The MOST BROKEN Comeback Mechanics in Fighting Games
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- Today we're running down a list of the top 5 most overpowered, most broken, and most unbalanced comeback mechanics in Fighting Game history! Hope you guys enjoy the list
0:00 intro
1:07 #5 Sonic The Fighters catch-up damage
2:46 #4 SF4 ultras
5:08 #3 KOF94 desperation attacks
6:49 #2 Power Rangers megazords
8:04 #1 UMvC3 X-Factor
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"look at the damage on Blanka's ultra"
Hey it's not that bad, they were just paying tribute to CvS 2 Blanka
We don’t talk about that version of Blanka, Mix…you know better
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!
blanka's most powerful supers in that game were retarded...i main him so in know....his supers are great
Sakura or bison was way more broken in that game
@@jivexturk3y can you explain why you think so cause I highly disagree
In the first Guilty Gear you get infinite access to Chaos Attacks (super attacks) when below 50% HP (as if there wasnt enough broken stuff there already).
That game is Insta Kill: The mind games Vs the ai continue
You could also infinitely keep attempting the instant kill(they killed that off in X as you lost your tension bar if you missed the attack)..
Cry.
D E S T R O Y E D
Guilty Gear is an AMAZING example cause as the bar gets lower you get more health lol
A pretty good honorable mention would be the Emotion Meter from Aquapazza. I have seen multiple clips of that game and people just dying off of one combo because the character was angry.
Aaaaaalrighty chat I ask you a simple question…
@@poblanopupp9966 LMAO yeah that's the first I had heard of the game and then I looked more about it after.
Sadly, aquaplazza is too niche. The poor game hasn't gotten a re-release, and with examu halting activities I doubt it ever will
Poverrrrrtyyyyy xD
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Doesn’t X-Factor also remove chip damage as well? Like you can block entire supers and take no damage!
You can also make everything you do safe on block and alternatively everything your opponent does unsafe on block.
I'm a tekken player that's normal
Yes and it will fill red life on the character and if you have teammates them as well.
i like how strider in umvc3 w/ lv. 3 x-factor gets the lowest damage boost out of the entire cast but the highest speed bonus
man just becomes a speed demon menace outmaneuvering everything you throw out at him so easily
He thrusts faster now ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
And hulk is the opposite getting no speed boost but like the highest damage boost
@@striderzer0 Then who gets the highest regen boost?
@@MangaGamified the healing is technically at the same rate so I guess you could say phoenix cause she has the lowest so it will refill faster
You can completely negate the chip damage from x factor level 3 Arthur when he does his projectile infinite by delaying your pushblocks to a certain rhythm
Does pushback cost a resource? Not too familiar with the game, but I know some games have it cost a resource.
@@LloydTheZephyrian in marvel? Hell no
@@LloydTheZephyrian no
@@sharodtg12 Thanks for the info! I didn't know until now.
One mess up tho.....
Hearing people both talk about MvC3 being the best fighting game while also hearing the same people shit on comeback mechanics and how they ruin games is something that used to make me feel like an insane person and it was SUPER common.
Cause we hate dealing with lvl 3 Virgil, we wish he wasn't a thing LOL.
BUT, we have things we can do to prevent it from happening. As HORRID as Virgil is in lvl 3 X-factor we have the tools to stop him. Snapping him in he falls like a sack of potatoes and has little to no options and must deal with a incoming mixup. So even though its still an issue even the worst teams still have options to mitigate it.
@@SkyHighClaw hey man Virgil being busted is just them making sure he's lore accurate
@@joedatiushe’s also lore accurate because he’s broken on incoming😊
Because x factor is more of a win more mechanic to alot of players, I'll gladly pop it to take out their point character any day or to extend a combo so I can get a HKD and set up mix.
Really depends on your team. Importance of lv.3 Xfactor really depends how important your anchor is.
Like for a Zero May Cry team you killing a character to set up and coming mix is way more helpful than lv3 Virgil sitting on the bench just in case Zero dies.
But a Dark Phoenix team or a MoriDoom would want to hold onto their lv3 Xfactor even if it means they might have to give up on an opportunity to kill a character.
I was NOT expecting Sonic The Fighters to show up. Honestly, I think that game gets a bad rep. It's a really fun Virtua Fighter clone (made by some of the VF devs!) with a couple interesting mechanics (namely, how it handles blocking). It's a shame the Ketchup system is so busted cause if it weren't there I could see this having a niche scene.
Excuse me... Ketchup what now?
@@zeroderorero3948 It's talked about in the video. It's a comeback mechanic. People call it 'Ketchup' because your health bar changes colors from green, to yellow, to red.
@@WaddleDee105 ohhh ok, i thought it was something else, thanks for explaining
It's not a good game man. Even with our simplistic minds back then who didn't care about footsies, game mechanics, or complicated stuff in fighting games, it was still boring, and not fun to play.
@@txcforever Ok. Nice opinion.👍
I remember, before they nerfed megazords, I could win somewhat regularly online in BFTG simply by waiting to the right time and activating. It lasts longer based on how many characters are dead, and when you are active the opponent could not activate theirs (this might have changed since then). So if you're on your last character, and they are also, and you activate first. . . Sayonara.
an intriguing FG but I'm just not too a fan of team/tag FG's only 1v1 characters
I'm surprised Smash 4 wasn't mentioned. Rage was introduced in this game, and made it to where the higher your percentage is, the more knockback you deal. It's broken in several ways.
1.) Some characters actually get worse with rage because the increased knockback makes their comboes harder or even impossible to do.
2.) Some characters, such as Mario, Peach or Samus could literally kill the opponent at 0% because rage affected multi-hit moves. Since the multi-hits usually have extremely high base knockback to ensure they connect into the finisher properly, doing a reverse up b could KO an opponent at 0%.
3.) Lucario already had a comeback mechanic of his own, which stacks on top of rage. If he's at around 100%, he can KO opponents below 40%.
4.) Heavies generally hit really hard, and rage only intensified this. DK could kill at around 50% with Cargo Up Throw to up air.
Ultimate fixed rage some by removing its ability to affect multi-hits and reducing its general power a bit. It still screws over characters who don't want the increased knockback on their main combo moves.
So?
@@DANCERcow It's a broken comeback mechanic.
Then again, another one was pulling out a pocket Cloud or Bayo.
@@LloydTheZephyrian stay mad? Lol
@@DANCERcow you give a lot to the convo ngl
This is a scrub quote
Sailor Moon S has the same desperation system as Kof94 with infinite supers at low health. all I know is Venus has a plus on block desperation that does a ton of chip damage and does like 50% if it hits you. so I think in some matchups if you get stuck in the corner when shes at low health she kinda just dunks on you and you die lol
It looks even sillier than that on paper.
Venus desp is 14f start up and then it has five different hitboxes that do about 10% of your life on chip, 50% if any one of them hits, and and 75% on counter hit. Dumb guard cancels on the fourth hitbox will have you take counter hit on the fifth and just die.
Thankfully this doesn’t happen all that often between it’s short range and Venus slow speed.
Justice in GG1
Popping in to say One) Kinda surreal seing Sonic the Fighters in a JMCrofts video. Two) StF does have a fairly small competitive scene, believe it or not. Three) Ketchup can get really insane in some cases. Bark esspecially can just knock you down from full health to almost half with one strike when the life-gap gets big enough from my experience.
Yee
Not sure if this counts as a comeback mechanic but in One Punch Man: A Hero Noone Knows it's a 3v3 arena fighting game if you select Saitama you're effectively forced to fight with only 2 characters until the Saitama timer runs out and once it does you're treated to playing with Saitama who's invincible to all attacks and literally one shots everything.
That's pretty true to the show.
Wouldn't really count as a comeback mechanic because you have to be evasive to wait for the timer to run out, or do well in the fight with dodges, counters, and long combos to speed up the timer. If you're just getting your head kicked in, you'll never actually get Saitama to show up. It's more like a reward for doing well than pity for losing.
Yeah, also Saitama was an annoying mechanic because if you just run and play slippery the whole game you still get rewarded with a win
The only ranked fight I've ever done where I got saitama actually out, my opponent also did so. And won the regular saitama v saitama fight.
Best part is, this is optional.
Yes, even if you still want to play as Saitama. Dream Saitama is an option.
The most cursed practitioner of X Factor is definitely Dark Phoenix. Her projectiles. Just everything. Once she transforms with x factor I just put the controller down. Lol
To be far, dark Phoenix without xfactor is already broke and it just adds to that. Vergil is top tier normally but becomes broken with xfactor
Always click when i see your lists. They never fail to be interesting. Covering games from all eras and it seems no topic is too obscure or granular that you wont cover it. Always a treat.
As a person that played a lot of Marvel 3. Vergil still gives me PTSD, Everytime i heard "Now I'm Motivated" My Rectum would instinctively Clinch.
I NEED MORE POWER
great to see ya back making this kinda list content, love them so much and I get to learn something about old games I used to play
(had no idea that low health + full bar on KoF 94 was almost instant kill
Interesting, I had assumed that those ultras in SF4 actually would scale back a bit to prevent that type of comeback, and give the fighter which had the upper hand for most of the match one last shot to win...if it was close enough.
I think SF4 has damage scaling depending on how much health you have left. Basically you lose less health when you have less health.
One thing to note is that what is being shown there are level 2 Ultras, when most of the time you'll only see level 1 Ultras. Damage in vanilla certainly was higher but the difference between a normal and max charge Ultra can be around 200 damage.
It wasn't really the ultras. It was just a few characters who had low scaling and really good ultras that they could combo into. It was a decided minority. SF4 over its entire lifespan had pretty lopsided matchups all over the roster.
@@Zetact_ What are you even talking about? There was no "level 1" nor "level 2" ultras. Why are you making stuff up?
If you lose half your health (or with white damage), you can use your ultra. The more health you lose, the more your ultra meter fills up, and the more damage it does.
@@user-jc2lz6jb2e Exactly. A max revenge meter Ultra does a healthy bit more damage than the Ultras that you'd normally be seeing in a match.
Yeah in Samsho 5 special there's a pretty significant comeback mechanic called State of Nothingness. With it you can slow down time for your opponent. Making everything they do extremely slow. Including their recovery after being hit. Allowing you to create custom combos for the duration. Which can easily lead to 90% damage. Some characters even have ways to combo into State of Nothingness.
However, it's balanced by two factors. One is that it requires you to sacrifice your Rage meter for the rest of that match and two, that it can only be done on the game winning round for your opponent.
You brought up UMVC3's X factor but not Dark Phoenix. Level 3 X factor kept Dark Phoenix, a ridiculously strong character who had sharp health drain for a good reason, alive longer and buffed her further. If a player had Phoenix on their team, you knew they'd try to keep enough meter to unleash Dark Phoenix as an anchor and trigger X factor right then and there.
Xfactor lvl 2 have Phoenix bullshit stuff as well.
That’s less of a comeback as it is a win condition though. By that logic exodia is a comeback mechanic in yugioh.
I remember that at tournaments someone would run Wesker + Haggar + Phoenix and would always just clean house with Lvl 3 XF Dark Phoenix. When Wesker died, Haggar would usually die quickly after because of the Lariat assist spam, then they'd always have 5 bars for the DP super. Then they pop XF and just melt all the remaining opponents since the damage buff of DP + lvl 3 was so broken.
great video, i find the more obscure games mentioned and portrayed very intriguing and enjoy these list videos.
lovely work.
As a pure UMvC3 player, definitely can attest that XF is crazy broken. Most characters have an infinite to varying degrees of difficulty (Iron man, Phoenix etc) and swag (Doom!), but I still wouldn't have it any other way.. Dark Vergil is dumb, hate watching DMC/Vergil anchor teams, the epitome is which is the Zero May Cry (Zero/Dante/Vergil) team.. always skip watching those matches... and MorriDoom shells... ugh...
Thanks for the video! Appreciate your content :)
Wolverine XF was broken in both MvC3 and UMvC3. Akmua in MvC3 XF3 you can cancel from hurricane kick to Super and repeat. Zero was the best character in the game but the main issue with him was his health and you can only run him as point.
X Factor may be broken but ive had so many hype comebacks... also gotten stomped on by it. Either way i love it still
Doom/ammy shells are absurd as well. Honestly, UMvC3 has absurd shells. I used so many. Ammy/morrigan. Strange/Ammy. Most characters with doom or Dante.
@@Rhy2412TitanGamer For real though with Doom. Follow my lead... so good. I love how broken that game is lol. Firebrand/Skrull incoming, Hulk/Haggar, basically anything with DapVip's team lol (Dirt nap+Repulsor blast so OP).
I genuinely love the hype UMvC3 generates.. such an enjoyable game to play and to watch lol Yipes commentary etc..
@@psicho9217 Totally agree lol. Love seeing the "5 golden letters" matches though too haha. XF3 Arthur is broken af lol
EDIT: whoops, 6 instead of 5.. ugh, too drunk haha
Always learn something new when watching your vids. Keep up the great work
I like these types of videos. Gives me insight into the "history" of fighting games I am not familiar with
Good ol' Vergil, staying true to his character by showing up in the revised version of a game and being completely busted in the process!
A storm is approaching...
He’s still only 5th
Yeah , I love it when you do these sorts of videos. Not necessarily a list, but just covering an interesting niche topic in fighting games, like how wild E.Honda or T.Hawk were.
The "legendary match" videos were great, too.
Super fun list! Am a super casual fighting game fan, so this definitely helps me understand and appreciate fighting game history that much more.
Dude I'm loving your videos, its really reigniting my love for fighting games
I'm curious how Fatal Fury 2 would have ranked on here considering it started the Desperation Moves thing for KoF94. Also the MAX meter being full in KoF94 isn't really an SDM so much as it is just a damage boost from having a full bar. SDMs didn't show up until KoF96.
I was thinking about the same thing: Fatal Fury 2 and Fatal Fury Special. I played a lot of them back in the day. They basically had the same mechanic of infinite supers once the bar was flashing but at the same time they did not have the same mobility options as KoF 94. So I remember it being even harder to deal with some of the supers, like Joe's or Terry's.
On the topic of KoF 94, The Last Blade also does that. You have your regular Super but when you're health flashes red you get to do your super for free and you get access to your Super Duper.
GNT4 has an amazing come-back mechanic with teleports. You gain meter from dealing and taking damage, and whenever you are in a damaged state (even if you are thrown and flying mid-air) you can press a single button, teleport next to the opponent and hit them with a cross-up that sends the opponent back to neutral. You can do this at any point in the game, as long as you have half of your meter full. and remember, getting hit also fills your meter, and you get this whenever you are in any damaged state, even mid-combo.
It really forces your opponent to respect your meter and play fair or they might over-extend and get countered
I don't think that's entirely fair to call it a comeback mechanic, it's more an intrinsic mechanic along the lines of a traditional combo breaker, and yes I'm speaking as someone with probably more experience in the clash of Ninja series than anybody else in these comments (so far)
substitution is not really a comeback mechanic since it’s tied to meter
Also agreed that substitution/KnJ and teleports in Clash of Ninja or later Budokai games don't really count. For the former, that's 3/4 meters and some players use KnJ safe combos anyway.
Same goes for Burst though I guess some games reward it for getting hit mid-round as a bonus resource. Early BlazBlue only gave you another one if you lost one round, but you'd only get two in total.
Alpha 2 giving the round loser a nearly 10% damage buff is pretty broken, especially for characters with multihit specials and supers the damage difference becomes quickly apparent
Absolutely loved this video. Checking out necro video now because he is freaking AWESOME. You and I have the exact same character tastes. Youre a beast sir
I know many people hate V-triggers in Street Fighter V but I've always really loved that mechanic. When your opponent activates it feels like you're entering the second phase of a boss fight and have to rethink your strategy. And if you're up against a bad player then you can figure out when they're about to use V-trigger and punish them or just use V-reversal so they waste it.
I totally agree with you! What I personally love about VT in SFV is that you have to think about how you manage your V-gauge. “Should I use it for my comeback mechanic? Or should I save it for my defensive options? (V-shift/V-reversal)”
This is why I personally think that VT is one of the more interesting comeback mechanics because there’s at least more to think about when using your character’s V-gauge and how you want to play around your opponent’s V-gauge!
Agreed. I feel like people who complain about vtrigger are flowchart type players that feel like their agency gets disrupted by it. And even then just have two flowcharts xD
i think for the most part its not really that people hate the v triggers on its own, after all they are very fun to use, flashy and enable alot of unique mechanics and combos. i think the hate comes from sfv generally favoring agressive gameplay over defensive, no chip kills other than supers and most characters have no reliable ways to even apply a significant amount of chip dmg without putting themselves at huge risk. this results in these szenarios where lets say a dhalsim player dominates a game for 90% of the match slowly poking down his opponent, but than he has to take a huge risk to actually finish off his opponent, now his opponent reacts correctly to 1 teleport, and dhalsim loses 30-40% and is in the mix wich could lose him the game in an instant. now lets say this dhalsim fights some high dmg rushdown with an explosive v-trigger like Balrog vt1 or G vt1, and now dhalsim is more likely to lose 60+%, get cornercarried stunpressured and is in the mix of off 1 mistake, meaning even if he was working on a perfect until that moment, it was literally 1 mistake and he not only lost his advantage that he worked hard for, but actually has to guess now to stay alive. this feels really unfair all together, i think in sfv as it is any kind of comeback mechanic would get hate because it amplifies what feels unfair already
...and then dhalsim gets vtrigger or his reversal options. So both players get the same options. All this bitching is therefore pretty braindead. Git gud scrubs
@@f.ganzeru2563 that's fair i get what you mean.
Honorable mention: Rage (and Lucario's aura) in Super Smash Bros.
Not broken though!
@@misato4eva how? Sm4sh rage literally let some characters, mainly Lucario, kill in 1 interaction, sometimes 1 hit. Rage tipper f-smash single handedly let Marth win some match ups. Sm4sh rage was awful and was deservedly gutted in ultimate.
Pity final smash is an actual come back mechanic. Rage is just a character mechanic
I know purists or vets don't like rage in Tekken 7 but it was one of the main reasons I finally got into a fighting game. I honestly love it (except for the characters that have broken rage moves).
It always felt like whenever I'd attempt to get into one I'd just get wrecked by some person who could spam certain moves and combos and I never even get a chance to find my bearings.
That was something that used to turn me off from the genre as it seemed the main qualifier between you and someone else was more time and ability to memorize a sequence of buttons.
But rage gave me as a newbie a way to create breathing room; either on landing or the threat of me using it.
It's not an auto win as they're easily blockable (from most characters), only take out about a 3rd of health, and will create enough distance at the end to reset the momentum, but the threat of it kept me dangerous even when I was fresh.
And now as a decent player it has expanded my moveset. I can work it into combos, faint it and do something else, or tease it out of other players and then punish.
Or you do a rage drive instead. I do wish you can skip the cutscenes though, even my own, as it gets tedious but overall I like how it forces players to strategize and not just mash.
great video man!
Can’t think of anything crazier but I loved this video :)
I would have definitely placed #2 as #1 as a Grid player but I appreciate that they're pretty close! Great video JM, keep up the good content.
The most OP comeback is splashing your opponents beer in their eyes at the cab
Ty for all of your videos
The worst thing about X-Factor was that it could be used defensively in blockstun. Bringing your opponent down to their last character means you have to open them up somehow because them blocking means they can instantly turn any blocked attack unsafe and immediately touch of death your current point character.
That look on 3:09 was god like. 😂
Imma be that guy, but rage in smash 4 was stupid. Having a high knock back moves were crazy, you can have Mario down throw, up air juggle, then reverse up b and dead. This made Lucario even scarier, and Bayo even stronger if she had rage.
Lucario wasn’t that good in smash 4 but yes
I've gotten so used to seeing X Factor pop at all points of a match, for early ToD and lategame superrallies and everything in between that I've almost stopped seeing it as a comeback mechanic and just a general one-time "eff you buddeh!" button.
UMvC3 was my debut in finally into fighting games, played some when I was kid but not really put much thought into it. Never really thought X-factor was that broken cause I never put too much time in other FG's
Elena’s Ultra 2( the Heal ultra) is still really busted in usf4
It's so hilarious to me that such a miniscule life heal is considered broken in SF coming from BB, where you can find much more powerful healing mechanics.
I mean, it’s way less than sf3 elena’s healing which is about half health in sf3 (or about 1/3 for a short healing iirc) it’s just that sf3 elena needs to actually decide whether to use EX moves or healing
@@Skallva the issue is that healing is her ultra. She gets access to a healing move by getting damage.
It's dumb lol
@@Pandaman64
I mean I get why that's the case (heals = more ultras = more heals) but then I look at Celica's full heal setups and I can't help to find it kinda funny how similar mechanics can have different effects on different metas.
The thing is, I think Marvel 3 was so popular because of that x factor. Every match could potentially have a comeback from a comeback from a comeback. It made every fight unpredictable, and tense. From a spectator's point of view, it was very entertaining. And of course more people watching it made more people play it. Even now, I don't think there are any fighting game tournaments as hype to watch as Marvel 3 was.
Does that make the game better for the players, though? Well, that's a different question...
Bit of an obscure title, but Evil Zone had manual charged super moves similar to KoF. The difference is that the bar you have to fill matches your remaining health. It's not as broken as infinite super attacks, but when you're at low health you can charge multiple bars in an instant.
awesome vid!
I really enjoy the content where you talk about old ass games, their mechanics and characters.
The first hit of the ultra I was like "it's not that bad" and then BOOM 70% health gone
Sonic The Fighters is actually a really good game , but catch up damage makes the game absolutely unplayable competitively even though the rest of the game is pretty solid...
Oh I have a GOOD one. [ One Piece Grand Battle Rush! ]
In that game "ultras" escalated on your missing HP, meaning that hitting an "ultra" under ~25% did RIDICULOUS DAMAGE, I remember the thing pretty much OHKO (but my memory could fail here)
To top that off ultras weren't hard to hit and depended on character. Arlong's specifically would just dive on the ground and resurface with a HOMING TELEPORT ATTACK AT ANY DISTANCE.
I still have flashbacks.
So it’s a super, not a system mechanic, but Shadow Labrys’s Titanomachia in Persona basically means that if you can’t take her from >36% to 0 all at once, you’re automatically on the back foot no matter how well you were doing before she entered Awakening.
Rurouni Kenshin MKR Kansei (PSP) had an amazing mechanics comeback mechanic. If you lost in the third round with your super bar then your super bar would become your HP bar! Yes you would reincarnate with a cool anime dialogue and that new HP bar will slowly deplete. In that meantime you will be invincible, kinda like in a focus attack state and do increased damage. It really changed how you managed super meter. Such an underrated gem. Nobody heard of it bcz it was for PSP only and released in Japan
I remember one time my buddy was learning to play fighting games and getting good with SFIV Chun didn't get hit even once except two Geif ultras and lost and rage quit so bad. I thought it was hilarious.
I remember someone once said Smash isn't a fighting game because it doesn't have comeback mechanics. Firstly, that's untrue because Rage is a thing in the last two games-it was particularly stupid in Smash 4. Second, the comeback mechanic in Melee is your other stocks and getting good.
don't listen to them, y'all have a fighting game
The absence or presence of comeback mechanics is just an attempt at balance.
Stocks fit more into rounds but without resetting character position. The angel platform might count though even if it is only a few seconds.
FighterZ Sparking. It's toned down X factor but nutty with the options is opens up in combos that and mixed with another comback feature, "limit break" (where you have only one character left) it can lead to easy touch of deaths
wasnt there also a hink with x factor that you could use it to cancel out of your own blockstun wich resulted in straight up punishing save moves on block?
didnt really play umvc3, but thats what i heard
Paul’s Phoenix smashers been a comeback mechanic since Tekken 1
In kof 94 there was a full life kill glitch with Heiden and Chin. If Chin jumped at you with heavy kick and you trade with him with the anti air cut you could win the match up immediately,both versus and against the CPU
The Super Desperation attack was not in KOF 94. That was introduced in KOF 96. The desperation attack in KOF94 and 95 was powerful enough in itself.
Toshinden battle arena also had the system of once you were in low enough health to use your super moves, you could spam them till you won. It wasn't a very good game, but this didn't help it's cause. Some characters like Duke could one shot people with their low health super. (if someone tried side step it and mistimed it, it would count as a backhit and one shot you.)
Jmcroft my dude! You got to get that brian_f combo!
5:01 I mean, Cammy's face tells you everything you need to know about Ultras
Having infinite Supers when your live bar was red comes in reality from Fatal Fury 2. SNK keept that mechanic in a lot of his games from that age (the Fatal Fury/Real Bout series, the KoF Orochi Saga and the '98 Slugfest, Kizuna Tag Battle...)
KOF 94's Desperation Attacks actually came back for Capcom vs SNK 2 in the form of "S-Groove". It was a really cool throwback mechanic that havent been seen in years, but nowhere near broken
As someone from the sonic the fighters discord, i can say that the catchup mechanic is busted but this has seen at least seen some tournament play
3:48 how funny is it that Zangief’s critical art does more than half your HP now. History repeats itself
This video made me ask myself what would people consider a good comeback mechanic? Or is it the idea of a comeback mechanic in the fist place that its what people dislike
Ultras were always lame. They handed your best super over to a separate gauge and made your 4 stock super suck. Completely backwards and you had to see those long animations constantly.
Tekken rage and X Factor marvel are hilarious. I have seen so many comebacks from these two games.
K-Groove. Up to 3 lvl 3 supers in one round, 12.5 percent defense buff, 35 percent damage buff, destroys guard meter.
Oh and most damaging lvl 3s in the game. Every groove has different damage supers
I'm surprised I've yet to see anyone mention Sparking Blast, or Limit Break from Dragonball FighterZ, when on your last character you get 20% more damage and a free bar of meter from Limit Break and with Sparking lvl 3 you gain another 20% damage buff, more meter from hits, health regeneration, can cancel normals into jumps, and you can perform empty vanishes that let you teleport behind the opponent and start/continue combos, plus the activation of Sparking is a combo extender
The re-release? I'm here for it homie
An honorable mention is Rage in Smash 4 (Wii U). For those of you who aren't intimately familiar with Smash, damage taken is equivalent to an increase in knockback when you get attacked (which affects combo routes) and your stock (basically a life) is lost when you get hit far enough off the screen by an attack. Characters are generally balanced around how efficiently they string combos at low damage percents and how easily they can hit you off the screen and kill you at high damage percents.
What Rage did was it increased the knockback on ALL of your attacks, scaling on how much damage you have taken yourself. It was intended to make it easier to close out a stock at high damage percents, which it did, but it also turned TONS of low percent damage combos into guaranteed kill setups, which completely destroyed every aspect of the game's balance. Characters that were never intended to kill you easily at low damage percents were suddenly one shotting you with basic combos because you didn't kill them early enough. The competitive ruleset had the game set to two stocks, so losing even a single stock early to a bullshit Rage combo was absolutely devastating and incredibly frustrating.
I've always thought a mechanic like the Sonic one would be fun but rather than adjusting damage according to whether or not you're at greater health, you add startup frames to moves as you do more damage, and remove lag frames from the end of moves as you take more damage. Obviously with something so powerful you'd have to build the game to be balanced around it. But surely if it did manage to be balanced (not a certainty by any means), wouldn't it feel so skilful? Having to change your combos and pokes as the match went on depending on what happens, and stuff like that. Maybe blockability could even ebb away as the match times approaches zero, adding yet another layer. I wouldn't envy the playtesting but from a fan perspective, the mouth waters.
i remember thinking it was really funny they brought back early snk desperation moves when they put Terry in smash bros and it did end up being super good for him and made him a lot stronger than the street fighter guys in that game bc of it even in spite of fighting game characters feeling bad in neutral in smash bros
Lol, I saw the title and I already knew this video is about MvC3 Dark Phoenix X-factor 3 or Virgil without any support.
MvC3 is still the most hype game to watch. I try to tune into Havengers and TampaNeverSleeps weekly tourneys when I get the chance!
There's that Kizuna Encounter one where the only way you can do super move is when you're on red health
And they're both infinite and extra extra powerful when you hit
TMNT Tournament Fighters on the Genesis has a similar desperation system to KoF94 that's a bit more broken. Michelangelo has a similar projectile to Joe that also stuns the opponent. Zachary1021 on RUclips showing how some other characters can loop desperation moves into each other or set up unlockable TODs. The only downside to those moves is you need to press taunt so you can't mess up the motion input.
A Sailor Moon fighter on the Super Famicom (I think there's 2?) has spam-able desperation moves and some were ridiculous.
The thing about X-Factor is that the boosts vary by character and usually just made them better at what they were good at. Hulk got 0% speed boost even at Lv.3 and I'm pretty sure Strider's Lv.3 Damage boost was lower than most Lv.1 Damage boosts. As such, characters with more balanced boosts got way more out of XF, and guess who got a pretty even spread? Vergil.
In the original version of SF4 Gouken's backthrow did no damage and therefore had no scaling, and you could get his full animation ultra after it. Bottom line being he could throw you for 510 damage. They pretty quickly changed it so his backthrow did 1 grey damage, nerfing it from completely ridiculous to just 'really strong'.
Very interesting choice putting Sonic The Fighters here!
I really expected you to show a happy birthday or even a merry christmas with level 3 x-factor decimating an entire 3 character team in one combo...
I love UMvC3, it's so broken and it's amazing
Lythero and I Heart Justice are great :D
you didn't even mention that you can activate x-factor IN BLOCKSTUN, so a lot of moves that are normally safe or part of a tight blockstring can be x-factored out of and punished, likely with a kill combo. the opponent can react and activate their own x-factor to save themselves though. also an option for magneto being chipped by arthur up there!
I always thought the clash system in Injustice was silly. You could do a long combo that requires a lot of inputs and does decent damage, only for it all to be cancelled if the opponent clashed and had more meter than you.
Battle Area Toshindan (most probably spelt incorrectly). The two bosses, pretty much had critical arcs that drained all your life. The main boss was Gaia, can remember the other boss’s name.
The Instant Kill "destroyed" in previous Guilty Gear. That was an incredible mechanic back in the day, knowing that the opponent can possibly kill you in one signe hit, that was something
SCVI gives you one bar and a half if your opponent is at his at his match point, giving the player a significant boost that he did nothing to achieve, opening up to Soul Charge (install) and Critical Edge (super) and other minor but useful possibilities, which in some characters are beyond busted.
dnf duel awakening on striker, she literally TODs you off of a single punish because she gets 30% extra damage in awakening; also just being low in dnf grants you 200 meter so she can also spam special moves (which is not that special), its just the combination of the 30% with special move spam that makes her able to TOD you when she gets low!
Sagat went from Top Tier to near bottom tier fast in SF4. I remember in vanilla SF4 I had like a winning streak of like 109-11 before I stopped playing (I have a pretty short attention span in video games, can't stick to one for longer than a couple of months at a time). Returned back when the second version was released (can't remember the names, was it Ultra or was there a version before that) and suddenly he was trash.
Decapitation in Time Killers has to be the ultimate comeback, no matter how far behind you can instant win.
My eyes bugged out of my head at that Blanka Ultra. I had no idea vanilla was so busted.
I really like comeback mechanics as long as it's given to both players as more of a second chance
Like in fighterz you can get a win with limit break and it's hype
Respect to you for showing off Sonic the Fighters still a good af game I wish there were more goofy fighting games.