Getting Coffee In A PDK GT4: Is It Better Than A Manual?
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- I get behind the wheel of Porsche's automatic 718 GT4, the first time the GT4 has been offered with a PDK gearbox. Question is, is it better than the amazing manual gearbox?
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True to their Motorsport roots, the 718 Cayman GT4 and 718 Spyder share a track-bred Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) setup with adaptive dampers, helper springs on the rear axle and a ride height that is 1.18 inches (30 mm) lower than a standard 718 Boxster or Cayman. It also allows for manual adjustments of camber, toe, ride height and anti-roll bar settings. The front axle is taken from the 2018 911 GT3, while the rear axle is a specific design for the GT4 and Spyder. The brakes on both models are adopted from the 911 GT3. The standard grey cast iron rotors measure 380 mm front and
rear. The optional Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake (PCCB) system features ceramic composite rotors measuring 410 mm in the front and 390 mm at the rear, providing a weight savings of approximately 50 percent from the cast iron equivalents.
At the rear, a standard mechanical limited-slip differential with Porsche Torque Vectoring (PTV) help maintain optimum traction. The GT4 and Spyder are fitted with specifically designed 20-inch wheels shod in UHP tires measuring 245/35 ZR 20 at the front and 295/30 ZR 20 at the rear. The wheels as standard on the 718 Spyder feature a silver finish, while the GT4 is equipped with wheels painted in Satin Platinum. Other wheels finishes are optionally available. ABS as well as electronic stability (ESC) and traction (TC) controls have been specifically calibrated for the cars and, as is typical for a GT model, ESC and TC can be switched off in two stages. The 718 Cayman GT4 is capable of lapping the “Nordschleife” more than ten seconds faster than its predecessor.
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FAIL. Should have got the manual transmission. In a few years when all these Porsches go electric people are going to be begging for the manual transmission cars.
Keep the porshe content coming mate. 😊👍
More to come!
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Yeah your right mate. Bit of a rookie error lol 😂
I just collected my 718 Spyder (PDK) about 10 days ago. Picked PDK because of the horrible gearing in the manual (plus I already own a manual 911). Love the car, still running it in, biggest complaint is the sound of the exhaust and the fact it goes quiet even when the sports exhaust is on. Will be sorting that very soon.
Yea. The pleasure of the new EU Emission rules. The cars must be now tested in the loudest condition available. So it`s not more allowed to get louder than that even with the exhaust "open". Special sound Emission rules are also on the horizon. They plan to put microphones beside the road and send you a ticket for being to loud. Like speed cameras. Just for sound. - Sad, sad ...
It goes "quite" on certain RPM/Gear Combinations (So it depends on speed) because of the noise emission tests you have to pass. You need to drive by a microphone in 5 meters distance with for example 50 km/h in the 2nd or 3rd gear - than accelerate full from that point. So at this point the the exhaust has to be "silent" enough to still reach the allowed max level. So it mutes it down for test.
@@marcnobel3938 that is just so bad! No aftermarket exhaust too now?!
Gearing issue on 718 can be easily fixed by aftermarket stuff.
There’s only a couple of MPH difference in the gear ratio’s. Matt Farah broke it down in his review on The Smoking Tire. I think the difference is that you’re more likely to use 1st gear in a PDK.
PDK must be one of the Best Transmission in the industry right now..!!
One of the best? It’s been the standard for years. 100 luanches in a Porsche turbo s then drive home. 3 launches in a mclaren then call tow truck. Lol
It always as been 👨🏻🚀
Ferrari a very small step behind.
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As a manual purist, I would only take PDK or DSG if I had to. But like what Henry said in the Save the Manuals video, speed isn't always everything.
Porsche and manual gearbox enthusiast here: I agree with Sam. Given the very long gear ratios on the manual version, the PDK seems to be the better choice (unless they sort out the gearing). Great review Sam
Thanks for tuning in! Weirdly, I'd still want a manual Spyder ha.
There’s actually only a couple of MPH difference in the gear ratio’s. Matt Farah broke it down in his review on The Smoking Tire. I think the difference is that you’re more likely to use 1st gear in a PDK.
PDK is the best choice if you want to track the car or if you drive in a lot of traffic. If neither of these apply, manual is the best choice by far for being connected to the car and driver engagement.
As much as I love manuals, as I’ve got older. Just a bit older than yourself Sam, I’ve leaned more towards automatic just because of traffic. I can’t be arsed with the clutch anymore, my next car is going to be an automatic for sure.
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I have a 2020 GT4 manual and also have a 2021 Honda Civic Type R (manual), I track both cars and have been racing since 1985. The long gearing issue has been WAY, WAY, WAY, WAY, WAY, WAY, WAY overblown. Just wanted to set the record straight, carry on.
wow we must be long lost brothers. i have a 2020 718 GT4 and 2018 Honda Civic Type R. grateful to have 2 of the best cars of the era
@@fiachamp Sweet! Glad to hear from another TypeR/GT4 brethren!
Whilst lots of waffle, the review of the GT4 was great. Thx. Been pondering a manual, never once owned an auto (PDK) in 53yrs. But maybe I should! Every review complains about the manual gear2, which puts me off buying one. Thanks again.
PDK if you want to go fast, and use it reguarly. Manual if it's one of many cars and looking for something to cruise/collect.
Absolute truth. In full auto, PDK is faster than most drivers will ever be if you are using the brakes properly, and Porsche makes very good brakes.
I'll never understand people who hate on modern automatics, especially the PDK. If I had to guess I imagine the majority of people who say that have never gotten the chance to try it out...the experience is extremely rewarding and enjoyable, and I have just as much fun with a PDK as I do a manual.
What do you think of this? I get the feeling those who cry out for manuals, who overly hype manuals, are either over the age of 35 or younger enthusiasts wanting to “fit in” with other petrolheads, who themselves want to fit in with older guys. I know manuals are getting ever so slightly rarer nowadays, but an automatic can be as engaging, or even more so than an old-school manual. Manual isn’t always, 100%, better and the must-have gearbox option.
@@magnustan841 Well said honestly, as usual old people wish everything could be the same as when they were young. Just because they like it more doesn't mean it's better.
Thanks Sam! Great timing, said the guy picking up his manual GT4 tomorrow….. 🤣
I'm old. I'm tired of shifting. Give me PDK any day !!
@Can do Life True. However i live in a mountainous region with hardly no traffic but way too many gear changes for my liking !!
Opposite here, I’m too young to drive an automatic. When my bones get old and everything hurts I’ll finally make the transition but till then, 6mt it is!
So... exactly the contrary to what you and Tony have been saying on the BTG podcast... Let's face it: PDK are just better. Cheers from Italy!
Haha! Face palm
A manual with shorter ratios would be better than either current option.
Sam ! Great video. You are one of the very few who can make promotional stuff watchable and interesting! Kudos
Ordered some coffee, looking forward to trying it
Hero! Hope you enjoy
Went from a manual 981 to a 718 PDK and honestly I love it.
Did you have a short shifter? That makes all the difference, put one on my 987 and the 981 Spyder has it standard. Everyone says, “Makes it feel like a rifle bolt”.
I drove two different PDK 911s. Both times I didn't even think about wanting a manual box.
I’m a Porsche enthusiast and you are bang on, perfect gearbox in my 991.2 gt3 for fast road and track.
Thats my dream 911!! Hope you enjoy it for life!
100% agree and exactly why I opted for a GT4 PDK as well! It definitely has a sense of urgency and immediacy. It's also quite a bit louder inside than I expected, although I'm still contemplating an exhaust upgrade.
Yeah, that was my biggest surprise as well. My 1st mid-engine car and in the GT4 there is nothing separating the cabin from the motor. You hear way more intake noise than in most.
As and Amg lover , and later founding the love for porsches . It was so cool following your channel these years, and seeing you from not considering porsches at all to become addicted to the brand ,😍 and the idea of Coffe was genius
Great content as always
Glad you think so!
I am from early 90s street manual racing car to automatic SUV to Tesla, now back to Manual GT4, nothing can compare to manual. The difference is ''I want'' and 'it want'.
tony is definetly going to say "I told you so!"
Haha wait until tomorrow's podcast
I now want to open a coffee shop like STG here in the US! Place looks awesome
You always make us laugh watching in the garage at lunchtime!.
Fab you now have your own blend of coffee! We are going to buy some !!!
Keep the vide coming.
Faster the car , requires-faster transmission to tap the best power output on the road ..
If u want to have fun driving without any lap time or 0-100 times in mind get a stick
It's upto the driver to decide
Agreed
Driven both (GTS 4.0) and opted for the manual, the manual just feels more special to drive to me, more rewarding and engaging, the pdk is definitely faster and the better option if you are in built up traffic quite often. Maybe I'm trying to justify my choice to myself but the pdk was just a bit point and squirt, which a Tesla does better 🤷
I completely agree.
Porsches and coffee, two of my favourite things 👍
Love going back and looking at the catalogue of vids. ☕👍🏼
I saw a gt4 in Tesco car park the other day and WOW! I was literally drooling
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I have huge respect for the PDK. I understand why it exists and what and who it’s for. If I had the scratch for 2 GT4s believe me I’d have both flavors, but I don’t and my passionate weekend driver’s heart has to go with the 6 speed. I’ll never tire of rowing my own gears. Maybe I’ll find a friend who’ll allow me to drive their PDK. 😂
How is the clutch on it/? mine is very tight. Not sure if this is the way its suppose to be
Manual GT4 here! Best for a Sunday hoon! Not too far from podium too! *wave*
I have to say one of my favourite videos you have put together, great content, you make it look so easy which it isn’t. 👍
1am here in Hawaii, but sleep can hold off a bit for a new video from Sam!
Aloha legend
What year is your Omega speedmaster? Would love to see you making a review of it ☺️
Get one! Maybe a GTS PDK to save a little amount of money...preferably with a JCR exhaust...
You know I never go that long without a Porsche...
Agree with you. I truly understand the manual driving experience, but there is no way I will skip PDK on Porsche. Their gearbox is excellent and brilliant. Every shift is just in a blink of an eye, while giving that nice kick on every shift. And the sound of it too
Yeah, that womp it makes is so satisfying. The worst thing about being into cars is that there is no single perfect car, and to satisfy every need/occasion you'd have to have like 8 different cars.
Paid Podium Cafe a visit and had an espresso with a scoop of ice cream on top. Delish! Very good coffee and cars.
As a lucky person who’s driven the GT4 in manual, no way this PDK compares. That’s the BEST manual box I’ve ever rowed, better even then the S2000….it’s incredible.
Could that geezer that runs the barn be anymore cliche
Rah where’s my baccy! In all seriousness it’s a lovely place!
The idea of porsche enthusiasts hating the PDK is overblown and really doesn't even apply. There are "manual" enthusiasts but porsche enthusiasts don't mean you can't love the PDK. 2015 991.1 GTS PDK owner and lifelong manual lover.
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T Henry’s Car barn it was good to glimpse a classic Fiat 500! In many ways whilst we chase around in ultra horsepower fast cars the simple 500 is still very capable & very cool. I love my 1972 500!
I bought a 981 GT4 manual, after the original owner got the full DeMan 4.5 conversion with shorter gears, cage, exhaust, LSD and 554 bhp. I’ve got 3 other Porsches with PDK’s. This one is the most fun to drive, and the least comfortable. Choose your pleasure or poison.
Yellow stripe on the steering wheel is doing my head in, why isn't it red?!
Already Too much red in the interior, don't you think so ?
@@lollypop9580 I agree actually, the red section on the door card is too much for me. The yellow in my opinion is just too detached from the yellow calipers so doesn't sit right with me. I'd be tempted to change the door card to black (keep red stitches) and have the red stripe on the wheel.
I would also take mine as a PDK. Porsche is conservative on their reported specs. Car and Driver magazine, July/Aug 2021 tested 0-60 mph as 3.4 seconds with a PDK 2021 Cayman GTS 4.0 with 394 HP in a 3231 lb car. So the PDK GT4 with more HP may be even faster.
Weird that you have to buy your own coffee though.
I had a 99 Porsche boxster with the 5 speed tiptronic and it was a great trany.....I'm sure the 7 speed PDK is equally sweet.....And I don't know what the heck you were doing at the end there but you definitely need to practice your backing in skills.
I think calling them equally sweet is a bit rude to the pdk!
Sam your videos are SO aesthetically pleasing to watch I just adore it, all the insane work I'm sure goes into this is definitely worth it!
I’d choose the PDK too, but get the car in dark green if possible!💚
Green over tan interior 👌
@@10Tenths Aventurine green. 👍
I think I have a new favourite 👏🏻
A fun Twiggy On Tour Video Sir! Hoping for a XL DogVlog
with Sam, Tom and Jon, 'A Walk In The Park', thank you👍
Excellent vid mate
I'd take a pdk gt4 all day especially for a nice spring summer and fall daily. Just wish it was a bit faster... The 0-60 in just under 4 doesn't sit well for me based on the price. 3.5 seems like the number it should be sitting at
I don’t think numbers matter. It’s all about feel.
Im just glad Porsche still give us the choice...wish Ferrari would make some sort of modern manual sportscar to compete with them
cars do pretty good at dragstrip with manual trans .
5:38 Nice 718 Spyder passing by.
I think a 997.2 PDK car would be a perfect compliment to a manual GT4. modern classic gentlemen spec and a motorsports Porsche
I'd get the manual and have the ratios changed by Shark Werks for instance. It’s obviously ruined by emission rules, but luckily it can be fixed too!
Please let your coffee be shipped to the USA!! I will order ASAP!
Weird thing is the company is usa company I think put product not offered here
Porsche should've had a Close ratio 6-Speed Manual in the GT4 & spyder
Came here for the car but man I love the vlog content a lot!
Great to hear
I'm so desperate for a good video in which Sam doesn't even utter the word "coffee" that would make every video so much better!! (some people don't rely on daily caffeinated drinks) It would be great to see more dedicated car videos. I can kind of appreciate the fashion lol
I’m sorry if I offend anyone, but I get the feeling those who cry out for manuals, who overly hype manuals, are either over the age of 35 or younger enthusiasts wanting to “fit in” with other petrolheads. The only reason Sam has to say “controversial decision” and “Porsche enthusiasts, don’t come after me” is because unfortunately, some people don’t want to move on with technology. I know manuals are getting ever so slightly rarer nowadays, but an automatic can be as engaging, or even more so than an old-school manual. Manual isn’t always, 100%, better and the must-have gearbox option. Sam, no need to be nervous about your verdict, if the PDK GT4 is the more appropriate option, so be it.
Makes perfect sense to me, the one caveat a purist would concede to opt for a PDK. Brings the Spyder to life finally
Kudos to Porsche to keep offering manual transmission cars. It seems the regs are stacked against three pedals both the emissions and economy tests. The drive by noise tests have been changed but the powers that be want us all in self driving smart phones. As for acceleration figures, if the manual is only .5 seconds off the pdk, that might be insignificant if 2nd was 65 not 80mph. It should be interesting to see the response to the new Gordon Murray car that retains a manual box.
PDk is the way to go but I believe if you have the time you can fix the gear ratio in the manual as done by one Driver that made the 2nd and 3rd gear ⚙ more usable with a better final gear to match...I'll look it up again and Share where it's from. And what do you think of the new RS version
These are STG video’s, so cool made Sam, keep your content on level please
Glad you like it, I pick up my guards PDK on Friday, I didn’t even consider the manual after the long ratios of the previous one! Didn’t sound terrible (inside the car at least) also, may still add unsilenced race pipes 🤷🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Brilliant stuff, my crayon pdk gt4 is at the port in Germany at this moment! So excited. Hope you enjoy yours!
@@johnwheeler3019 same to you, good idea for the new registration 👍🏻
There’s only a couple of MPH difference in the gear ratio’s. Matt Farah broke it down in his review on The Smoking Tire. I think the difference is that you’re more likely to use 1st gear in a PDK.
@@jryalls there’s 10 mph 1-2nd then it continues more up the gears, so it’s actually considerable, real world, which is why those of us who know, know! Speed is my preference though and I wouldn’t argue with someone who just wants to go between 2 gears everywhere except the track, that’s their choice 🤷🏼♂️
@@johnycarrera The PDK does 79mph at the top of 2nd and the manual does 83mph. The fact of the matter is, if you want a manual buy the manual and if you want an auto you buy the auto.
Absolutely loving this content👌🏼
for GT4 prefer a manual. if it had more horses & quicker, then PDK. I have a manual GT3 991.2 and that's just about at the limit for me. I often think of getting a manual GT4 as the GT3 is a real handful for me. but either way, great cars.
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I know Sam doesn't have the subscriber numbers of some other RUclipsrs, but his delivery, knowledge and enthusiasm obliterates the others in terms of authenticity. No pretentiousness, minimal corporate bs. Keep it up!
Man I wish I lived in Europe, we don't have anything like podium in Canada
One of my favorite cars
I'm a bit confused though honestly. I watched the video Matt Farah made with the PDK GT4 and he said the max speed per gear was almost the same between the manual and the PDK version, so it feels a bit weird to me that the PDK is that much better? Like, maybe with that 10 more nm of torque there's also a different torque curve which makes the experience better, but I also don't see how the two cars would be so different? Idk...
1:33 These establishing shots must be such work to set up but lord, do they showcase the #981 #GT4 😍
Always preferred the Cayman over the 911 to the derision of many friends and the GT4 is a life goal for sure (not before I bag a quadrifoglio mind). I'm a full convert to auto these last few years so bring on the PDK is say!
Also, where'd you get that shirt, Sam?
Please have a coffee in the new Lotus Emira asap 😂👍
Not until 2022 :(
kinda know what he means , pdk short shifting or rev out on the back lanes can be more fun than manual swapping cogs.
Now i am getting a coffee as well
Wahooo
First! Obsessed with your videos sam, always cheer me up and constantly look forward to seeing each new one, and youve gotten me into coffee so thankyou so much for that revelation because its truly the best
You're the best!
Do you miss the 4C?
According to the official Porsche numbers the PDK has 10 % lower gearing, which in addition to the slight torque advantage should make for a better response.
Delizioso.
The rear diff. lock up value % are even better as well on the PDK version.
Awesome car sam 👏. Love porsche gt4 pdk is way to go as of know. Awesome way get ur coffee ☕ around the uk 🇬🇧 . One porsche go to make room for a jag F type.
Is that a DB7 V12 GT in their room as well??
3:59 Indy Yellow Pearl NSX-R? 😲
Would love to try some of your coffee mate but it looks like Perla doesn't ship overseas, specifically US. Any chance of that changing?
Great vid as always sir!
Love the Red and PDK
Love the title of the video, zero bullshit.
Hey Sam,
Great content, thinking about my next daily at the moment, W206 C Class Coupe or Porsche Cayman (I used to have a Boxster same era as your 911 you’re selling) so this was great!
A question though, I’ve noticed in this & many of the destinations & I mean dealerships, etc in the UK that you & others visit, they have gravelled courtyards - what is that about?? Seems like a great way to pick up stones in your tyres & fling them at you paint when you leave 🤔
PS just watched your latest BTG, & comments re the sale of your 911. There’s only one answer mate, “haters gotta hate” just ignore it and live your life.
Looking forward to more great content!!
Cheers Steve from Oz 👍🏻👍🏻
Awesome explain!!!!
It did come with the first gen 718… but only if you got the club sport version…
PDK is an amazing gearbox, probably the best of its kind but you cant beat a slick shiting manual gearbox. Agree though that the gearing on many Porsche manual cars is too long.
Hey Sam. May I ask what lens/lenses did Panasonic send you to try out with the S5 they loaned you?. I just got a killer deal on one from Amazon Uk. Brand new with the 20-60mm lens a second battery all for £1100!.. so six times less than the Sony A7S3 would cost when you factor in the camera body, lens, memory cards, Nd filter etc cost combined is nearly £7k!.
Great work as always. Doesn’t the latest Boxster Spyder have the same engine as the gt4? Please let us know. Thanks!
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Can you please tell us what speed the PDK will now do at maximum revs in 2nd and 3rd gear? Have Porsche shortened those gears to prevent the ridiculous "85mph in second gear" scenario you get with the manual? That's been putting me off getting one of these, I'd prefer maybe 70mph in 2nd gear and it would feel so much more explosive too.