Very similar experience with AMD for me as well. I was getting these horrendous gray screen crashes, and no matter what I did in terms of troubleshooting and applying "fixes" it was still unstable. People tried to gaslight me on the AMD community forums that the issue is my RAM or my Motherboard, or my chipset drivers, but the moment I got a 4080 SUper to replace my 6950XT my computer became 100% stable without even reinstalling windows. I was rooting for the underdog but they burned me with a 1000$ GPU. And for those reasons I'm out.
@@A2Zireael And the few people that actually agree that it is the GPU can't understand that you can't really RMA it because most vendors say its a "software" issue.
I just switched from the 4080 to the 7900xtx a few days ago got an xfx black merc for $869 and I am beyond happy with it. I been having fun tweaking and tuning it for performance. It's nice to not have the whole system crash whenever the settings aren't optimal, it just runs slightly less performant, and I can go right back in and change it.
@@TheGizmoGarage Well you are looking at ~USD300-350 difference in today's prices between the cards. For OW2 issue, I think there must me some issue with your card/system. I have seen people with lesser (6600xt/7800xt) or more powerful (XTX) that don't get the issues you are facing. If your problem is with microstuttering, found this in another thread. "if Overwatch still has the microstuttering/shader caching issues on AMD GPU's using the AFMF2 preview drivers. Spoilers: the issue is still there, keep an eye on the micro stutter% metric and frame time graph in the overlay to see how the game stutters whenever there is a new hero, or when I spawn as a new hero. I played in the mystery heroes game mode to show this since heroes swap a lot and you get the micro stuttering all the time until all the heroes will get cached. Specs: GPU: AMD RX 7900 XTX Asus TUF OC (-10PL at 2400mhz clock) CPU: 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-13600KF Memory: 32 GB DDR4 RAM (31.84 GB RAM usable) AMD or Overwatch devs need to fix it. You can't really solve it, but you can mitigate it a bit by launching the game and joining a custom game with a lot of players and just spectate for maybe 5-10 minutes. Keep an eye on your CPU usage, it should drop once the shaders are cached and hopefully the game should be smooth after that." Well maybe this is not an issue now that you have the 4080super, or is it?"
You mean the deep dive review they did and showed that in Fusion even the 7800 XT performs better than a 4090? If you just render (encode, decode at 4k) video the 7900 XT was only 3% behind the 4090? He did one 5 months ago and he didn't have any issues because he used DDU to uninstall NV drivers (he learned from his first review when he didn't use DDU and thought you can just uninstall NV drivers - never works because NV doesn't nuke all their drivers when they uninstall it - not sure if this is on purpose by NV).
@@pkpnyt4711 All said issues were reflected in their driver patch notes so I don't think DDU was the cause. They "attempted" to fix things but in the end, they were still not fixed.
@@TheGizmoGarage the fix didn't work for you because your drivers were not optimal and your system wasn't clean (due to GPU drivers not being properly uninstalled and/ or not having a clean windows install). Most reviewers will do a clean install and/or use DDU when using new GPUs to test and 99% of the won't encounter an issue and things run smoothly. Not harping on you, but moving forward you need to learn to use DDU. EDIT: Lastly, The reason you don't have issues with NV cards is because that was the first driver you installed on your windows build and it retained it's old settings from your previous uninstall.
I have had a Powercolor reference model 7900XT about a year and a half now. Turning off the Ultra Low Power State fixes most of the issues including the monitor not waking up. I have seen that issue with the 6000 series cards as well. It also seems like only certain driver versions have that issue though. I might go back to Nvidia in the future.
Good video. I bought that exact same 4080 Super last month. I replaced a 3090 in my office pc. It runs SO much cooler than my 3090 did. The temperature in my office went down by 4C. I was going to buy a 4070ti Super but that 4080 Super was on sale for $300 off and that made it less than $100 more than the 3070ti Super that I was looking at. (I have a 4090 in my gaming pc.)
When my Power Color Hellhound 7900xtx arrived it was really awful from day 1, crash, crash, crash. A few weeks later I had an unrelated issue that required a fresh OS re-install of windows 10. Since the new OS install the 7900xtx has been flawless in daily editing with Davinci Studio 18 and 19. I’m actually very happy with it.
Was that a fresh windows install or was that a GPU upgrade into 7900xt. I jsut bought it a few days ago. I don't play overwatch 2 but will try CS2. Tried furmark and diablo iV yestarday. I switched from Rx580. The transition went smoothly, but I made sure to use DDU and stuff. Feel sorry for your experience. Davinci probably was written with CUDA primarily, if it's your tool for work, of course take nvidia. It's my third AMD card and it's always been smooth sailing for me.
Not a fresh install, but then the upgrade to 4080 was also not fresh install. Dropped frame issue was only happening on OW2 sadly it’s the only game I play. If you play other games I think it’s fine.
@@TheGizmoGarageactually got the same issue with my rx 6900 xt before i sold it cause my mobo went nuts. The issue was actually caused by my monitor as it was not supported by freesync. The fix was to either lower the monitors framerate by 2 ex. 144 to 142 and it will be fixed
@@TheGizmoGarageWas playing dota 2 for that and it was the only game that was having the frame drops issue, one fix was also disabling the freesync on radeon settings. Another is making sure that the waiting for sync is placed to always on
I've bought and sold multiple rx 6900 xt's, rx 6950xt's and i have always had crashes and bugs during games. Amd gpu's have the best price to performance, but i have never had any issues with any Nvidia gpu's. I had a rtx 3080ti for 2 years before i got my 4090 and neither gave/give me any issues.
I have my new Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX Nitro+ over a month now. I also play a lot of overwatch 2 and I luckily had no problems yet. Also my card never gets over 68 degrees Celsius, while being at default settings, even when at 100% while playing Cyberpunk for example. Maybe you "just" had a bad card, but still sad to see you having so many problems. I hope your new graphics card doesn't makes you problems like the old one.
I think this guy's GPU was just broken. Sounds like paste pump out. I have the exact same model and hotspot doesn't go over 61oc when hammering it with overclock. Id crash to at 90oc extended use lol. If he's smart Hel open the 7900xt and repaste and resell
@@bumblefoot5 I know it doesn't go over 61, I'm setting the temp to be below 50 using custom fan settings, the problem is the driver crash and the custom fan setting automatically gets reset.
@@TheGizmoGarage didn't you just say 90oc??? The custom fan settings you do game by game and save. Same with applications. Why are you making a one setting fits all? Also why 50oc? Card doesn't even throttle till near 100oc no? Other than video editing your issue seems to be user error and false expectations.
@@bumblefoot5 Yes, exactly. You're applying your own opinion as a universal standard. The settings are personal preferences, not absolute facts, and my video represents my individual perspective, not the ultimate truth.
Did you try the card in a different system? Making sure it’s not a compatibility issue? You could literally build a whole system around it for the cost of 4080 .
At one point I wanted a new GPU for gaming, and I went from the 3060 ti to the 6950xt then the 7900xtx. The 7900xtx had the same issue in Overwatch you described and bothered me quite a bit. There were also a couple of times where I had a black screen display issue due to wallpaper engine I believe. I exchanged my 7900xtx for a 4080 and have been happy. At the higher end with same price point, I don't see any reason to go 7900xtx unless you value ONLY raster gaming and play primarily DX12 games.
Maybe your custom settings were wrong? The video card could not wake up due to incorrect UV. Meanwhile i heard a lot of issues from 4090 owners. Including FPS drop during streaming as example or driver crash. I had issues on my old RX 570 and a few on my current RX 6650 XT, but i wouldn't support nvidia at this point. Also, if you would play OW2 competitive, you wouldn't play in 4K resolution.
Some people know how to use a video card everyone else buys a nvidia. Usually the problem is with system file corruption. I recently bought a 4070 TI Super just for the ray tracing.
I have the merc it barely heats up with a heavy overclock. £620. Was a bargain. So far ive no issues after 2 months. Not sure about video editing though. Nvidia probably better. Overwatch 2 btw ... Get some apex legends going. 240Fps locked without competitive settings. I will say however game specific is a thing. Example is cod. AMD will always perform better in cod than nvidia. Even bo6 you can run most settings on high and still hit 180-250 fps in multi. 90oc?? How on earth... I can run this at 2800mhz at +15% topping out the max power. Max temp ive had at 1400rpm was 61oc. Sounds like your card needed a repaste. Sounds like the classic pump out. A repaste might have worked. How is your hot spot 90oc that's bonkers.😮
you should of showed us on the screen all your problems with the 7900xt instead of saying it. just little examples. i was going to get an amd gpu one day.
I had some videos prior documenting fix for some of the issues with early driver release, responses were immense, they didn’t fully test their driver at all. ruclips.net/video/2nxUIqnNwtU/видео.htmlsi=AXdCtEgdNA3E8myZ
The issue with Overwatch is universal to all amd gpus starting with 5000 series, and sems like they dont bother fixing it cuz it has been for at least a year already. I personally had my rx 5700 xt for only 2 weeks, and during those 2 weeks i had more issues and driver crashes than in my entire life time with Nvidia GPUs. Never coming back to amd gpus.
Bro chose one of the worst AMD GPUs for example. The problems of the 5700/5700xt are known, even unboxed ardware and Jay have broken their teeth over it. Personally, I still have my 5700 msi in my PC and no problems. I just know that on certain games (Metro, Forza Horizon 5, American truck simulator, etc.) the devs certainly forgot a few numbers or letters during coding for AMD
I have both the 7900XTX and the RTX 4080 Super. And I never experience framerate issues in Overwatch 2 in either of these cards. I did encounter the driver crashes with my "first" 7900 XTX until it died. It turns out, the card I originally received was defective. I had it RMA'd and replaced and I never encountered the crashes anymore. The only issue I encountered later was the thermal throttling after a few months because the thermal paste got "pumped out". I replaced the paste with a Honeywell PTM7950 and I never encountered the issue again.
So...Not a fresh install of Windows, didn't use DDU to completely remove NV drivers you used in the past, and then you complain about AMD drivers. NV have been doing this for years not completely nuking or removing drivers when you uninstall it, so the old I "uninstalled " my NV drives never works cleanly. That's the first and noob mistake you made. This is most probably the root cause why you have so many issues with Da Vinci and gaming. EDIT: Lastly, on Windows, the difference between the free and paid version of Resolve, is the GPU hardware support. You simply can't export a h.265 video with hardware acceleration if you have the free version. Upgrading to Studio is a massive jump (from free). I used the free one until I learned the basics then I spent the money for the Studio version.
Thank you for your input. Just stating my personal experience, not everyone upgrading their 5+-year-old video card knows to run something called DDU after unplugging the old card and uninstalling the old driver. I expected more from AMD driver development team. The Davinci Resolve Studio was the paid version.
@@TheGizmoGarage The NV drivers not uninstalling properly isn't AMDs fault. NV have been doing this for so long people forget that NV are the ones that should improve their uninstall process. This is the root cause for any GPU issue (whether AMD or Intel) after using an NV GPU. NV have turned a blind eye to this for more than a decade now. As I mentioned the conflicting drivers in your WIN install is 99% the cause for your Da Vinci issues.
my bro said ATI
he b livin in da golden age
yes LOL!!!
Very similar experience with AMD for me as well. I was getting these horrendous gray screen crashes, and no matter what I did in terms of troubleshooting and applying "fixes" it was still unstable. People tried to gaslight me on the AMD community forums that the issue is my RAM or my Motherboard, or my chipset drivers, but the moment I got a 4080 SUper to replace my 6950XT my computer became 100% stable without even reinstalling windows. I was rooting for the underdog but they burned me with a 1000$ GPU. And for those reasons I'm out.
Average experience of trying to report a problem in the AMD community, problem is with everything except the AMD GPU.
@@A2Zireael And the few people that actually agree that it is the GPU can't understand that you can't really RMA it because most vendors say its a "software" issue.
I just switched from the 4080 to the 7900xtx a few days ago got an xfx black merc for $869 and I am beyond happy with it. I been having fun tweaking and tuning it for performance. It's nice to not have the whole system crash whenever the settings aren't optimal, it just runs slightly less performant, and I can go right back in and change it.
If you watched the tech notice review regarding the issue between Amd GPU and Davinvi resolve, could have avoided 5mths of frustration.
I even tried to fix it. Using workarounds for 5 months and now with 4080 Super, no more complain.
@@TheGizmoGarage Well you are looking at ~USD300-350 difference in today's prices between the cards. For OW2 issue, I think there must me some issue with your card/system. I have seen people with lesser (6600xt/7800xt) or more powerful (XTX) that don't get the issues you are facing.
If your problem is with microstuttering, found this in another thread.
"if Overwatch still has the microstuttering/shader caching issues on AMD GPU's using the AFMF2 preview drivers. Spoilers: the issue is still there, keep an eye on the micro stutter% metric and frame time graph in the overlay to see how the game stutters whenever there is a new hero, or when I spawn as a new hero. I played in the mystery heroes game mode to show this since heroes swap a lot and you get the micro stuttering all the time until all the heroes will get cached.
Specs:
GPU: AMD RX 7900 XTX Asus TUF OC (-10PL at 2400mhz clock)
CPU: 13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-13600KF
Memory: 32 GB DDR4 RAM (31.84 GB RAM usable)
AMD or Overwatch devs need to fix it. You can't really solve it, but you can mitigate it a bit by launching the game and joining a custom game with a lot of players and just spectate for maybe 5-10 minutes. Keep an eye on your CPU usage, it should drop once the shaders are cached and hopefully the game should be smooth after that."
Well maybe this is not an issue now that you have the 4080super, or is it?"
You mean the deep dive review they did and showed that in Fusion even the 7800 XT performs better than a 4090? If you just render (encode, decode at 4k) video the 7900 XT was only 3% behind the 4090? He did one 5 months ago and he didn't have any issues because he used DDU to uninstall NV drivers (he learned from his first review when he didn't use DDU and thought you can just uninstall NV drivers - never works because NV doesn't nuke all their drivers when they uninstall it - not sure if this is on purpose by NV).
@@pkpnyt4711 All said issues were reflected in their driver patch notes so I don't think DDU was the cause. They "attempted" to fix things but in the end, they were still not fixed.
@@TheGizmoGarage the fix didn't work for you because your drivers were not optimal and your system wasn't clean (due to GPU drivers not being properly uninstalled and/ or not having a clean windows install). Most reviewers will do a clean install and/or use DDU when using new GPUs to test and 99% of the won't encounter an issue and things run smoothly. Not harping on you, but moving forward you need to learn to use DDU.
EDIT: Lastly, The reason you don't have issues with NV cards is because that was the first driver you installed on your windows build and it retained it's old settings from your previous uninstall.
I have had a Powercolor reference model 7900XT about a year and a half now. Turning off the Ultra Low Power State fixes most of the issues including the monitor not waking up. I have seen that issue with the 6000 series cards as well. It also seems like only certain driver versions have that issue though. I might go back to Nvidia in the future.
Good video. I bought that exact same 4080 Super last month. I replaced a 3090 in my office pc. It runs SO much cooler than my 3090 did. The temperature in my office went down by 4C.
I was going to buy a 4070ti Super but that 4080 Super was on sale for $300 off and that made it less than $100 more than the 3070ti Super that I was looking at. (I have a 4090 in my gaming pc.)
Good to hear!
When my Power Color Hellhound 7900xtx arrived it was really awful from day 1, crash, crash, crash. A few weeks later I had an unrelated issue that required a fresh OS re-install of windows 10. Since the new OS install the 7900xtx has been flawless in daily editing with Davinci Studio 18 and 19. I’m actually very happy with it.
Thank you for sharing your experience!
Was that a fresh windows install or was that a GPU upgrade into 7900xt. I jsut bought it a few days ago. I don't play overwatch 2 but will try CS2. Tried furmark and diablo iV yestarday. I switched from Rx580. The transition went smoothly, but I made sure to use DDU and stuff.
Feel sorry for your experience. Davinci probably was written with CUDA primarily, if it's your tool for work, of course take nvidia. It's my third AMD card and it's always been smooth sailing for me.
Not a fresh install, but then the upgrade to 4080 was also not fresh install. Dropped frame issue was only happening on OW2 sadly it’s the only game I play. If you play other games I think it’s fine.
@@TheGizmoGarageactually got the same issue with my rx 6900 xt before i sold it cause my mobo went nuts. The issue was actually caused by my monitor as it was not supported by freesync. The fix was to either lower the monitors framerate by 2 ex. 144 to 142 and it will be fixed
@@TheGizmoGarageWas playing dota 2 for that and it was the only game that was having the frame drops issue, one fix was also disabling the freesync on radeon settings. Another is making sure that the waiting for sync is placed to always on
I've bought and sold multiple rx 6900 xt's, rx 6950xt's and i have always had crashes and bugs during games. Amd gpu's have the best price to performance, but i have never had any issues with any Nvidia gpu's. I had a rtx 3080ti for 2 years before i got my 4090 and neither gave/give me any issues.
I have my new Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XTX Nitro+ over a month now. I also play a lot of overwatch 2 and I luckily had no problems yet. Also my card never gets over 68 degrees Celsius, while being at default settings, even when at 100% while playing Cyberpunk for example. Maybe you "just" had a bad card, but still sad to see you having so many problems. I hope your new graphics card doesn't makes you problems like the old one.
Glad to hear your Sapphire card works great. Are you running Sapphire's inhouse driver or the AMD default ones?
I think this guy's GPU was just broken. Sounds like paste pump out. I have the exact same model and hotspot doesn't go over 61oc when hammering it with overclock. Id crash to at 90oc extended use lol. If he's smart Hel open the 7900xt and repaste and resell
@@bumblefoot5 I know it doesn't go over 61, I'm setting the temp to be below 50 using custom fan settings, the problem is the driver crash and the custom fan setting automatically gets reset.
@@TheGizmoGarage didn't you just say 90oc??? The custom fan settings you do game by game and save. Same with applications. Why are you making a one setting fits all? Also why 50oc? Card doesn't even throttle till near 100oc no? Other than video editing your issue seems to be user error and false expectations.
@@bumblefoot5 Yes, exactly. You're applying your own opinion as a universal standard. The settings are personal preferences, not absolute facts, and my video represents my individual perspective, not the ultimate truth.
Sounds like your having overheating issues, which is manifesting with different issues what are your overall specs?
My first take is that you have an unstable system or a faulty AMd GPU.
Did you try the card in a different system? Making sure it’s not a compatibility issue? You could literally build a whole system around it for the cost of 4080 .
They are costly for sure no one likes the price. Likely I can deduct it from my business expense rather than building a new system around 7900
I'm shocked people are over looking 4060 16gb
At one point I wanted a new GPU for gaming, and I went from the 3060 ti to the 6950xt then the 7900xtx. The 7900xtx had the same issue in Overwatch you described and bothered me quite a bit. There were also a couple of times where I had a black screen display issue due to wallpaper engine I believe. I exchanged my 7900xtx for a 4080 and have been happy. At the higher end with same price point, I don't see any reason to go 7900xtx unless you value ONLY raster gaming and play primarily DX12 games.
Maybe your custom settings were wrong? The video card could not wake up due to incorrect UV.
Meanwhile i heard a lot of issues from 4090 owners. Including FPS drop during streaming as example or driver crash.
I had issues on my old RX 570 and a few on my current RX 6650 XT, but i wouldn't support nvidia at this point.
Also, if you would play OW2 competitive, you wouldn't play in 4K resolution.
19:30 MSI did... Nvidia made GPU only.
Looks like there are issues from both camps... But in my instance, the 4080 Super definitely eliminated my headache!
@@TheGizmoGarage congrats with switch then. Maybe 7000 series are actually worse in terms of stability.
are those 4090 issues in the room with us right now?
@@D71Gaming I wonder too since I only have a 4080 Super that doesn't draw as much power & heat.
You called it an ATI... old habits die hard.
Some people know how to use a video card everyone else buys a nvidia. Usually the problem is with system file corruption. I recently bought a 4070 TI Super just for the ray tracing.
???????? no install the sag bracket???
ATI?! You don't hear that name very often anymore.
True!
didnt the game cube have ati
750w psu?
FPS issue in ow2 sounds really weird Maybe the card is defective?
Nope it was listed as an issue in their driver update, later versions claim they “fixed” the issue but it was never fixed
I was sick of Nvidia so I got a 7900 XT NITRO PLUS. Sensational card.😂
Hey, whatever works for each of us, right? Congrats.
Have you sold your 7900 XT card already? Let me know if its still available.
I have the merc it barely heats up with a heavy overclock. £620. Was a bargain. So far ive no issues after 2 months. Not sure about video editing though. Nvidia probably better.
Overwatch 2 btw ... Get some apex legends going. 240Fps locked without competitive settings. I will say however game specific is a thing. Example is cod. AMD will always perform better in cod than nvidia. Even bo6 you can run most settings on high and still hit 180-250 fps in multi. 90oc??
How on earth... I can run this at 2800mhz at +15% topping out the max power. Max temp ive had at 1400rpm was 61oc. Sounds like your card needed a repaste. Sounds like the classic pump out. A repaste might have worked. How is your hot spot 90oc that's bonkers.😮
what was wrong with it?
Driver compatibility issues, and problem with driver crash & settings reset.
1089$ for a graphic card is crazy
The XFX box packaging look is horrible. It makes the card look like it will always have problems. The ASUS TUF version looks the best.
😅😂😂 So ...Asus has its share of problems
XFX is best known for having super cooling ...
don't look at the box, but the contents, it's good material 😉
buy 4080 super to just play overwatch is crime
It is... 90% video editing though.
Nice content! 😁
Yea sadly you need a card thats over $900 for 4k gaming.
Incidentally the booming of AI caused the price increase of Nvidia cards.
Thank you! Same exact situation as you. AMD CPU trash as well
It's true that it's better to have an Intel CPU....
you should of showed us on the screen all your problems with the 7900xt instead of saying it. just little examples. i was going to get an amd gpu one day.
I had some videos prior documenting fix for some of the issues with early driver release, responses were immense, they didn’t fully test their driver at all. ruclips.net/video/2nxUIqnNwtU/видео.htmlsi=AXdCtEgdNA3E8myZ
The issue with Overwatch is universal to all amd gpus starting with 5000 series, and sems like they dont bother fixing it cuz it has been for at least a year already. I personally had my rx 5700 xt for only 2 weeks, and during those 2 weeks i had more issues and driver crashes than in my entire life time with Nvidia GPUs. Never coming back to amd gpus.
Bro chose one of the worst AMD GPUs for example.
The problems of the 5700/5700xt are known, even unboxed ardware and Jay have broken their teeth over it.
Personally, I still have my 5700 msi in my PC and no problems.
I just know that on certain games (Metro, Forza Horizon 5, American truck simulator, etc.) the devs certainly forgot a few numbers or letters during coding for AMD
LOL, you said ATI.
Wooow....your PC is like a sauna inside
You need a new pc case asap....you need ventilation ...😂😂😂 ...let that mother board and the GPU breath...
I have both the 7900XTX and the RTX 4080 Super. And I never experience framerate issues in Overwatch 2 in either of these cards.
I did encounter the driver crashes with my "first" 7900 XTX until it died. It turns out, the card I originally received was defective. I had it RMA'd and replaced and I never encountered the crashes anymore. The only issue I encountered later was the thermal throttling after a few months because the thermal paste got "pumped out". I replaced the paste with a Honeywell PTM7950 and I never encountered the issue again.
That is good to know. Could be possible there are compatibility with my rather old AMD 3950 Processor & Motherboard combo.
you made the right choice
So...Not a fresh install of Windows, didn't use DDU to completely remove NV drivers you used in the past, and then you complain about AMD drivers. NV have been doing this for years not completely nuking or removing drivers when you uninstall it, so the old I "uninstalled " my NV drives never works cleanly. That's the first and noob mistake you made. This is most probably the root cause why you have so many issues with Da Vinci and gaming.
EDIT: Lastly, on Windows, the difference between the free and paid version of Resolve, is the GPU hardware support. You simply can't export a h.265 video with hardware acceleration if you have the free version. Upgrading to Studio is a massive jump (from free). I used the free one until I learned the basics then I spent the money for the Studio version.
Thank you for your input. Just stating my personal experience, not everyone upgrading their 5+-year-old video card knows to run something called DDU after unplugging the old card and uninstalling the old driver. I expected more from AMD driver development team. The Davinci Resolve Studio was the paid version.
@@TheGizmoGarage The NV drivers not uninstalling properly isn't AMDs fault. NV have been doing this for so long people forget that NV are the ones that should improve their uninstall process. This is the root cause for any GPU issue (whether AMD or Intel) after using an NV GPU. NV have turned a blind eye to this for more than a decade now. As I mentioned the conflicting drivers in your WIN install is 99% the cause for your Da Vinci issues.