You Won't Believe the NEW 72v Sur Ron RANGE!
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- 👀 My Sur Ron Upgrades Below 💯
As promised, this is is my 72v battery sur ron range test follow up video riding the same route to the hollywood sign as we did with the stock 60v battery. If you want to see the improved range of a sur ron with an upgraded 72v 38ah battery, this video may help you get a better idea of what you can expect riding a high power surron electric bike at reasonable speeds in street riding conditions.
👀 My Surron Upgrades
🟢 Comfort
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🟢 Power/Speed
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✔ Battery: 72v 38ah
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🟢 Handling
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See what happened on my top speed run 🤪 ruclips.net/video/nj287kFgCGM/видео.html
ceramic brake pads with floating vented front disc was the only combination of brake formula that I've ever used and had an effective long lasting result when riding electric bikes. this combination makes the brakes feel as effective and efficient as a motocross bike(or dirt bike as you call it in the states). I built an off road ebike 13 years ago and ran it to work 5 days a week for three years, this said you can imagine how much I learned and experimented over the three years until finally I got it nailed😉. Great vid I'd love to have the area and terrain to play like you have. have fun dude enjoyed watching this adventure.
Russell from UK
Thanks for the tip and the comment, ride on brother 🤙
Epic trip! What a vast improvement! Thank you for your comprehensive breakdown and comparison to the stock battery. Stay safe out there ✊🖖☮️🙏
Thanks for watching! Happy riding
Hey, I think the cutoff your experiencing when your battery is getting low is the controller's over current protection. Power = Volts x Amps, as the battery voltage drops, the motor current has to increase to provide the Set Power on your controller.
Either try decreasing your Motor Phase Amps on your controller or decrease the Max Power.
Here is an comparison for the current required to achieve 10 000W at different voltages: (Battery amps and not Motor Phase Amps, Phase Amps can be over 3 times Battery Amps)
10 000W = 84V x 119A
10 000W = 72V x 139A
10 000W = 60V x 167A
Try decreasing your phase amps to 400A and try it again when your battery voltage is about 65V to see if it still cutoff.
To much Phase Amps is what can fry your motor. Decreasing Phase Amps a bit on your controller and keeping the same Max Power will not be that much noticeable above half battery, however you will loose some torque on take off when the battery drops below half battery, but you will increase your range and reduce the motor temperature while prolonging motor life.
Cheers
Dan
Thanks for the detailed comment man, I had a feeling this was the exact issue. I’m going to drop the phase amps to 400 from 430 and see if that fixes it. Happy riding man!
Ac motor?? dc to inverter to ac ?? as the motor turns slower while being put under the same amount of resistance less of the motor gets more of the heat - the motor is a electric field expanding and collapsing less volts less expansion smaller collapse a battery has current limits the controller produces the ac wave either the controller is limiting or the controller is failing to maintain the drive wave less volts less expansion less collapse , not sure how this bike works - im looking at buying one
I have the 72v battery upgrade on mine but also (after some engineering) added gears, chain, and pedal assist. This helps range and hauls ass even more especially up hills!!
ive done my test. I get 70km 100-10% on stock surron battery. This is riding mostly in eco. Max speed im going is 50KM. Mostly crusing around 30-40km.
Hell ya been waiting for this one
Just ran into your YT's. Nice sensible upgrades much along the lines I want to do. I receive a new Sur Ron in a week or so.
Gonna learn it stock... Liking your 70/38 batt. Range looks good. Wheelies look easy. Like you I will be figuring out what I can get away with on the streets - gotta keep it real. Keep up the good rides & vids. 🙂
You're livin the dream bro. Looks like a fun day
I traded a beautiful 03” turbo Sentra spec v for a spanking new 22” surronX maybe the car was worth more but I got all the fun I could and hit the budget cut after 7 yrs so the Sur X was nothing but a reincarnated version of the fruits of my labor and the instant gratification of the free feeling of riding is comparable.
From what I understand... this is considered a motorcycle and requires a title and plates- due to the lack of pedals, and also there is no restriction for speed. Many will be getting tickets as law enforcement becomes more aware I'm sure. I may be wrong and actually would like to see no restrictions... Will be interesting to hear other comments.
They need to put more videos out. Of them speeding and doing wheelies. That way they can crack down. Mess it up for others.
Beauty of being so small if you evade it's hard for them to justify backup. Just canly proceed don't be a hooligan but don't stop. They'll leave you alone in 5 to 10 minutes
Since you can order it with pedals and it doesn’t require a drivers license or anything they can’t really give you tickets, they can try and stop you but you could easily get out of any situation
I want one of these so bad, being broke sucks
Get one on a payment plan... I barely scrape by most weeks after I get my paycheck but I have just enough to make a payment on my bike
Or get a second job and work hard for it so I can suggest
I have the gle bac8 with thumb regen..I dont use my breaks anymore ...I also don't have any cut outs..I ride way harder then what you just did and have not had any problems with slippage..no overheat..and she doesn't lose power as the volts drop...your not going to melt your motor running 12k..I run 15k on 1 mode and 7k for mode 2 for noobs that wanna ride her...my total so far is 84 miles with 21 percent left..average was 16mph with many 40 mph pulls for fun...72v 38ah battery is all you need..next upgrade is the KO motor ..she runs 30k...so 15k is easy street...
Sweeet. I think skipping the motor calibration may have caused this? 84 miles in one charge is insane, you must be a featherweight! Crazy to think you even need a motor upgrade with those numbers, have fun riding!
What an awesome trip! Griffith is such a great place to go!
Excellent video, I really enjoy your rides. It would be really cool to be able to ride to the places you can from your house. Next we need a top speed pull from full battery and then some off road stuff.
Coming soon! Thanks man, yes the places accessible here is amazing! Been really getting out into some new territory with the new range!
The best upgrade :) Thanks for the testing, its helpful. Cheers !
Try to see the voltage under high current at lower battery percentage. You may be triggering the low voltage protection in the Battery Management System.
Good point, thanks for pointing this out!
I second this. Voltage sag can definitely trigger cut offs. You should be able to see what your LVC is set to in your Eggrider too.
That thing shifts 👍🏼
It’s great u can ride it anywhere ‘legally’
😉
Awesome man, was waiting for this vid! I wonder if it would be prudent to carry an extra primary belt and if it would be something you could change on the side of the road? I would love to see you screaming down the 405 with a full battery... subscriber request 😀! Safe riding my friend, greetings from Germany 🇩🇪 🍻👍
😂 may have to do the 405 soon. As far as changing the primary belt on the fly, it could be done I’m sure, but it seems to be a pretty in depth installation procedure. You need to take the whole rear end off, etc, prob not something you’d want to do on your first attempt doing it 😆
i converted mine to normal chain with gears. And I carry a spare chain and chain tool!
Great video/analytics 👍🏻
For an expensive bike like that, they could give a great battery and room for another extended battery for more range
Peeps in Cali so much more chill than dc. Five minutes on a trail on the sur Ron and I’ll get screamed at five times.
😆 I’ve literally never encountered someone mad about it, just curious and intrigued about what it is
@@JuicedJoyrides that’s awesome. All the Karen’s around here make it not fun to ride a sur ron. I can only take it on the street here and most roads around me 60 mph is moving traffic, even on the upgraded battery it feels dangerous
67V would be the bottom line on where you would want to deplete this 72V battery, that correlates to about %30 left ... Are my calculations correct OR am I missing something here ?? TY 4 TA VID !!
It looks like a blast!
The new power and range make it a whole new experience, I’ve been doing 50 mile rides out in the mountains all week
I did a small range test but my average speed was a little over 30mph, my results were a bit different lol. Making me want to get rid of my mini motos I feel like they eat battery
What was your range going 30+?
@@andrewcolpo7593 Long story short, Started at 81v ended at 73.7v, rode 16 miles total. For more in depth I have a video.
@@ethanweckwert That doesn't seem very good, Is that about right for your bike?
could be the low voltage cutoff at heavy load, protects the battery
that power cutting off is probably the voltage cut off protection. Battery low, voltage low and when u gun it the voltage sags tripping of that low voltage cut off protection. Lithium batteries are very finicky, they like to stay within a certain range voltage wise. Not too high and not too low. Outside its happy range, you stress the battery and it will start to degrade exponentially faster. Thats why people say don't charge to 100% all the time and also don't take it to 0% all the time. Between around 85% and around 50%, if you keep it there most of the time you will get a battery that will last thousands and thousands of cycles
True true, thank you for your comment!
8:23 YO is that franklins house from GTA 😂😂
Damn Fr 😂
Nice test and with a good Result!
But ...
A Stock Surron is around 4.7k in $!
In Europe Over 5 plus the big 72v bat Raises the Price up to 7.2k😱
Some Extras and You passed 7.5k
Thats a lot for a Smal Ebike!
Bringing your channel- I’ve been inspired
I think 30% or 67 volt is the cut off for the chi battery
15:33 lol, when riding surron you got the access all areas pass it seams 😂
Haha basically how it feels
You should ride the 138 from the Cajon pass to lake Silverwood
Top speed test¡!!
Soon, I’m scared 😬😃
Bro i love these videos, they're so interesting and helpful cuz i might get a surron soon!
Thanks! They’re fun!
You let that scooter launch on you like that 😱 next time show him the juice⚡️
😂 I was so angry at myself, I was trying to time speaking to the camera with the light change and then smoke him, but I messed up the timing. I didn’t upload the after wards clip but I yelled f***. On another note, his scooter was surprisingly quick.
@@JuicedJoyrides lol I figured something happened
your belt drive will start slipping if you give it too much you will hear it make a unique throwup noise haha. those motors can take a good 3x their rated power but NON for constant full power. The waste heat from the extra juice being pumped into it will wreck it. the bike should be fine with 15/30 seconds of full power boosts. you might be getting bad voltage sag at the end there where youre having those strange cutoffs in power
Thanks for the tips, hope to never hear that vomit noise 😂, I was thinking your theory may be right, also maybe because I skipped the motor calibration 😆
Great video brother!👍.. can you tell us how much gains a fully stock surron gets with a 72v? The best first upgrade is the battery right? Bcs you get power plus range an I right?
In that little plaza he is cruising in there is a Chinese food place called little Beijing and their food is really good
I’ll never modify my surron. Reliability for the win.
That’s what I said too 😂, maybe I’ll regret it one day soon. So far it’s been awesome 😜
Nice info , still on fence whether to get one like 72v up grade nice views
It’s a lot of fun, but I could understand hesitation, considering the price
Just remember if you get a 72 v yoy have to have a new controller right way or if you go at the 60v you can use stock till you get a new controller and the new controller will open the battery up even more
Hey I just got my 38 amp hour 72 V battery and I got the qs8 wire I know you got the same battery I'm just wondering where did you put the wires I'm having a hard time figuring it out where to put it on the side or inside the lid just curious to see where you put them
great vid!! thumbs up....peace out
Nice vid. Ty. When you mention “stock battery” were you comparing a stock “bypassed or non bypassed” battery? Ty
Stock bypassed, which probably isn’t much different then stock at all because when I rode out there I did not utilize high power, I was just cruising at the same power level the non bypassed battery could do
@@JuicedJoyrides
Thanks. Have a great day.
The new sting with the gear box is way quieter with no belt.
Love my sting its quiet but not silent
hey man i love your videos i was wondering if you could tell me what phone mount you have on your surron?
Have you had any problems getting pulled over in la? I’m planning on getting the same bike in a few weeks and I was wondering if I’m gonna have to dodge cops or if they just don’t pay much attention? I live in Hollywood if that makes any difference. Do you ride on the freeways or do you just stick to surface streets? And what mods have you done so far?
Im super happy I just found this video and I gave you a follow.
Ps you passed my apartment around 5 minutes in 😅
Haha small world, no cops probs, dude have you seen Hollywood? It’s a free for all over there as well as the rest of this city 😂. Sometimes I do kinda suck and dodge a bit haha, but just try to ride respectful. My channel homepage shows all the mods I’ve done. Happy riding brother!
@@JuicedJoyrides when you say you duck and dodge a little bit, how are you able to do that sitting at a light in traffic with no plates? I assume you have either no job or no car or neither job nor car, or, most likely, no job or car you care about
@@opl3sa in California you're allowed to lane split
I have a Talaria, I’m not sure how chi batteries work with them. This was a good video. I just want to know, was your speed 15 to 20 mile per hour the whole time?
They have a whole section of Talaria bstteries on most battery sites im looking at chi.I plan on getting the 60v 75ah so I can still use my stock controller till I can afford the controller I want and get a ton of extra range in the meantime the only problem is I'm Canadian and these batteries are twenty-seven hundred bucks plus $318 shipping USD that comes out to about 4100 bucks 😭 canadian
Would you get better range and top speed with street tires?
Probably could have better performing street tires, mine are designed for 70% street riding. They’re a bit heavy, but they roll well, I’m learning they don’t do great on dirt
app ??
Where did you get the bike and what did you end up paying orginally? And for the upgraded battery?
4500 for bike around 2300 for battery upgrade
good video
Thanks!
Shimano. I've got them on my Giant, they seem to be alright
That's interesting so I guess the 51 ways to much and effects to bike too much anything else you don't like about it I'm going to make the decision by next week to go with the 38 amp hour I just like the way it looks in the bike way better
The average speed of 18mph is interesting. Top speed isn’t always relevant.
What phone holder were you using in this video? Thanks
Yeah dude I really want to get to 72 volt 38 amp hour I'm wondering are you happy with going with the 38 amp hour and not the 51 amp hour
Definitely, the 51 would’ve made it weigh far too much
So if I get a Surron and put a 72v max or 60 max I would need a better chain? And would a bac 4000 or 8000 be better?
stock chain works, i wanted to try a new one for better efficiency. bac8000 is better technically, the 4000 is plenty to handle the power upgrades ive done. it seems the first limiting factor would be top speed of just under 80 mph, not that theres any reason to ever go that fast on one of these...50 feels sketchy enough!
Yeah I understand . So the chain doesn’t really matter? Cause I bet it would be sketchy to go that fast on one of those
Yeah that. Bump is peak. Then drops out. Ie low batt ..
sweet, wish this is how they came stock. what are you doing with your stock battery? keeping it as a back up?
Planning on selling it. I think one day bikes like this will come like this from the store, it’s all just kinda brand new still
Are these street legal in California?
I have a great idea 💡 for a video, put 2 road tyres /semi slick no wider than 2.3" on her then do a on road test doing 15mph ,see how far she'll take you .Nobody as far as I can see has put narrower tyres on for a supermax commuter range test,make sure you carry no extra weight and don't have breakfast 😉 🤟💯🙏🤠
😆 I like the idea, I’ll take it into consideration. I think I saw a guy do an extreme range test cruising at 15ish. Ultimately that is the real key to the longest range, just go 15mph steady and have the most boring time of your life haha. I’m working on a new top speed video at the moment, having struggles getting over 70
@@JuicedJoyrides And you must have narrower tyres for less friction, pumped up HARD,haven't seen anyone do a vid with narrow tyre's on.You don't look very heavy so you could getaway with using 1.95 tyres, although you may have trouble finding any with the size of wheels these bikes come with.
Yup, still super loud
Many locations I recognise from GTAV. 😉
What is the price on this upgraded battery?
I have a video on my channel showing all about the battery, $2300
@@JuicedJoyrides so $3200 in battery/controller upgrades alone???
@@mct8888 yep
@@Ryan-uh9le that’s insane. I’m gettin eBeast.
So would you say controller and battery upgrade was worth it?
For sure, these upgrades change the bike from a toy to a beast
Have you seen the KO motor? If you are worried about frying the stock one on 72v look into the ko motor. Ur Bike would be a set up power wise after that fs. Im looking at getting their controller/motor kit if I go 72v.
Did you get a new controller as well?
Yes, I have a review of it on my channel, it’s the bac4000
Did you find out why it was cutting the power? Thanks
I did, I think it was because I did not do the motor calibration, it might be because my phase answer to high as well, I will update in a future video
Is it possible to keep the same performance with the 72V battery as the original but only get increased range?
To a degree, but 2 60v batts (or simply a larger 60v) would do better ... Better suited to increase range
Did he say what his weight was?
I weight 195 lbs, 6’5”
@@JuicedJoyrides Thanks, did you ride your 12kw mode the whole ride?
@@JuicedJoyrides damn big guy
What app were you ising?
Strava
Ya but is a bit chuncky for the seat aha
I want to buy one
If your that Concerned turn it down too 8000w someone else runs his at 12000w and broke his belt 🤔
I saw that video, trying to take it easy 😆 also I wonder if he got a stick snagged in there or something
so how much was your new bat?
Made a video on it, like 2300?
Can you please consider a fluffy kitten theme for it painted instead of black?
absolutely, this may be the perfect wrap. pink?
@@JuicedJoyrides No. Don't patronize me. You know full well that fluffy cats or even a labrador would provide positive connotations and show positive externalities like wonderful comments from onlookers. I'd recommend a Maine Coon cat or a Nowegian forest cat. You know they're fluffy and cute. If you want 'edgy' dark and batman like: you ought to have a physique with latissimus dorsaii and medial deltoids to get that v-shape. Superhero physiques deserve superhero bikes. You are clearly that of a long distance runner type so have some sensual and softness to it and put some cat or doggo stuff on it to suit your sensitive side and looks. Make sense? Thank you for reading.
Has anyone had a fried motor from the bigger battery? I've seen broken frames, a battery in flames once, bent hydraulics and tires but never a worn out motor.
the motor is strong af, all the motor upgrades are a cash grab it seems
@@JuicedJoyrides thank you for replying. Do you think the motor can last long term with the battery upgrades and modding? Wouldn't it get a little too hot and kill the magnets? I've seen a person on RUclips water cool their motor and get 23k Watts at 50 centigrade (their words)
@@freetobe3 honestly, like you said, I don’t think anybody is really having problems with the motor on this bike unless you do something absolutely insane
@@JuicedJoyrides thank you. I need to save up to get one, they're so cool but paying for registration adds another 1k to the bike and my wallet is pretty empty as is. Oh well, we'll see. This would do great on the small island I live on.
@@freetobe3 what island?
Hey! If you’ve considered buying a second Sur Ron, I’m selling my 2022 with 114 miles on it in San Diego! Have purchase order and everything it comes in the box as well! Selling for 4300 but I’d do 4k for you. Let me know!
thanks for the offer man, i don't have any need for another bike in my small space :D why did you decide not to keep it?
@@JuicedJoyrides Roger that! Going to be moving to the Philippines soon. Probably just going to do a Honda supermoto build there.
Did you sell it?
@@stopper90004 not yet. It’s on offerup in San Diego. Listed at $4500 but I’ve got wiggle room.
So is that street legal can you get it registered or do you need to?
It’s a grey area
Did you ever get the Bike to work with eggrider off?
Yes! Thanks to commenters, possibly you? I found in the EMB app I needed to switch to 72v and do a motor calibration as well. Now the bike works like how it did before, planning on showing that next video!
@@JuicedJoyrides yes it was me I have a 72v so I knew the problem. Glad you got it working!
that belt wont break.. wheelie guys run this set up
I hope not!
mines a 53 ah battery
I was really interested in that one, I have to admit I feel like the weight of it might be kind of a lot for a bike that was so light at one time. How do you feel about the increased weight?
@@JuicedJoyrides they have 63 ah one now
blows my mind how people perceive battery capacity. i like my battery to be at least 3kwhr per 100lbs of vehicle.
I used to run a 72v 70ah. a battery just over 5kwhr and it still wasn't enough range for me to be happy.
Especially with surrons. it seems like 10% of the possible range is eaten up by the inefficient dual drive chain.
but it's whatever. still love the surron lol
the non o-ring chain helped with the power loss in the drive train,
how did you feel about the extra weight of that battery? that thing mustve been HUGE haha
@@JuicedJoyrides I can see that. I used an extremely loose (55hz) belt to help with some of the loss.
With the weight of the battery it was pretty heavy. I wanna say at least 180 pounds. I took off all components that werent needed like the tilt sensor, 12v inverter, the turn key ignition, the locking mechanisms for the lid and the lid itself, all the plastic trimmings, etc. everything bare bones. I even lost 30 pounds to compensate for the extra weight. eventually me and the bike both weighed 180ish pounds lol. but it was super fun. managed to get a nuc24f and blasted my way to 85mph before my motor melted lol
Can you take your older battery with you for even extended range?
, Yes definitely possible, not sure how much fun it would be riding around with a 25 pound extra battery.
@@JuicedJoyrides make a mount or rack over the rear fender.
lmao, you know how heavy that battery is? @@Huntersmokescrack
The way this dude says sirrrr RON… Watched a lot of your videos, great videos but for some reason that irks me 😂
My motor did that before it went out….
😆 what happened? Push it too hard?
Subbed
Thanks dude
Heat up the motor 🤔😳
It’s holding up strong still
your's sounds louder than usual ..
......The downside is that between an 4000/8000 BAC controller + 72V 38AH battery you can almost buy a New Surron !!
Biouti foul!!!
I wonder where he purchased that bicycle ???
Ha ha ha
😆
15 mph average is pretty slow...
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Calories? Lol wtf
Plz plz plz say sur ron in one word surron not sur ron it is very annoying
Haha, you got it
why don't you keep this off a bike lane
I can't believe y'all are buying these surrons for $4500. So I should have no issue selling my custom carbon fiber 2004 Buell xb9s for $10000.
Complete waist of time and totally inaccurate..know one is going to ride around at 15mph ..could do that on a peddle bike ..😂 😂
What a waist 👗 🩲