I kinda vibe with there not being attention called to the characters races and sexuality because it normalizes it. I think there’s something beautiful in that man
@@umjammerlammy9993 Yeah and that's actual true equality, I don't even think this show takes place in the 30s or 40s to be honest, its just looks like it because that what Gotham looks like in a lot of depictions. TAS took place in the 90s yet a retro timeless vintage look to it.
@@Mavericka96yeah but the things in the bat cave, and even the slangs shows it. men refer to woman as “broads.” or “dames.” is a term yes few men do use today however is was prominent and originated around that time
@@Mavericka96 i think peoples points are this regardless of it being the 40s, 50s, 60s this fictional gotham is taking a lot of elements from the past, so they’re saying take all and not cherry pick.
Its nice seeing the show not need to place itself time wise and have the 1930s-40s aesthetic but not have the war or anything irl interacting with it, this is a fantasy with grounded elements, this city's people is sick enough it has costumed people running around and cops and politicians are so corrupted it shows why Batman deals with [villain] every month like its a scheduled date of roughing each other up before sending them into Arkam to rest up for next fight, people are unwell in gotham and Bruce/Batman wants Arkam to work but its so corrupt all he could do is damage control(while having his arc growing to appreciate Alfred [maybe adopt the 4 robins] and have that arc) this batman is messy but its because its his early years, not origins new but new enough where people copying him (making gadgets[catwomen car n knuckles])will catch him off guard n he will grow wiser n counter them later making new gadets for himself but also the things he will deal with will escalate too(Mr.Freeze, Poison Ivy, Joker so on) so will his gadets n same for the villains as they are left to keep growing n living (better or worse[better Harley quinn joins bats later in stories but always start sided with joker[worse Jason robin becomes redhood])
I think the Harley episode was my favorite. I love HQ and the variations of her portrayal, but they've pretty much been shades of the same character while THIS HQ is TOTALLY different. She's her own person, making her own decisions and rules to her own sense of right/wrong/justice. Fascinating character, and her "playpen" was completely messed up and insano. I also loved the Easter Eggs with 2 of her "victims" - the 60s King Tut as well as the "Pagliacci" type clown which The Joker in the 60s Batman series once used as a disguise. There is a LOT of great psychological studies going on throughout this series with the various characters, including Alfred's handling of Bruce/Batman, and I agree that the first half of the season spent less time with Bats and the stories seemed rushed, and we do need Bruce/Batman to be more fleshed out, but I hope that will be in the coming season/s. I did like how they handled some of the villains, including the corrupt cops, and I thought that the Dent storyline was fine, but all of those also could have benefited from more time, but either they needed more episodes, longer episodes, or both to really give us more detail of the characters. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this interesting and promising series.
The show felt boring and not well fleshed out, but as a Batman fan I'm glad it's gaining an audience. I believe the series was greenlit with two season, so unless it's canceled there should be a second season coming.
@robertcook5417 Thanks for clarifying. I disagree. A show normally catches my attention, and I have an inkling of where it's trying to take me before the season ends. Even seasons with ten or fewer episodes. If these episodes didn't drop together, I most likely wouldn't have finished the season. I haven't had the urge to revisit or continue this show since I saw it, and I'm a Batman fan. I don't think this show is for me, and that's okay. I hope you and others enjoy it, and that's okay too.
Honestly, I kind of ignored this show because I felt like Batman: TAS was so good that retreading the same ground wasn't really necessary after the Arkham games, and would at best probably come off as later-season TAS. Thanks to watching video essays like these, I'm actually super intrigued now, since it sounds like they're mixing up the characters personalities and motivations so much, in a sort of Alternate Universe way. It still may not be for me, but only one way to find out.
I just watched the first episode. gotta tell ya, frame for frame, it is aesthetically sublime. It is gorgeous. The female Penguin is a surprise. Sight unseen, I hated the idea, but what can I say? Just now watching her, I liked her! A lot. Batman physically battling the big woman was great. She is so flamboyant I'm not sure she really is a woman. Staying in line with the woke undertones, he might be trans! Episode 1 was at least as good as anything in the BTAS. I recommend people give it a chance. It is good stuff. The quality of the animation and the writing overpower the flaws. Ironically the one problem I do have with it is that there are way too many black people and black people in many significant positions. You can't help but notice it, and it's just odd. Black people weren't police commissioners and top-tier actresses and district attorneys during the 40s. Nor were they detectives, It's got dark skinned people all over the place and it jumps out at you like something is wrong. It's like a racial uncanny valley.
They changed a lot of established characters and concepts (im not even referring to gender/race swaps). That's always problematic. It leads to the inevitable comparison with the original versions. If you change something you better replace it with sth that's nearly as good as the original and make sure that this change will not be followed in other series or media. Because those changes cannot be permanent, otherwise you ruin iconic and established characters and concepts. Im mainly talking about Harley. Anyway overall it was okay. The first episodes (besides ep 2) were really boring
I honestly don’t think they care that they “ruin iconic and established characters and concepts.” It’s already happened. Modern writers & producers are, nowadays, not really fans of the IP they tend to work on (whether it’s video games, animations etc) and there is always going to be an agenda to reshape that universe into their own image, despite how nonsensical or non-plausible it is in said IP universe. And yet Batman fans will still gobble everything up despite it being crap, hence season 2 is greenlit.
This show felt pretty woke with some of the choices made, but there were some actually good choices made. Batman had some good emotional moments, and a subtle clue that I really got a kick out of was Harley Quinn's mentor being casually mentioned as Johnathan Crane. It was just name-dropped with no fanfare, and it subtlety hinted at Harley being a bit of an extremist, before she ever revealed it. That makes me think there were other subtle hints sprinkled in, throughout the show.
Also just like Batman the animated series used technology from different eras to culminate into the iconic art deco style , this show is not set in the past. The style is just made to invoke a timeless retrograde feel, it’s not actually set in the 40s. so certain demographics being in positions of power isn’t that big a deal.
@@themariotucker in the show the year is never outright explicitly stated, which I believe was a decision by the writer deliberately to not contradict the social norms of that time. Perhaps linklater was simply referring to the aesthetic or the era of Batman the show was inspired by.
@@kursedmilk i mean a lot of shows don’t outright state what year they take place in but a lot of signs point to the 40’s. i feel like regardless of what stance you take it’s all assumptions. but whatever the voice actor in the show says i’ll probably go with that
I loved the show. The changes to the characters didn’t bother me, the batman has been around for over 80 years so I’m sorta tired of people complaining about changes when there’s already dozens of adaptations of characters that are each drastically different, I don’t really get wanting to keep thing the same forever that’s so boring and conforming. Honestly the problem isn’t gender or race swapping, if the character isn’t dependent on their ethnicity or gender to make them who they are at their core, then why not have a different interpretation? As long as it doesn’t over shadow the actual narrative of the story as some mcu projects tend to do.
This Batman set during 1930s. During this time there was extreme racism, sexism and it was illegal to be gay! So for that reason this show doesn't make any sense. That saying the animation is good.
Gave up at the first episode, was just messy hate watch bait for the crowd who always complain about things being woke. I knew immediately when I saw they made Penguin a woman and didn't do a single interesting thing with the character to justify that decision, they barely even made her act like Penguin she's just some generic mob boss. You could have replaced her with Falcone and it would have made no difference whatsoever, except at least Falcone has an interesting dynamic usually with his family, while Penguin here could care less about her own kids, which doesn't make her more threatening or interesting, it just removes any potential for emotional weight between the character dynamic. You're telling me they made the decision to make Penguin a woman AND give her 2 children who are at this point full grown adults she seemingly raised herself, and you want to do NOTHING with that relationship? What a waste. Hell even the voice actress delivers her lines cleanly like she's just a regular woman, and not some weirdo slimeball Penguin is supposed to be. Made it immediately obvious to me the show had nothing really new or interesting to bring to the table and was just going to be flat boring and generic and trying to get by on cheap easy outrage bait, so I wasn't going to waste any more of my time watching it.
@@themariotuckerits your delivery/cadence. But don't stop. Its performative but it authentically conveys your enthusiasm for the material. You are who you are, and that's enough. Own it and stand tall.
A lot of people are going to tell you it’s extremely woke. My personal opinion on some things are if it isn’t a crucial part of the story youre constructing don’t change it. the representation angle on a lot of things is pretty bad. instead of making new characters studios will change shades of already pre established characters, which to me isn’t real representation. back to the show however most of the changes i didn’t really mind or care, it wasnt bad for the plot at all, with that being said it didn’t really need to be there, it would’ve been the same either way.
Aside from some strange character choices (female penguin, black gordons, lesbian harley) I didn't really mind it too much. There was some character choices that I felt were better than others but it's not as bad as something like Velma where they expect brownie points to replace a good story.
@@nono9543interesting. yeah personally the black gordon thing for me is like alright cool, just don’t try to make that a central part of the character’s story when he’s never been like that. another thing that if this is truly the 40’s people of color were definitely not in position of power like he is 😭
@@nono9543 yeah, but this is called social engineering. Why push this? In our generation of Batman we didn't get that. Now this generation will. This really damages gender roles
chat how many times did i say caped crusader?
Don't do a drinking game
@@PeterTennantit’s over for me 😭
Velma: The hell are you supposed to be?!
Batman: Caped Crusader: I'm vengeance.
Nah bro the final episode at the end when he showed Rupert Thorne who’s boss by showing him that he COULD kill him, was cold.
@@robertcook5417 I know right!!
@@themariotucker especially as Thorne in the show sees himself as invincible and unkillable, makes the scene epic
I also love how distinct Hamish’s Bruce and Batman voice are. It’s amazing.
100% almost every 5 seconds i say lines from the show in his voice
Really feels like an homage to how Kevin Conroy was able to make Bruce and Batman sound like two different people.
Season two has already been confirmed. It’s in development now
Oh I didn't know
And Season 3 :)
Amazon ordered more seasons when they brought it…
@@SaberKing I doubt season 3 as they probably will not have enough viewing figures for show. If they do they will certainly will not do a season 4.
I hate how this show ignores racism, it would have been so much more interesting to see this time period actually being used. Still 8/10 tho
I kinda vibe with there not being attention called to the characters races and sexuality because it normalizes it. I think there’s something beautiful in that man
@@umjammerlammy9993 Yeah and that's actual true equality, I don't even think this show takes place in the 30s or 40s to be honest, its just looks like it because that what Gotham looks like in a lot of depictions. TAS took place in the 90s yet a retro timeless vintage look to it.
@@Mavericka96yeah but the things in the bat cave, and even the slangs shows it. men refer to woman as “broads.” or “dames.” is a term yes few men do use today however is was prominent and originated around that time
@@themariotucker true, but there is also swat team officers in the show and they did not come around to the mid to late 60s.
@@Mavericka96 i think peoples points are this regardless of it being the 40s, 50s, 60s this fictional gotham is taking a lot of elements from the past, so they’re saying take all and not cherry pick.
I'm hoping Bullock gets an arc where he becomes honest. I didn't like him being corrupt.
Its nice seeing the show not need to place itself time wise and have the 1930s-40s aesthetic but not have the war or anything irl interacting with it, this is a fantasy with grounded elements, this city's people is sick enough it has costumed people running around and cops and politicians are so corrupted it shows why Batman deals with [villain] every month like its a scheduled date of roughing each other up before sending them into Arkam to rest up for next fight, people are unwell in gotham and Bruce/Batman wants Arkam to work but its so corrupt all he could do is damage control(while having his arc growing to appreciate Alfred [maybe adopt the 4 robins] and have that arc) this batman is messy but its because its his early years, not origins new but new enough where people copying him (making gadgets[catwomen car n knuckles])will catch him off guard n he will grow wiser n counter them later making new gadets for himself but also the things he will deal with will escalate too(Mr.Freeze, Poison Ivy, Joker so on) so will his gadets n same for the villains as they are left to keep growing n living (better or worse[better Harley quinn joins bats later in stories but always start sided with joker[worse Jason robin becomes redhood])
I think the Harley episode was my favorite. I love HQ and the variations of her portrayal, but they've pretty much been shades of the same character while THIS HQ is TOTALLY different. She's her own person, making her own decisions and rules to her own sense of right/wrong/justice. Fascinating character, and her "playpen" was completely messed up and insano. I also loved the Easter Eggs with 2 of her "victims" - the 60s King Tut as well as the "Pagliacci" type clown which The Joker in the 60s Batman series once used as a disguise. There is a LOT of great psychological studies going on throughout this series with the various characters, including Alfred's handling of Bruce/Batman, and I agree that the first half of the season spent less time with Bats and the stories seemed rushed, and we do need Bruce/Batman to be more fleshed out, but I hope that will be in the coming season/s. I did like how they handled some of the villains, including the corrupt cops, and I thought that the Dent storyline was fine, but all of those also could have benefited from more time, but either they needed more episodes, longer episodes, or both to really give us more detail of the characters. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this interesting and promising series.
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it's his second week after all
i'll say it's more
Gotham Central
Than Batman
@@ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΑ-ε1ω LMFAOO
Harley in this show can get it 🥵🥵🥵
@@stinkywhizzleteats.3673 the voice changed my life
The show felt boring and not well fleshed out, but as a Batman fan I'm glad it's gaining an audience.
I believe the series was greenlit with two season, so unless it's canceled there should be a second season coming.
I mean neither does any show with 1 season and 10 episodes
@robertcook5417 I don't really know what you mean, but I'm glad you are enjoying the show. I guess?
@Make2wo no I mean like no show is ever gonna be fleshed out with a mere 1 season which consists of 10 episofrd
@robertcook5417 Thanks for clarifying. I disagree. A show normally catches my attention, and I have an inkling of where it's trying to take me before the season ends. Even seasons with ten or fewer episodes. If these episodes didn't drop together, I most likely wouldn't have finished the season. I haven't had the urge to revisit or continue this show since I saw it, and I'm a Batman fan. I don't think this show is for me, and that's okay. I hope you and others enjoy it, and that's okay too.
Honestly, I kind of ignored this show because I felt like Batman: TAS was so good that retreading the same ground wasn't really necessary after the Arkham games, and would at best probably come off as later-season TAS. Thanks to watching video essays like these, I'm actually super intrigued now, since it sounds like they're mixing up the characters personalities and motivations so much, in a sort of Alternate Universe way. It still may not be for me, but only one way to find out.
I just watched the first episode. gotta tell ya, frame for frame, it is aesthetically sublime. It is gorgeous.
The female Penguin is a surprise. Sight unseen, I hated the idea, but what can I say? Just now watching her, I liked her! A lot. Batman physically battling the big woman was great. She is so flamboyant I'm not sure she really is a woman. Staying in line with the woke undertones, he might be trans!
Episode 1 was at least as good as anything in the BTAS. I recommend people give it a chance. It is good stuff. The quality of the animation and the writing overpower the flaws.
Ironically the one problem I do have with it is that there are way too many black people and black people in many significant positions. You can't help but notice it, and it's just odd. Black people weren't police commissioners and top-tier actresses and district attorneys during the 40s. Nor were they detectives, It's got dark skinned people all over the place and it jumps out at you like something is wrong. It's like a racial uncanny valley.
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It's a Series that Needed More. And it can in the Future!
They changed a lot of established characters and concepts (im not even referring to gender/race swaps). That's always problematic. It leads to the inevitable comparison with the original versions. If you change something you better replace it with sth that's nearly as good as the original and make sure that this change will not be followed in other series or media. Because those changes cannot be permanent, otherwise you ruin iconic and established characters and concepts. Im mainly talking about Harley. Anyway overall it was okay. The first episodes (besides ep 2) were really boring
Fair take
I honestly don’t think they care that they “ruin iconic and established characters and concepts.” It’s already happened. Modern writers & producers are, nowadays, not really fans of the IP they tend to work on (whether it’s video games, animations etc) and there is always going to be an agenda to reshape that universe into their own image, despite how nonsensical or non-plausible it is in said IP universe. And yet Batman fans will still gobble everything up despite it being crap, hence season 2 is greenlit.
i heard that season 2 has been greenlit
This show felt pretty woke with some of the choices made, but there were some actually good choices made. Batman had some good emotional moments, and a subtle clue that I really got a kick out of was Harley Quinn's mentor being casually mentioned as Johnathan Crane. It was just name-dropped with no fanfare, and it subtlety hinted at Harley being a bit of an extremist, before she ever revealed it. That makes me think there were other subtle hints sprinkled in, throughout the show.
Nah its bad yall...
Also just like Batman the animated series used technology from different eras to culminate into the iconic art deco style , this show is not set in the past. The style is just made to invoke a timeless retrograde feel, it’s not actually set in the 40s. so certain demographics being in positions of power isn’t that big a deal.
in the comic con interview Hamish Linklater actually says the series is in the 40’s. He said that’s how approached his Bruce Wayne voice as well.
@@themariotucker in the show the year is never outright explicitly stated, which I believe was a decision by the writer deliberately to not contradict the social norms of that time. Perhaps linklater was simply referring to the aesthetic or the era of Batman the show was inspired by.
@@kursedmilk i mean a lot of shows don’t outright state what year they take place in but a lot of signs point to the 40’s. i feel like regardless of what stance you take it’s all assumptions. but whatever the voice actor in the show says i’ll probably go with that
@@themariotucker that's fair
Like the show, just think its been overhyped.
They should have talked and walked more 🤭
I loved the show. The changes to the characters didn’t bother me, the batman has been around for over 80 years so I’m sorta tired of people complaining about changes when there’s already dozens of adaptations of characters that are each drastically different, I don’t really get wanting to keep thing the same forever that’s so boring and conforming. Honestly the problem isn’t gender or race swapping, if the character isn’t dependent on their ethnicity or gender to make them who they are at their core, then why not have a different interpretation? As long as it doesn’t over shadow the actual narrative of the story as some mcu projects tend to do.
Watched one episode... Awful.
JJ Abrams in the credits, this is The Animated series 2.0, same as in ST & SW. The only Bane here is Originally.
Garbage.
THE END!
This Batman set during 1930s. During this time there was extreme racism, sexism and it was illegal to be gay! So for that reason this show doesn't make any sense. That saying the animation is good.
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Gave up at the first episode, was just messy hate watch bait for the crowd who always complain about things being woke. I knew immediately when I saw they made Penguin a woman and didn't do a single interesting thing with the character to justify that decision, they barely even made her act like Penguin she's just some generic mob boss.
You could have replaced her with Falcone and it would have made no difference whatsoever, except at least Falcone has an interesting dynamic usually with his family, while Penguin here could care less about her own kids, which doesn't make her more threatening or interesting, it just removes any potential for emotional weight between the character dynamic. You're telling me they made the decision to make Penguin a woman AND give her 2 children who are at this point full grown adults she seemingly raised herself, and you want to do NOTHING with that relationship? What a waste. Hell even the voice actress delivers her lines cleanly like she's just a regular woman, and not some weirdo slimeball Penguin is supposed to be.
Made it immediately obvious to me the show had nothing really new or interesting to bring to the table and was just going to be flat boring and generic and trying to get by on cheap easy outrage bait, so I wasn't going to waste any more of my time watching it.
and you know what that’s a extremely fair point. however despite its flaws the show does have some nice things to bring
@tinybass8747 let's be real, it's a good take, things change and u gotta adapt tbh
Nah dog, if the first thing they do is just randomly race and gender swap characters then I am simply not interested.
DAWG 😭 RACESWAPPING GORDON AND BARBARA ALONG WITH GENDERSWAPPING PENGUIN AINT THE END OF THE WORLD 😭
Why u talking like that? Ur not not a cool guy. You're talking about an animated Batman show
what 😭
Bro has beef with you, bro does not like you.
@@oneinsomebillions3264 ong on my meat for no reason
@@themariotuckerits your delivery/cadence.
But don't stop. Its performative but it authentically conveys your enthusiasm for the material.
You are who you are, and that's enough. Own it and stand tall.
so. how woke was it?
A lot of people are going to tell you it’s extremely woke. My personal opinion on some things are if it isn’t a crucial part of the story youre constructing don’t change it. the representation angle on a lot of things is pretty bad. instead of making new characters studios will change shades of already pre established characters, which to me isn’t real representation. back to the show however most of the changes i didn’t really mind or care, it wasnt bad for the plot at all, with that being said it didn’t really need to be there, it would’ve been the same either way.
Aside from some strange character choices (female penguin, black gordons, lesbian harley) I didn't really mind it too much. There was some character choices that I felt were better than others but it's not as bad as something like Velma where they expect brownie points to replace a good story.
@@nono9543Harley has always been lesbian/bi since the Harley and ivy episode in the original BTAS (it was in subtext but still) and has been since
@@nono9543interesting. yeah personally the black gordon thing for me is like alright cool, just don’t try to make that a central part of the character’s story when he’s never been like that. another thing that if this is truly the 40’s people of color were definitely not in position of power like he is 😭
@@nono9543 yeah, but this is called social engineering. Why push this? In our generation of Batman we didn't get that. Now this generation will. This really damages gender roles