Batman's Broken Reflection: The Phantasm | Mask of the Phantasm 30th Anniversary
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- In this video I take a look at the titular villain from Batman Mask of the Phantasm, and highlight how they are a broken reflection of Batman. This video will contain spoilers for the film, so don't watch it if you don't want to have the identity of the Phantasm spoiled!
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction & Spoiler Warning
00:56 Controversial Origins
3:22 Phantasm Overview
7:14 What Phantasm Tells Us About Batman
14:32 Phantasm's Other Appearances
18:32 Conclusion
19:03 Next Time
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A Mask of the Phantasm review and pervious Mr. Freeze episode. You get it.
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Alfred perfectly sumed up Andrea as he was patching Bruce up in the final scene - she had fallen into the abyss of vengeance years ago and no one, not even Bruce, could have pulled her back from it. God the writing on Phantasm was deep!
Such a wonderful speech. I wanted to include it in the video, but it’s too long for RUclips’s fair use policy!
@@SerumLake Never mind - this was still a really good essay :)
Hmm, what's the fair use timer limitation, good sir?
seems to be about 14 seconds, but it's slightly more complicated than that. You can't post 14 seconds, skip a few seconds, then post another 14 seconds from the same sequence. There needs to be a significant gap between each clip.
its also one of the few times Alfred simply refers to Bruce... as Bruce
The biggest tragedy of Mask of the Phantasm for me; I was the only person in the theater other than my parents.
Side Note: I can’t help but think Andrea is the reason we got Dana Delany as Louis Lane.
I wish I got the chance to see it in theaters...
You are correct. They enjoyed her performance/working with her.
I saw it in theaters as well, it was a bit fuller than your situation but not by much
"I may not relate to Andrea Beaumont, but i understand her" - perfect conclusion.
This is my all-time favorite Batman movie. I enjoy it on multiple levels, including how it delves into a romantic relationship in a way that none of the other Batman movies (animated or live-action) has. The Andrea Beaumont/Phantasm character is fantastic, and I really enjoyed this deep dive.
Glad to hear it, and thanks for joining the channel!
I love this movie! My favorite scene is where Bruce apologizes to his parents for being happy. He felt guilty for it and it always breaks my heart to hear him. I love Andrea and Bruce's chemistry and it's so sad how they can't really be together.
Agree, what a wonderful scene. I’ll talk a little more about that in Monday’s video!
Yeah, imagine the degree of psychological trauma a person has to have to apologize to the "phantasm" of their parents for being *happy* . The number two thing most parents want their children to be after *safe* . About 20 years after this movie came out I showed it to a girl I was dating, who was a Batman fan but had happened to miss it growing up. Her jaw dropped at that scene.
I got the double sided disc of mask and subzero from the gas station dvd bin as a little kid and it still works to this day. The greatest Batman film of all time
You won’t hear any arguments from me
Must be some well made disk to last that long.
Really sucks that people at present just like Andrea think Batman's crusade is vengeance for himself and his parents deaths, instead of the critical difference that he does it so others don't have to suffer the same fate.
Even I was slow to catch up on that detail when I first watched Phantasm, all this time I took it to be as a warning that Batman could stray into the same territory if he wasn't careful, when the fact of the matter was at least in this era Batman was indeed someone that had great empathy for others, even the criminals that genuinely tried to break their ways, it was only later on when he became jaded of criminal reforms that made conflicts between him and his protegees like Terry or Dick.
for the most part, it is the problem which people only know Batman through movie and the popular Arkham's game trilogy instead of the comic or animated series, so you always get those "Batman should just kill his villains!" or "Batman didn't do anything to help Gotham even though he has the money"
While people growth up with Batman animated series just sad those movies and games don't bother try to explore the side of Batman who care.
I've always preferred the idea Bruce knows who Joe Chill is but has chosen to move on from him, more from personal bias, my parents were never murdered in front of me but I've had a Joe Chill like figure in my life, someone who through violence effected my development in a negative light, who I wanted revenge against, and growing up as a kid the idea that Batman wouldn't seek vengeance but instead justice and self-healing always helped me.
I’m glad this movie was released theatrically, so even when asked what my favorite movie Batman and Joker are, I can answer with Kevin and Mark
I’m the same way. The amount of dumbfounded expressions I get from people when they ask who I think the best cinematic Batman is… Shameful!
The Jake Chill stuff does seem kinda meh. What makes Terry being Batman so good is that he IS able to avenge his father directly and still decides to continue as Batman. The same goes for when he takes out Powers. He’s come full circle, there’s no need to be Batman anymore be he does because he knows the world needs Batman. To then say “Oh actually someone ELSE killed your parents” does nothing to enhance his story.
Agreed!
Andrea is (in my opinion) the most underrated character in the entire DCAU and, by extension, any animated media, I never watched batman when I was a kid, nor was it in to him, I was pretty in animals ( extinct or alive) but i started to see why batman (from batman the animated series) is such a great character/superhero
It’s such a shame that Batman Adventures got cancelled before they could finish off Andrea’s story…
Yeah real shame
@@SerumLakeTrue.
Andrea is my favorite too
@@SerumLakeAt least we got a follow up with her character in the JLU episode Epilogue and the Batman Beyond comics.
Mask of The Phantasm is not only my favorite Batman film, and not only my favorite superhero film, it's one of my favorite films of all time, animation and live-action.
This film is still a prime example of how animation can be just as good, if not more so, than live-action when it comes to storytelling.
A pure masterpiece of cinema.
I think the only thing that could’ve improved it is a slightly longer run time. The film moves at a lightning pace, with no wasted moments. It would’ve been nice to have a little breathing room
Maybe a little breathing room would've been fine, but I still think the film's pacing is perfect. Sometimes, I forget it's only 73 minutes without credits and am still amazed with how much depth it has, even compared to most 90 minute or 2 hour films. Thanks for the reply.@@SerumLake
Not only the best Batman movie, but possibly the best Super hero movie of all time IMO. her story is understandable, and heartbreaking. It hits Bruce/Batman in so many ways. The ending is just exactly what it needed to be. And AB/BW is much better than the Bat/Cat nonsense later on. But i also think a reunion would've been a tough write as it was. So maybe we're better off with the worse option? Idk, that complexity is what her so good IMO.
I can get behind this being the best superhero film.
@@SerumLakeI can get behind this being the best Batman movie of all time.
I grew up watching this and Sub-Zero, that it felt like fever dreams when the Phantasm returned. I do love the design and moral Conflicts between the two.
Man I hope we get the phantasm again
If only DC would let Ty Templeton and Dan Slott finish off their Batman Adventures storyline with Phantasm and The Red Hood. Sigh.
Still love the fact that Kenner action figure spoiled the identity of the Phantasm before the movie released😂
That made me figuratively foam at the mouth, back in the day (Almost as much as Batman Beyond being renamed Batman of the Future in Europe…)
@@SerumLakePlease correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it currently advertised as "Batman Beyond" in the UK despite having been rebranded "Batman of the Future" outside North America at the turn of the century, including throughout Europe? Still love rewatching those DBZ/Batman of the Future Toonami promos from back in the day, though.
@@VALonRUclips you’re right, they’ve corrected that travesty
I don't know, "Batman of the Future" still sounds schway as heck, and is loads better than "Beasties" for Beast Wars: Transformers in Canada.
@@SerumLake Thank you. 🙂 Happy Holidays.
After being treated to your essay about Mr. Freeze earlier this month -- which I love, by the way -- we're now rewarded with your own analysis of The Phantasm just as her movie is about to celebrate 30 years on Christmas Day. I loved all 20+ minutes of this new video and would like to thank you so much for referencing her future in the DCAU, including the underrated Batman Adventures tie-in comic that only lasted for 17 issues. I can't wait to see the special video you have in store this Christmas honoring the 30th anniversary of what is still to this day the BEST Batman movie ever made in my humble opinion. 🤩 Thank you again for all the great content you keep putting out.
All due respect to the live action stuff which have had its share of ups and down but they do have their classics, the two Tim Burton movies and the Nolan trilogy come to mind but there is no Batman movie that has been able to top the epicness quite like Mask Of The Phantasm. 30 years later, I still say that it's the greatest DC movie ever made in any media
Right, they all have their place, but Mask of the Phantasm’s place is atop the pile!
@@SerumLake you know it! 💯
There is the Under the Red Hood film, for one.
Under The Red Hood is definitely up there and it's in my top 3
I'm not sure how an unpopular opinion this is, but I think Andrea Beaumont is a better love interest than Rachel Dawes in the Dark Knight.
I agree!
Sometimes I think I'm genuinely the ONLY person who likes Rachel and feels she's a good character. But comparing her to Andrea? That's not even fair. It's like comparing an Oasis cover band to the Beatles.
@CapnAlces I hear people either love or hate her. I'm more on the latter, but if you like her that's fine.
Heh, why pick Oasis?
@@michaelandreipalon359 There's a long-standing joke that Oasis tried to knock off the Beatles. I don't really think it's fair, but that's the bit.
I think it would have been more powerful if Bruce just never saw Andrea again after the phantasm movie. Her leaving her locket behind for him spoke volumes. They can remember what they had with each other, but they can never recapture it because they simply aren’t those people anymore.
I also agree that Batman shouldn’t know who killed his parents, because once Chill is caught and sent to jail, then psychologically, Bruce’s mission is complete.
He’s not like Nightwing or Terry who fight crime solely for the purpose of helping people. For Bruce, there’s no real happiness outside of the suit. Batman Beyond demonstrates this beautifully. When he quit being Batman at the beginning of the series, did he attempt to build something new for himself, like a family or even just a new relationship? No. Not at all. He simply became a recluse, locking himself away in his mansion.
If Terry hadn’t entered his life when he did, Bruce probably would died all alone at some point, and no one would know for god only knows how long.
I suppose the good thing about the tie-in comics is that you can ignore them and it doesn't make much of a difference. I was just listening to an interview with Dan Riba and Kevin Altieri where they said that, in their minds, Andrea retired the Phantasm identity at the end of the movie and never returned to Gotham.
Ahhhh yeaaaa peak childhood for me. Thank you for this.
You're welcome, hope you enjoy it!
Joker: Chaos
Two Face: Duellity
Riddler: Genius
Penguin: Class
Catwoman: Grey Morality
Poison Ivy: Obsession
Mr. Freeze: Vengeance
Scarecrow: Fear
Ras Al Ghul: Justice
Phantasm: Tragedy
Clayface: Vanity
Baby Doll : Lost Childhood
Killer Croc : Monstruosity
Too bad Andrea didn’t show up in Batman: Noel, would have been spectacular to see Lee Bermejo draw her.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Mr. Lake!
17:28 Chill's grandson being the one to kill Terry's dad instead of Mr Fixx on Derek Powers's orders is as bad as the "Terry is actually Bruce's son" retcon.
True
13:23 I've never liked that excuse because Joker had become even worse than when he was Valestra's hitman and killed Carl.
Yeah its just in-story rationalization for joker immunity.
The moment I saw this I got excited. Still my favorite Batman film ever and I remember seeing her pop up in JLU when it was airing and lost my mind seeing her again in the future
I was speechless the first time I saw her show up in Epilogue. 😲
Given the costume styling and penchant for theatrically frightening people before murdering them the phantasm kinda reminds me of ghostface of scream although theyre obviously distinctly seperated by 3 years or so
love that closing music
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@@SerumLake🤔 From the emoji you employed, I guess you're referring to Tia Carrere's "I Never Even Told You" rather than Shirley Walker's "Batman's Destiny".
8:45 I think it's better when Bruce either doesn't know who killed his parents or when Joe Chill's just a common mugger because Bruce trying to stop as much crime as he can fits more than a selfish vengeful quest to find one particular criminal.
Regarding the Phantasm's official comic debut, while I didn't terribly enjoy it, I do think that the art managed to do justice to the character but I don't think that the same goes for Andrea outside of the suit. I appreciate a lot of Clay Mann's art but I think he really oversexualizes female characters and I didn't really care for the way he draws women's faces.
As an aside, I have yet to see evidence that proves that Clay Mann isn’t just a pseudonym for Clayface.
The greatest flaw of this film was it's release date being Christmas.
At least it gives us an excuse to rewatch it over Christmas
I'd be happy to let this join the list of technically-a-Christmas-movie classics.
Gremlins, Die Hard... Batman: Mask of the Phantasm!
Don't forget The Nightmare Before Christmas, boyos!
I like the first character design in that concept art for the Phantasma
Thank you for all your hard work.
No, no, thank you for your support! I wouldn't keep doing it if nobody watched
This was a superb video! I appreciate the production background and story lore you've dug up. The Phantasm was definitely one of the most "human" villains of the Batman animated genre. Keep your high quality going.
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As a kid I always wondered how the Phantasm pulled off the magic smoke disappearing act. She even did it with the Joker at the end.
I have always thought that Batman's love life has always been one of if not the least interesting thing about him as a character but ever since I saw this movie as a kid I can say without question, give me Andrea Beaumont over the same annoying Bat Cat cliché (hated when they actually started referring to each other like that) and and a "forbidden" love with an assassin. Obviously there is more than those two but Talia and Catwoman are arguably the most prevalent.
I think the movie implies that Bruce thinks if he didn't stop being Batman to Mary Andrea he could've saved her father and feels personally responsible, as if his parents are punished him for being happy
I actually made up my own story about what would happen if Batman ever actually discovered the identity of the man who murdered his parents.
In the late 1930s, when Batman was created, the depression was yielding to the nascent war economy and the American Dream was becoming a reality once more, for the first time in half a generation. I suppose that at that time, street crime and violence were rampant because of the recent economic chaos. If you were a child and lucky enough to be from a family that could afford luxuries like comic books, I suppose it's only natural that you would be one of those who believed that the dominant system would _float all boats_ and that those who lashed out were beneath contempt.
Thomas Wayne was a physician. Certainly a professional job, but that would likely only amass him a modest fortune - certainly by his late thirties or early forties, when he seems to have been killed. In order to have the kind of money Bruce seems to enjoy, Thomas would have to have inherited it - or else been an early investor in someone like Rockefeller.
I say all this to try to explain and excuse Bruce his mission of vengeance against petty street crime. In the America of the early forties, I suppose it must have seemed like the greatest threat to the beneficiaries of the _land of plenty_ were those who wouldn't _play ball._ I'll also concede that random violence has been a long-standing problem in the United States, more than in most rich nations.
But as the years go by, I am finding this explanation for the Batman more and more distasteful and implausible. A street criminal murdered a couple of millionaires and wasn't turned in - by a fairweather friend - for the paltry reward that was undoubtably offered? Very hard to believe. A man of Bruce's education and intelligence would be tortured by the notion that his society thrives on minting rage-filled individuals, and then selling them deadly weapons for profit.
Which is why if the myth is to be recast for the current era, I believe the Waynes' murderers have to be a rival family, also trying to make the leap from haute bourgeoisie to America's ruling class. Perhaps their demented scion is in the know - or even responsible - a young Jack Napier, Harvey Dent, or Oswald Cobblepot. Perhaps, by the time of the Batman's advent, the murderous patriarch has already gone from rum runner, to Don Corleone, to Joseph Kennedy. Perhaps that's why in order to enact his vengeance, Batman has to operate outside the law and adopt the costume and techniques of the cat-burglar.
I love both The Reaper and the Phantasm!❤ If anything, I'd make The Reaper a long distant uncle to Andrea...to show her traits of the Skull are indeed traced to the shadowy path she would walk.
Excellent video. Additional point: The music in that movie is amazing
May I just say that I never saw Batman's famous "I am the night" line as him being vengeance for the death of his parents, instead I look at it as him being vengeance for those who cannot protect themselves, Ie the downtrodden and innocent citizens of Gotham City who get robbed or worse, when he stops those crimes and saves the innocent and does what he can as Bruce Wayne to help Gothan City, THAT is what the vengeance part of that line means to me. I love this movie, it's such a shame that it was a bomb at the box office because this was easily some of the best writing for BTAS. Wonderful recap
The birth of Batman in this movie will never be beaten, its not triumphant or heroic, its a broken man resigned to a fate he thought he had escaped.
God, this is such a good movie. It's still my favorite Batman film of all time.
Fantastic video, came across your channel earlier today, brilliant content, you’ve got yourself a subscriber 👍🏻
Welcome aboard! 🫡
This movie was beautiful. Batman at his peak. Phantasm was a perfect one shot villain that really shone in this specific movie
These are great. I would love more episodes about Batman Beyond.
Now there’s a Schway idea…
This was the first BTAS media I ever watched. I loved it and it’s what got me into Batman
Can't believe I misread the calendar. Christmas is on MONDAY, not Tuesday. Better get cracking!
Time to ready Solomon Grundy then.
Yeah it really shows how different classic Btas Batman is to his New Adventure series
9:25 this reminded me of the scene in young Justice where Batman is defending Shazam after they find they find out Shazam is a kid and the part where they bring up Robin is the best representation of Batman’s goal:
Batman:”Robin need to bring the people who murdered his family to justice.”
Wonder Woman:”So he could turn out like you!?”
Batman:”So that he wouldn’t.”
the absolte peak scene that is mark Hamills joker laughing wile fires surround him
i love this film also that intro is just *chefs kiss*
One of Batman's most famous lines is "I am vengeance!". But, he always fought for something more than just that. To fight for a day when no boy should lose his parents in an alley due to someone's cruelty. He was even willing to abandon his mission because his time with Andrea brought him the chance to be happy again. The difference between Bruce and Andrea comes when they both faced great loss, Andrea sought vengeance and nothing else. At the end, all she has is the regrets of what she gave up for revenge while Batman, in spite of the pain in his soul, keeps fighting for those who are still here and need his help.
6:42 Let's be honest, the most obvious reason to give Phantasm the same voice as her father was to throw off the audience from realizing it's actually Andrea.
Similar to how Return of the Joker also gives us Jordan Price, a throwaway villain voiced by Mark Hamill, who ends up being a red herring to trick the viewers.
I saw this opening night!!! What an experience!!!
Sad thing is sometimes relationships just can't work despite all the work they put into it. (see Princess Carolyn and the relationships with Ralph vs Bojack) the thing about forgiveness, redemption, and reconciliation is it's a conscious choice. Ya never really FEEL like forgiving someone, you choose to do so. In this case? bruce/batman might not see a reason to further ruin his old flame's life but finally deciding not to chase her beyond the criminal aspect is a form of forgiveness. He'd be completely in the right to say something like "I don't wish any pain or suffering on her but I don't want to persue a relationship with her. The pain I felt is real but I won't let that define how I treat her. I'm more than that."
That's two BTAS villains Tom King has used now, and I hope he can continue this trend. The man put Batburger from the 60's show in the main universe, he can work some magic.
Man. Combining all the Batman TAS and Beyond lore and tie in stuff gives us.... Bruce Wayne coincidentally meeting Terry who happens to have his blood because of his father being affected by a secret government project that his ex-girlfriend was technically part of... and then Terry loses his father *that same night* with the death being pinned on a gang inspired by the crimes of the man who killed his ex-girlfriend's father... Terry happens to figure out Bruce was Batman and then goes on to steal the mantle of Batman and then *meet the grandson of the man who killed Bruce Wayne's parents*.... who *actually* did the killing of Terry's father... only for Bruce Wayne's ex-girlfriend to show up again and stop Terry from getting the revenge by killing the man who killed his father.... who was also the grandson of the man who killed who is (technically) Terrry's grandfather and grandmother.....
.... this is before we toss in the complications of adding Damian Wayne to the canon btw
One of the reasons Andrea was such a remarkable villain is that she was a genuine surprise. Back in the 90's it was not common to have many women in hero roles, let alone super villains, and the voice changer was a technology that conceptually in a costume would have been very advanced and difficult, maybe even impossible, to execute. Even if you followed the motives and inferred who the Phantasm was, it was so unexpected. Andrea was a slight build, charming, elegant, and loving, yet as the Phantasm seemed even more imposing than Batman. It just couldn't have been her, and yet it was. I think many new viewers of this movie, even today, would be fooled. That's how incredible the writing is. I am so proud to say I was one of the kids who saw this in theatres.
Andrea is one of the best female characters in fiction, and the film is a masterpiece.
Merry Christmas, Serum Lake!
Merry Christmas to you too!
Bruce apologizing for being happy always hits hard. Why cant we get writing like this in modern animated shows
I love this movie. Really sums up revenge , obsession, and dedication can change a person. I watch this every Valentine’s Day.
I could definitely see a later comic writer bringing Revves back by stating that he survived the fall but fell into a coma and when he wakes up he decides to lure Phantasm and Bruce Wayne out again by becoming another Joker, leading to an adaptation of an obscure Two Jokers storyline which saw the villain return following A Death in the Family.
Siskel & Ebert absolutely loved mask of the phantasm when they reviewed it on their show just after it came out.
After reading Kevin Conroy's _Finding Batman_ story, I've noticed an unintentional parallel between him and Batman's relationship with the Phantasm, noticing that it's kinda queer coded.
I would've presumed that Arthur Reeves had died from the dose of Smylex.
i don't usually do this, but i'm actually going to take your advice and watch the movie before i have everything spoiled. been craving some new DC movies, and mask of the phantasm is new to me, so yeah, i'll gladly give it a watch first.
Tom King should never write a Batman comic or any superhero comic ever again. What do people see in that man!??
Ok, mini rant over now for my thoughts. Andrea is a fantastic antagonist. She is complex and tragic, with a great design for her darker alter ego.
I knew her father was involved with gangster but it never occured to me that he would be corrupt. I feel rather silly for not realising sooner, and I have watched the film multiple times (I just finished watching it earlier).
Dana gave a terrific performance as Andrea. She goes from innocent and sweet during the flashback to cold and ruthless in the present. Her rant near the end was great, with Dana conveying her pain and sorrow wonderully. It is little wonder why she was brought back to voice Lois in Superman TAS.
Personally, I do not mind Bruce discovering the true identity of the man who killed his parents. I guess I want to see Bruce find closure and happiness because, frankly, he deserved it.
Thanks for the great analysis
Merry Christmas, Serum.
I’ve enjoyed his Wonder Woman run so far, but there’s still time for it all to go south 🤣
One of the best dynamics of TAS was the fact that while batman would catch the criminals, Bruce Wayne would work to rehabilitate them and make the city better through his money and influence. It was even to the point that when a villian does actually find out and reveal his identity to other villains, they refuse to believe him and even act insulted he would dare to try and accuse someone as nice as Bruce Wayne as being the one they hate because of how much he's tried to help them.
I don't think Batman ever thought that Andrea was dead. He was simply sad that she had broken his one rule.
The movie in particular really is one of the best Batman movies, at least in my opinion.
It's such a fantastic movie. Honestly, this movie just highlights why BTAS and by extension, the TIMMVERSE was so amazing. Not just good guys beating up bad guys.
I think it'd be interesting, if there's ever a proper DCAU 2 or something like that, to revisit The Phantom *with* Ra's-al ghul in the picture.
After all, he runs a league of assassins, she is an assassin, and they both have a distinct, deep connection with Batman. I think Ra's would have a keen interest in at least keeping tabs on the one assassin who could make Batman flinch, and Andrea would probably be more then willing to link up with an international assassin league after going international.
Though, It'd also be interesting to see her return in the more modern "Bat-family" Era batman's gone through recently, especially with her more aloof/less obsessed nature compared to his other villians.
8:59 Oh. Oh now I have an idea in my head of Joe Chill taking this guilt and trying to do better, becoming a superhero too. Maybe even a Justice League. The angst...
Edit: Probably should have waited until the end of the video to drop this particular thought! Oh well.
I've recently developed a theory that Andrea is either a ghost kept in the world by the pain of her father's death, or that her mask gives her powers. Chucky Sol unloads into her at a range where its impossible to miss, and not even Batman can follow her through her smoke. There's no grate or vent for her to escape the roof from, and they were standing in the middle of the roof. To quote James Strecker of the Watchtower Database, "That's not how smoke do."
Another Batman beyond stuffed into justice league ending- I love how the tied so many stories together
Amazing show review
Shes so underrated and imp Bruce's one true love
This needs a live action film.
No. It's perfect the way it is.
I actually like when Batman meets Joe chill for one reason, Batman is a guy who will try to convince people that the best way to get payback on the people who have wrong them is to bring them to Justice and despite the fact the Joker has done so much crap to Batman his friends and family he still doesn’t give his desire for revenge. Something that red hood has called out but he met the man who killed his parents. Something that has traumatized him for years and that scenario, would Batman stick to his morals or given to revenge the episode with the origin of Robin has Batman stated that he didn’t want Robin going after Tony was because he wasn’t sure if he would follow Justice or vengeance, which I think we can agree, would be interesting, and FYI about the tie in comic with Joe chill. I hate that just because Batman doesn’t recognize him let’s face it that night has been depicted as a common nightmare in multiple continuities so the idea that Batman would not recognize him in some form is wrong
great stuff! :-)
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BTAS is the BEST Batman character! Most versions of batman, take away the BEST villians of all time, then Spider-Man or Wolverine is the best
I haven't checked your past videos yet, but have you done a video on Joe Chill yet? Or just on "Those who have killed the Wayne Parents?"
I haven’t done one on the murders of the Waynes, but I’ll add it to the list.
"What if Bruce Wayne found love!?" classic
No to be too pedantic, but as well as the Horror tactics she used, Andrea is shown having fighting skills by throwing Bruce when he tries Jui Jitsu on her
But she does lose the fight against the Joker
Even the title of this movie is genius it refers to the fact that Batman is not the mask, Bruce Wayne is the real mask. Which mask is Andrea, well just look at the title
Are you gonna cover the joker ? Because it’s really interesting what you have to say about him
I think there’s so much to say about him (and other key villains like Lex Luthor) that a single video wouldn’t do him justice. I’ve done one video about his best episode, but I need to pick a juicy topic for the next video.
Half the times in these stories while well-written I’m surprised there isn’t a hero who is ever truly selfish.
Like a good man who just goes “know what I’m done. Time to use my powers for what I want”.
And they go full crazy & find the girl & call them an idiot to their face.
Think the scene from Rezero in the anime where the protagonist breaks after dying so many times.
And selfishly claims to deserve Satella for all he’s done.
This movie and batman beyond I wish they made live action version.
The funniest thing about spoiling this film is how the company already spoiled it by releasing a Phantasm action figure WITHOUT the mask. So you can clearly see who the person is!
"So, if you don''t want the identity of the phantasm spoiled."
Two things.
1. As an adult, that's kind of the most obvious plot twist ever.
2. Simply mentioning that you can spoil the identity of the phantasm makes it even easier to guess who the phantasm is, because it signals that the person set up to be the phantasm early in the film is a misdirection and there's really only one other character it could be.
So, you kinda played yourself there.
I love this movie though.
Her identity was also spoiled months before the movie came out in theatres, due to tie in toys releasing before the film did.
It's the same reason the plot of Batman: Hush doesn't work, it's obvious who Hush is from the first few pages.
"It Was His Sled", said Citizen Kane.
@@michaelandreipalon359 A lot of people really misunderstand the reveal of Citizen Kane, though. That reveal is immediately followed by them burning the sled. The whole point of the film is that what Rosebud actually was didn't matter, because it was only one thing in a long life.
And honestly, I don't think the easy to guess plot twist of Phatasm really hurts the film that much, because the film wasn't' actually about the mystery of the phantasm. The film was a character study for Bruce Wayne, the same way Citizen Kane was a character study for Kane.
This is the best Batman movie across the board, animated or live action.
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I loved the Phantasm Batman origin story... But when Batman was trained by Jedi Master Qui Gon Jinn, there is NO take backsies!!!
I find this video great so far but I do disagree with your opinion on Joe Chill and how he fits with Batman's mindset. I find Bruce confronting Chill but refusing to kill him as a sign of growth showing us that Batman can grow past tragedy and now his quest as Batman is no longer one of vengeance, but of justice. The Batman: The Brave and the Bold episode, Chill of the Night is a good example of what I mean.
RIP Kevin Conroy († November 2022) & Efraim Zimbalist Jr. († May 2014)
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Honestly I would have liked to have seen her take up the mantle of sidekick or partner, I just feel like they'd have an interesting dynamic, you know?
One of the greatest Batman movies. It would be amazing live action but they'd probably ruin it with bad cg
Best Batman movie ever 😊
I wonder if Mike W. Barr was a fan of the Phantasm horror movies 😜
the way i read batman's vengaence line its not the vengaence of one man aganst a specific cirminal. it couldbe vengaence upon crime itself, teairng apart its systems and ensuring justice is done, or the vengaence of the downtrodden, of those made victims of crime and made pwoerless todo anything.