Technician and Tuner/Calibrator here. Lots of people are talking about disabling learning. But I’ve discussed this with several master techs and people in the industry and I would not leave the learning disabled. Thank you for sharing this video! As said, there is no long term testing of disabling adaptive learning, but turning it off is likely going to hurt the life of your transmission. The adaptive tables within your tune are designed to accompany changes in the transmission over time due to wear. It has NOTHING to do with “learning how you drive”. This is a myth that I even hear dealer technicians saying. It only learns the parameters and response timers within the transmission. Initial smoothness that people are feeling is because everything has been reset. Not because the learning is harming the transmission. The clunkiness in the transmission is 100 percent related to how Ford has it programmed and has nothing to do with adaptive learning. The 3-5 skip shift in particular is what makes these things feel clunky and crappy. Even Ford figured that out, as all 21 and newer f150 trucks no longer skip from 3-5. Having your truck tuned by a professional tuber/calibrator is the only long term solution to this problem. The first thing I and most other tuners do is disable the 3-5 skip shift and make the torque converter lock up come in around 5th instead of 3. These changes alone make a huge difference. Long story short for people still with me, don’t disable adaptive learning if you want to keep your truck. Just get it tuned instead.
Thank you for sharing this. It adds some light to the topic. My 2020 F150 (5.0L, 10 speed trans) consistently has a hard shift from 3rd gear to 5th, and at other times as well. I would love to get it fixed. Are you saying that you should, or should not, have a Ford dealer attempt to fix it? If not, where do I find a professional tuner/calibrator that can make this change or repair? I ask because from my 35+ years of owning vehicles I have been told by mechanics that they know how to fix something only to pay hundreds of dollars and still have the problem after the vehicle is returned. I guess that's why buying the $60 OBD adapater cable and the FORScan software is appealing. But any thoughts on finding the right professional transmission tuner is much appreciated. Thank you again!
Thanks for the info. I just thought the adaptive learning would adjust the transmission shift points based on the driver's driving tendencies. Didn't know it made adjustments based on wear etc.
ford escape 2015 se 1.6, 6F35 transmission; at 65000km mileage it started to shift hard 1-2 when stepping light on gas; did twice atf simple drain and fill but still shifts hard 1-2; but after I cleared transmission adaptive table with forscan, shifts were noticeably smoother and the hard shifting 1-2 disappeared.
Awesome video, I have a Question I have a f150 10 speed and I bought it used and a couple months after driving it and when the 5th and 8th gear shift I feel it kind of clunk a little bit, I changed the fluids in the transmission it helped a bit but do you think this would help? I would really appreciate a reply as I’ve been trying to fix this issue for a while thanks
I have an ‘18 5.0L with 75k miles, transmission was replaced at 69k miles. 3-4-5 gears are AWFUL for me as well as P to R or D. I’ve tried resetting the adaptive learning tables and that didn’t do much. I’ve seen people say turning it off completely can help. Going to try this today & if it doesn’t fix the issues in the shop we go.
I just cleared mine but didn’t do the remove adaptive learning. I’m worried I’ll do damage to it if I completely turn it off. Just by clearing it though my truck shifts so much better! Thanks
THIS. Finally people are figuring that out. As a calibrator and tech myself it drives me crazy that people think this transmission learns driving habits themselves. 100 percent tuning and programming is why the 10 speed sucks from the factory. It’s also why the GM 10 speed shifts a lot better than the 17-20 Fords.
@ I’ve also noticed today that temps dropping hard caused a few minor harder shifts. Makes sense as the colder fluid will be a bit thicker thus elevating the control pressure some. I’m just a few miles it stopped doing it and was normal again. This leads me to wonder if clearing adaptive is a good idea or not. If it’s actually working I’d just leave it alone. I just read your other post below. I’ve looked and never noticed a 3-5 shift.
I have a 2019 XLT Sport with the 3.5. Mine was shifting hard between 3rd and 4th. I took it in last November to get the APIM for my infotainment system replaced, and get a few other issues fixed. I told them to check the programming while they had it in the shop. The mechanic ended up suggesting a complete rebuild of my transmission. Mine was a bushing in the tail shaft of the drum that holds the clutches for the 10R80. It moved and basically killed my transmission. Since then, I’ve done lots of research, and that is a pretty common failure with the 10R80 as well as issues with wear inside the aluminum drum that holds the clutches. Luckily I have Ford’s extended service plan, so instead of 9500 bucks for a new transmission, it was a 100 dollar deductible. If you want to get a lot of good info on the eco boost engines or the 10R80 transmission, Flying Wrenches RUclips channel is a good source. He works on them all the time.
Technician and Tuner/Calibrator here. Lots of people are talking about disabling learning. But I’ve discussed this with several master techs and people in the industry and I would not leave the learning disabled. Thank you for sharing this video!
As said, there is no long term testing of disabling adaptive learning, but turning it off is likely going to hurt the life of your transmission. The adaptive tables within your tune are designed to accompany changes in the transmission over time due to wear. It has NOTHING to do with “learning how you drive”. This is a myth that I even hear dealer technicians saying. It only learns the parameters and response timers within the transmission.
Initial smoothness that people are feeling is because everything has been reset. Not because the learning is harming the transmission.
The clunkiness in the transmission is 100 percent related to how Ford has it programmed and has nothing to do with adaptive learning. The 3-5 skip shift in particular is what makes these things feel clunky and crappy. Even Ford figured that out, as all 21 and newer f150 trucks no longer skip from 3-5.
Having your truck tuned by a professional tuber/calibrator is the only long term solution to this problem. The first thing I and most other tuners do is disable the 3-5 skip shift and make the torque converter lock up come in around 5th instead of 3. These changes alone make a huge difference.
Long story short for people still with me, don’t disable adaptive learning if you want to keep your truck. Just get it tuned instead.
Long comment but very well said.
Thank you for sharing this. It adds some light to the topic. My 2020 F150 (5.0L, 10 speed trans) consistently has a hard shift from 3rd gear to 5th, and at other times as well. I would love to get it fixed. Are you saying that you should, or should not, have a Ford dealer attempt to fix it? If not, where do I find a professional tuner/calibrator that can make this change or repair? I ask because from my 35+ years of owning vehicles I have been told by mechanics that they know how to fix something only to pay hundreds of dollars and still have the problem after the vehicle is returned. I guess that's why buying the $60 OBD adapater cable and the FORScan software is appealing. But any thoughts on finding the right professional transmission tuner is much appreciated. Thank you again!
Awesome video brother. Thanks for sharing. Keep the content coming. Hope you have an incredible Labor Day weekend. Much love and RESPECT
Thanks Tim. Hope you get to enjoy a great long weekend too!
Thanks for the info. I just thought the adaptive learning would adjust the transmission shift points based on the driver's driving tendencies. Didn't know it made adjustments based on wear etc.
I thought that originally too. If you go through the tsbs ford calls out it is for manufacturing and wear reasons
I just tryed this on my f150 big differance thank you
Glad to hear!
Just found your channel, great videos. Keep us updated. BTW, really like how you keep it simple.
Thanks! Appreciate it. Figure eliminating the fluff is a good way to share videos
ford escape 2015 se 1.6, 6F35 transmission; at 65000km mileage it started to shift hard 1-2 when stepping light on gas; did twice atf simple drain and fill but still shifts hard 1-2; but after I cleared transmission adaptive table with forscan, shifts were noticeably smoother and the hard shifting 1-2 disappeared.
Awesome. Thanks for sharing your experience with the change
Great video, keep us updated. BTW, did you notice much difference between clearing the codes and turning it off?
So not a staggering difference but I did notice some. It’s still driving great. Maybe better than before.
Awesome video, I have a Question I have a f150 10 speed and I bought it used and a couple months after driving it and when the 5th and 8th gear shift I feel it kind of clunk a little bit, I changed the fluids in the transmission it helped a bit but do you think this would help? I would really appreciate a reply as I’ve been trying to fix this issue for a while thanks
You would be better off starting off clearing the transmission adaptive tables. See this video here: ruclips.net/video/sHbsIboCfbc/видео.html
I just bought a 19 F150 eco boost and I’m having the same issue with a slight clunk sometimes. I’m going to be doing this today to see if it works
18 F150 3.5 ecoboost with a little over 100,000 miles. Mine has always clunked a little into 5th and 8th gear.
I have an ‘18 5.0L with 75k miles, transmission was replaced at 69k miles. 3-4-5 gears are AWFUL for me as well as P to R or D. I’ve tried resetting the adaptive learning tables and that didn’t do much. I’ve seen people say turning it off completely can help. Going to try this today & if it doesn’t fix the issues in the shop we go.
Good luck. Any extended warranty on the truck?
after the dealership "fixes it" get an oz omega tune best money I spent on my 2020 uses every gear up and down.......
I just cleared mine but didn’t do the remove adaptive learning. I’m worried I’ll do damage to it if I completely turn it off. Just by clearing it though my truck shifts so much better! Thanks
That’s great to hear!
what version of forscan are you using? I'm on the latest, it should have this feature yes?
Yes it should. I can check tomorrow if you still need it.
Adaptive is trying to compensate for transmission control pressure as the transmission wears.
THIS. Finally people are figuring that out. As a calibrator and tech myself it drives me crazy that people think this transmission learns driving habits themselves.
100 percent tuning and programming is why the 10 speed sucks from the factory. It’s also why the GM 10 speed shifts a lot better than the 17-20 Fords.
@ I’ve also noticed today that temps dropping hard caused a few minor harder shifts. Makes sense as the colder fluid will be a bit thicker thus elevating the control pressure some. I’m just a few miles it stopped doing it and was normal again.
This leads me to wonder if clearing adaptive is a good idea or not. If it’s actually working I’d just leave it alone. I just read your other post below. I’ve looked and never noticed a 3-5 shift.
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Have a great long weekend Mitch!
any info on if this does any damage long term?
Unknown. It could. I would suggest starting with clearing the adaptive tables and starting fresh.
I have a 2019 XLT Sport with the 3.5. Mine was shifting hard between 3rd and 4th. I took it in last November to get the APIM for my infotainment system replaced, and get a few other issues fixed. I told them to check the programming while they had it in the shop. The mechanic ended up suggesting a complete rebuild of my transmission. Mine was a bushing in the tail shaft of the drum that holds the clutches for the 10R80. It moved and basically killed my transmission. Since then, I’ve done lots of research, and that is a pretty common failure with the 10R80 as well as issues with wear inside the aluminum drum that holds the clutches. Luckily I have Ford’s extended service plan, so instead of 9500 bucks for a new transmission, it was a 100 dollar deductible. If you want to get a lot of good info on the eco boost engines or the 10R80 transmission, Flying Wrenches RUclips channel is a good source. He works on them all the time.
Luckily you did have that plan... That's such an expensive repair/replacement! I'll check out his channel. Thank you!
you wear the same clothes two weeks later?
Yea... lol. When I'm filming YT videos I have a small set of clothes I rotate. This shirt does well with the microphone.