The holes in the break disk have two purposes: cooling and better breaking in wet conditions. Water on the hot break disk turns into steam an this holes enable the steam to lead away. The guys at Porsche are since decades in Motorsport and knew exactly what they do. Even the CEO of Porsche has race license and a phd in engeneering.
And Brembo who manufacturers the brakes (engineers) have told us these are the worst designs for track use and are moving away from them whenever possible. Cup cars dont use them and newer porsche brakes are moving to divets instead of holes because of cracking issues. Cross drilling is a legacy design. The worst part aside from cracking is all of the benefits you mention go away when holes are clogged with iron and pad material. Which happens under hard track use in a matter of 5-6 laps.
@@jordankeeler7297 Just want to answer this here because multiple comments on this and I didnt clarify. Its a nerdy topic but, the standard brakes on this car are a weak spot when you are driving flat out on track. They don't go away but lack a super consistent feel.
Another 2 things I really like about this channel: 1. The (increasingly, and delightfully, common) track runs with appropriate vehicles 2. Does any other auto review channel (a) put cars on an actual lift, and (b) talk comprehensively about engine, transmission, and chassis in a way laypeople can understand? A wonderful balance of entertainment, education, and critique
@@ericstazzone8281 agreed, and by a huge margin. there are other channels i like, but SG has such a great balance and the production value is on a whole 'nother level.
@@ericstazzone8281 meh I could do without the overly pessimistic attitude which soaks the vibe of each episode and the enormous bias against the German brands.
It's amazing how Jack has become so much more comfortable in front of the camera. I remember when he used to look and sound so nervous. Creating content like a pro!
They will build as many GT4 RS's as they can sell. We are getting ever closer to the final swan song of the N/A flat 6. Hopefully prices come down on the regular GT4s when that is released.
I'm glad you mentioned the GT4 feels sharper than the Spyder. It's not a massive difference but its noticeable. I was not expecting them to feel different given they are nearly identical. Great video guys!
I've had open top sports cars since I was 21 and quickly realized that the experience is with a no-top target, rag top-down or power-retracting hardtop down makes driving so much more enjoyable that I think I will always have at least one open air car. In fact, ever since I bought my first convertible I've had a second car that I'd take to less-than-perfectly safe areas - typically inner city. My first "second car" cost me $300 but I drove it on snow/ice covered roads and through heavy downpours. Every time I replaced the "beater" it cost more until it was a new Mazda 3 sedan 2.5. Maybe something like Mark's LC500 or even the 500h will replace the Mazda 3 some day.
Savagegeese at this point probably has the most comprehensive coverage of Porsche models and trims than anyone else. I remember just a couple of years ago Mark was not too crazy about the brand. Maybe he has warmed up to it by now 🤓.
That's the thing with these cars. BMW as well. Everyone has a chip on their shoulder and attitude around them from years of interactions with some owners and internet myth. The reality is they are really great drivers cars. Hate the badge love the cars.
@@cwx8 No, porsche and bmw are COMPLETELY different, its not even a comparison. One company is an engineering focused car manufacturer behind the scenes, while the other is a marketing focused manufacturer. Not to mention the differences in brand perception...
I saw someone take delivery of this car last month at my local Porsche dealer. Now I know why he was so happy. His wife didn't look as enthusiastic but maybe her mind was changed on the way home in this amazing machine.
I guess I am lucky because she was fine with my 981 Spyder buy and then she positively egged me on to get an Aston Martin Vantage for my 40th this year! Had to get rid of the Spyder though. A touch sad to see it go.
this summarizes why I'm single. A truly great relationship would be a wife that is happy to see how happy her husband is. It's so rare that it might as well be a unicorn.
I’m one of the owners of this car. I noticed and felt exactly same things as you guys ,but please listen as it can be fixed easily; - adjust front and rear sway bars to full (soft) settings, it took me about 20 minutes on my 1st try, adjustments were there by Porsche to switch the ride to more street manner n it did for me (felt 20% easily smoother from switching the Rear hard - Front mid ex setting) + its in the owners manual but arguably explained differently. - engine noise: though you didn’t mention the factory force closing of exhaust valves untill 4k+ reached (even though you pressed a button to let it be open all the time from 0 rpm) you could buy a hack to force and bypass the factory to either switching to on- off - auto, plus you could buy an overaxle pipes it will bring back the lively engine characteristics like the prior gen + you wouldn’t void warrenty. Overall one of the greatest sweet spot of GT cars this era period. For the gear ratios on the manual you will actually be more grateful that its tall on the street as i did because you don’t need a big power and its more compliant than a small ratio. (did own an evo 8 and an s2k) this is heaven when we compare gears lol
Porsche is the manufacturer who most take what they learn in the crucible of development (racing) and apply it to their consumer products. The kings of LeMans.
@@DB-sd3cw i think porsche still making driver's cars in a period where manual transmission and gasoline powered cars are being pushed away, is a pretty good thing. Especially with these cars. The driving experience you get from a gt3 and gt4 is unlike no other. More fun to drive than the faster exotics.
They're one of so few brands to do so. BMW abandon it mid 00's, Alfa doesn't actually make a sports car, Lotus doesn't practically exist for most people (I've maybe seen 2 dealerships across the country).
Best car review channel on YT, bar none. When folks get tired of watching the "burger king" (aka Hoovie") pretend to be "devastated" by his/their "problems, with their crappy high dollar purchases, this channel will satisfy.
I've got a 981 GT4 and was really interested in the new GT4 RS they just revealed... but then they said it won't come with a manual gearbox :/ having had a 2020 supra that only came in automatic, I definitely don't want to go down that route again. Makes a car so boring for me even if everything else is great.
Not at your level, however, I've driven both DSG and Manual Golf GTIs and I can't comprehend the fascination about the lightning-fast quick shifts, the DSG shifts were so smooth I felt nothing! What's the point? Needless to say I ended up with a Manual (previously had a 2016 STI), and will always go with a Manual. Long live the Manual.
The value here is immense: through the docu-reviews you've created, we get to experience the vehicles you've tested and make more informed buying decisions when we get to the Shoppe. Thanks as always. You two set the bar.
You guys probably don’t remember but I ran into you at the airport and we talked about cars for a bit. You recommended the GT4 and a week ago I made my dream come true by purchasing one. Thanks for the advice guys. It’s such an amazing vehicle to drive.
Very informative. As proud owner of 21 PDK car, who's never seen the undercarriage and has never been on the track. I can't wait to unleash it's full potential. Bravo
@@mitchellsteindler As a person who drives a manual Porsche 911. PDK is like driving a computer simulator..it does all the work for you. Might as well be in a Nissan Leaf for that matter.
*Call it a PRODUCT one more time, I dare you.* To say something positive, I always appreciate the manufacturer's technical document pages you let us see, not something others appear to be doing. So thanks for that.
Idk exactly why but every time I watch a review I find them so damn funny, something about how you guys throw the cars around comedically on the street, then seriously on the track while just laughing is so great.
I really really appreciate you guys and the high quality material you're producing. I get a lot of enjoyment from the blending of the technical, visual, passion, jokes and smiles when the pedal goes to the metal.
Your 987.2 is a gem! Hydraulic steering, rev-happy naturally aspirated flat-six and three pedals on the floor all in a package that weighs in at less than 3,000lbs. While styling is subjective, I personally think the 987 generation's styling has aged quite well and will continue to do so.
@@faust451 Yep, even though its a base and not as powerful. It means you get to rev it out more and get to use and hear the whole engine on public roads. 987 holds up great looks wise too. Especially the Caymans.
Thanks for your realistic insight into what this car is great at, and where it falls short. By the grin on Mark's face, this is a true dream car. Keep doing what you do - your reviews are in another league.
I fucking love my new GT4!!! Amazing for the street, I live up in the mountains and the roads here are a lot better than in Illinois. I drove it 1000 miles in 2 days after I bought it and my back didn't hurt one bit! Biggest weakness is the rear end but that can be partially solved with some rear toe links
It feels like Porsche are the only company left that gives a shit about how the customer feels. They've absolutely nailed the "aspirational-buy" segment of the market. Nobody else makes cars that I want to save up for. Doesn't mean I can afford a Porsche on my wageslave rates, but I want to.
Re: street driving manners...would be interesting to see the GT4 vs the GTS 4.0 on the track/street to see whether the GTS 4.0 has a better balance for that; without sacrificing too much on the track.
Drove my buddy's 981 six-cylinder (non-gt4). I was so excited and then at the end of the day, I realized I would never buy one due to the gearing. Something like 82 MPH in second gear. For a street car, what is the point? You want to shift that beautiful manual all the time but honestly never got out of third in any hard street driving. I know Porsche could fix this but I think they choose not to. Just a heads up if you plan to buy one and not track it.
well you can buy a turbo with a 6.000rpm redline and your second gear ends a lot earlier. What people don’t understand is that the 6 Gear is already at 4.000rpm at 150km/h (I live in Germany btw) which is cruising speed here. If they would shorten the gears significantly the vmax would go down and I would be at nearly 5.000rpm. Which is just to much to get from A to B. High Revving engines naturally have a „long gearing“ the GT3 has the same problem and basically nobody cries about that.
The new 4.0 liter has so much useable torque, the gearing is not an issue. I own a manual GTS with the 4.0, and it's the best car I've ever owned. The gearing "issue" is overplayed, it's not a deal-breaker, trust me.
Love mine, first sports car I have owned that makes me want to become a better driver. drove mine on a 3000 mile road trip to the Smoky Mountains and I was pretty comfortable. Steering inputs are immediate with zero forgiveness so taking your eyes off the road at 75 mph even for a second is a challenge.
@@touringteg I remember reading an article about stock-looking racing car teams and the brake rotors they used. Almost everyone was using AP Racing's J-hook slotted rotors. Years later I was given the opportunity to design stainless steel rotors. The J-hook slotted design is patented so I changed the shape a bit. They still worked very well in our street testing.
The 981 engine doesn't "die off on the top". It's dual 6-800 cell catalytics plug it up top from achieving significant pull. You put in 200cell cats and they make 405-410 crank hp with no tuning. Just 4hp less than a 4L
*I feel bad for Jabron with all that expensive changes for the re gearing just for Porsche to announce that they're releasing the GT4 RS WITH SHORTENED GEAR RATIOS*
I like how he gets under the cars and shows stuff rather than talking about paint colour names. His first GT4 video was the best on here in my opinion. Both superb.
Interesting that Jack states the 981 GT4 engine dies off near redline. I didn't experience that in the few that I've driven. Porsche says it makes peak power at 7400 which is only 400 below redline.
Yeah, I was surprised to hear that as well. I've got a 981 GT4, and that observation differs from my experience. But then again, I had the ECU tuned , and updated the headers some time ago, so perhaps thats alleviated the issue.
Even if it does die off near redline, you can’t feel it to confidently say you notice it. Blown out of proportion IMO. The motor is roaring at those RPMs; no one’s feeling a power dip.
Jesus, that launch was CRAZY! I can't believe it "dumps the clutch" at 6500 rpms like that, I wouldn't ever think to try that to get a good launch out of a manual!
I need help. As an Italian who had a Countach poster on on his wall growing up and always discussed with my Italian family/friends that i love the 308/328s & F40/50s - is it wrong that I secretly really always wanted a Porsche? Am I a bad person???
I was pulled over by a cop in northwestern Ontario Canada because my from plate was ajar. I got out to look at the plate. The officer said to me, what a nice car. I told him to enjoy the rest of his day then I took off. This was version 1 of the GT4. I replaced that car with a 2020 718 Spyder which is great except for the manual roof. Nice problem to have. Great review men.
so if you have a m6 instead of a PDK (-35kg) and you have carbon buckets vs the 18 way (-20 kg at least) then this car measured weight should be in the range of 1420kgs . Amazing.
Jack's face at 10:56! Haha. I've got one of these and that's exactly the feeling when you floor it, ease off, downshift a few times, the revs hover around 5k and you just want to mash your foot through the floor again. You feel like a racecar driver. It sounds like a racecar., it races for the redline like a racecar... Yes there are fairly average cars that are just as quick, but that is totally missing the point. These NA flat 6 engines make you feel like a child.
7:42 just an interesting observation, the new engine’s stats seems very similar to the S65 4.0L V8 from the E9X M3! Same displacement and similar power, torque, and redline. Just done with 2 less cylinders haha
There are few new cars that make we want to put down that much money for a car that is, in essence, useless for all practical purposes - especially with the lower-price segment getting so good - but the GT4 is definitely one of them. Mark is really living the dream, being able to take all those awesome cars on track!
Discover you guys today, my good your lvl of Details and Quality is insanely good! Love you videos especially the one where you go more into detais of the components!
Buying a new Porsche already puts you in rare air as far as income, buying a $120k Porsche for mostly track usage puts you in further rarified air. Despite the new GT4 being a spectacular car, for the average person with realistic funds who will mostly use it on the street, a pre-owned 981 Cayman S with the 3.4 normally aspirated flat 6 is probably the better overall car owning and attainable experience. Just don't drive the new GT4 back to back with it or you will end up hating life.
I never really understood the cross driller rotor design from an engineering standpoint. Slotted is way better because of surface area but still evacuates break dust
Pardon my ignorance Mr. Geese.... but how are you guys happier thrashing this around over the ZL1-1LE? I'm confused. I mean, I could have gotten one of these but went with the ZL1-1LE instead. I've already gotten used to full throttle acceleration and it doesn't scare me anymore. I just feel that the ZL1-1LE is the better track car all around. I mean it beats the GT4 in pretty much every category. Can you educate me as to why this one is so much more desirable aside form the Porsche emblem on the hood?
The ZL1 1LE is one of the best track cars of this generation, extremely capable. It just trades off a lot in terms of street use, visability, sound, auto trans does not match PDK. It also feel big compared to the 718. (Mid vs front engine) But... the ZL1 is again an incredible machine and value will be worth a lot someday.
@@savagegeese thanks for responding! I totally agree with its shortcomings. In fact, I think those shortcomings become more readily apparent once you’ve driven so many other cars that do other things well. I guess that maybe it all comes down to personal comfort. The bumps in the road do make for a jarring ride and I guess the Porsche does make a better daily driver hands down. I wish you guys could thrash a ZL1-1LE on the track. Maybe I’ll take a drive out to Michigan (or was Autobahn in Illinois? I forget) next season so yall can have a go in it! Thanks for the amazing content! As always it’s so informative and only a teenie weenie bit biased which I can respect. We all have biases so I ain’t mad atcha. Hahaha
Great review. Great sound and video. Cant afford one, but the GT4 and GT3 would be my favorite cars in the world for a track and fun summer only car.. Rich people buy insanely expensive flashy cars.. this would be my holy grail at 110 k . Which is not insanely priced.
Porsche spent years saying Cayman was stuck with long gear ratios because they couldn’t fit anything else in and not because it would be faster than the 911. Then magically fit in shorter ratios on the GT4 RS. Another great video! With your technical excellence, I hope you are now on Porsche’s short list for new cards to review.
Andreas Breuninger freely admits that the Cayman sits under the 911 in terms of performance. Of course he won't admit that long gearing also takes away some of the way of driving it on the road. Bit of a shame. I'd rather have Porsche detune the engine and give the manual shorter ratios
It deserves a manual! If you are PDK-person I would suggest a GT4 RS. But as a real drivers car (not all about record lap times, but more about being rewarded while setting any lap time) with a more timeless beauty (I even find it more beautiful than the GT3) to it, the GT4 is simply one of the peaks in car history!
Spectacular video as usual, however I actually completely disagree with both of you about the Evora vs GT4 on the street. I owned both an Evora 400 (pretty much identical mechanically to the GT you drove) and a 718 GT4 at the same time and I found for street driving the Evora was much more fun mainly because the steering had even better feedback (not night and day just the Lotus is absurdly good), the suspension was more compliant, and the Lotus engine is much more characterful at normal road speeds where the GT4’s long manual gearing meant you weren’t often in the fun zone that often and below 5,000RPM it sounds diesel like especially as the exhaust valves have the weirdest opening and closing at random times throughout the rev range. The GT4 is just a more serious car and although I only had time to track it twice it’s definitely more track focused, but not necessarily any more fun. The biggest surprises were that although both cars had similar power ratings and weighed pretty much the same, the GT4 is significantly faster and made me question if the Lotus was really a 400HP car.....or the 4.0L in the Porsche was just underrated? Also, surprising was my GT4 has had several annoying squeaks from the hatchback area while the Lotus is as drum tight as any car I’ve driven. Anyways, they are both exceptional cars that to me are pretty much equals and having previously owned a 2016 981 GT4 I think the 4.0L is a far superior engine to the 3.8L despite that engine sounding significantly better at low to mid revs.
Another great review boys! I am in talks with a Porsche dealership in regards to a GT4-RS now it comes with a hefty premium and is something I have to consider but if I do get one. I will let you know asap!
Perfectly released as the GT4 RS dropped. I hope this finally lives up to what we've all always wanted (like we did when waiting *for decades* for GM to give the Camaro the exact same engine and tune as the Corvette Z06/ZR1 to the ZR1)
The holes in the break disk have two purposes: cooling and better breaking in wet conditions. Water on the hot break disk turns into steam an this holes enable the steam to lead away. The guys at Porsche are since decades in Motorsport and knew exactly what they do. Even the CEO of Porsche has race license and a phd in engeneering.
And Brembo who manufacturers the brakes (engineers) have told us these are the worst designs for track use and are moving away from them whenever possible. Cup cars dont use them and newer porsche brakes are moving to divets instead of holes because of cracking issues. Cross drilling is a legacy design. The worst part aside from cracking is all of the benefits you mention go away when holes are clogged with iron and pad material. Which happens under hard track use in a matter of 5-6 laps.
@@savagegeese savage
@@jordankeeler7297 Just want to answer this here because multiple comments on this and I didnt clarify. Its a nerdy topic but, the standard brakes on this car are a weak spot when you are driving flat out on track. They don't go away but lack a super consistent feel.
@@savagegeese do the ceramic rotors not have this characteristic?
@@osmiumtank No they do not. Rotor/pad material does not dust and clog holes or build up like the Iron counterparts.
Another 2 things I really like about this channel:
1. The (increasingly, and delightfully, common) track runs with appropriate vehicles
2. Does any other auto review channel (a) put cars on an actual lift, and (b) talk comprehensively about engine, transmission, and chassis in a way laypeople can understand?
A wonderful balance of entertainment, education, and critique
the best automotive channel on youtube for sure
@@ericstazzone8281 agreed, and by a huge margin. there are other channels i like, but SG has such a great balance and the production value is on a whole 'nother level.
sarah’n’tuned uses lifts in her reviews too. Good amount of hunour as well.
@@xkukubax what lift? 😏
@@ericstazzone8281 meh I could do without the overly pessimistic attitude which soaks the vibe of each episode and the enormous bias against the German brands.
It's amazing how Jack has become so much more comfortable in front of the camera. I remember when he used to look and sound so nervous. Creating content like a pro!
My boy jack is now all grown up 😅
Nice copy pasta
You keep yapping about this. Give it a rest.
Well done Jack Singapore!!
Agreed!
Can't wait for you all to drive the GT4 RS!!!
I think they will be amazed by it and can't see them NOT saying it fixes the few things that are wrong and takes the peak to a new level.
almost another 100 hp will be insane.
@@overduetax Exactly, there will always be another rung higher up on the ladder...
They will build as many GT4 RS's as they can sell. We are getting ever closer to the final swan song of the N/A flat 6. Hopefully prices come down on the regular GT4s when that is released.
GT4 RS is pretty much track only for non-masochists
Congratulations Mark and Jack. You managed to produce 20 minutes of pure joy.
I'm glad you mentioned the GT4 feels sharper than the Spyder. It's not a massive difference but its noticeable. I was not expecting them to feel different given they are nearly identical. Great video guys!
Having a roof will do that! +1 for chassis rigidity
Perhaps the Aero difference is what you're feeling? I own both and notice it as well.
and yes as above, the roof.
@@ganjgrimn9803 You own them on PlayStation ?
I've had open top sports cars since I was 21 and quickly realized that the experience is with a no-top target, rag top-down or power-retracting hardtop down makes driving so much more enjoyable that I think I will always have at least one open air car. In fact, ever since I bought my first convertible I've had a second car that I'd take to less-than-perfectly safe areas - typically inner city. My first "second car" cost me $300 but I drove it on snow/ice covered roads and through heavy downpours. Every time I replaced the "beater" it cost more until it was a new Mazda 3 sedan 2.5. Maybe something like Mark's LC500 or even the 500h will replace the Mazda 3 some day.
Savagegeese at this point probably has the most comprehensive coverage of Porsche models and trims than anyone else.
I remember just a couple of years ago Mark was not too crazy about the brand. Maybe he has warmed up to it by now 🤓.
they still haven't reviewed the Taycan and Cayenne Turbo GT though
That's the thing with these cars. BMW as well. Everyone has a chip on their shoulder and attitude around them from years of interactions with some owners and internet myth. The reality is they are really great drivers cars. Hate the badge love the cars.
@@cwx8 No, porsche and bmw are COMPLETELY different, its not even a comparison. One company is an engineering focused car manufacturer behind the scenes, while the other is a marketing focused manufacturer. Not to mention the differences in brand perception...
I saw someone take delivery of this car last month at my local Porsche dealer. Now I know why he was so happy. His wife didn't look as enthusiastic but maybe her mind was changed on the way home in this amazing machine.
Not many wives appreciate spending that much money on a car. Even if money isn't an issue. It's just a woman's nature.
@@sappyjohnson So true! I already had the "Porsche talk" with my wife and it didn't go well at all!
I guess I am lucky because she was fine with my 981 Spyder buy and then she positively egged me on to get an Aston Martin Vantage for my 40th this year! Had to get rid of the Spyder though. A touch sad to see it go.
@@SuryaDe You are either lucky or unlucky. Depending on how much money you have :)
this summarizes why I'm single. A truly great relationship would be a wife that is happy to see how happy her husband is. It's so rare that it might as well be a unicorn.
It warms my heart when I see a true analog gauge cluster and the infotainment down in the center stack, rather than on the dash.
The GT4 is definitely hands down one of the best new cars to get on the market
A modern car that still captures what makes the driving experience
Why do you sound like an AI generated advertisement?
@@DB-sd3cw it’s a bot
Driving the new Porsche GT4 at the Autobahn track. Very appropriate.
I’m one of the owners of this car.
I noticed and felt exactly same things as you guys ,but please listen as it can be fixed easily;
- adjust front and rear sway bars to full (soft) settings, it took me about 20 minutes on my 1st try, adjustments were there by Porsche to switch the ride to more street manner n it did for me (felt 20% easily smoother from switching the Rear hard - Front mid ex setting) + its in the owners manual but arguably explained differently.
- engine noise: though you didn’t mention the factory force closing of exhaust valves untill 4k+ reached (even though you pressed a button to let it be open all the time from 0 rpm) you could buy a hack to force and bypass the factory to either switching to on- off - auto, plus you could buy an overaxle pipes it will bring back the lively engine characteristics like the prior gen + you wouldn’t void warrenty.
Overall one of the greatest sweet spot of GT cars this era period.
For the gear ratios on the manual you will actually be more grateful that its tall on the street as i did because you don’t need a big power and its more compliant than a small ratio. (did own an evo 8 and an s2k) this is heaven when we compare gears lol
These guys are pure car nerds and I love them! So knowledgeable and reviews unlike the rest …they actually know cars.
Porsche is the manufacturer who most take what they learn in the crucible of development (racing) and apply it to their consumer products. The kings of LeMans.
Very happy Porsche is still making Driver's cars. They're so damn good at it!
Say something interesting next time
@@DB-sd3cw i think porsche still making driver's cars in a period where manual transmission and gasoline powered cars are being pushed away, is a pretty good thing. Especially with these cars. The driving experience you get from a gt3 and gt4 is unlike no other. More fun to drive than the faster exotics.
@@DB-sd3cw Says the one leaving "Let's Go, Brandon" comments on multiple videos. Lol.
What sucks is they used to be good at making AFFORDABLE drivers cars.
They're one of so few brands to do so. BMW abandon it mid 00's, Alfa doesn't actually make a sports car, Lotus doesn't practically exist for most people (I've maybe seen 2 dealerships across the country).
I've awarded the 2021 Nobel Prize Oscar in Auto Review Cinematography to Savage Geese. Congrats fellas.
My home track and my car! Now we just need the GT3 video!
What’s ur IG!
Best car review channel on YT, bar none. When folks get tired of watching the "burger king" (aka Hoovie") pretend to be "devastated" by his/their "problems, with their crappy high dollar purchases, this channel will satisfy.
My car: A fake symposium of Casio keyboards
GT4: Hans Zimmer's wet dream
I've got a 981 GT4 and was really interested in the new GT4 RS they just revealed... but then they said it won't come with a manual gearbox :/ having had a 2020 supra that only came in automatic, I definitely don't want to go down that route again. Makes a car so boring for me even if everything else is great.
Not at your level, however, I've driven both DSG and Manual Golf GTIs and I can't comprehend the fascination about the lightning-fast quick shifts, the DSG shifts were so smooth I felt nothing!
What's the point?
Needless to say I ended up with a Manual (previously had a 2016 STI), and will always go with a Manual.
Long live the Manual.
I feel you on that. The feeling you get when rowing your own gears is unmatched.
RS's (GT3, GT2 and now GT4) are all about being the ultimate track weapon (numbers), not about the driving experience.
Sorry but you cant even compare a Supras ZF8 to a GT4 with PDK. The Porsche is in another league (especially the RS with that ungodly GT3 engine).
PDK is unlike other automatics. I wouldn't mind having a PDK and that's coming from another 981 GT4 owner. Try it out
The value here is immense: through the docu-reviews you've created, we get to experience the vehicles you've tested and make more informed buying decisions when we get to the Shoppe. Thanks as always. You two set the bar.
You guys probably don’t remember but I ran into you at the airport and we talked about cars for a bit. You recommended the GT4 and a week ago I made my dream come true by purchasing one. Thanks for the advice guys. It’s such an amazing vehicle to drive.
I remember, congrats. How has your travel been since we talked?
@@savagegeese travels have been great. I’ve been enjoying the content. It was nice to see you guys finally got to review the emira
@@wojcikt1 How long did you have to wait for the GT4?
@@savagegeese I bought one used. I was waiting for the market to come down a bit. I think I got a very fair deal on a CPO example.
Very informative. As proud owner of 21 PDK car, who's never seen the undercarriage and has never been on the track. I can't wait to unleash it's full potential. Bravo
Too bad it's PDK. Manual is the way to go.
@@bigmacdaddy1234 you say this as an owner or...?
@@mitchellsteindler As a person who drives a manual Porsche 911. PDK is like driving a computer simulator..it does all the work for you. Might as well be in a Nissan Leaf for that matter.
@@bigmacdaddy1234 lol
That's a beautiful orchestra. I would buy it to listen to it on a back road. I am glad Porsche keeps making true sports cars.
*Call it a PRODUCT one more time, I dare you.* To say something positive, I always appreciate the manufacturer's technical document pages you let us see, not something others appear to be doing. So thanks for that.
Idk exactly why but every time I watch a review I find them so damn funny, something about how you guys throw the cars around comedically on the street, then seriously on the track while just laughing is so great.
I really really appreciate you guys and the high quality material you're producing. I get a lot of enjoyment from the blending of the technical, visual, passion, jokes and smiles when the pedal goes to the metal.
Mine arrives in 6 weeks with buckets and 6MT! Real driver's cars are a dying breed.
I love my 987.2 Cayman 2.9L Manual. But this or the Boxster GTS 4.0L is my dream car. Its just the perfect car.
The 2.9 manual is a really nice package for UK roads, and great value now
Your 987.2 is a gem! Hydraulic steering, rev-happy naturally aspirated flat-six and three pedals on the floor all in a package that weighs in at less than 3,000lbs. While styling is subjective, I personally think the 987 generation's styling has aged quite well and will continue to do so.
@@faust451 Yep, even though its a base and not as powerful. It means you get to rev it out more and get to use and hear the whole engine on public roads.
987 holds up great looks wise too. Especially the Caymans.
Thanks for your realistic insight into what this car is great at, and where it falls short. By the grin on Mark's face, this is a true dream car.
Keep doing what you do - your reviews are in another league.
I love when jack scares the goose with crazy driving lol
I fucking love my new GT4!!! Amazing for the street, I live up in the mountains and the roads here are a lot better than in Illinois. I drove it 1000 miles in 2 days after I bought it and my back didn't hurt one bit! Biggest weakness is the rear end but that can be partially solved with some rear toe links
Sorry, what is wrong with the rear? Does it lose traction?
@jay_b.. Hard braking can cause the rear to come loose
The very best of a road/track use for a car. SavageGeese and Porsche; like the stars are aligned and produce this? Always ready. Fantastic feature.
It feels like Porsche are the only company left that gives a shit about how the customer feels. They've absolutely nailed the "aspirational-buy" segment of the market. Nobody else makes cars that I want to save up for. Doesn't mean I can afford a Porsche on my wageslave rates, but I want to.
Sounds like an attainable dream car for sure.
Re: street driving manners...would be interesting to see the GT4 vs the GTS 4.0 on the track/street to see whether the GTS 4.0 has a better balance for that; without sacrificing too much on the track.
This is the best car channel on RUclips and eventually everyone is going to know it. Keep it up!
Drove my buddy's 981 six-cylinder (non-gt4). I was so excited and then at the end of the day, I realized I would never buy one due to the gearing. Something like 82 MPH in second gear. For a street car, what is the point? You want to shift that beautiful manual all the time but honestly never got out of third in any hard street driving. I know Porsche could fix this but I think they choose not to. Just a heads up if you plan to buy one and not track it.
That's such a downer about this car. You get the manual but you also get the long gearing. Ugh
It sucks but isn't a deal-breaker.
well you can buy a turbo with a 6.000rpm redline and your second gear ends a lot earlier. What people don’t understand is that the 6 Gear is already at 4.000rpm at 150km/h (I live in Germany btw) which is cruising speed here. If they would shorten the gears significantly the vmax would go down and I would be at nearly 5.000rpm. Which is just to much to get from A to B.
High Revving engines naturally have a „long gearing“ the GT3 has the same problem and basically nobody cries about that.
The new 4.0 liter has so much useable torque, the gearing is not an issue. I own a manual GTS with the 4.0, and it's the best car I've ever owned. The gearing "issue" is overplayed, it's not a deal-breaker, trust me.
Thank you, geese! You guys provide us with outstanding, exceptional content and delivery. I love your videos!
I will be happy if the Z06 comes within 90% the 4’s driving dynamics
sure but bigger and more weight to carry
So would I but doubt it will get that close.
Love mine, first sports car I have owned that makes me want to become a better driver. drove mine on a 3000 mile road trip to the Smoky Mountains and I was pretty comfortable. Steering inputs are immediate with zero forgiveness so taking your eyes off the road at 75 mph even for a second is a challenge.
10:50. It is SO GOOD to know two normal, common sensical, midwestern boys like you two never break the speed limit when making these videos!
(it doesn't sound like) "a fake symposium of Casio keyboards"! Great line here, Mark.
J-hook slots would certainly improve braking with the steel rotors.
Love my AP Racing J hook rotors
@@touringteg I remember reading an article about stock-looking racing car teams and the brake rotors they used. Almost everyone was using AP Racing's J-hook slotted rotors. Years later I was given the opportunity to design stainless steel rotors. The J-hook slotted design is patented so I changed the shape a bit. They still worked very well in our street testing.
I’m using mine to get the heck outta Kenosha right now.
I love when RUclips generates subtitles for the engine sound as [Music]
The 981 engine doesn't "die off on the top". It's dual 6-800 cell catalytics plug it up top from achieving significant pull. You put in 200cell cats and they make 405-410 crank hp with no tuning. Just 4hp less than a 4L
*I feel bad for Jabron with all that expensive changes for the re gearing just for Porsche to announce that they're releasing the GT4 RS WITH SHORTENED GEAR RATIOS*
They only regeared PDK not manual. He re-geared manual box.
i like how 911 all of a sudden became an amg s-class luxurious car and now the 718 is what the 911 was.
I like how he gets under the cars and shows stuff rather than talking about paint colour names. His first GT4 video was the best on here in my opinion. Both superb.
Interesting that Jack states the 981 GT4 engine dies off near redline. I didn't experience that in the few that I've driven. Porsche says it makes peak power at 7400 which is only 400 below redline.
Yeah, I was surprised to hear that as well. I've got a 981 GT4, and that observation differs from my experience. But then again, I had the ECU tuned , and updated the headers some time ago, so perhaps thats alleviated the issue.
Even if it does die off near redline, you can’t feel it to confidently say you notice it. Blown out of proportion IMO. The motor is roaring at those RPMs; no one’s feeling a power dip.
One of the best car reviewers on the Tub, especially when the dual does the review!
8:35 and 20 mins video. Got work at 9. Perfect 👍
This is great timing, I just placed my order for one today!
Jesus, that launch was CRAZY! I can't believe it "dumps the clutch" at 6500 rpms like that, I wouldn't ever think to try that to get a good launch out of a manual!
Depends how sticky the tyres are and what the clutch holds. I can launch my s2k at 6000 revs also on sticky tyres, any more and it's just wheel spin
9000Redline guess I’m too used to my 6500 REDLINE 😂 I launch at 3500-4000, so it’s kinda proportional now that I think about it.
I need help. As an Italian who had a Countach poster on on his wall growing up and always discussed with my Italian family/friends that i love the 308/328s & F40/50s - is it wrong that I secretly really always wanted a Porsche? Am I a bad person???
Italian cars are still the most beautiful on the planet.
Matteo Cairoli is a factory Porsche driver...
It’s cars like this that make all the KiHonToyChev crossover videos worth it. Great job guys!
One of the best cars on the market. Unfortunately most of us can only dream to own one.
The average Porsche owner age is 50+. It takes time to save up, clearly, for most owners too. So don't feel too bad. The time may come..
I absolutely love the sound of Porsch engines. WOW
I was pulled over by a cop in northwestern Ontario Canada because my from plate was ajar. I got out to look at the plate. The officer said to me, what a nice car. I told him to enjoy the rest of his day then I took off. This was version 1 of the GT4. I replaced that car with a 2020 718 Spyder which is great except for the manual roof. Nice problem to have. Great review men.
so if you have a m6 instead of a PDK (-35kg) and you have carbon buckets vs the 18 way (-20 kg at least) then this car measured weight should be in the range of 1420kgs . Amazing.
Got to say I love the soundtrack in this video. And the sound quality. Wow! With a good quality headset, or speakers, it rocks. Kudos again SG
Symposium of Casio Keyboards............great line...bravo.
It’s cool to see people that do car reviews full time, and can still get in a new car and giggle. The real world still has hope 😊
these guys are truly car people..u can really just sense passion in their videos.
Jack's face at 10:56! Haha. I've got one of these and that's exactly the feeling when you floor it, ease off, downshift a few times, the revs hover around 5k and you just want to mash your foot through the floor again. You feel like a racecar driver. It sounds like a racecar., it races for the redline like a racecar... Yes there are fairly average cars that are just as quick, but that is totally missing the point. These NA flat 6 engines make you feel like a child.
Mark and Jack on the track…shit eating grins and lots of spins.
"What's going to hold you back here is that it doesn't have the power of the GT3..." -> Welcome the GT4 RS
Always enjoy your videos of you two enjoying Porsches.
Great production, i watched with pleasure, as usual.
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7:42 just an interesting observation, the new engine’s stats seems very similar to the S65 4.0L V8 from the E9X M3! Same displacement and similar power, torque, and redline. Just done with 2 less cylinders haha
Thats a great observation.
There are few new cars that make we want to put down that much money for a car that is, in essence, useless for all practical purposes - especially with the lower-price segment getting so good - but the GT4 is definitely one of them. Mark is really living the dream, being able to take all those awesome cars on track!
I appreciate how Mark & Jack refer back to and compare the other 718 4.0 cars in the Track Drive segment.
Discover you guys today, my good your lvl of Details and Quality is insanely good! Love you videos especially the one where you go more into detais of the components!
I'd really like to get one of these but it's a bit over the threshold of how much money I could responsibly spend on a car :(
Got tingles just seeing the video title. I'm here for all 20 mins
One of the best car channel out there.
Better put my order in so I get it in 2024… with a 3rd pedal of course!
9:18 man if you got this kind of money you deserve to the the exact vehicle you want, you go dude
Buying a new Porsche already puts you in rare air as far as income, buying a $120k Porsche for mostly track usage puts you in further rarified air. Despite the new GT4 being a spectacular car, for the average person with realistic funds who will mostly use it on the street, a pre-owned 981 Cayman S with the 3.4 normally aspirated flat 6 is probably the better overall car owning and attainable experience. Just don't drive the new GT4 back to back with it or you will end up hating life.
The shifts from that PDK is just music. That 4L sounds phenomenal
I'm a manual purist through and through, but God that PDK is something else.
That intro was just so gorgeous.
I never really understood the cross driller rotor design from an engineering standpoint. Slotted is way better because of surface area but still evacuates break dust
Pardon my ignorance Mr. Geese.... but how are you guys happier thrashing this around over the ZL1-1LE? I'm confused. I mean, I could have gotten one of these but went with the ZL1-1LE instead. I've already gotten used to full throttle acceleration and it doesn't scare me anymore. I just feel that the ZL1-1LE is the better track car all around. I mean it beats the GT4 in pretty much every category. Can you educate me as to why this one is so much more desirable aside form the Porsche emblem on the hood?
The ZL1 1LE is one of the best track cars of this generation, extremely capable. It just trades off a lot in terms of street use, visability, sound, auto trans does not match PDK. It also feel big compared to the 718. (Mid vs front engine) But... the ZL1 is again an incredible machine and value will be worth a lot someday.
@@savagegeese thanks for responding! I totally agree with its shortcomings. In fact, I think those shortcomings become more readily apparent once you’ve driven so many other cars that do other things well. I guess that maybe it all comes down to personal comfort. The bumps in the road do make for a jarring ride and I guess the Porsche does make a better daily driver hands down. I wish you guys could thrash a ZL1-1LE on the track. Maybe I’ll take a drive out to Michigan (or was Autobahn in Illinois? I forget) next season so yall can have a go in it! Thanks for the amazing content! As always it’s so informative and only a teenie weenie bit biased which I can respect. We all have biases so I ain’t mad atcha. Hahaha
Great review. Great sound and video. Cant afford one, but the GT4 and GT3 would be my favorite cars in the world for a track and fun summer only car..
Rich people buy insanely expensive flashy cars.. this would be my holy grail at 110 k . Which is not insanely priced.
Amazing machine. Can't wait to grab one for Black Friday this year.
Porsche spent years saying Cayman was stuck with long gear ratios because they couldn’t fit anything else in and not because it would be faster than the 911. Then magically fit in shorter ratios on the GT4 RS. Another great video! With your technical excellence, I hope you are now on Porsche’s short list for new cards to review.
Andreas Breuninger freely admits that the Cayman sits under the 911 in terms of performance. Of course he won't admit that long gearing also takes away some of the way of driving it on the road. Bit of a shame. I'd rather have Porsche detune the engine and give the manual shorter ratios
It deserves a manual! If you are PDK-person I would suggest a GT4 RS. But as a real drivers car (not all about record lap times, but more about being rewarded while setting any lap time) with a more timeless beauty (I even find it more beautiful than the GT3) to it, the GT4 is simply one of the peaks in car history!
You guys do great videos, definitely one the best on here for auto reviews
This Car is Perfect as the Track/Street/ Race replica car we all want.
If I cld only afford one lol
So, Mark/Jack. Would you rather have a GT4 for $150k (we know you won't find a base MSRP car), or an Evora GT for around $100k?
Spectacular video as usual, however I actually completely disagree with both of you about the Evora vs GT4 on the street. I owned both an Evora 400 (pretty much identical mechanically to the GT you drove) and a 718 GT4 at the same time and I found for street driving the Evora was much more fun mainly because the steering had even better feedback (not night and day just the Lotus is absurdly good), the suspension was more compliant, and the Lotus engine is much more characterful at normal road speeds where the GT4’s long manual gearing meant you weren’t often in the fun zone that often and below 5,000RPM it sounds diesel like especially as the exhaust valves have the weirdest opening and closing at random times throughout the rev range. The GT4 is just a more serious car and although I only had time to track it twice it’s definitely more track focused, but not necessarily any more fun. The biggest surprises were that although both cars had similar power ratings and weighed pretty much the same, the GT4 is significantly faster and made me question if the Lotus was really a 400HP car.....or the 4.0L in the Porsche was just underrated? Also, surprising was my GT4 has had several annoying squeaks from the hatchback area while the Lotus is as drum tight as any car I’ve driven. Anyways, they are both exceptional cars that to me are pretty much equals and having previously owned a 2016 981 GT4 I think the 4.0L is a far superior engine to the 3.8L despite that engine sounding significantly better at low to mid revs.
Another great review boys! I am in talks with a Porsche dealership in regards to a GT4-RS now it comes with a hefty premium and is something I have to consider but if I do get one. I will let you know asap!
You guys are making me rethink about that deposit I put down on the Emira...
Great to see Goose and Peking Duck bond in their adoration of this car!
9.5/10!
Winner Chicken Dinner!
Wow I was sitting on the loo and I really felt that launch. Thunderous
this with the DeMan stroker kit is all the car I would ever need for the rest of my life
Perfectly released as the GT4 RS dropped. I hope this finally lives up to what we've all always wanted (like we did when waiting *for decades* for GM to give the Camaro the exact same engine and tune as the Corvette Z06/ZR1 to the ZR1)
I've never clicked so quickly