Porsche GT4 Owner Tries 911 Carrera S (992)
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Nice video! Your right on about the speed being deceptive, it’s effortless! I’ve got a 992 Carrera ( GT Silver Non S ) 385 HP , it’s plenty of power for me! Ive had the opportunity to track it a few times ( COTA Austin TX ) and as you would expect this 911 even with the base 385 HP punches way above its weight! Your 911 S is awesome! Happy motoring!!
Agree 100%, I have a 992 Carrera (White Carrara Metallic) and it really feels like 400+hp. It accelerates effortlessly at speed on the highway.
@@avol3xohey..
What should be one's networth to easily afford a 911 base?
A rough figure??
Same experience I had when shopping... looked at the 991.2 and loved it but after seeing the 992 interior I couldn't go back. The 992 is also quite a bit tighter and sporty feeling. Less of a grand tourer feeling than the 991.1 and 991.2.
The 992 has much more usable power on the road than a GT4 due to the torque with the turbos and the 992 feels better to me in the corners on public roads. After having my 992 for a year, I drove a GT4 with the intent of trading in and was surprised how underpowered it felt. The GT4 is better on the track but IMO the 992 C2 would be the car to I own if only able to own one.
totally agree, and i traded my GT4RS for a 992 C2S for the same reasons you mentioned
As a 991.2 owner, I think the Sport PASM (lowered by 10mm) is a total waste of money as it’s barely noticeable. I’d recommend going for aftermarket lowered springs which is compatible with PASM, rides like stock, get rid of the wheel gap, and it’s inexpensive.
As far as GT4 vs 992 C2S, the GT4 will be more fun but the 992 will be significantly faster and more responsive.
He just didn’t get that he was talking about road noise.
More responsive lol? Than a mid engine?
The back seats are extremely helpful for storage, which is how most of us use them, so they are a big plus.
I’d say they’re more than just that - I’ll explain. Most people don’t know how to set up the driver seat. They pull the seat too far back so they can stretch their legs out for comfort and that’s what they get used to. However, that’s just in the head, you don’t need your legs stretched out straight to be comfortable - you actually end up losing steering precision because you also then have to have your arms stretched out. Ideally, you want your arms at 90 degrees to the elbow for maximum steering control, because at that angle, you can engage your shoulder muscles as well as your arms to control the wheel ( I learned that from racing drivers). If you do that, then the back seats can be used by an average size adult. I’m 5’9” (1.75 m) and with my driving position, I fit relatively comfortably in the back.
@@darkmatter6714 I admire anyone who uses the rear sets ... as seats.
Great to see the Porsche DNA in both cars. That Carrera S is a weapon… why anyone needs anything more for the road I don’t know!! If I was ever in the lucky position to buy a 911, a Carrera S would be the one 👌
Great choice chappy 👍
Still waiting for you to buy a 50th Ann Boxster Chris 😉
GTS is the car to get. Much more focused and rewarding than the Carrera S. Very noticeable in terms of steering, handling, sound etc., but perfect for a daily.
Don’t use words like “if” and “lucky” soon enough you WILL be buying a 911 S because you EARNED it.
I’ve got a 2012 911S, heavily modded for spirited driving, and a 2016 GT4 with the DeMan conversion. The GT4 has way more performance and track capability, but the 911S is a much better daily driver. All depends on what you want.
Thoughts on GT4 vs GT3 in terms of track performance?
@@CXY96 I have never driven a GT3. Obviously, a stock GT3 has far more horsepower and torque than a stock GT4.
GT3 is a way more capable car, but if you aren’t a professional driver then who gives a fuck. Both are extremely fun on track.
I’m betting a tiny minority of GT4 and GT3 owners track their cars. It’s like a Rolex Sea Dweller. It’s a dive watch rated to 4000 ft. How many owners even dive? Don’t get me wrong I’d love to have any of the above, but I’d rather drive something made for street driving and not track use, like a Carrera S. Or GTS. For the 718 I’d get a GTS 4.0.
I’d love to see more comparisons of the mid engine and rear engine sports cars. Too many jump to the conclusion that a 911 is the ultimate destination, but I find the mid engine the true sports car (speaking about the newer gens like for like)
911 is behaving like mid engine car already , it’s been 50 years of improvements , nothing beats 911 ! There is no substitute
@@markjurczyk Yessir. That's why the 992 GT3 still beats the GT4RS around the Nurburgring. 992 Carrera S, no. Definitely too soft for me.
@@thomasferrarojr.9772 If it had double wishbones instead of McPherson struts, it would probably beat the GT3, not sure about the GT3RS.
Loved this video Will and Dale, look like 2 boys clearly enjoying themselves. Made me smile too
Cheers Tony 👍
Thanks dad! ❤
Sport is the best engine mode because in sport you get all the pops and crackles when the trans shifts down or if you downshift with the paddles coming to a stop. Not sure why the other mods do not also have the pop and crackle sounds.
I own a Targa 4 and I took the base engine with an additional $18,000 in options as the additional 60 hp is really not necessary. I also own a GT4 2022 and I am working on trading it for a new Base Turbo. My big issue with the GT4 is it is just too small inside for a larger guy. But the 911 I can slide the seat back until I can’t even touch the pedals with my feet- and I am 6’2”.
Just on the rear seat conversation, I have a 4S and my kids (9 and 6) fit comfortably in the back. I imagine I'll get several more years out of the back before they grow out of it. The 2+2 was a big selling point for me.....that and the car is amazing all around!
As Jeremy Clarkson said: obviously you’d have to have fairly thin children. But then you would have, because you’ve got a Porsche 911, so you’d have a thin wife.
hey..
What should be one's networth to easily afford a 911 base?
A rough figure??
I have the exact same spec in the Spyder as well as in a Macan GTS. In my opinion, those 992 wheels are hands down the best on any GT Silver Porsche.
hey..
What should be one's networth to easily afford a 911 base?
A rough figure??
I'm here to get educated and help make important life choices. Thanks , you both did that for me.
Great vid, I had a 2018 718 S 6M and was considering a GT4 6M or 992 base Carrera, wish this vid had been out then. For me, two factors changed my mind. 1 I drove my buddys GT4 and the power train/gearing didn’t work as well as my 2.5T in the S. In the GT4 You’d have to wring it out to enjoy - 2nd gearended up near 80-mph. So I couldn’t really enjoy the manual aspect much off track 2. I simply adore the 992 generation. Interior/exterior, everything just looked so perfect and was a step up from my last Porsche 911 (05 - GTS +). I was so drawn in by the new design and figured the more liveability would make it my somewhat DD so I decided to order a 22 C2 spec’d exactly how I wanted. I couldn’t justify the $16k add for the S to go manual so I stayed PDK, def couldn’t do GTS or GT3 because of all the ADM so I went simple. 2022 Carrara 2 Dolomite silver Ext , slate leathery interior, RS wheels painted black (came w MPS4S!), Blk glass roof, Bose, Sport Chrono, Sport exhaust, folding mirrors, vent seats, sports seats plus, Ext range tank - 23.7g) etc. and then added a few things - dark tint, yellow stitching, CF vinyl over the piano blk and door trim to protect and dress up the interior. Anyhow, NOW I adore my car, my 718 was a more playful drivers car and I liked every minute. It was fantastic on track and better access given the hatch and frunk combo. The 911 looks and feels more serious and will likely perform similar on track, but probably a little slower. Mmy previous track car before the 718 S was a 911 997 S with basically all the GT3 mods power, brakes, suspension and I have over 1,000 laps at Sebring so know it well. My 997 would run a 2:33 on regular MPSC2 tires. My 718 S on MPS4S, a less sticky tire ran 5 secs a lap faster with 2:28 being pretty common in the otherwise stock 718. That said, I haven’t run the new car there yet so we’ll see,, but I’m guessing she’ll be in the 30’s for sure, but doubt of seeing 2X anything unless I upgrade the pads, rotors, fluid and add a chip to bring the stock 379hp into a more respectable 400+. No rush, I enjoyed beating on the 718 hard, the 911 I find myself pampering it…. Cleaning it up every night, sitting out here staring at the car…. It’s just so pretty, sounds so good, and had a prescience that seems to get a lot more looks, attention and compliments than my 718 ever did. That said they’re both phenomenal in different ways, enjoyed both and proud to have owned each of them.
Ha! We can all relate to the cleaning and staring back in awe comment.
Glad you’re happy with your 992 Mac 👊🏼 lovely colour, dolomite
Absolutely love the cars. I'm looking at a GT3 myself.
Wow nice!!! That'll be amazing 👌
If you are going to drive it on British roads you will have a harsh ride experience. Track wise absolutely. Be sure what your main use is going to be. S and GTS are more than capable.
In another year or two defo upgrade to 992 S, from 2013 991.1S so cal car. (re: no rust not chalked with potholes etc here or salt in roads a plus .) Great video. I'd say the ONLY thing I miss comming from a vette is the torque ,which the turbos have. PS: On a track day for us mortals not that much difference in any of the cars,991/992/gt4 ,unless your approaching stig level skillset.
Lovely video.
Nice banter!
I really love your 911s 992.
I have just recently ordered a brand new 911s 992 with about 15k specs. Apparently it’s at least an 18 month wait but I am willing to wait. Some of these second hand 911s 992 are selling for more than retail. It’s unbelievable.
Mine is in aventure green with 911s wheels in satin black with chrono pack, sports tailpipes in black, interior lighting, two tone interior. With Bordeaux red leather and dark dashboard, BOSE sound system plus some other interior around comfort and lighting. I did 3.35 to 60 in launch control. I couldn’t believe the speed. It’s purely exhilarating.
For me the 911 (any iteration) is really only a true Porsche imo. I drove a cayman s. It’s quick but I feel like I’m in a go cart lotus type experience. Not for me. It’s a poor man’s 911.
Call negate in the order chap - sounds like a stunner 🎉🎉🎉
The GT4 is what a 911 used to be - a lightweight sports car (I've owned 3 911 s) . The new 991 and 992 are basically SL (compete with Mercedes) cars now. Big and luxurious and fast
Totally agree! Too much of a gt cruiser now unless you go up to gt3 level
Partially agree. I’d say more like the AMG GT vs SL. I’ve got a 997 S, my brother just got a 992 GTS in Caulk with aerokit and my dad took delivery of a GT silver 992’GTS. For me and what I like, I say screw the increase size and nice dash board. The “ultimate” for me is a 997.2 GT3RS. Even with the old dash, I’ve got a 3rd pedal and I’m the one driving. I do feel like the GT4 is kinda what replaces the true sports car 911 in the size similar to a 997
I would go for the natural aspired GT4, driving by myself a 991.1 S convertible, beautiful sound and perfect daily driver! But btw, you don´t driving a Porsch! Whats a Porsch? The name is Porsche with the ,e' spelled at the end, Porsch'E', please!
Excellent video , not seen anybody compare a 911 to a GT4. Driving a GT4 is always something special, but not a daily I think speaking as someone who owns one.
Yeah and they're similar price points.
GT4 is a better weekend car, but the all rounder that ticks all the boxes is definitely the 992
GT4 is the one i want to play with but 992 is the one i want to own and use it daily.
Great video guys! Love the 992 spec with grey stitching and the red details (seatbelt and dials) that go along with the red calipers. About the 4S: this car is not much heavier. Furthermore the S is great but if you add the rear wheel steering it really makes no sense. The real wheel steering puts the car on rails and thus fits the 4S. If you want a BMW driving style you really need an ordinary S without the rear wheel steering. If you want to drive on rails just go for the 4S. I never understood people who buy an S with rear wheel steering because it takes most of the fun away.
Well, that's just your opinion, man.
But don't forget: really nobody gives a shit about your opinion, dude.
It's just your individual preference, which isn't "obligatory" for other Porsche customers at all, because they know what's fitting to their own driving style.
I know a lot of Porsche drivers, who wouldn't share your opinion at all.
Therefore I always find it a bit "offensive", to hearing such strong opinions from guys like you in comment sections, because it's just your own opinion, but nothing more.
Have a nice day, dude!
@@Porsche1969 at least I think I argumented clearly why it does not really make sense. Did not want to be rude. If you are a Porsche driver and want to put a Ferrari engine in it: good for you! Still curious why you think the combo makes sense though without speaking about “preference” only.
@@ilijapetkovski There's it again: You are a fucking annoying trashtalker, dude!
"... i think i argumented clearly why it does not really make sense..."
Can you imagine, that it propably makes sense ONLY FOR YOU, but not at all for a lot of other Porsche drivers??
That's the problem with a lot of people these days: little egocentric idiot boys like you are so fucking arrogant, that you don't even can imagine that there are a lot of people, who don't share your opinion at all!
Please, shut the fuck up, because your "opinion" is worthless for a lot of Porsche drivers!
@@ilijapetkovski WTF are you talking, you idiot???
"... if you... want to put a Ferrari engine in it: good for you..." ??????
What's about a "Ferrari engine" in a Porsche, dude??
I was about your stupid ego opinion "how much sense" makes the optional rear wheel steering in a Porsche 992 Carrera.... But not about fucking dumb fantasy Ferrari/Porsche comparisons, dude!
Go back to Kindergarten, you clown!
Really depends on what you want from the car. Anything other than a weekend blast or occasional road trip, 911 S. Having driven both, for me the GT4 all day. I’ve come out of an M5 Comp which was just too capable and I don’t commute for work. Too much for a weekend car. I cancelled my 911 GTS order (and the Emira) for the GT4 as for me, the GT4 is just more special. Arriving very, very soon….
Exciting chappy - congrats on the choice 👍
Agreed Aneel!
It's the car that suits our needs best.
Congrats on the new whip too! 👊
@@MrHCars thanks! Less than 24 hrs to go….
911 back seats are the perfect size for my corgi
Turbo power all the way! 992 💪
GT4 for driving experience. carrera for everyday liveability
Nice to see some decent gear changes in this one 😜
Quality evening chap - good to catch up. Really enjoyed shooting and the view - quality content as always 👏🏼
Likewise mate! Always good to catch up!
Let me know which colour car you go for next year and we can refilm another 😂
I have a GT4, a GT3, and a C4GTS daily. GT4 is the most fun. GT3 is the quickest on track, C4GTS is the easiest daily.
You mention tracking your 992. Do you find that these newer 911 go through pads and rotors a lot faster than on Gt cars?
That goes for both pdcc and steels.
No issues with pads on the 992 after 2 days at Silverstone chap - very capable the steels 👌
I love the new 911s. But i have to say this, the steering on the 997 is sadly missed. As nice as the electronic is, it just cant match the old school 997s for feel.
Carrera s in gt silver thanks
I’d have a C2S w a manual
I wished dale just stayed quiet. He’s justifying buying a grand touring car the whole time.
It’s not speaker, it’s some actual pipes connected to the engine which routes sound into the cabin.
911s 992 all the way.
Great video. Also, A+ on the no-date Sub! First one I’ve since since August of 2012 (the month I got mine lol). Cheers.
Those two seats make all the difference. If you need them you have them.
how do you call it driver spec without the manual gearbox? Great car, have a GTS on order but just saying
I'll second what others have said on the rear seat. I wanted a real sports car, available in convertible, with a rear seat so my son could be with us cruising. Couldn't even consider a 718 variant because of that...
Touching on not realizing how fast you're going and how capable this car is, I find it extremely hard at times to not drive like a total A#$HOLE! Sure, I've got plenty of room. Hmmm, can I get past those six cars in time? Easily. I'm a very courteous driver normally but very difficult in this machine.
As a (insert car here) I think (insert thought).
Looks like the Gt4s on borrowed time! Good content Will.
Thanks AD!! 👊🏼
Back seats of a 911? Prefer a 10 mile walk or a 10 mile ride? Add rain to see how uncomfortable they are!
I have an M2C and have been ready to move to a 992. The tiny backseat makes this still a hard sell.
In the same boat at the moment
Keep the m2 and buy a porsche next to it
911 owners will always say that the rear engine platform is superior but fail to realise that when Porsche built cars for racing e.g. 550 Spyder, 718, RS60, 917 et al...they were all mid engine platforms. The 356 and 911s were developed specifically as road going cars not racing cars - why do you think there are back seats? Yes, they have been adapted for racing but Porsche chose the superior mid-engine layout for their race cars, as they knew that it is superior to the pendulum inducing handling of the rear engine layout. They also failed to realise that Porsche by the early 70s had deemed the 911 design obsolete and had designed and built the 928 as it's intended replacement. If it wasn't for the dogged and illogical sentimentality of the 911 crowd, the 911 would not be the "hero" car that it is today. 911 snobs claim that it takes skill to drive the 911 but also fail to realise how much electronic safety aids that have been built into each new model to keep it from spinning off the road, so where is the "skill" in that? Add to the fact that in 2016, the head of Porsche racing stated that the they had to make their 911 cup cars mid engine in order to remain competitive. If Porsche didn't hobble the performance of the Cayman GT4RS to protect their halo car, it would shit all over the 911 GT3RS at the Ring.
wow fun minds think alike. My silver 911 s is on the way! And before I made the choice I defintely considered the GT4
This car’s sound must be heard in real life. Most recorders can’t capture the low frequency subwoofer sound. Applying the “high pass filter” makes it sound awful.
A 911s is, for me, the best car to buy in that segment.
In my opinion, there's only one clear choice between the two cars, but I'm biased. I drive a GT4.
The 911 is just too big and bulky, Caymans look sportier
Goodyear F1 supersport are as good as the Michelin and in some areas better.
I’ve experienced both on road and track.
I have a boring Audi quattro and love it! Although next toy is a 992 GTS.
Perfect choice
The 911. Eventuality most know it was "the best handling sportscar"... You should go into it expecting a car that' is treated end heavy.. That the trail will swing out of you take corners"too fast".. it's part of its identity and the funny of opening a911....a4s neutered the character IMHO....
In the end must of is aren't competitive road racers. The cars will only be street driven with our limited still... These are"street cars"....
I’m just getting a 992 from Nottingham 😎
Ey congrats and enjoy 🥳
Awesome
hey..
What should be one's networth to easily afford a 911 base?
A rough figure??
@@amits7409 I'm nowhere near qualified enough to answer that question which is entirely subjective in many respects
@@CarMadDad ok
Why is the same video on car mad dads channel?? I thought his video would be of him in your GT4? Am I missing something?
CMD filmed a gt4 vs 992. You’ll find him driving my gt4 on his channel.
My video is just my impressions of the 992 which happened to also fit CMD’s content agenda
Love both cars, but sadly not in a position to have to choose between them.
Not yet Chris - 💪
One day mate... never say never
I like both cars but I'd have the GT4 all day. A driver focused car MUST have 3 pedals in my world, and natural aspiration is my preferred experience. Also, controversially I'd say that any Porsche with a GT badge should not be available in Silver, Grey or Black. GT cars should be yellow, blue, green or even pink. But silver.... woops sorry nodded off there.
Totally agree. It’s not a Preuninger car, but I got my manual Cayman T in lava orange. I’ve a manual Carrera S coming next year… that’ll be a manual in a vibrant colour as well. If you want a silver or black automatic sports car, I sincerely thing you should be in an AMG.
“Drivers Spec” PDK…. 😑 992 should have been ordered with a manual for a true drivers spec car
Acura nsx best car for the money everything else’s marketing quality always wins at the end
You can't get a Carrera S without PASM. Nothing really driver fociused about the spec of that car over standard spec for a Carrera S. Manual and buckets would be the driver focused options.
The GT4 is the incorrect choice out of these two.
driver’s focus and then pdk LOL.
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Did he just lick his interior clean on cam
so ?
which one you choose?
Gotta be the GT4 for me.. not bias! 😁
But i think Dale and I have chosen the car that best suits our current needs, so everyone's a winner
5:05 no, champ, this is not "driver focused spec"...for that, you'd have to start with the manual gearbox as a starting point...
...that little Braun shaver of a shifter is the opposite of driver spec 😏
I don't know, the GT4 is pretty close- but the 911, it's a beast! And Car Mad Dad made the smart decision of buying the 992 over the 991
Cheers Zayni - pleased with the decision so far 👍
Ye, 911 is the true daddy of Porsche!
Caymen will never be 911
got to be in recruitment?
nope
@@CarMadDad lol only joking with ya
It makes no sense to compare a 992 911 Carrera version "without GT" with a 718 GT4.
It's really "fucking surprising", that the 911 Carrera S is a much better daily driver than the 718 GT4.... Isn't it??!
#comparing apples and oranges...
They’re both exactly the same price range though 🤷🏻♂️
100k to spend, which would you have?
bet your fun at a party 👍👍
Big lats...
lmfaooo
9:11 to avoid all the talking
I see what you did there 👀 👍
Quickest way from A to B… man, wait until you drive a G82/G83/G80 Mcar😏
Way too much camera movement! Very Amateurish.
Sorry but I do not agree that a 992 is a daily driver. Noisy not even in a nice way, stiff suspension, just a 2 seater really. Had a C4S Cab and hated it. Wouldn’t have one given. My 2016 GT4 was amazing, but a none GT 911…keep it.
Private school boys talk bollocks about a 911
Yeah….cathart tee shirt and likely hasn’t broken a sweat during work a day in his life…..goes nicely with the Rolex they are both wearing…..if I had to guess, neither of them know squat about timepieces other than what brand is most popular among the other nouveau riche.
@@stms4411 Salty… keep dreaming behind that screen.
@@stms4411 public schooled - worked over a decade various roles including labor work on a site before going into business ownership - you keep pounding those keys though - working well for you no doubt 👍👍
@@johnguidetti5839 😁😁😘😘
Who could care less about a cup holder……I ask you ?
My thoughts... overpriced
Fair enough dude
I’ll never ever understand how can anyone buy an automatic 911 .. 🥲
Thats because you know ZERO about performance. PDK is the worlds best transmission. Hands down. Epic. So capable. Perfect programming. I have owned many DCT and manual cars. PDK is amazing.
@@02hreblue30 cool story
I guess it's the same reason F1 drivers don't drive manual F1 cars. To get the most performance out of your set up, a PDK version will outperform the manual version every time. By the way, I drive a manual Cayman S.
@@TheTigers00001 lmao
@@oscardriver Is that the best response you can come with? Lol!