This HP Z640 Workstation came with 12GB VRAM!
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- I bought this HP Z640 workstation PC from OzBargain here in Australia! It cost USD 251 shipped and is it trash or treasure? We will run some benchmarks and test games. Highlight is the Nvidia Quadro M6000 Graphics Card with 12GB of VRAM, the same as the currently launched GTX 4070.
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A similar machine to this, used, in Norway would cost over €1000. You got an amazing deal on that one
I really dig these machines. I bought two Z440 from an area business that was selling off some older gear. Both have E5- 2683 v4 CPUs, one with 32GB RAM and the other with 96GB, one with a Quadro K4200 and the other with a P400. Got them both for $200 combined. Simply fantastic home lab type machines.
Whoa,a great buy!!!
Damn. Great find!
With most games I've found & I think it's been tested. That in most games, "ultra" settings are more often than not visually indistinguishable from the 2nd highest option but have a major performance impact. Most of it being related to lighting & shadows. So high settings & max texture detail is often the best bet for these older GPUs that stay usable because of their giant VRAM pool. This whole thing for only $350 is an absolute steal considering it probably cost over $5000 back when it was new.
I have a pair of recycled Z420 machines that my son and I gamed on for the past 4 years. They are incredibly sturdy and reliable. Last Christmas we switched to the latest PCs but the Z420s are not e-waste. I loaded five hard drives and TrueNAS (which loves ECC memory) into one of them and they make awesome servers. Way cheaper and way more reliable than Synology. The parts issues you mentioned are not a problem because e-Bay is flooded with parts brokers and these machines have everything available for them at very cheap prices. These machines are so cheap that you can experiment with them and not risk a ton of money. Our second chassis is going to get modified so that it can take eight hard drives and I'll use a SAS controller for them. HP Z workstations are awesome.
I had similar computer at work in around 2013. Definitively the case was almost the same. Two Xeon processors 6 cores / 12 threads each, 64 GB RAM, Quadro GPU. Working as C++ developer, the RAM was plenty (32 GB would be enough), but I could always use some more CPU power. Solid foot heater under the desk.
Like for the Z620, there is a riser board available, to add a 2nd CPU with 4 DIMM slots.
Also, Registered ECC can be considerably cheaper than unregistered (UDIMM) on the 2nd hand market, because it cannot be used in consumer machines. Some older workstations did lower the memory speed when more slots were populated, not sure if this is the case with the Z640 with "only" 4 slots.
Also, these machines support bifurcation, which let's you split a x16 slot into 4 4x slots, meaning you can have some fun with cards like the Asus Hyper M.2 X16.
Wow, what an AWESOME find! I bought some Compaq Elite 8200 full desktop systems not long ago but *THIS* is an incredible find indeed! Thanks for showcasing it, Phil! 😃👍
Thanks for all the effort you put into these videos Phil. Awesome stuff.
Really enjoyed this video, Funny as time passes newer generations become retro in a way. So many great uses for older hardware..
Great video! But please remember, Afterburner reports VRAM allocation, which isn't the same as VRAM usage. Hardware Unboxed did a really good video on the difference. Usually, games allocate way more VRAM than they actually need to run.
Nice to see Horizon Zero Dawn.
It starts slow, clueless, but rapidly builds up the story and intrigue.
Amongst the top of my all-time-favorite games.
Happy Friday Phil! Love these workstations 😊
Love your content Phill Keep it coming..
This would be a great video editing machine. With 12GB of VRAM, you can even run some generative AI like stable diffusion on this.
cant wait to see you max it out!
Awesome deal -- nothing better than OzBargain :D -- lovin' my Aus YT creators lately... yourself, Psivewri , JanusCycle and so many more!
Please do the upgrades you mentioned to this machine ! Can’t wait to see the differences before and after !
Owned a couple of Z800s at one point. Excellent, well built machines.
Congratz, Phil!
As always, I really enjoy your videos. For the Z640, a cpu upgrade to E5-2667v4 gives you 8 cores with a max turbo of 3.6GHz or if you plan on staying with 1 cpu then the E5-1680v4 or E5-1660v4 are great choices. I have a few HP Z series workstations, really love the build and component quality. They are made for 24x7 operation. My latest is a Z4 G4 with a W-2145 cpu and I still use the older ones, like the Z820, Z620 and Z440 because they are to this day are still usable for my work.
Solid machine, especially for its price! And as you said, workstation quality.
I also have a Z440 that I have been playing with and I recently picked up a Z800. It's a total beast! I'm just getting ready to remove the 2TB that is pretty slow and I'll be installing a 1TB SSD.
Good to still include cinebench r15! I have tested countles cpu s with that one (including steam deck with 713Pts.).
The Quadro m6000 in that machine is hard to find for less than 150-160 USD/Euro (and that isn't even a bad price at all for what it can do), yet you got the whole machine for 250. Quite a steal! It would be sweet to find such a deal where I live...
Yes it sold out quickly! I missed out on the first batch, but didn't hesitate on the second one :D
love ur videos (watching right away)
Very very nice budget CAD workstation at that price especially with the m6000. Really appreciate the industrial HP and Lenovo workstations, they are tanks in terms of build quality.
That is truly a bargain. The same system retails for about 3 times that price here locally.
Quadro M6000 has power between GeForce 900 and 1000, so it makes sense. Also started in 2015... so if this is nine years old, the graphics must have been upgraded.
Would make sense as it has that 6pin to 8pin PCIe adapter.
Will be curious to see how bigger chips fare, because they mostly only go down in clockrate potential from where you already are with a 1650v3, although L3$ does go up. Decent gaming is a nice bonus, but I think the primary value in these second-hand X99 systems is in budget workstation/homelab uses where tons of cores and RAM can be had for extremely cheap.
Hopefully one day you do a review on the Quadro GP100. I'd do one with mine but I'm too lazy to do it
I want that thing. : )
Do those upgrades and repost!
Interesting that it came with a fibre optic card, very similar to the HP video editing machines we use at work. I wonder if it came from the Post Op Group collapse sale.
The Z640 has a quite good 4 drive RAID 5 controller. These make really nice NAS boxes, especially for the used price. You could put 4 large hard drives in it and load something like NextCloud on it. Probably a little bit power hungry compared to a small NAS though.
I got a HP EliteDesk 800 G2 SFF for a NAS box. It fits 2x3,5" only but gud luck finding something as cheap and as capable as these boxes. There is also a model with AM4 socket but it only supports bulldozers. HP got rid of 2 3,5" bays in their newer SFFs though.
I currently have one (albeit modified chassis extremely clean) with an e5-2699v4 (z420 liquid cooler on it) and a 1TB sabrent nvme SSD for boot with 128gb ecc ram, 2080Ti, 10GB hdd storage, its a monster going for a 3090 upgrade for this beast
Good deal where you live. Card alone is still expensive used in the UK.
Not as awesome as an x99 motherboard, but if you have kids and you are looking for stability for them, this is an AWESOME find. I gave my kids all Workstation machines. Keeps me from having to play with any of it that often. Their machines have more uptime than my own. Not by much but you know what I mean ;). Registered memory, no OC on the CPU and you can still run Afterburner and OC the video card....best of both worlds.
Feels nice to get a Z440 and a PowerEdgeR530 from someone who didn't want them. It's hilarious because the heatsink for the second CPU on the Dell was more expensive than the second CPU. With 12c/24t, a GTX 1650 and 64GB of RAM, it's not much faster than my laptop with a 3rd gen mobile AMD APU 4c/8t and GTX 1650, at least running benchmarks on Windows 11 for fun. Really cool machines though.
Having functional quad-channel can make quite a difference to application performance (depends on the task), but it would be fascinating to see the effect on gaming performance. Any chance you could fit an extra two 16MB DIMMs to provide quad-channel and run some comparative tests?
With older consumer boards (X79/X99), having quad-channel can help offset the lower RAM clock vs. newer designs, but that presumes the presence of higher clocked i7s and suchlike rather than XEONs, so can a XEON system even take advantage of the additional quad-channel bandwidth where gaming is concerned? As always, it'll likely depend on the game, resolution, settings, etc., influenced also by the GPU used.
Maybe one wouldn't see much difference with an M6000, and perhaps one would have to run more demanding games like Hogwarts and RE to see any tangible difference, though at that level one might be erring more toward a better GPU anyway. As always, there are so many variables to consider. Certainly, the larger VRAM of the M6000 is extending its longevity wrt being able to use better textures. RandomGamingInHD often talks about this, often maxing out textures when the VRAM is avaiable, while turning down other settings to raise the frame rate to an acceptable level.
Still, an excellent deal for that spec. Reminds me of the dual-socket Dell T7500 system I built long ago.
Btw, some multi-socket mbd listings on Aliexpress describe their channel configurations incorrectly. I convinced Kllisre way back to change the listing for one of their boards because it was described as 8-channel when the wiring was only quad. Buyer beware.
Great to see your face Phil!
I just love workstations from HP brilliant quality
It's interesting how these older systems get a lot of praise for having a good layout and design, but when GamersNexus looks at a pre-built Dell G-series desktop or Alienware, they just absolutely (and deservedly so) trash it in their review. They call out all the proprietary components and bad design "choices" like the "load-bearing CPU cooler mount" or the pseudo-ATX12VO power supply repurposed from a server. Do these older workstation systems get a pass even though they have proprietary components?
@@galland101 The quality of those nonstandard components plays a large role in the common opinions regarding them. People will give them a pass if they're built to last, as in the case of HP Z-workstation or Dell Precision. Crappy consumer level stuff will get rightfully roasted for both being proprietary and poor quality.
I love the HP Workstation PC's
I have the same z640 with Xeon 2667v4 8 cores. GTX 1080ti and it plays any new games very well. Best value gaming pc I've ever used.
I was upgrading my related HP Z440 recently and noticed HP has already started removing support files from their website.
The pdf manuals are already gone, but the drivers and BIOS files are still up... So anybody with a Z440/640/840 may want to archive those before they disappear too.
HP tends to remove support files after machines get 10+ years old... Terrible policy.
same here went to get some old drivers last night got this about 30 to 40 days ago win 10 failed i had already set up a win 7 as part of duel drive so did the down load auto there does seam to even have any win 7 drivers on there site (it ran over a hour should have been 3 min ) anymore but got all of them 30 days ago on the other hand windows said this would not run win 11 but they auto downloaded it and it worked fine i dont use it pulled that drive turned off that auto down load thing
Just some food for thought - V4 X99 CPUs are basically the same/slightly slower lower in terms of performance as the V3s. It's because IPC is mostly the same between Haswell and Broadwell, but the power consumption of the latter is lower. V3 are also cheaper and can be turbo boost unlocked - running at full throttle all the time.
Yes, a true worthy inversion for gaming!
ebay prices for that gpu on it's own is like $180-220 , and like $250 for Z640 workstations with no or a cheap GPU so sounds like you got a really good deal
Yes it was good. First batch sold out quickly. I got into the second batch didn't hesitate after doing research.
love your work, man! take a look at Lenovo Thinkstation p520-- they seem to be practically giving them away
I still get great performance on my HP XW6600, with a Xeon E5420. At least, performance is great on any games that don't require SSE4.2 or AVX. I installed an AMD RX570 GPU, and it is still speedy on emulation, web browsing, and indie games nearly 17 years later. A 16 year-old computer supports 32GB RAM...that is what boggles my mind. Got it for $20 at a thrift shop. Old workstations are most certainly still worth it, but keep in mind the lack of instruction sets the older you get. That alone causes me to want to upgrade a few years down the line, but it still certainly does the trick for now, even using it as a game server with Sunshine.
Had a quick look and can't find any in the UK with this M6000 GPU spec, all the ones at this sort of price have much cheaper GPU options. Think you got a bargain there!
This machine is great, I use its big brother HP Z840 put RTX 4090 on it and 2X Xeon E5 2699V4 with 512GB of ram, it run like heaven, I run video restoration business and this machine runs everyday rendering thousands of video footages, it can handle 4 videos converting simultaneously in TVAI and run 24x7 for months in full load of CPU and GPU and never face any problem nor shutdown, I use consumer grade PC with i9 14900K but it can't match HP Z840 reliability and stability in heavy duty environment, long life workstation, it speaks its quality and reliability
Amazing 🤩
"Harvey Norman and JB HiFi". I feel right at home hearing that on RUclips.
ECC Registered RAM (second hand of course, who'd buy it new?!) is actually cheaper than standard desktop memory, so it's an advantage.
That Icydock bay is worth half as much as that whole machine. That's a big win! Shame you don't need it.
Got the same deal in November 22 and added two extra 16GB ram. Now I'm looking for switch to beefy E5 2690v4 14 core turbo 3.2GHz which is around US$30😃
excelente video saludos desde Paraguay :,)
My thoughts on this machine is;
This would be nice to run TrueNAS scale on with a Plex server and home NAS
The world of workstations seems quite interesting, it seems like a better team than the low-end OEM gamer
There is also the Z840 which supports 2 CPUs so you can end up with 44 cores and 88 threads.
Phil, you mentioned single thread IPC is the downside of this setup. One way to tweak the performance is to use software overclocking with Throttlestop. The CPU voltage can't be adjusted but the max turbo can be pushed up on the unlocked E5-1650v3. You might be able to get to a stable 4 or 4.1 GHz on the first and second core, depending on the "compliance" of your CPU sample.
Never had success using this method. In general these HP workstations are sort of locked down when it comes to overclocking. Not saying it is impossible, but some methods involve modifying the BIOS with an external programmer... If you want to overclock you might be better off going with a Huanazhi board and custom build.
With Throttlestop, no BIOS modification is needed. It's just a windows program that allows for adjustment of the CPU clock multiplier "on-the-fly" so the BIOS is never even touched. The downside is that you have to do it after every startup. Some motherboards also allow the modification of the turbo power limit as well, but I think the HP boards do not have that ability.
I successfully used Throttlestop to tweak the operation frequency of unlocked Westmere, Ivy Bridge, Sandy Bridge, and Haswell CPUs on Dell (T5810) and HP workstations (Z400,Z600, Z420)
Might be worth a shot to see if you can extract a little more Single-Core performance from the good old E5-1650v3 😊
What wouldnt i give to have a PC at least like this. Mine is old by now, so i need a new one, always saying that but i cant get to it. But i really must address this issue.
What are the sound and wattage levels like from a workstation box like this? I've spotted one for sale locally, and it's very tempting to snag it. For now it'll be sitting out in the open as a NAS box, so noise levels are a key factor. And of course if it's running (mostly idling) 24/7 then efficiency is preferable too 😅
They are quiet, but do pull a fair amount of power when using high core count CPU. Broadwell CPUs are better for power saving.
What's the best budget pc, you would recommend to me,
That can be upgraded for gaming on maximum setting for all top level titles
I love these HP Workstations.
I have a very old HP Z600 Workstation with 2x Xeon X5675 CPUs, 48 GB Registered DDR3 and a GTX 950
For testing purpose, I had already a GTX 1160 Suprt and a RTX 3050 build in with surprising good results.
I'm thinking about buying a Z640/Z440 in the future
The big downside of a Z440 & Z640 is, that you can't run Windows 11 on them
@@octopusgaming4027 That's down a down side, it's a bonus!😁
@@octopusgaming4027 i got the z440 it auto downloaded win 11 and it works and yet cant get hp drivers for it as theres no place to put win 11 in the driver search i think the fact that no one wants it, they lowed some of the controls to let it load on 4th and 5th gen intels hell i did not want win 10 gives me the EeeBeeGeeBees to use 10 till i fix it look and feel like 7 win 10 it makes me think im on a cell phone , i liked 2000 XP and 7
Man you are lucky. I've been looking at buying a 4bay icy dock, but just a little out of my range at this time, and you just take it out like it is nothing. How could you do that?
That’s A LOT of computer for that price. Wow. Nice score! (original prices are laughable)
Just dropping into the comments to show some love...
Thanks 👍
You should restart the game to appy yhe settings in cyberpunk 2077.
I wonder how this would run with SBEMU bootable usb and some DOS games just for fun.
Thast a bargain man. Absolutely.
I got a hp z600 and a hp z800 the 800s are great. a pitty the 620 and 640 were single socket the 800s are all dual socket.
Carefull with the 22 core Xeon, it might not boot if you do not have their proprietary watercooling kit.
How would that get detected?
@@armorgeddon Bios level man before the boot everything is detected by the BIOS.
Ha, much love for ozb - responsible for so many impulse add-to-cart then rush to complete the purchase before the other bazillion people make it out of stock :-)
This is the way 😀
Are there any used HP Workstation models that also include (official Microsoft) support for running Windows 11?
I'm sure there are, it would be newer models that also cost a lot more.
I really like the case but, the hardware inside is not of interest to me. I would like to buy an 'empty' case and mod it as necessary to fit an ATX PSU, and my own choice of standardized hardware. I'm not a fan of RGB, glass fish bowl, case designs. I like a hearty front I/O, several 5.25" ODD bays, and plenty of interior space. Honestly , there isn't a single 'gaming' case on the market that checks all the boxes of features I would like to have. Not one.
HP pavilion 500 series good!
:D
just bought mine for $219. im also looking to max it out with dual cpu config with E5-2650 V4 hopefully.
I wouldn't go with dual CPU but rather a single high core count CPU. The 2667V4 is highly recommended, good blend between clocks and cores. Personally I'd want the top core count model but they aren't cheap.
@@philscomputerlab It came with 2667 V4. But like you said, and I think its a cheaper option to get dual CPU rather that opting for high spec core count cpu. I got the 2650V4 for $8 AUD each amazingly cheap and the CPU riser for $130
@@heyLucifurr There are inefficiency issues with dual sockets. Anyway, my advice is to go single CPU with high Core count, feel free to ignore but please do some research ☺️
@@philscomputerlab Sure. I can always re-sell the cpu riser if it doesnt live up to my expectations. Thanks for the heads up!
How did I miss this video? 😅
Some of these systems can handle overclockable chips and SOME can handle the Haswell V3 exploits. I would NOT recommend getting 18-22 core CPUs if your tasks require higher IPC. The 10 & 12 core chips work best for boost speeds as the TDP on all these is capped and the high end chips will be held back by core count. Personal recommendation is the OEM only 2666v3 a 10 core 20 thread chip with a 3.5Ghz all core. If your system can take the Turbo Unlock exploits you can get all 10 cores to 3.5Ghz. The 2666v3 is OFTEN found for $30-40 USD.
The 2697v3 14 Core can also do 3.5-3.6 allcore when unlocked.
@@toseltreps1101 once you get above 10-12 cores, you will lose max all core turbo speed due to TDP limits. You can undervolt, but it's harder and harder to hit the all core turbo. I would say, if single core speed is important, I would not go above the 12core 2690v3. You should be able to hit close to 3.5 all core with undervolting on that chip.
I personally own the 18 cores 2699v3 and the 10 core 2666v3. Even with turbo unlock exploits, my 2699v3 could only get around 2.8-2.9 all core. Meanwhile my 2666v3 is hitting 3.4-3.5Ghz constantly. I run both of these chips in workstation dual socket motherboards with these exploits.
Maybe,for the cpu an unlocked Xeon????
It's not "ultra detail" or "high detail". It's "ultra preset/settings" or "high preset/settings" because preset doesn't only affect detail related settings (LOV, texture resolution etc) but also reflection, AO quality, GI quality, soft shadows, and more importantly, lighting quality. Funnily enough texture resolution barely has any impact on performance as long as you've got enough VRAM.
Do you think there is any scenario where the 24GB version of the M6000 would help at all? I mean for gaming.
Going forward, maybe? But it's also possible that the M6000 will simply be too slow to run such games well.
@@philscomputerlab As far as I know the M6000 is the ultimate GPU that has support for CRTs. That’s why I was wondering. A newer GPU based on Pascal or later would need some kind of HDMI to VGA converter which tend to introduce lag at least the converter I have. I got the S3 equipped P3 Win98SE laptop I mentioned in another video. You showed that the S3 Savage4 can play FF7 and pass all the tests but ironically it refuses to even launch the game or the config. Every other game I’ve tried works so not sure why that is.
I was checking these Z640 Workstations out a few years ago and their main Achilles Heel are the lack of 8-pin PCIe power connectors from the power supply and the proprietary parts. You really have to be careful with what you're getting and triple-check the specs of the machine you're buying. You could wind up with a low-end dud that you need to sink money into, which defeats the purpose of buying a used Workstation PC in the first place. You also won't be able to legitimately install Windows 11 on them without hacks since they pre-date the Intel 8th Gen CPUs.
Yes I wanted Windows 10 🙂 Machine cane with a single 6 to 8 pin cable. I bought a dual 6 to 8 pin adaptor.
I met your channel in the AMD A8-3870K review...
Awesome!
Looking good phil, have you had a haircut? 😂
:D
The E5 CPU is not supported by Windows 11 ?
not officially, but it should have no problem running Windows 11, just have to do the bypass
Z ftw!
Can I mine on a workstation
Even more powerful that the 980ti?! Nice😊
Yes es he mentioned the M6000 is based on the Titan X which was the top model of the 900-series. Titan X has the full spec GM200 chip, the 980ti has 256 Shaders of the full 3072 deactivated and half the ramsize (980ti 6GB / Titan X 12GB) . The Quadro Version has slightly lower clockspeeds than the Titan X but not that much. There was even a 24 GB Version of the M6000
The King OptiPlex is dead! Long live its successor HP WorkStation!
Is it Windows 11 compatible ?
If you put your E5 2699 v3 in there I'm sure several of the games would show improved performance. 6 modern cores are enough, but with X99 I would want 8 or more cores. Unless it's one of the 6 core Broadwell-E i7's.
Wait where's the can we run retro games on modren hardware?
It runs Crysis :D
@@philscomputerlab 🤣🤣🤣
building a win 98 pc and watching you nothing better
Awesome! Me: Working on PCem project and reading comments :D
It looks like a nice capable machine which could run modern games quite decently despite the age.
how? none of the games used was modern he used gta that ran on the ps3 (gta5) the ps3 came out in 2006 fyi
It consumes around ~290Watt gaming? that is a win... 1000W power supply is too much headroom for additional devices!!!
Why didn’t you go for an NVME SSD?
I tested the machine how it came!
What type of ram, comes with these workstations
Registered ECC DDR4.
i like your videos
Of course it's future proof! It plays Crysis!
Sell the icydock and recoup half the cost of the machine