Huntsman headshots
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Huntsman arrows don't have a giant size. Unlike grenades, they aren't simulated with VPhysics. Arrows actually have a size of 1×1×1 units³.
Like other projectiles, arrows use a player's bounding box instead of their hitboxes for collision detection.
Upon intersecting with a player's bounding box, the game tries to attach the arrow to the player model. It tries to figure out which body part it should be attached to.
A raytrace is performed using the arrow's position and velocity at the point of impact, and when it intersects with a hitbox then the arrow is attached to that.
Otherwise, the game loops through all of the player's hitboxes. For each of them, a raytrace is performed from the arrow to their centre, getting the distance until intersection. The arrow is attached to the one with the shortest resulting distance.
If the arrow is attached to the head hitbox, then it's considered a headshot.
So if an arrow hits the very corner of a player's bounding box and the hitbox that's closest to the corner is the head hitbox, then that's a headshot. But if the player is performing an animation like the medic call so the hand hitbox is closest to the corner, then that's a handshot.
(If the arrows in the video seem to appear with a slight delay, then that's because I forgot to change my interp setting from 60.6 ms to 15.2 ms before recording.)
part 2: ruclips.net/video/6vVcBglCatM/видео.html
hewwo
Finally a scientific answer to the question "how was that a headshot"
So you are telling me the answer is
"Nope, that wasn't a headshot. But fuck you anyway!"
thanks
Fat h i t b o x
this explains why it's impossible to headshot anyone during end of round, it's because of hands that are raised up and closer to hitbox
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But it doesn't matter because you have crits anyways :D
Rip what the last reply said
The only real difference is the killfeed icon, you have crits anyways
@@xxdestroyerxxal id be cool if you noscope headshot anyone while crit boosted it still shows a headshot icon
Those hitboxes make me sick
Those aren't hitboxes.
@@dashyz3293 then what are they smarty pants?
@@gangstascout3593 collision hulls :)
@@mylo5641 ok smarty pants
@@mylo5641 wow smarty pants I wish i was that smart
So basically, soldier is immune to headshots from the front
_I see a Huntsman_
*Tactical magnetic wrists engage*
_I aim up_
@@gangrene9897 forgot to switch accounts?
@@nuulcoolpro people like you make me sick
@@nuulcoolpro why switch tho
@@IAm-zo1bo sick
Okay, so this basically means that if you aim near the head, its a headshot. Thanks!
Explains the gods of the bow.
Buddy wrote this before watching the video
@@atruepanda1782 I mean, no, he’s basically right. He said “near” and I’d say the top of your right shoulder is near the head yeah. That’s what near means
@@sirdbird7292 yes, but the thing is that shooting near the head isn't guaranteed to be a headshot depending on the target's animation. To quote the description: "if an arrow hits the very corner of a player's bounding box and the hitbox that's closest to the corner is the head hitbox, then that's a headshot. But if the player is performing an animation like the medic call so the hand hitbox is closest to the corner, then that's a handshot."
@@load-bearingcoconut5586 Oh yes, that is true, but like you explained in your comment, when doing an animation like the "medic" call the players hand will move between the arrow and the head. The arrow is no longer on target with the head, and now you're shooting near the hand or arm.
I personally do not see a problem with the arrow striking the arm instead of the head specifically when the arm is swinging in front of the head. If the head is exposed and you shoot near it - headshot. If the head is not exposed and you shoot near it - no headshot. That makes sense
That explains why i seem to hit impsible shots with the huntsman, no wonder its called the lucksman
Adds a spicy factor
*HUNTSMAN GAMING GOD OF HITBOX*
@Professor Weaboo you're
@Professor Weaboo You're* and i don't think you understood my comment corectly
You're doing god's work.
God should do his own work. What a lazy bastard
Why... Why did you... The ending... it... oh my god...
shut up
@@Lachrymogenic ???
@@Lachrymogenic ???
@@Lachrymogenic ???
@@Lachrymogenic ???
Me: feeling good getting a headshot almost every time and thinking I’m a god at this game.
Me after seeing the hitbox: It was All a Lie!
I'm pretty sure it's only huntsman, if you play regular sniper then you're safe . . . for now
@@atruepanda1782 i mean it's still mostly ok tho
Its still hilarious to down someone with an arrow
So does this mean that your class and weapon (how your arms are positioned holding that weapon) defines how big of an advantage or a disadvantage you have against a huntsman sniper?
The first thing that pops into my head is a heavy with fists having his hands in front of him, meaning the arrow ray trace will likely hit those first in most cases, as well as the scout having his head leaned slightly forward, meaning the area in front the bounding box which is closest to the head might be bigger compared to other classes.
yes
This actually would explain why I can headshot scouts easier than heavies
there are also plenty of hitbox manipulation videos on tf2 out there
@@deletedTestimony nice pfp i love davepetasprite
“Stupid bloody spoies!”
so if the spy stands like *this* I don't kill him but jf he stands like *t h a t* then I do?
magic!
Wait...
I can blame it on the hitboxes?
HEY GUYS IM NOT GARBAGE AT THE GAME!
@smelly paws to be honest you need to shut up
And no id you aim well you will still do better
@@IAm-zo1bo ok sniper main
We don’t gotta insult sniper mains here. Not every sniper sucks at aiming.
No one is talking about the last 3 seconds of the video like it doesn’t even exist-
I just saw that lol
Which explains why I headshot an invisible Spy while I was aiming at the Heavy head ....
Uh no it doesn't
After 9 years of development:
It's not even that bad there are bigger problems
Nice pfp btw 💗💜💙
Hopefully it was worth the wait
@@gabbie07 thx
Nice profile pic💖💜💙
Arrow: *enters tit*
Valve:"Thats a headshot."
Server:"Thats a headshot."
Gaben:"Thats a headshot."
Players: ...?
“It’s just my gaming chair bro”
"After 9 years in development hopefully it will be worth the wait"
0:54 The way they offset the rectile so that way the animation would line up is comedy gold
Noted. Aim to spy left shoulder while im using the razorback.
Idk if this is a joke but shooting the head is still the best
Yeah is a hitbox joke of how disgustingly big the arrow is
Video: large hitbox
Game: arrow flew right next to head, didn't hit
I'm guessing the hitbox movement during the game is subject to lag, so it becomes even more inconsistent.
@@davidhong1934 I guess my victims were all having over 500 ping that's why I can't headshot em
"Yeah, that seems about right."
Top 10 questions that scientists still cant find the answer
Number 1 THE TRUCKING HITBOX OF HUnTMANT
This has a nice beat loop
This is literally the worst possible way of doing this. And it's so much more complicated than just checking hitboxes. Why?
Technically this could happen with any projectile. It's just more noticable with the lucksman since its projectiles are small, able to headshot, and don't explode
Omfg.
It hits the Colision Box, and then Finds the Closest Bodypart.
The Spaghetti knows no end
Gaben quote at the end: "Welcome to Team Fortress 2"
I love how it counts as a head shot even though he has two arrows in his shoulders
The headshots enter the head. You can tell by the sounds and the critical shots which ones are headshots and which ones are body shots. The body shots stay in the arm, that's why there are arrows there. (Pretty sure)
Am I the only one thinking those SFX could make a good beat?
I accidentally knocked a vase off a table this morning and it shattered into a zillion pieces and I said:
"Well at least it's still not as broken as TF2..."
This man: making headshots a foot off
Me: *hits them in-between the eyes and still doesn't get a headshot*
Somehow, i still always miss the head...
How bad am i supposed to be to miss with this thing?!?!
Very fair and cool and not broken!
0:15 really turned into a beat..
DUN.. Shiv krree (Reload sound)
DUN.. Shiv krree (Reload sound)
DIN.. Shiv krree (Reload sound)
DIN.. Shiv krree (Reload sound)
Note to self: If i ever encounter a Huntsman Sniper, always try to facestab it if it has the Razorback. Or just shoot it from far away after the Sniper fires it's arrow
Thank you so much. Genuinely appreciate all of these highly useful videos.
Winglets old video called "Hitboxes" or whatever makes so much more sense now after watching this video...and even in that video the hitboxes were ridiculous. he was not far off..
No wonder I've been scoring headshots unintentionally even though my aim is at most 70% miss all the time.
Hearing the quake 3 hit sound slowed down is so satisfying
Can't tell you how many times I've aimed directly for a Heavy's head, only for the arrow to warp to his revved up arm
sniper: "yeah that's seem about right"
0:56 He shot the pp
me: Aw man i hate hitscan weapons, i wish they used hitboxes on the projectiles!
hitboxes on the projectiles:
While as absurd as this may look like I honestly always thought that the head hitbox was way bigger not because of how many times I got headshotted when it shoudn't have, but rather how hard it would be to hit one if the hitbox was actually accurate. Imagine having to predict where someone was going, calculating when your arrow would travel to said location while taking arrow drop into account, and hoping that you did all of these right and it hits a 3 inch box. I do agree that its pretty wack on close range doe fr fr
On other words, call for Medic at DeGroot Keeps
for a headshot projectile, using bounding boxes is a bad idea
Bruh rip all the spy crabs at the end
imagine tf2's devs saw this video and add in a tip : don't go for gunspy when you're fighting with a huntman sniper cause hitboxes are stupid
Ah, so that's why the Huntsman is full of bullshit. I love it
Understandable, if Huntsmen uses hitboxes instead of collision hull, then it'll, in my opinion, be the worst sniper primary, because it works like the Classic, but uses a projectile and deals less damage.
Every type of this kind of video, im learning something new for a new guy like me.
Now im gonna aboose this >:)
So basically huntsman takes no skill
It takes skill to learn bullshit
Projectile wise it's more like a rocket, because it only needs to hit the bounding hitbox to register a hit and than calculate with body part is the closest.
Which is bullshit with extra steps.
And I still miss all my arrows lol.
@@marthancercal You don't say.
Iron bomber users: that's despicable! Oh wait, that's technically me.
How?
@@IAm-zo1bo hitboxes being jank
@@IAm-zo1bo wait I meant the iron bomber not the Loch and load.
??? : Kill me.
??? : Later.
They called me a madman....
This game is so broken it’s actually scary
this would be fined if it just used the hitbox instead of the fuckin collision box
They did it like this because you wouldn’t be able to hit heads at all.
Bad snipers: 😍😍😍
This spy has to be the best spy main
Things that make you say hmmm
The last was supposed to do 3000000000 damage
Thats so fking based
What network settings are needed to result in 15 lerp? I've been stuck at 30 for a while and experimenting hasn't helped. Here's their current values:
cl_cmdrate 66
cl_interp_ratio 1
cl_lagcompensation 1
cl_pred_optimize 2
cl_smooth 0
cl_smoothtime 0.01
cl_updaterate 66
net_maxcleartime 0.020346
net_maxpacketdrop 0
rate 60000
I like when the video ends
Headshoot: 170 hit
Balls shot: *∞ HIT*
“Ah, he’s going to show how big the arrows are ri-wait, WHAT?”
Oh thats why I main huntsman
This demonstrates the complete chunky mess that TF2 collisions and hitboxes are. Jeez!!
this is making me physically recoil
Good shot mate
Skill.
lmao, i thought overwatch hitboxes were stupidly big, well not that much apparently
Sometimes i ask myself, why did my arrow that i swear to god saw the tracer went into the enemy's head counts as a bodyshot, but when i shot my enemies at their crotch it becomes a headshot.
DOPAMINE!!
It's amazing that once one of the most popular multiplayer games has had an absolutely broken shitty gun model for most of its existence, jesus christ
Is it just me or are the damage sounds to the key of blackbird
so their head is pretty much a big rectangle slab. imagine how much skill you would need if this was actually realistic
For people that are confused and afraid and gathering pitchforks and torches, please continue cause this shit is ridiculous. But also read the description and realize although it’s backwards as fuck you can still reliably interpret the closest individual hitbox (the little ones that make up the body like a boxy skeleton) from where your arrow touched the bounding box (orange box in video) which is why the arrows shot to the left of the spy don’t hs, cause they technically connect to his arm since on that side of spy his arm is elevated a bit holding a gun. The arrow hs on the right of the spy because his arm was in a neutral position and the head was closer to where the arrow touched the bounding box. So at least it’s... predictable..?
Fun fact: you can't head shot a player with the huntsman if their hands are near their head since the body shot takes priority even with a clear shot to the head for whatever reason, and such it's impossible to headshot a soldier from the front of him with an arrow while his primary is out since the rocket launchers make soldier put his hands close to his head and such stops a huntsman from hitting them in the head as the game puts it. This is the rare case where the arrow having a large hitbox is a bad idea
So essentially, the huntsman projectiles go for the bounding box instead of the collision hull?
Sooooo the gun you are using, the post of your character AND the angle through which the arrow comes, influences a headshot...damn
Bro I'd see the arrow pass the left side of the screen and I still get head shotted.
I once airblasted an arrow in the sewers on 2fort that went downwards into my opponent's legs, but what confused me the most is that, it counted as a headshot.
Like. *WHAT*
Im audibly laughing at this
So using the huntsman is basically swaping your tf2 hit registration for paladins hit registration.
I love how it cuts off
So it -is- absolutely broken, sweet.
so this is how the lucksman works...too bad i never have that luck lmao...or maybe that's just me being bad
Everyone did die cuz of 5 inches away to headshot you.
Hitbox is thicc
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i think the reason why it hit the head when firing at the spy's left elbow is because the Arrow have a giant Hitbox and it collide with the head hitbox first, therefore it register as a headshot.
The spy's head hitbox seems to move depending on whatever weapon he's holding, when you fire at his head from behind, it instead register as his right arm means that his right arm's hitbox moved behind slightly enough for the arrow to collide with first.
i love channels like this. sigsev type beat. can't stand shounic though
I have +4000 hours in Tf2 and this game really stupid.
From what i can see in this vid alone
The arrow, if it hits the basic projectile hitbox, will then trace a line to the closest body part, whichever is the closest it uses as the final result
Saying it like that it makes sense, and it probably did while coding, but due to the fact that it starts from the first point where the arrow hits the hitbox, it means that the arrow COULD have hit the head, but since the hand was closer to the beggining of the hitbox, its hit instead
So its probably possible to use a gesture that puts a hand or something out in front to cause the arrow to hit that over the head
Maybe the game engine makes it hard for valve to improve it but idk any about programing :/