just to clear up a small confusion: the wall being shot at starting at 0:53 is about 16640 units away it only looks close because the fov is set to 15, since i wanted it to be zoomed far in to easily show the spread sizes relative to each other
Because thats on servers without random bullet spread, probably. Or you're not at fucking point blank, fuck rng Edit, he showed that its not fixed bullet spread, but he's *exactly* in front of the enemy. Good luck with that.
Y’know, that kinda gives me an idea. Some peripheral softwares have turbo mode like Razer Synapse. If you could set the turbo button to 4 clicks per second, you could efficiently and consistently snipe with the minigun
@@Malysitos From what I've heard tf2 servers can kick you if you are using turbo buttons. Something about the server seeing too many commands being inputted at weird intervals and kicking you because of that. I'm probably wrong though.
@@NathanCE I doubt that’s the case, TF2 is still plagued with aim-bots and hackers. If the VAC system can’t detect them, I doubt it will do anything to people using turbo buttons. And besides, it’s just a turbo button. It’s not like a macro or script where multiple buttons are being pressed within short intervals. And speaking of macros and scripts, they are still allowed in the game. I’m pretty sure Uncle Dane is still using them to quickly destroy buildings.
These spreads are so ridiculous holy shit, this is why I was always missing when holding m1 on amby or enforcer while perfectly aiming at target I understand a lot now, thank you!
note however that during the section with the revolvers, the wall i was shooting at was 16640 units away and i had my fov set to 15 the point of the section is just to show the relative size of the spread cones to each other
I like how there's a hidden stat for the Amby that has an effect on accuracy reset speed and a sort of gradual accuracy reset. Meanwhile the other revolvers have a hard reset for accuracy after 1.25 seconds.
@@catsareyes6446 well the don't actually fire bullets, they don't want anyone to know they've managed to invent Mass Effect style sand grain sized bullets that shoot forever so they added a dud magazine to their guns and occasionally 'reload' them sometimes.
Scout: "Man this handgun has some slow recovery between shots." Sniper: "Yeah, this SMG has a lot of kick to it. How's that Minigun holding up Heavy?" Heavy: "Sniping, it is a GOOD JOB COMRADE!"
Honestly mindblowing to read the comments section here lol. I haven't played tf2 in like 6 years but knew about the hitscan spread mechanics, I remember watching videos explaining things like the wait time between revolver shots etc. Kinda nice to see that there's still people learning about and engaging with this game, even if its barely supported by the developer anymore
Fuck, this reminds me of IdTech1. If you didn't know, in Doom 1 and 2, the first shot from the pistol and minigun is always 100% accurate. So if you click fire and wait for the first idle frame and then fire again, you'll never miss due to spread. You'll see it used in competitive death match as a method of sniping players since projectile weapons can be dodged.
I could be wrong about this, so take this with a grain of salt. But the Source engine is built off of the Goldsrc engine, which is a heavily modified Quake engine, which (I think) is an updated Doom engine. So this mechanic in TF2 could very well be inherited from Doom 1
@@Headcrabman9999 You could totally be right. I haven't done any research, my only basis for that claim is that Doom and Quake were both made by id lmao
@@branchy2000inc Nah. I'd say pretty much all of IdTech 1 was gutted by the time Source came along. Valve's game designers/programmers at the time simply decided that this would be a good thing to reduce randomness.
If you look in advanced settings, you can make it to where you reload automatically when not firing. I recommend turning it on since every reload animation in the game can actually be cancelled by firing, meaning there's no disadvantage to doing so.
Normally I'd say "Damn, this game is a 1 and a half decade old trash can" but that Minigun part deserves a "Damn, this game is a 1 and a half decade old trash can but that was pretty cool"
Why play Sniper or Gunslinger Engineer w/ Wrangler when you can play Heavy and shoot one bullet at a time? The only price to pay is a very tired hand after spam clicking m1
Holy shit I have 1.7K hours in this game and I never knew the first shot of a minigun and a shotgun per accuracy cooldown ensured that at least 1 pellet will be dead accurate. That is super cool, thank you for sharing.
The enforcer has it's niche uses like sentry shield destruction and vaccinator mediguns, though I wish it had the 20% damage increase on default instead of only being active in disguise
this was something I realized after around 3k hours of playing, just taking your time with your shots will help so much with accuracy. hitscan in tf2 is about finesse and weighing you accuracy vs burst damage. close range u can unleash but anything else requires patience
yes, pretty much. Since both are 100% accurate to the crosshair on the first shot. The tomislavs reduced firing speed wont even matter, since compared to the minigun it has an extra 0.1s interval, but to be 100% accurate on both miniguns takes a 0.25s interval, making the reduced firing speed irrelevant in such a situation.
just to clear up a small confusion: the wall being shot at starting at 0:53 is about 16640 units away
it only looks close because the fov is set to 15, since i wanted it to be zoomed far in to easily show the spread sizes relative to each other
Ok
@@aladontheinternet6363 Ok
is it seriously that far away
@@eggleg03 what does your name translate to?
@@aladontheinternet6363
| _ Vanilla _ | i think ( rusty so do not hurt me if i'm wrong)
"One shotgun pellet is always guaranteed to be 100% accurate."
Oh okay so the game *does* hate me then.
ah i understand
Because thats on servers without random bullet spread, probably. Or you're not at fucking point blank, fuck rng
Edit, he showed that its not fixed bullet spread, but he's *exactly* in front of the enemy. Good luck with that.
Clippy random bullet spread or not, 3 damage is all I’ve got
@@wormybobcat3706oh boy so i have a class for you (puts pyro in the table)
@@usernametaken017 (becomes a chad and comboes things) WHAT HAVE YOU DONE
Yo that minigun sniping
Y’know, that kinda gives me an idea. Some peripheral softwares have turbo mode like Razer Synapse. If you could set the turbo button to 4 clicks per second, you could efficiently and consistently snipe with the minigun
@@Malysitos From what I've heard tf2 servers can kick you if you are using turbo buttons. Something about the server seeing too many commands being inputted at weird intervals and kicking you because of that. I'm probably wrong though.
@@NathanCE I doubt that’s the case, TF2 is still plagued with aim-bots and hackers. If the VAC system can’t detect them, I doubt it will do anything to people using turbo buttons.
And besides, it’s just a turbo button. It’s not like a macro or script where multiple buttons are being pressed within short intervals.
And speaking of macros and scripts, they are still allowed in the game. I’m pretty sure Uncle Dane is still using them to quickly destroy buildings.
I guess Valve did that intentionally as a throwback to Doom, where the same thing could be done with the chaingun.
I guess not many people knew
These spreads are so ridiculous holy shit, this is why I was always missing when holding m1 on amby or enforcer while perfectly aiming at target
I understand a lot now, thank you!
note however that during the section with the revolvers, the wall i was shooting at was 16640 units away and i had my fov set to 15
the point of the section is just to show the relative size of the spread cones to each other
Nice to see you around here!
its pisses me off so much to have the crosshair on someone and still not hit a single bullet
Wait u didnt know that already
Bro if you want to land more shots with hitscan weapons, just ask politely.
I like how there's a hidden stat for the Amby that has an effect on accuracy reset speed and a sort of gradual accuracy reset. Meanwhile the other revolvers have a hard reset for accuracy after 1.25 seconds.
Yeah i like that hidden stat that nobody talk about ahhh if u r a wiki fan/spy main u already know that
it also cannot headshot when not accurate
@Semitex ??
@@ismaciodismorphus3320 I understand it has been 9 months since your comment but
The video literally has a chapter about the Enforcer at the end
That SHOULD be a thing for ALL Revolvers
damn I thought I was just lucky with my shotguns.
Well if that doesnt work, just use more guns
@@theniceumbrella7174 *Moer gun intensifies*
holy shit *drip engi*
@@paulignacio3720 drip engineer gaming
*DRIP-GINEER*
oh no, if diamondback spies learn this..... it's over
Right behind you
@Manek Iridius r/wooosh
I’ll do it
@@Billy-xq3mb epic Reddit chungus moment imma send Bomb threats to valve for putting turbine on comp
edit: thanks for the gold kind stranger!
@@detectivehermes1013 Big chungus big chungus
0:53 Chicago ambience
detroit asmr
Epstein’s Jail cell when he “committed suicide”.
POV: You are now entering: Detroit
Brazil Main Menu Music
@@avykh99 Rio de Janeiro official OST
friend: what music are u into?
me: 0.6 1.2 1.25 revolver
0:48 the sniper just puts the mag back in lol
High FOV creates problems
Premature reload, the sniper just realised the mag wasn't empty yet
@@burnsy96
Then the magazine is filled up. Turns out the bullets hitting is a lie.
@@catsareyes6446 well the don't actually fire bullets, they don't want anyone to know they've managed to invent Mass Effect style sand grain sized bullets that shoot forever so they added a dud magazine to their guns and occasionally 'reload' them sometimes.
Like the galil in cs 1.6
Holy shit, that spread.
Guess I need to slow down when I'm playing Spy.
the wall is extremely far away but zoomed in with fov 15
That's what i normally do when i have crits on my Diamondback
@@cheddartaco It's still spread that I need to account for.
My aim is nowhere near perfect.
Me too,but the smg of sniper I use it like a Assault Rifle and it works
Scout: "Man this handgun has some slow recovery between shots."
Sniper: "Yeah, this SMG has a lot of kick to it. How's that Minigun holding up Heavy?"
Heavy: "Sniping, it is a GOOD JOB COMRADE!"
0:41 *So anyways, I started dancing.*
UwU
@Indigo This is a water pistol, isn't it? 🔫
@@davidhong1934 yes yes
Now
Press the trigger without fear
Dont worry the g- the water gun is on your head
Its just water
@@puro7706
lol
@@puro7706XD
So basically how Doom’s pistol and chain gun work
How all hit-scan weapons work, pretty much.
Exactly. Wait for the right keyframe to re-fire, and your dinky handgun and rotating automatic become snipers.
So, I need a full second interval to land my ambassador headshots, this video is very helpful and informative
that cooldown exists independently of accuracy resets
just as the animation reloads, but you dont need to reload.
What about sentries when using wrangler? Does it have perfect accuracy or can it be perfect if you shoot at intervals?
The wrangler has tracking but not perfect accuracy and I think intervals don't help.
sentries have perfect accuracy while unwrangled, but will be inaccurate by 3 degrees while wrangled
But then again it's a sentry gun, hardly anyone is gonna try and take a wrangled sentry head on alone.
@@wingedbluj1674 that one scout gibus:
@@wingedbluj1674 That one medic that ubered the local spy:
So happy to have learned recoil is a thing. This is an eye opener.
Recoil?
@@awsomebot1 you asking what recoil is or how it’s in tf2?
@@notnottheslam-jamfrancisco9262 How is it in tf2? The thing shown in video is just random spread/inaccuracy in the form of bloom.
This isnt recoil
This is S P R E A D
So that’s why I can’t aim for shit
High quality content
Sleep : Sniping with a sniper rifle
*Woke: Sniping with a gatling gun by tapping it*
So in other words holding down the shoot button is literally stormtrooper level
ladies and gentlemen, it's not Random Crits
Random Bullet Spread is the true culprit
Neither nor.
This isn't rbs
This is just bullet spread.
If rbs waa disabled, the same video would be made
Honestly mindblowing to read the comments section here lol. I haven't played tf2 in like 6 years but knew about the hitscan spread mechanics, I remember watching videos explaining things like the wait time between revolver shots etc. Kinda nice to see that there's still people learning about and engaging with this game, even if its barely supported by the developer anymore
when you were doing the amby vrs enforce(starting at 0:52) spread tests, how far where you from the surface you where shoting on?
about 16640 units and i had my fov set to 15
@@wgetJane ok ty
And you thought Minecraft was the first one to give advantages to the more patient fighters
What about fornite
@@jamepix I cannot express how much I want to club you with a skillet right now
@@jamepix recoil basically doesnt exist in fortnite you pleb
@@Sillimant_ Damn man CHILL CHILL
Try 1.8 PvP
Imagine outsniping a sniper through repeated tapfiring of the minigun lmao
That is a legitimate strategy employed by heavy mains
scoped snipers have full flinch resistance to miniguns after a medium range kinda distance tho
@@tommputer it's hard to get around, but a legitimate strategy
I guess Valve did that intentionally as a throwback to Doom, where the same thing could be done with the chaingun.
@@lev7509 wait really? that's so cool!
So ur telling me I can finally achieve my dream of becoming the sniper heavy?
After playing for almost 10 years and not knowing this I just feel betrayed somehow
Fuck, this reminds me of IdTech1. If you didn't know, in Doom 1 and 2, the first shot from the pistol and minigun is always 100% accurate. So if you click fire and wait for the first idle frame and then fire again, you'll never miss due to spread. You'll see it used in competitive death match as a method of sniping players since projectile weapons can be dodged.
I could be wrong about this, so take this with a grain of salt. But the Source engine is built off of the Goldsrc engine, which is a heavily modified Quake engine, which (I think) is an updated Doom engine. So this mechanic in TF2 could very well be inherited from Doom 1
@@branchy2000inc i don't think the quake engine is inherently connected to the doom engine
@@Headcrabman9999 You could totally be right. I haven't done any research, my only basis for that claim is that Doom and Quake were both made by id lmao
@@branchy2000inc Nah. I'd say pretty much all of IdTech 1 was gutted by the time Source came along. Valve's game designers/programmers at the time simply decided that this would be a good thing to reduce randomness.
Im a big fan of these more in-depth videos about tf2, thanks for making me learn! :)
so it has that Doom logic, in Doom 1 and 2 the pistol and chaingun's first shot is always 100% accurate
"Valve fix nao!"
Tf2 was deliberatley desigend with these quirks in mind. You not getting a 100 killstreak is not a flaw of the game.
Yep, and I’m tired of these dumbasses complaining about RBS and BS.
With the enforcer 0.05 seconds makes such a difference
0:10 This bops.
So, what i took from this is, anything can be a sniper if you try hard enough
or wait hard enough
So all these years I *_haven't_* been crazy for tap-firing!
Moral of the story : adding 0.05 seconds to your 1.2 seconds shooting interval can make you a sniper
now i understand the point in having a target crosshair.. very intriguing and painful to realize
1:05 no one is going to point out the beauty of the shot sync here? They even took turns
GF: He’s probably cheating on me
Me and the boys: 0:37
I love the detail that presses the fact that the character doesn’t rest his hand or puts it back in position
Revolver spy is an ORCHESTRA !!!
Explains why every try hard reloads each second
they have autoreload on
If you look in advanced settings, you can make it to where you reload automatically when not firing. I recommend turning it on since every reload animation in the game can actually be cancelled by firing, meaning there's no disadvantage to doing so.
I didn't know this game was counterstrike
Valve.
huh, that's why I can still snipe with scouts pistol.
That (1.2 - 1.25 sec. [revolver] )accuracy change tho..
Holy God is it a biiig difference..
shotgun in other fps:just works when close to enemy
tf2:shotgun is a sniper
Normally I'd say "Damn, this game is a 1 and a half decade old trash can" but that Minigun part deserves a "Damn, this game is a 1 and a half decade old trash can but that was pretty cool"
Why play Sniper or Gunslinger Engineer w/ Wrangler when you can play Heavy and shoot one bullet at a time? The only price to pay is a very tired hand after spam clicking m1
No...it can't be...everything-everything is the panic attack! AHHHHHHHH
Holy shit I have 1.7K hours in this game and I never knew the first shot of a minigun and a shotgun per accuracy cooldown ensured that at least 1 pellet will be dead accurate. That is super cool, thank you for sharing.
this is how 0.05 sec can win you a round
1:21 how to be john wick wait for 0.05 seconds
✝️God loves you so much, Jesus is king!✝️
Valve be like: yes this is a suitable mechanic for team fortress 2 the video game
Random spy:shooting at a wall
Everybody else in the daycare: *mom pick me up I'm scared*
how to be a fat rapid firing sniper: 1.be heavy
2.rapid click your mouse
So this is where the saying "You couldn't hit the broad side of a barn" comes from.
If holding M1 is so inaccurate, I sure as hell don't want to know what the flamethrower is like with a one-second interval.
That 3 damage with shotgun is my guaranteed max at any distance
Ah I see why I keep getting scammed of my shots now
So "The Ambassador" is more acurated than" The Enforcer " with 0.25 seconds
Damm and i like more the Enforcer even is the worse Revolver
The enforcer has it's niche uses like sentry shield destruction and vaccinator mediguns, though I wish it had the 20% damage increase on default instead of only being active in disguise
Confirmed, all tf2 weapons roll with Opening Shot as their intrinsic perk
As a heavy main
I spam click at longer ranges for the perfect accuracy
The sound of the reloading shotgun sounds nice.
This is actually pretty accurate considering how its weird to focus the gun at a moving target multiple times
So what I’m seeing is that this game has an accurate pellet spread considering all the characters are trained professionals? Nice!
So in short
The first shot always hits
if every weapons first bullet is 100% accurate in this game,then "3catspam" might be able to run in it
I knew the revolvers had some messed up spread!
No wonder why my diamond back always miss
I have been playing tf2 for years and I have now just learned this
1:39 thats crazy .05 seconds and its pinpoint from all over the place
Man the Enforcer can just never catch a break can it?
People probably won't believe me but I've known this for a long time
this was something I realized after around 3k hours of playing, just taking your time with your shots will help so much with accuracy. hitscan in tf2 is about finesse and weighing you accuracy vs burst damage. close range u can unleash but anything else requires patience
So youre telling me that i can be heavy and sniper at the same time?
0:53 OH NO HE IS OPENING A BLACKHOLE
moral of the story: if you take the time to aim, you will hit your target
I find it really strange that so many people didnt know this game has random bullet spread
So thats why it feels like nothing hits with the revolver
So the Enforcer never really had the same recoveryas the Ambassador? Big sad.
1:21 sounds like music
just to be clear this is a game/simulator calm down
Patience is a virtue
0:10i do these and I fell like i am hacker
Is tomislav the same as the minigun? In terms of the perfect accuracy and yada yada
yes, pretty much. Since both are 100% accurate to the crosshair on the first shot. The tomislavs reduced firing speed wont even matter, since compared to the minigun it has an extra 0.1s interval, but to be 100% accurate on both miniguns takes a 0.25s interval, making the reduced firing speed irrelevant in such a situation.
Ok lesson learned that every weapon have bad spread
Me and the boys sniping with a shotgun
sniper with smg: *imma* *forget* *about* *rifles,* *this* *is* *not *csgo!*
What have we learn so far that is alway shoot after 1 second
when you realize tf2 has a more accurate shutgun accuracy that cs:go or crossfire
No wonder my revolver aim is crap, the revolver's accuracy is crap. Weird that the SMG seems to be more accurate than a single shot revolver
read the pinned comment
sometimes it looks like a ytpmv
0:52 sounds like a new year XD
At a 1:30 you can hear a beat XD
800 hours in, learning this just now.
So its better to wait until hit marker goes normal lol
0:52
Thats a kick ass polyrhythm
The bullet spread of the revolvers are stupid
why?
So this is basically like the Java edition weapon cooldown if you want to deal full damage
Lmao Tf2 has first shot accuracy?