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@@SerumLakeWhat’s your thoughts on this video saying that the Batman 2004 was better than BTAS? ruclips.net/video/f7kqi1iqDvs/видео.htmlsi=lFBZm3cS-ZbcNEot
This show may not quite have been designed to sell toys... But that doesn't mean these weren't literally the only action figures I tried to collect as kid
When people mention the horror aspects of this show, they never mention Aaron. The guy falls for the wrong girl, and she turns him into a melting snowman. The last time we see him, he's in a box being looked over by another lonely misfit.
That is pretty sad and dark. I'm an adult and the body horror is making me physically cringe. I didn't watch Batman Beyond consistently, Just passively saw a few episodes like Earthmover. I swear the shot of him submerged in the ground awakened the exact feelings I had at the time. I probably could've handled Clayface as a child, but this is NOT a child friendly. 😁😁
I love the fact that the executives at WB wanted them to create cheap, disposable slop ("something to appeal to kids", "something to sell to mums at Walmart", something just to sell action-figure lines), and instead they created timeless, meaningful, and lasting ART. (which probably got them in trouble at the time). Absolute legends.
Definitely worth it though (and once again shows why these studio executive/business types are sadly often disconnected from what people actually want - also unfortunately, how their heightened attention to capitalistic greed and flowcharts/algorithms is their downfall, compared to artists making actual art with real effort).
Another great thing about the show was its use of teen angst. Many villains are troubled children trying to escape what they believe to be an oppressive environment: Ten, Donny Grasso, Terminal, the Jokerz, Willie Watt, Patrick th Rat-Boy, Payback. Not really a cyber-punk show if you don't include the deterioration of childhood innocence! And the writers kept that, made it a focal point in the story. Now that certainly attracted the younger audience.
Even Inque, Curare and Streak count. Even putting it more so on Curare, we SEE her brother, that young asian Green Lantern is him. So something REALLY bad must have happened for them to split like that.
I noticed in Earthmover, the daughter calls the man who accidentally caused her father's death, "Dad" at the end when before she called him by his name. He really tried to make up for what he had done and in a way, succeeded.
Another way to look at Batman being reduced to using a gun would have been to see that the fact that he had to use a gun meant that he was no longer physically fit for his mission. Had he not developed a heart condition for STORY MOVES THE CHARACTERS INSTEAD OF THE CHARACTERS MOVING THE STORY reasons, he could have probably not been caught off guard and could have kept being Batman for a few more years/months/weeks. Being forced to use the gun meant that being reduced into using it meant that he can no longer operate as Batman without an assistance like the fear of the gun and after the situation was dealt with, Bruce recognized the wake up call he was given; he is can't be Batman anymore because he past his prime to operate as Batman anymore. This was his curtain call and book ending to his career, having started with a gun and being brought to a close with a gun. It still wouldn't have needed be the end of his mission, as Bruce could have gone the way of Kingdom Come and started to use sentinel drones remotely controlled from the Batcave, but hey, that way we wouldn't have gotten Batman Beyond as a series or as a concept.
I learned about Batman Beyond from my Grandmother who worked at Warner Bros. She got me a Dvd of the first handful episodes(because it just came out of the studio) probably thinking it was going to be more light-hearted. After watching this video I am convinced that after my first viewing of said DVD she had decided I was not allowed to watch it anymore. I loved Batman Beyond and still do to this day, as far as I'm concerned Terry McGinnis is the true successor to Bruce Wayne as Batman😁
Great video. I'm also glad that the execs failed with wanting to make this a more kid-friendly show, especially since I was well into adulthood when I first started watching. As such, the darker themes were more appealing to me, including those in "Earth Mover". I'm looking forward to your next video on Derek Powers/Blight.
Honestly, if those network heads would only understand that children love scary things and can handle a lot of heavy topics. It's of the reason why everyone enjoyed the BTAS and Batman Beyond.
Executives keep trying to make kid shows about kids and their struggles, but if you ask me, I think that's a stupid idea. If there's one thing kids like, it's being treated like adults and I think they are way more drawn to stories about the adult world than about the child world they already live in. Robin didn't interest kids because they related to his teenage struggles, he interested kids because they could vicariously project themselves onto him and thus be inducted into an adult world that was denied them in the real world. They don't like Robin because he's young, they like Robin because he's a young man who gets treated as an adult.
I mean, I think kids need both. A phrase often used in the children's book space is stories can provide both windows and mirrors - windows to experiences different from your own, and mirrors to your own experience. And kids need both, which is why there has been a more concerted effort to make sure many types of experiences are being talked about. So series about teen and adult characters provide windows to a potential teen or adult life, and that matters, but they do still need mirrors to their own experiences too.
My main introduction to Batman was the Batman/Superman World's Finest movie and Batman Beyond so they'll always have a special place in my heart What I loved most is that, even though I was viewing some returning villains for the first time I knew I wasn't watching a triumphant return but rather the equivilent of a cockroach skuttling back after you thought you stamped it out. Bane was left a shell, Ra's al Ghul is so scared of death he stole his daughter's body and his obsession with the Lazarus pit is what ultimately killed him, Freeze being overwhelmed by his emotions both from the betrayl and seeing the impact of his crimes from a fresh perspective deciding the only way he'll ever be free is to end himself. Time is not kind to anyone in the show, even Barbara Gordon isn't immune to it, almost becoming an example of her fear toxin induced nightmare when she's tricked into going after Terry by Spellbinder (if only the Bruce/Barb romantic subplot wasn't there because fucking ***yeeesh***) Even other villains, while some not strictly basing themselves off the originals, can be seen as 'modern' equivilents. Spellbinder is a mishmash of Mad Hatter's tech and Scarecrow's psychological background, Inque is a more specialized version of Clayface, The JOKERZ gang using the clown prince of crime's likeness to give them some identity to name just a few And then there was the Return of The Joker While he would certainly say he made a grand return, his is ultimately the most pathetic and sickening; how he's using a microchip in Tim Drake's body to ocasionally posess him, haunting him and eventually Bruce from beyond the grave. He constantly lives in the past, wanting to fight Brucie all over again and taking potshots at Terry because he's not a REAL Batman. Ironically, BTAS foreshadowed how he's defeated for good in the end; like in 'Make 'em Laugh', he cannot stand being mocked, either by being called unfunny or having someone laugh AT him, both the reason he steals Mad Hatter's tech to brainwash 3 comedians into being lacklustre villains and how the episode ends with him yelling at a crowd of people to stop laughing at him with his pants down. With Terry realizing that a guy who likes to talk smack to get a reaction out of a brickwall like Bruce would probably fucking **hate** it if someone started taking verbal shots back, getting the Joker so heated he's open to having the microchip zapped by his own hyper-charged joybuzzer he dropped earlier in the fight
I saw the thumbnail and it gave me a wild sense memory. When whatever that thing was jammed itself into Batman’s mouth, it scared the shit out of me as a kid. Like gave me nightmares.
Do you reckon that it was actually Tony Maychek that remained within the Earthmover, or do you think it was more akin to Alan Moore's Swamp Thing where Alec Holland wasn't the true essence of Swamp Thing and just had fragments of what remained of his memories instead of actually being him? I know there were more differences but you know what I meant.
I look forward to when you cover "Big Time" from this series. What I absolutely love about the two episodes he got is that it does a great job of showing just how "Small Time" the guy really is despite all his talk of making it big. I mean, in spite of having super strength, in his second appearance he couldn't even take control of his own gang because he lacked the guts to do anything himself. Even with his powers, he was a coward at heart, and mentally he was always a two-bit hoodlum.
If I remember correctly, this series had the chronological distinction of being the first piece of new Batman televised media to enter a Post-9/11 world. I believe there was a bit of gap in airdates between the last episodes of the series. Something about Cartoon Network actually acquiring the rights to air new episodes in 2001. At any rate, the series finale... SPOILER ALERT....Terry finding himself in a compromising situation with his Batman persona revealed to a young boy.... aired around October of 2001. I hope this piece of Bat history gets talked about.❤
Okay and then there was that one episode of BB where the villain became immaterial and just kept sinking into the earth and Batman couldn't save him and Bruce is basically like "yeah he's condemned to a fate worse than death" and that one shook me!
This month is turning out to be even more interesting than I could've anticipated. 😀 First a video essay on Terry McGinnis, followed by a special edition of the "Totally Schway" podcast about the Batman Beyond 25th anniversary, a short and sweet retrospective on the show, its villains tier, and now a look at the series' more mature themes such as loneliness, stalking, bullying, neglect and other forms of emotional abuse, compounding in Tim Drake's most disturbing and traumatic event as portrayed in the Return of the Joker DTV masterpiece. Thank you also, Serum, for special mentions to Spellbinder, Bane, Blight and Earth Mover. I'm loving all this new content you keep putting out around the cultural phenomenon that Batman Beyond proved to be. ⭐ Thank you again so much.
Man this show, I must have been eight or so when it aired in my home country. And I distinctively remember watching the Earth mover episode and it just leaving me feeling a sense of lingering dread. I also have a very strong memory of this one episode where Batman fights a sound based bad guy, and in the end a building falls on top of the bad guy crushing him. And I remember struggling with that as a child, that Batman didn't save the guy, I recall saying to myself "Batman isn't supposed to kill" The much darker tone actually put me off the show a little bit at the time, always scared that it would be a rerun of the Earthmover.
The earthmover story is 100% horrific him being buried alive by the person he considered his best friend for year until. That point left to marinate in radioactive waste wile being complete alone in the dark
Thank you for reminding me of the TABR episode where robin falls for the clayface girl. Definitely needed that trauma resurfacing today. 😂 I loved Batman Beyond so much! It was so Schway!
I did a whole video about Annie if you're interested in exploring that trauma any further... ruclips.net/video/8k282hqbRr8/видео.htmlsi=SnHfLEsWYjNWnSaY (and you're welcome! Hope you've enjoyed Batman Beyond month so far)
Earthmover was childhood trauma for me and probably has something to do with my absolute love of the horror genre. Makes it a pretty effective love letter I think.
I was seven when this series came out and while I can't remember what age I was when I started watching, I do remember this show being a huge part of my childhood and I still love it today!
I was 18 when B:TAS premiered and had just graduated college when S:TAS debuted. My young adulthood was spent watching the DCAU. It's always fun to meet people who discovered the series as actual kids. In my experience, it still resonated with them. And interestingly enough, even the more overtly kid-focused shows that followed -- The Batman, Teen Titans -- were more emotionally complex and mature than what I'd grown up watching as a kid.
I love how Timm and co. played by the rules while cleverly subverting them. The New Batman Adventures was pretty dark and grim despite the presence of Robin and Batgirl and Batman Beyond far exceeded the "teen Batman" parameters set for it. I've argued that while making a great Batman series is obviously impressive, Timm had a solid template to do so. I'm still blown away by what he was able to achieve with Batman Beyond.
What a video! I’m from Brazil and grew up watching the DCAU. I found this channel this week and I already think this is the best DCAU channel on RUclips!
@@michaelandreipalon359 In my opinion, the Watchtower Database is the best when the subject is the chronology of the DCAU and how everything fits together. Maybe they are the definitive DCAU channel on this platform. But I think Serum Lake shines above them when it comes to philosophical analysis and characters development in the DCAU. That's why lately it's been more enjoyable for me to watch Serum's videos. I love the Watchtower too, by the way.
It's quite telling that I watched pretty much every episode as a kid when this series first ran, but can't really recall much... But when you mention the Earth Movers episode, holy crap, that episode was etched into my mind as a kid and I remember being so fascinated but scared from it at the same time. I remember watching it later at night as well, it really creeped me out and I remember it vividly. Thanks for bringing back some old nightmares
Never got why suits think that kids want to see kids in their entertainment. When I was a kid, I tended to hate kid characters, who tended to be annoying, stupid, unfunny, and to slow everything down. The DCAU gave its own kid characters a fair shake by contrast, but I liked them because they were good characters, not because they were kids.
The government used to give subsidies to TV shows that made educational and anti-drug episodes. If you ever watch a show from the 80's to 2000's and a character starts giving a lecture about how bad drugs are, that's because the show was getting tax breaks or funds from the government. The Bane episode of Batman Beyond was their anti-drug episode. And the Willie Watt epsiodes were their anti-bullying episodes.
Also, something to note is that it's made clear that Bill was only dumping the chemicals in the mine because his company could legitimately not afford to dispose of it properly, unlike someone like Derek Powers who is fully capable of putting in the cash and does it out of malice and greed. Bill's company disposes of the waste properly in the present.
the episode that haunts me the most is the episode Hooked Up of all things that’s mostly due to issues of depression and disappointment with the world I still experience. The desire to escape that at any cost was all too understandable.
The villain at the end of the splicer episode is exceptionally scarring. No idea how they got away with that- especially with the villain’s horrified reaction to his new form
Indeed, though for most of the episode I was distracted by the incorrect pronunciation of Kī-mir-ə to truly appreciate the commentary and body horror. Seeing Cuvier go full tetsuo and terry being turned into Man-Bat Beyond certainly snapped me out of it.
This is one of the episodes of the show that I remember from childhood that was really dark. Just the thought of it what happened still gets to me now. Man I miss this show so much.
I love the opening scene of this series cuz not only does it set the tone but it shows one of my greatest loves of the character of Batman, he is a big enough man to realize when he himself is no longer worthy of the title HE maid
Another episode of Batman Beyond which I find pretty disturbing is ,,Lost Soul" and the terrible scene where Robert Vance mind was reverted to that of a little kid calling for his mother before being extinguished.
I feel the earth mover episode also shows the fear of being trapped. Like being trapped in a cave or building alone you can’t move at all. All you hope for it death.
I'm amazed the episode with Shriek was not censored at all. I'm 23 and watching the concept of someone whispering in your ear to kill yourself with you unable to stop the voices was disturbing as hell.
I know it’s not really a kids show my because my parents didn’t allow me to watch it as a kid I had to watch it years later as a teen and I can see why lol 😂
Well done my dude, a lot of people tend to massively downplay just how dark this show could get. Weirder still, a lot of fans tend to ignore it outright despite the crew openly admitting they wanted the show to be darker (and fans get weirdly mad about people bringing it up oddly enough.) Looking forward to seeing what else you come up with.
It’s funny cause my mom still impulse bought return of the joker and watched it with us a ton. She was cool with the movies tone because she had a philosophy of only stepping in if it negatively affected me and my brother (although there were a few not negotiable things like GTA and Hunger games). Me and my brother had not a damn clue what a Batman beyond was but we fell in love with the movie and then binged the tv show on PS3 Netflix
WB had it all wrong with what they thought kids wanted -- as a kid I didn't care for Robin. I loved and wanted to be Batman! Though I did like Batgirl a little. And Batman Beyond didn't appeal to me as a kid because the color palette and themes were very mature and dark.
Mmm. I'd say the true dark age for animation was the 70s. That was the time when animation got no respect, when it was at its ugliest and cheapest, and when all the stereotypical attitudes of cartoons being a thing for kids you grow out of were formed. The 80s was the transitional period when we started crawling out of the dark ages. While a lot 80s animated stuff were toy commercials, there was still a standard of quality that the people making them expected. Usually, anyway. It also saw the rise of a new generation of writers (like Paul Dini) who took the medium seriously even if the executives didn't and who would absolutely try to make animation more meaningful than what it had been the decade prior. The 90s was just when the efforts began to really pay off.
The 70’s and 80’s proved animation film wasn’t just for kids as there was Fritz the cat, Heavy Metal, Fantastic planet, watership down, plague dogs, American pop, wizards, rock and rule, Pink Floyd the wall, fire and ice, Starchaser, Akira, golgo 13, wicked city etc getting rid of the stigma that animated films wasn’t just for kids. They all paved the way for Simpsons, DC animation, spawn tas, mask of the phantasm, mtv animation etc that adult animation exists even Japanese animation imports.
Just started watching this with my son, only just watched ep 3 tonight, the one with Inque. Between the creepy body horror stuff and the SF setting and *something*about the music and sound effects reminded me Aeon Flux, which I have to think influenced them a bit when they made this show
One aspect I also noticed on the earth mover episode that the earth mover seems to be either mutated into his husk like form but still has some form of Life that can’t be explained or it’s Tony’s actual mummified remains being inhabited by his spirit that was not able to move on due to both the circumstances of his death and the rage and betrayal he felt towards his partner, and the end were he uses the last bits of his influence to help his daughter Jackie escape the underground cave system and eventually is able to unbind himself from his husk Because he was able to finally face the source of his rage and meet his daughter for one last time before moving on to the after life that exists on the dcu Wb had some serious balls to air this on open tv on a hour young kids could end up watching it by themselves unprepared
Batman tas and batman beyond hit me right as i was growing myaelf. So the transition to more adult themes really gripped me as i was about 17/18 watching.
In all honesty, when I was a kid, I dind't get any adult references in the show, I know for sure there was a few ones, but to put it simple, this show was so cool, rad and it just had so much edginess to it. Edit: you just had to show that episode where that girl is being abosbed by clayface, man I could almost feel the dark shivers like the first time I saw that episode, that was so scary.
I still remember my mom telling me I could not watch Batman Beyond when I was kid. At the time I did not understand why, watching it as an adult, there was some dark stuff going on. Also that bit with Inque forcing herself into Terry lead some really weird and messed up fan art.
The most horrifying thing that happens in Batman Beyond is when they cut open the Hunter's spine with that saw while he's awake without anesthetic. That haunted me as a kid and still haunts me today.
11:47 - 12:03 Jesus Christ dude, why do you sound like the PERFECT hybrid between someone who genuinely cares about the wholesomeness of just a cute little family unit having a good time together and enjoying being alive, then suddenly some evil pissed off psychopath soliloquizing about hopes and dreams being maimed and warped and destroyed before their very eyes and left in horror and despair at watching all the goodness being blasted in the face with a shotgun and left to think about how hopeless life itself is??? O__O It's fucking hilarious and eerie at the same time turned up to Warp 11!
Batman Beyond was my favorite show after Batman the Animated Series. Of course, I was a teen when this was on. I thought the suit was amazing, the characters were dark, and the overall setting was gritty cyberpunk/cybergoth.
“Moving away from cheaply-made shows whose whole purpose for existing was to sell action figures, to sophisticated and dark stories that burned into the brains of the kids that watched them.” And also sold action figures.
Something I personally like about Terry as a character, that isnt something i personally saw with any other batman or robin at the time, is that he wasn't afraid to kill someone who NEEDED to be stopped. Like yeah he didn't enjoy it, he was enough like Bruce that he hated going that far, but if it meant saving people, he'd do it. He doesnt follow the same code as Bruce in that way, but as a human being he still has morals. I sincerely hope WB realizes people enjoyed Batman Beyond and let that recently discovered movie (THAT HASNT BEEN CANCELLED) move forward in development because I really want to see a Spiderverse styled Beyond film. It deserves more love!
What an Awesome episode again!! It would be cool if you would season your videos for each year and put episode numbers on them. haha this is not a suggestion though!!! It's just my crazy brain which likes things being organized. Just keep doing what you are doing. You do a great job. Don't fix what is not broken!! But I would put the titel like this maybe: Batman Beyond Is NOT A Kids' Show | #batmanbeyond25 | Season 2, Episode 7 Since this is your seventh video this year which is the second year you put out videos regularly I think, right? Or put separate episode numbers on Essays, Storyboard videos, Totally Schway Podcasts (I saw the episode numbers there ;) hehe) and/or your special videos like the Musicvideo, your tier lists and the audio commentary and so on - in which case this would be "Season 2, Episode 3.." -> (Essay video) I wished I would have the skills to create videos like these. Then I would do that. But like said, you do it right already so never mind :)
I always find it hilarious that producers and etc. always tried to make characters that were "relatable to kids". The characters I always loved were NEVER the kids, or ones I could "relate" to. I didn't want to be Robin, I wanted to be Batman.
Never really thought about just how dark this show was and how many dark themes were in the show. I mean dang reminds me how disturbing the Robot Vance A.I was. Freakish face always shown in darkness trying to murder terry by things like drowning him. Gives the vibes of a older 1950s sci-fi horror film. Also great episode to watch in the dark very fun creepy experience
I think that action figure should be purchased not because the story there is a commercial for the action figures but because the story is so good that you want to help financially support the thing you love as a story
I already knew BB was a way to circumvent a "teenage Batman" mandate, that would never fit Bruce, but execs have no idea of their own IPs, they said "this is making money, give me a version for children too", but every time I see someone's take on how spectacularly it backfired onto them, it makes me smile. They tried to fuck them over so many times, and they still pulled off one of the best pieces of media ever. Bruce Timm and Paul Dini are probably the best thing that happened to television in the last few decades. I mean, is there any part of the animated Timmverse that's not freaking amazing of its own right? Well, STAS is sort of a low point, but that's a problem with Superman on his own, he is too flawless as a character for conflict to be engaging when he is alone (unless you get his amazing blowoff against Darkseid in JL, that felt fucking engaging and had me on the edge of my seat, it's real conflict he deals with because of who he is, he has a quote-unquote flaw and it's amazing, but you cannot make a whole series about that, it'd be stale in 2 eps), so the best episodes of STAS are those with guests. Still good, though.
I was in the younger target demographic when Batman Beyond aired, and I absolutely loved it. The action was good, but the writing and plots were like good meat, something to chew on you couldn't get in most of the drivel they design for kids. I ate it up and enjoyed the reruns even after passing through the unwanted 'older' demographic.
All I wanted was for Rocksteady to make a Batman Beyond game but WB executives told them to make a live service game and now that game lost so much money the studio will close but even if it doesn't the founders left in 2022 along with all the talent that made the old Arkham games.
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@@SerumLakeWhat’s your thoughts on this video saying that the Batman 2004 was better than BTAS? ruclips.net/video/f7kqi1iqDvs/видео.htmlsi=lFBZm3cS-ZbcNEot
This show may not quite have been designed to sell toys... But that doesn't mean these weren't literally the only action figures I tried to collect as kid
I love Batman Beyond -- LOVE -- but nothing compares to the BTAS action figures, vehicles and playsets released by Kenner once upon a time.
I had the batwing and batmobile from both the animated series and beyond. I wish I'd hung onto them.
When people mention the horror aspects of this show, they never mention Aaron. The guy falls for the wrong girl, and she turns him into a melting snowman. The last time we see him, he's in a box being looked over by another lonely misfit.
Yeah. Just the goopy look he gives at the end stays with me…
This might be true. Or maybe not.
There are fates worse than death.
That is pretty sad and dark.
I'm an adult and the body horror is making me physically cringe. I didn't watch Batman Beyond consistently, Just passively saw a few episodes like Earthmover. I swear the shot of him submerged in the ground awakened the exact feelings I had at the time. I probably could've handled Clayface as a child, but this is NOT a child friendly.
😁😁
2:51 I always liked that when they were told to censor something they'd find a way to make the censored version more horrifying.
I love the fact that the executives at WB wanted them to create cheap, disposable slop ("something to appeal to kids", "something to sell to mums at Walmart", something just to sell action-figure lines), and instead they created timeless, meaningful, and lasting ART. (which probably got them in trouble at the time).
Absolute legends.
Definitely worth it though (and once again shows why these studio executive/business types are sadly often disconnected from what people actually want - also unfortunately, how their heightened attention to capitalistic greed and flowcharts/algorithms is their downfall, compared to artists making actual art with real effort).
Another great thing about the show was its use of teen angst. Many villains are troubled children trying to escape what they believe to be an oppressive environment: Ten, Donny Grasso, Terminal, the Jokerz, Willie Watt, Patrick th Rat-Boy, Payback. Not really a cyber-punk show if you don't include the deterioration of childhood innocence! And the writers kept that, made it a focal point in the story. Now that certainly attracted the younger audience.
Even Inque, Curare and Streak count. Even putting it more so on Curare, we SEE her brother, that young asian Green Lantern is him. So something REALLY bad must have happened for them to split like that.
@@ExeErdna Wow, I had no idea those two were related.
Dark and Gritty with Edgey Humor. Y7.
Best decision 👏
I noticed in Earthmover, the daughter calls the man who accidentally caused her father's death, "Dad" at the end when before she called him by his name. He really tried to make up for what he had done and in a way, succeeded.
Another way to look at Batman being reduced to using a gun would have been to see that the fact that he had to use a gun meant that he was no longer physically fit for his mission. Had he not developed a heart condition for STORY MOVES THE CHARACTERS INSTEAD OF THE CHARACTERS MOVING THE STORY reasons, he could have probably not been caught off guard and could have kept being Batman for a few more years/months/weeks.
Being forced to use the gun meant that being reduced into using it meant that he can no longer operate as Batman without an assistance like the fear of the gun and after the situation was dealt with, Bruce recognized the wake up call he was given; he is can't be Batman anymore because he past his prime to operate as Batman anymore. This was his curtain call and book ending to his career, having started with a gun and being brought to a close with a gun.
It still wouldn't have needed be the end of his mission, as Bruce could have gone the way of Kingdom Come and started to use sentinel drones remotely controlled from the Batcave, but hey, that way we wouldn't have gotten Batman Beyond as a series or as a concept.
I learned about Batman Beyond from my Grandmother who worked at Warner Bros. She got me a Dvd of the first handful episodes(because it just came out of the studio) probably thinking it was going to be more light-hearted. After watching this video I am convinced that after my first viewing of said DVD she had decided I was not allowed to watch it anymore. I loved Batman Beyond and still do to this day, as far as I'm concerned Terry McGinnis is the true successor to Bruce Wayne as Batman😁
Great video. I'm also glad that the execs failed with wanting to make this a more kid-friendly show, especially since I was well into adulthood when I first started watching. As such, the darker themes were more appealing to me, including those in "Earth Mover". I'm looking forward to your next video on Derek Powers/Blight.
Glad to hear that you enjoyed the video. I admire how rebellious the show’s team were 😂
@@SerumLake Rebels with a cause! 😆
Sneak peek was my favorite... of ways to die and you know he's not dead yet...
"Now I suggest you leave. It's not healthy to be around me when I'm shedding."
@@mattstorm360He was defeated by gravity all the way to the center of the Earth. He's dead.
Honestly, if those network heads would only understand that children love scary things and can handle a lot of heavy topics.
It's of the reason why everyone enjoyed the BTAS and Batman Beyond.
You know how kids love the dark and adult themes of this TV show?
Lets remove both of those things to make it appeal more to kids!
You can't reason with Warner Bros. executives. They have stood in the way of creative freedom for decades and show no signs of letting up.
Executives keep trying to make kid shows about kids and their struggles, but if you ask me, I think that's a stupid idea. If there's one thing kids like, it's being treated like adults and I think they are way more drawn to stories about the adult world than about the child world they already live in. Robin didn't interest kids because they related to his teenage struggles, he interested kids because they could vicariously project themselves onto him and thus be inducted into an adult world that was denied them in the real world. They don't like Robin because he's young, they like Robin because he's a young man who gets treated as an adult.
Small wonder why Teen Titans' Robin left an arguably better mark on that.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I can't speak to that one, I haven't really seen it.
@@cheezemonkeyeater Highly recommend it. Loads better than that all too goofy overrated apocrypha with Go! in its name.
I mean, I think kids need both. A phrase often used in the children's book space is stories can provide both windows and mirrors - windows to experiences different from your own, and mirrors to your own experience. And kids need both, which is why there has been a more concerted effort to make sure many types of experiences are being talked about. So series about teen and adult characters provide windows to a potential teen or adult life, and that matters, but they do still need mirrors to their own experiences too.
I only kind of agree. Danny Phanton and Spiderman and Buffy all did the focus on kids struggles and those are very fondly remembered.
My main introduction to Batman was the Batman/Superman World's Finest movie and Batman Beyond so they'll always have a special place in my heart
What I loved most is that, even though I was viewing some returning villains for the first time I knew I wasn't watching a triumphant return but rather the equivilent of a cockroach skuttling back after you thought you stamped it out. Bane was left a shell, Ra's al Ghul is so scared of death he stole his daughter's body and his obsession with the Lazarus pit is what ultimately killed him, Freeze being overwhelmed by his emotions both from the betrayl and seeing the impact of his crimes from a fresh perspective deciding the only way he'll ever be free is to end himself. Time is not kind to anyone in the show, even Barbara Gordon isn't immune to it, almost becoming an example of her fear toxin induced nightmare when she's tricked into going after Terry by Spellbinder (if only the Bruce/Barb romantic subplot wasn't there because fucking ***yeeesh***)
Even other villains, while some not strictly basing themselves off the originals, can be seen as 'modern' equivilents. Spellbinder is a mishmash of Mad Hatter's tech and Scarecrow's psychological background, Inque is a more specialized version of Clayface, The JOKERZ gang using the clown prince of crime's likeness to give them some identity to name just a few
And then there was the Return of The Joker
While he would certainly say he made a grand return, his is ultimately the most pathetic and sickening; how he's using a microchip in Tim Drake's body to ocasionally posess him, haunting him and eventually Bruce from beyond the grave.
He constantly lives in the past, wanting to fight Brucie all over again and taking potshots at Terry because he's not a REAL Batman.
Ironically, BTAS foreshadowed how he's defeated for good in the end; like in 'Make 'em Laugh', he cannot stand being mocked, either by being called unfunny or having someone laugh AT him, both the reason he steals Mad Hatter's tech to brainwash 3 comedians into being lacklustre villains and how the episode ends with him yelling at a crowd of people to stop laughing at him with his pants down.
With Terry realizing that a guy who likes to talk smack to get a reaction out of a brickwall like Bruce would probably fucking **hate** it if someone started taking verbal shots back, getting the Joker so heated he's open to having the microchip zapped by his own hyper-charged joybuzzer he dropped earlier in the fight
I saw the thumbnail and it gave me a wild sense memory. When whatever that thing was jammed itself into Batman’s mouth, it scared the shit out of me as a kid. Like gave me nightmares.
Do you reckon that it was actually Tony Maychek that remained within the Earthmover, or do you think it was more akin to Alan Moore's Swamp Thing where Alec Holland wasn't the true essence of Swamp Thing and just had fragments of what remained of his memories instead of actually being him? I know there were more differences but you know what I meant.
I know what you mean, and I think it was him, rather than a clump of earth that thinks it is Tony.
Batman beyond was a creative masterpiece. Im glad they didnt water it down to please execs.
I look forward to when you cover "Big Time" from this series. What I absolutely love about the two episodes he got is that it does a great job of showing just how "Small Time" the guy really is despite all his talk of making it big. I mean, in spite of having super strength, in his second appearance he couldn't even take control of his own gang because he lacked the guts to do anything himself. Even with his powers, he was a coward at heart, and mentally he was always a two-bit hoodlum.
If I remember correctly, this series had the chronological distinction of being the first piece of new Batman televised media to enter a Post-9/11 world. I believe there was a bit of gap in airdates between the last episodes of the series. Something about Cartoon Network actually acquiring the rights to air new episodes in 2001.
At any rate, the series finale... SPOILER ALERT....Terry finding himself in a compromising situation with his Batman persona revealed to a young boy.... aired around October of 2001. I hope this piece of Bat history gets talked about.❤
Hmm, I still prefer the true series finale being "The Call", which nicely leads to Justice League's "Secret Origins".
Okay and then there was that one episode of BB where the villain became immaterial and just kept sinking into the earth and Batman couldn't save him and Bruce is basically like "yeah he's condemned to a fate worse than death" and that one shook me!
Same, as the road to no man’s land points out the sheer terror to be found when you can’t even trust the ground beneath your feet.
This month is turning out to be even more interesting than I could've anticipated. 😀 First a video essay on Terry McGinnis, followed by a special edition of the "Totally Schway" podcast about the Batman Beyond 25th anniversary, a short and sweet retrospective on the show, its villains tier, and now a look at the series' more mature themes such as loneliness, stalking, bullying, neglect and other forms of emotional abuse, compounding in Tim Drake's most disturbing and traumatic event as portrayed in the Return of the Joker DTV masterpiece. Thank you also, Serum, for special mentions to Spellbinder, Bane, Blight and Earth Mover. I'm loving all this new content you keep putting out around the cultural phenomenon that Batman Beyond proved to be. ⭐ Thank you again so much.
Man this show, I must have been eight or so when it aired in my home country. And I distinctively remember watching the Earth mover episode and it just leaving me feeling a sense of lingering dread.
I also have a very strong memory of this one episode where Batman fights a sound based bad guy, and in the end a building falls on top of the bad guy crushing him.
And I remember struggling with that as a child, that Batman didn't save the guy, I recall saying to myself "Batman isn't supposed to kill"
The much darker tone actually put me off the show a little bit at the time, always scared that it would be a rerun of the Earthmover.
He's no Bruce Wayne, that's for sure. Even the man himself doesn't comment much on the deaths involved.
Anywho, that episode was "Babel". Good stuff!
Dude you need to cover "Ace in the Hole"! Now thats a dark episode.
The earthmover story is 100% horrific him being buried alive by the person he considered his best friend for year until. That point left to marinate in radioactive waste wile being
complete alone in the dark
I like the way you phrased that - marinate. Such a disturbing image.
Thank you for reminding me of the TABR episode where robin falls for the clayface girl. Definitely needed that trauma resurfacing today. 😂
I loved Batman Beyond so much! It was so Schway!
I did a whole video about Annie if you're interested in exploring that trauma any further... ruclips.net/video/8k282hqbRr8/видео.htmlsi=SnHfLEsWYjNWnSaY
(and you're welcome! Hope you've enjoyed Batman Beyond month so far)
Earthmover was childhood trauma for me and probably has something to do with my absolute love of the horror genre. Makes it a pretty effective love letter I think.
I was seven when this series came out and while I can't remember what age I was when I started watching, I do remember this show being a huge part of my childhood and I still love it today!
the way that the B:TAS, TNB, S:TAS and BB writers are somehow capable of creating really dark stories no matter what the studio demands is great!
You should also see their tie-in comics.
I was 18 when B:TAS premiered and had just graduated college when S:TAS debuted. My young adulthood was spent watching the DCAU. It's always fun to meet people who discovered the series as actual kids. In my experience, it still resonated with them. And interestingly enough, even the more overtly kid-focused shows that followed -- The Batman, Teen Titans -- were more emotionally complex and mature than what I'd grown up watching as a kid.
I was ten when Batman tas debuted
Dude, this was one of the best shows of my childhood.
THANK YOU. It still BAFFLES me how RUclips's FAILURE of an algorithm stamps these Batman Beyond clips as 'For Kids' LMAOOOOOOOOOO
I love how Timm and co. played by the rules while cleverly subverting them. The New Batman Adventures was pretty dark and grim despite the presence of Robin and Batgirl and Batman Beyond far exceeded the "teen Batman" parameters set for it. I've argued that while making a great Batman series is obviously impressive, Timm had a solid template to do so. I'm still blown away by what he was able to achieve with Batman Beyond.
the executives sure learned the meaning of "be careful of what you wish for"...
What a video! I’m from Brazil and grew up watching the DCAU. I found this channel this week and I already think this is the best DCAU channel on RUclips!
I'm honoured! Welcome aboard and I hope I continue to meet your expectations.
Hmm, what about the Watchtower Database?
@@michaelandreipalon359 In my opinion, the Watchtower Database is the best when the subject is the chronology of the DCAU and how everything fits together. Maybe they are the definitive DCAU channel on this platform. But I think Serum Lake shines above them when it comes to philosophical analysis and characters development in the DCAU. That's why lately it's been more enjoyable for me to watch Serum's videos. I love the Watchtower too, by the way.
@@LuizFelipe.1689 Ah, good points there.
Although the 90s were a terrible time, they gave us the development of the comic book, music and animated series industry.
It's quite telling that I watched pretty much every episode as a kid when this series first ran, but can't really recall much... But when you mention the Earth Movers episode, holy crap, that episode was etched into my mind as a kid and I remember being so fascinated but scared from it at the same time. I remember watching it later at night as well, it really creeped me out and I remember it vividly. Thanks for bringing back some old nightmares
Never got why suits think that kids want to see kids in their entertainment. When I was a kid, I tended to hate kid characters, who tended to be annoying, stupid, unfunny, and to slow everything down. The DCAU gave its own kid characters a fair shake by contrast, but I liked them because they were good characters, not because they were kids.
The government used to give subsidies to TV shows that made educational and anti-drug episodes. If you ever watch a show from the 80's to 2000's and a character starts giving a lecture about how bad drugs are, that's because the show was getting tax breaks or funds from the government.
The Bane episode of Batman Beyond was their anti-drug episode. And the Willie Watt epsiodes were their anti-bullying episodes.
"Show, Don't Anvilliciously Tell", then?
And yet, Nelson Nash wins in both the "Golem" and "Revenant" episodes. Unfair but realistic.
@@VALonRUclips And even then, the guy proves to be a surprisingly competent "dad" on "The Eggbaby".
@@michaelandreipalon359 😅 😂 😂 😂 Well put. Can't argue with that observation.
I had an Earth Mover episode on VHS, I watched it numerous times. It's horrific, but cool in its own way.
This show and Justice League are peak superhero animation. I miss the DCAU so much, I fear there will never be anything like it again
Also, something to note is that it's made clear that Bill was only dumping the chemicals in the mine because his company could legitimately not afford to dispose of it properly, unlike someone like Derek Powers who is fully capable of putting in the cash and does it out of malice and greed. Bill's company disposes of the waste properly in the present.
the episode that haunts me the most is the episode Hooked Up of all things that’s mostly due to issues of depression and disappointment with the world I still experience.
The desire to escape that at any cost was all too understandable.
The ironic thing is that kids back then LOVED Batman Beyond, more than they would an 'all ages' show.
The villain at the end of the splicer episode is exceptionally scarring. No idea how they got away with that- especially with the villain’s horrified reaction to his new form
Indeed, though for most of the episode I was distracted by the incorrect pronunciation of Kī-mir-ə to truly appreciate the commentary and body horror. Seeing Cuvier go full tetsuo and terry being turned into Man-Bat Beyond certainly snapped me out of it.
Bane’s carer was voiced none other than Larry Drake, who was known to play dark characters.
This is one of the episodes of the show that I remember from childhood that was really dark. Just the thought of it what happened still gets to me now.
Man I miss this show so much.
🤔 I'm guessing you're referring to "Earth Mover"?
@@VALonRUclips I mean it's the thumbnail on the video right?
@@mandalorianhunter1 Fair enough.
I love the opening scene of this series cuz not only does it set the tone but it shows one of my greatest loves of the character of Batman, he is a big enough man to realize when he himself is no longer worthy of the title HE maid
Batman Beyond was my #1 favorite cartoon on CN as a kid. Absolutely loved the opening.
Another episode of Batman Beyond which I find pretty disturbing is ,,Lost Soul" and the terrible scene where Robert Vance mind was reverted to that of a little kid calling for his mother before being extinguished.
I feel the earth mover episode also shows the fear of being trapped. Like being trapped in a cave or building alone you can’t move at all. All you hope for it death.
Please do longer vids!! PLEASE! These 10 mins teases aren’t enough.
Sadly I have data that shows most people don’t watch longer videos. 10-15 minutes seems like the sweet spot.
I'm amazed the episode with Shriek was not censored at all. I'm 23 and watching the concept of someone whispering in your ear to kill yourself with you unable to stop the voices was disturbing as hell.
I know it’s not really a kids show my because my parents didn’t allow me to watch it as a kid I had to watch it years later as a teen and I can see why lol 😂
Well done my dude, a lot of people tend to massively downplay just how dark this show could get. Weirder still, a lot of fans tend to ignore it outright despite the crew openly admitting they wanted the show to be darker (and fans get weirdly mad about people bringing it up oddly enough.) Looking forward to seeing what else you come up with.
It’s funny cause my mom still impulse bought return of the joker and watched it with us a ton. She was cool with the movies tone because she had a philosophy of only stepping in if it negatively affected me and my brother (although there were a few not negotiable things like GTA and Hunger games). Me and my brother had not a damn clue what a Batman beyond was but we fell in love with the movie and then binged the tv show on PS3 Netflix
WB had it all wrong with what they thought kids wanted -- as a kid I didn't care for Robin. I loved and wanted to be Batman! Though I did like Batgirl a little. And Batman Beyond didn't appeal to me as a kid because the color palette and themes were very mature and dark.
Mmm. I'd say the true dark age for animation was the 70s. That was the time when animation got no respect, when it was at its ugliest and cheapest, and when all the stereotypical attitudes of cartoons being a thing for kids you grow out of were formed. The 80s was the transitional period when we started crawling out of the dark ages. While a lot 80s animated stuff were toy commercials, there was still a standard of quality that the people making them expected. Usually, anyway. It also saw the rise of a new generation of writers (like Paul Dini) who took the medium seriously even if the executives didn't and who would absolutely try to make animation more meaningful than what it had been the decade prior.
The 90s was just when the efforts began to really pay off.
The 70’s and 80’s proved animation film wasn’t just for kids as there was Fritz the cat, Heavy Metal, Fantastic planet, watership down, plague dogs, American pop, wizards, rock and rule, Pink Floyd the wall, fire and ice, Starchaser, Akira, golgo 13, wicked city etc getting rid of the stigma that animated films wasn’t just for kids.
They all paved the way for Simpsons, DC animation, spawn tas, mask of the phantasm, mtv animation etc that adult animation exists even Japanese animation imports.
That whole story with ras al ghul is pretty mature too
I didn’t realize how Dark this series was as a youth, but am grateful… they definitely 💯 don’t make them like this anymore 🃏
Did you HAVE to jumpscare me with the Annie scene !?!
Sorry!
Batman Beyond Return of the Joker is one of my favorite Batman movies
It’s certainly up there!
Right up there with Mask of the Phantasm, most definitely. And SubZero as well for all those BTAS/DCAU fans that love the latter (myself included).
What I’ve learned from this is that Joker(The Killing Joke) was right to an extent. “Just one bad day”
Just started watching this with my son, only just watched ep 3 tonight, the one with Inque. Between the creepy body horror stuff and the SF setting and *something*about the music and sound effects reminded me Aeon Flux, which I have to think influenced them a bit when they made this show
One aspect I also noticed on the earth mover episode that the earth mover seems to be either mutated into his husk like form but still has some form of Life that can’t be explained or it’s Tony’s actual mummified remains being inhabited by his spirit that was not able to move on due to both the circumstances of his death and the rage and betrayal he felt towards his partner, and the end were he uses the last bits of his influence to help his daughter Jackie escape the underground cave system and eventually is able to unbind himself from his husk
Because he was able to finally face the source of his rage and meet his daughter for one last time before moving on to the after life that exists on the dcu
Wb had some serious balls to air this on open tv on a hour young kids could end up watching it by themselves unprepared
Great stuff. Love this show, and you do it justice.
Batman tas and batman beyond hit me right as i was growing myaelf. So the transition to more adult themes really gripped me as i was about 17/18 watching.
25 years anniversary i feel old 😅
In all honesty, when I was a kid, I dind't get any adult references in the show, I know for sure there was a few ones, but to put it simple, this show was so cool, rad and it just had so much edginess to it.
Edit: you just had to show that episode where that girl is being abosbed by clayface, man I could almost feel the dark shivers like the first time I saw that episode, that was so scary.
I still remember my mom telling me I could not watch Batman Beyond when I was kid. At the time I did not understand why, watching it as an adult, there was some dark stuff going on. Also that bit with Inque forcing herself into Terry lead some really weird and messed up fan art.
Of course it isn't. It was made in 1999 where a teen fights people as batman and at school. He also was more blunt and found his dad murdered
Still traumatised from that Inq scene in the thumbnail. There was a time when hearing anyone say 'open wide' triggered me to no end. Sheesh
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1:13
My mind went on a whole nother direction there
I loved Batman Beyond as a kid, it was one of my favorite superhero shows
I and everyone I knew hated Robin as kids so its insane to me they thought Robin would be more relatable than BATMAN in a show called BATMAN.
I love how WB kept trying to cock it up to make more $ and they were cleverly undermined at each step. They need that same tenacity in writers today
The most horrifying thing that happens in Batman Beyond is when they cut open the Hunter's spine with that saw while he's awake without anesthetic. That haunted me as a kid and still haunts me today.
11:47 - 12:03
Jesus Christ dude, why do you sound like the PERFECT hybrid between someone who genuinely cares about the wholesomeness of just a cute little family unit having a good time together and enjoying being alive, then suddenly some evil pissed off psychopath soliloquizing about hopes and dreams being maimed and warped and destroyed before their very eyes and left in horror and despair at watching all the goodness being blasted in the face with a shotgun and left to think about how hopeless life itself is??? O__O
It's fucking hilarious and eerie at the same time turned up to Warp 11!
Batman beyond basically predicted the future
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Batman Beyond was my favorite show after Batman the Animated Series. Of course, I was a teen when this was on. I thought the suit was amazing, the characters were dark, and the overall setting was gritty cyberpunk/cybergoth.
“Moving away from cheaply-made shows whose whole purpose for existing was to sell action figures, to sophisticated and dark stories that burned into the brains of the kids that watched them.”
And also sold action figures.
Something I personally like about Terry as a character, that isnt something i personally saw with any other batman or robin at the time, is that he wasn't afraid to kill someone who NEEDED to be stopped. Like yeah he didn't enjoy it, he was enough like Bruce that he hated going that far, but if it meant saving people, he'd do it. He doesnt follow the same code as Bruce in that way, but as a human being he still has morals. I sincerely hope WB realizes people enjoyed Batman Beyond and let that recently discovered movie (THAT HASNT BEEN CANCELLED) move forward in development because I really want to see a Spiderverse styled Beyond film. It deserves more love!
What an Awesome episode again!! It would be cool if you would season your videos for each year and put episode numbers on them. haha this is not a suggestion though!!! It's just my crazy brain which likes things being organized. Just keep doing what you are doing. You do a great job. Don't fix what is not broken!!
But I would put the titel like this maybe:
Batman Beyond Is NOT A Kids' Show | #batmanbeyond25 | Season 2, Episode 7
Since this is your seventh video this year which is the second year you put out videos regularly I think, right?
Or put separate episode numbers on Essays, Storyboard videos, Totally Schway Podcasts (I saw the episode numbers there ;) hehe) and/or your special videos like the Musicvideo, your tier lists and the audio commentary and so on - in which case this would be "Season 2, Episode 3.." -> (Essay video)
I wished I would have the skills to create videos like these. Then I would do that. But like said, you do it right already so never mind :)
I always find it hilarious that producers and etc. always tried to make characters that were "relatable to kids". The characters I always loved were NEVER the kids, or ones I could "relate" to. I didn't want to be Robin, I wanted to be Batman.
Never really thought about just how dark this show was and how many dark themes were in the show. I mean dang reminds me how disturbing the Robot Vance A.I was. Freakish face always shown in darkness trying to murder terry by things like drowning him. Gives the vibes of a older 1950s sci-fi horror film. Also great episode to watch in the dark very fun creepy experience
I love when creative people monkey paw board room executives wishes. They're tenacity and drive gave us so many great series.
They straight up ATE!
I think that action figure should be purchased not because the story there is a commercial for the action figures but because the story is so good that you want to help financially support the thing you love as a story
9:27 I can’t look at this scene without thinking it’s an Akira reference.
Absolutely!
I already knew BB was a way to circumvent a "teenage Batman" mandate, that would never fit Bruce, but execs have no idea of their own IPs, they said "this is making money, give me a version for children too", but every time I see someone's take on how spectacularly it backfired onto them, it makes me smile. They tried to fuck them over so many times, and they still pulled off one of the best pieces of media ever.
Bruce Timm and Paul Dini are probably the best thing that happened to television in the last few decades. I mean, is there any part of the animated Timmverse that's not freaking amazing of its own right? Well, STAS is sort of a low point, but that's a problem with Superman on his own, he is too flawless as a character for conflict to be engaging when he is alone (unless you get his amazing blowoff against Darkseid in JL, that felt fucking engaging and had me on the edge of my seat, it's real conflict he deals with because of who he is, he has a quote-unquote flaw and it's amazing, but you cannot make a whole series about that, it'd be stale in 2 eps), so the best episodes of STAS are those with guests. Still good, though.
I was in the younger target demographic when Batman Beyond aired, and I absolutely loved it. The action was good, but the writing and plots were like good meat, something to chew on you couldn't get in most of the drivel they design for kids. I ate it up and enjoyed the reruns even after passing through the unwanted 'older' demographic.
I was like 4 when batman the animated series came out, I didn't give a crap about Robin, it was batman who I was dressed as every Halloween
All I wanted was for Rocksteady to make a Batman Beyond game but WB executives told them to make a live service game and now that game lost so much money the studio will close but even if it doesn't the founders left in 2022 along with all the talent that made the old Arkham games.
This may be the greatest animated sci-fi series ever. My non Batman favorite was Static Shock.
Terry > Bruce.
No.
1:13 was not expecting to see that
rofl.
WOW THANK YOU BRAVO!! so what changed your mind on making videos on beyond? Just the anniversary?
I was being coy the whole time, I've been planning this for months but didn't want to spill the beans!
08:44 yeah uh... this scene awakened something in me
Excellent video
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Yknow for the occasion this would be a fine episode to go over the 10-15 minute limit.