Can we just applaud Porsche for doing their own thing, while continuing to make some of the best cars in the world? I mean what other company makes 2 4.0L engines, that are completely different than one another? Just let that sink in.
It just follows clarksons old Porsche argument. Porsche went so far to make the boxster/cayman inferior to the 911 that they went out of their way to produce a different (inferior) 4.0 flat six.
@@karlvanginderdeuren4009 I've been into Lotuses forever, but are they going to even continue being supported much longer? I'd love an Elise, or maybe even an Evora.
Best weekend fun car - also track on the market right now - mid engine: check Manual: check Funfactor: check Design: check Right size: check Love the GT4
I'd have the Boxster Spyder over any GT3, at the end of the day the 718 is mid engined so better balanced, it's smaller and you can use a lot more of it than you can a GT3. That said, GT3 Touring would be my second pick, if I had to have a 911.
@@TheTexasOiler nice! I've got my E92 M3 in the garage then my modded 335i as my primary daily. I recently drove a 718 base and it blew me away! I can imagine myself really enjoying the great drivers qualities and feel of a 987 or 981 though 🙂
@@micraw714 e92 is that the one with the v8? If you have the v8 with a manual.. people are claiming that's gonna become a classic car. Since it's the last m3 with v8.
They always say with RUclips: either entertain or educate. You’ve done both here, Matt. Your experience is pouring out of you. Great stuff. Thanks for making this.
@@spike_021 Issue I have with the 86 is the dead spot and nothing special sound wise at the top of the rev range like VTEC Hondas, otherwise great car.
I mean it's one of the last of sports cars that's N/A and has manual gearbox, on top of that it's mid engined and from Porsche. It's well worth that price.
I now have about 8000km on mine since December. Almost all of them in the Swiss Alps or Black Forest. Perfect size for those roads. And I can't say that the gearing has caused any issues. Even with shorter 2nd and 3rd gears you'd be only using those given the speed limits. It's not going to change the amount of shifts that much. The stock gearing is well spaced and also suited for motorway driving and road trips.
@@W33Dblazer When it comes to that, 1st would be enough 🤣 But our alpine roads are usually quite a bit narrower. More like the Malibu roads. But with a much bigger drop. So actually, the legal speed limit is ok for the most part.
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@@subnegro4946 if I recall the 4c also had an inferior suspension design that prevents it from handling as well as a lotus with double wishbone suspension
Agreed. I have a Spyder coming in August to replace my 2016 GT4. I love my GT4 but miss not having a convertible. My GT4 is currently for sale. I'll miss her when she goes.
@@seinsmeld13 I like the speedster, but not the prices they call for it up. But as i allways get a stiff neck + sniff by open cars, i stick to the ones with roof.
Listen, buddy: all the Porsche 992 911 versions are smaller than a Corvette and smaller than the Aston Martin Vantage. How about that? The Porsche is smaller, despite being a 2+2 vehicle! How much "smaller" should a Porsche 911 Carrera be, in your opinion...?? Some people really tend to repeat the weird but boring "opinions" from other annoying smart asses way too often... ;-) The 911 can't be much smaller, because of bigger customers, so easy is that. Porsche would never make the mistake, to build the 911 in such a crappy and unusable size like these way too small sports cars Lotus Elise and Exige, which maybe are fun to drive but are totally bullshit and unusable as a daily driver. The Cayman GT4 isn't that smaller than a 911 Carrera! Just compare the width of the dashboards of these two cars! And maybe just think about these customers, who have the same length like Matt Farah... Bigger drivers like him wouldn't be very delighted, if the 911 would be much smaller. As a daily driver the size of the Porsche 911 is just perfect.
I was lucky enough to drive this car years ago when they first came out at a Porsche experience event in ATL. I owned a 8th gen civic si with a fully built bored out motor. This car felt like a grown up version of my car. I am a grown up now. I will own this car one day. Mark my words inner self.
Got myself a Manual shirt, a Manual socks and Manual stickers. Absolutely gonna support that company and you, especially because it's attached to this wonder of a video. GT4 is absolute dream car status
Simplest way to explain the difference between a GT4 and a GT3 engine 718 GT4 : a 4.0 liter NA conversion of the 911 Carrera's 3.0 liter Turbo 911 GT3 : a road-legal conversion of the racing 911 RSR engine
If you can wrench start with a 924/944 (turbo if you're lucky!) they can be great cheap Porsche fun if you can keep em running. Which isn't impossible, and is well worth the time once you're smiling behind the wheel :)
You can't compare new laptimes from the Nordschleife with those from 16 years ago - not even 5 years ago. The track has been overhauled many times since then - better and flatter surfaces etc. - so it is a lot faster - even with the same car, same tires, same conditions.
@Wolfgang. 👍absolutely correct. In addition, tire technology continues to improve. You put a set of fresh tires on a Carrera GT and there is no way a GT4 is keeping up. I don’t see how it would be possible. I don’t believe brake and suspension technology has expanded so vastly as to where the CGT would struggle.
Why do you feel comfortable living at the red line in press cars but not in your own car. Is it because it's bad for the engine and you don't wana ruin your own car? Or is it because your afraid to wreck your own car and not the afraid to wreck a press car? If anyone think they know the answer please reply. Thanks
PDK is out already on the configurator. Roughly a $3200 option to add over manual. Appears Porsche also moved away from the Alcantara brand to Race-Tec (similar product). Also, 'Paint to Sample' (PTS) has also been added if your want to spend an additional $12K.
The GT3 is just a other level and thas there fore also a other price tag. ruclips.net/video/f4gghnwAMvw/видео.html The new GT3 gets a odd rear spoiler. ruclips.net/video/9ZBqpEs8Bjc/видео.html
Although my ultimate dream car is a GT3 Touring and I know my pocketbook will probably never allow me one, the GT4 looks like it will fill my need😎 Great review Matt
I owned the 2013 base model 981 for about 4 years. I would say that all of these naturally aspirated motors love being up there in the high end. The 2.7 only had 200 pound*feet of torque. It came alive and was super fun anything above 4000 RPM. And, yes....2nd and 3rd gear is right where they like it for canyons.
Food for thought: We can't complain about a stretched gear relation for a car that was meant to track, we all know that this will make the difference in lap' battle, for example ! C'mon...buy something else, it's just perfect as it sir. Good review.
You probably like tape players in your car and princess dial phones and adjustable valves and adjusting carburetors all for greater engagement. Shifting takes most people about three days to learn- not rocket science - lots of high school girls all do it too!
I love being able to gauge how obscenely fast Matt is driving just this one video, from the gearing discussion. Like ohh yeah there's third revved out again.. :D
He was definitely buzzing by, but the car was just taking it so ridiculously smooth. Almost mesmerizing to see the reflector markers whizzing past the camera.
I'd take the Boxster Spyder too, as my idea of the perfect sports car, is a convertible, but, this is probably still the best hard top sports car on the market right now.
“If you have a GT3 or a 2016 GT4, wait till the next one” really interested in the reasons for that comment. What does he expect the next gen will feature?
Xan I really think/hope that porsche is trying to keep the GT division NA (with the exception of the GT2 of course). This new flat 6 is good for almost a decade of EU emissions regulations with the particulate filter so idk why they would go turbo before that expires.
The future of the cayman is unknown. Porsche is doing tests for an electric version behind the scenes and are considering a new cheaper entry level sportscar (which might keep the current 4 cylinder engines). This might be the last GT4 as we know it. People from the GT division pointed out they really want to stay naturally aspirated though.
@@lexus_offroad_adventures only thing that might be able to save flat 6's (especially if they come with a manual) is electronically controlled cam timing like on the Koenigsegg Gemera. That way the so called "eco mode" can be down tuned extremely hard in order to meet emissions. Going off how the next M3/M4 after the G8X seires is going to most likely be 4 cyl with hybrid assist, most likely Porsche would be going a similar route eventually
I'm new to German cars ,I recently got a used 2001 Audi A4 Quattro and it came with a Universal HKS exhaust system with HKS headers ,I never dyno'd it but it feels fast when I'm on 2nd and 3rd gear !.
Yeah Doug gets more viewers, but you get the people that appreciate the car and the drive a lot more! Gonna be looking for one of these used with the sweet gearing when my Giulia comes off lease!
Picked the GT4 over July and brought it to canyons and race track. Car is really comfortable. The only down side of the car is the exhaust note are very boring due to the GPF filter installed from the factory.
I’ve driven the original GT4. Amazing car in the canyons but I think I’d get the upcoming GTS 4.0 over the GT4. The GTS 4.0 is going to be the easier car to live with.
If a GT4 popped up with the Shark Werks regearing I'd buy it, I don't think that's going to happen so it's looking like a manual GT3 or the 718 Spyder, whichever comes along with the right spec first.
Matt, no doubt the gearing is tall, but in terms of high speeds at redline in 2nd and 3rd gear, isn’t the same true of the GT3? I think 2nd in that car tops out around 80 and third around 110. That’s in the same ballpark of the GT4 but the GT3 never receives that complaint. What do you think?
Nice car and rolex gmt nice mechanical watch like the manual 6 speed. It's a grand tourer that's why gearing is taller. The after market gearing is work for daily driving. Thanks for sharing.
The perfect tire for any condition is the PS4S , installed those on my 981 GT4 and now wet, cold or hot the grip is there and the rears are 305, cup 2s are only better for track use plus they last only around 10K miles
Disagree about the wing risers. With the standard risers you can see over the wing. With any of the wing risers it blocks the very top of the rear window so you can't see very far. You also can't see the driver of the car that's following you. You'd have to go up around 5" over stock to completely unblock the rear view. In the end I went for RSNV risers because they look in proportion, they are well made and are the best price.
Thanks man! That is true - to be FULLY out of view, they would need to be disproportionally tall. With the RSNV's, they're out of the center of the field of view, but also not blocking the entire top portion, so you still get a sliver of the further view as well.
I'm a GT3 guy but friend races prepped (track only) Cayman. These cars are purposely held back, with built motors these blitzkrieg tracks, its the balance and handling. If you could only just get the GT3 block as an option lol, and still do the trans mod which is basically mandatory, it would be basically the best sports car available.
I'm on my second Cayman currently - 987.2S in manual. I'm lasting for Ferraris and such, but honestly this car fulfills almost all of my sports car desires. I have a good aftermarket exhaust, so if you trade speed for gear rowing it's probably as satisfying as the above 718. No question GT4 is the better car, but it's also probably the best sports car in the world.
I own one and found the gearing to not be the MASSSIVE issue that folks are making it out to be. I am doing mountain driving in NC.And I can see out the back just fine. In addition, 85% of max torque is there at 3,000 RPM, 90% at 4,000 RPM and 100% at 5,000 to 7,000 RPM. So the most torque advantage you would gain with a different gear set ($8,000 to $10,000 as I understand it) is 5% or so. You'd get more revs though!!!! Torque delivered through the gear ratio is what accelerates the car, so it would be faster in your 2nd gear acceleration, but you would have an ealier shift. With 12 years of car racing experince I can tell you that he who shifts less is faster (unless PDK...). In closing, this is the best street car I have driven, my racing buddy rode with me on The Tail of The Dragon. His observations? Faster and better than a GT3. He has a GT3 RS and now a GT2 RS and multiple Cup cars. I also have the 718 GT4 Motosports race car.....but it's PDK.....
@thesmokingtire Porsche could learn a few things from Corvette or GM. Porsche could implement a camera rearview mirror & the PDR. Of course closer gears for both manual and PDK would be awesome and HP/TQ of GT2/GT3RS would be nice. A faster steering rack would be great too.
My friends at the Nordschleife have been watching Porsche run their test mule. The car needs close to 500 hp, a close-ratio manual gearbox and it'll become the perfect Porsche in my mind.
This has to be one of the most beautiful cars in existence. I think it comes down to it's proportions, absolutely spot on. Those wheels don't hurt either 🤩
Porsche claims 718 GT4 ring time of 7:28 with 245f/295r cup 2’s.... Porsche claims 718 GTS 2.5t ring time of 7:40 on 235f/265r 4s’s....What happens if you put the GTS on same size cup 2’s???
Great car. a friend has one. I have a manual GT3, so as you say no need to get this, but it's a truly special car. completely agree re the gearing, which is why I love my GT3. anyway, great review, looks awesome in yellow.
Love this car. Love this channel. Always fun to watch and always informative. Not only that, but you sound a lot like Malcolm Nance, the cyber-intelligence analyst who's one of my heroes these days.
Matt, what do you make of the new GTS 4.0 models? They're basically the standard Cayman/boxster with the engine from this car. The only difference being that they produce 394 hp instead of 414, and redline at 7.8 instead of 8; all through a software change. At the same price point as the c8, and with a manual gearbox, do you think they make sense?
Now I’m ready for a GT4 RS; put a real GT engine in it, fix the gearing, add a bunch of magnesium bits to help inflate the price and lower the weight. Boom! Perfect mid-engine sports car.
the GTS 4.0 is like $8-10k cheaper id just get the GTS since i don't really intend to go on the track to warrant the worse ride that comes with the car being stiffer
I wish Matt would have reviewed the PDK version. Im over 5 minutes in and he's still talking about the same gearing issues he talked out in the last GT4 review. I'm out, and gonna search for a PDK review since I'm not also about long ass gearing.
Good stuff as always, thanks ! Just one thing : in all these years you've been doing those tunnel sound recordings - has anyone ever told you that the viewers only hear distortion , with just a tiny bit of what the actual car sound might be ?
No ones gonna mention the Huracan Performante at 4:34 on the side of the road. Also at 6:28 they are recording Matt, I found that kind of funny, you have a freaking Lamborghini Huracan Performante but you are recording a GT4.
I have a 981 cayman s manual and I love it to death. For some reason I like the sound of my car over this. My car has the sports exhaust too but for some reason this sounds bit more like a BMW straight 6 than a 981
I agree I love the way the 3.4 sounds. I drove it in a rented 991 Carrera. It sounds sooo good from inside the car. In the hills I chased a 981 boxster I think with sports exhaust because in the 911 with the windows up I could easlly hear the boxster crackle and pop on the downshift.
Quick note: it's 309 TQ, not 390 Serious question... From a strictly performance perspective... SS 1LE or GT4? I currently have a 18' 2SS 1LE and I love it from a performance standpoint. 3 more years and it will be time to trade in. Right now the replacement options are a PDK GT4 or the upcoming C8 Z06.
Goodness me I need one of these in my life!! Always had a Cayman S on the wish list (for when the kids are old enough to have their own cars and not need rear seats). I fear that this is so special I won’t be able to afford one but still. Wow
Awesome as always, Matt. If you go back to think about it, do you really think that it is quicker to reach the limit of a 718 than it is a 911? I’ve been thinking that the 718 is so balanced and confidence inspiring that any good driver would reach the limit of how fast they’re willing to corner on a public road in it very quickly and just feel stagnant there. It seems to require too much coldblooded racey driving to go where a 718 can go and it’s too dangerous to go there outside of a safe track. Or, did you feel that the car itself reached it’s cornering speed breaking point easier than a 911?
The stands on the spoiler can be cooler.....maybe carbon fiber color, and just wide enough on front and back of spoiler with no inside little bar, maybe ad a tiny red break light on the stand of spoiler to......maybe add a couple of little yellow 2 or 3 inch mini protruding spoilers on the back of the spoiler....like little wings......would make it look more spider type like
Check ours out - more of an OEM+ styling than you described, but looks proper. Like what the factory could have done. Carbon for risers works fine but isn't really optimal, less strength.
@@rsnv_co i am sure if i had one, i wouldnt be complaining about tiny details, but its fun to design your own style.........i think the porsches can be so much nicer, have you seen the video on the lamborghini boat....as an example, the lamborghini car they show on there is very attractive.....i think porsche has their shape right, just the wheels and lights n additions can be cooler
Funny to see Doug and Matt review the exact same car. Doug is the guy who drives his 2006 Hyundai Sonata to cars and coffee and asks a McLaren owner what kind of MPGs he gets; Matt is the guy that drives to a track day with a second set of wheels strapped to a rack on his 964 C2.
I have the 981 spyder but would only go up to the new car. Other then that at the price point, i don’t see anything interesting. Add catless headers and a tune and you really got something.
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Can we just applaud Porsche for doing their own thing, while continuing to make some of the best cars in the world? I mean what other company makes 2 4.0L engines, that are completely different than one another? Just let that sink in.
It's not a completely new engine though. It's just a bored out 3.0L Carrera unit with turbos taken out. It still is a marvel of an engine though.
It just follows clarksons old Porsche argument. Porsche went so far to make the boxster/cayman inferior to the 911 that they went out of their way to produce a different (inferior) 4.0 flat six.
every single american car brand lol.
John Stramiello that on paper sounds like an issue but when you consider it’s much cheaper and it’s still a beast of an engine.
@@NoxiousPond 9A1 dies with the 991, I believe due to emissions.
This car is the ideal mid engine sports car. Some day I will pick one up on the used market.
@@karlvanginderdeuren4009 I've been into Lotuses forever, but are they going to even continue being supported much longer? I'd love an Elise, or maybe even an Evora.
@@freepeacesweet.7547 Not living up to your name lol, but who cares what *you* say ;)
I will to my friend. I will to
@@afrog2666 True true.
You are correct.
They haven’t gone down that much in value in canada, fuck can’t find one at an affordable price
Best weekend fun car - also track on the market right now -
mid engine: check
Manual: check
Funfactor: check
Design: check
Right size: check
Love the GT4
Idk man
Long gearing makes it damn near an automatic. You’re shifting for fun not cuz you have to lol.
I would take a GT3 because of the engine and gearing, but I think they are coming out with a gt4 RS
I'd have the Boxster Spyder over any GT3, at the end of the day the 718 is mid engined so better balanced, it's smaller and you can use a lot more of it than you can a GT3. That said, GT3 Touring would be my second pick, if I had to have a 911.
The competition to the GT4 is the Lotus Evora GT. Not many people know it even exists!
Cayman's are hands down one of the best drivng experiences 987 owner for 6yrs and I'm still in love
I found a really clean 08 987s locally with only 50k miles for 24k 😁 so tempted to sell my 335i and pick it up!
@@TheTexasOiler nice! I've got my E92 M3 in the garage then my modded 335i as my primary daily. I recently drove a 718 base and it blew me away! I can imagine myself really enjoying the great drivers qualities and feel of a 987 or 981 though 🙂
I like the Cayman but I feel like if I got one I would have fomo Everytime I see a 911
When I no longer need 911’s back seats for kids, I am going back to Boxster or Cayman
@@micraw714 e92 is that the one with the v8? If you have the v8 with a manual.. people are claiming that's gonna become a classic car. Since it's the last m3 with v8.
They always say with RUclips: either entertain or educate. You’ve done both here, Matt. Your experience is pouring out of you. Great stuff. Thanks for making this.
matt is banging that red line like a b series honda xD
i caught that too lol
Lol well it is a press car so fuck it just reel it out hahah
I kinda like the idea of revving the hell out of a sports car, reminds me of my S2000. Makes you really work for it.
That's how the BRZ/86 work but most people hate it lol
spike021 I was about to comment this. But I like it. I love my BRZ and being able to push it to 7/10 daily.
@@spike_021 Difference is, the S2000 sounds great, 86/BRZ doesn't
@@spike_021 Issue I have with the 86 is the dead spot and nothing special sound wise at the top of the rev range like VTEC Hondas, otherwise great car.
100% the way it should be. Fuck lazy power thats boring. No better feeling getting the maximum out of an N/A engine
I mean it's one of the last of sports cars that's N/A and has manual gearbox, on top of that it's mid engined and from Porsche. It's well worth that price.
Bravo on your comments regarding the limits of the car.
I now have about 8000km on mine since December. Almost all of them in the Swiss Alps or Black Forest. Perfect size for those roads. And I can't say that the gearing has caused any issues. Even with shorter 2nd and 3rd gears you'd be only using those given the speed limits. It's not going to change the amount of shifts that much. The stock gearing is well spaced and also suited for motorway driving and road trips.
@@W33Dblazer When it comes to that, 1st would be enough 🤣 But our alpine roads are usually quite a bit narrower. More like the Malibu roads. But with a much bigger drop. So actually, the legal speed limit is ok for the most part.
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You certainly haven't even check the gear ratios then.
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Bleib in deinen Schweizer Alpen
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@@franzbranntwein3722 Keine Angst, bin nicht von der Sorte. In Ortschaften fahre ich immer unter dem Limit und leise.
Since the Lotus Exige is not available in the US, this is the most fun sports car you can buy
Well said
@@aahsnowman2325 if it were for track use only it'd be no problem I'm sure.
@@subnegro4946 if I recall the 4c also had an inferior suspension design that prevents it from handling as well as a lotus with double wishbone suspension
Toyota 86. You can mod it how you want with the money you saved.
Iseenoobpeoples hell no. Get that broke high school student on a 10 year loan car out of here
The new 911 is just too big. The Cayman is the enthusiast's sports car
Agreed. I have a Spyder coming in August to replace my 2016 GT4. I love my GT4 but miss not having a convertible. My GT4 is currently for sale. I'll miss her when she goes.
@@seinsmeld13 I like the speedster, but not the prices they call for it up. But as i allways get a stiff neck + sniff by open cars, i stick to the ones with roof.
Thats what doug said
@@aly0072 Yeah doug is the expert. /s
Listen, buddy: all the Porsche 992 911 versions are smaller than a Corvette and smaller than the Aston Martin Vantage. How about that? The Porsche is smaller, despite being a 2+2 vehicle!
How much "smaller" should a Porsche 911 Carrera be, in your opinion...??
Some people really tend to repeat the weird but boring "opinions" from other annoying smart asses way too often... ;-)
The 911 can't be much smaller, because of bigger customers, so easy is that. Porsche would never make the mistake, to build the 911 in such a crappy and unusable size like these way too small sports cars Lotus Elise and Exige, which maybe are fun to drive but are totally bullshit and unusable as a daily driver.
The Cayman GT4 isn't that smaller than a 911 Carrera! Just compare the width of the dashboards of these two cars!
And maybe just think about these customers, who have the same length like Matt Farah... Bigger drivers like him wouldn't be very delighted, if the 911 would be much smaller. As a daily driver the size of the Porsche 911 is just perfect.
I was lucky enough to drive this car years ago when they first came out at a Porsche experience event in ATL. I owned a 8th gen civic si with a fully built bored out motor. This car felt like a grown up version of my car. I am a grown up now. I will own this car one day. Mark my words inner self.
Got myself a Manual shirt, a Manual socks and Manual stickers. Absolutely gonna support that company and you, especially because it's attached to this wonder of a video. GT4 is absolute dream car status
Thanks man, appreciate it!
I love how you told us what speed the gear maxes out on sooo when u hit 4th on a straight ima like 👀👀
Simplest way to explain the difference between a GT4 and a GT3 engine
718 GT4 : a 4.0 liter NA conversion of the 911 Carrera's 3.0 liter Turbo
911 GT3 : a road-legal conversion of the racing 911 RSR engine
I strive to become "Porsche People" one day
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@Angel You're the devil's advocate, Angel 😂 Your comment was hilarious
Yes sir me too. Success to strive for
I just started there today! It‘s possible if you really want to :)
Angel I don't it's quite funny lol
If you can wrench start with a 924/944 (turbo if you're lucky!) they can be great cheap Porsche fun if you can keep em running. Which isn't impossible, and is well worth the time once you're smiling behind the wheel :)
You can't compare new laptimes from the Nordschleife with those from 16 years ago - not even 5 years ago. The track has been overhauled many times since then - better and flatter surfaces etc. - so it is a lot faster - even with the same car, same tires, same conditions.
@Wolfgang. 👍absolutely correct. In addition, tire technology continues to improve.
You put a set of fresh tires on a Carrera GT and there is no way a GT4 is keeping up. I don’t see how it would be possible. I don’t believe brake and suspension technology has expanded so vastly as to where the CGT would struggle.
I’m thinking this is the ultimate daily! I use to be the guy that wants high hp vehicles but the Porsche do it with half the hp pretty amazing🏁🏁
Why do you feel comfortable living at the red line in press cars but not in your own car. Is it because it's bad for the engine and you don't wana ruin your own car? Or is it because your afraid to wreck your own car and not the afraid to wreck a press car? If anyone think they know the answer please reply. Thanks
Such an elegant machine to be driving! The manual gearbox, the scream, and just the overall performance makes this such a phenomenal vehicle.
PDK is out already on the configurator. Roughly a $3200 option to add over manual. Appears Porsche also moved away from the Alcantara brand to Race-Tec (similar product). Also, 'Paint to Sample' (PTS) has also been added if your want to spend an additional $12K.
Thanks, I'd get it in Auratium Green and satin good wheels.
I would buy this over the new upcoming 992 GT3, this generation of cayman GT4 is just better looking imo.
this actually looks like a "sports car" due to its smaller body. the 992 gt3 will be a fucking tank size-wise
@@SavageTriple7 the combination of the rear wing with the diffuser and the separated exhaust is pure perfection.
911s have really become more of a GT car since the 991. Or a great daily driver sporty car.
The GT3 is just a other level and thas there fore also a other price tag.
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The new GT3 gets a odd rear spoiler.
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I agree, the GT4 is the better car for the money. However the GT3 is just in another league. Other Thant that, GT4 all the way
I have definitely not seen Matt’s videos in a long time! Good on him for the weight loss.
The new GT4 is bad ass!
Although my ultimate dream car is a GT3 Touring and I know my pocketbook will probably never allow me one, the GT4 looks like it will fill my need😎 Great review Matt
Always loved the GT4. Will definitely add one to garage some day. NA, manual, 400hp, and looks great. Bravo Porsche!!
I owned the 2013 base model 981 for about 4 years. I would say that all of these naturally aspirated motors love being up there in the high end. The 2.7 only had 200 pound*feet of torque. It came alive and was super fun anything above 4000 RPM. And, yes....2nd and 3rd gear is right where they like it for canyons.
Food for thought: We can't complain about a stretched gear relation for a car that was meant to track, we all know that this will make the difference in lap' battle, for example ! C'mon...buy something else, it's just perfect as it sir. Good review.
You probably like tape players in your car and princess dial phones and adjustable valves and adjusting carburetors all for greater engagement. Shifting takes most people about three days to learn- not rocket science - lots of high school girls all do it too!
I love being able to gauge how obscenely fast Matt is driving just this one video, from the gearing discussion. Like ohh yeah there's third revved out again.. :D
He was definitely buzzing by, but the car was just taking it so ridiculously smooth. Almost mesmerizing to see the reflector markers whizzing past the camera.
I'd take the Boxster Spyder too, as my idea of the perfect sports car, is a convertible, but, this is probably still the best hard top sports car on the market right now.
Boxer spyder then twin turbo it
Hard top?
@@NoName-qp1op What would you call a car with a solid roof?
Sharky gonna keep making great sales on gears so long as Porsche stays the same.
it's a conspiracy lol
“If you have a GT3 or a 2016 GT4, wait till the next one” really interested in the reasons for that comment. What does he expect the next gen will feature?
The GT4 gets replaced every few years. It's not unlikely that this will be the last of its kind. 🤷
sad thing is, highly doubt it will have a flat 6
Xan I really think/hope that porsche is trying to keep the GT division NA (with the exception of the GT2 of course). This new flat 6 is good for almost a decade of EU emissions regulations with the particulate filter so idk why they would go turbo before that expires.
The future of the cayman is unknown. Porsche is doing tests for an electric version behind the scenes and are considering a new cheaper entry level sportscar (which might keep the current 4 cylinder engines).
This might be the last GT4 as we know it. People from the GT division pointed out they really want to stay naturally aspirated though.
@@lexus_offroad_adventures only thing that might be able to save flat 6's (especially if they come with a manual) is electronically controlled cam timing like on the Koenigsegg Gemera. That way the so called "eco mode" can be down tuned extremely hard in order to meet emissions. Going off how the next M3/M4 after the G8X seires is going to most likely be 4 cyl with hybrid assist, most likely Porsche would be going a similar route eventually
I'm new to German cars ,I recently got a used 2001 Audi A4 Quattro and it came with a Universal HKS exhaust system with HKS headers ,I never dyno'd it but it feels fast when I'm on 2nd and 3rd gear !.
That No Limit hat is legit. Ordered! Thanks for the content as always.
I’d love it if you did an episode about the sweet spot (400hp and 3000lbs) for a street car.
I love the meta stuff!
Its called a Corvette.
Yeah Doug gets more viewers, but you get the people that appreciate the car and the drive a lot more! Gonna be looking for one of these used with the sweet gearing when my Giulia comes off lease!
Does anyone know where this road is?! need to drive on this road
Picked the GT4 over July and brought it to canyons and race track. Car is really comfortable. The only down side of the car is the exhaust note are very boring due to the GPF filter installed from the factory.
0:48 That dog was like 'Who threw this here?! I better not catch anyone littering!"
Is this the same car Doug had? Just listened to the podcast with Doug and I were pretty jealous of him 😂
It is
Lol who listens to Doug. I dunno about everyone else but I watch him
Yep same plate.
Just an edgy guy you're right he's not a car guy, he's an ENTHUSIAST. Don't hate him because he's doing better than you
Prashanth Panicker dude owns a ford GT, had a 360, vantage and a CTS V wagon. safe to say he's into performance cars lol
I’ve driven the original GT4. Amazing car in the canyons but I think I’d get the upcoming GTS 4.0 over the GT4. The GTS 4.0 is going to be the easier car to live with.
my only issue with the GTS 4.0 is that its not that much cheaper than a GT4, but yeah id still take the GTS
Shaiyan Hossain exactly
in what way? fat seats?
Bro these modern sports cars are already pretty easy to live with and you are here telling me you need something even easier
Smh
Coming from two people who probably have never driven a GT4 but are going to tell me how easy it is to live with.
I got a 2.7l 987 last year and it's so much fun to drive. i can row through every gear and its great
If a GT4 popped up with the Shark Werks regearing I'd buy it, I don't think that's going to happen so it's looking like a manual GT3 or the 718 Spyder, whichever comes along with the right spec first.
Cayman GT4 is still my dream car, for now just settling on making some mods to my G37 and enjoying the NA motors while I still can.
Matt, no doubt the gearing is tall, but in terms of high speeds at redline in 2nd and 3rd gear, isn’t the same true of the GT3? I think 2nd in that car tops out around 80 and third around 110. That’s in the same ballpark of the GT4 but the GT3 never receives that complaint. What do you think?
I've got a b ase 2018 718, 6 speed manual and IT is a great little sports car. Could NOT imagine what the GT4 brings to the platform!
Nice car and rolex gmt nice mechanical watch like the manual 6 speed. It's a grand tourer that's why gearing is taller. The after market gearing is work for daily driving. Thanks for sharing.
Great review Matt! Still killing it and always love the Porsche reviews on your channel! Thanks for the honest, straight talk as always!
The perfect tire for any condition is the PS4S , installed those on my 981 GT4 and now wet, cold or hot the grip is there and the rears are 305, cup 2s are only better for track use plus they last only around 10K miles
Disagree about the wing risers. With the standard risers you can see over the wing. With any of the wing risers it blocks the very top of the rear window so you can't see very far. You also can't see the driver of the car that's following you. You'd have to go up around 5" over stock to completely unblock the rear view. In the end I went for RSNV risers because they look in proportion, they are well made and are the best price.
Thanks man! That is true - to be FULLY out of view, they would need to be disproportionally tall. With the RSNV's, they're out of the center of the field of view, but also not blocking the entire top portion, so you still get a sliver of the further view as well.
I'm a GT3 guy but friend races prepped (track only) Cayman. These cars are purposely held back, with built motors these blitzkrieg tracks, its the balance and handling. If you could only just get the GT3 block as an option lol, and still do the trans mod which is basically mandatory, it would be basically the best sports car available.
I'm on my second Cayman currently - 987.2S in manual. I'm lasting for Ferraris and such, but honestly this car fulfills almost all of my sports car desires. I have a good aftermarket exhaust, so if you trade speed for gear rowing it's probably as satisfying as the above 718. No question GT4 is the better car, but it's also probably the best sports car in the world.
In my humble opinion, this is the best looking new car on sale today.
Proud owner of a 981 Cayman S here. Best entry car to Porsche world, imo and I'm def upgrading to a GT4 once $$ allows.
I own one and found the gearing to not be the MASSSIVE issue that folks are making it out to be. I am doing mountain driving in NC.And I can see out the back just fine. In addition, 85% of max torque is there at 3,000 RPM, 90% at 4,000 RPM and 100% at 5,000 to 7,000 RPM. So the most torque advantage you would gain with a different gear set ($8,000 to $10,000 as I understand it) is 5% or so. You'd get more revs though!!!! Torque delivered through the gear ratio is what accelerates the car, so it would be faster in your 2nd gear acceleration, but you would have an ealier shift. With 12 years of car racing experince I can tell you that he who shifts less is faster (unless PDK...). In closing, this is the best street car I have driven, my racing buddy rode with me on The Tail of The Dragon. His observations? Faster and better than a GT3. He has a GT3 RS and now a GT2 RS and multiple Cup cars. I also have the 718 GT4 Motosports race car.....but it's PDK.....
Hey Matt, longtime sub here, love the vids and thanks for keeping them going. Ik times can get tough 👍. Looking forward to podcasts!!
@thesmokingtire Porsche could learn a few things from Corvette or GM. Porsche could implement a camera rearview mirror & the PDR.
Of course closer gears for both manual and PDK would be awesome and HP/TQ of GT2/GT3RS would be nice. A faster steering rack would be great too.
4:35 Would you rather be driving that yellow Lambo or just stick with this yellow GT4?
Lambo if I’m single Porsche if I’m married
bigbustyebony Makes sense. Thanks for the comment bigbustyebony
I support you! That doug interview was great!!
This thing is a joy to drive. GT4 RS is going to be an absolute mosnter.
Gt4 rs?
@@turbos7780 its coming soon bro.
My friends at the Nordschleife have been watching Porsche run their test mule. The car needs close to 500 hp, a close-ratio manual gearbox and it'll become the perfect Porsche in my mind.
*underpowered monster
This has to be one of the most beautiful cars in existence. I think it comes down to it's proportions, absolutely spot on. Those wheels don't hurt either 🤩
Porsche claims 718 GT4 ring time of 7:28 with 245f/295r cup 2’s.... Porsche claims 718 GTS 2.5t ring time of 7:40 on 235f/265r 4s’s....What happens if you put the GTS on same size cup 2’s???
Great car. a friend has one. I have a manual GT3, so as you say no need to get this, but it's a truly special car. completely agree re the gearing, which is why I love my GT3. anyway, great review, looks awesome in yellow.
Love this car. Love this channel. Always fun to watch and always informative. Not only that, but you sound a lot like Malcolm Nance, the cyber-intelligence analyst who's one of my heroes these days.
How does this cars gearing differ from the 997gt3?
No one ever complains about the 997gt3’s gearing…
From where can the shorter gear set be obtained? I have a 981 and would love shorter gears while leaving 6 alone for highway.
sharkwerks is your friend
Matt, what do you make of the new GTS 4.0 models? They're basically the standard Cayman/boxster with the engine from this car. The only difference being that they produce 394 hp instead of 414, and redline at 7.8 instead of 8; all through a software change. At the same price point as the c8, and with a manual gearbox, do you think they make sense?
Hey Matt, not sure if you know but this car you drove (or a similar Porsche factory car) is for sale at Porsche Monterey for MSRP.
Do you think the gearing is to meet fuel economy requirements?
WOW!
3.0L to 4.0L stroker is a quite big stroker.
33% increase in desplacement.
The secret is apparently using the first gear not for take-off only but for closed corners too! (Janko Lind Review)
I read some where stating Porsche said the reason for the gearing in this car is emissions. The 997 GT3 also had very similar gearing.
Now I’m ready for a GT4 RS; put a real GT engine in it, fix the gearing, add a bunch of magnesium bits to help inflate the price and lower the weight. Boom! Perfect mid-engine sports car.
What about the more affordable 718 GTS 4.0 instead of the GT4/Spyder if you're going to mostly use the car as a daily and in the canyons?
the GTS 4.0 is like $8-10k cheaper
id just get the GTS since i don't really intend to go on the track to warrant the worse ride that comes with the car being stiffer
I wish Matt would have reviewed the PDK version. Im over 5 minutes in and he's still talking about the same gearing issues he talked out in the last GT4 review. I'm out, and gonna search for a PDK review since I'm not also about long ass gearing.
Would you get the PDK instead because it will have proper gearing?
Love you, love the Heel and Toe gear! So happy for all of your success!
Good stuff as always, thanks !
Just one thing : in all these years you've been doing those tunnel sound recordings - has anyone ever told you that the viewers only hear distortion , with just a tiny bit of what the actual car sound might be ?
Matt! You said 390 torque at 5000 rpm, I believe it's 309 ft-lb @5K
No ones gonna mention the Huracan Performante at 4:34 on the side of the road. Also at 6:28 they are recording Matt, I found that kind of funny, you have a freaking Lamborghini Huracan Performante but you are recording a GT4.
That thing is geared like a c6 z06. It works in the vette because of the torque on ls7 but on a flat 6?
I was waiting for this video, yesterday Sunday morning with my coffee.
Si is there a review with shorter gear ratio mod? Matt, please? Maybe comparison on track...
I have a 981 cayman s manual and I love it to death. For some reason I like the sound of my car over this. My car has the sports exhaust too but for some reason this sounds bit more like a BMW straight 6 than a 981
Probably has to do with the OPF filter, it is required over seas but still is present on the US cars
I agree I love the way the 3.4 sounds. I drove it in a rented 991 Carrera. It sounds sooo good from inside the car. In the hills I chased a 981 boxster I think with sports exhaust because in the 911 with the windows up I could easlly hear the boxster crackle and pop on the downshift.
Quick note: it's 309 TQ, not 390
Serious question... From a strictly performance perspective... SS 1LE or GT4? I currently have a 18' 2SS 1LE and I love it from a performance standpoint. 3 more years and it will be time to trade in. Right now the replacement options are a PDK GT4 or the upcoming C8 Z06.
@17:08 coming up it looks like a F360 or 430 from back in the day.
Yellow and the vents
So what is the cost of parts and labor to fix the transmission gears?
One of my favorite porsches of all time and it's stick
Goodness me I need one of these in my life!! Always had a Cayman S on the wish list (for when the kids are old enough to have their own cars and not need rear seats). I fear that this is so special I won’t be able to afford one but still. Wow
Awesome as always, Matt. If you go back to think about it, do you really think that it is quicker to reach the limit of a 718 than it is a 911? I’ve been thinking that the 718 is so balanced and confidence inspiring that any good driver would reach the limit of how fast they’re willing to corner on a public road in it very quickly and just feel stagnant there. It seems to require too much coldblooded racey driving to go where a 718 can go and it’s too dangerous to go there outside of a safe track. Or, did you feel that the car itself reached it’s cornering speed breaking point easier than a 911?
im concerned about low power at the lower RPM is it okay for road driving when you don't wanna rev high?
Would you go from a lighter 2.5 GTS that can easily be modified or std 71& GT4?
what gear set ? as you cannot change 2nd !! and AQ final drive is imo is a tad TOO low. you need a final drive at about 15% lower and anew 6th gear.
The stands on the spoiler can be cooler.....maybe carbon fiber color, and just wide enough on front and back of spoiler with no inside little bar, maybe ad a tiny red break light on the stand of spoiler to......maybe add a couple of little yellow 2 or 3 inch mini protruding spoilers on the back of the spoiler....like little wings......would make it look more spider type like
Check ours out - more of an OEM+ styling than you described, but looks proper. Like what the factory could have done. Carbon for risers works fine but isn't really optimal, less strength.
@@rsnv_co i am sure if i had one, i wouldnt be complaining about tiny details, but its fun to design your own style.........i think the porsches can be so much nicer, have you seen the video on the lamborghini boat....as an example, the lamborghini car they show on there is very attractive.....i think porsche has their shape right, just the wheels and lights n additions can be cooler
Funny to see Doug and Matt review the exact same car. Doug is the guy who drives his 2006 Hyundai Sonata to cars and coffee and asks a McLaren owner what kind of MPGs he gets; Matt is the guy that drives to a track day with a second set of wheels strapped to a rack on his 964 C2.
Great review! I am not really a Porsche guy but THIS Cayman GT4 is SWEET!
For godsake get a gimbal when walking around the car. I get seasick from the shaking.
I have the 981 spyder but would only go up to the new car. Other then that at the price point, i don’t see anything interesting. Add catless headers and a tune and you really got something.
Great review! these videos make car buying so easy, thanks for providing the insight!