I think they should have professional to talk about the differences between Nationality, Ethnicity/Race (skin color) and culture. It would be so good to educate themselves and the public. ❤️
Shelsie - People need to study their heritage and go to college and minor in History or a specific ethnicity to learn about themselves. A good example of culture is Black people, who claim to be Native Americans, who were not born Natives, but were cultured into the heritage. Many freed Blacks lived amongst Natives as a matter of protection from slavery. My bachelor's degrees are History/African American Studies and I studies African and Latin culture. I speak Swahili.
R M - I have no idea why you misinterpret my post into my indicating that Black people aren't Native Americans. It's not what I stated at all. Repeat - some Black people weren't Natives but were Natives by affiliation. Both my paternal and maternal great=grandmothers were Native Americans (registered). My grandmother is from Charleston, SC. She spoke Gullah. From living with her as a child, I speak Gullah. My father didn't want us (my siblings and I) using my grandmother's dialect because he thought it was ignorant.
R M - Most Natives bought slaves to protect them from slavery. Let's be clear about this because White racist scholars have tried to argue that Natives enslaved Black people. Some Black people willing migrated with Natives as protection from slavery, and they were never slaves. My paternal great-grandmother was one of a few Native American who owned land in the south. We still own most of the property today.
It's pretty simple. Race = DNA, genetics, phenotype, and in most cases simply based on skin color (e.g. Black = African, Caucasian = European, etc.). Ethnicity = culture, music, dance, language, customs and behavioral practices, dress/attire, family customs and socialization, religion, political worldview, etc. BONUS: Nationality = citizenship tied to a specific country.
@@gonaedeath2 Skin color correlates directly to the amount of melanin developed by genes within each individual (from their parents), thus related to DNA and genetics (phenotype). www.aad.org/public/kids/skin/what-gives-skin-its-color - How much melanin your body makes depends on your genes, which you get from your parents. www2.palomar.edu/anthro/adapt/adapt_4.htm - basic explanation on pigmentation and melanin
I really believe that "race" is made word to divide/ categorize people. Out of & 7 continents, over a hundred countries, a thousand language & dialects , ya''ll only came up with 3 damn races, black, white & mongols.. somebody lying
@@cindyben3089 You're correct. Most countries had no serious concept of race, but mostly identified by ethnicity...until EUROPEAN contact. Race is a social construct developed by Europeans to "justify" their so-called superiority over other groups who literally had the potential to genetically eliminate Europeans from the planet. This was a major concern, thus a system of racial classification was necessary to emphasize a caste system that placed Europeans as "superior" to everyone else...when in fact all that really happened was they showed up and either murdered (via genocide) or enslaved other groups, steal their land, and extricate another country's raw materials for their OWN benefit and to everyone else's detriment. Slavery, colonialism, and imperialism are euphemisms and used as justification for this atrocious behavior. They love to call it "Social Darwinism" or "survival of the fittest." In short - they basically lied, cheated, and murdered their way to success. That's the history in a nutshell. Everything else they tell you is just fluff.
I have a dear friend who is Mexican-American. Her results say she is of 9% African descent. She acted like she didn’t understand the results. Lol. I’m also Mexican-American.
I understand you A, we are very mixed but we should not claim black.( Only if you are afro-latino of course) we do not have the same struggles as they do, if you do not know what it's like to walk the shoes of a black women. It can be taken very offensive. Correct me if I'm wrong ladies/gents ?
@yo soy caribeña Thank you. I just watched the clip, I think Adrienne means well but no sis lol I think Yvette was trying to gently "inform" Adrienne, like it's cool that you have SOME African ancestry, you are not ashamed and you consider yourself an ally to Black Americans HOWEVER they are very specific and systemic things that have and continues to happen to Black Americans in this country starting with 300 years of slavery.
I think she made a point that while she is not very open to calling herself black (race), based on her upbringing (Lower eastside NY), people have criticised her for acting black (culture) without being black (race) and she says it's just her upbringing.
That's a pretty significant percentage. The higher the percentage, the more recent the ancestor. So her family was originally African with a percentage like that, but intermixed very recently.
V L the funny thing is even before their test results... Adrienne has always talked about and has been very honest and tanking up for what she believes in when it comes to the black community and etc
Noemi Cordova Adrienne is mixed race like many Latinos. And she does have Afro-Latino roots, but it doesn’t matter cause she doesn’t identify as Afro-Latina anyways.
@@reinaguzman9030 She's 60% white. And only like 7% African. Being 7% black doesn't make you "afro-" anything. She's around 25% Indigenous, I believe. She's mixed but she's most definitely white-passing. That remark YNB said about "I can tell you have African heritage" is completely blowing smoke up Adrienne's ass. You can't tell she has any African heritage whatsoever.
I think she is saying that she grew up with partially black parents so that makes her have blackness (aware of black struggles etc) but that’s just my interpretation.
Jeanie is so right about the BAY area. I grew up with so much diversity! It was so beautiful 💖💖💖 My bestfriends growing were, Cambodian, Puerto Rican, Philippinno ect. So fabulous. That has shaped me to be the woman I am!
Adrienne you are definitely invited to the cookout. You are more passionate about issues that black people face than a lot of black people themselves. It's awesome to see you embrace your African heritage and you Hispanic culture
Yes you've missed it. She picked Christian Bale and Tom Ford once! 😂😂😂ruclips.net/video/7gJj3N7oU9o/видео.html ruclips.net/video/Ue_xQwm5iRQ/видео.html But I get your point it's mostly Black dudes. I'm here for it! 😂😂
I don't fault Adrienne because she said before speaking that she may need to go to a race class. And that she does lol! Latinos are made up of different things but most are mixed with white, black, or original Indian which we call Native Americans. Adrienne though has said she has mostly white in her heritage so boo you would be a white Latina, not Afro Latina sorry. Culturally she hung around black people but so did Eminem and he's still white at the end of the day. You still don't know what it's like being black so you can't just up and claim it because you have a small percentage in your blood. However for mixed people with 50% black in them they can say they are black like Tamera. But for the ones that pass for white it's their responsibility to acknowledge that I am black however I know I didn't have the same black experience as people that look more visibly black because I can pass for just white.
Your response is 100% on point. Also, what was that comment she referred to that people say she “talks black?’ What is talking black exactly which is what she needed to follow up with after she made that comment. In addition being from New York doesn’t make you speak a certain type of way as there. Yes there are accents as there are in many cultures around the world but talking black? Do black people in England talk black? Omg and that Eminem example had me dying by its soooo true.
@@mizza9595 Exactly all black people don't speak the same! That's a stereotype, it's also a stereotype that all black women have an attitude which is what the guest host said in another clip. I guess she meant typical "hood talk" that people associate with talking black, which is why people are so shocked when someone black, intelligent and well spoken comes from the hood. Everybody isn't the same.
Love XOXO and you know what’s beyond ignorant? All this “hood talk” and “ghetto talk” that many people refer to - - comes in all colors, shapes and sizes. NOT JUST BLACK! Sorry just had to get that out too.
That was a great point but I think some people seem to forget that others are going by the one drop rule when they claim they are black and are less than 50% and do not visibly get perceived as that race.
Non-black people love to find out they have black in them because ultimately they feel it gives them access and ownership to our culture without actually dealing with the issues and problems that plague our community.....Dear Adrienne you are not black! With the Gucci topic you didnt say a word, because we all know you would not boycot Gucci or get rid of your Gucci products. In that case your luxury as a non black person is more important for you than being 7% "African".....
Tia J my ppl are TOO damn sensitive. you mean like how some of our ppl say im puerto rican & Indian? talking bout im Cherokee 😂 bc they know no other tribe. everyone doesn’t want to be black, some are happy to be non black. I know there’s a few that do, just like some from our community want to be less to non black 🤦🏽♀️ one thing for sure, they are mad if you do acknowledge the little to big blackness that resides in you & they are mad if you don’t acknowledge it you can’t have it all ways. pick
Tia J I know what she is and it doesn’t bother me either way how she identifies. That’s on her. Does it bother you that much that she says she is? It has nothing to do w any of us
When I was growing up in NYC PROJECT YES! Blacks & Latinos went through the SAME struggle!!! We were all looked down on from the outside world. Ppl NON blacktino. Period! This era may be different but yes, and that is why I love and see us as ONE!
being bi-racial (black and white) I have never been white enough for white people or black enough for black people. My complexion is on the fair side but I have features that I get from my black side. But whenever I was younger I would tell people I was mixed and they wouldn't believe me. It sucks because I have always been proud to be mixed. I never once said I was white or black...I say I'm mixed because that's what I am. I hate that people used to deny my race because I didn't fit their typical image of what a mixed person looks like (darker skin).
Yoooo people thought I was you!! I'm black, Panamanian, and Cherokee and literally if I didnt say anything they thought I was black and white and then when I said no they were like more interested but then I'd say I'm Panamanian and they were almost mad at me. It was like I was kicked out of a race I didnt even have to then be kicked out a race I'm really apart of. The irony of it all.. you're not alone.
Cameron Andrews sorry to hear that. My Niece’s are able to pass as white but are very proud of being g black but get questioned about it. You would think in this day and age people should be over that.
Okay, Adrienne does need to take a class on race and at least she knows that. But she does not know the difference between race and ethnicity. Race is a social construct. It is not biologically sound. It was MADE UP. Race is about how you look. Skin color, hair texture, face shape, bone structure, eye color, etc. in addition to heritage. So, it does not matter if you are 7% African, 6% Asian, 13% Native American blah blah blah. In Adrienne’s mind, it sounds like she doesn’t think the white Latino box on the census applies to her because she has 7 percent African DNA. But Race does not work that way, it’s not a biological reality. It has nothing to do with what percentage of what ethnicity you are. It’s about how you look. And honestly, that number is not significant so I don’t know why she’s wrestling with this. She had a higher percentage of Asian Ancestry but never talks about that. And Loni is more European than Adrienne is African, does that mean she’s mixed race? No. Loni’s ETHNICITY would be British, Nigerian, Senegalese, etc. Her RACE is black. Adrienne’s race is not black. Being African is just a part of her ethnicity.
Thank you, someone, who understands. I'm tired of seeing people in the comments or in real life confuse Race, Ethnicity, and Nationality it's so draining and it's not that hard to understand. And black people who don't know any better love to claim people with 20% and below because they hang on to that one drop rule.
It's pretty simple. Race = DNA, genetics, phenotype, and in most cases simply based on skin color (e.g. Black = African, Caucasian = European, etc.). Ethnicity = culture, music, dance, language, customs and behavioral practices, dress/attire, family customs and socialization, religion, political worldview, etc. BONUS: Nationality = citizenship tied to a specific country.
Mandy Oh No. You can embrace all of your ancestry but you can only identify with that which applies to you. Blackness does not apply to Adrienne. It’s a part of her ethnic background, not her race. You can’t just choose your race. You can’t just decide to identify with a race that you aren’t. And DNA has nothing to do with that. Whether she wants to be or not, Adrienne is not black. Having African DNA doesn’t make you black, race is not a biological concept, it is a social one. Also, I don’t really want to get all into this because it’ll take too long. But I find it REALLY hard to believe that Adrienne’s identity is authentically dependent on recognizing her “blackness”. She didn’t even know she had African ancestry until a couple of years ago, and identifying with blackness goes beyond partaking in black culture. Blackness is MORE than just relating to black music, speaking black slang, having black friends, etc. I just don’t believe that Adrienne is emotionally invested in blackness in any way that’s organic or significant, because Adrienne is NOT black, she just isn’t, and the “superficial” aspects of our culture is not the extent of our experience, nor does it even begin to define our ethnic identities. So it doesn’t matter how familiar she is with black culture or black people for that matter, she does not have the experience of a black woman let alone a black person and she doesn’t understand what it means/how it feels to be black.
@Mandy Oh To your question - "Would you call a dark skin Indian or Middle Eastern person black?" My response = Absolutely...dark/darker skin Indian or Middle Eastern persons are Black and are of African descent (by race) and with a DNA mix from other races. They're Black and Arab/or Indian...or simply Black Arab, thus denoting both Black race and Arab/Indian ethnicity. These same folk, however, may refer to themselves by some other identity. That's all well and good, but it's generally very easy to identify anyone of African descent. If in doubt, just ask. People have the right to self-identify race and ethnicity. It's difficult to deny African heritage if everyone else is looking directly at skin tone/color, but (as always) there are exceptions. By the way, the reason dark-skin Arabs are in the region in the first place is mostly due to being descendants of former slaves a la the Trans-Saharan Slave Trade. Anyone not descended from the slave trade are mostly immigrants from African countries.
Mandy Oh The black experience is multidimensional, but I’m not sure that that causes a struggle to empathize with each other. For the most part, I think it’s the opposite, because I think our consciousness of race and blackness is fundamentally the same, regardless of how identical our life events are. Though I also understand that there are elements of the experience of black people in other countries that everyone can’t identify with. One example I can think of is that black people in the US and the Caribbean, and Latin Americans have an erased ethnic identity due to the slave trade. This is a unique aspect of the black experience that black people say in the UK or in an African country may not relate to. And I don’t know why black is mostly used for African-Americans, but I can tell you that race is an American invention and I guess people just never expanded the term, so that probably has something to do with it. My guess on why that is goes back to the erased ethnic identity problem. Black people from other countries tend to know what country they originate from. If they’re from Nigeria, they’re Nigerian. If they’re from Ghana, They’re Ghanaian. Even black people in the Caribbean have their own countries at this point. Black Americans don’t know where they came from, so unfortunately their race is more significant than their ethnicity, because they were robbed of their ties to it. So they just call themselves black. African-American is usually only used in formal settings or official documents and a lot of people don’t even like calling themselves that because hyphenated racial terms are usually only used for immigrants. But anyways, if I had to guess, that’s probably why. And finally, I think the black experience is all encompassing. That doesn’t mean everyone has the same experiences, but rather that the system of black oppression is consistent, irrespective of how it’s manifested. And if the all encompassing definition is too broad or too narrow to service you, you just have to customize your activism. I don’t think it’s difficult. I just think you need a separate conversation. A separate movement. A sub-movement within the bigger one. This reminds me of the 60s, where in America, black people in the north and south were fighting two different forms of racism. The system was the same, the consequences were different. So they had to have different strategies and platforms to fight it. And I don’t think this applies to all melanated people either. All melanated people aren’t black, and being a person of color and being a black person are two different things. Being Caribbean or being African doesn’t indicate race either. There probably won’t be any single discussion that could possibly comprehensively explain the complexities of everyone’s black experience (in a way that’s helpful). You gotta do that separately.
I love how this segment comments on “Black People” vs “Blackness.” There is most definitely a difference. Also personally, I think it’s amazing that Adrienne takes pride in the African she has in her! I think it is all about taking pride in what you are. I would see it as an issue if an individual claimed to be something just because it is convenient for them. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging your roots, and taking pride in it. I say this as a girl w both black and hispanic roots! ❤️
Im Nigerian, and I live in Silicon Valley now, Jeannie is right that there is diversity in races dating but not as many black and white couples as you see on tv. There is definitely a lot of back lash I have personally received from black men, literally yelling/cursing at us in the streets, because I'm with a white man. So yes Jeannie this is definitely a problem but she's so intelligent so I'm very glad she is mentioning it. Please let's not all forget how much Loni made fun of Tamera being with a white man, and now Loni is with one, this is a great lesson to the haters who don't want to see black and white people together
There’s race, color, social class and economics etc. that plays a HUGE part in all of these opinions on what’s right and what’s wrong. BLUF is we’re equal!
I never dealt with so many questions about my race till I came to university in America. My mother is East Indian and my father is Russian . I’ve heard everything under the sun and constantly people telling me their opinions on what they think or thought I am.
Honestly, even when I was younger watching Cheetah girls I considered Adrienne to be black lol I knew she wasn't 100% black but I could just tell that she had some in her.
I always thought she was Black when she was in 3LW! And honestly even in some clips of the real I'm like, "Adrienne low key look Black in this one" lmao
T Knight exactly !!! Lol like is she serious !????i took one of these dumb ancestry test and I’m like 7% Irish, and I don’t go around telling people I’m freaking Irish
The US needs to put mestizo on the census. It's insane that English speakers don't have that category. So many people in Latin America identify that way. A lot of us are a mix!
The problem with the conversations of race is that race is a social construct. Race isn’t really real, genetically speaking. Race, ethnicity and culture are completely different things, but we often talk about them interchangeably. With black American people, who’s family has been in America for generations, most of the time the race they identify with matches their culture, but sometimes this isn’t the case and that’s when it becomes confusing like what Adrienne said. If Adrienne with her exact genetic composition was raised by two African American (culture) people , who’s family have been in America for centuries (ethnicity) then she would probably consider herself black (race). But she was raised by latino people (culture) , who’s (ethnicity)is from Puerto Rico, but she looks racially ambiguous (since there is no such thing as a Latino or Puerto Rican race). So technically she can choose what race she identifies with. She can be Afro Latina or white Latina or mixed race. For example if Amara La Negra says she’s black, no one would questions it because her outward appearance looks more typical to the black race, but she’s a Latina (culture) with Dominican (ethnicity). Society basically chooses your race for you. Think about it, there are people who look less racially black than Adrienne but are more culturally African American. We need to makes distinctions between culture, ethnicity and race when we have these discussions.
Thank you! I'm getting tired of these confused I'll informed conversations. Not only is American understanding of the race construct a mess, but then you have people watching this from all over the world bringing even more confusion to the conversation online. 🤦🏽
@A. T. What are you even talking about? She used Adriennes Puerto Rican identity as an example what she is saying is universal. Race IS a construct. Also, even though Puerto Rico is a colony of the US, that has nothing to do with Puerto Ricans being its own separate culture and ethnicity. The thing that Adrienne forgets to mention most of the time is that she is Nuyorican. She's not from PR. Nuyoricans have their own culture that is not really Puerto Rican. It's a mix of NY culture with Puerto Rican customs. Many Nuyoricans don't speak Spanish. But that has nothing to do with PR where most people do not speak english and have a much more distinct latin American culture.
Ashley Shautice Thank you for the comment. I’ve never heard the term Nuyorican. This is why we need to have these conversations. Culture, race and ethnic identity are so nuanced
Im really confused by what Adrienne's saying. I just watched their DNA video and she was more middle eastern, native American and Irish than black but she isn't claiming any of those. It seems a little like she claims the 7% just bc it's "cooler" to her than the others. She also said she "talks black" what even is that. I don't think you should claim to be a race just because you've always had friends from that race. You haven't struggled as a black woman so you shouldn't try and thrive as one if you aren't one! 🤷🏻♀️
Adrienne I love you but there is a difference between race and ethnicity. They need to put someone on here that really understands these logistics to explain to the hosts and audience. All the hosts have such big open hearts but they can’t talk about these issues intelligently if they don’t even understand them.
It's pretty simple. Race = DNA, genetics, phenotype, and in most cases simply based on skin color (e.g. Black = African, Caucasian = European, etc.). Ethnicity = culture, music, dance, language, customs and behavioral practices, dress/attire, family customs and socialization, religion, political worldview, etc. BONUS: Nationality = citizenship tied to a specific country.
Really? I don't think I've ever heard her speak poorly of her own family, which are Asian... besides it really does come down to compatibility, and we don't past relationships.
There's a strong and clear difference between her having a preference while dating and "not liking her own kind". With that kind of statement, you are implying she does not like who she is or where she comes from. Jeanie having one or few black boyfriends doesn't define the individual that she is. What about her roots, the culture she grew up around, having immigrant parents, etc.? Aren't those bigger contributors to who you are as an individual than the men you choose to date? Are you defined by the men you date, Joanna? So quite frankly, you need to stop spewing out ignorant ass remarks just to have an opinion. I implore you to think more critically when commenting on someone's life/character, especially in the context of race and identity.
That's true, however, most people may try to date their own kind at least once but she has never mentioned once that she dated one, even Loni dated someone Chinese once, she said that. @@joannasaadati8810
Latinos/Hispanics are mixed AF. I haven't taken a DNA test but when I was younger I would look at the question "what race are you?" on paper. I would put white and then it would ask me ethnicity and I would say Latino/Hispanic. Though all I know thus far from my heritage is that some of my family migrated to Central America from Spain. But if you were someone like Amara la negra, or Dominican...would you put Race black and Ethnicity- Hispanic/Latino? That's what I would assume. What about someone mixed? Black and White? Anyways very interesting to learn about race and mixed people, it's beautiful
It's confusing in the US/English. There is no mestizo option and it forces people to change their racial identification when they move to the US because there are only two options in the minds of Americans: white or black.
JazzyWazzy originally latinx are people who originate from Latin America. Hispanic are people who originate from countries that speak the Spanish language. Example: Brazil is a Latin country because the native language is Portuguese.
Brianda G Latin America is primarily South America. So think Peru, the Dominican Republic, Venezuela... Some of these countries native language is Spanish so people from there would be consider Hispanic - latinx
Hispanic is a term that was invented by the U.S. government to put down on the U.S. census. It defines that one is Hispanic if the speak the Spanish Language. Latino is what someone identifies as if they originate from a Latin American country (think Mexico and down) also Latin America and South America are different. South America is inside of Latin America because there are still Latin American countries in North America (Mexico) and in Central America (Guatemala, El Salvador etc.) as well as the Caribbean countries (ex. Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Cuba) Someone can be both Latino and Hispanic, or just Latino but not Hispanic (ex. Brazilians) or Hispanic but not Latino (ex. Spaniards) Latinx is a term that was recently coined by the younger Latinx generation. It adds the x at the end of Latino because it is meant to represent those who identify as Latino but are non-binary or are a part of the LGBT community and wish not to use the masculine form Latino, which in Spanish technically covers both men and women. I would say most Latinos/Latinx identify as such and are not using Hispanic as much anymore because it was a word that was invented by the government to claim us on a piece of paper. Latin people outside of the U.S. don't use Hispanic either, they identify as whatever their nationality is and as Latino. Hope this helps! : )
So I looked back at the old clips when they got their DNA test, Adrienne is 7% African but in this clip she just said her mother is 47% African, so wouldn't Adrienne have more African DNA? I'm so confused...
@@deedee19951000 No that's a myth amongst black Americans because of the one drop rule system and how during slavery if your father is a slave you're a slave. But in reality, every human has 46 chromosomes; 23 from your mother, 23 from your father. You do not get more DNA from your father.
@@deedee19951000 That's so incorrect my dear lol. How do you people not know that's wrong. Think with your brain! Do you really think that's true???? Sahara Seka broke it down for you. 23 chromosomes from your mother and 23 chromosomes from your be father. So if Adrienne's mom truly had 47% African DNA, Adrienne would have more than 7% show up in her DNA.
I can't with Adrienne. 7% is no where near enough to claim black. 'You're cancer has a 7% chance of coming back' 'you have a 7% chance of passing this class'. You would drop that 7% any moment for a job opportunity or to get out of a parking ticket. I can't speak on Latino people because that isn't a massive section of Britain like it is in America and I'm sure that label has given Adrienne lots of experiences but I don't think you can claim black. Growing up around black people does not make you black. You have just absorbed some of the culture. You've been influenced by black culture. You need to explore your true heritage and be proud of that. Be the best ally to people of colour you can but don't ride their experience carrying your 7%
When will RIGHT or WRONG....NOT be associated with RACE, CREED, COLOR AND OR POLITICAL PARTY AFFILIATION or FINANCIAL STATUS? Everybody wants to be right, but not Correct.
STOP BELITTLING ADRIENNE! My college professor explained what race, ethnicity, and nationality differ and it is EXTREMELY complicated! Mostly because it’s man-made. Only people create a stigma or significance on it and outside of options it does not exist.
Ahhhhhh. Sometimes I wish we could be there in real time to clear a lot of this up. A lot of us study this stuff.... I identify as Afro-Chicana and I study Afro/Afro-American Studies and Chicanx Studies... I so wanted to talk to A. Girl hmu lol, let's chat.
I feel in general Americans focus so much on race. I know it’s because of the sad history but really it’s time to just be the human race. Be what you are, be proud and let others be proud of what they are.
I would consider Adrienne to be mestizo (multi -racial) which is the case of many Latinx people. The dna test episode which we’ve all seen, Adrienne was the most mixed. She had European, indigenous, African, and I think something else, but there was only 7% African and I believe that was one of her lowest percentages. I think it’s perfectly fine to identify yourself as biracial or multiracial if you don’t phenotypically fit into one category. So her race would be multiracial but her ethnicity would be latinx/Hispanic (correct me if I’m wrong, I think Hispanic may actually refer to the culture and Latin is just for ppl living in South America, Central America and the Caribbean.) Now Amara la Negra on the other hand is a very obvious Afro Latina. I wouldn’t consider Adrienne an Afro Latina. Just my 2 cents.
Agreed. She's mestiza. Though in English "mixed" and "multiracial" don't have the same cultural cohesion that "mestizo" has in Spanish. Mestizo is a very specific type of mixing and is basically a creole culture. So many people in Latin America identify as mestizo, and have for so many generations, it's become its own thing--not African, not Black, not European, not white, not indigenous.
We all have one heritage in common, and that's being American. The idea that you have to love or be proud of some country because your ancestors lived there is ridiculous.
For me I don’t want to make someone feel less than or question them on what makes them “ them “ if somebody is black , I’m not gonna ask “ well do you ... like most black people “ here’s something special about being black or any race at that , we have different facets and attributes that make us extremely unique yet cohesive , we don’t have to be the same but we can even learn things from each other regardless of how we were raised or what ways we look like ! And can still be “ brothas “ and “ sistas “ because we as a community have the moral duty to stick together no matter the circumstance
We should just judge RACE based on looks at this point.... because lets face it, that's how the public will discriminate against certain people... whether they LOOK like a specific race.
I completely understand Adrienne's point of view! Honestly, I think a lot of Afro-Latins, Hispanics, and even Black Americans struggle with race and culture. For African Americans, especially, we are technically, a very mixed race that displays more of our African ancestors more than anything. Most African Americans in this country are 20-40 percent white and/or other, besides African American. But we were forced to stick to one identity, Black, which I truly love. But it does raise a lot of questions when regarding race, cultural identity and more amongst a lot of us. But every black woman's journey is different. For her, she is just discovering her ancestral history, which a lot of people are doing right now.
Why do ppl keep saying the world is gonna be mixed by 2050. There a whole continent of black folk that don’t seem to be mixing and most likely will not ever completely mixed because we hold our culture so high and not many white/non African ppl seem to be down. Our elders don’t trust other races and our female elders are very critical when it come to marriage. We don’t divorce. If you do that is so rare. Marriage is not a game for us as it seems to be for white and black Americans, and having children out of wedlock is not an option. There spiritual ties that run very deep. I don’t think it’s gonna happen for Africans. Especially if the economy gets better.
I see alot of women on here attacking Adrienne for some reason. I cannot understand why. Black people are always mad when latinx people deny their African heritage but when we finally have someone who embraces it (and it's pretty evident that Adrienne always has), we want to denounce her and say she's just trying to use it to her advantage? WTF?
There's so so so much to unpack here. We need to do better at understanding global blackness. African Americans have a very limited understanding of how blackness shows up world wide. And many AAs loveee deciding who is or isnt black based on looks, culture, and/or upbringing. We NEED to talk about this.
Adrienne - I see where your confusion is, hun. If you take a college class on race, here's what you will learn: Race is a social construct. There's no scientific basis for it. This is why you're confused; race is made up. Even if you look at the census throughout US history, you'll see different races being added and taken away based on the time period => social and political context. We'll probably in our lifetime see changes on the census regarding Latinos and Middle Eastern/Arab people, seeing as how these populations have grown, their places in American society have changed over the last few decades, and the dialogue surrounding these groups has changed. I am a Black woman. I have two Black parents, pretty dark skin, afro hair, full lips, broad nose. I am 100% read as a Black woman in America. When I traveled in Martinique (caribbean island with a wildly diverse Black population) and I said I was Black, they told me "you're not that black, your skin is kindof light." They had a completely different conception of race because of their own societal and cultural history, and there's no way to really dispute that because that's the only real basis for race - societal understanding. Similarly, I've had light skinned Black friends that traveled to Africa and were told by Africans that they're white, but by no means would they be considered white in America. Just continue to be proud of your culture, and continue to fight against injustices that people of color, and especially Black people, face in this country.
While it's fair to look critically at Senator Harris's record on black people were also have to support her right to run. Being President as a minority is tough(Obama) So we're need to support those in our community who do get the chance to reach that level. What's more important is how we hold them accountable afterwards. We'll have the luxury to be picky when even more people can run w/o races being a big barrier.
Adrianne you’re only 7% African, are you confused alit ?? You are 60% European and 30% native ... Just stop ✋ you ain’t black !!!! I’m 7% Irish and I don’t go around telling people im Irish ...
Love is love and thats it! My eldest son asked me one day what would I say if he dated out of our race.. And honesty i just looked at him and said what outside of the human race!?
All Latinos, and specially if you have some Caribbean in you have African roots in them (even if they deny it!). Now, Adrienne has mentioned before that her background is made up of Puerto Rican and Ecuadorian parents, for those of you who don't know Ecuador is in South America. I like her but it gets very annoying that she is always mentioning that she is Puerto Rican and now she is always mentioning that she is black and she forgot about the Ecuadorian background? or is just not that popular to mention that you are Ecuadorian every day!!!
Adrienne might still have issues with her biological father because it was alleged, without her giving all details that he was verbal and physical abusive.
You never see white people talk bad about somebody dating outside of their race we only do that...how interesting. This was a really good topic! People need to stop telling somebody where they belong especially when you’re not in that cultural group.
I think people just look at the history of white people and feel like why would you be proud of that. Otherwise hey it's what you are and you can't change it, just make sure you are not like your racist ancestors.
I don't think it's fair for you to be called racist because of that, that's not even related .. having said that, I think that sentiment may be there because people with historically marginalized identities now have the ability to reclaim those identities without the same repercussions as in the past, that's what proudness denotes, a struggle that has been overcome, so saying they're proud to be black or latina or native american or whatever is a tribute to that struggle. Whereas saying you're proud of being white might be misrepresented as racism because people would question, what would a group that has been the majority & benefitted from the oppression of others have to be proud of the basis of their race if not for the downfall of other groups? That's how it's perceived, regardless of what you intended, that being proud of blackness & being proud of whiteness don't carry the same weight because of the different histories associated with those racial groups. It's all about context, in this case I think people are more attuned to the bigger context, as an individual you could be proud of your family history or whatever you intend to be proud of, but when you make race the defining feature of your proudness, the historical context of your racial group will be pulled in as well.
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Love XOXO look at the history of ANY and you will see evil and good. I love being white and having blonde hair. Doesn’t mean I think any less. All colours skin hair is beautiful. 🤷♀️ don’t let the victim card holders make you feel bad
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Love XOXO also sweetie I’m VERY proud of my white Scottish history. We are warriors and fought for our freedom ✊🏻
Love XOXO black slaves were owned by black slave owners before they were owned by white slave owners. I’m not going to carry around guilt for something that my race did such a long time ago. I don’t come from a wealthy background so I doubt any of my actual relatives owned slaves. You seem to forget, white people are also the ones who FREED the slaves by fighting in wars, risking their own lives. That’s something to be proud of.
As an African, while am conversant with pop culture, I can't relate on a deep level with this cause we not used to having questions about what race you are or not. Its fascinating to see and read all this different dichotomy on race and ethnicity.
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I think they should have professional to talk about the differences between Nationality, Ethnicity/Race (skin color) and culture. It would be so good to educate themselves and the public. ❤️
Shelsie - People need to study their heritage and go to college and minor in History or a specific ethnicity to learn about themselves.
A good example of culture is Black people, who claim to be Native Americans, who were not born Natives, but were cultured into the heritage. Many freed Blacks lived amongst Natives as a matter of protection from slavery.
My bachelor's degrees are History/African American Studies and I studies African and Latin culture. I speak Swahili.
Conscious Wright I agree, this is so cool you took those classes
Thank you! For real!
R M - I have no idea why you misinterpret my post into my indicating that Black people aren't Native Americans. It's not what I stated at all. Repeat - some Black people weren't Natives but were Natives by affiliation.
Both my paternal and maternal great=grandmothers were Native Americans (registered). My grandmother is from Charleston, SC. She spoke Gullah. From living with her as a child, I speak Gullah. My father didn't want us (my siblings and I) using my grandmother's dialect because he thought it was ignorant.
R M - Most Natives bought slaves to protect them from slavery. Let's be clear about this because White racist scholars have tried to argue that Natives enslaved Black people. Some Black people willing migrated with Natives as protection from slavery, and they were never slaves.
My paternal great-grandmother was one of a few Native American who owned land in the south. We still own most of the property today.
People just have to understand the difference between race, ethnicity, and nationality
It's pretty simple. Race = DNA, genetics, phenotype, and in most cases simply based on skin color (e.g. Black = African, Caucasian = European, etc.). Ethnicity = culture, music, dance, language, customs and behavioral practices, dress/attire, family customs and socialization, religion, political worldview, etc. BONUS: Nationality = citizenship tied to a specific country.
@@kevinc3342 Race isn't DNA and genetics. Black People have a wider variety in genetics to each other than other groups. So race is ONLY skin colour.
@@gonaedeath2 Skin color correlates directly to the amount of melanin developed by genes within each individual (from their parents), thus related to DNA and genetics (phenotype).
www.aad.org/public/kids/skin/what-gives-skin-its-color - How much melanin your body makes depends on your genes, which you get from your parents.
www2.palomar.edu/anthro/adapt/adapt_4.htm - basic explanation on pigmentation and melanin
I really believe that "race" is made word to divide/ categorize people. Out of & 7 continents, over a hundred countries, a thousand language & dialects , ya''ll only came up with 3 damn races, black, white & mongols.. somebody lying
@@cindyben3089 You're correct. Most countries had no serious concept of race, but mostly identified by ethnicity...until EUROPEAN contact. Race is a social construct developed by Europeans to "justify" their so-called superiority over other groups who literally had the potential to genetically eliminate Europeans from the planet. This was a major concern, thus a system of racial classification was necessary to emphasize a caste system that placed Europeans as "superior" to everyone else...when in fact all that really happened was they showed up and either murdered (via genocide) or enslaved other groups, steal their land, and extricate another country's raw materials for their OWN benefit and to everyone else's detriment.
Slavery, colonialism, and imperialism are euphemisms and used as justification for this atrocious behavior. They love to call it "Social Darwinism" or "survival of the fittest." In short - they basically lied, cheated, and murdered their way to success. That's the history in a nutshell. Everything else they tell you is just fluff.
This is Tamera’s topic
Julianne Mundle this isn’t anyone’s topic
@@pinkrain cuz she’s mixed idiot
@@rosesmiles2384 everyone alr knows tamera likes rasict ppl who cares
" now everybody want a touch" so true!
Deejea Nestleroad not everyone 🙄 be real
pink rain we’ll obviously not everyone gawd
Within that community she meant.
Stop with the lies Adrienne. Most Latinos are not proud that they have black roots in their family. Most hate to admit they are Afro-latino
Go tell a Dominican they are black see if they don't fight you
10% isn’t afro-latino, she is lore white latino than she is black latino in her DNA.
@@guy11boyyahooo FACT
I have a dear friend who is Mexican-American. Her results say she is of 9% African descent. She acted like she didn’t understand the results. Lol. I’m also Mexican-American.
Thr 33 just like the issue we black Americans endure
okay, so... Can Yvette be added to the panel permanently? She is such a refreshing addition!
Oh she's not!? She's amazing, she absolutely needs to be
I understand you A, we are very mixed but we should not claim black.( Only if you are afro-latino of course) we do not have the same struggles as they do, if you do not know what it's like to walk the shoes of a black women. It can be taken very offensive. Correct me if I'm wrong ladies/gents ?
I am afraid to watch this clip...Adrienne identifies as a black woman now?
Yes very true!
@yo soy caribeña Thank you. I just watched the clip, I think Adrienne means well but no sis lol I think Yvette was trying to gently "inform" Adrienne, like it's cool that you have SOME African ancestry, you are not ashamed and you consider yourself an ally to Black Americans HOWEVER they are very specific and systemic things that have and continues to happen to Black Americans in this country starting with 300 years of slavery.
I think she made a point that while she is not very open to calling herself black (race), based on her upbringing (Lower eastside NY), people have criticised her for acting black (culture) without being black (race) and she says it's just her upbringing.
Agree
“I’m 10% British” 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Yeah. WTF was that all about? LOL
Gavin Scott she actually is 10% British! Watch the videos where the ladies track their DNA/ancestry
@@karina-sm1qi I thought the percentages are broken down by phenotype and not necessarily origin. So is her 10% comprised of black or white British?
@R M that's a nice story
Some ppl can't relate
A lot of ppl it is slave owners
Some ppl it's not
Yeah... um..... Adrienne should just go ahead and sign up for that class.
Rudeee😭😭😭😭😭
Adrienne talking about her 10% African 🙄
LadyChaos101 7% lol
Right lol
That's a pretty significant percentage. The higher the percentage, the more recent the ancestor. So her family was originally African with a percentage like that, but intermixed very recently.
Phae her European side is way more significant lol.
Bina who is y’all???
Hispanics like Adrienne will TURN OFF “I’m proud to half black” when it’s necessary.
V L the funny thing is even before their test results... Adrienne has always talked about and has been very honest and tanking up for what she believes in when it comes to the black community and etc
I was JUST gonna comment this.
Lmao cause black people don’t wanna see latinos claim black. Y’all question motherfuckers when they say Afro latino
She's only 7% African. lmfao
@@volcrazy89 Yeah she is only 7% African but she still is . It’s still there
the term is Afro latina and Adrienne is not one.
Noemi Cordova Adrienne is mixed race like many Latinos. And she does have Afro-Latino roots, but it doesn’t matter cause she doesn’t identify as Afro-Latina anyways.
@@trymvanhatalo6831 Well said, she doesn't identify as such but is a mix of races. 👏
Noemi Cordova right, if anything she’s a white Latina or mestiza at MAX.
Prizzilla Shes a mixed Latina shes only 50% white
@@reinaguzman9030 She's 60% white. And only like 7% African. Being 7% black doesn't make you "afro-" anything. She's around 25% Indigenous, I believe. She's mixed but she's most definitely white-passing. That remark YNB said about "I can tell you have African heritage" is completely blowing smoke up Adrienne's ass. You can't tell she has any African heritage whatsoever.
Jeannie is always on the money. So well educated and diverse in culture and thought. Just love her so much.
San Jose is all Mexican lol
I’m confused how
Adrienne didn’t even know she had ‘african’ in her until THIS SHOW. But now she always knew🙄 okay
VannahBeauty04 maybe she really didn’t know I didn’t know I had Irish heritage
VannahBeauty04 This is exactly the problem. They claim it when it suits them.
@@kemery22222That's why Loni had that smirk on her face. She asked that question to Adrienne for a reason.
I think she is saying that she grew up with partially black parents so that makes her have blackness (aware of black struggles etc) but that’s just my interpretation.
VannahBeauty04, a couple of Seasons ago, all the ladies took an Ancestry DNA test. That’s how she found out her percentage.
I’m black & I’m beyond proud !!!! Periodt.
Ashley B Same. You couldn’t pay me to be anything but black. ✊🏾👸🏾
ThatFlightAttendantChick Excatly ✊🏾
I’m Nigerian 🇳🇬and proud to be❤️
Make sure you and your family vote Saturday
You mean born In Nigerian cause Nigerian is not a race
My brother!
@@kenyabradley4174 we are Nigerians. period!
Kenya Bradley She never said that.
I really wish Tamera was here for this conversation. I would love to hear her perspective on this subject.
Well I'm 100% Ghanaian and I'm proud of that...Amen!!! Hehehe🇬🇭🇬🇭
Ayyeee same over here! 🇬🇭🇬🇭
@@amathegr8301 well Saturday borns in the house!!!!...I'm Ama too😘
BLACK people are some thing else 10 % British they wanna be anything other than what they are African !!!!!
@@guy11boyyahooo she's 10% British, it is what it is.
@@janepatton8100 explain how some one is 10 percent British
Jeanie is so right about the BAY area. I grew up with so much diversity! It was so beautiful 💖💖💖 My bestfriends growing were, Cambodian, Puerto Rican, Philippinno ect. So fabulous. That has shaped me to be the woman I am!
Adrienne you are definitely invited to the cookout. You are more passionate about issues that black people face than a lot of black people themselves. It's awesome to see you embrace your African heritage and you Hispanic culture
Agreed
Tia J yeah and u know her so well don’t you 🙄
Lmao Jeanie "And mine happen to be a certain race". Girl, when have your MCM not been black? Someone please find it. Maybe I missed one lol
She has had multiple non-black MCM's. People just choose to focus on her preference for black men.
Yes you've missed it. She picked Christian Bale and Tom Ford once! 😂😂😂ruclips.net/video/7gJj3N7oU9o/видео.html
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But I get your point it's mostly Black dudes. I'm here for it! 😂😂
Khandi she had like 4 lol
@Simone Green *Common is half-white. Let it be known!!*
Book Bag she had other mcm’s lol
Adrienne's point about White Hispanic and Black Hispanic was very good. It's all a construct to keep us divided.
The world is not gonna look like that, they need to stop saying that, America maybe, but the world, it's not happening
Not unless millions more non white immigrants moved into those European countries.
actually it is many multiracial and global cosmopolitan places
Mandy Oh I’m not American I’m from Singapore talking about my own country lol and my network of international friends
Being mixed is such a beautiful thing. I'm absolutely proud of who I am 🙏 I hope everyone here is as well
I don't fault Adrienne because she said before speaking that she may need to go to a race class. And that she does lol! Latinos are made up of different things but most are mixed with white, black, or original Indian which we call Native Americans. Adrienne though has said she has mostly white in her heritage so boo you would be a white Latina, not Afro Latina sorry. Culturally she hung around black people but so did Eminem and he's still white at the end of the day. You still don't know what it's like being black so you can't just up and claim it because you have a small percentage in your blood. However for mixed people with 50% black in them they can say they are black like Tamera. But for the ones that pass for white it's their responsibility to acknowledge that I am black however I know I didn't have the same black experience as people that look more visibly black because I can pass for just white.
Your response is 100% on point. Also, what was that comment she referred to that people say she “talks black?’ What is talking black exactly which is what she needed to follow up with after she made that comment. In addition being from New York doesn’t make you speak a certain type of way as there. Yes there are accents as there are in many cultures around the world but talking black? Do black people in England talk black?
Omg and that Eminem example had me dying by its soooo true.
@@mizza9595 Exactly all black people don't speak the same! That's a stereotype, it's also a stereotype that all black women have an attitude which is what the guest host said in another clip. I guess she meant typical "hood talk" that people associate with talking black, which is why people are so shocked when someone black, intelligent and well spoken comes from the hood. Everybody isn't the same.
Love XOXO and you know what’s beyond ignorant? All this “hood talk” and “ghetto talk” that many people refer to - - comes in all colors, shapes and sizes. NOT JUST BLACK! Sorry just had to get that out too.
@@mizza9595 Yes!! It's very ignorant
That was a great point but I think some people seem to forget that others are going by the one drop rule when they claim they are black and are less than 50% and do not visibly get perceived as that race.
They want a touch when it’s the fun part ! When it’s the struggle they want to pass for anything but African !
I honestly thought Adrienne was going in the latina /white direction, not latina / black.... 7% seriously A😂
TheMusicalFeeling she and Jlo wanna tick the same box as Amara and Laz😂
@SoRaya yet she is 7% clearly her mum isn't then
My grandma says everybody wants our jazz and nobody wants our blues. Be down for the Brown and not just the label.
Harris went to Howard. She pledged Divine 9. She is way to deep into our culture and roots to be "not black enough"
Non-black people love to find out they have black in them because ultimately they feel it gives them access and ownership to our culture without actually dealing with the issues and problems that plague our community.....Dear Adrienne you are not black! With the Gucci topic you didnt say a word, because we all know you would not boycot Gucci or get rid of your Gucci products. In that case your luxury as a non black person is more important for you than being 7% "African".....
Fartuun Loeft ooh you just hit the nail on the head 👏🏽
dear YOU, she didn’t say she was black.. what’s wrong w y’all? everyone doesn’t want to be black, not even a little
accept it
Fartuun Loeft ooo you went there😳😳😅
Tia J my ppl are TOO damn sensitive. you mean like how some of our ppl say im puerto rican & Indian? talking bout im Cherokee 😂 bc they know no other tribe. everyone doesn’t want to be black, some are happy to be non black. I know there’s a few that do, just like some from our community want to be less to non black 🤦🏽♀️
one thing for sure, they are mad if you do acknowledge the little to big blackness that resides in you & they are mad if you don’t acknowledge it
you can’t have it all ways. pick
Tia J I know what she is and it doesn’t bother me either way how she identifies. That’s on her. Does it bother you that much that she says she is? It has nothing to do w any of us
When I was growing up in NYC PROJECT YES! Blacks & Latinos went through the SAME struggle!!! We were all looked down on from the outside world. Ppl NON blacktino. Period! This era may be different but yes, and that is why I love and see us as ONE!
being bi-racial (black and white) I have never been white enough for white people or black enough for black people. My complexion is on the fair side but I have features that I get from my black side. But whenever I was younger I would tell people I was mixed and they wouldn't believe me. It sucks because I have always been proud to be mixed. I never once said I was white or black...I say I'm mixed because that's what I am. I hate that people used to deny my race because I didn't fit their typical image of what a mixed person looks like (darker skin).
Yoooo people thought I was you!! I'm black, Panamanian, and Cherokee and literally if I didnt say anything they thought I was black and white and then when I said no they were like more interested but then I'd say I'm Panamanian and they were almost mad at me. It was like I was kicked out of a race I didnt even have to then be kicked out a race I'm really apart of. The irony of it all.. you're not alone.
Exactly
Same here!
Cameron Andrews sorry to hear that. My Niece’s are able to pass as white but are very proud of being g black but get questioned about it. You would think in this day and age people should be over that.
@@michelleelmore5533 you would think today biracial people stop saying they black when they clearly mixed.
I'm 100 percent human and happy to be so. As we all are HUMAN. Period.
Adrienne you can't have 10% black and be like I'm black yall
Since when you pass a test with less than 50%? Girl what college you graduating with them grades?
yo soy caribeña she never looks black. Where is that coming from lol
yo soy caribeña this whole topic is a mess. This panel is a mess when it comes to talking about race
@Wafuana Chanel Everybody wants to be Black UNTIL it's TIME to BE BLACK!
eltina21 🤣 truth
Okay, Adrienne does need to take a class on race and at least she knows that. But she does not know the difference between race and ethnicity. Race is a social construct. It is not biologically sound. It was MADE UP. Race is about how you look. Skin color, hair texture, face shape, bone structure, eye color, etc. in addition to heritage.
So, it does not matter if you are 7% African, 6% Asian, 13% Native American blah blah blah. In Adrienne’s mind, it sounds like she doesn’t think the white Latino box on the census applies to her because she has 7 percent African DNA. But Race does not work that way, it’s not a biological reality. It has nothing to do with what percentage of what ethnicity you are. It’s about how you look. And honestly, that number is not significant so I don’t know why she’s wrestling with this. She had a higher percentage of Asian Ancestry but never talks about that. And Loni is more European than Adrienne is African, does that mean she’s mixed race? No. Loni’s ETHNICITY would be British, Nigerian, Senegalese, etc. Her RACE is black. Adrienne’s race is not black. Being African is just a part of her ethnicity.
Thank you, someone, who understands. I'm tired of seeing people in the comments or in real life confuse Race, Ethnicity, and Nationality it's so draining and it's not that hard to understand. And black people who don't know any better love to claim people with 20% and below because they hang on to that one drop rule.
It's pretty simple. Race = DNA, genetics, phenotype, and in most cases simply based on skin color (e.g. Black = African, Caucasian = European, etc.). Ethnicity = culture, music, dance, language, customs and behavioral practices, dress/attire, family customs and socialization, religion, political worldview, etc. BONUS: Nationality = citizenship tied to a specific country.
Mandy Oh No. You can embrace all of your ancestry but you can only identify with that which applies to you. Blackness does not apply to Adrienne. It’s a part of her ethnic background, not her race. You can’t just choose your race. You can’t just decide to identify with a race that you aren’t. And DNA has nothing to do with that. Whether she wants to be or not, Adrienne is not black. Having African DNA doesn’t make you black, race is not a biological concept, it is a social one.
Also, I don’t really want to get all into this because it’ll take too long. But I find it REALLY hard to believe that Adrienne’s identity is authentically dependent on recognizing her “blackness”. She didn’t even know she had African ancestry until a couple of years ago, and identifying with blackness goes beyond partaking in black culture. Blackness is MORE than just relating to black music, speaking black slang, having black friends, etc. I just don’t believe that Adrienne is emotionally invested in blackness in any way that’s organic or significant, because Adrienne is NOT black, she just isn’t, and the “superficial” aspects of our culture is not the extent of our experience, nor does it even begin to define our ethnic identities. So it doesn’t matter how familiar she is with black culture or black people for that matter, she does not have the experience of a black woman let alone a black person and she doesn’t understand what it means/how it feels to be black.
@Mandy Oh To your question - "Would you call a dark skin Indian or Middle Eastern person black?" My response = Absolutely...dark/darker skin Indian or Middle Eastern persons are Black and are of African descent (by race) and with a DNA mix from other races. They're Black and Arab/or Indian...or simply Black Arab, thus denoting both Black race and Arab/Indian ethnicity. These same folk, however, may refer to themselves by some other identity. That's all well and good, but it's generally very easy to identify anyone of African descent. If in doubt, just ask. People have the right to self-identify race and ethnicity. It's difficult to deny African heritage if everyone else is looking directly at skin tone/color, but (as always) there are exceptions.
By the way, the reason dark-skin Arabs are in the region in the first place is mostly due to being descendants of former slaves a la the Trans-Saharan Slave Trade. Anyone not descended from the slave trade are mostly immigrants from African countries.
Mandy Oh The black experience is multidimensional, but I’m not sure that that causes a struggle to empathize with each other. For the most part, I think it’s the opposite, because I think our consciousness of race and blackness is fundamentally the same, regardless of how identical our life events are. Though I also understand that there are elements of the experience of black people in other countries that everyone can’t identify with. One example I can think of is that black people in the US and the Caribbean, and Latin Americans have an erased ethnic identity due to the slave trade. This is a unique aspect of the black experience that black people say in the UK or in an African country may not relate to.
And I don’t know why black is mostly used for African-Americans, but I can tell you that race is an American invention and I guess people just never expanded the term, so that probably has something to do with it. My guess on why that is goes back to the erased ethnic identity problem. Black people from other countries tend to know what country they originate from. If they’re from Nigeria, they’re Nigerian. If they’re from Ghana, They’re Ghanaian. Even black people in the Caribbean have their own countries at this point. Black Americans don’t know where they came from, so unfortunately their race is more significant than their ethnicity, because they were robbed of their ties to it. So they just call themselves black. African-American is usually only used in formal settings or official documents and a lot of people don’t even like calling themselves that because hyphenated racial terms are usually only used for immigrants. But anyways, if I had to guess, that’s probably why.
And finally, I think the black experience is all encompassing. That doesn’t mean everyone has the same experiences, but rather that the system of black oppression is consistent, irrespective of how it’s manifested. And if the all encompassing definition is too broad or too narrow to service you, you just have to customize your activism. I don’t think it’s difficult. I just think you need a separate conversation. A separate movement. A sub-movement within the bigger one. This reminds me of the 60s, where in America, black people in the north and south were fighting two different forms of racism. The system was the same, the consequences were different. So they had to have different strategies and platforms to fight it. And I don’t think this applies to all melanated people either. All melanated people aren’t black, and being a person of color and being a black person are two different things. Being Caribbean or being African doesn’t indicate race either. There probably won’t be any single discussion that could possibly comprehensively explain the complexities of everyone’s black experience (in a way that’s helpful). You gotta do that separately.
I love how this segment comments on “Black People” vs “Blackness.” There is most definitely a difference.
Also personally, I think it’s amazing that Adrienne takes pride in the African she has in her! I think it is all about taking pride in what you are. I would see it as an issue if an individual claimed to be something just because it is convenient for them. There is nothing wrong with acknowledging your roots, and taking pride in it. I say this as a girl w both black and hispanic roots! ❤️
Bay Area is so DIVERSE!
Im Nigerian, and I live in Silicon Valley now, Jeannie is right that there is diversity in races dating but not as many black and white couples as you see on tv. There is definitely a lot of back lash I have personally received from black men, literally yelling/cursing at us in the streets, because I'm with a white man. So yes Jeannie this is definitely a problem but she's so intelligent so I'm very glad she is mentioning it.
Please let's not all forget how much Loni made fun of Tamera being with a white man, and now Loni is with one, this is a great lesson to the haters who don't want to see black and white people together
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Scofields1828 Black men shouldn’t have anything to say when a black woman dates outside of the race. Nothing.
@@thatflightattendantchick1903 And the same goes for you all. Keep your mouth Shut!
I'm glad Americans have reached a bipartisan agreement that skin color is the most important thing about a person.
I can totally relate to what Adrienne had to say 👏👏👏👏
Me tooo people always have tried to take away my "latina card, black card, and native american card" I dont understand just from differences. Smh
Because your ignorant 😁
There’s race, color, social class and economics etc. that plays a HUGE part in all of these opinions on what’s right and what’s wrong. BLUF is we’re equal!
Oh wow, this beautiful black doll in the audience @1:51 (mustard blouse and red skirt)😍😍
I never dealt with so many questions about my race till I came to university in America. My mother is East Indian and my father is Russian . I’ve heard everything under the sun and constantly people telling me their opinions on what they think or thought I am.
No black agenda no black vote #tangibles2020 #ados
A person that was raised Latina proud to have even a fraction of African heritage in her while black people are run from our own heritage.
Honestly, even when I was younger watching Cheetah girls I considered Adrienne to be black lol I knew she wasn't 100% black but I could just tell that she had some in her.
I always thought she was Black when she was in 3LW! And honestly even in some clips of the real I'm like, "Adrienne low key look Black in this one" lmao
She has only like 7% percent in her. Her "exotic" look comes from her 28% native american and spanish heritage.
@@ivy456 you know Spanish is just...white, right? Also, Black genes are REALLY strong.
She’s only 7% African lol she’s mostly European ..
T Knight exactly !!! Lol like is she serious !????i took one of these dumb ancestry test and I’m like 7% Irish, and I don’t go around telling people I’m freaking Irish
The US needs to put mestizo on the census. It's insane that English speakers don't have that category. So many people in Latin America identify that way. A lot of us are a mix!
The problem with the conversations of race is that race is a social construct. Race isn’t really real, genetically speaking. Race, ethnicity and culture are completely different things, but we often talk about them interchangeably. With black American people, who’s family has been in America for generations, most of the time the race they identify with matches their culture, but sometimes this isn’t the case and that’s when it becomes confusing like what Adrienne said. If Adrienne with her exact genetic composition was raised by two African American (culture) people , who’s family have been in America for centuries (ethnicity) then she would probably consider herself black (race). But she was raised by latino people (culture) , who’s (ethnicity)is from Puerto Rico, but she looks racially ambiguous (since there is no such thing as a Latino or Puerto Rican race). So technically she can choose what race she identifies with. She can be Afro Latina or white Latina or mixed race. For example if Amara La Negra says she’s black, no one would questions it because her outward appearance looks more typical to the black race, but she’s a Latina (culture) with Dominican (ethnicity). Society basically chooses your race for you. Think about it, there are people who look less racially black than Adrienne but are more culturally African American. We need to makes distinctions between culture, ethnicity and race when we have these discussions.
Thank you! I'm getting tired of these confused I'll informed conversations. Not only is American understanding of the race construct a mess, but then you have people watching this from all over the world bringing even more confusion to the conversation online. 🤦🏽
@A. T. What are you even talking about? She used Adriennes Puerto Rican identity as an example what she is saying is universal. Race IS a construct. Also, even though Puerto Rico is a colony of the US, that has nothing to do with Puerto Ricans being its own separate culture and ethnicity. The thing that Adrienne forgets to mention most of the time is that she is Nuyorican. She's not from PR. Nuyoricans have their own culture that is not really Puerto Rican. It's a mix of NY culture with Puerto Rican customs. Many Nuyoricans don't speak Spanish. But that has nothing to do with PR where most people do not speak english and have a much more distinct latin American culture.
A. T. Thank you. This is why we need to have these conversations. Race, ethnicity and culture are so fluid, they are had to define.
Ashley Shautice Thank you for the comment. I’ve never heard the term Nuyorican. This is why we need to have these conversations. Culture, race and ethnic identity are so nuanced
Stooopppp!! People choose that black identity when it only suits them. On other days it is repulsive to even think of claiming or associating with it.
Im really confused by what Adrienne's saying. I just watched their DNA video and she was more middle eastern, native American and Irish than black but she isn't claiming any of those. It seems a little like she claims the 7% just bc it's "cooler" to her than the others. She also said she "talks black" what even is that. I don't think you should claim to be a race just because you've always had friends from that race. You haven't struggled as a black woman so you shouldn't try and thrive as one if you aren't one! 🤷🏻♀️
I am white, indian, black, Portuguese and chinese.. and I love PEOPLE AND RESPECT THEIR CULTURE AND HERITAGE... ALL PEOPLE ....PERIOD
Adrienne I love you but there is a difference between race and ethnicity. They need to put someone on here that really understands these logistics to explain to the hosts and audience. All the hosts have such big open hearts but they can’t talk about these issues intelligently if they don’t even understand them.
i agree but she said herself she needs to take a college class
thank u next she can take a college class. Or they can all just google the information lol save some change
It's pretty simple. Race = DNA, genetics, phenotype, and in most cases simply based on skin color (e.g. Black = African, Caucasian = European, etc.). Ethnicity = culture, music, dance, language, customs and behavioral practices, dress/attire, family customs and socialization, religion, political worldview, etc. BONUS: Nationality = citizenship tied to a specific country.
Her name is Amanda Seales. Y'all didn't like her 🤣🤣
Its not about race, its about culture!!
It's quite obvious that Jeannie doesn't like her own kind, she has probably never dated someone Asian but she probably doesn't fancy them either!!!
Really? I don't think I've ever heard her speak poorly of her own family, which are Asian... besides it really does come down to compatibility, and we don't past relationships.
Joanna Herodotou When you grow up in a diverse environment it’s normal to be drawn to different people.
I’ve seen that for many Asian women though
There's a strong and clear difference between her having a preference while dating and "not liking her own kind". With that kind of statement, you are implying she does not like who she is or where she comes from. Jeanie having one or few black boyfriends doesn't define the individual that she is. What about her roots, the culture she grew up around, having immigrant parents, etc.? Aren't those bigger contributors to who you are as an individual than the men you choose to date? Are you defined by the men you date, Joanna? So quite frankly, you need to stop spewing out ignorant ass remarks just to have an opinion. I implore you to think more critically when commenting on someone's life/character, especially in the context of race and identity.
That's true, however, most people may try to date their own kind at least once but she has never mentioned once that she dated one, even Loni dated someone Chinese once, she said that. @@joannasaadati8810
Yeahhh Loni, be proud of your 10% british... represent
Latinos/Hispanics are mixed AF. I haven't taken a DNA test but when I was younger I would look at the question "what race are you?" on paper. I would put white and then it would ask me ethnicity and I would say Latino/Hispanic. Though all I know thus far from my heritage is that some of my family migrated to Central America from Spain. But if you were someone like Amara la negra, or Dominican...would you put Race black and Ethnicity- Hispanic/Latino? That's what I would assume. What about someone mixed? Black and White? Anyways very interesting to learn about race and mixed people, it's beautiful
It's confusing in the US/English. There is no mestizo option and it forces people to change their racial identification when they move to the US because there are only two options in the minds of Americans: white or black.
race is physical.
ethnicity is cultural.
nationality is geographical.
As a Brit, I don't actually understand the difference between Latinx and Hispanic, please can someone explain
JazzyWazzy originally latinx are people who originate from Latin America. Hispanic are people who originate from countries that speak the Spanish language.
Example: Brazil is a Latin country because the native language is Portuguese.
Brit Ferguson Latin America ?? Still confused lol 😂
Brianda G Latin America is primarily South America. So think Peru, the Dominican Republic, Venezuela...
Some of these countries native language is Spanish so people from there would be consider Hispanic - latinx
Hispanic is a term that was invented by the U.S. government to put down on the U.S. census. It defines that one is Hispanic if the speak the Spanish Language.
Latino is what someone identifies as if they originate from a Latin American country (think Mexico and down) also Latin America and South America are different. South America is inside of Latin America because there are still Latin American countries in North America (Mexico) and in Central America (Guatemala, El Salvador etc.) as well as the Caribbean countries (ex. Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic, Cuba)
Someone can be both Latino and Hispanic, or just Latino but not Hispanic (ex. Brazilians) or Hispanic but not Latino (ex. Spaniards)
Latinx is a term that was recently coined by the younger Latinx generation. It adds the x at the end of Latino because it is meant to represent those who identify as Latino but are non-binary or are a part of the LGBT community and wish not to use the masculine form Latino, which in Spanish technically covers both men and women.
I would say most Latinos/Latinx identify as such and are not using Hispanic as much anymore because it was a word that was invented by the government to claim us on a piece of paper. Latin people outside of the U.S. don't use Hispanic either, they identify as whatever their nationality is and as Latino.
Hope this helps! : )
Forgot to add that you don't have to be LGBTQ to identify as Latinx, Latinx encompasses everyone. : )
She will be VP soon!
So I looked back at the old clips when they got their DNA test, Adrienne is 7% African but in this clip she just said her mother is 47% African, so wouldn't Adrienne have more African DNA? I'm so confused...
@@deedee19951000 No that's a myth amongst black Americans because of the one drop rule system and how during slavery if your father is a slave you're a slave. But in reality, every human has 46 chromosomes; 23 from your mother, 23 from your father. You do not get more DNA from your father.
@@deedee19951000 That's so incorrect my dear lol. How do you people not know that's wrong. Think with your brain! Do you really think that's true???? Sahara Seka broke it down for you. 23 chromosomes from your mother and 23 chromosomes from your be father. So if Adrienne's mom truly had 47% African DNA, Adrienne would have more than 7% show up in her DNA.
I would LOVE the chance to explain WHY they’re getting shade
I can't with Adrienne. 7% is no where near enough to claim black. 'You're cancer has a 7% chance of coming back' 'you have a 7% chance of passing this class'. You would drop that 7% any moment for a job opportunity or to get out of a parking ticket. I can't speak on Latino people because that isn't a massive section of Britain like it is in America and I'm sure that label has given Adrienne lots of experiences but I don't think you can claim black. Growing up around black people does not make you black. You have just absorbed some of the culture. You've been influenced by black culture. You need to explore your true heritage and be proud of that. Be the best ally to people of colour you can but don't ride their experience carrying your 7%
When will RIGHT or WRONG....NOT be associated with RACE, CREED, COLOR AND OR POLITICAL PARTY AFFILIATION or FINANCIAL STATUS? Everybody wants to be right, but not Correct.
STOP BELITTLING ADRIENNE! My college professor explained what race, ethnicity, and nationality differ and it is EXTREMELY complicated! Mostly because it’s man-made. Only people create a stigma or significance on it and outside of options it does not exist.
So true, when signing documents to define who we are, I'm not Latina nor Hispanic, I'm Mexican and it doesn't appear on papers
@R M Hispanics are European, Latinos are from South America and Mexico is in Central America ... a different meaning from Caribbean countries
Ahhhhhh. Sometimes I wish we could be there in real time to clear a lot of this up. A lot of us study this stuff.... I identify as Afro-Chicana and I study Afro/Afro-American Studies and Chicanx Studies... I so wanted to talk to A. Girl hmu lol, let's chat.
I feel in general Americans focus so much on race. I know it’s because of the sad history but really it’s time to just be the human race. Be what you are, be proud and let others be proud of what they are.
I would consider Adrienne to be mestizo (multi -racial) which is the case of many Latinx people. The dna test episode which we’ve all seen, Adrienne was the most mixed. She had European, indigenous, African, and I think something else, but there was only 7% African and I believe that was one of her lowest percentages. I think it’s perfectly fine to identify yourself as biracial or multiracial if you don’t phenotypically fit into one category. So her race would be multiracial but her ethnicity would be latinx/Hispanic (correct me if I’m wrong, I think Hispanic may actually refer to the culture and Latin is just for ppl living in South America, Central America and the Caribbean.) Now Amara la Negra on the other hand is a very obvious Afro Latina. I wouldn’t consider Adrienne an Afro Latina. Just my 2 cents.
Agreed. She's mestiza. Though in English "mixed" and "multiracial" don't have the same cultural cohesion that "mestizo" has in Spanish. Mestizo is a very specific type of mixing and is basically a creole culture. So many people in Latin America identify as mestizo, and have for so many generations, it's become its own thing--not African, not Black, not European, not white, not indigenous.
She got pretty passionate in this clip. I was gonna say the same thing to me she just looks like a typical Hispanic white and native American.
Cares too much I'm Gujrati and Telugu clever people know what it is if anyone asks I'm white the thought of taking any of it serious is absurd.
Can still feel the passion and the ancestors chanting.
We all have one heritage in common, and that's being American. The idea that you have to love or be proud of some country because your ancestors lived there is ridiculous.
Adrienne never mentions her Ecuadorian roots
she is half white and half chola....be proud A!
I understand what Ade is saying. It is confusing in the States.
For me I don’t want to make someone feel less than or question them on what makes them “ them “ if somebody is black , I’m not gonna ask “ well do you ... like most black people “ here’s something special about being black or any race at that , we have different facets and attributes that make us extremely unique yet cohesive , we don’t have to be the same but we can even learn things from each other regardless of how we were raised or what ways we look like ! And can still be “ brothas “ and “ sistas “ because we as a community have the moral duty to stick together no matter the circumstance
All these labels America!
Most of the people questioning this are probably African Americans who hasn't been out the country and don't understand culture.
We should just judge RACE based on looks at this point.... because lets face it, that's how the public will discriminate against certain people... whether they LOOK like a specific race.
Adrienne did say as a "black woman" so what is she talking about?
I think A hit the nail on the head: you should vote for someone based on their policies, not their race. Oh wait, I forgot... #ThisIsAmerica
I love Yvette!!!
I completely understand Adrienne's point of view! Honestly, I think a lot of Afro-Latins, Hispanics, and even Black Americans struggle with race and culture. For African Americans, especially, we are technically, a very mixed race that displays more of our African ancestors more than anything. Most African Americans in this country are 20-40 percent white and/or other, besides African American. But we were forced to stick to one identity, Black, which I truly love. But it does raise a lot of questions when regarding race, cultural identity and more amongst a lot of us. But every black woman's journey is different. For her, she is just discovering her ancestral history, which a lot of people are doing right now.
KEEP YVETTE!!!!
PLEASE
BRING TAMERA AND KEEP YVETTE
SHE DESERVES THIS GOOD STEADY CHEQUE!!
Kamala Harris is black, but why does she not also acknowledge her Indian heritage?
Why do ppl keep saying the world is gonna be mixed by 2050. There a whole continent of black folk that don’t seem to be mixing and most likely will not ever completely mixed because we hold our culture so high and not many white/non African ppl seem to be down. Our elders don’t trust other races and our female elders are very critical when it come to marriage. We don’t divorce. If you do that is so rare. Marriage is not a game for us as it seems to be for white and black Americans, and having children out of wedlock is not an option. There spiritual ties that run very deep. I don’t think it’s gonna happen for Africans. Especially if the economy gets better.
Everyone else is "concerned" - you know...fear of a Black planet.
This comment was really insightful. Thanks for sharing ur thoughts! I learned something new.
Shout out to California beautiful people much love ❤️
I see alot of women on here attacking Adrienne for some reason. I cannot understand why. Black people are always mad when latinx people deny their African heritage but when we finally have someone who embraces it (and it's pretty evident that Adrienne always has), we want to denounce her and say she's just trying to use it to her advantage? WTF?
There's so so so much to unpack here. We need to do better at understanding global blackness. African Americans have a very limited understanding of how blackness shows up world wide. And many AAs loveee deciding who is or isnt black based on looks, culture, and/or upbringing. We NEED to talk about this.
Adrienne - I see where your confusion is, hun. If you take a college class on race, here's what you will learn: Race is a social construct. There's no scientific basis for it. This is why you're confused; race is made up. Even if you look at the census throughout US history, you'll see different races being added and taken away based on the time period => social and political context. We'll probably in our lifetime see changes on the census regarding Latinos and Middle Eastern/Arab people, seeing as how these populations have grown, their places in American society have changed over the last few decades, and the dialogue surrounding these groups has changed.
I am a Black woman. I have two Black parents, pretty dark skin, afro hair, full lips, broad nose. I am 100% read as a Black woman in America. When I traveled in Martinique (caribbean island with a wildly diverse Black population) and I said I was Black, they told me "you're not that black, your skin is kindof light." They had a completely different conception of race because of their own societal and cultural history, and there's no way to really dispute that because that's the only real basis for race - societal understanding. Similarly, I've had light skinned Black friends that traveled to Africa and were told by Africans that they're white, but by no means would they be considered white in America. Just continue to be proud of your culture, and continue to fight against injustices that people of color, and especially Black people, face in this country.
While it's fair to look critically at Senator Harris's record on black people were also have to support her right to run. Being President as a minority is tough(Obama) So we're need to support those in our community who do get the chance to reach that level. What's more important is how we hold them accountable afterwards. We'll have the luxury to be picky when even more people can run w/o races being a big barrier.
Adrianne you’re only 7% African, are you confused alit ?? You are 60% European and 30% native ... Just stop ✋ you ain’t black !!!! I’m 7% Irish and I don’t go around telling people im Irish ...
@ProudMommy: SoRaya😍 she lied, because her test states she’s only 7% .. So her mom is def not 47% African..Her mom is only 14%
Love is love and thats it! My eldest son asked me one day what would I say if he dated out of our race.. And honesty i just looked at him and said what outside of the human race!?
Adrienne is both so she can say she’s both
D'Erra Benard she just said she is and she’s said it multiple times
@@damongibson6284 she's 7% African. That's very insignificant
I only like good nice people! They can be any colors!
All Latinos, and specially if you have some Caribbean in you have African roots in them (even if they deny it!). Now, Adrienne has mentioned before that her background is made up of Puerto Rican and Ecuadorian parents, for those of you who don't know Ecuador is in South America. I like her but it gets very annoying that she is always mentioning that she is Puerto Rican and now she is always mentioning that she is black and she forgot about the Ecuadorian background? or is just not that popular to mention that you are Ecuadorian every day!!!
Adrienne might still have issues with her biological father because it was alleged, without her giving all details that he was verbal and physical abusive.
Like she said she considers herself LATINA not black. 10% British oh lawd there she go. I guess her man British too.
You never see white people talk bad about somebody dating outside of their race we only do that...how interesting. This was a really good topic! People need to stop telling somebody where they belong especially when you’re not in that cultural group.
BritBrit Nicole lies
madmann1000 what?
T Knight who’s calling Loni or Tamera a bedwench black people nobody white is saying that goodbye!
That's a lie lol
That's not true sis
On my sons lunch application I could only choose white or black....hes mixed with mainly German and African American,I was heated
Jeannie looks older with this hair
Sadly Kamala doesn't talk much about her Indian heritage
The problem is it’s “cool” to be proud to be anything other than white.
If I say I’m proud to be white, I’m considered racist.
I think people just look at the history of white people and feel like why would you be proud of that. Otherwise hey it's what you are and you can't change it, just make sure you are not like your racist ancestors.
I don't think it's fair for you to be called racist because of that, that's not even related .. having said that, I think that sentiment may be there because people with historically marginalized identities now have the ability to reclaim those identities without the same repercussions as in the past, that's what proudness denotes, a struggle that has been overcome, so saying they're proud to be black or latina or native american or whatever is a tribute to that struggle. Whereas saying you're proud of being white might be misrepresented as racism because people would question, what would a group that has been the majority & benefitted from the oppression of others have to be proud of the basis of their race if not for the downfall of other groups? That's how it's perceived, regardless of what you intended, that being proud of blackness & being proud of whiteness don't carry the same weight because of the different histories associated with those racial groups. It's all about context, in this case I think people are more attuned to the bigger context, as an individual you could be proud of your family history or whatever you intend to be proud of, but when you make race the defining feature of your proudness, the historical context of your racial group will be pulled in as well.
Love XOXO look at the history of ANY and you will see evil and good. I love being white and having blonde hair. Doesn’t mean I think any less. All colours skin hair is beautiful. 🤷♀️ don’t let the victim card holders make you feel bad
Love XOXO also sweetie I’m VERY proud of my white Scottish history. We are warriors and fought for our freedom ✊🏻
Love XOXO black slaves were owned by black slave owners before they were owned by white slave owners. I’m not going to carry around guilt for something that my race did such a long time ago. I don’t come from a wealthy background so I doubt any of my actual relatives owned slaves.
You seem to forget, white people are also the ones who FREED the slaves by fighting in wars, risking their own lives. That’s something to be proud of.
On a more important note: WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO MAKE HEALTH CARE FREE/MORE AFFORDABLE IN THIS COUNTRY??!
Idk why Jeannie brought up the Bay Area
California is self hate capital
wut.
As an African, while am conversant with pop culture, I can't relate on a deep level with this cause we not used to having questions about what race you are or not. Its fascinating to see and read all this different dichotomy on race and ethnicity.
@R M true very true