Budget Streaming PC In 2022 | i3-4160 + GTX1650
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- I was a little disappointed when this Lenovo desktop included an i3-4160 instead of the i5-4570 I was expecting, but when I tested it out, it performed better than expected. How well can it handle streaming games though when paired with a modern GPU? Let's find out!
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:40 What this video is
1:20 The components
3:30 Upgrade time
5:45 How it performs
9:58 Upgrading to a quad core
10:35 Xeon results
12:21 Final Thoughts
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What I like most about your computer videos is that you're not presented as a computer expert that can do no wrong. As a matter of fact, it feels like you're learning things as you go along and presenting what knowledge you have to us, the audience.
That perspective is so relatable and is such a breath of fresh air in a tech space where everyone seems like an expert and always on top of the latest and greatest tech.
Keep doing the stuff you're doing, man. You've definitely captured the audience that you deserve.
well said.
I had an i3-2100 paired with a 750Ti 2GB and to be honest I didn't know how I streamed (Single-PC setup), recorded, edited and gamed in it. It ran some relatively new stuff, like Valorant, GTA5, the new TrackMania, and edited 720p60 videos no problem.
computer culture seems to just have a negative bias when it comes to hardware of any age
@@manitoba-op4jx it's unfortunate, several times I asked for advice to buy parts in a certain budget and was told to increase it 3-4 times to "avoid buying junk"
You where very lucky that your budget gpu had full nvenc support. Helps alot with streaming and rendering/encoding.
On that list gtaV seems to be the only resource hog and even at that. Would run well on a 750 ti. However no clue about nvenc at the same time.
@@manitoba-op4jx yup, Ive been discovering so much old tech that works just fine. A bunch of 2-6gen processors that do just fine if you buy the higher end tiers. PC culture is not built for the those who dont have “keep up with the jones” money.
Because you got nvenc
That Xeon was a surprising spec up. It made the PC pretty much sprint up from a slow jog.
And believe me. I know all about slow jogs.
Hahaha
Yeah it surprised me too
@@h-aandle why?
Those xeons are overclocking beasts.
The Lenovo think-station with a qaud core Xeon processor makes a great gaming PC convert and there not to expensive on eBay
Woke up this morning to a great surprise that your video dropped! I find it so cool what you can do with older hardware!
A great little "life hack" for stuff like this, that I've helped set up for a lot of people in-need with lower-spec stuff, is a dual-system setup. see, trying to game and stream on the same machine can absolutely eat through system resources, but what if the machine *only* livestreamed? Thanks to a $20USD or less USB capture device off of something like Amazon, even something like a quad core embedded Celeron can be turned into a little streaming rig, happily capturing footage while your low-spec PC happily games away, all the while neither one is being taxed trying to do both. This technique works really well, and I've been using setups like this for a variety of "micro-budget workstations" for people in need. Take a low-spec system, give them two of them, hook them together with cheap switchers and a capture card, and you're done. Simple. Effective. Largely-affordable. it doesn't work for everyone, but it can work for a lot of people. My main rig is a 780Ti system, but my streaming rig is a micro-PC with a quad-core 2Ghz Celeron, meant for watching Netflix, and yet with some tinkering in OBS I managed to get it to handle 1080p 60FPS playback without breaking a sweat, making it a great little capture setup. Highly recommend.
Dudes closing in on 30k, congrats! Really like your videos, especially because they look at older/lower powered components. I have a pretty good gaming pc, buts it's still super interesting to see what these parts can do, keep it up!
Thanks! And yeah there’s nothing wrong with new components. I have a fairly new PC as well for my main PC, but I older stuff is often just more fun haha
Was waiting for thus video,keep up the good content!
This channel is a gem
For office and home use, the i3-4160 still rocks today. The i3-4160 uses 57W. Add a 30W GPU for x265 and/or 4K video playback. With this set-up, the stock PSU is big enough. Remember to install a SSD for the OS and other programs. 8GB RAM is plenty fine.
Just came across your channel today as I was restoring an old lenovo with an i5 4590. Love your vids keep it up!
Thanks!
The I5-4570 and i7-4770 are still relatively powerful cpus that can unlock the 1650's potential
Its better and cheaper to buy a xeon e3 1240v3, it can be brought on aliexpress for about 25-30usd and its the same as using a 4790 but way cheaper
@@bf2142Fallensoulfunnily enough I spent the last 12 days looking for a xeon, I was convinced it was better but I live in a country where getting stuff from abroad isn't very easy so I had to look here and the xeon has a very small market share but an amazing deal if you manage to find one
@@xfxdedfade6387 try aliexpress, the package its really small, usually a paper envelope and since its less than 50usd customs does not need to approve it
I got a i5 4590
@@bf2142Fallensoul the issue is the motherboard, most xeons use rare and unconventional sockets
pretty awesome
thank you for the video
another good option upgrade for my old school 4460 and a h81 board
though i might need to do some research on compatibility, also on the bios update for the xeon to work well
Awesome content as usual . Hope all is well u and the baby..the xeons are really gems and take a basic dual core system to budget gaming rig...
Awesome video man! I just started with hardware and other types of things. And I just want to say thank you for all the video they really are encouraging. Also, I had some problems with cs:go and Msi Afterburner too. But it turn out cs:go doesn't like third party software. All you have to do to allow it is; go to steam > Right click cs:go > Click properties... > and at launch options type
"-allow_third_party_software". This seamed to do the trick for me and it might for you. Just letting you know if you ever plan on using cs:go as a benchmark method in any up coming videos
i love your videos keep it up
I have an i3-4160 system alot like this from Bytespeed. So it's good to see that it is still adequate for gaming in 2022.
Amazing video! I would like to see how well it handles photo editing.
i love you vids cant what for the next vid and 1 million subs
Amazing vid, this was very informative, as a matter of fact I'm crying over the Minecraft's Java version performance 😢
Finally new video!!
I'm honestly really impressed with how much of a difference the E3 1231 v3 makes compared to the i3 4160.
My cousin has a very similar machine, a Dell OptiPlex 3020 MT. it currently has: i3 4130, 12GB DDR3 1333MHz and Quadro 2000 (Underclocked GTS 450 with worse drivers), 120GB SSD and 500GB HDD. he by some miracle creates RUclips videos on it. He has to use lower settings in games though to achieve this. He plays in 1440x900 resolution usually.
I'm gonna suggest one of the 4C8T Xeons to him for his next upgrade. Cheap, but performs great.
In my home server, I have an E3 1230v2 (i7 3770) and 8GB ECC DDR3. The CPU performs great, it even out performs my main system in pretty much every workload (E5 2650v1). You won't be seeing me using a rackmount server as my main PC lol.
I really did enjoy watching this video, the production quality is just brilliant. I'm surprised that you only have 26.4K subscribers.
I was surprised as well!
Double the cores and double the threads, instead of an i5 that would double cores but not the threads
Valuable upgrade to your cousin PC should be 1600DDR3 RAM and a xeon, truee
This is a really nice budget build, im surprised how good this is
it impress me how old hardware can be still worthy. i was already someone who used a lot of old hardware as my few first pc. The first I7 i got was super old and has a terrible power consumtionbut my syster still play on this cpu with 8gb or ddra and a 1050TI and have really decent game experiene as i know.
My server i made (thanks to you btw) is a I7 2800k with 3 stick making 16gb of ddr3 and it's a beast too! Even if his first owner said it was absolute bs, i got it for 30 € and his insanely powerful. I use it on my livingroom as a server minecraft, nas and for playing some game with my friend like if it was a ps3. Next up, i want to make him emulate some old console and for the nas part, make it accessible from other internet, for my familly to be able to use it. Thank for al you content, keep it up, i love this !
(sorry for my terrible english and boring story, but that's a good training :) )
Comment for the algorithm :)
Loved this video btw.
Thanks!
Make sure if you get the Xeon as an upgrade it will work in your prebuilt system.
Great video!!!!
Good point! Probably should’ve mentioned that haha
Budget building, always worth it! That feeling you get when everything works just fine is undisputed!
Home Server Amazing Waiting For It🔥🔥❤️
If you own a Xeon based PC you definitely understand how fun it is to see the faces on your friends when they ask about what CPU you got (either confused about what a Xeon even is or Amazed that you have one).
Personally, xeons are a great offering on many of the older sockets. I use a Xeon E3 1225 V2 paired with a GTX 770 4GB and 12GB DDR3. Great Combo
Lmao, that's true. I have a Xeon 1231v3 but when I tell people, I always say 'i7-4770 equivalent' because otherwise they're lost
@@sachatrin2981 "zeon twelve thirty one v three" sound cool lmao
@@mercix_vt yeah lmao
I just got my hands on a E3- 1280 v2 and titan gtx. Lol, they cant believe.
Up until recently I had a dual Xeon workstation after my friend and I bought 4 of them for $100 around 2017 or so, mostly because it sounded cool to have a dual Xeon machine. In 2009 I imagine it was a monster, but these days it would get destroyed by something like a 4th gen i5
Love the vid
I remember finding a Dell Mid Tower with an i3 4150. Upgraded the Ram to 16 gigs of ddr3 1600, 650 watt PSU and a GTX 970. Worked great years ago just before Ryzen came along. Very serviceable platform for media center use in semi stock setup. (If you find one of these, Put a low watt GPU in them) Thanks for the follow up video Hardware Haven!
pretty neat little system now. even the case seems pretty good for a pre built with its air flow
Yeah, my Inspiron 3847 with pretty same specs is still my main PC nowadays : )))
I was about to build an i3 4160 system and you literally read my mind
Loved the video and it's concept! The only thing I will like to see is if you can benchmark every game without vsync if possible.
Also, for Minecraft I think is widely know that if you are struggling with fps you should get Optifine installed, apart for being a useful mod that lets you use shaders it is also helps you a ton with getting more fps in general.
Thanks David! My original thought when determining settings was to try to find the smoothest experience, not so much get the most accurate data, which is why I used vsync in some titles. It wasn't until partway through that I decided to go ahead and use the xeon, so using vsync makes the comparisons less useful. And I considered optifine, but decided to not put the extra time into it. It probably would've made sense to though since I was trying to go for a more 'real world' experience. Thanks for the input! Hopefully I get better at this stuff down the road haha
@ItzLightyHD never heard of those. I usually stick with Optifine because of the simplicity of installation and the devs usually are super quick to support the latest Minecraft edition.
I will look into Sodium and Frabric tho!
@ItzLightyHD phosphor too
The Fortnite wins are due to the straight sata cable. It doesn't restrict the bits and gives a higher chance of spawning Light Sabers XD
Nice Video, I was thinking of switching to a xeon for a skylake based system (g4400) but hearing that not all have an iGPU bummed me out...
Nice video! I suggest trying to install optifine on minecraft Java if you want better performance :)
A bit late to your video but it's great man, I personally have a low end PC but with an i5 as a Kodi box it performs well enough but sucks a lot of power
Hello, I've been watching your videos for a while and can't help but wander, what do you do with all the PC parts you buy?
This setup is mush more suitable for a NAS + Plex setup as a small living room media center
Your a legend 👏
I like the fact that we both use the same ending tag, "Stay Curious."
Oh interesting! Haha
I promise I didn’t steal it 😂
i've managed to get an old lenovo sff with i7 4790s and 16gb ram for 180$, stuck in an ssd that i had laying around, and a 4gb rx 550 (low profile) paid 100$. it offers quite good performance for the price
Nice!
It's super cool to see how much a Xeon from this generation can increase the performance.
Really cool
I got the hp elite 8200 sff with i5 2500 and gtx 1650 gddr6 low profile, I tested the most demanding title like Cyberpunk 2077, Crysis remastered, elden ring and Tokyo Ghostwire. Most of them are surprisingly playable and around 30-50fps at 1080p low-mid settings except Elden ring that had severe stuttering at 1080p max settings. And I managed to get few extra fps after I overclocked the 1650 gddr6, impressed how well does the 11 years old mid range cpu can do!
Either those are some great deals you found, or it's a market thing (or both), but over here, I'd honestly go with an i7 4790 prebuilt from the start. Found one just now (HP) for 140 euros with 8GB ram and 1TB spinning rust (and a 320W PSU, which might be useful - or not). If I went with an i3, it would cost a bit less than the cpu difference (unless I've ordered a xeon from aliexpress - that would be a bit cheaper), but would come with 500GB drive and 4GB stick of ram. And of course, a worse cooler.
Now, if I'm really careful with auctions, rarely, but good deals sometimes do come. But still, not often.
Nice video. I’ve got a i7-920 and I’m thinking about upgrading but budget gets in the way. Good luck with the fortnight channel 😂🤣
Hahahaha will do 😂
Great video, the i3 was "better" than expected in some games. :-)
I bought small pc for 25€ with intel g540, 500gb hdd at 7200, 8gb ddr3 ram, psu 180W. Cpu is bottleneck so I bought I5 3550 for 18€ and had old SSD in company, get for free. Now is solid home server for hosting Minecraft, Plex and NAS. Thank you on inspiration!
I’m still running an i7-3770k and a passive GT1030. The build is practically silent and can still do most modern computer activities. I’m not a huge gamer but it can get an avg of ~90 fps in CSGO without ever falling on its face.
I'd manually cap the framerate in minecraft. VSync can be weird.
In bedrock, you'd have to go into the game folder and edit the configuration file, no idea why vsync isn't an option in the settings
Thanks!
what adapter are you used convert the 24 pin.. I have this unit that my problem.
Would you recommend this PC as a stream PC? So that my main one can just game and this one can encode and send it to twitch
i3-4160 was a great CPU.
I have used that since the Lenovo H30-50 machine.
Love your video, more information, and more new to me learn something
v-sync can make minecraft a bit laggy so you could try to use the manual cap
Finally someone who tests used hardware in the peak price/performance spot. Pre 4th gen isn't much cheaper nowadays and too inefficient. 6th and 7th gen have also become great value over the last year.
Yeah, I was surprised to see 6th 7th start looking similar in price to the 4th gen stuff
Man I love these topics, just taking e-waste and upgrading it. I am doing this kind of stuff myself. I got a pc for free with a AMD a8-3800, no ram, a 2007 hard drive and no gpu. So 8 just upgraded it with 4 GB of ddr3 ram, and a 128gb ssd. It runs Windows 10 really well. Also I wanted to ask, do you have any ways to get the windows 7 installation media for creating a bootable USB? I would be really happy if you have anything...
Send me an email or DM in Instagram or discord. I have an iso I can share
Great video. Fortnite is always stuttering and feels like crap even on high end hardware. I have a 5800x and 6900xt and I’ll go from having super smooth fps well over 200 to random drops in the 40s
I like simple channels like this which is much more accessible to the everyday user, unlike linus & other big channels where they are proud to show you what gifts they got from their sponsors lol
Can a Gigabyte gtx 760 windforce 3x oc fit into the case of that specific model of lenovo computer?
for csgo and msi afterburner you could try the -untrusted launch option
Thanks!
the i5-4590 is a budget cpu that still rocks alot of titles considering even more if overclocked. I got a couple from some dell optiplex 7020s slap them in a different board and overclock them. Paired with a RX 560, 570 or 580 they run amazing.
BATOCERA! I love cleaning up old machines and seeing what I can get running thru emulation
I have a computer with ddr2 and windows 11
I was happy with I would know which processor
With a built-in xenon video card
I have an i3 4370 powering my Minecraft server in the basement and it does surprisingly well!
Idk when I got the thing but I think its the fastest Haswell i3 ever made?
I recently built a gaming PC/mining rig with a x79 motherboard, i7 3820, 32gb of ddr3 with 4 extra ram slots to go up to 64gb, 240gb SSD, a GTX 1070, a GTX 1060 3gb, a GTX 970, a blu ray drive, a fan controller, and a zalman CPU heatsink all in a cooler master haf case powered by two Corsair power supplies a 500 watt and a 650 watt for $500. I get free power so I have it mining about a dollar a day with the current price of Bitcoin lmao.
I just did this with an old asus office pc with 4gb of ram and a amd a4 3200 cpu . The case was butcherd but I had an old dell dimensions pentium 4 system sitting about with a dead mother board so I stuck everything in that upgraded the ram to 8gb stuck an a6 3500 in and an old AMD HD 6450 2gb gpu I had laying around since I got given the system it only cost me $6 for the 4gb of ram and the a6 I'm currently playing through my old disk games I can't get anywhere else like freelancer and alien v preditor 2 it's a really good mid 2000s gaming pc all it needs is an ssd
Hii, nice, don't forgote ventilation
If I'm remembering correctly, you can turn down simulation distance, but keep render up. To relieve the load on the CPU.
Especially since Minecraft only uses two cores max.
Yep you’re correct
@@HardwareHaven I know that you test vanilla, but uh besides optifine there is Sodium and WIP early access mods that add LOD to the game to fake as much render distance as desired. Whether you have the time to look into WIP LOD for benchmarks I know not, but Sodium is pretty quick and worthwhile install for anybody, even its forge port Rubidium.
@@jokroast6912 Thanks! I've used optifine in the past, but I might look into others.
hey friend, can you try a game called "osu!" ? a rhythm game with low spec but requires a lot much powerful pc to run smoothly (main required or minimum requirements are:
2 core cpu + 256mb ram + gpu 256mb vram with shaders) looks such an low end spec game but honestly it requires full +480 to 960 fps with 0.4-2.4ms input lag to play smoothly
i had i5 2400 + gtx 650 + 16gb ram and tried to stream it 720p60 but it was really stuttery and dropping fps, now i just want to know if this pc (i3 4th gen + gtx 1650) can stream 1080p60 fps with no issues
its running in pcie 3.0 or 2.0 ?
i have i5 4570 with 1060 6vram and 16gbs ram its still good?
I also have i3-4160 paired with GT-730 that I haven't used for a while. Still good, charming and good performance in 2022.
AYE 11:07 FORTNIGHT 😂
nice video! but i5 4750 is like 40 to 50e so i would rather take it
Hey man can you pair it with a. Gtx 1660ti would it crash
my setup is an I3-3240 with and AMD Radeon RX 460 8 GB ram (i can 2 extra cores using hyperthreading)
will i be able to stream smoothly with i5 4440 and gtx 1650 16 gb ram?
hello i have i5 760, gtx1650(4gb oc) and 16gb ram(1333mhz) what do you think? it would be run a little better than yours? i want only for csgo steaming and little bit league of legends
Because of absolutely no GPUs available out there, I game with my i3 4170 intergrated graphics - HD4400, it's quite impressive that it can output 4K resolution, and game performance is ok, it also handles graphics benchmarks quite well, at least web benchmarks like webgl water, webgl aquarium, html5 fishbowl and rendering complicated websites. The main problem that I found is when I play Minecraft Java (nowadays modern versions, with default settings, no shaders, texture packs and anything), they use up entire i3 4170 CPU and resulting in lags. I questioned why they are huge CPU hog rather than GPU, the HD4400 GPU idles all the time while the i3 is full, which results in my decision to upgrade to some nicer xeons out there.
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Bro can I use 750ti 2gb instead of 1650 ?
Bueno bro pusiste nochefort pero esta muy bueno tu armado
That psu is a safety hazard and I think you should do a follow up video with an e3-1220v3
How so? It’s not one of the models included in the issue brought to light by GN of that’s what you’re thinking.
@@HardwareHaven no but i recall their was a similar issue with the 450w and 550w bronze units.
I just retrofitted a 4570-based workstation into an arcade emulator. A coworker and I are gonna build an arcade cabinet for it and buy a fight stick. It's gonna be sleek.
Woah. That sounds sick. Let me know when you finish it!
@@HardwareHaven should be by the end of 2022. I’ll post it in the discord!
For Minecraft Java, maybe you could do benchmarks for Vanilla, Optifine and Sodium respectfully.
Most people use performance/optimization mods for Minecraft Java because it is poorly optimized, and using Optifine or Sodium greatly improves the performance.
I almost considered optifine (no experience with sodium), but just decided not to take up the time to do it. Good though though!
so if this works fine means 12100f would be good for stream too
i5 3570 8gb ram gt730 2gb ddr3
Can i stream valorant csgo and ac4 ac3 at 720p
i suggest that you add sodium to java Minecraft so you get the best performance
any i7 on that socket should still be more than capable of modern gaming and streaming, though perhaps not so much that you wont see slow downs from the streaming. If you get the best, the i7 4790k, it should still be plenty though. Of course, that would raise the price of the system by another bracket, since those things still go for 75-120 bucks. If anyone is trying a similar solution, I can attest to the usability of an i5 4590 and anything faster - though I wouldnt recommend anything slower if you want even an iota of headroom.
You shouldn’t really see slowdowns from streaming at all if you’re using hardware encoding like nvenc
Latest bios of your computer plss we have same specs
I remmember i3 not being a good option for gaming even with the 4th gen (I remember it dropping to the 30s in online Battlfield 4). It competed closely with the FX-6300. Meanwhile today we have even cheaper i3-10100 which can handle almost all games at 60fps. Basically, old i3s were overpriced office CPUs.
Seriously don't take this the wrong way, because I definitely don't mean it in a negative way haha
I don't really care what they were back then, because they don't cost what they did then. Granted I wouldn't go out and buy one for a gaming PC. I just wanted to see if it could handle lightweight stuff, which in some cases it definitely did. It really all just depends on what the user wants their PC to do and how much it costs.
Nice video ! i got a question who may be interesting for a future test video. I had some class about pc hardware and how they work with eachother, and the teacher said that vsync is actually something that "eat" performances since the gpu and the monitor have to "talk" togehter to force the gpu to only get the right amount of image at the right time for the monitor to be perfectly synced.
Now the question is, is that true and maibe in some game like minecraft, you could try to deactivate the vsync and deactivate the framerate limiter. It may help the pc to get better performance.
wouldnt a used ps4 pro be a better deal?
I haver the same Pc config but my processor stay in 87°🥺 its burning
By the way, I managed to get a pretty cheap deal
For $125 I managed to find
Core i7 4790K including its motherboard, and 2x 8GB RAM 1600 Mts
managed to find 1660 Ti at $235
Never been so satisfied in my life
I learned the hard way. Them old Lenovo computers have too much proprietary parts, and even more of a hassle is that there is no way to run a lot of graphics cards - due to the so called 'white listing' of allowable parts involving the bios that is hidden and inaccessible. Thats right, 99% of people are completely unaware companies like Lenovo used to add hidden code in the bios that wouldnt allow a lot of graphics cards to begin with. And there isnt a huge list of what graphics cards will work on them old Lenovos either. So to save someone from experiencing a ridiculous nightmare like I did by trying to add an rx 6600 to an old i5 4570 Lenovo computer...check into if a graphics card is confirmed to work with the computer before buying. And also think twice about just buying another motherboard if the graphics card isnt confirmed or is blocked in the bios, because the proprietary hardware of those old Lenovo computers become a huge problem aside from the cable problem with new power supplies...I actually had to buy another case along with the new motherboard and new ram for example...And you could also be in the same boat if you dont see this comment or run across the very few people aware of the many pitfalls of trying to chuck a decent graphics card and maybe new ram into an old Lenovo...So look into those things before buying an old computer for sure.
Still on i3 550 every time i play games it bottelneck alot 😥
I using i3 4150 with the gtx 1050Ti and its work perfectly with someone who broke as hell like me when its can run pretty much every game like valorant,gtaV,etc…. In high and medium quality and for honestly thats enough
For anyone wondering, I'd say something like a gtx 750ti, or 1050 would be a pretty good pick for the i3
I used gtx710 on CS:GO
Without over clock 30frames
With over clock 120frames
I think even the 750ti would be bottlenecked in a lot of cases. I owned an i3 / 750 combo back in the day, and only a quad-core would unleash the true potential of the xx50 cards mentionned
Put minecraft shaders to the game with the Xeon but with a different GPU, like a 2060 or 1080
Extremle INPORTANT Fan on back and Cpu