They are a false economy, they are a on dead platform that do not support modern features and in no-way future proofed, they are a bad deal what ever way you look at it recommending these things is just bad advice.
yeah some games even ryzen system run pretty bad including ac odyssey they do love very high clock speed or not well optimize for specific hardware, my ryzen 5 1600 even bottleneck my 1050ti in rise of the tomb raider in geothermal valley, gpu usages dips mid 80% most area and i dnt get stable 60 fps even medium setting 768p but in battlefield 5 i never dips bellow 60 no matter what in 64 players map, same goes to ac odyssey gpu usages dips most of the place but much better then ac origins
This is a bit of a heated argument for the Aussies Hardware Unboxed and Tech YES City at the moment. I agree more with Hardware Unboxed, why buy a Xeon if you can buy a Ryzen? The older platform and more expensive motherboard, not worth it. But more options is better so you won't hear me complain about the option of that second hands Xeon. ;)
@@peterjansen4826 I like both Steve and Bryan, each adds something to the conversation and increases knowledge by having the debate. Honestly most people would be better off with something newer, the limits of instruction sets in these CPUs are approaching quickly...
Omg i just upgraded from dual xeon x5680s w 48gb ram to ryzen 1700x. Even got it to boot off an nvme ssd via a bootloader. Ryzen is faster, but these are great. Wow what a coincidence
As a point of reference, I have my X5670 at 4.2GHz, with the Uncore/NB running at 3.2GHz, and the memory running at 1600MHz with 8-9-9-18 primary's. In CPU-Z my single-threaded score is 345, and my multi-threaded score's 2825. In CBR15 single's 125, and multi's 935. In CBR20 single's 255, and multi's 1915, which means Zen+'s multi-t IPC is ~80% higher, and single-t's ~65% higher.
Ryzens are way way ahead of these 8 year old xeon systems, Ryzen 3xxx series, not only have higher ipc but also huge cache.. Older Xeon are alternative for those who cannot afford Ryzen System, because it is not just cost of cpu but the cost of whole platform. Decent Ryzen Motherboards are also pricey. DDR4 ram price have however sobered down now.. add to that the coat of Cabinet, Power Unit and CPU Cooler, and storage. In pre built all those come included.
I have a X5670 @ 4.4GHz 22x200MHz with 3.6GHz Uncore and 24GB 1600MHz 9-9-9-24 CPU-Z single is 384 and multi is 2946 CBR15 single 135 and multi 1011 CBR20 multi 2117, I haven't tested single core.
I'm extremely happy you put this video out. I currently run a lenovo d30 as a my main computer. dual e5 2690 cpus, 64gb ecc ram, vega 64, and a 1000watt 80+ gold stock powersupply. I get a 2200 in cinebench, and I can game at 1440p 144hz for less than $700. these are a amazing option for cheap gaming.
The big problem about this setup is the dual socket, it is rarely supported unless the software is specifically written for it. Otherwise if someone is looking for a machine that offers true hardware support for windows XP, up-to 10 to run software for the time period 2000 to 2017, it is a deal.
@@turtleneck369 And don't forget that you can use non buffered/ECC memory then. And that means a nearly 10% extra speed. And ECC is only useful for server programs that can use check sums anyway.
@@turtleneck369 I like that too, although I only use 2PCs to cover the 1981 to today(99% compatibility). And I also find that a lot of games of the past where better because the programmers could experiment back then. Today most games are simply just refinements on successful old concepts from the 90s and early 00s. As game production only will increase in cost, because of the high cost of developing better graphics, this effect will only get worse :(
I got a DELL Precision T5600 with dual E5-2667's and 32GB DDR3 1600 MHz (4 ch), and an 825W power supply. It was a company decommissioning program; former developer's work station. Got it for FREE! Thru in an SSD ($40) and a GTX 970 OC'd m($120) and voila...a great productivity machine with solid 1080P gaming performance.
It depends if you can benefit from more cores over the new features. For most people the Ryzen would be better, for the people that can use it, the xeons can be a bargain at the right price.
Of course Ryzen is a better choice, it's superior at every aspect, except price. However if you build a xeon system like this, you need to invest in a good 1440p/144hz or even 4k/144hz if you can, play at 1440p or 4k, to reduce CPU bottleneck.
Makes you wonder how much the new Mac Pro fully kitted out will depreciate in just under a decades time. That said, someone out there will pay $500/£499 for the box it came in!
Most of these workstations will come from designing companies which upgraded their system to the latest 28 core rigs for graphicial work with the Quadro cards. One of my past job was working for Lucasflims Singapore office and all the PCs were HP workstations with dual sockets and 64/128GB ECC RAM and a $6000 nVidia Quadros. But the OS is a custom Red Hat Linux build with all the in house software for the graphics designer/lighting effects etc. So the workstations costing over 5 to 6 digits is considered an investment when the work involved is time critical.
Thanks for the review and what you can get on a budget, but I'm still buying the Ryzen 3900x on a X570 board with the Gigabyte 1TB PCI Gen4 4X SSD, and not because I work on it, but because I can. I've been on the budget side for many years, but now that I don't have to be, I'm buying what I can afford.
up until last week I was using a z600 with 2 xeon 5675s, 40gb of ecc registered ddr3 and a gtx 1060 3gb, it was a well balanced system and I loved it. If anyone in the UK wants to buy it, let me know :)
Yeah, there are great deals on ebay for older workstations. A year ago I bought a 200$ HP Z230 with I7-4770 / 16GB ECC / 2TB WD Black. I put in a sata ssd and a 1060 6GB totaling at 400$. The 1060 6GB is perfect for that workstations because of its wattage, I didn't need an adapter for my PSU. It's basically a $800-$1000 experience for $400 allowing a BIG budget for peripherals. I recommend pairing a setup like this with a 144hz 1080p monitor.
@Yuck Foutube Yeah, the Dell S2419HGF monitor is under 200$ and would be great for a setup like that. You can game no problems on native 1440p with a 1060 6GB but your fps wont get anywhere near 144 on most newer games. I run a 27" 1440p 144hz 300$ monitor and find it to be a perfect for my needs. Spend money on a good monitor for sure.
I love seeing the gaming aspect. But, since this was clearly a machine meant for workloads, seeing what it could do with programs like Adobe, 7-zip, Corona, and other intensive tasks would be great. Now put this beside a Gen 1 Zen and Zen + System (r7 1700x, 2700) and compare the ability again. It will tell a whole different story of value. Sure this PC can game and if you have $250 it will do the job... but for how long? Upgrade path? Great video as always Tech! Looking forward to Part 2 and 3 ;) in a few months. Excited to see this great content.
I stated in the video what to expect. It has multi-threaded performance about equal to 1st Gen Ryzen 7. So in terms of 3D rendering, video rendering, etc. it'll run about that speed, give or take. Editing performance will be worse, due to slower per core performance. I would not want to use this for content creation in 2019
I have one of these, if anyone is still looking a few facts, if you get the version 2 mobo you can use 10600r memory, 96gb max, the z600 only allows 95w CPU’s so you can have 5672 4 core at 3.2ghz base or 5675 6 core at 3.06 ghz base (3.46 turbo). There’s no overclocking the memory as far as know, bios is locked tighter than a badgers sphincter. I got one cheap (2x 5675) had an rx580 a freind gave me, runs pretty well in gaming for an ancient machine, think shadow of tomb raider 1080 high at 75fps, gta 5 with redux mod at 60fps. If you can get one cheap and your a casual gamer it’s worth considering especially if you just want it for streaming or video editing. Nice review, and accurate, ppl commenting on the guys teeth, you must be 100% perfect eh? Rude.
Wow I have the same machine and I bought it 3 years ago. it has also a GTX 1070 G1 gaming. I assure you it's a beast. Runs everything at maximum on 1080p resolution. I have also the X5650 xeons 6 core each and 48Giga ECC Ram. With 550€ and 450€ for the graphics card without realizing it made a freaking beast with only 1000€.
@@bigfruit6854 no need to upgrade in my opinion if u are running them over 4Ghz and if u are primarly gaming on your setup,could they be OC on server motherboards though ?
You should try using a couple of x5687's in there, there fairly cheap quad cores but they have a boost clock of 3.86ghz so help a lot with the single thread limitations 👍
@@pacoreguenga In my opinion, the graphics card limitation is far worse. You have a 625 watt power supply and only a paltry 6 pin connector for the graphics card. The Z600 would be ideal for the Radeon RX6650XT and two Xeon 5675 processors. Unfortunately, even with an adapter, this is too much for the computer and RDR2 crashes after a while or restarts the whole computer. With Cyberpunk 2077, the computer restarts immediately after the game starts.
My first gaming PC was a Dell T3500 that I got for £70 on eBay. Combined with an RX480 reference card and I had a great time on that machine. With the exception of Star Citizen I'm sure it could still offer a playable experience with the games I play today 👍
im using basically that but only a single cpu version (macpro 2010) with a RX 580. works fine for most things. only down side is no iGPU if you want to edit video in PP but if you use DaVinci Resolve with an RX 580 it's a relay good buget video editing box. the bigest problem is the AMD 2600 and a mid range B450 is so cheep now.
Using a Z600 with mismatched X5675s (12C/24T). I do not see any problems from the CPUs being mismatched. Also using 24GB of standard RAM. Multi-core score on Cinebench is between 7790-7810.
5:13 I usually connect one of my monitors over a DP to HDMI adapter cable(from a Quadro 4000) which means that the gfx card has HD audio already built in so I can connect my subwoofer directly to the monitor's 3.5mm jack. For me it sounds fine.
Lol, 30% cpu usage and 20 fps. But loved the video! Btw: I think Mr. Deals is the right kind of a knowledgeable guy to explain us all how many cores a gamer who also has some other background processes running - actually needs? I think I agree with the fact that 8 cores is the new sweetspot for most users. But I suspect many will also aim for the 12 core (or 16 even) Ryzen even when they clearly do not need one. Many Tech Tubers keep mentioning the "Productivity" as some magical excuse to get more cores. Basically that means video editing or streaming, like 8 cores would not be enough for that. Will you make a video, Mr. Deals?-)
Thank you For this great review, I want to ask your question, do all processors work together? Is this device better than a device with a i5 6th processor? I want to buy a device HP Z600 Intel Core Xeon X5650 2.6GHZ Is this a better option than i5 6th?
My Dell PowerEdge R610 uses 2 Intel Xeon X5690 3.46GHz (Turbo - 3.73GHz) 6 Core 12 Threads Processors and has 96GB of ram :) should really look into getting a graphics card for it
The Z400's with the W3690 are the ones to watch out for if you're primarily into gaming. 6 cores unlocked(oc using Intel's XTU) and a good bargain if you get the whole system for 100-150USD.
2 CPU system are slower than single CPU system in case of applications where both cpus work on same data set, hence latency?? 2 CPUs would be advantage only in case of applications which use more cores like Video rendering, editing, 3D modelling, Virtualization Cinebench etc. But in normal daily use applications, gaming etc latency may be disadvantageous,
1st Gen Ryzen 5 is now the price/performance metric by which to decide go or no-go on these super fun xeon builds. That being said, I JUST built a 4.3Ghz X5660 / GTX 980 machine for a talented but poor Overwatch player who wanted to start streaming. At $370 total cost and the higher clocks afforded by a decent ASUS X58 motherboard. The machine is now good enough for unhindered skills and gaming career development. But in regards to this video, at $500, you can build a solid 1st Gen Ryzen 5. Please, Tech, take the Yes Man cool-aid and drop that X5675 into an ASUS or EVGA board (please don't drop it into an MSI or Gigabyte one for. . . . . reasons). Ok. . .maybe it's best to wait until winter when you might need house heating.
Thank you For this great review, I want to ask your question, do all processors work together? Is this device better than a device with a i5 6th processor? I want to buy a device HP Z600 Intel Core Xeon X5650 2.6GHZ Is this a better option than i5 6th I am confused between these two options Z200 Core i5 th or Z600 Intel Core Xeon X5650 2.6GHZ
i had the Z800 for 3 years, and yes for desktop and video with an upgraded video card, blew the rest away... until the psu died..... good value for the budget ...
I enjoyed Bryan's Xeon contents, they're really interesting imo, it stands out in the middle of flood of people recommending Ryzen all the time, opening a new perspective and new knowledge. Steve is also one of my favourite, but I don't like how he called out Bryan, he should've just mind his own business, let Bryan do his own things. They were a good friend until Steve called out Bryan out of nowhere.
@@NaoVII Peer review should be encouraged. Steve didn't personally attack anyone and approached it in a very matter-of-fact way. If a work product can't stand up to scrutiny, it's not good work.
@@NaoVII when did that happen? I do remember something but i thought those two trolled each other as friends. Makes sense Steve didnt mention seeing Bryan at Computex whilst naming everybody else.
Rocking basically the same system. Well, it's a Dell T7500 workstation. But a dual X5675 setup with 24GB of RAM, and an RX 480. It's a productivity MONSTER. And does GREAT in most games with minimal bottlenecking! Can go WELL over 60fps, especially if you bump up resolution to 1440p, OR play on ultra at 1080p. The place it really drops off are in games like CS:GO that basically just use one or two threads. In that case... MAYBE consider something like the X5687's. They only have 4/8 instead of 6/12, BUT have a way higher base and boost clock, and if gaming on poorly optimized titles is your biggest concern, the better single-core performance will help. A lot.
I just got in a T7500... Dual X5675 CPUs and 144GB of RAM for $500. That strikes me as a deal if you need lots of RAM :) I will be doing a video on it!
I was able to acquire for $ZERO a decommissioned Dell Precision T5600 (2xE5-2667, 32GB REEC 1600 DDR3, 825W DELL PS) from my company. I threw in one SSD, an HDD, and a GTX 970 ($120). I also upgraded later-on to Dual E5-2689 (8C /16T ea.; pair cost $150) that all-core turbo to 3.3Ghz. I have invested about $350 total in this rig to date. Frankly, a beast of a rig. Manages 1080P med to hi at 60+FPS.
You can also get systems spec'd like this for much less if you go for "servers" instead of "workstations" just be prepared for fans the sound like jet engines and possibly some modding.
Those are the intake fans on the front that pass air across memory and the CPUs. YOu can easily transfer the motherboard to a larger case that supports E-ATX size motherboards and get rid of those jet engine intake fans.
Hey tech I've seen other guys do the "buy an old CPU and game" video,but you break it down like no one else,dude I'm signing up for floatplane right now
I've put a 2.5 SATA SSD into a model like this, it was a few years newer, but it had the same case though, you will need an adapter for your 2.5 inch SATA SSD that will give it all the same side screw holes as a 3.5 inch mechanical HDD, and will put the sata connectors on the SSD into the same position as a 3.5 mech hdd. It just felt so right to use the two hdd spots instead of hanging it loose. One trick I used is taking faulty WD velociraptor 10,000rpm drives out of their enclosures. The hard drive in those is actually 2.5" tall drive, you just pop it out and replace it with the SSD, INSTANT ADAPTER. On the topic of CPU bottle-necking, that is a horrible bottleneck, that's a "replace your whole computer" bottleneck. On the topic of refurb computers, if it does not have SATA3, USB3, "fuggitt about itttt"
Today, you can find the same system with dual X5680s for the same price, plus an RX 580s are cheaper than the 1060, without the VRAM limitations. Great video.
Thanks for the video. I have a Z600 with two Xeon x5675 and GTX 1060, My question is can i change the GTX 1060 for a RX Vega 56 with the same Power Supply (standard 650w)?
@Tech Deals - Thanks for the video. Would you mind reviewing the Dell Inspiron 7000 series AIO desktops? The AMD ones are intriguing. Specifically, I want to get rid of my older desktops because I can't stand the heat they radiate. I'd like to know how well they perform, and how much heat they radiate. Personally, it would be worth the change based on the heat output alone (if it is noticeably better). Thanks.
I have a system like that when I bought it it came with 2 x Xeon X5650 3 years later I upgrade the 2 x CPU to the top this system can take the X5675 and upgrade the 24G of RAM to 48G I also have a 1060 and run most modern games on high to ultra 60 to 80 FPS never tried Division. The HP Z800 can run on 2 x Xeon X5690 which are again much better and still sold even today for $150AUD. The Xeon X5675 sell for $45AUD. I recommend if you buy this system HPZ600 make sure it’s the V2 model and try getting it with the Xeon X5675.
Bought one for a file server and put Unraid on it. Except mine is the 8 core 16 thread version. For this it is fast and plenty of machine. Running some VM's for game servers and other things. They are loads of fun. Mine was $100 bucks and I added 8 gigs of ram and faster CPU's X5570 instead of X5550's.
Have been running same setup for a few years now, just with 2 x X5675 instead, it's not as bottlenecked 3@3.4GHz. My kids are running Z400's with X5687's cpu's they are only 4core but for gaming I would recommend the extra speed 3.60@3.86GHz, but due to the limited power supply in the z400 I used a gtx 750 TI in their machines, and they still pull almost all modern games, for a price of around $200 for the entire setup, including plenty of RAM and SSD's
I don't understand the title of the video, what does it have to do with a Ryzen 3900x , how do you compare your machine to the Ryzen ? | Title > ( 12 Core Gaming PC for $500 - Benchmarks - Comparison to Ryzen 9 3900X ). That being said it's a nice video, it just doesen't make any sense with that title.
No deal.. but cool video none the less. The antique computer, that once cost $13K and can still play 'some' games adequately 9 years later.. pretty impressive when you think about it that way.
Great video... as usual. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Where could I find a decent(long term) product review for a mouse...? Looking to replace one that gets heavy gaming use. Would like to replace it with an equally durable unit. Thanks...
I own and use multiple Logitech G700s mice, love them... they don't make them anymore. I don't love the G703 replacement... We are using a number of Corsair mice in the office, we also use a pair of Cooler Master mice as well.
I have a Z400 sitting around. If the Z600 is anything like the Z400, it has a proprietary PSU. The Dell Precisions from the same era upgrade easier. I was able to pick up a Precision T3500 (single socket) with 12GB of RAM and a quad core for $35 and slaped in a W3670 (6c/12t) for another $30. That was a deal, even if it isn't up to par with today's processors.
I hope a mother doesn't see this video, and think it is a fine option for a gaming computer for her kid. This video should come with a disclaimer, saying that there are much much better options for the same amount of money.
x5650 has been a stellar deal the last few years if one could get lga 1366 board for cheap. In 2019 I would not recommend it to anyone. x5650 is power hungry, if you overclock it (which you should to really make it good) then it consumes ALOT. Last year it was better to get onto i7-2600k instead, this year, first gen of ryzen is just too good of a deal. New or used, does not matter, they are dirt cheap and hellishly good for their cost with an upgrade path, pcie 3.0, ddr4 etc. LGA1366 still has a warm spot in my heart though, incredible architecture.
G'day Tech, I was just having a look on eBay.com.au & there are some of these with 1 CPU from $350AUD, but for one with 2 CPUs start at $600AUD, I think I prefer my i7-2700K & EVGA Z68M with 8GB 1600MHz for $170AUD
I have the same machine, I bought an MSI GTX 1070 GPU, it requires two power connectors, 6 pin and 8 pin, I had to get an adapter for the 8 pin from SATA, the pc boot up normally, but a game like Fortnite will cause the PSU to shutdown instantly once the game starts (main menu works fine until you start playing). Is the PSU (650w allegedly) not enough for the GPU? or mine is faulty?
I like how the smaller rtx cards look bc even though it's a small card it has a huge thick heatsync and it makes smaller PCs with limited room more relevant
Not every machine needs to be future proof. Granted I prefer modern machines to dead platforms, but for the today and tomorrow many older plats will still do what most actually need it to do... be a PC
@@TechDeals lol. I knew you would say that, but I was wondering if it was necessary. I've watched comparisons between the two, and it's less than10% fps difference.
I'd be very interested to see what sort of performance you'd get with more powerful yet still non-current processors, e.g. two 4-core 3GHz+ Xeon v2's. Any chance of seeing something like that in the future?
I really like the comparison here with the 1060 3GB vs RTX 2060 6GB. I would like to see a higher VRAM on 1060 at least more than 3GB for a more fair apples to oranges comparison. I bought a GTX 1060 6GB on Tech Deals recommendations a couple years ago and have been happy with the way it has hold it value. I only game on a 1080 monitor, but I still can set games to high/ultimate and the frame rate is solid.
got hpz 800, x5650 xeons, looking for graphic upgrade will this gtx 1060 6 gb fit in perfectly without any issues??, I majorly work on blender, 3ds max, Video editing and Unreal engine 4
I bought one of these 2 weeks ago for $40 Only had one x5672, but the second just got delivered from ebay for $11 Came with 6gb of ram. Will need to increase that for sure... The triple channel memory actually makes even 1333 ddr3 quite sufficient for today's tasks
I just picked one up for $230 2x x5670's. I'm going to try to get a NVME to boot, I was able to use my Plextor M8pey to boot on my old x58 setup with a x5675, hopefully this will work too.
@Tech Deals I have a request for your Zen2 review. It would be ideal for one of your shorter 10-15 minutes A vs. B comparison on one parameter videos. A. 2*8 GB of fast and expensive RAM. 3600 MT/s and CL=14, 3700 MT/s and CL=15. B. 4*8 GB of value-oriented memory, simple 3200 MT/s and CL=16 In the second case you can have a read and a write operation in the same cycle but the clock frequency is lower and the latencies are worse. The price doesn't differ much between these two configurations. Which one will win? (yes, 3000 MT/s and CL=16 is even more value oriented but with the current prices that would be leaping over dollars to pick up pennies as you like to say it) Cheers.
32GB of RAM doesn't show up in most benchmarks, real world workloads show the benefits to that. I have 64GB in my main 2 workstations and will have 144GB in my Dell T7500 NAS, so yea that's kinda nuts, but it was cheap! :) $500 all in for dual X5675 CPUs and 144GB of RAM.
@@TechDeals It is not the amount of RAM which would be a benefit yet, though I am a bit worried that 16 GB might not last 6 years in Windows and you know how it works, best buy all the DIMM's in one set instead of upgrading later if you want to avoid getting a headache. The fact that it can do a read- and write-operation per channel in the same cycle might be an advantage. If you would have asked me 24 hours ago I would have thought that it doesn't matter much but I read this article on the well known German webmagazine Computerbase. In this case it is written by a forum-member. www.computerbase.de/forum/threads/dual-ranked-vs-single-ranked-ram-bei-ryzen.1816973/ It is in German but for the graphs there is an English explanation. Single rank vs. dual rank. As you know for Ryzen the RAM is rather important to reduce latency, mostly because the clock frequency of the Infinity Fabric is coupled to the clock frequency of the RAM. Spending a bit more on RAM makes sense, especially with the current RAM prices and now that the 3700X will probably be a strong competitor of the 9900k and the 3600 will be a strong competitor of the 9700k. I would like 32 GB of RAM but I am a bit worried about picking higher latency/lower clock frequency RAM for the Ryzen platform. AMD announced that the RAM will easily OC on the X570 motherboards, I am curious how well the RAM OC's on the X470 motherboards. How good or bad is the quality of the traces on the X470 motherboards? If you don't need PCIe 4 in the next 4-6 years (however long you use that platform) then a discounted X470 Taichi might be as interesting as a budget X570 motherboard.
Curious... small time content creation... 1080 gaming, creating RUclips videos, maybe streaming games on RUclips at most... paired with a 1650 super or a 1660 ti maybe
Thoughts on something like this as a potential streaming machine on a dual setup? Like another computer would be handling the games while this would be running OBS, etc.
This is really the wrong choice for that... It has power in all the wrong places... Frankly a used Dell Optiplex i5-2400 would be a better choice for that job...
Unfortunately i was tried to game on Rtx2060 with hp z600, and my workstation is Shouting down in one specific moment when i was gaming. I dont know what to do :( Me spec: Hp z600 24GB Ram 2x xeon x5675 Ssd Sata 3 And hdd 1T
I tried a 2060 with a z600, dual x5675 and 48gb and it shut down every time. Using a 1060 worked well. I imagine dual x5650 is just enough for the power supply to support a 2060.
XEON! They are heaps of fun and most games are quite well optimised and run well with low clock speed. Just don't play AC Odyssey.
@The great Honkler pirated version not drm free?
They are a false economy, they are a on dead platform that do not support modern features and in no-way future proofed, they are a bad deal what ever way you look at it recommending these things is just bad advice.
yeah some games even ryzen system run pretty bad including ac odyssey they do love very high clock speed or not well optimize for specific hardware, my ryzen 5 1600 even bottleneck my 1050ti in rise of the tomb raider in geothermal valley, gpu usages dips mid 80% most area and i dnt get stable 60 fps even medium setting 768p but in battlefield 5 i never dips bellow 60 no matter what in 64 players map, same goes to ac odyssey gpu usages dips most of the place but much better then ac origins
This is a bit of a heated argument for the Aussies Hardware Unboxed and Tech YES City at the moment. I agree more with Hardware Unboxed, why buy a Xeon if you can buy a Ryzen? The older platform and more expensive motherboard, not worth it. But more options is better so you won't hear me complain about the option of that second hands Xeon. ;)
@@peterjansen4826 I like both Steve and Bryan, each adds something to the conversation and increases knowledge by having the debate.
Honestly most people would be better off with something newer, the limits of instruction sets in these CPUs are approaching quickly...
These made more sense a year ago when DDR4 was so much more expensive. Still a very cool machine.
My old gaming PC was a HP-Z600 with dual X5675s, 24 Gb RAM, and a 1070 FE! Definitely got the job done.
Omg i just upgraded from dual xeon x5680s w 48gb ram to ryzen 1700x. Even got it to boot off an nvme ssd via a bootloader. Ryzen is faster, but these are great. Wow what a coincidence
Same had a x5670 OC'd to 3.6ghz for years and moved to a 1700 in 2017
What's the temps...sounds like a thermal breakdown is on order‼️‼️‼️✔️
Can you put dual ryzen 1700x processors in z600?
Nour Sabouny different socket... you would need a different motherboard, but if you found one with two sockets, then maybe
As a point of reference, I have my X5670 at 4.2GHz, with the Uncore/NB running at 3.2GHz, and the memory running at 1600MHz with 8-9-9-18 primary's.
In CPU-Z my single-threaded score is 345, and my multi-threaded score's 2825.
In CBR15 single's 125, and multi's 935.
In CBR20 single's 255, and multi's 1915, which means Zen+'s multi-t IPC is ~80% higher, and single-t's ~65% higher.
Ryzens are way way ahead of these 8 year old xeon systems, Ryzen 3xxx series, not only have higher ipc but also huge cache.. Older Xeon are alternative for those who cannot afford Ryzen System, because it is not just cost of cpu but the cost of whole platform. Decent Ryzen Motherboards are also pricey. DDR4 ram price have however sobered down now.. add to that the coat of Cabinet, Power Unit and CPU Cooler, and storage. In pre built all those come included.
I have a X5670 @ 4.4GHz 22x200MHz with 3.6GHz Uncore and 24GB 1600MHz 9-9-9-24
CPU-Z single is 384 and multi is 2946
CBR15 single 135 and multi 1011
CBR20 multi 2117, I haven't tested single core.
@@Pasi123 How did you OC this cpu
I'm extremely happy you put this video out. I currently run a lenovo d30 as a my main computer. dual e5 2690 cpus, 64gb ecc ram, vega 64, and a 1000watt 80+ gold stock powersupply.
I get a 2200 in cinebench, and I can game at 1440p 144hz for less than $700. these are a amazing option for cheap gaming.
The big problem about this setup is the dual socket, it is rarely supported unless the software is specifically written for it. Otherwise if someone is looking for a machine that offers true hardware support for windows XP, up-to 10 to run software for the time period 2000 to 2017, it is a deal.
Better go for single socket non server board which supports overclocking and oc it to like 4ghz and it will get about 20% more fps in games
@@turtleneck369 And don't forget that you can use non buffered/ECC memory then. And that means a nearly 10% extra speed. And ECC is only useful for server programs that can use check sums anyway.
@@OldShakerHand I love playing with old HW, if u not lazy to learn and do research u can only save tons of money if u are on budget
@@turtleneck369 I like that too, although I only use 2PCs to cover the 1981 to today(99% compatibility). And I also find that a lot of games of the past where better because the programmers could experiment back then. Today most games are simply just refinements on successful old concepts from the 90s and early 00s. As game production only will increase in cost, because of the high cost of developing better graphics, this effect will only get worse :(
I got a DELL Precision T5600 with dual E5-2667's and 32GB DDR3 1600 MHz (4 ch), and an 825W power supply. It was a company decommissioning program; former developer's work station. Got it for FREE! Thru in an SSD ($40) and a GTX 970 OC'd m($120) and voila...a great productivity machine with solid 1080P gaming performance.
i disagree, not a deal. 1st gen ryzen would last you much longer longevity wise with equal/better performance.
Lalo Ajuria but this is the whole computer - a graphics card
Which chip are you referring to...?
He just wanted 60 fps high detail and 1080p. Which in this case it is a deal
It depends if you can benefit from more cores over the new features. For most people the Ryzen would be better, for the people that can use it, the xeons can be a bargain at the right price.
Of course Ryzen is a better choice, it's superior at every aspect, except price. However if you build a xeon system like this, you need to invest in a good 1440p/144hz or even 4k/144hz if you can, play at 1440p or 4k, to reduce CPU bottleneck.
Makes you wonder how much the new Mac Pro fully kitted out will depreciate in just under a decades time. That said, someone out there will pay $500/£499 for the box it came in!
thefrecklepuny heck, I just want to get the case to build in... it’s beautiful, lol
Most of these workstations will come from designing companies which upgraded their system to the latest 28 core rigs for graphicial work with the Quadro cards.
One of my past job was working for Lucasflims Singapore office and all the PCs were HP workstations with dual sockets and 64/128GB ECC RAM and a $6000 nVidia Quadros.
But the OS is a custom Red Hat Linux build with all the in house software for the graphics designer/lighting effects etc.
So the workstations costing over 5 to 6 digits is considered an investment when the work involved is time critical.
Is Lucusflims the chinese knockoff of Lucasfilms? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@@Scitch87 excuse my spelling.
Thanks for the review and what you can get on a budget, but I'm still buying the Ryzen 3900x on a X570 board with the Gigabyte 1TB PCI Gen4 4X SSD, and not because I work on it, but because I can. I've been on the budget side for many years, but now that I don't have to be, I'm buying what I can afford.
up until last week I was using a z600 with 2 xeon 5675s, 40gb of ecc registered ddr3 and a gtx 1060 3gb, it was a well balanced system and I loved it.
If anyone in the UK wants to buy it, let me know :)
Yeah, there are great deals on ebay for older workstations. A year ago I bought a 200$ HP Z230 with I7-4770 / 16GB ECC / 2TB WD Black. I put in a sata ssd and a 1060 6GB totaling at 400$. The 1060 6GB is perfect for that workstations because of its wattage, I didn't need an adapter for my PSU. It's basically a $800-$1000 experience for $400 allowing a BIG budget for peripherals. I recommend pairing a setup like this with a 144hz 1080p monitor.
@Yuck Foutube Yeah, the Dell S2419HGF monitor is under 200$ and would be great for a setup like that. You can game no problems on native 1440p with a 1060 6GB but your fps wont get anywhere near 144 on most newer games. I run a 27" 1440p 144hz 300$ monitor and find it to be a perfect for my needs. Spend money on a good monitor for sure.
I am still running my Z600 with a pair of X5672 and a GTX 1650 SC Ultra. I love it. It really does rock. For RTS and turn based games, they are great.
Try looking into Huanan X79 and Xeon E5 26XX V2s 8~12C/16~24T. Huanan also makes dual socket x79 in 4/8/16 dimm variants.
Dose it help
My $10 craigslist Z600 has brought me here...that and my love for older tech that still serves a purpose.
I love seeing the gaming aspect. But, since this was clearly a machine meant for workloads, seeing what it could do with programs like Adobe, 7-zip, Corona, and other intensive tasks would be great. Now put this beside a Gen 1 Zen and Zen + System (r7 1700x, 2700) and compare the ability again. It will tell a whole different story of value. Sure this PC can game and if you have $250 it will do the job... but for how long? Upgrade path? Great video as always Tech! Looking forward to Part 2 and 3 ;) in a few months. Excited to see this great content.
I stated in the video what to expect. It has multi-threaded performance about equal to 1st Gen Ryzen 7. So in terms of 3D rendering, video rendering, etc. it'll run about that speed, give or take.
Editing performance will be worse, due to slower per core performance. I would not want to use this for content creation in 2019
I have a Z800, 48 gigs of ram, dual x5675's recently added a 1070 GTX
I have one of these, if anyone is still looking a few facts, if you get the version 2 mobo you can use 10600r memory, 96gb max, the z600 only allows 95w CPU’s so you can have 5672 4 core at 3.2ghz base or 5675 6 core at 3.06 ghz base (3.46 turbo).
There’s no overclocking the memory as far as know, bios is locked tighter than a badgers sphincter.
I got one cheap (2x 5675) had an rx580 a freind gave me, runs pretty well in gaming for an ancient machine, think shadow of tomb raider 1080 high at 75fps, gta 5 with redux mod at 60fps.
If you can get one cheap and your a casual gamer it’s worth considering especially if you just want it for streaming or video editing.
Nice review, and accurate, ppl commenting on the guys teeth, you must be 100% perfect eh? Rude.
Wow I have the same machine and I bought it 3 years ago. it has also a GTX 1070 G1 gaming. I assure you it's a beast. Runs everything at maximum on 1080p resolution. I have also the X5650 xeons 6 core each and 48Giga ECC Ram. With 550€ and 450€ for the graphics card without realizing it made a freaking beast with only 1000€.
🙂 yes 1070s 8gb are common for these workstations, and some games will properly fully utilize the card, they go for $220 used now here 😍
glad to see you going back to your yt roots and y i started watching.
Nice I ran a x5670 OC'd to 3.6ghz for years, was an amazing value for $50
I think still is great value u can get them for like 15bucks which is crazy
This is a great video! It is interesting to see an old CPU paired with other modern hardware and software/games.
I built a dual Xeon 5675 total 12 cores, 96gb ecc ram for less than $350.
It's fucking crazy these 1366 Xeons are legend and super cheap + when u oc u get a lot more performance and fps in games
@tollph3 , I probably don’t need to upgrade until ryzen gen 6 with these Xeon 5675s if I don’t want to.
These 5675s, 5680s can OC easily to 4.5ghz.
@@bigfruit6854 no need to upgrade in my opinion if u are running them over 4Ghz and if u are primarly gaming on your setup,could they be OC on server motherboards though ?
What do you use it for?
You should try using a couple of x5687's in there, there fairly cheap quad cores but they have a boost clock of 3.86ghz so help a lot with the single thread limitations 👍
The Z600 don't run with 130W CPUs. As far as i know, the x5675 is the fastest CPU for this machine. For the x5687 or x5690 you'll need a Z800.
The fastest quad core cpu's supported on the Z600 V2 are the x5672 and the fastest six cores are the x5675. BIOS limitation, really.
@@pacoreguenga In my opinion, the graphics card limitation is far worse. You have a 625 watt power supply and only a paltry 6 pin connector for the graphics card. The Z600 would be ideal for the Radeon RX6650XT and two Xeon 5675 processors. Unfortunately, even with an adapter, this is too much for the computer and RDR2 crashes after a while or restarts the whole computer. With Cyberpunk 2077, the computer restarts immediately after the game starts.
Sorry my English is bad
I have Z800 workstation, Support GTX 1650 Super?
I still use my Z600 with two X5675 CPUs and 48 GB Ram for virtualization. Still runs quite well.
My first gaming PC was a Dell T3500 that I got for £70 on eBay. Combined with an RX480 reference card and I had a great time on that machine. With the exception of Star Citizen I'm sure it could still offer a playable experience with the games I play today 👍
im using basically that but only a single cpu version (macpro 2010) with a RX 580.
works fine for most things.
only down side is no iGPU if you want to edit video in PP but if you use DaVinci Resolve with an RX 580 it's a relay good buget video editing box.
the bigest problem is the AMD 2600 and a mid range B450 is so cheep now.
Using a Z600 with mismatched X5675s (12C/24T). I do not see any problems from the CPUs being mismatched. Also using 24GB of standard RAM. Multi-core score on Cinebench is between 7790-7810.
Nice video me tect I’m sorry that iv not been tuning in on the vids because I have exams and continue to become better
5:13 I usually connect one of my monitors over a DP to HDMI adapter cable(from a Quadro 4000) which means that the gfx card has HD audio already built in so I can connect my subwoofer directly to the monitor's 3.5mm jack. For me it sounds fine.
Lol, 30% cpu usage and 20 fps. But loved the video! Btw: I think Mr. Deals is the right kind of a knowledgeable guy to explain us all how many cores a gamer who also has some other background processes running - actually needs? I think I agree with the fact that 8 cores is the new sweetspot for most users. But I suspect many will also aim for the 12 core (or 16 even) Ryzen even when they clearly do not need one. Many Tech Tubers keep mentioning the "Productivity" as some magical excuse to get more cores. Basically that means video editing or streaming, like 8 cores would not be enough for that. Will you make a video, Mr. Deals?-)
Thank you For this great review, I want to ask your question, do all processors work together?
Is this device better than a device with a i5 6th processor?
I want to buy a device HP Z600 Intel Core Xeon X5650 2.6GHZ Is this a better option than i5 6th?
My Dell PowerEdge R610 uses 2 Intel Xeon X5690 3.46GHz (Turbo - 3.73GHz) 6 Core 12 Threads Processors and has 96GB of ram :) should really look into getting a graphics card for it
The Z400's with the W3690 are the ones to watch out for if you're primarily into gaming. 6 cores unlocked(oc using Intel's XTU) and a good bargain if you get the whole system for 100-150USD.
2 CPU system are slower than single CPU system in case of applications where both cpus work on same data set, hence latency??
2 CPUs would be advantage only in case of applications which use more cores like Video rendering, editing, 3D modelling, Virtualization Cinebench etc.
But in normal daily use applications, gaming etc latency may be disadvantageous,
Fun fact some 8 pin cards will work with only a 6 pin plugged in. My msi gtx 960 4gb gaming x I had only needed 1 6 pin plugged into it's 8 pin plug.
1st Gen Ryzen 5 is now the price/performance metric by which to decide go or no-go on these super fun xeon builds. That being said, I JUST built a 4.3Ghz X5660 / GTX 980 machine for a talented but poor Overwatch player who wanted to start streaming. At $370 total cost and the higher clocks afforded by a decent ASUS X58 motherboard. The machine is now good enough for unhindered skills and gaming career development. But in regards to this video, at $500, you can build a solid 1st Gen Ryzen 5. Please, Tech, take the Yes Man cool-aid and drop that X5675 into an ASUS or EVGA board (please don't drop it into an MSI or Gigabyte one for. . . . . reasons). Ok. . .maybe it's best to wait until winter when you might need house heating.
brand new Z800 owner. way stoked!
Thank you For this great review, I want to ask your question, do all processors work together?
Is this device better than a device with a i5 6th processor?
I want to buy a device HP Z600 Intel Core Xeon X5650 2.6GHZ Is this a better option than i5 6th
I am confused between these two
options
Z200 Core i5 th or Z600 Intel Core Xeon X5650 2.6GHZ
Yeah, Noone should buy this. Alot more trouble than it's worth. Cool concept though.
i had the Z800 for 3 years, and yes for desktop and video with an upgraded video card, blew the rest away... until the psu died..... good value for the budget ...
More trouble? So adding a 6 pin connector is too much for you? Moron.
I can literally hear Steve from Hardware Unboxed making a video right now crapping on this video.
I like both Steve and Bryan, we need multiple points of view and testing to provide all of you with more information...
I enjoyed Bryan's Xeon contents, they're really interesting imo, it stands out in the middle of flood of people recommending Ryzen all the time, opening a new perspective and new knowledge. Steve is also one of my favourite, but I don't like how he called out Bryan, he should've just mind his own business, let Bryan do his own things. They were a good friend until Steve called out Bryan out of nowhere.
@@NaoVII Peer review should be encouraged. Steve didn't personally attack anyone and approached it in a very matter-of-fact way. If a work product can't stand up to scrutiny, it's not good work.
@@NaoVII when did that happen? I do remember something but i thought those two trolled each other as friends. Makes sense Steve didnt mention seeing Bryan at Computex whilst naming everybody else.
@@xdreampcs8554 Recent few months, I think it started by Steve's X58 video.
3 years later, I just picked one up for $50 delivered and with 800gb of storage
Rocking basically the same system. Well, it's a Dell T7500 workstation. But a dual X5675 setup with 24GB of RAM, and an RX 480. It's a productivity MONSTER. And does GREAT in most games with minimal bottlenecking! Can go WELL over 60fps, especially if you bump up resolution to 1440p, OR play on ultra at 1080p. The place it really drops off are in games like CS:GO that basically just use one or two threads. In that case... MAYBE consider something like the X5687's. They only have 4/8 instead of 6/12, BUT have a way higher base and boost clock, and if gaming on poorly optimized titles is your biggest concern, the better single-core performance will help. A lot.
I just got in a T7500... Dual X5675 CPUs and 144GB of RAM for $500. That strikes me as a deal if you need lots of RAM :)
I will be doing a video on it!
I was able to acquire for $ZERO a decommissioned Dell Precision T5600 (2xE5-2667, 32GB REEC 1600 DDR3, 825W DELL PS) from my company. I threw in one SSD, an HDD, and a GTX 970 ($120). I also upgraded later-on to Dual E5-2689 (8C /16T ea.; pair cost $150) that all-core turbo to 3.3Ghz. I have invested about $350 total in this rig to date.
Frankly, a beast of a rig. Manages 1080P med to hi at 60+FPS.
I have an HP Z800. It's nice PC, but quite slow in some areas.
You can also get systems spec'd like this for much less if you go for "servers" instead of "workstations" just be prepared for fans the sound like jet engines and possibly some modding.
Those are the intake fans on the front that pass air across memory and the CPUs. YOu can easily transfer the motherboard to a larger case that supports E-ATX size motherboards and get rid of those jet engine intake fans.
Man im looking forward to your cpu reviews once the new amd line up drops
excellent review, thank you! I've been considering getting this machine. Good spec for software development, blockchain projects and so on.
RX 580 or RX 590 is best for this old rig
Do you guys suggest a "new" cheap sound card from Amazon or a used, older but formerly "high-end" sound card from Ebay?
Hey tech I've seen other guys do the "buy an old CPU and game" video,but you break it down like no one else,dude I'm signing up for floatplane right now
Brian Mccullough Thank you so much for the support!
I've put a 2.5 SATA SSD into a model like this, it was a few years newer, but it had the same case though, you will need an adapter for your 2.5 inch SATA SSD that will give it all the same side screw holes as a 3.5 inch mechanical HDD, and will put the sata connectors on the SSD into the same position as a 3.5 mech hdd. It just felt so right to use the two hdd spots instead of hanging it loose. One trick I used is taking faulty WD velociraptor 10,000rpm drives out of their enclosures. The hard drive in those is actually 2.5" tall drive, you just pop it out and replace it with the SSD, INSTANT ADAPTER.
On the topic of CPU bottle-necking, that is a horrible bottleneck, that's a "replace your whole computer" bottleneck.
On the topic of refurb computers, if it does not have SATA3, USB3, "fuggitt about itttt"
Really cool vid thank you!!
More of these vids Mr.TechDeals please!! :D
What do you suggest?
Hp ProLiant ML350 G6 with dual x5675 or to stick with my Z600 with dual x5670?
Today, you can find the same system with dual X5680s for the same price, plus an RX 580s are cheaper than the 1060, without the VRAM limitations. Great video.
Thanks for the video. I have a Z600 with two Xeon x5675 and GTX 1060, My question is can i change the GTX 1060 for a RX Vega 56 with the same Power Supply (standard 650w)?
@Tech Deals - Thanks for the video. Would you mind reviewing the Dell Inspiron 7000 series AIO desktops? The AMD ones are intriguing. Specifically, I want to get rid of my older desktops because I can't stand the heat they radiate. I'd like to know how well they perform, and how much heat they radiate. Personally, it would be worth the change based on the heat output alone (if it is noticeably better). Thanks.
I bought one with 48Gb of DDR3 ram,a 450gb 15k rpm HD and 256gb SSD boot disk in it, for a few bucks more,great seller.
I have a system like that when I bought it it came with 2 x Xeon X5650 3 years later I upgrade the 2 x CPU to the top this system can take the X5675 and upgrade the 24G of RAM to 48G I also have a 1060 and run most modern games on high to ultra 60 to 80 FPS never tried Division.
The HP Z800 can run on 2 x Xeon X5690 which are again much better and still sold even today for $150AUD. The Xeon X5675 sell for $45AUD.
I recommend if you buy this system HPZ600 make sure it’s the V2 model and try getting it with the Xeon X5675.
🙂 thx for sharing
Bought one for a file server and put Unraid on it. Except mine is the 8 core 16 thread version. For this it is fast and plenty of machine. Running some VM's for game servers and other things. They are loads of fun. Mine was $100 bucks and I added 8 gigs of ram and faster CPU's X5570 instead of X5550's.
Have been running same setup for a few years now, just with 2 x X5675 instead, it's not as bottlenecked 3@3.4GHz. My kids are running Z400's with X5687's cpu's they are only 4core but for gaming I would recommend the extra speed 3.60@3.86GHz, but due to the limited power supply in the z400 I used a gtx 750 TI in their machines, and they still pull almost all modern games, for a price of around $200 for the entire setup, including plenty of RAM and SSD's
I love the Z600
I'm currently running
Operating System
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
CPU
Intel Xeon X5672 @ 3.20GHz 38 °C
Westmere-EP 32nm Technology
Intel Xeon X5672 @ 3.20GHz 41 °C
Westmere-EP 32nm Technology
RAM
16.0GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 664MHz (9-9-9-24)
Motherboard
Hewlett-Packard 0AE8h (CPU0 PROCESSOR) 36 °C
Graphics
Samsung KU6300 LED TV 4K HDR UHD (3840x2160@60Hz)
X183H (1366x768@60Hz)
4095MB (8G) NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 (Gigabyte) 43 °C
Storage
119GB Samsung SSD 840 PRO Series (SATA (SSD)) 27 °C
931GB Hitachi HDS721010CLA332 (SATA ) 27 °C
Optical Drives
HL-DT-ST BD-RE WH14NS40
Audio
NVIDIA High Definition Audio
Dude, I almost have the same computer!!! I have the Z400 workstation lol
Good video... More like these please!
I don't understand the title of the video, what does it have to do with a Ryzen 3900x , how do you compare your machine to the Ryzen ? | Title > ( 12 Core Gaming PC for $500 - Benchmarks - Comparison to Ryzen 9 3900X ). That being said it's a nice video, it just doesen't make any sense with that title.
🙂 i think he was trying to appease the amd fanboys that would obviously troll this video
will the new ryzen 9 12 core 24 threads be compatible with an existing ASUS x470 motherboard ? power supply? or do I have to get a new board?
im trying to add 32GB ram to my z600. which do you recomend
No deal.. but cool video none the less. The antique computer, that once cost $13K and can still play 'some' games adequately 9 years later.. pretty impressive when you think about it that way.
Fantastic Video! you are a ROCK Star Tech!
nice video as always but i will put a side note many of this deals are only available in the US
Great video... as usual.
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Where could I find a decent(long term) product review for a mouse...? Looking to replace one that gets heavy gaming use. Would like to replace it with an equally durable unit.
Thanks...
I own and use multiple Logitech G700s mice, love them... they don't make them anymore. I don't love the G703 replacement...
We are using a number of Corsair mice in the office, we also use a pair of Cooler Master mice as well.
I’m considering getting Z800 as I want to return to PC gaming. Are you reading my mind or something?
Great Video 😃 !
I have a Z400 sitting around. If the Z600 is anything like the Z400, it has a proprietary PSU. The Dell Precisions from the same era upgrade easier. I was able to pick up a Precision T3500 (single socket) with 12GB of RAM and a quad core for $35 and slaped in a W3670 (6c/12t) for another $30. That was a deal, even if it isn't up to par with today's processors.
I hope a mother doesn't see this video, and think it is a fine option for a gaming computer for her kid. This video should come with a disclaimer, saying that there are much much better options for the same amount of money.
The T7500 is a much better deal and is far more upgradeable
Great vid!
I'm running an HP ml350 G6 with 2x x5672 3.2Ghz and 24gb 1333mhz ddr3, Gtx 970, 480gb ssd. The whole setup cost me about 500$ Canadian
x5650 has been a stellar deal the last few years if one could get lga 1366 board for cheap. In 2019 I would not recommend it to anyone. x5650 is power hungry, if you overclock it (which you should to really make it good) then it consumes ALOT. Last year it was better to get onto i7-2600k instead, this year, first gen of ryzen is just too good of a deal. New or used, does not matter, they are dirt cheap and hellishly good for their cost with an upgrade path, pcie 3.0, ddr4 etc.
LGA1366 still has a warm spot in my heart though, incredible architecture.
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G'day Tech,
I was just having a look on eBay.com.au & there are some of these with 1 CPU from $350AUD, but for one with 2 CPUs start at $600AUD,
I think I prefer my i7-2700K & EVGA Z68M with 8GB 1600MHz for $170AUD
I have the same machine, I bought an MSI GTX 1070 GPU, it requires two power connectors, 6 pin and 8 pin, I had to get an adapter for the 8 pin from SATA, the pc boot up normally, but a game like Fortnite will cause the PSU to shutdown instantly once the game starts (main menu works fine until you start playing).
Is the PSU (650w allegedly) not enough for the GPU? or mine is faulty?
I like how the smaller rtx cards look bc even though it's a small card it has a huge thick heatsync and it makes smaller PCs with limited room more relevant
Not every machine needs to be future proof.
Granted I prefer modern machines to dead platforms, but for the today and tomorrow many older plats will still do what most actually need it to do... be a PC
What are your thoughts on me upgrading my 1070Ti with a 2080Ti "super" while keeping my 5.2 GHz i5-8600k? I'll be playing on a 144 Hz, 1440p monitor.
My thoughts can be summerized with this.
; [O_o]
If you have 2080 TI money, you have i9-9900K money, IMHO...
@@TechDeals lol. I knew you would say that, but I was wondering if it was necessary. I've watched comparisons between the two, and it's less than10% fps difference.
I'd be very interested to see what sort of performance you'd get with more powerful yet still non-current processors, e.g. two 4-core 3GHz+ Xeon v2's. Any chance of seeing something like that in the future?
I really like the comparison here with the 1060 3GB vs RTX 2060 6GB. I would like to see a higher VRAM on 1060 at least more than 3GB for a more fair apples to oranges comparison. I bought a GTX 1060 6GB on Tech Deals recommendations a couple years ago and have been happy with the way it has hold it value. I only game on a 1080 monitor, but I still can set games to high/ultimate and the frame rate is solid.
got hpz 800, x5650 xeons, looking for graphic upgrade
will this gtx 1060 6 gb fit in perfectly without any issues??, I majorly work on blender, 3ds max, Video editing and Unreal engine 4
This PC $500
Apple Pro Stand $1000
You chose.
The intro has so much power in this video.
I bought one of these 2 weeks ago for $40
Only had one x5672, but the second just got delivered from ebay for $11
Came with 6gb of ram. Will need to increase that for sure...
The triple channel memory actually makes even 1333 ddr3 quite sufficient for today's tasks
I just picked one up for $230 2x x5670's. I'm going to try to get a NVME to boot, I was able to use my Plextor M8pey to boot on my old x58 setup with a x5675, hopefully this will work too.
Listening to this guy is pure pleasure
@Tech Deals
I have a request for your Zen2 review. It would be ideal for one of your shorter 10-15 minutes A vs. B comparison on one parameter videos.
A. 2*8 GB of fast and expensive RAM. 3600 MT/s and CL=14, 3700 MT/s and CL=15.
B. 4*8 GB of value-oriented memory, simple 3200 MT/s and CL=16
In the second case you can have a read and a write operation in the same cycle but the clock frequency is lower and the latencies are worse. The price doesn't differ much between these two configurations. Which one will win?
(yes, 3000 MT/s and CL=16 is even more value oriented but with the current prices that would be leaping over dollars to pick up pennies as you like to say it)
Cheers.
32GB of RAM doesn't show up in most benchmarks, real world workloads show the benefits to that.
I have 64GB in my main 2 workstations and will have 144GB in my Dell T7500 NAS, so yea that's kinda nuts, but it was cheap! :) $500 all in for dual X5675 CPUs and 144GB of RAM.
@@TechDeals
It is not the amount of RAM which would be a benefit yet, though I am a bit worried that 16 GB might not last 6 years in Windows and you know how it works, best buy all the DIMM's in one set instead of upgrading later if you want to avoid getting a headache.
The fact that it can do a read- and write-operation per channel in the same cycle might be an advantage. If you would have asked me 24 hours ago I would have thought that it doesn't matter much but I read this article on the well known German webmagazine Computerbase. In this case it is written by a forum-member.
www.computerbase.de/forum/threads/dual-ranked-vs-single-ranked-ram-bei-ryzen.1816973/
It is in German but for the graphs there is an English explanation. Single rank vs. dual rank.
As you know for Ryzen the RAM is rather important to reduce latency, mostly because the clock frequency of the Infinity Fabric is coupled to the clock frequency of the RAM. Spending a bit more on RAM makes sense, especially with the current RAM prices and now that the 3700X will probably be a strong competitor of the 9900k and the 3600 will be a strong competitor of the 9700k. I would like 32 GB of RAM but I am a bit worried about picking higher latency/lower clock frequency RAM for the Ryzen platform.
AMD announced that the RAM will easily OC on the X570 motherboards, I am curious how well the RAM OC's on the X470 motherboards. How good or bad is the quality of the traces on the X470 motherboards? If you don't need PCIe 4 in the next 4-6 years (however long you use that platform) then a discounted X470 Taichi might be as interesting as a budget X570 motherboard.
Curious... small time content creation... 1080 gaming, creating RUclips videos, maybe streaming games on RUclips at most... paired with a 1650 super or a 1660 ti maybe
Thoughts on something like this as a potential streaming machine on a dual setup? Like another computer would be handling the games while this would be running OBS, etc.
This is really the wrong choice for that... It has power in all the wrong places... Frankly a used Dell Optiplex i5-2400 would be a better choice for that job...
@@TechDeals Good to know. Thanks!
Unfortunately i was tried to game on Rtx2060 with hp z600, and my workstation is Shouting down in one specific moment when i was gaming.
I dont know what to do :(
Me spec:
Hp z600
24GB Ram
2x xeon x5675
Ssd Sata 3
And hdd 1T
I tried a 2060 with a z600, dual x5675 and 48gb and it shut down every time. Using a 1060 worked well. I imagine dual x5650 is just enough for the power supply to support a 2060.