Did I make a mistake? Comparing the Porsche 911 and 718 Cayman GT4 - OWNERSHIP review 4k ft MrHCars
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- A month or so ago I took delivery of my Porsche 911 (992) Carrera S. Having looked at various options including the BMW M3, Audi RS6, Toyota GR Yaris AND MANY MORE - I decided it WAS going to be a Porsche that replaced my BMW M2 Competition...
I whittled it down to the Cayman GT4 / GTS or the 992 911. Obviously I decided that the 911 was the best choice for me.
At the same time, little did I know that friend to the channel @MrHCars was also contemplating a change from his BMW M2 Competition.
Will recently took collection of his Cayman GT4 some time ago now. I have been watching his ownership with interest and more recently was fortunate enough to meet with will and film our ownership thoughts.
Join us as we both drive the alternatives car and give you our thoughts.
Obviously we both voted with our feet - but which would you choose???
porsche 911 (992) carrera s or porsche cayman 718 gt4???
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Great video guys. It was really interesting to hear from an owners perspective. A couple of months ago a decided to swap my 981 GT4 for something more useable. I tried a few 911s across 3 generations, and as amazing as the 992 is, I went with a manual 997 Turbo. I think it offers the usability and some of the refinement but still has that old school feel and of course, a manual gearbox. Ok the stereo is junk by modern standards, but there are solutions for that. What I really liked about the 997 generation is the compact size. The 991/2 just felt quite large to me. What I can say is that there isn't really a bad decision here. All these cars have their pros/cons and anyone fortunate enough to have the means to buy a Porsche can certainly find one that suits their needs.
Love this comment chap (and choice you made Personally) thank you 😊
Thanks dude!
Still in a Porsche, all that matters!
Well said! It’s a 911 either way, you’re winning 🙌
I've owned 5 911's included 993's, 997's, Turbo S etc. I now proudly have a 718 GTS 4.0 Boxster which I believe is the best sports road car Porsche currently make and a better looking cabriolet as it was designed to be one. It captures more of what original 911's were about...raw, visceral, exciting & petit...if not quite the steering feel. 991.1 onwards became a 'jack of all trades GT' to attract buyers from fast BMW's, Audi's etc or track versions, with either being too big & fast to exploit on UK roads. Snap one up while you can, they will soon be gone.
I agree chap - filmed one last year and was blown away
I had the 991.2 C4S and the 718 GT4 at the same time. For a spirited drive it was always the GT4 but 911 is waaaaay more practical and easy to live with (at least the 991.2).
Great feedback chappy - cheers
Enjoyed the video so much. Both are just great cars. Love that you didn't comment about the GT4 long gearing, so tired of hearing it. Instead, you go out and properly shift the GT4, and it sounded so good. To me, seems very close to the 997.1 GT3 gearing ratios. My 718 Spyder is arriving in a few weeks and one thing this video did is convince me that I need to get the remote valve controller, because I have no plans to replace the factory exhaust system.
Great to hear that it’s been of use D 👍
Cheers chappy
Agreed Daren!
I get so tired of hearing journalists talk about it and being an owner, it's not an issue at all!
And yes, defo get the controller! Best and cheapest mod for the exhaust
+1000
The 911 has the same gearing, so someone’s pissing down your leg😹
I'd probably always go gt4 if I had the choice but as you've said in the video, sometimes having a very focused car can just be a bit wearing. Really, I would be very happy with either car.
Both special and have their own strengths chappy. Each to their own… everyone’s a winner 🏆
I wouldn’t buy any cayman over a 911. There’s no way.
@@cato12You have no clue what so ever, GT4 RS rocks anyone’s boat.
@@clu4u idc about rocking boats. It’s not a 911. Give me a base 911 with no options before that cayman.
Oh what a brilliant video! Loved how happy you both were (especially when being driven hard in your own cars!). I have a Cayman GTS 4 and wouldn’t swap it for anything! Porsche are amazing IMO. Keep up the great work 👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
I went from. 991.2 GTS to a Spyder (GT4) and never looked back.
Great video - spot on! I went from 991 Carrera S to 718 GT4 and I agree with every point made - best daily sports car vs. best race car for the street.
Cheers fella
Appreciate the view / thoughts
The look on both their faces as they push the GT4 at the end ☺️☺️
I could listen to that engine all day
Agreed 👍
@@CarMadDadthe raw pure joy is awesome. I’m test driving GTS 4.0 vs GT4. Very hard decision but thank you both for your reviews
First world problems matey and a great one to have - no bad choice there 👍
@@CarMadDadCheers. Thanks for all the reviews
It makes me unpopular, but I tell everyone to turn on their speed warning. You hit 100mph so easily in modern, turbo charged, cars.
Yeah chap - agreed 👍
I had to turn it off… it goes off nearly every time I drive 😂😂😂
Turn on the speed warning? 😂 Really?
I have this turned on in my base model golf…..
I had the same dilemma before I purchased my 991.2 Carrera T. I really wanted a GT4 but it was too low for my driveway and I feel like it was a weekend only car - whereas the 911 is a dailyable car. I ended up selling the 911 for a bundle and have a Taycan now so I went the complete opposite direction, but someday I want to add an air cooled or a Metzger 911 (turbo or GT3) to the garage. I miss having a 911.
Awesome thoughts chappy
911 T could be the perfect middle ground 🤔
It was great watching this video, but the 992 reveals its soul on twisties, not just when putting the pedal to the metal on straight roads. I nevertheless agree a Cayman is a more fun car to drive, being smaller and with it’s midship flat-6. Especially with this wonderful normally aspirated 4.0 litre engine. You get the feeling it pivots through corners rather than turns, but then so does a 992 2 (and 4) CS with rear axle stearing ! Awsome cars, both of them.
Cheers chappy
Agree the 911 comes alive on the twisty stuff - difficult to show everything but on reflection I should have got this in… next time ay 🤔
GT4 hands down when use as pleasure weekend car, the 992 as daily a bit more boring in general oh well both great cars what more to say. Better handling and more the ultimate race feeling, lower, mid engine, manual tranny omg.
Love that intro 😂😂
Was great to catch up mate and finally get the 2 cars together 💙🤍
Agreed chappy
Again soon 👍
Great video! Similar car history. Stage 2 OG M2, too a 718 2.5 Boxster GTS, and currently a 981 GT4.
Boxster was extremely capable and faster, but not the same excitement or drama of the GT4, not to mention the noise.
Awesome - glad you enjoyed it
This is a fantastic video. Great comparison and spot on conclusion!
Cheers fella 👌
my GT4 gets delivered at the end of the year. I cannot wait.
Bet that’s been a long while coming chap - good news… TOTALLY worth the wait 👍
I am a bit late to the party but for me if it is your one and only car it’s the 911 all day but the GT4 I will be purchasing in 2023 will be a weekend car, just like my Ducati is my weekend bike. You have got to have something to look forward to at the end of the week!! My daily is an M2.
Well put chappy 👌
My daily is a Carrera S Manual Cab but there is always FOMO feeling for a GT4 or Spyder due to size. Nice review.
Agreed chap - thank you ☺️
The audio of this video is super dynamic through my iPhone 14. Must have to do with how you guys recorded! Pretty cool
Cheers Shayan - doing something right 😁
I do miss the NA flat six Carreras but it’s pretty cool how all Carreras are basically 911 Turbos lol
Never thought of it like that - like it 😛
Guys - great video. Just discovered the channel. This is the kind of real world review/chat that is great content. As someone who has a 992 GTS (manual) incoming (GT silver btw 😉) and also owns a 718 GTS 4.0 (manual) I found this comparison very insightful. Debate is do I need a PDK GTS 4.0/Spyder for the track action??
Cheers for the view and thoughts Jeremy.
Sounds like a tidy collection. Track action wise I think PDK is v capable however it depends what you want from a track car as I know some who prefer manual also (PDK for me but each to their own)
My track tool of choice would be a manual GT3 / GT4 personally
I appreciate the thorough and candid review. I’m leaning towards the 992 C2S to daily. I still have an E46 M3 6MT that I’ve thrashed for years; the coilovers, r compound tires, and intake satisfy the kid in me.
Also- nice watches! Is that a Sub and a GMT you guys are wearing?
Really appreciate the vie and comment chap.
Sounds like the E46 has served you well.
Good spot 🕰️
Drive it in manual mode, you’ll control better what the car does, speed included, and you’ll have more fun 😎
Agreed
I got my silver S three weeks ago. I think it’s amazing. However it’s not what I was expecting. It’s lighter than my previous car but I didn’t feel about that, the car is very low and gives back a lot of road feedback - which also gave a clear feeling on how heavy a car truly is. It feels heavy.
I also can’t tell what’s different about the rear engine setup yet, at least not on the public road - maybe because my previous car has a 50-50 distribution?
As for cornering, it’s awesome.
But at the same time, it’s serious, it’s expensive, it makes all the driving less enjoyable - unlike the way I can mess around in a Type R, golf R, which feels agile, light, cheap to maintain and I can push to their limit worry free.
Anyways I need some time to get used to this awesome car, don’t get me wrong, I enjoy every minute with it and I want to drive it every second.
Great to hear your enjoying the car - I agree with your thoughts - sort of the issue with all cars now - too fast for any UK roads… I’m heading to track soon - can’t wait to really let her loose!
Cheers for the view and comment
@@CarMadDad yeh good point. There was one or two moment where I stepped hard on the gas, it’s so satisfying but at the same time, draws a lot of (potentially unhappy) attentions. It’s really hard to unleash this on the public road, most of the time I feel extremely constrained.
Yeah agreed chap
Now Will you’ve already been given a red card for GT trolling but now Car Mad Dad has earned himself one for General Porsche trolling as well! In all seriousness great to see this colab even if I’m still sat in the M2C. Cheers, Kevin.
I’ll take a red in this instance K ❤️
Hope all is well chappy
😂😂 We'll see you in a Porsche soon mate
Great video, thanks for sharing. I had a 981 GT4 in Sapphire blue for about 31/2 years, it had the carbon bucket seats etc. The most stunning car I have ever owned. A track car for the road, it was my ‘weekend’ toy. The sound of it’s naturally aspirated engine - sublime. I sold it in April 2021 and put a deposit on a ‘base’ 992 Carrera in GT silver. 😀😀😀 I wanted something more ‘Road orientated’ and I haven’t owned a 911 before. The 992 is well specced and should be in the dealership next week - it’s been a long wait. Looking forward to experiencing a 911. Really enjoyed the video, both are outstanding cars.
Awesome Mark - v kind of you - bet you can’t wait for next week 😀
There’s some more 911 content on the channel if you are interested ☝️
@@CarMadDad Thanks so much for this. 👍
@@marklawrence9416 Mark…..I’m currently in the position you were in 8 mo ago.
I have my first C2 scheduled for delivery next week.
Sooo tell me what you think so far !?
I got it well optioned AND just happened to spot the extended range tank on the configurator……which, I think, was one of the most reasonable options I found. ( $230.00 or so..)
@@unclebob4964 HI, I picked my car on the 9th Sept 2022, four days later put it in the garage for the winter. 😢 Put it back on the road 1st April 2023. I’ve only put just over 450 miles on it, the weather in the UK has been awful.
The 911 is very impressive, incredibly planted - stunning to drive. Keeping revs below 4000 for the first few hundred miles.
I think you are going to enjoy your 911. 😀😀😀
@@marklawrence9416 Thanks, Mark. It must have been pure torture looking at that brand new 911 sitting in the garage…….but what a beautiful sight !!!
What color did you get ? ( Agate Grey on mine )
Yes, I will break it in as you and Porsche recommend…..I do not understand the “drive it like you stole it” mentality.
Thx for your reply.
Bob in Oregon.
992 fascia looks a bit awkward compared to that of the gt4. Perhaps it’s the shut line on the front compartment? Maybe the headlights? Hard to say…
Subjective opinion - bonnet line harks back to previous gen with squared bonnet line. A lot of “old vs new” in there. The GT4 is just proportionally stunning mind ☝️
May we always be little kids. Great video. My vote? 992 GT3 Touring.
Amen brother 👨🏻
Well done lads and best regards from a 981 Cayman S owner from Dublin.
Cheers fella 💪
Very nice comparison on the feelings and theater rather than focusing on performance. I have been wondering if I should swap my 718 spyder for a 997.2. I can’t digest the premium on a 997 GT3. I guess I’ll keep my NA 4.0 😊
Something more special for me about that power unit AJ 🫡
The GT4 is no doubt more fun, but the 911 is the reference for Porsche lovers. If you can afford one, the GT3 (or GT3 Touring) would be my choice.
If you can get a dealership to sell you one is the real cruncher dude
There is only one thing wrong with the GT4 and it is it’s not a 911. I test drove a C2S with an aero kit, very competent car. Very quick, but it just was not special enough for me. I daily an M3 and it felt like a better version of it. I sold my weekend GT4 and went for the GT3 as my second car. Back to the video, difficult choice between these two cars and I do think it comes down to what you value most and which cars you are coming from. Great vid, have subscribed now too 👍🏼
Sounds like a great choice chap (GT3)
Thank you for the view - comments and sub 👌
Do you still have the m3?
@@christmasisawesome9348 no chap - M2 had to go 😛
Brilliant review....GT4 for me as I've ordered one...
Cheers chappy - fantastic choice 👌
How long is your wait on the gt4? 2 years or so? I put my deposit on one today actually
being a passenger in yr own car, is big difference isn’t it ?
bit peculiar - yes
I came out a C4S in to a 981 GT4, for me the GT4 is way more fun
Yeah I can see how the 981 would rock lots of boxes
Keep up the great work! See you soon!
👋 👍
Great video guys, very enjoyable watch. 911 vs 718 4.0 hardest decision there is 😁💚
Hopefully a few will agree 👍
no it isn’t lol the GT4 is so much better value than a base 911. More power, better sound, more downforce and clubsport seats from the 918.
@@sean-yt8bm I don’t have a base 911, I have a manual 992 gts. My last car was a 4.0 boxter and have a 718 spyder on order. Trust me it’s a very tough choice. Lol!
Thanks dude!! 👊
That's a tough choice! But Porsche DNA is always there 👌
Both are fantastic, if I were in the market for a Porsche it would be a tuff decision.
Good problem to have ay!
Now drive a 981 GT4. The original, and the best!
That would be a good idea chappy 👍
My choice fell on a Boxster GTS 4.0 😎.
Not a bad one by any stretch of the imagination 👌
GT4 better track car and 911 better daily. Porsche is got something for everybody
Do should have made the video in 18 seconds 😂 👍
From the day the Boxster was introduced to the world, and the iterations that came from it, this form has always knocked the 911 out of consideration for me. It has the perfect proportions, curves, allure and sex appeal which IMHO the Carrera can not achieve. My GT4, in Guards Red and gleaming, now meets me every morning in my garage, and it’s beauty still embraces me. Does it need to be the fastest or have the longest d!@k? Nope. It knows it’s value, and it’s quiet self confidence is evident.
Cheers for the view and thoughts chappy 👌
Enjoyed the video. Welcome to the Porsche world. Interesting that Mr H picked up on the difference in the seats between the generations- its one of the first things I picked up on when I jumped from a 991.1 into a 992. The C4S eliminates the front bobbing that you get on older 991’s which is why I choose it in my older 991.1 and especially if you come from front engined cars or AWD Audi RS cars. But the 992 has all but eliminated that in this current generation. But its an idea for a future video. I still went with a C4S in the 992 as that had the options I was looking for at the time and I think they still make a driver focused car, just more sure footed in wet slippery conditions. Be interested to see / feel the difference between car with/without rear steer as hear differing opinions- useful in town driving / parking but is it noticeable on twisties and if so does it feel artificial. On the 991.2 it was a must have option but on the 992 with the improved steering rack speed and footprint is it required? I presume you also have the Lithium battery as a consequence of that option? - yet another topic for a future video The Goodyears are very decent road tyres and I rate them highly but start to show their weakness on a track day as similar to the Pirelli they heat up fast but can overheat compared to the Michelin P4S tyres. I switched mine out within a month as I went on a European road trip but made the most of them at Goodwood ! If u want to do a 4S vs 2S (both which have the sport design kit) - comparison let me know. All the best Jungle.
Cheers for the view and thoughts chappy. Interesting in the rear wheel steer. I think there car is v good without it and based on my limited time to compare them the rear wheel steer simply helps massively at lower speeds (reduces turning circle) and at high speeds helps to reduce steering input which a few people deem “less engaging”
Arguably - rightly so 👍
I like it though 👍
Always get the 911.
Works for me chappy 👌
Exact review I was looking for! I'm cross shopping these two models and both seem like a great choice. Do you know which model would be more reliable and lower maintenance costs?
Hi chap 👋
I’m sorry I’m not sure on comparative costa however I would imagine the 911 trumps on economy due to the turbo charging if you GT the car. 👌
@@CarMadDad thanks for the reply!
@@lotusupra Anytime chappy - cheers for checking out the channel x
What about a manual 992 Carrera S?
Hopefully coming soon 🙏🏻
Bought a gts 4.0 cayman and i am missing the extra RPM for sound. But i dod not want to have the spoiler :-/ Currently i would only buy a GT3 over a cayman. Would not buy a 992 turbo s over a cayman even!
I wonder though if a boxster is as fun as a cayman. the space i sacrifice for removing the top was to high for me. But how compares the sound in the car and the driving feeling?
The sound of the GT4 is superior chap - longer Rev range and just more theatrics across the board. Driving feel is also different. The cayman feels far more on edge however the 911 feels the more capable of the two (although feels heavier in a corner)
@@CarMadDad not sure if we talk about the same.
I agree that the cayman 4 liter motor is way more fun than any 911 992 motor except the 4 liter of the gt3.
I bought the cayman gts 4,0 with a 7800/min cap and 20 horses less due to the chip. The gt4 goes to 8000/min and gets the last 20 ps on 7600+/min.
The gt4 rs instead has a cap at 9000 just like the gt3. The additional horsepower comes from many extras an therefore the gt4 rs is much different on the engine than a gts4.0 or the gt4.
But the gts4.0 and the gt4 are quite similar. The gt4 has its main differences on the exterior.
Boxster and Cayman are the exact same car, so you wouldn't notice any difference in handling. However, yes, the open top experience could make it more thrilling as you're able to hear the exhaust note a lot more + more wind noise etc.
I've not been in a gts4.0 so cannot comment - but i imagine they're relatively the same engine wise. Only thing the gt4 would really differ is the handling.
I've been in a 2.5L gts and the front end grip and overall suspension was a lot softer... which i imagine the 4Lgts is like.
I'd like to think you're not missing much from the extra RPM - but again, i've not been in one myself 😕
The GT4 is the better Porsche, just as the Tudor GMT is the better watch than a original Pepsi, this is from the prism of better value proposition. Nice content
Cheers chappy 👌
haha I love the watch reference!
Personally the Pepsi wins because it's not quite as chunky 😉😉
Nice video, but there is sadly almost no sound for the whole 911 driving part, for some reason. It just sounds like wind noise.
Sorry to hear that chap - I’ll check it out
Good news - I’ve made a few other pieces of content in the 911 👍
@@CarMadDad Hmm I just rewatched your video on my phone this morning, because I really wanted to hear that 911 part as well and sound was absolutely fine this time for the whole video.
So it seems to be only a problem watching video on PC with bluetooth headphones. Seen few other guys saying the same in comments. Have no idea what it can be. Maybe something on my end.
Anyway thanks for answer even on year old video, looks like you really care about your channel, will check other videos of yours for sure.
What a beatiful spec you got there. I think having Sport Design front bumper is an absolute must on 992 otherwise they look bit weird with those huge plastic parts. I see you even got the front lip painted in body colour which is normally cheap plastic look like. Really details like these transform the car. If we don’t speak about PTS colours Gentian Blue and GT Silver are my absolute favourite, what a joy to see two GT Silvers next to each other. Keep up the good work and wish you all the best :)
Appreciate all the above dude - onward and upward 👍
Wait until you take a turn at high speed in that 911, the back end is going to swing out on you. The GT4 will not do that, being a mid engine car. I have driven both on the track (Mosport, Ontario, Canada) and I own the 718. The 718 is more a high powered go cart you can take on the road, much more fun than the "cruising" 911.
I’ll soon find out later this month chap 👌 🚘
One day my friends…one day she will be mine. I don’t care how long I have to work for…I will own that gt4.
I dont doubt it buddy x
@@CarMadDad thanks for the video and enjoy the cars
I'd buy Both!
Absolutely 😂
For similar money and for a Manual shift car that can be daily driven, what would you get now?
I'm in a slightly modded C7 Z06 and with 600whp, I just don't get the opportunity to hammer it more than once a month, if I'm lucky. The roads here just aren't as open as they were 10 years ago.
Sounds like a cracking machine chap - enjoy ☺️
@@CarMadDad ha Thanks, it would be better if I could get through some gears! In retrospect, which car would you go with if you had to re-buy one today? I've been looking at manual P cars for quite a while.
Tough one…
I love the GT4 - defo on the list.
However also a gen 1 v8 Audi r8 (gated manual) could do the trick 👍
@@CarMadDad Ah, I didn’t know it had a gated manual! Off to search
Enjoy 😉
That was a little strong on my part; my apologies.
Accepted 👍
GT4 for now.
Great choice 👌
Sound completely went for a section
Any idea where chap - seemed fine in mine?
Turbo power! 992S 💪
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I can't hear any audio from the first car
Weird chap… Have you tried headphones?
I can’t hear the first bit either
Get a Carrera 4s Manual. Best of all Worlds
So I hear chap 🤔
Their girlfriends must be twins 😂
If only 😉
718 SPYDER VS THIS GT 4.
Absolutely
There’s no way I’d buy a cayman over a 911. I’d take a base 911 Carrera over a 718 gt4 all day.
each to their own chappy - cheers for the view and thoughts
So did you make a mistake?!
Not for me personally chappy - no. Both are v special in their own right - everyone’s a winner 🏆
Your sound wasn’t working for about a third of this video…
Sorry Luke
Appears to be a “right / left” issue
Have sorted in future stuff
All a learning curve 👍
No u didn’t cuz the cayman looks better
Subjective… but thanks
buys non manual porsche...
Needed a daily covering 20k miles per annum …
MF Ghost
Not sure I follow?
A Cayman is a great car with feminine features. 😂😂
I’m a big fan of most feminine features 👌
Sitting on the front end of a new 911! Get off the car dude.
Happy as I am - but thank you ☺️
They are both overpriced so who cares...
Thanks for the positive energy dude - feel free to frequent elsewhere 👍
@@gurujojo8992 Cheers for the heads up chap - quite the existence 😂😂
@@gurujojo8992 I have daily driven a GT4 for 7 years and am very happy. Mind you I dont crawl round in rush hour traffic. It just trips to the tennis club and more fun stuff.
Andres Mattos, They are over priced if you are low paid, which obviously you are.
Poor Porsche guys that are impressed by a Porsche exhaust sound. I much prefer the sound of a NA Ferrari. Guys, this engine noise is not really much to be honest.
Sound isn’t great from either car in comparison to the NA equivalents - especially in earlier cars. But it’s good enough for me as a daily 👍
911 all day long...
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Nope, 981 Spyder here…