Fixing the X3M's harsh ride with MSS' Ride Management System
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- Опубликовано: 23 апр 2020
- When we reviewed the X4M last year we noted that whilst it handled well, it had a very harsh ride, making it fairly unpleasant day to day especially when you consider it is an SUV not a sports car. Owners of the cars agreed with what we found, and MSS knew they could improve upon the situation.
Knowing the kit had been in development for a few months we were keen to get an X3M in to test out, and see if MSS really can fix that harsh ride BMW gave the car. Spoiler alert, it definitely can!
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Thank you for putting this review together. We bought a 2020 X3 M thinking it would be a great family vehicle. The stock ride was unbearable, but the MSS springs have transformed the ride. The car is now enjoyable and handles better. So glad to have found out about this product.
Hey mate do you know how much installation for the springs cost?
@@amantawni2478 $800 for the springs and $500 for labor. I had to have an additional adjustment after I drove the car for a week and it was another $100.
would you say that the harshness is similar to a stock x3 or slightly harsher?
Hi James, do all the stock steering, suspension, response settings (3 buttons next to hear shifter) still work the same after the install?
so it handles even better with less stiff springs?
Great vid....I'm now convinced I need this kit on my M4. Will definitely be in touch as you rightly say after this Covid-19 situation gets better!
Looks like a great shop with a very competent crew.
Great video thanks this helped my guys install the mss suspension because they were having some trouble but your video helped keep it up!
Wow, what great video, respect to this channel, nothing but awesomeness...
Love the look of this X3 M
The "data" showing the ride quality, I assume the spikes on the graph are shocks experienced by the vehicle. And since there are way more blue spikes than green, would that not indicate that the MSS springs at stock height and MORE harsh? In fact, the lowest spikes on the entire chart, are the stock BMW springs?
Also, does the suspension still stiffen up in sport/sport plus like normal? And does it void the warranty? Nobody else cares enough about these things, to warrant addressing them in a 10 minute long video about the springs?
I see the bottom springs in the mss kit are made by Eibach, do they also produced the orange springs? what are the springs rates for both? Thanks
Do these mess up the camber not allowing you to get the alignment into factory specs after they settle in?
Any chance this system would work on an e70 m sport (n55)?
Keep up the good work chaps!
For the 2020 BMW x3M Competition, what video review I look forward to seeing.
EiBach vs Ohlins vs Nitron coilovers.
Which is offers the most supple ride, least body roll and the best value.
That review, I think, would Trump any BMW x3M Competition video, out there.
Can you please recommend an installer for this system in the Miami FL area? Thank you.
How harsh is the stock ride vs an M3 Comp oem springs?
Can I install this on my 2018 X3 M40i?
Sorry, I’m not an expert on the subject.
Great video mate, that fitting edit bit in the middle was off the scale good 🔥 This is what all X3M owners need, makes a average UK M car into something that it should have been when it left the factory 👌 Be interesting to see how many current owners actually put their hands up now and admit the stock ride is unacceptable and upgrade 😉👊
Thanks Joe...I was reserving judgment until I got into a car with a bit more mileage and have now driven a car with 3k miles and it was the same. My F90 had softened up a lot after 2k miles or so.
Thx Joe. It was my car and I knew the score I was waiting for MSS and pulled the trigger when it was on the market. It was just low speed ride (nursery commute that was the main area of concern)
Evolve Automotive sorry but are you saying that an x3m with a few thousand miles rides the same as a new x3m fitted with the MSS springs? Sorry just a bit confused as not sure whether to order MSS urban springs or wait for a few thousand more miles? I just need more comfort. Thanks
@@vc8160 No, that an X3M with a few thousand miles rides similarly to a brand new one. I was hoping the suspension would soften up after a few thousand miles like our F90 did. The MSS is a big upgrade.
Evolve Automotive ok thanks for clarifying, very much appreciated. Thanks for the great video work on your review👍
Is there a kit of these for e90 M3s ??
Do you use torque wrench for wheels? 5:45 and again bmw quality 5:20 rusted strut after 2k miles?!
How much for this kit fitted ?
How much did this cost in total?
Brilliant vid
Thanks evolve! I wish I washed her first lol
It was my car guys fire away with any questions :) it’s the complete package now just ignore the fuel economy. Post RIS the performance is staggering and a bit ridiculous I can well believe the 0-100mph time of 8 secs. Don’t worry about torque max produced below 3k and if you are in logic mode 3 and sport plus it’s just jaw dropping
Hope you’re enjoying the car now it’s riding better! Suppose you haven’t had a chance to see if it passes the wife and kids test yet with nowhere to go 😬
Dazza B You requested it to stay at factory ride height, right? Thoughts?
Also, are you referring to the tune? Which stage? I haven’t seen what other parts you have. My SS exhaust is gonna take forever, with Italy down...did you do a DP?
...also, was there a big difference when changing the EDC settings? I had a 5-hr drive home from the dealer, and I was like...adaptive suspension isn’t all that. Shop foreman said, “Dude, you have 21’s...what’d you expect?” I guess I didn’t think of that. My winter set is 21’s and the Pirelli Snow tires were super soft, compared to how the summer tires feel.
Hey Dazza B (and Evolve) I've got a 2017 BMW M2 and I'm looking at fitting some MSS Springs to the car. Just because I've come from a 5 series and I find the ride to be a bit harsh in the M2. My question though was does it take away from the performance around corners the car had in its stock setup?
Evolve Automotive thanks I think I will need to take the long way to the supermarket :)
Thanks for this video. It is amazing that the lowing makes the ride better. I am still under warranty so I am not sure if I want to do this now or not. Looks so much better lowered and doesn't look lowered just looks more angry. :) If that makes sense. BTW I don't know if you know but your steering wheels are on the wrong side. LOL! Joke!
There are a glut of these available in the states with less than 10k miles because of the awful suspension. I was gonna get the X3m40i after driving the two, but this seals the deal. Thank you MSS!
What are the best charge pipes you recommend for the original M2 (N55)?
Masata
Just ordered a set. I was debating on springs...especially with the money and R&D on a new vehicle. Most ppl switch for aesthetics, and I’m the type to at least get my money’s worth from the OEM parts.
That green M3 that got MSS, didn’t look too hot...maybe it was the height settings. I’m sure they adjusted it after testing it out.
That green one was done for the customer do he could check clearance on his drive way initially
What's the longevity and reliability like on these... ive heard a few cases of them failing?
There were some issues on the early kits which have been rectified now.
Good video love the car
How does it work with the M Adaptive suspension settings?
As it retains stock dampers the EDC settings work as expected, and the MSS compliments the damper adjustments each mode makes
Did it come with PS4’s? Most x3’s had the contis which are meant to be so much harder than PS4’s
Yep they use two tyre brands I got lucky with MPS4S :)
Does MSS have any plans to offer a kit for Porsche 991.2 cars or other Porsche cars ?
Yes they are working on Porsche at the moment starting with the 718.
Would this system be an improvement to the stock system of the M40i as well?
Similar effect yes
Hi! Owning x3 M40i from 2020 and unfortunately without the adaptive suspension. It rides on 20’’ with RTFs and i (and my 1 month old baby) find the ride quality too stiff. Do you think MSS would be of a help here? I am pretty sure m40i is not as stiff as X3M but still...
I’d imagine it would help, but ditching the runflats would also help, along with going down a tyre size. It really depends what you’re feeling. The harsh stiffness on potholes etc is more likely the wheel/tyre, where a more general stiffness could be the suspension.
@@EvolveAutomotive Thanks for your comment. It is all about the potholes.. Will test the 19” in couple of months and in the meantime any recommendation for a tire with good ride quality? The set up os 245 front, 275 back so not that much of a choice there..
We always recommend the Michelin where it is available.
The MSS will help in a pothole situation but I imagine your bigger problem is the tyre size and construction.
Great info and I would come to your shop in an instant! I live in Atlanta USA and I want to lower my ride height on my X3M comp but still ride like stock or better which I feel from your information and my better roads I will accomplish that! Thank You!
Hey I live in Atlanta too (Norcross) and am looking to lower my X3MC as well. Let me know if you find a good pro at a decent price.
@@Culprit_ANU congratulations! A lot of people seem to like eurofed there are several but Duluth is probably closest. I live closer to iconic automotive in Suwanee. I have spoken with them about doing Springs and sway bars on my stinger. Of course they have a good alignment machine also. With those 2 cars I have no money but the stinger needs help bad with its handling. I am fine with the bmw I just don't like how high it rides and looks but with a lower cog it will obviously handle even better and the mss springs ride even better than stock according to evolve. Cheers!
Nice work once again, the X3M isnt something id pick if I had the money but its still a smart looking car. Hope you guys stay safe at this time 👍🏾
What would you pick ?
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Is the avus blue E39 M5 an employee car? Seen it in a few videos now.
Yes that car is an employees.
Evolve Automotive that’s some cool employee parking! What mods does it have? You should make a video of it.
The x3's now are like the same size as the original x5, and they look great. Kinda makes you wonder why you would buy an x5 unless you want 7 seats.
fozpringle1 X5M is more comfortable, V8 and has a proper sized fuel tank to give decent touring range
The handling isn't even as close to as sharp as it is in the three.@@Anders_HeymSR30
love my 2015 x3 35i xdrive facelift, stock drives and handles perfect. tesla eater. feels way better then my old lexus is250 and my vw tdi sportwagen. razor blade like handling. bumps, pot holes, and sewer covers make a harsh sound is my only complaint about my x3.
is mss springs the best for the x3m?
They're our favourite for ride comfort and handling.
What mode are you testing the suspension? This car has BMW active damping- So did you guys test Conf-Sport or Sport+ ??? This is import data. Guys did not test this? Or where not aware of the cars setup?
Of course we are aware. The test was done in comfort mode
Evolve Automotive You know for people like me that are very technical it makes me nervous to install the suspension. I was seriously considering purchasing this for my 2020 M2 competition. But I feel like there’s not enough test data.I feel like this has not been properly vetted I feel like there’s no mention of how this is affecting the dampers long-term there doesn’t seem to be a lot of test data just seems lotta marketing to get people to purchase it.
If you are looking for the sort of test data an OEM produces, then without waiting for time to pass, I don't think you're going to get it from most aftermarket companies. The budgets and setups required to do intensive testing that can condense years worth of use in to a sensible time scale during development of a product are simply not attainable for non OEM level companies.
What I can say is that the MSS suspension is developed correctly, by engineers who specialise in that field. They understand how dampers work, take in to account their safe operating range, making sure the kit does not allow the damper to bottom out or operate outside of that which can cause damage. It is one reason why the MSS kit may not go as low as others, because of MSS' consideration of keeping the life span of a damper to an acceptable level.
But if you are that worried about fitting springs to existing dampers, but want the improvements, I would suggest looking at replacing the dampers as well with Bilsteins along with the MSS kit. Depending on your car that might mean losing EDC if Bilstein do not offer an EDC compatible damper solution.
Evolve Automotive Thank you for an honest reply I will take that into consideration appreciated
Does it drive better with the mss suspension than the x3 m40i stock
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I’m wondering the exact same thing. Have an M40i that I want lowered and increased in comfort.
Hi Imran Can one retrofit the same setup as seen on the M5 comp on a M8 comp GC?
What do you mean by setup?
@@EvolveAutomotive the spring setup from mss
Will need to check part numbers and confirm with MSS but I would be surprised if MSS didn’t have a kit or weren’t going to produce one.
@@EvolveAutomotive Can't wait still.
Drop an email to sales@evolveautomotive.com ✌🏻
I wonder whether a non Comp X3/4M would have a more forgiving ride or not.
In theory yes, but sadly we don’t get them in the UK.
@@EvolveAutomotive I had an X3M for 3 months, and found the fuel economy and lack of touring range, combined with the harsh ride too much. In an F90 M5 which is superior in all ways, and gets better fuel economy, and the ride is sublime
Mss is much more comfortable then stock suspension for X3m and I’m proof of that first hand experience
How much did installation cost man?
Waiting for this health crisis to pass so I can get the MSS kit fitted by yourselves.
Imran are you still open for business during this lockdown?
We are for mail order and remote tuning. Our workshop is closed to the public. As soon as we/the government feel it is safe and responsible to re-open the workshop we will!
@@EvolveAutomotive ok thank you
The one thing that turned me off about this car was all the reviews of the suspension. I’m hoping this ships to the us so I could potential purchase one
Yes shipping to US is no problem 😁
Stay safe be safe and healthy
I don’t know why people say the ride is harsh, if you owned any other M car you will know the x3m’s ride is rolls Royce compare to an M2C
It’s a fuckin SUV. Not that hard to get
Need to teach your mechanics to loosen fasteners by turning the nut and not the bolt, otherwise it's a great video!
Sat bang on
Does lowering your car void your warranty?
Any modification to the car can void the warranty, or parts of it.
Gerard Bourne it will only void warranty on suspension related stuff, eg if you have engine problems you’re still all good. Speaking from someone who works at a main dealer👍🏼👍🏼
Agreed - I still have factory springs so they could be fitted would be a PITA but the option is there
This video is a 👍.
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I'm confused. He wants aftermarket suspension at stock ride height. It's a M car? Please help
Wants to improve the ride but not change the aesthetics at all.
No free lunch - BMW uses stiff springs to control a heavy vehicle with a high center of mass. I agree these ride too stiff stock, and what is the point of having what’s supposed to be a family utility type car be so stiff? The X3 M40i is much more balanced and makes more sense and has plenty of power.
Unfortunately, it doesn't fit all the issues with that car. The engine's mid-end power band simply doesn't fit that package. It is not torquey enough. :( Slammed down it looks stunning and needs a bigger set of wheels ;) You can see on camera that it is more comfortable. Nicely produced content piece again!
Thanks Marc - and yes the engine is very linear for a Turbo Charged SUV. Feels like it is artificially restricted.
@@EvolveAutomotive #emissions
I don’t find this at all it’s a traditional high speed engine. Max torque is around 3k. If you are in sport and drive logic 3 it’s like a stabbed rat. M modes make this easy. Economy mode is a lie anyway :)
@@darrenb7372 what is drive logic 3? at the moment I feel every time i drive my x3m it drives differently somedays are louder than others. I do enjoy putting it in sport plus everything and pressing the start button then instantly flooring the accelerator for Massive pops and bang. Let me know what you mean by Logic 3 drive
Stuff hey just press the little button on the gear selector so you have three bars (can be saved with the m buttons too) it’s keeps revs higher and changes are super aggressive and feel instant.
It's actually looks better sitting a little tall!
Some prefer the look of the OEM ride height, which with MSS you can set and still get all the handling and comfort improvements!
install Michelin Sport 4 All season and your ride will be nice and 50/60% better and much cheaper....
People: buts sporty car
Also people: this ride is too harsh
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4:52 wtf is that?! Bmw quality?
It's just for NVH, doesn't have to look pretty.
Stiff suspension is part of the X3 platform since the very first oneI don't know why people aren't aware of that it's a signature move on their part and it's a vehicle who styling is evolutionary
Because the people complaining are soft bitches. I wonder what was lost on suspension to make their ass hurt feel better
Say goodbye to your 3 years warranty haha
4/50,000 but yeah
...and they say its a chic's car!!! LMAO.
They do?
BMW can’t win. Make it stiff and people complain. Make it soft and people complain. I have the X3M Comp. It’s not stiff as people say.
Ein Geländewagen tiefer legen, ha ha , was für ein Mist
It was fine until you started propagating over social political discourse