "concept based" abilities is always difficult. Control names, imagine things into reality, change the future, change the past, invert "anything" (I think Shinji can do that if he trains his Bankai), etc. All these can counter any "non concept based" ability if used in the right way.
The thing is they being Gods all their full realeased power is conceptual things, like Yama is the concept of heat, the flames is his reatsu heated so much its become flames, the hitsugaia is the concept os inercia, his reatsu stops and because of this become ice, rukia is the concept of freeze, ichibai is name, for what yhwach say the ichigo is changing fate, all their power, for exemple arrancars use the concept of emotions like fear, rage, pride etc.
Shinji already has a bankai, and that isn't really what it does
Hey man I don't even know if you know this or not but for some reason when I search your new channel on RUclips it doesn't come up at all even when I type in the exact name just a heads up I hope you're tracking! Great video Team Yama all day
This is an interesting video after the last episodes lol
Here are things to note:
1. In the anime, even the sword is covered in fire as the fight was going on. Which goes to the point it's just the option of whether Yama wants to make the fire visible on his sword or not.
2. I'd say, yes, Yama would go into bankai immediately. Yhwach and ichibe being comparable puts you to assume that Yama can distinguish who it is he wishes to fight seriously.
3. A major misconception around ichibe is that, people believe ichibe has full governance of "names" or has an absolute control over "darkness and names". Which isn't the case. Ichibe has command over it, but not absolute control over it. If he had the absolute command on all of the names, he could very well devoid yhwach of reiatsu by taking away the powers of reiatsu or he could have just taken away yhwach's powers, which we also see not being the case as yhwach could give himself powers often.
4. Ichibe isn't an overly out of reach being, he too is at the verge of transcendence just like Yama and yhwach were. They never crossed that border (yhwach only crossed it because he absorbed reio and mimihagi). And that brings to also the point that, despite ichibe having the power to revive himself, he can only revive himself by drawing out a small portion of reiatsu from the one who called his name. And he is not in his peak strength as he revives as he did tell ichigo that he (ichibe) has to recover his lost powers back.
5. Also, in ichibe's case, mausoleum is an absolute powerhouse, and if Yama is indeed hit, he'll be defeated. But that being said, the incantation for it is far too long and ichibe just seems like a sitting duck while he is conjuring the darkness from 100 days into the soul society's future
Since the picture (the characters and their abilities) is ambiguously painted (portrayed) [which is what Kubo intends on with his writing style], based on how you perceive given events, you can reach different conclusions altogether.
Ichibei does have full control over both. HOWEVER, his ability doesn't work on full power pieces of Reio. Ichibei never tried to take away Yhwach's Reiatsu or powers, so it's not like he couldn't. When Yhwach beat Ichibei, Ichimonji was negated, and at that point Ichibei couldn't do anything. If Ichibei actually wanted to, Yhwach's Reiatsu would've been gone the second he got hit.
Ichibei was also transcendent relative to Yhwach. This puts him above characters like Mugetsu Ichigo, who were transcendent to normal Shinigami Captains. Transcendence is really just relativity. If you're a lot stronger than your opponent, you're transcendent to them. Ichibei being transcendent to Yhwach makes him the highest level character we've seen so far, since even EOS Aizen and Ichigo weren't stated to be transcendent to him. You could pin this on Yhwachs power increase, but all that does is make Ichibei equal to the two of them instead of far above them.
Ichibei wins, because his Reiatsu is far higher, and because a single hit from him will seal Yama's abilities and he'll get one shot. He's stronger than him without the hax, with the hax Yama has no chance.
@@QrowxClover all of those points are actually inaccurate.
1. Ichibe has command over darkness and names, not absolute authority over them. Ichibe despite saying yama's name couldn't revive back Yama because Yama isn't bound to reio (the linchpin) like the members of RG are. Each of the members of RG are given a title by reio, allowing ichibe to freely revive them even if they die as long as the linchpin exists. So, fundamentally, the command on his powers are tied to reio's existence, so his powers cannot be destroyed/negated because his opponents have reio's fragments. You wouldn't say that child rangiku can negate ichibe's powers because child rangiku had reio's fragments or that the fullbringers as weak as chad, moe, riruka, giriko can outright negate ichibe's powers, right?? Ikomikidomoe didn't break ichibe's seal because reio fragments negated ichibe's powers. Ikomikidomoe broke the seal because when a hollow consumes even a small fragment of reio, they recieve a massive power amp (which is why hollows are attracted towards the reio fragments). The power amp they get is far massive than consuming another hollow (which can have hundreds of thousands of souls within it). That's why ikomikidomoe broke ichibe's seal, because when it consumed few of reio's fragments, it gained a massive amp to reiatsu capable of breaking ichibe's seals. Also, ichibe has no command on reiatsu at all. He can't ink reiatsu nor has he had any strength or feats of being capable of removing it's properties either. He can do it to reiatsu that has a physical form (such as kidos and buildings which are reishi in physical manner), but he has no feats of being capable of doing it to something that has no physical existence such as intangible reiatsu.
2. Ichibe isn't transcendent being either. He, just like base/Quincy king yhwach and Yama are at the bottleneck/limit of their existence. Ichigo became transcendent because he was already biologically (in terms of soul) was an entity most closest to reio, aizen became transcendent due to evolution and already entered the same realm as reio (not same power level, but as existence), and yhwach became a transcendent being upon consuming reio and parts of mimihagi. In terms of relativity, Yama, ichibe, and Quincy king yhwach are pretty much on the same league. Ichibe in no shape or form is anywhere close to EoS ichigo or aizen. Both ichigo and aizen have feats of being capable of affecting SK version of Yhwach (ichigo by the feats of being able to cut yhwach in a single blow, and aizen by the feats of affecting yhwach with KS). Heck, when True shikai ichigo stopped suppressing himself as he was challenging SK yhwach, byakuya straight up says that ichigo's reiatsu is as massive as yhwach's. And urahara even stated that the glimpse of power that aizen showed when he used kurohitsugi, aizen's power had already surpassed that of mugetsu ichigo.
3. Yama and ichibe have literally relative reiatsu capacity. If you want to contest on the point that Yama fought yhwach without almighty because anime didn't show "3 pupils per eye". Then keep in mind that when yhwach tanked all of ichibe's attack in chapter 609 pages 8-12 the manga clearly shows us that yhwach tanked all of it without activating almighty. As page 12 panel 2 is when yhwach manually activated his almighty (which takes place after being crushed by ichibe's series of attacks). You then have a panel of ichibe's powers stopping to work against yhwach when yhwach actually makes a straight contact on ichibe a couple of pages later. Up until that point, ichibe's ink were on yhwach, but the moment yhwach looks at ichibe, the ink disappears. Again showing yhwach tanked ichibe's strongest set of attacks without almighty. So, in terms of "relativity" we already saw him actually being relative to base yhwach. In terms of hax, ichibe only has command over it, as yhwach could straight up cancel the effects of ichimonji even before he used almighty. And let's not forget, ichibe needs to mark his opponent for his shikai to ink that person and then use bankai, which requires to make a physical connect against yama's sun armour. So, ichibe's ichimonji would get the same treatment as what yhwach's (loyd royd's) sword got.
@@QrowxClover we have had this conversation already in another comment section wherein I already pointed out all of your wrong points before.
@@sladew9788 1.) That logic doesn't work. Bleach has a system of reincarnation, and Ichibei and the rest of the Zero Division are outside of that. Ichibei can't revive anyone else. And yes, they are outside of it because of Reio. However, that doesn't mean Ichibei doesn't have full control, it means his power can't do literally everything. It's a limit to his power that Reio lets him get past. "You wouldn't say child Rangiku...". No, I wouldn't. Because unlike Yhwach, who is a massive part of Reio, Rangiku had a nail. Ichibei's abilities would be less effective on her and Fullbringers, yes, but they don't have enough Reio or enough Reiatsu to negate Ichimonji. Being a part of Reio isn't enough, you need Reiatsu too. Ikomikidomoe broke out because he got enough power and had Reio fragments, not just because of his power. "He can't ink Reiatsu". True, but he can ink the person he's fighting, and if he removes their name, their Reiatsu disappears too. That's why Ichibei is such a terrifying opponent. He takes away what makes you you, and that includes your ability to fight.
2.) Transcendence isn't a level of existence, it's just a relative power level. I refuse to buy into that 5d Ichigo bullshit because of a statement from Aizen. If it had been from Kisuke, sure. It's not a level of existence. When you're strong enough, your Reiatsu is no longer possible to be felt by your opponent. In terms of relativity, Yama is at or below Yhwach's level, and Yhwach is far below Ichibei. Ichibei was so strong that his Reiatsu couldn't be felt by Yhwach. That's how strong he was. It's also the reason I'm not buying into the 5d Ichigo bullshit, because the "existence level" can't apply to Ichibei and he had the trademark passive of a transcendent character. You sure about that? Ichibei was pretty dang confident in his ability to come down to SS, take out Aizen, Ichigo, and Renji, and use Ichigo as the next Reio had Yhwach not be suitable. In terms of Reiatsu feats, Ichibei is among the highest just because of his relativity to Yhwach. While Ichigo and Aizen fought a stronger Yhwach, they also weren't shitstomping like Ichibei did in a 3v1, nor were either of them so much stronger than Yhwach couldn't feel their Reiatsu. And yeah, Byakuyas statement helps here. If Ichigo and stronger Yhwach are equal, and Ichibei is far above weaker Yhwach, Ichibei is probably equal to Ichigo at this point in Reiatsu. Mugetsu Ichigo is base or Shikai Ichigo level, we know that, so obviously both are stronger than that.
3.) Yhwach did fight Yama without Almighty, otherwise Ichibei would've known about it because he sees all in SS. Yhwach also was facing a casual Ichibei, so that doesn't work. And of course he wasn't using Almighty to tank, that's not how that power works. Anyways, Ichibei's ink is ranged and pure Reiatsu, so it wouldn't be burned. And his sword is also a lot more durable because Ichibei is stronger than Loyd and his Reiatsu is constantly running through his sword. While you could say that the sword wouldn't be able to touch Yama, the ink would, so Yama can't get close either. It's a stalemate or Ichibei wins; Yama has no win condition.
@@QrowxClover 1. the one's outside of reincarnation cycle are those appointed by reio himself. and again, he has control and command on the darkness and names, but he doesn't have absolute authority over it. we literally see him fail anyways. yhwwch is not a part of reio and has never been said to be so. he is the son of reio. exactly!! the reio fragments ≠ negate ichibe's powers, it just means that hollows who consume reio fragments can immediately amp up their reiatsu to a degree that it breaks the command of power ichibe has. so, it all falls down to the reiatsu yet again. reio fragments by themselves have no role in negating ichibe's powers at all. while ichibe's powers to takes away name is terrifying, it all comes down to who he's fighting. if his opponent is weak, they just won't be able to break out, while that isn't applicable on those who aren't weak. and yama is one of them as his reiatsu is insanely massive to the point he can literally cause a collapse of ss itself. that's not a feat of "insignificant reiatsu".
2. transcendence is indeed a level of power. And no, ichigo isn't 5D, but he is very well a 4D being (in dangai/Mugetsu, and true zanpakto forms). His powers challenge against yhwach who as the new soul king has the power to rewrite the reality they currently live in. And that's a feat beyond that of a 3D being. There are layers in each dimensions, just because a mugetsu was stronger than monster aizen doesn't mean he reached a new dimension, it just means ichigo was on a higher layer within the same dimension. Aizen himself calls becoming transcendent as a going beyond the limits of a being you are, a 3D being no matter how strong they get can't break out of their own existence until they break into a higher dimension. Reio himself can easily be placed as a being beyond 4D because of his absolute power to mold the world in any manner using almighty and even declaring/establishing laws and rules to this creation. That's not even true, if yhwach was far weaker than ichibe, ichibe wouldn't even have taken a slight bit of damage from yhwach at all. But we see that to be false yet again as yhwach was immediately able to pierce ichibe using his reishi arrow. If you are not relative in reiatsu, the unconscious release of reiatsu breaks the weaker ones attack without any efforts and this is an established point we see multiple times within the story. the point of "not being able to sense reiatsu" is a discarded point. We have urahara state that muken aizen had surpassed the version of ichigo who fought aizen. This statement is very crucial as the only versions of ichigo that were "stronger" than aizen were dangai and mugetsu. Showing that urahara was able to determine how strong mugetsu was, and muken aizen's glimpse of power surpassed that. We see this happen multiple times. Even in HM arc, we have characters not being able to sense zaraki's presence at all as he swooped in to save Ichigo from nnoitora. And Zaraki shows the same feet even in TYBW arc. The ability to not sense is just because the reiatsu is in passive state and not rippling. Also, ichibe's fight was very relative even again base yhwach. Meanwhile, ichigo actually had the power to harm yhwach, and even force yhwach to preemptively break his bankai as he feared it's ability to change future. And ofc, SK yhwach is on another level of power than base/Quincy king yhwach. Ichibe fought, lost the fight and lost all will to continue against Quincy king yhwach. Meanwhile, even with just ⅓ of ichigo's true powers, he was still capable of OHKO yhwach twice. It's just yhwach's hax triumphed over that if Ichigo and aizen.
3. The anime isn't really faithful adaptation. And yhwach had the power of clairvoyance only as the Quincy king. He didn't had the power to alter anything. The power of clairvoyance can't be known by anyone other than the user himself. Also, the point of "ichibe would have known" doesn't really work anyways because even when yhwach showed almighty to him in their fight, ichibe still didn't realise what he was fighting, especially knowing that ichibe has existed since the same time period as reio and should have known about reio's almighty, especially when it's stated that the new world reio created was using almighty's powers. Regardless, even if we assume, Yama won against base yhwach (however dumb it maybe), ichibe still couldn't defeat the same base yhwach anyways. Yhwach completely tanked ichibe's full barrage while still being in base. And let's just say that yhwach's 1000 year cycle ended right before he was hit. And yhwach regained his strength and physical attributes from 1000 years ago, which helped him tank ichibe's attack (in a similar manner where ikomikidomoe broke ichibe's seal, assuming, yhwach after 1000 year cycle returned back to how strong he was in terms of reiatsu etc, and his reiatsu over powered ichibe's seal). Even then, we are still in the contest that, Yama absolutely crushed that base version of yhwach, meanwhile, ichibe lost because he couldn't overpower that very same base yhwach. (Contd.)
Mayuri Kurotsuchi vs Kisuke Urahara. a battle between them would be interesting especially considering their history together.
I do agree that ichibei would most likely win but I do find it funny that two of the most powerful characters in bleach had to jump through some kind of hoop to cripple yamma in order to fight him also I do have one question and suggest
My question is since I'm assuming aizen knows about yammas bankai do you think wonderweiss could extinguish it since it was what he was built for
And my suggestion would probably be a really long video but taking a character like yamma and having them.face all captains in a gauntlet style thing and seeing how far he could go before losing or dies or the same but ywhach and the sternritters
The fact that you have to get around ichibe’s abilities or ignore them in some sense to have him fight literally anyone should be enough to know that he’s the clear winner, no shade towards yama.
*Exactly.*
I think one thing we need to consider is the ability to steal blackness from anything. Fire Creates shadows which is black. Also, yama's bankai is considered "charred" which means it is somehow blackened, it can be stolen easily by ichibei, his grave revival ability the skeletons are charred so all of it will be stolen as well. Side note, I just find it nice that technically these two characters are two separate sides of the coin. Yamamoto weilds symbolically or figuratively sunlike powers and provides light with his zanpaktou, Ichibei steals all black and has the ability to symbolically steal nights from soul society. Sun and Moon. Like it.
I think a better symbolic representation would be the Sun against Space itself, the blackness that covers all.
Honestly it's March Madness. You should have made a bracket and had a tournament. You would have a ton more videos to post.
Now we know why Aizen and Ywhach chose all-white uniforms for their factions.
Aside from my personal bias, which you noted on this, both ywach and aizen both wanted to defer from a direct confrontation with yamamoto. And while i feel this is kubo giving him the respect he deserves from all of us, he should be considered that much of a threat at least. Aizen wanting to rid himself of yamamoto before his "ascendence" and ywach wanting to do away with him just the same, and both in the same indirect way.
Oh PS: ywach confronted ichibei and aizen lost to urahara and kido
Yhwach said Ichibei is the leader or shinigami and he was proud to fight with him on equal terms.
@@ononthecreator irrelevant and be told him to step aside cuz he’s fodder
@@ononthecreatorthat's not an argument
Firstly, I'd like to point out that Yamamoto could easily be a part of the Zero squad simply because he's the strongest shinigami to ever lead the whole Gotei 13. In fact, I'd expand on that and say Yamamoto is secretly the sixth member of the Zero Squad who's main role is to lead the Gotei 13. Being a top notch expect in Zanjutsu, Hakuda, Hoho, and Kido, he is represented as the peak of pure shinigami strength. This is why Aizen was afraid of fighting hi m one-on-one, and why Yhwach was very careful in dealing with him. Yamamoto is the guard that stands between the Royal Palace and any would-be intruders. He may have gotten a bit soft at the end (as depicted by Yhwach), but he's still a monster of raw strength nonetheless.
Except people don't join the RG because of strength - they get there because they invented something that contributed to the history of Soul Society. Yama wouldn't get there because of his strength, he would get there because of his contribution of the academy etc.
Yama is stronger than every Squad Zero member except Ichibei.
promoting yama to rg status is like sealing him , he cant possibly use zanka no tachi near the soul king
Could you make a video of what Espada could beat which captain/sternritter and which have no chance?
Pretty fair, hard to argue against this.
Even if Yamamoto wins you know he’s getting a slash to his Christmas bonus
I really don't see how people get confused about this. Ichibei is stronger than Yamamoto in every way. I don't see a win con for Genryusai. Please put it to rest. If you have any disputes, put them in my comment, I will reply and share my views on the dispute and hopefully put it to bed
Overall I think your conclusion is correct, but there's one thing I'd have to disagree with. Yamamoto's arms head and feet are really only visible for our benefit. A vaguely person shaped pillar of flame isn't as cool as one with a sword and a head that's staring holes through you. In actual practice it'd all be flame.
Also I do wonder if Yamamoto's missing arm factors into it. It would hinder his unarmed combat, though I do wonder if he'd even get to use that against Ichibei.
In Bankai, Yamamoto's sword should basically incinerate anything it touches, so it should at least be able to block if not damage Ichibei's by striking the handle of the brush and avoiding the head.
Still, that Soul King revival is a nice trump card to have.
1. I agree 100%
2. I want to see Unohana vs Aura next
I have to ask MrTommo, do you think kenpachi can beat Ichibe? The arguments im hearing for Kenpachi involve what happened with Ikomikidomoe and its maddening
if you let Narita write the story, Kenpachi will defeat any character in the verse with one swing. CFYOW was excellent in expanding upon the lore but the author just couldn't keep his love for Kenpachi hidden lol
@@udiin6518some parts of naritas writing is just awful
Here's something I think you've missed out on that really tips the balance of the fight in Ichibei's favor: he controls the names of things with his bankai, meaning that he can weaken them *or strengthen them* by changing their name. Considering this, it's entirely feasible that he could rename an object to have all the same powers as Yama's bankai if he wills it. He could literally have his own shikai/bankai, as well as Yama's if he dual wields zanpakutos. Or he could rename the skin on his body to grant himself complete immunity to fire.
Lmfao he just changes his own name to Asbestos? I love it
yeah the potential of Ichibei's bankai isn't really explored, but given the strength of his shikai it would be unlikely it was anything less than god-like when used to its full capacity
but for that to happen ichibies ink or zanpaktou would have to touch yamamato. yamamato cannot and has not been touched while his bankai is active in its full power
@@uptown2029 Why would it have to touch Yamamoto? He's not trying to rename Yamamoto, he'd be renaming a different object to give it the same name (and powers) as Yama's sword. No Yama touching required.
@@-Keith- he would essentially merc himself like the sternritter with imagination whose physical composition couldn't withstand himself imagining that he was the monster zaraki kenpachi. So imitation i feel is out the door here.
Muken Aizen vs. Gérard Valkyrie.
The undecidable fight, I wanna hear your thoughts on it.
I hate when people propose this debate like Ichibei can’t just use his Ichimonji to permanently remove the words “Ashes” which nerfs Ryujin Jakka’s release command “Turn all things in this world to a-“ or even scarier “Bankai” since Ichibei doesn’t use the word Bankai but rather “Shinuchi” which was the first & original command to access Ichimonji’s second stage. Removing Bankai not only nerfs Yamamoto but even the rest of the Squad 0 because Senjumaru confirmed that the holy guardians of the North, East, South, & West use the modern term for their zanpakuto while the Manako Osho is safe using his own special release.
Do a collab with Clyde
Totally amazing breakdown and I liked how you included your theory on certain instances. While I agree that Ichibe would win Yamo is my favorite character so I’m hopeful!
I'd be curious on Ichibei vs Barragan. Powerwise, it's not the same, but I do wonder if Resperia would be a better defense. 🤔
Ichibei beats him before he can use resureccion.
Ichibei would likely backhand the respira away as in the novels it’s stated that kenpachi would likely just be able to cut through respira
people out here speculating abilities vs abilities, the most imporant thing is always Power level, you cant put a 100 PL against 1000 PL and expect the guy to win.
Baragan was on par with Ikomikidomoe who was sealed by Ichibei and required eating Hikone reaitsu to even break the seal that was placed on him by Ichibei
barragan is so overrated because he handled arrancar arc SOI FON, every tybw captain slams him
@@Raifyiix Barragan is underrated in his own arc. Way too many people put Ulquiorra over him with zero evidence. But yes, no Espada is on the level of the Sternritters or Captains except Grimmjow. And that’s only because Grimmjow got a power boost off screen.
*there’s a reason why ICHIBO is protecting the Soul King and Yama isn’t* 💀 end of video LOLOL no but fr great video TOMMO
you should make aizen vs ichibe
It always bothers me when people give the Sternritter so much credit when they had to steal the bankai to have a chance to beat them. They got effectively nerfed yet people still say the sternritter are stronger
Considering a few soul reapers needed to use Bankai immediately to fight a bunch of characters in their base forms.