Seen them posted on eBay a few times but there is one catch, when in a 1.5v slot only one gpu worked and there was no way to get sli working. When these 1.5v keyed 5500s were on ebay they were selling for around $150-200 so it has been a while.
@@noth606 PCI versions are pretty rare because they weren't manufactured in quantity. Though, I'd never want one because the performance penalty is pretty steep. The only thing they're good for is like you said, PCI only boards and early Power Macintosh G3 systems with no AGP slot.
I remember I had dreams about the Voodoo 5 6000 when I was a kid.. walking into a toystore, and seeing boxes of voodoo 5 6000's stacked on top of eachother... but it never happend.. Voodoo FTW!
I remember the anandtech review of this card. when I saw that every other card was beating this I knew it was all over for 3dfx. Even the Voodoo5 5500 couldn't stop the Geforce or even the Radeon. Really sad since I was a huge Voodoo fan. I wish their dumb CEO had not spent almost 140 million buying STB and burning the company down
True, but you know the funny part? As processor speed steeped up above 1GHz... that first generation of T&L GF256 / GF2 / GF2MX became obsolete quickly as they were not strong enough. Gary Tarolli of 3dfx observed some weakness on nvidia first T&L implementation. I must add that on 3DMark2001 a GF2MX paired with an Intel Pentium II@450 was as useless as with AMD K62@450... Guess what? Putting a Pentium III 450 bumped the score a lot, suspicious dependence on SSE extensions... you fishy futuremark, lol. My experience with a Kyro2 64Mb ( Prophet4500XT ) showed me that. Never selling that card... this one equiped on a KT333 board with an AMD XP3000+ performs like a champion. Try it when possible ^^
@@tHeWasTeDYouTh Don't tell me, I followed closely that STG5500 possible gpu, guess that ST had to reestructure itself and graphics were their less profitable division. PowerVR found were its technology fits most, mobile. And their latest "Rogue" gpus pack quite a punch. But I still believe their approach is good for a "green" discrete gpu. As a side note: There was a Prophet4800( Kyro2@200Mhz ) that sold a small number of units. Has anyone seen it?
@@rawlynn2112 Aww I had a Prophet 4500XT paired with an 1800+ Athlon (Palomino?). I volt modded it for higher OC and eventually burned it up. Such a great card. I replaced it with a 128MB Radeon 9700 Pro
I waited to see the early reviews of the Voodoo4 cards, but was disappointed in the performance, so I splashed out and bought a Guillemot 3D Prophet II GTS 64MB card instead. At the time it was actually cheaper and had better performance. The Voodoo cards were priced at a premium level, and the GF2 had been out for a few months already, so I managed to pick up mine on a discount. At the time when I upgraded the video card, I was running a celery 400, which definitely didn't keep up! Pretty much straight away I upgraded to a PIII 1000EB, which I also got on sale since it had been out for a few months by then as well. Coupling the GF2 with a 19" Trinitron, my friends were practically drooling over that rig at LAN parties! We usually played at my mate's place, and he lived on the top floor of his apartment building, so they definitely weren't jealous of me having to carry up that big heavy monitor up all those flights of stairs!
My first pc upgrade was a Voodoo 3 back in "99. I played Quake 2 with my friend over dial-up. I remembered how amazed I was when I first fired up the game after the install. Good old days.
Thanks, Phil. These retro videos are great. During lockdown, I used this video as inspiration to upgrade my Windows 98 Dell Optiplex machine with the bizarre L-shaped 3DFx Voodoo4 4500 card, in this gaming rig's 1.5V AGP slot. I paired it with a 1.4GHz P4, a 256GB SD card solution for storage, and a Soundblaster Audigy 2 Platinum. I also have that same Diamond MX300 Aureal Vortex2 to compare EAX with A3D, and a Riva TNT2 to swap and compare performance. I want to put this combination here through its paces, though. Fun projects.
Ah, I remember hearing about the Voodoo 4 and 5, back when I was in college in 2000. I never actually got a 3DFX voodoo 4 4500, until back at 2012. I bought a used one that came with the box and original packaging for only $35, back then. I also bought a Voodoo 5 5500 shortly after, but only used it for about an hour until I changed it out. Unfortunately, I lost that card and many of my other belongings to a fire. When I put together my Pentium 3 600 MHz machine late last year, I slapped the Voodoo 4 in there, and I got performance similar to an overcharged Voodoo 3. In 3dMark 2000, I got an average score of 2900. But when I changed the processor to a Pentium 3 800 MHz, I got a score of 3200. I also had a Dell Dimension 4550 PC, with a Pentium 4 2.0GHz processor, and with the Voodoo 4, I had a 3DMark2000 score of around 3500. I heard the Voodoo 4 4500 is not as good for older games like the Voodoo 3, but my old games always ran great with my Voodoo 4 card. A couple of weeks ago, I bought a Voodoo 5 5500 and swapped my Voodoo 4 for the voodoo 5. The Voodoo 5 is an excellent card for older titles. It is much like the Voodoo 4, but significantly more powerful than the Voodoo 4 and can do 32 bit more better. In fact, with the Voodoo 5 5500, my PC benched from 3200 to 4200 on 3DMark 2000. I have found the Voodoo 4 to be a bit unusual, because the VSA-100 chipset the Voodoo 4 has was designed specifically to work in parallel with one or more of it's kind. I think 3DFX wanted to release a budget graphics card with their newest chipset on it. That would be my best guess as for the Voodoo 4's existence. The Voodoo 4 4500 is really just a slightly more powerful Voodoo 3, with official 32 bit color support and a few new features over the Voodoo 3. The Voodoo 4 card is not a bad card, and is great for old glide games, but that's about it.
This big problem of 3dfx it's was not to sell his chip to 3e party makers . A real stupid from 3dfx to do. And other problems the 3dfx voodoo 3 cards we'll try to find them it's was really low in stores . So people go for a Nvidia in that time.
Since the chip set was designed to work in parallel with another set is it possible to run Two Voodoo cards together? I also saw room for additional memory chips. Can more memory be added onto the board? Plenty of Old systems around to salvage parts from. I like using old hardware and max out it's performance. Giving new life to old equipment that most will send to a trash pile. I would think someone tried to make a better system for cheap once the new systems came out on the high-end. A lot of old hardware is being 'Rediscovered' in old storage units and homes where much of what some people had was left behind. A Retro Game Computer can definitely have better performance than was normal at that time, for a much lower cost.
Great video, Phil! Currently playing through Descent 3 on my Voodoo5 5500 AGP, Glide API, and my Pentium III-S 1.4GHz system. Runs extremely smooth and looks fantastic.
Beauty of CRT or high refresh LCD, its gonna look smoother based on framerate, refresh rate and animation interpolation etc. Glide was more mature but DirectX was low level and ubiquitous across cards, so it's later developments got much better and replaced most. Vulkan is superior to all of them really, tho thats debateable especially with DX12s newest implementation possibly - really depends on the game or whatever it's trying to do
Yes my son.. That was how a "GPU" looked like back in the day when daddy was young. It could do basically the same thing as the 2 kg tripple-fan monster spaceheater you have in your PC. Just a lot slower and less powerfull. Graphics innovation from 1980 to 2000: WUAU - Nice !! Graphics innovation from 2000 to 2020: So many settings - Let me see... I switch that on and it slows down the FPS (can't really see the difference) But I wan't that setting on. I need More POWER!! :)
yeah, but the games were fun back then. and the replay value is still valid even today. there is no current game that has anywhere near the same replay value.
The main difference is from 2004 onwards I could actually use my computer as a secondary heating unit, and it started making a dent on the electric bill haha
I seem to recall reading that the VSA-100 was actually supposed to be the succesor to the hardware in the Voodoo 2 but development fell way behind so 3DFX kinda did a hurry job on the Voodoo 3 hardware in as basically it was a Banshee with an extra TMU and higher clock speeds
Pretty much. You can think of it either as a clocked up Banshee with a second TMU or an improved Voodoo 2 with 2D support. The feature set didn't improve at all. The Voodoo 3 was fast, but other than that it was badly behind the times. The other graphics accelerator vendors were making products with much larger feature sets and general computing power had improved to the point where game developers really wanted to start using them. Just months after the Voodoo 3 was released, id launched Quake III - with 32 bit color, textures up to 512*512, and stencil shadows. The Voodoo 3 didn't support any of this. 3dfx killed itself with the Voodoo 3.
@@PixelPipes You talking about your fresh video on Fraps 99 software? Well I already have seen it, and already commented in comment section as well. When I see yours or Phil's video, I just simply click and watch. Can't help myself. I'm a simple man with simple retro needs Nathan ;).
I worked at PC World in the UK from late 1999 to late 2000. Used to get lots of customer returns and damaged boxes in the crate bin at the back of the warehouse. Usually they went back to base but sometimes the managers would let the employees buy items, especially if they were lacking accessories or the boxes were totally ripped. I bought a LOT of graphics cards back then, usually to sell on to my friends or to build PC's with which I'd then advertise in the local classifieds. I still have a few VooDoo 4's, only a single VooDoo 3 and a pair of VooDoo 2's which I actually use in an SLI Pentium III rig. I remember when VooDoo cards started to get owned by other chipsets and we ended up having a difficult time selling 3Dfx cards after that. Many got sent back to base. I had the opportunity to buy a lot of them, wish I had! Ah well.
This brings back memories.I had a voodoo Banshee.I had a amd card as well but changed it cause on the older hardware when ever a game got released you had to install a new driver.Glad were past that stage.You won't believe even new techies doesn't know about the extra features on gigabyte boards.
Thank You, I always appreciate Voodoo stuff. I have a "Mechwarrior 2 Mercs" PC with CRT monitor. I was lucky enough to got Sidewinder Precision Pro with the box, all manuals and driver cd (all I missed was a seal). I bought Voodoo card for it and apparently seller could not tell the difference between Voodoo 1 and 2, so I have a latter. I brought it to a local BattleTech mini convention and it was great. We even had a little tournament with kills per minute. Performance is still not the best and the card is not capable of rendering urban areas with highest details, but I like to have exactly the same experience as most of the players in 1998. The hardest thing was not actually find the card itself and good drivers. The hardest part was finding a cd with Titanium Edition of the game with 3dfx card support.
3dfx should have released overclocked versions of the V4 4500 and 5500 with 183 mhz and name them 4600 and 5600 or even with 200 mhz. Sadly they never did, even if that would have been very easy to do and would have helped 3dfx to better compete with the GF 2 MX and GTS.
@@AdmiralHorror yes it would have been much better for 3dfx to sell overclocked versions at 183 mhz or even 200 mhz and just name them Voodoo 4600 and 5600 to better compete against Nvidia. They sold their VSA chips at only 166 mhz when they sold even the Voodoo 3 at 183 mhz a year before.
They tried - but VSA-100 was clocked at 166mhz cause it was the only stable&safe combination at the time. They planned to update architecture with Daytona - VSA-100 but cloacked on 200 mhz, produced at 180 nm microns at with full DDR support to regain lost performance. But sadly it was already too late.
@@TurboMMaster most V5 5500 and V4 4500 with 6ns memory overclock to 180 -190 mhz, so I dont think it would have been a problem to release 183 mhz versions. If necessary in a smaller amount / number.
An interesting fact about 3DFX is that they were originally going to make the graphics for the Sega Dreamcast. I do wonder what GPU would it of been based on and how it would of affected the performance of the Dreamcast. Shame the deal fell through, would of been interesting for sure :)
@@ornim1 Probably would have. If they had gotten the Sega deal, they would have had the money to bring Rampage to market. The problem is that 3dfx just didn't execute product cycles well, and even if Rampage had been a hit, they'd have been late to market with the next product and the crisis would have just been delayed a year or two.
I've seen a couple of modded 4500s pop up on ebay over the years where the vram has been upgraded then there was one card where the owner had added dvi port, upgraded the vram, and replaced the gpu with a slightly newer version that clocked higher for all in all was around 20-40% faster than a stock card.
@@Queso305 you should put up some pictures on a image share im curious cause I want to see it. You should also sell it lol cause you could probably get 600 dollars for it or maybe even more
The good old 3dfx cards. Truth be told i still have my voodoo banshee from anubis which i bought new when it was just released, the card was actually shipped with bad vram causing pink screen artifacts unless you underclocked the vram. Didn´t impact the performance much and the card served me well for quite some time, first in my main rig and later in my 2nd rig (mainly for diablo2) after i upgraded to a tnt2 ultra in my main. Its a bid sad the company sort of died as more competition nowadays would be really good.
I had an V4 exactly like this a few years ago, but the glide compatibility is not great for old dos games, so i sold it. Nowadays i have a Diamond Monster 3D (V1 4mb) and a Voodoo 3 PCI 16mb. The V3 is the best all arounder for early W98 and other dos glide games.
i bought the 3dfx voodoo 3 2000 pci back in 99 for $99 at walmart, it was one heck of an upgrade over the S3 Virge DX that was in my system at the time.
Ah, the S3 Virge... slow and buggy. When games did work on it properly, running at 320x240 actually is somewhat decent. If only it wasn't severely lacking in blending modes...
What I have: Voodoo 1, Voodoo 2, Banshee, Voodoo 3 3000, Voodoo 4 4500, Voodoo 5 5500. I always look for the next Voodoo in my Collection :) Thanks Phil for the Video!
I had a Voodoo 4 4500 Mac Edition (PCI w/DVI interface, otherwise the same), Voodoo 2 1000 (x2), Voodoo 3 3500 TV, and Voodoo 5 5500 - complete in box. Sold them on ebay for ~$35 - $50 CAD each in 2004 - 2005 as I dumped old hardware because no one wanted slow outdated cards at the time. Even worse, my in box soundcards including a Gravis Ultrasound MAX and Aureal SQ2500 sold for almost nothing.
Phil delivers once again! I love that you used the socket 754 platform for the video. It's interesting to me how the voodoo 5 5500 is 3.3v 2x only but the 4 4500 is 1.5v 4x. Also nice trick with the capture card driver! Looking forward to the next video!! Cheers!👍
I do wonder why the V4 ended up being the only card with 1.5V compatibility. I received feedback the V4 was the last card to be released, so maybe it was just because of that. The final Voodoo card coming out of the factory and that's why it had the newer AGP interface.
The UNISOUND video brought me to your channel and I must say I'm giving serious thought to doing some retro computing with what old hardware I still have. So much so, I had to make a video discussing the UNISOUND, your channel, and your MS-DOS starter pack. I don't think I still have EISA hardware around, but definitely some early gen P-4.
I'll still be sticking with my viper V550 (or hybrid TNT2 Vanta/M64) and SLI Voodoo2. The screen I run my 98 machine with is only 1024x768 anyway (though the screen is native 85Hz).
The 90s: “Lets call our new line of 3D-cards: VOODOO!” The 20X0s: ”How does the RX 480 sound? Didn’t Nvidia kinda name one of their cards that before, tho? Who cares...”
Both companies re-use their numbers though. I had the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro in the early 2000s and a few years later Nvidia released their own Geforce 9800 cards.
There is zero creativity in the marketing departments of those companies. GeForce has been in use for 21 years, Radeon for 20. Nvidia recycled the SLI trademark from 3dfx, and then "GeForce FX" was contrived to be reminiscent of 3dfx. AMD reused ATI's old "Fury" name. Reusing the numbers is just one aspect of plagiarizing tired old names.
Where is the difference? 3DFX came up with a Brand Name once and used it for all their cards from then on, also not very creative. You should compare the Voodoo Brand Name to the Radeon Brand Name and not the Modell number.
0:57 Hah, you got horizontal shadow lines that goes from top to down , you see it ? I got that same problem with my radeon 9600 pro from Gigabyte, in 2003 , even complained and returned and brought 9600xt , from same Gigabyte , after some testing I realized that it has also, but much less noticeable, but there was, really annoying if you are perfectionist .
I remember buying my first PNY TNT2 3D card, I was thrilled by the graphic performance of the card. I was using the Rage 3D before that so it was a big upgrade in performance. I never got a chance to get a real Voodoo card back then. Plus they were a little pricey.
Yay finally Phil ! I thought back when you did more retro videos that you would use the Voodoo 5 5500 in single cheap mode to emulate the 4500 but I'm glad I was wrong ! Nice video as always :D I'm waiting in several years when you'll do a review of the Voodoo5 6000 :P just kidding it's too expansive but I think we all dream of it :D
Did you ever see videos of the 3DFX Voodoo 5 9000? That is one crazy PC card. It literally has 32 VSA-100 chipsets and needs 4 molex connectors. I have heard of the Voodoo 5 6000, and I read it could easily overtake the Geforce 2 Ultra, but the price would not have been worth it.
Back in the day, used to have the Voodoo 5 5500. It was a really beautiful card and made every other viddy card look crummy in comparison. Got full use of that card, and then sold it for a song after Xp and better hardware became available. But it sure did look sweet in games. The card needs to be retired to the Smithsonian, unless you still have a bunch of Win 98 games and build a retro rig. I recently built a Win 98 machine using a Nvidia 8X AGP for almost no cost for playing Doom/others. But Win 98 is such a disaster OS, even with the latest unofficial service pack, although it did help out a lot. Thanks Phil . . .
Speaking of the Voodoo 4500 PCI edition. Saying it's rare and costs more is an understatement. Finally found one for my collection, in the box, and it set me back €550.
9:13 i dont like that idea when using a CRT ! It can be dangerous. Many years (at least 13) ago i used Kanotix Live CD with my 19" CRT, and that crazy Linux Distribution nearly grilled my CRT, because it send wrong stuff (who know's what) to my CRT. I was using 1024x768 with 60hz, but for some reason my CRT started to smell like if something was burning and i saw a little bit smoke, i immediately shut the monitor down, and never ever used Kanotix again. I used that Monitor until 2014 without any Problems and some other Linux Distros.
No, that's what happens, if for some reason timings are screwed up. There's not only the Resolution and hz You can blow up your CRT with wrong timings. If you cant go over a resolution then the EDID is not detected right. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Display_Identification_Data If you use older NVidia Cards (Drivers with the old NVidia Menu, not that blowed up simple garbage thing) you can see that theres way more as just the horizontal & vertical resolution and hz. lh6.ggpht.com/_xp8rMrfWWZ0/Sg4mdG1H7tI/AAAAAAAAAVg/yJBCjZenWM0/image_thumb[3].png?imgmax=800 www.nvidia.com/content/Control-Panel-Help/vLatest/en-us/mergedProjects/nvdsp/Custom_Timings_Dialog_Box.htm en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Video_Timings en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalized_Timing_Formula Now if you assign some monitor that use standard/general settings then anything is allright, if you assign something that use the wrong stuff for your CRT, then it can be critical. You can even create trouble or correct trouble on LCD's notestoneunturned.blogspot.com/2009/05/how-to-stop-samsung-204b-lcd-monitor.html
Thank you for this great review Phil ! That card was quite unpopular back then, it was good and capable but it came too late... Competition was fierce, Nvidia had a full range of cards, and Geforce2 MX gave it a hard time with agressive prices and better overall performances. Voodoo 4 had shitty drivers back then, and except his FSAA & glide, hadn't much to offer. (Difference is huge with custom newer drivers, for example, serious sam was barely playable with early drivers, but very nice at 30fps with later mid-2000 drivers.) Had a couple of voodoo 4 back in 2001, bought for 30$ each if i remember well, a bargain ! I sold one of these two years ago, after 17 years of good services. (About 200$ on ebay, don't know if it's more expansive now.) Don't know where my second voodoo 4 is, hope to find it one day in my parent's home old stuff. Great memories with these cards nonetheless.
Serious Sam works great even with a Voodoo 3 with medium details at 1024x768 at 30-60 fps on a fast CPU. Just look at my videos, see the Serious Sam video.
@@3dfxvoodoocards6 I had a Voodoo 3 3000 in 2000, before i got the Voodoo 4. Loved it :) Sure, it may run Serious Sam smoothly with a faster CPU and updated drivers. But I was talking about the 2001 drivers and CPU experience.
Been hunting for one of these for years... but I can't bring myself to pay the prices for it on ebay. I haven't seen one outside of ebay... so I'm just sitting here hoping i'll come across an affordable Voodoo4 4500 someday. It's the only 3DFX graphics card that's not in my collection at the moment.
IronicTonic Damn, I probably have mine, along with a whole bunch of other “multi media kits”, microsoft ffb joysticks etc. All in my parents house lol. Perhaps one day you may see mine on ebay.
@@vcolinc The $4500 usually goes for $200+ if someone knows what they have. The 5500 is over the place, but typically between $200-250. If you have the complete card in box set the price will go up even further.
@@IronicTonic8 They were very expensive when new, but usually when superseded, computer parts just became junk. I remember I bought a Banshee when they were new for something like $130 if I remember, which was hard for people to understand when you could nearly buy a PlayStation for the cost of a graphics card alone.
Got this card in 2001 when 3Dfx was already dead. Play games with this card from 2001 and 2002 was painful. My cousin had GeForce2 MX which was much more faster. But I still have this card, and it is very nice as alternative for Voodoo 2, or Banshee. It has different render in Tomb Raider 1996, more like PowerVR. Later I found out that Banshee and Voodoo 3 have tha same render, when Voodoo 2 have render which looks like Voodoo graphics
I used an Nvidia Geforce 2 GTS and a glide wrapper in those times. The Voodoo 1,2,3 were good cards, but by the time Geforce 2 came out, it was over for 3DFX.
FYI the drivers have 'Force 32bit colour' in Glide, and it works 100% for every game. I took screenshots in Unreal with the option on/off and it 100% works. Careful with 'tweaked' drivers, as they break this option. Also - the 3dfx Windows 2000 drivers are excellent!
I think they gained a bunch of their design teams with the deal, particularly those working on the unreleased Rampage project, and the first products they were involved in designing at nVIDIA were the FX series.
The idea behind Avenger (Voodoo 3) & VSA-100 (Voodoo 4&5) was for 3dfx to have option for each price segment in 1999. Voodoo 3 & Voodoo 4 used to have very similiar performance, with Voodoo 4 offering additional graphical effects for extra price. Voodoo 5 5000&5500 used to be absolutely high end for more demanding players and Voodoo 5 6000... I quess it was mostly to make sure that no flagship can't beat 3dfx as performance king I quess. Later, VSA-100 used to be updated with higher frequency, DDR support and 180 nm technology. Unfortunetly, the idea idea backfired horribly once Voodoo 5 5500 was 6 months late. Because of it, 3dfx was effectively generation late.
I still have my Voodoo collection, and of coarse the price is my Voodoo4 4500 With the box, discs and papers. The other have a place on a wall in my computer lab. in the collection is my Voodoo Banshee, 2 Voodoo1 4MB (one was damaged), Voodoo2 8MB (I think), Voodoo3 3000, Voodoo4 4500 and the Voodoo5 55000. My first experience with 3DFX was looking for a 3D card for Black & White, a shop was selling a Voodoo2 AGP for $40 back in 2000 and I nabbed it, turned out the guy had no idea what he had and it was my first Voodoo3 3000. Only other card to get the royal wall placement is my Nvidia Tesla M2050 (with 2 missing caps..)
Nice. Those cards are very expensive in my country. With which graphics cards would you replace the voodoo 4 that provide similar performance in glide games? (using nglide)
I have collected most of the 3dfx graphics cards that were made. Not from every brand, but mostly one variation of every GPU; from the Voodoo 1, all the way to the Voodoo5. I once saw a Voodoo 5 6000 go on sale on ebay. This was in 2002. It was selling for almost $1,000 bucks... even back then. I was very surprised to see how much Voodoo cards are going for these days. I collected all my cards just because I really missed 3dfx. I had no idea they would be gaining value like this! I am surprised, to say the least. I do need to collect a Voodoo 4 4500 though. That's the one I dont have. I think I need to get the Voodoo3 1000 as well. Any of you guys have the Voodoo Velocity cards??
Good card but I promised eternal fidelity to 3500. I have registered issues with 4500 and (old) games of Glide and DOS in my book. V3 has a better compatibility without 32 bits. Did you check it? Thanks
I run my modern 5700xt Ryzen 5 3600 system like a time machine a lot of the time lol. Doom 2, just finished the first FEAR, Quake 1&2, Morrowind etc. Doom 2 on Vulkan runs great. Gotta love low-level APIs lol. Ive never been a "it has to look like blurry crap like it did when i was a kid" type person.
I still got a bunch of 3dfx cards, I was thinking of making a retro machine out of the voodoo 4 4500 I have. I would use my voodoo 5 5500 but the agp port wont fit on the mother board cause its made for older agp slots and it wont fit unlike the voodoo 4 with its 3 sections split out will fit any agp slot.If anyone is unaware they made quantum 3d aalchemy systems with either 8 all the way up to 64 vsa-100 chips
Oh yeah, I remember that AGP port issue. Back in 2006 I happen to obtain an old Pentium 4 machine, so I planned to turn it into a retro-gaming PC. The first choice of display card was Voodoo5 5500 of course, but it couldn't fit into AGP4X slot, as a result I had to find one Voodoo4 4500 from eBay, since I only have V3 and V5 cards, and none of them fit. Anyway I finally got one, along with other Voodoo cards, I think I should had collected every major Voodoo card. I also have a question, does Voodoo 4 4500 fully support AGP features? In 3dmark2000 there's one 64MB texture test, Voodoo 5 5500 will fail to perform, because it doesn't fully support AGP, and has only 32MB of RAM per chip. But Voodoo 4 4500 can run this test smoothly. Until now i'm confused with this question.
I have one in my stash but a capacitor has been knocked off, are there any schematics out there or BOM that I can follow so that I can order a new one from Digikey?
That card was badass bacon the late 90s as it was very fast. NVIDIA bought the rights to it and improved the technology.I remember Rendition Verte it's closest competitor. I once own a Matrox Mystique and it too was fast but the features were plain. People mock it calling it Matrox Mistake.
There is actually a Voodoo 5 5500 AGP 4x Edition, hard to find but it can be found with some patience and deep pockets!
Seen them posted on eBay a few times but there is one catch, when in a 1.5v slot only one gpu worked and there was no way to get sli working. When these 1.5v keyed 5500s were on ebay they were selling for around $150-200 so it has been a while.
@@MrKillswitch88 I didn't know that :)
now that price is for the regular V5. I'm happy I have one and don't think I'll ever sell it.
Registrazioni Duemillaottonove I have the PCI Voodoo 5 5500, my brother bought it back in the day for his Aptiva that didn't have AGP :-)
@@noth606 PCI versions are pretty rare because they weren't manufactured in quantity. Though, I'd never want one because the performance penalty is pretty steep. The only thing they're good for is like you said, PCI only boards and early Power Macintosh G3 systems with no AGP slot.
@@registrazioniduemillaotton6030 regular voodoo 5 now is like 300!
I remember I had dreams about the Voodoo 5 6000 when I was a kid.. walking into a toystore, and seeing boxes of voodoo 5 6000's stacked on top of eachother... but it never happend.. Voodoo FTW!
I remember the anandtech review of this card. when I saw that every other card was beating this I knew it was all over for 3dfx. Even the Voodoo5 5500 couldn't stop the Geforce or even the Radeon. Really sad since I was a huge Voodoo fan. I wish their dumb CEO had not spent almost 140 million buying STB and burning the company down
Yea that killed it. Overnight, every graphics card manufacturer became enemy of 3dfx.
True, but you know the funny part? As processor speed steeped up above 1GHz... that first generation of T&L GF256 / GF2 / GF2MX became obsolete quickly as they were not strong enough. Gary Tarolli of 3dfx observed some weakness on nvidia first T&L implementation.
I must add that on 3DMark2001 a GF2MX paired with an Intel Pentium II@450 was as useless as with AMD K62@450... Guess what? Putting a Pentium III 450 bumped the score a lot, suspicious dependence on SSE extensions... you fishy futuremark, lol.
My experience with a Kyro2 64Mb ( Prophet4500XT ) showed me that. Never selling that card... this one equiped on a KT333 board with an AMD XP3000+ performs like a champion. Try it when possible ^^
@@rawlynn2112 wish the Kyro III had come out in 2002. another huge loss for the dedicated gpu market
@@tHeWasTeDYouTh Don't tell me, I followed closely that STG5500 possible gpu, guess that ST had to reestructure itself and graphics were their less profitable division.
PowerVR found were its technology fits most, mobile. And their latest "Rogue" gpus pack quite a punch. But I still believe their approach is good for a "green" discrete gpu.
As a side note: There was a Prophet4800( Kyro2@200Mhz ) that sold a small number of units. Has anyone seen it?
@@rawlynn2112 Aww I had a Prophet 4500XT paired with an 1800+ Athlon (Palomino?). I volt modded it for higher OC and eventually burned it up. Such a great card. I replaced it with a 128MB Radeon 9700 Pro
I waited to see the early reviews of the Voodoo4 cards, but was disappointed in the performance, so I splashed out and bought a Guillemot 3D Prophet II GTS 64MB card instead. At the time it was actually cheaper and had better performance. The Voodoo cards were priced at a premium level, and the GF2 had been out for a few months already, so I managed to pick up mine on a discount. At the time when I upgraded the video card, I was running a celery 400, which definitely didn't keep up! Pretty much straight away I upgraded to a PIII 1000EB, which I also got on sale since it had been out for a few months by then as well. Coupling the GF2 with a 19" Trinitron, my friends were practically drooling over that rig at LAN parties! We usually played at my mate's place, and he lived on the top floor of his apartment building, so they definitely weren't jealous of me having to carry up that big heavy monitor up all those flights of stairs!
My first pc upgrade was a Voodoo 3 back in "99. I played Quake 2 with my friend over dial-up. I remembered how amazed I was when I first fired up the game after the install. Good old days.
at laaaast, video of top kind! the best of your channel Phil, thanks for content worth attention, you know we love 3Dfx
More to come!
👍👍👍 I have an old Diamond Monster Voodoo2 8 Mb, I ❤️ the 3DFX cards! Nice video!
i have two of them
Damn I feel old. I remember waiting in line with my dad at a computer store for the midnight release of Windows 95!
Lol. Good times.
@@kevintsangmsc true
I love your videos! It's so nice to just crack open a cold one, kick back in my chair, and watch you geek out for 20 mins!
Glad you enjoy it!
Thanks, Phil. These retro videos are great. During lockdown, I used this video as inspiration to upgrade my Windows 98 Dell Optiplex machine with the bizarre L-shaped 3DFx Voodoo4 4500 card, in this gaming rig's 1.5V AGP slot. I paired it with a 1.4GHz P4, a 256GB SD card solution for storage, and a Soundblaster Audigy 2 Platinum. I also have that same Diamond MX300 Aureal Vortex2 to compare EAX with A3D, and a Riva TNT2 to swap and compare performance. I want to put this combination here through its paces, though. Fun projects.
Phil´s Computer Lab new episode, Friday and 3DFX...what else can we ask for?
Free beer?
@@holgerwikingsen713 Haha, true!
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Never had the pleasure of owning a 3dfx card, but I've always been fascinated by how smooth gameplay looks on optimized games.
I still have a VooDoo 5 5500 in the box. I used a sweet Voodoo 2 & 3 back in the day and loved them.
Ah, I remember hearing about the Voodoo 4 and 5, back when I was in college in 2000. I never actually got a 3DFX voodoo 4 4500, until back at 2012. I bought a used one that came with the box and original packaging for only $35, back then. I also bought a Voodoo 5 5500 shortly after, but only used it for about an hour until I changed it out. Unfortunately, I lost that card and many of my other belongings to a fire. When I put together my Pentium 3 600 MHz machine late last year, I slapped the Voodoo 4 in there, and I got performance similar to an overcharged Voodoo 3. In 3dMark 2000, I got an average score of 2900. But when I changed the processor to a Pentium 3 800 MHz, I got a score of 3200. I also had a Dell Dimension 4550 PC, with a Pentium 4 2.0GHz processor, and with the Voodoo 4, I had a 3DMark2000 score of around 3500. I heard the Voodoo 4 4500 is not as good for older games like the Voodoo 3, but my old games always ran great with my Voodoo 4 card. A couple of weeks ago, I bought a Voodoo 5 5500 and swapped my Voodoo 4 for the voodoo 5. The Voodoo 5 is an excellent card for older titles. It is much like the Voodoo 4, but significantly more powerful than the Voodoo 4 and can do 32 bit more better. In fact, with the Voodoo 5 5500, my PC benched from 3200 to 4200 on 3DMark 2000. I have found the Voodoo 4 to be a bit unusual, because the VSA-100 chipset the Voodoo 4 has was designed specifically to work in parallel with one or more of it's kind. I think 3DFX wanted to release a budget graphics card with their newest chipset on it. That would be my best guess as for the Voodoo 4's existence. The Voodoo 4 4500 is really just a slightly more powerful Voodoo 3, with official 32 bit color support and a few new features over the Voodoo 3. The Voodoo 4 card is not a bad card, and is great for old glide games, but that's about it.
This big problem of 3dfx it's was not to sell his chip to 3e party makers .
A real stupid from 3dfx to do.
And other problems the 3dfx voodoo 3 cards we'll try to find them it's was really low in stores .
So people go for a Nvidia in that time.
Since the chip set was designed to work in parallel with another set is it possible to run Two Voodoo cards together? I also saw room for additional memory chips. Can more memory be added onto the board? Plenty of Old systems around to salvage parts from. I like using old hardware and max out it's performance. Giving new life to old equipment that most will send to a trash pile. I would think someone tried to make a better system for cheap once the new systems came out on the high-end. A lot of old hardware is being 'Rediscovered' in old storage units and homes where much of what some people had was left behind. A Retro Game Computer can definitely have better performance than was normal at that time, for a much lower cost.
@@robrocksea I would be surprised if you could not, as 3DFX were always about the SLI.
I use this card with a Pentium 3 Tualatin 900mhz, 512 mb RAM and a Turtle Beach Montego II. Killer machine for Retro PC gaming !
Great video, Phil! Currently playing through Descent 3 on my Voodoo5 5500 AGP, Glide API, and my Pentium III-S 1.4GHz system. Runs extremely smooth and looks fantastic.
glide looks way better and smoother
it does. when he was looking at the floor, glide was at 60+ fps and d3d was at around 45
Beauty of CRT or high refresh LCD, its gonna look smoother based on framerate, refresh rate and animation interpolation etc. Glide was more mature but DirectX was low level and ubiquitous across cards, so it's later developments got much better and replaced most. Vulkan is superior to all of them really, tho thats debateable especially with DX12s newest implementation possibly - really depends on the game or whatever it's trying to do
Yes the colors always looked warmer at least, and you can see this in the side by sides here.
@@vcolinc yeah definitely the most easy to see difference is in the color
Yes my son.. That was how a "GPU" looked like back in the day when daddy was young. It could do basically the same thing as the 2 kg tripple-fan monster spaceheater you have in your PC. Just a lot slower and less powerfull.
Graphics innovation from 1980 to 2000: WUAU - Nice !!
Graphics innovation from 2000 to 2020: So many settings - Let me see... I switch that on and it slows down the FPS (can't really see the difference) But I wan't that setting on. I need More POWER!! :)
yeah, but the games were fun back then. and the replay value is still valid even today. there is no current game that has anywhere near the same replay value.
The main difference is from 2004 onwards I could actually use my computer as a secondary heating unit, and it started making a dent on the electric bill haha
Great video as always Phil! This is a board I still (luckily) have. Not installed at the moment, but working on a new build for it. Thank you!
This motherboard and CPU was my very first own PC back in the days of Windows XP. So nice to see it again!
I seem to recall reading that the VSA-100 was actually supposed to be the succesor to the hardware in the Voodoo 2 but development fell way behind so 3DFX kinda did a hurry job on the Voodoo 3 hardware in as basically it was a Banshee with an extra TMU and higher clock speeds
Pretty much. You can think of it either as a clocked up Banshee with a second TMU or an improved Voodoo 2 with 2D support. The feature set didn't improve at all. The Voodoo 3 was fast, but other than that it was badly behind the times. The other graphics accelerator vendors were making products with much larger feature sets and general computing power had improved to the point where game developers really wanted to start using them. Just months after the Voodoo 3 was released, id launched Quake III - with 32 bit color, textures up to 512*512, and stencil shadows. The Voodoo 3 didn't support any of this. 3dfx killed itself with the Voodoo 3.
That's why they should spend 140 millions on hiring new engineers instead of buying STB and shifting they entire strategy LOL.
A Phil video about a Voodoo!? It's just like the good old days!
Now there's a card I'll never own. :) You know I love your videos about graphics cards, and this is no exception!
PixelPipes mate, you need to start recording on regular basis again ;). I'm happy that you are back!
@@Cpt_Wolf I just posted a video!
@@PixelPipes You talking about your fresh video on Fraps 99 software?
Well I already have seen it, and already commented in comment section as well. When I see yours or Phil's video, I just simply click and watch.
Can't help myself. I'm a simple man with simple retro needs Nathan ;).
I worked at PC World in the UK from late 1999 to late 2000. Used to get lots of customer returns and damaged boxes in the crate bin at the back of the warehouse. Usually they went back to base but sometimes the managers would let the employees buy items, especially if they were lacking accessories or the boxes were totally ripped. I bought a LOT of graphics cards back then, usually to sell on to my friends or to build PC's with which I'd then advertise in the local classifieds. I still have a few VooDoo 4's, only a single VooDoo 3 and a pair of VooDoo 2's which I actually use in an SLI Pentium III rig.
I remember when VooDoo cards started to get owned by other chipsets and we ended up having a difficult time selling 3Dfx cards after that. Many got sent back to base. I had the opportunity to buy a lot of them, wish I had! Ah well.
This brings back memories.I had a voodoo Banshee.I had a amd card as well but changed it cause on the older hardware when ever a game got released you had to install a new driver.Glad were past that stage.You won't believe even new techies doesn't know about the extra features on gigabyte boards.
Hehe for some reason CTRL+F1 is not well documented.
Thank You, I always appreciate Voodoo stuff. I have a "Mechwarrior 2 Mercs" PC with CRT monitor. I was lucky enough to got Sidewinder Precision Pro with the box, all manuals and driver cd (all I missed was a seal). I bought Voodoo card for it and apparently seller could not tell the difference between Voodoo 1 and 2, so I have a latter. I brought it to a local BattleTech mini convention and it was great. We even had a little tournament with kills per minute. Performance is still not the best and the card is not capable of rendering urban areas with highest details, but I like to have exactly the same experience as most of the players in 1998. The hardest thing was not actually find the card itself and good drivers. The hardest part was finding a cd with Titanium Edition of the game with 3dfx card support.
3dfx should have released overclocked versions of the V4 4500 and 5500 with 183 mhz and name them 4600 and 5600 or even with 200 mhz. Sadly they never did, even if that would have been very easy to do and would have helped 3dfx to better compete with the GF 2 MX and GTS.
i could be wrong, but i think there is a small number of people modding faster ram onto the older cards for more performance.
Should've just made the 4500/5500 run at 183mhz or higher right out of the gates.
@@AdmiralHorror yes it would have been much better for 3dfx to sell overclocked versions at 183 mhz or even 200 mhz and just name them Voodoo 4600 and 5600 to better compete against Nvidia. They sold their VSA chips at only 166 mhz when they sold even the Voodoo 3 at 183 mhz a year before.
They tried - but VSA-100 was clocked at 166mhz cause it was the only stable&safe combination at the time.
They planned to update architecture with Daytona - VSA-100 but cloacked on 200 mhz, produced at
180 nm microns at with full DDR support to regain lost performance. But sadly it was already too late.
@@TurboMMaster most V5 5500 and V4 4500 with 6ns memory overclock to 180 -190 mhz, so I dont think it would have been a problem to release 183 mhz versions. If necessary in a smaller amount / number.
Very informative video, as always! The Voodoo 4 4500 AGP works in my AMD Athlon Slot A T-Bird 1 GHz machine. :)
Nice! We don't see to many Slot A machines... Most go for the Pentium III.
I like the Intel and AMD Slot CPUs, they look so beautiful. For PIII Katmai, I use a V3 3000 and for the Coppermine 1Ghz Slot 1, I use V2 12MB in SLI.
@@philscomputerlab I forgot to ask: Maybe you can make a video about the AMD Slot A platform in the future? 🙂
@@3DfxAslinger yea maybe...
Great video thank you...I used to have 2 Voodo 2 cards in SLI and enjoyed most of my time with those cards.
i wish they had released that 4 chip monster....what a beast!..excellent video Phil..love your content..
An interesting fact about 3DFX is that they were originally going to make the graphics for the Sega Dreamcast. I do wonder what GPU would it of been based on and how it would of affected the performance of the Dreamcast. Shame the deal fell through, would of been interesting for sure :)
Including it could've played a part in 3dfx's survival
@@ornim1 Probably would have. If they had gotten the Sega deal, they would have had the money to bring Rampage to market. The problem is that 3dfx just didn't execute product cycles well, and even if Rampage had been a hit, they'd have been late to market with the next product and the crisis would have just been delayed a year or two.
I've seen a couple of modded 4500s pop up on ebay over the years where the vram has been upgraded then there was one card where the owner had added dvi port, upgraded the vram, and replaced the gpu with a slightly newer version that clocked higher for all in all was around 20-40% faster than a stock card.
Amazing what the community is capable off! DVI output would be nice, I could use that...
@@kyles8524 I have one that was modded with 64 mb and dvi output, and the last revision -320 chip for 200mhz overclock. It's great
@@Queso305 you should put up some pictures on a image share im curious cause I want to see it. You should also sell it lol cause you could probably get 600 dollars for it or maybe even more
@@kyles8524 not going to sell it. It's tucked away in storage for now but I'll try to put a pic up for you
@@kyles8524 There are some very skilled 3Dfx modders. I own a modded V5 5500 running 128MB ram and the new revision 320 chips :)
Im always happy for 3dfx videos :3
No benchmarks against the GF 2 MX ?
Best retro hardware channel
I am proud owner of couple of 3DFX cards. I keep them nice, clean, dry :)
The good old 3dfx cards. Truth be told i still have my voodoo banshee from anubis which i bought new when it was just released, the card was actually shipped with bad vram causing pink screen artifacts unless you underclocked the vram. Didn´t impact the performance much and the card served me well for quite some time, first in my main rig and later in my 2nd rig (mainly for diablo2) after i upgraded to a tnt2 ultra in my main.
Its a bid sad the company sort of died as more competition nowadays would be really good.
I had an V4 exactly like this a few years ago, but the glide compatibility is not great for old dos games, so i sold it. Nowadays i have a Diamond Monster 3D (V1 4mb) and a Voodoo 3 PCI 16mb. The V3 is the best all arounder for early W98 and other dos glide games.
i bought the 3dfx voodoo 3 2000 pci back in 99 for $99 at walmart, it was one heck of an upgrade over the S3 Virge DX that was in my system at the time.
Ah, the S3 Virge... slow and buggy. When games did work on it properly, running at 320x240 actually is somewhat decent. If only it wasn't severely lacking in blending modes...
@@nitrax8629 the S3 was actually pretty decent in DOS with the VESA driver
@@madmax2069 Yep, was more referring to the 3D capabilities though.
@@nitrax8629 yeah I know
What I have: Voodoo 1, Voodoo 2, Banshee, Voodoo 3 3000, Voodoo 4 4500, Voodoo 5 5500. I always look for the next Voodoo in my Collection :) Thanks Phil for the Video!
Nice to see these older cards tested on an overkill system, easy to see what the GPU is really capable of :)
I had a Voodoo 4 4500 Mac Edition (PCI w/DVI interface, otherwise the same), Voodoo 2 1000 (x2), Voodoo 3 3500 TV, and Voodoo 5 5500 - complete in box. Sold them on ebay for ~$35 - $50 CAD each in 2004 - 2005 as I dumped old hardware because no one wanted slow outdated cards at the time. Even worse, my in box soundcards including a Gravis Ultrasound MAX and Aureal SQ2500 sold for almost nothing.
i would trade probably half of my whole collection of hardware to get an AGP 4500 with dvi.
Phil delivers once again! I love that you used the socket 754 platform for the video. It's interesting to me how the voodoo 5 5500 is 3.3v 2x only but the 4 4500 is 1.5v 4x. Also nice trick with the capture card driver! Looking forward to the next video!! Cheers!👍
I do wonder why the V4 ended up being the only card with 1.5V compatibility. I received feedback the V4 was the last card to be released, so maybe it was just because of that. The final Voodoo card coming out of the factory and that's why it had the newer AGP interface.
@@philscomputerlab Yeah, maybe it was because it was the latest to come out.
cool retro card, never had a chance to try one of these out. My voodoo collection is 2, 3 pci, and 5
The UNISOUND video brought me to your channel and I must say I'm giving serious thought to doing some retro computing with what old hardware I still have. So much so, I had to make a video discussing the UNISOUND, your channel, and your MS-DOS starter pack. I don't think I still have EISA hardware around, but definitely some early gen P-4.
I'll still be sticking with my viper V550 (or hybrid TNT2 Vanta/M64) and SLI Voodoo2. The screen I run my 98 machine with is only 1024x768 anyway (though the screen is native 85Hz).
Wait till ampere or ohm architecture, then will be time to upgrade, now it's too early
I had a matrox Mystic and a Voodoo 2 back then.
The 90s: “Lets call our new line of 3D-cards: VOODOO!”
The 20X0s: ”How does the RX 480 sound? Didn’t Nvidia kinda name one of their cards that before, tho? Who cares...”
Both companies re-use their numbers though. I had the ATI Radeon 9800 Pro in the early 2000s and a few years later Nvidia released their own Geforce 9800 cards.
There is zero creativity in the marketing departments of those companies. GeForce has been in use for 21 years, Radeon for 20. Nvidia recycled the SLI trademark from 3dfx, and then "GeForce FX" was contrived to be reminiscent of 3dfx. AMD reused ATI's old "Fury" name. Reusing the numbers is just one aspect of plagiarizing tired old names.
Where is the difference? 3DFX came up with a Brand Name once and used it for all their cards from then on, also not very creative. You should compare the Voodoo Brand Name to the Radeon Brand Name and not the Modell number.
That's a really shitty comparison. Radeon's the name of the line, RX 480 is a model number. That's like calling "4 4500" an uncreative name.
@@MKRENB The next 3dfx generation of cards, which never saw the light of day, were going to be called "Spectre," not Voodoo.
0:57 Hah, you got horizontal shadow lines that goes from top to down , you see it ? I got that same problem with my radeon 9600 pro from Gigabyte, in 2003 , even complained and returned and brought 9600xt , from same Gigabyte , after some testing I realized that it has also, but much less noticeable, but there was, really annoying if you are perfectionist .
I remember buying my first PNY TNT2 3D card, I was thrilled by the graphic performance of the card. I was using the Rage 3D before that so it was a big upgrade in performance. I never got a chance to get a real Voodoo card back then. Plus they were a little pricey.
Thanks for this video, love to see the old stuff.
So thankful I was lucky to find a Voodoo 2 just laying around inside an old basement PC. The 3dfx cards are getting so pricey.
@Dr ROLFCOPTER! How many you got?
I had a voodoo 3 2000 pci loved this vga!
Yea it's a very versatile card!
@@philscomputerlab my friends lined up to play on my pc kkkk I'm from Brazil and it was all very expensive at the time (unfortunately it still is) ...
3dfx + Aureal Vortex = Awesome 2000 combo
Yea, both companies that got killed off my larger enemies...
Holy cow! I used that Sempron processor from 2003 to 2012. IIRC I also used a Kyro II GPU that was very good.
Yay finally Phil ! I thought back when you did more retro videos that you would use the Voodoo 5 5500 in single cheap mode to emulate the 4500 but I'm glad I was wrong ! Nice video as always :D
I'm waiting in several years when you'll do a review of the Voodoo5 6000 :P just kidding it's too expansive but I think we all dream of it :D
Did you ever see videos of the 3DFX Voodoo 5 9000? That is one crazy PC card. It literally has 32 VSA-100 chipsets and needs 4 molex connectors. I have heard of the Voodoo 5 6000, and I read it could easily overtake the Geforce 2 Ultra, but the price would not have been worth it.
@@HelghastMerc Yeah I did, it was uploaded for April's Fool IIRC lol
@@HelghastMerc I'm sad to destroy your dreams my friend, but that V5 9k card is fake, a very nice made "replica". Read description next time ;).
Those are insanely rare and fragile - certain motherboards can cause them to blow the bridge chip on the card, rendering it useless.
Back in the day, used to have the Voodoo 5 5500. It was a really beautiful card and made every other viddy card look crummy in comparison. Got full use of that card, and then sold it for a song after Xp and better hardware became available. But it sure did look sweet in games.
The card needs to be retired to the Smithsonian, unless you still have a bunch of Win 98 games and build a retro rig. I recently built a Win 98 machine using a Nvidia 8X AGP for almost no cost for playing Doom/others. But Win 98 is such a disaster OS, even with the latest unofficial service pack, although it did help out a lot.
Thanks Phil . . .
Speaking of the Voodoo 4500 PCI edition. Saying it's rare and costs more is an understatement. Finally found one for my collection, in the box, and it set me back €550.
7:10 nice never knew you could have jumpers that you do not need pliers for! Handy grab tab thingy!
Don't forget, VSA-100 also has 2048x2048 texture support over the Voodoo3's 256x256!
9:13 i dont like that idea when using a CRT ! It can be dangerous.
Many years (at least 13) ago i used Kanotix Live CD with my 19" CRT, and that crazy Linux Distribution nearly grilled my CRT, because it send wrong stuff (who know's what) to my CRT.
I was using 1024x768 with 60hz, but for some reason my CRT started to smell like if something was burning and i saw a little bit smoke, i immediately shut the monitor down, and never ever used Kanotix again.
I used that Monitor until 2014 without any Problems and some other Linux Distros.
That's Linux for you I guess...
No, that's what happens, if for some reason timings are screwed up.
There's not only the Resolution and hz
You can blow up your CRT with wrong timings.
If you cant go over a resolution then the EDID is not detected right.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extended_Display_Identification_Data
If you use older NVidia Cards (Drivers with the old NVidia Menu, not that blowed up simple garbage thing) you can see that theres way more as just the horizontal & vertical resolution and hz.
lh6.ggpht.com/_xp8rMrfWWZ0/Sg4mdG1H7tI/AAAAAAAAAVg/yJBCjZenWM0/image_thumb[3].png?imgmax=800
www.nvidia.com/content/Control-Panel-Help/vLatest/en-us/mergedProjects/nvdsp/Custom_Timings_Dialog_Box.htm
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Video_Timings
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalized_Timing_Formula
Now if you assign some monitor that use standard/general settings then anything is allright, if you assign something that use the wrong stuff for your CRT, then it can be critical.
You can even create trouble or correct trouble on LCD's
notestoneunturned.blogspot.com/2009/05/how-to-stop-samsung-204b-lcd-monitor.html
Thank you for this great review Phil ! That card was quite unpopular back then, it was good and capable but it came too late... Competition was fierce, Nvidia had a full range of cards, and Geforce2 MX gave it a hard time with agressive prices and better overall performances. Voodoo 4 had shitty drivers back then, and except his FSAA & glide, hadn't much to offer. (Difference is huge with custom newer drivers, for example, serious sam was barely playable with early drivers, but very nice at 30fps with later mid-2000 drivers.) Had a couple of voodoo 4 back in 2001, bought for 30$ each if i remember well, a bargain ! I sold one of these two years ago, after 17 years of good services. (About 200$ on ebay, don't know if it's more expansive now.) Don't know where my second voodoo 4 is, hope to find it one day in my parent's home old stuff. Great memories with these cards nonetheless.
Thanks for the perspective, very interesting!
Serious Sam works great even with a Voodoo 3 with medium details at 1024x768 at 30-60 fps on a fast CPU. Just look at my videos, see the Serious Sam video.
@@3dfxvoodoocards6 I had a Voodoo 3 3000 in 2000, before i got the Voodoo 4. Loved it :) Sure, it may run Serious Sam smoothly with a faster CPU and updated drivers. But I was talking about the 2001 drivers and CPU experience.
I bought one of these on ebay, that someone had upgraded to 64mb. I don't know if a prior owner did the upgrade, or if it's a prototype.
Been hunting for one of these for years... but I can't bring myself to pay the prices for it on ebay. I haven't seen one outside of ebay... so I'm just sitting here hoping i'll come across an affordable Voodoo4 4500 someday. It's the only 3DFX graphics card that's not in my collection at the moment.
IronicTonic Damn, I probably have mine, along with a whole bunch of other “multi media kits”, microsoft ffb joysticks etc. All in my parents house lol. Perhaps one day you may see mine on ebay.
Typically what are the prices for the 4 4500 and 5 5500?
@@emerald3666 Thanks for the information. I haven't looked into this in many years. Quite amazing to learn how sought after they must be!
@@vcolinc The $4500 usually goes for $200+ if someone knows what they have. The 5500 is over the place, but typically between $200-250. If you have the complete card in box set the price will go up even further.
@@IronicTonic8 They were very expensive when new, but usually when superseded, computer parts just became junk. I remember I bought a Banshee when they were new for something like $130 if I remember, which was hard for people to understand when you could nearly buy a PlayStation for the cost of a graphics card alone.
A alternative universe where 3dfx are still alive and well would have been nice
If that deal to supply the Dreamcast with Voodoo graphics hadn't fallen through, we might still have the two titans - SEGA and 3DFX alive.
Got this card in 2001 when 3Dfx was already dead. Play games with this card from 2001 and 2002 was painful. My cousin had GeForce2 MX which was much more faster. But I still have this card, and it is very nice as alternative for Voodoo 2, or Banshee. It has different render in Tomb Raider 1996, more like PowerVR. Later I found out that Banshee and Voodoo 3 have tha same render, when Voodoo 2 have render which looks like Voodoo graphics
Yeah the GF 2 MX was faster than the Voodoo 4500 in most games by 20-40% but in the glide games the Voodoo 4500 was just as fast or even faster.
Hey Phil... you really like those thermal pads? I have heard they aren't that good and almost trap some heat as opposed to the pastes. Just asking.
Why would I use them if they are no good...
@@philscomputerlab Because its easier than cleaning up thermal paste every time you change CPUs?
I used an Nvidia Geforce 2 GTS and a glide wrapper in those times. The Voodoo 1,2,3 were good cards, but by the time Geforce 2 came out, it was over for 3DFX.
have you tested yet the 3 GPUS 3DFx Voodoo 2? this graphic card was the first to introduce SLI
I love these older card videos hahha
FYI the drivers have 'Force 32bit colour' in Glide, and it works 100% for every game. I took screenshots in Unreal with the option on/off and it 100% works. Careful with 'tweaked' drivers, as they break this option. Also - the 3dfx Windows 2000 drivers are excellent!
How much does the V4 4500 overclock ?
I refuse to OC these vintage parts :)
Highly depends on which chip revision you have - usually between 183-200MHz, but only the later ones were stable at the higher end of that range.
Last time I saw a Voodoo card was when my friend was showing me Grim Fandango in the 90s.
7:23 my first ever jump scare on this channel! xD
Oh wow, that was not intended...
@@philscomputerlab hahahahaha
@@philscomputerlab Is there any chance you'll revisit slightly older platforms like the intel 1156?
I got knocked too...
Phil why no V4 4500 vs GF 2 MX and V5 5500 vs GF 2 GTS video ? Those were the rivals from 2000.
Is double or triple the work. These days I focus on just the actual product.
What Nvidia gained technology-wise buying 3dfx?
Was it multi GPU tech?
Maybe some patents, but they really just wanted to kill off anything to do with 3Dfx Voodoo :( No more driver updates, no support, nothing.
Probably the SLI tech, but despite the initials are the same, what they mean and the technical details are vastly different.
Oh, sad story...
I think they gained a bunch of their design teams with the deal, particularly those working on the unreleased Rampage project, and the first products they were involved in designing at nVIDIA were the FX series.
Still got my Voodoo 5 5500 going strong!
The idea behind Avenger (Voodoo 3) & VSA-100 (Voodoo 4&5) was for 3dfx to have option for each price segment in 1999. Voodoo 3 & Voodoo 4 used to have very similiar performance, with Voodoo 4 offering additional graphical effects for extra price. Voodoo 5 5000&5500 used to be absolutely high end for more demanding players and Voodoo 5 6000... I quess it was mostly to make sure that no flagship can't beat 3dfx as performance king I quess. Later, VSA-100 used to be updated with higher frequency, DDR support and 180 nm technology. Unfortunetly, the idea idea backfired horribly once Voodoo 5 5500 was 6 months late. Because of it, 3dfx was effectively generation late.
I had a 4 4500. Liked it! Glide that was schmick!
But it had to make space for a geforce after a year.
i like when he say "beautiful look game"
I like how he says "more detail" at 16:16.
Hey , your view on utilizing old radeon card for Boinc / F@H ?
Card like 4870/5870/6970/7970 have very strong Fp64 capability , and pretty cheap too
It would have made more sense for this review to compare the V4 4500 to its main rival the GF 2 MX, with some benchamrks.
I still have my Voodoo collection, and of coarse the price is my Voodoo4 4500 With the box, discs and papers. The other have a place on a wall in my computer lab. in the collection is my Voodoo Banshee, 2 Voodoo1 4MB (one was damaged), Voodoo2 8MB (I think), Voodoo3 3000, Voodoo4 4500 and the Voodoo5 55000.
My first experience with 3DFX was looking for a 3D card for Black & White, a shop was selling a Voodoo2 AGP for $40 back in 2000 and I nabbed it, turned out the guy had no idea what he had and it was my first Voodoo3 3000. Only other card to get the royal wall placement is my Nvidia Tesla M2050 (with 2 missing caps..)
Phil, whats the make/model of that SATA optical you have that DOES have analogue audio connector PLEASE ;-)
Nice. Those cards are very expensive in my country. With which graphics cards would you replace the voodoo 4 that provide similar performance in glide games? (using nglide)
Not sure, there hasn't been done much in terms of benchmarking nGlide and older parts.
Random question from a fan... what would be a decent OS for an Athlon XP 2100+ (even linux distros...)? Thanks in advance! Love from Italy
Windows 98 or Windows XP!
@@philscomputerlab All right i will try with windows xp first! Thank you
I have collected most of the 3dfx graphics cards that were made. Not from every brand, but mostly one variation of every GPU; from the Voodoo 1, all the way to the Voodoo5. I once saw a Voodoo 5 6000 go on sale on ebay. This was in 2002. It was selling for almost $1,000 bucks... even back then. I was very surprised to see how much Voodoo cards are going for these days. I collected all my cards just because I really missed 3dfx. I had no idea they would be gaining value like this! I am surprised, to say the least. I do need to collect a Voodoo 4 4500 though. That's the one I dont have. I think I need to get the Voodoo3 1000 as well. Any of you guys have the Voodoo Velocity cards??
lovely card ! would love to get my hands on one of these ;)
Good card but I promised eternal fidelity
to 3500.
I have registered issues with 4500 and (old) games of Glide and DOS in my book. V3 has a better compatibility without 32 bits. Did you check it?
Thanks
The games shown in the video is what I have tested. Which older games have issues?
The 1st gen of NV cards?
I run my modern 5700xt Ryzen 5 3600 system like a time machine a lot of the time lol. Doom 2, just finished the first FEAR, Quake 1&2, Morrowind etc. Doom 2 on Vulkan runs great. Gotta love low-level APIs lol. Ive never been a "it has to look like blurry crap like it did when i was a kid" type person.
I still got a bunch of 3dfx cards, I was thinking of making a retro machine out of the voodoo 4 4500 I have. I would use my voodoo 5 5500 but the agp port wont fit on the mother board cause its made for older agp slots and it wont fit unlike the voodoo 4 with its 3 sections split out will fit any agp slot.If anyone is unaware they made quantum 3d aalchemy systems with either 8 all the way up to 64 vsa-100 chips
Oh yeah, I remember that AGP port issue. Back in 2006 I happen to obtain an old Pentium 4 machine, so I planned to turn it into a retro-gaming PC. The first choice of display card was Voodoo5 5500 of course, but it couldn't fit into AGP4X slot, as a result I had to find one Voodoo4 4500 from eBay, since I only have V3 and V5 cards, and none of them fit. Anyway I finally got one, along with other Voodoo cards, I think I should had collected every major Voodoo card.
I also have a question, does Voodoo 4 4500 fully support AGP features? In 3dmark2000 there's one 64MB texture test, Voodoo 5 5500 will fail to perform, because it doesn't fully support AGP, and has only 32MB of RAM per chip. But Voodoo 4 4500 can run this test smoothly. Until now i'm confused with this question.
I did not run 3DMark 2000 as it has DirectX 8 tests I believe?
@@philscomputerlab No, 3dmark 2000 only tests DirectX 7, it's 3dmark 2001 SE that tests up to DirectX 8.
I have one in my stash but a capacitor has been knocked off, are there any schematics out there or BOM that I can follow so that I can order a new one from Digikey?
What test bench setup is that and where can I find one?
Nice one, Still love my Voodoo4 4500 and Voodoo5 5500.
11:58 yeah they are decent in opengl, with my voodoo 3 3000 build, it was 1 frame slower than 3dfx opengl.
That card was badass bacon the late 90s as it was very fast. NVIDIA bought the rights to it and improved the technology.I remember Rendition Verte it's closest competitor. I once own a Matrox Mystique and it too was fast but the features were plain. People mock it calling it Matrox Mistake.
I have a stack of Win 98 3D games. I always wondered what I should to do with them. I didn't know anyone was still interested in the older games.
Say ... what material you're using as thermal pad between cpu and the cooler?