Board Talk: VINTAGE Marshall in a Box!
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- Опубликовано: 11 июл 2024
- Okay, we've heard it all before... 'this' in a box, 'that' in a box... surely, it can't be that simple? Just buy this pedal and your existing setup will be transformed in to a fire-breathing behemoth? Well, perhaps! But not entirely...
The concept of 'Marshall in a Box' pedals is no longer that new. Many highly-regarded pedal designers have taken their stab at capturing the raw ferocity and excitement of a cranked Marshall amp stack, in a humble stompbox format, and usually they take focus on the higher gain, '80s tones, that feel like butter under the fingers to get utterly shred-tastic on!
However, some of the greatest guitar tones of all time have erupted from the most classic, vintage-style Marshall amps of the '60s and early '70s - where are all the pedals that capture THAT magic, you may ask? Well, look no further...
In today's video, Jack rounds up 6 of his favourite MIAB pedals that have their roots in the more old-school approach. Some wear their intentions and origins on their sleeves, others take a little bit of prying, but the results here are some of the very best, richest, most dynamic and timeless Marshall tones... in a much smaller box!
Figure out how you can incorporate one of these stomps in to your existing rig, and get a flavour of the ear-splitting, stadium-crushing tones for yourself!
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Check out pedals used here:
Fulltone Custom Shop - OCD Germanium - bit.ly/31MJWsA
Catalinbread Dirty Little Secret MKIII - bit.ly/3gVKJvP
Friedman Golden Pearl Overdrive Pedal - bit.ly/3lwHNci
Z.Vex Vexter Box Of Rock - bit.ly/2QHiTsa
Rockett Pedals .45 Caliber Overdrive - bit.ly/3jw5Aaw
JHS - Charlie Brown V4 - bit.ly/31MYeJR
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Peach has got an invaluable asset with Jack. Armed with a versatile axe such as this Suhr, he can certainly make even a crappy pedal sound good. Obviously, they all do, with a preference for the Dirty Little Secret that has got him quite inspired with explosive riffs. Well done Jack once again !
Excellently done video, I used to have a ZVex Box of Rock (which I used as part payment to buy a Matamp 1224) and I think I might just go and get me another one...really versatile piece of kit. I remember it sounded bloody brilliant into a Marshall head that had just started to 'grumble' and break up. Products available to guitarists these days are amazing
Awesome sounds! Awesome playing!
Love pedal....purple plexi...is a nice pedal...as mentioned I use the keeley 62 ...is a great pedal for Bluesbreaker tones
Hi Jack, gorgeous playing and tones as always!!! ...now that you have done jtm45 in a box...it’s time to compare the JTM45 with some of his “clones”!!! ...friedman dirty shirley, maybe suhr badger 18 that is tube rectified...what else??? 🤘🤘🤘
Zvex Box of Rock for me. It sounds the most harmonically rich. It also has some grit to the sound.
Jack is a VERY tasteful player. It's refreshing to hear a great player demonstrate great pedals. (there are many that aren't as good as the product being shown)!!
Jack,... thank you for what you do.... great topic , great tones, and great playing.... however, the true kings of Marshall in our modern era are actually George Metropolous and Greg Germino... their knowledge of Marshall history and circuits have led to them producing world class Marshall recreations and beyond... look them up, you'll be glad you did ! :-)
I've run through all these pedals plus others. The charlie brown v4 with a fuzzface into a good clean valve amp is the best jtm 45 replication I've played. The snouse bb2 has to be on the list for best marshall in a box pedals on the market as well. It stacks with a fuzz, a tube driver or whatever else you throw at it.
the J Rocket 45 and OCD were my favorites, they seemed to sound clearer and not as nasal as all the others
Definitely prefer the JTM45 styled offerings, and would throw the Zvex Distortron in the mix so you have more control over the Box of Rock styles massive low end.
The MIAB concept is very relative: to the amp, the guitar and the way you dig in. Other 3 that do a good job are: CmatMods Super Signa, JAM Lucy Dreamer and Mad Professor Loud N Proud. Cheers !
My fav is the Charlie Brown because it was the most open and just had it but I also really liked the Box of Rock and Dirty little Secret. I liked the Rocket 45 calibur too but after flipping back and forth between them all I found the midrange was a little different and more of it. Could be good or bad and I wouldn't really know until I sat down and played it. I'm now interested in the Charlie Brown. I have owned a Box of Rock and enjoyed it. Can't remember why I sold it.
One thing missed here is the Super Bass side of the DLS. Yes, it does the Super Lead thing quite well, but if you wanted to sound a little earlier in the Marshall lineage, the SB mode works quite well. Yes, you have to take the back cover off the pedal off to select it, but Holy $#@! it sounds really good at that cleaner, Hendrix-ey, AC/DC thing.
The Charlie Brown was the clear winner for me. Authentic Marshall tone growl and oomph!
same for me. Also it sounded like stand alone marshall. The other pedals sounded more like Marshall pushed by OD pedal.
Linus!
Just wanna warn you that unity gain for it was definitely past noon (when I had one). Since you have to turn it way up, you get more noise. I found that it I didn't like it on high gain that much, either. That said, the cleaner side of the Charlie Brown is great.
would have loved to see the dirty shirley pedal there. it's absolutely fantastic.
hey you put the wrong subtitle on the screen between 11:05 and 11:56 it says the Box of Rock instead of the Golden Pearl
Pal 800 Gold overdrive from Venezuela rocks!!
I'll take...
one of each, please !
I have and love the Xotic SL Drive and the Ramble Marvel Drive 3... The Marvel 3 IS SO GOOD!!!
Had both. The Marvel for me, while good, was over-compressed - the upper mids would not bloom. The SL Drive, also good, was centered too close to the JCM800, not my Marshall preference which is toward Plexi.
XVive Golden Brownie. Designed by Thomas Blug. (Blu Guitar Amp 1) under $50 and sounds fantastic.
Regarding the Catalinbread DLS, it also has a super bass mode which you can switch between internally. I think this does the 60s Marshall sound as well.
I didn't know about the switch man! That's great! I knew about the presence trim pot but not about the supper bass mode
The Superbass mode is great because if you run the pedal for a lightly dirty/ british timbre clean sound, that Superbass is a touch cleaner from the get go! And if you want to crank the preamp for full Johnny Ramone in seconds.
Shame you didn’t have a Revival Drive Compact on hand, that does a pretty good Marshall too. The OCD is great though.
You could use the DLS, Charlie Brown, Rockett .45 and ZVEX interchangeably for that JTM45 sound. The Friedman and the OCD had a whole different thing going on.
4:00 Jhs charly Brown and 6:07 j rockett and zbox o rock 8:23 for me!
Lovepedal has a bunch of pedals designed to replicate famous amps both Marshall and Fender. They’re all great, the Les Luis has a tweed twin and a deluxe, there’s a JTM and a Jubilee pedal too.
I had three super lead, didn't like it but I love the les Luis.
Great thanks! Next up tweed pedals!
Pedalpalfx and origin revival drive is one of the best marshall crank in a box
Awesome comparison! Personally tend to prefer the Charlie Brown and J Rocket 👍🏻
Check out the Plexi Breed from Colombo Audio in Italy = Amazing. I preferred the J. Rockett Pedals .45 Caliber Overdrive & the Catalinbread Dirty Little Secret MKIII.
I have an older OCD. The famed Ver 1.3 signed by Rico that for some reason is more sought after. On it's own, the OCD is OK. It has a distinct midrange push and gain that is useful. Especially when using 18 volts. More clarity and headroom vs 9 volts. But recently, I stacked a Greer Lightspeed Organic Overdrive with it and that really brought the OCD to life. The frequency response, I feel, is more open and more dynamic. Just a better sound overall.
Yeah I have a Lightspeed and honestly it just makes most things better LOL!
The Xotic SL drive does the trick for me if I need that Marshall tone or my old Rat
From a lot of experience the Dirty Little Secret run at 18v (a must!) in the Super Bass mode (internal switch to the right)…into a cleanish BF/SF Fender amp is a fantastic early “faux” Marshall Plexi I’d put up against any of these boxes… and can be had used for little scratch. These settings ARE the dirty little secret of using this box that wasn’t shown here (no offense good video!). Takes a ge fuzz and treble booster like a champ as well. The only MIB pedal that’d get my $ at this point would be the Revival Drive but I’m in no hurry.
Hi, Thank you for your video, for you which one is best to sound like you in jeff beck video ? 😊
Im always intrigued by labeling OCD as "Marshall in a box" pedal ... Ive played couple modern and vintage Marshall, but the OCD (its great pedal, dont get me wrong) never reminded me sonicaly or feel wise any marshall. Otherwise, great video with great pedals
Headroom considerations (the dynamic range of input volumes into the pedal to go from overdrive/distortion to cleaning-up): the Dirty Little Secret mkiii, which I have, can be operated from 9V up to 18V, where 18 has a very noticeable improvement to headroom, so I strongly recommend doing that. Before I bought the DLS, I compared it in the store to the ZVex Box of Rock which had very little headroom, in my opinion, and was on the verge of being a fuzz pedal - both pedals in the store at 9V.
I've tried lots of Marshally-style pedals. I've narrowed it down to 2 that please me. The Carl Martin Plexitone Single. And the Tone City Golden Plexi.
What amp did you use in this video ?
Which pedal has better tone with clean amps like fender twin reverb?
For the vintage Plexi-tones, the Mad Professor Loud'n Proud is the closest one I've tried. Such an amplike pedal that responds a lot like the amp it is designed to replicate.
I had the Loud 'n Proud and was quite disappointed how under-developed it was. The top end would never settle, it's the worst Presence circut I've ever heard - couldn't sell it fast enough.
You guys have the Freidman labeled box of rocks
Wampler Pantheon is great too.
The Xotic Effects SL Drive is great for AC-DC tones.
Everything is so dependent on the amp /cab your playing into.
Exactly. Pedals don't have a "sound" as such, they are sound alteration devices.
Totally right bud
Starting off, you need a good clean channel. But then again, you can experiment even with a JCM800 on low gain settings. There's no right and wrong in the order of pedals. Okay, for how it's meant to use you want these pedals in the clean channel. You could even try to run these - or some of these directly in the effect return / power amp in. And yes, your 1 x 12" doesn't sound like a 4 x 12", but that's why Wampler for example has a switch in it's Plexi Drive Deluxe to compensate for that....
What speakers are in that amp?
What about Fender Twins in a box, or Deluxe or Super Reverb. I haven’t seen many of those types of things.
'cause it's all about the overdrive /distortion.
It's possible to colour a clean amp signal but you're not going to get a typical orange or Marshall amp to sound like a twin reverb
Big Wreck! Nice.
Caught that too
Only the guv'nor marshall can fill that title marshall in a box.
Interesting but I actually think the amount of gain on show here is higher than would have been typical in the late 60's/70s .
stupid question but if i want to make my amp think its a marshall should i run one of these pedals through the effects loop and leave it always on?
You can run them either way. If it's in your fx chain, leave it on near the end so it colors all the other fx
Pedal pal effects makes THE BEST Marshall in a box. I promise. I own the pedal pal 800 and its a direct clone. Don't believe me? Check it out.
That DLS is very interesting.
The Friedman was mislabeled as the Zvex.
Best copy of jtm circuit in a box is Baldringer Dual Overdrive 2.
With or just with jtm almost no difference.
a good and relatively cheap pedal is the tone city golden plexi!
Should really have had an original Guv'nor in the mix as the gold standard but I guess its main focus was JCM800. For low gain, I'm disturbed by your lack of Tumnus. Otherwise great!
Tumnus is a Klon clone-ish pedal, isn't it?
@@WatchesnguitarsDK yes. In this review they say 'Marshall in a box' but the review was much more low-gain than I expected, which is klon territory. To me they are complementary sounds.
Ramble fx Marvel drive v3 is missing
Other good pedal doing the job is the Keeley 1962: I have it in the Tone Workstation and rocks!
How do you like the Tone Workstation? It’s been on my list for a while.
@@billgreen3629 it's great. Versatile and powerful, with the compressor, 62, boost and tube screamer type Red Dirt. Only two minor minuses: switches are very small, and you can't change the order of the pedals. Would have liked the possibility of having the red dirt into the 62
@@andreaferrero6533 Admittedly that has been a sticking point for me. Ideally I would have it in reverse order - Red Dirt into 1962 into compressor.
I see a couple of mentions of the Marshall Guv’nor, here. Does it really hold up with the boutique pedals of today? Somebody educate me...
Maybe the original, but I never considered it to have a JTM45/1962/1963 tone. I have V2 and it's unusable on most settings due to the overwhelming and unfocused bass.
A more similar pedal would be a V1 Marshall Bluesbreaker, but that and similar circuits have become more popular in recent years as boosts/overdrives (e.g. King of Tone, Morning Glory) rather than as amp-in-a-box pedals.
What happens...if you plug a Marshall in a box pedal...into a Marshall amplifier whoa
11:05 whoops
Geeze Jack I'm uttery deflated...so much so I may sell my 1971 Super Lead. It's very disconcerting that that that old head can be replaced by an effect. Ay yi yi...
That charlie brown. Oof
loudnproud missing.....
Weehbo makes some great MIAB pedals.
Absolutely, I have the PlexDrive and it nails Marshall late 60's - early 70's tone with some beef in it, thank you. The boost is impressive with the depth and magnitude it adds, have found nothing like it. And the variable input level shines, why don't more pedals have that? Solves many amp issues. Brilliant pedal, congrats to Mr Weehbo!
Great playing but I have just never been a Marshall fan at all. I love hearing them played by others but I've just never been able to do anything with them myself. Although I did use to have the Bluesbreaker 2 pedal and thought it was pretty cool.
That's kinda like saying "I don't get the idea with muscle cars, why do you need so much horsepower"
That's the whole point.
Excess.
I'd take one not there: Keeley El Rey Dorado
Catalinbread Dirty Little Secret is a copy of the BSIAB II, a super popular circuit, designed in DIY community forums (GeneralGuitarGadgets, freestompboxes, diystompboxes, etc)
"Let me dial out the point of a Marshall..." Regardless, DLS for the win.
how about the marshall bb2 bluesbreaker?
I used to have one and used it with a Fender Blues Deluxe and thought it was a really great pedal and I'm actually not a Marshall fan at all. I've really always been a Fender amp fan but recently have fallen head over heels in love with Vox and am dying to get an AC30. I have the AC10 that I run with a Deluxe Reverb and that thing is absolutely awesome. So I would imagine if I paired it with an AC30 it would be even better. You have any experience with an AC30?
@@SimpleManGuitars1973 i used an ac30 for a few years. Lovely sound but my god it will take your head off if you want it to sound good. Definitely a large venue amp i tried an attenuater but all the life seems to go as you attenuate it down unlike a Marshall. I switched to an vox ac 15 brilliant amp i run that with a marshall origin 20 watt all the break up at more frendly volume
@@darrenc8776 Are the AC30's bad about feeding back when you're close to them at high volume? I'm in a small room but live on 40 acres and when my wife and kids are gone I can really crank it. I just would love to be able to get that sweet Voc tone for fun. I don't even gig anymore but would just love to get that sound.
@@SimpleManGuitars1973 tbh mate there's nothing better sounding at high volume than an AC 30 is you can turn them up. yeah they will feed back if you are too close any valve amp will at full volume but the trick is to ride the volume control on the guitar. If your not facing the amp you should be ok. Buy one there great but you will need ear buds they are loud.
@@SimpleManGuitars1973 and don't forget the treble booster
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I hate Jack, he is not human, he is a God on guitar, damn hahaha
I don't get it... if you want to sound "Marshall", how about purchasing a "Marshall", or purchase one of these amps. that gives you the option to install either 6L6 or EL83, such as the Mesa Boogie Lonestar? I think those pedals work best with a good amplifier anyways. So it would defeat the purpose to have a cheap amp. plus a "Marshall" pedal, to sound "Marshall"?
I often wondered this, but it seems that there are a ton of people who play Fender amps and just want a Marshall option, within their existing rig. In fact, I think I read that The Fender Hot Rod Deluxe is one of the most commonly owned amps right now!
Because many Marshall style amps are one trick ponies (and often single channel), whereas having a great clean platform gives you a platform for all sorts of sounds, which is a must for many people, especially people who gig.
We can't all be Eric Johnson and lug around a Twin and a Super Lead, haha. Also Marshalls usually have to be quite loud to get the sound that these pedals are approximating.
Most people don’t want an actual Marshall or a copy of one of the good ones (ie NMV). Far better to click on a pedal that approximates what they sound like on the record for most people, than to deal with such amps
I suppose for 99% of players its not practical to buy half a dozen different valve amps and lug them all about when they are playing gigs or recording where as you could get a clean amp with a tonne of headroom and hit it with any style of overdrive you want to get you 97% of the way there
None of them sound anything like a JTM45.
To my ear none of these sounded like a Marshall. Nice tones but not "the sound" I know and love.