Great comparison Chris. I’m a huge fan of the immersion that you get with a 120 - 150” projection screen. I personally would do a 98” - 100” TV over a 100” UST. I love that we have options because we all have different needs.
Hey Mike!! I was genuinely surprised by this comparison. Going in I thought a TV would be a clear winner but the glare and terrible viewing angle made this a tough decision. Although I love a 120”+ screen, that only makes the projected image even dimmer than 100” which has me sticking with 100 in a bright room. To be fair that’s what the 135” in the basement is for though 😁😁
The other thing to consider is eye strain. I have a 85" tv and a 112" projector. I watch both from a 3,5meters distance (11 feet) and with the lights off I always choose the projector. It is much better for my eyes - even with a bigger screen. The HDR make things even worse for the TV, forcing me to turn on the lights and having a worse "cinema" experience
100% agree on the immersion factor. Projectors can't be beat when it comes to immersion. Less distractions and you "feel like you are there". Personally, I would not do a projector under 120", get a big TV for that. If you do have a nice basement where you can control light and put a 120"+ projector screen on the wall, then you should do it! I think when it comes to projectors and needs, most people probably can use both. Use the Projector for movies, tv shows, and social gatherings. Then use the TV in the living room for gaming and casual TV viewing. Best of both worlds!
@@JS1066 and if only the movies are in the dark in the evening, but the room has white ceilings and this is the living room. I think a projector would also be better. And another question for 120 inches of the screen - from what distance do you need to look? I have a distance of 3.5 meters from the screen-what do you think an alr screen would be better than 110 or 100 inches?
Ultimately doesn't "immersion" really just boil down to viewing angle? I mean yeah walking into a room and seeing that impressive projector screen is nice but when the content is on its really just a matter of screen size and distance away. So you can get the same immersion from a 100" TV that you can from a 150" screen you just need to be 50% closer.
Glad you did this comparison. I heard Youthman dismiss all UST projectors saying he’d prefer the TCL TV you had in the video. Good to see someone doing the actual side by side comparison instead of guessing.
One of the best videos I've seen in the is projector vs large TV space yet. Would. Love to see a video of short throws image quality on screens larger than its recommended size.
Id go for the projector. Had rear projection my entire childhood and I like the fact that it had the more natural looking image with better viewing angles
I've had standard ceiling mount projectors for the past 13 years, and I'll never go back. Viewing angle, absolutely no reflections, massive size, and crystal clear images MORE than make up for lower contrast and need to dim the lights. Find a projector that outputs at least 2500 lumens and the only thing which really kills it it sunlight. I also find that reflected light off a screen is easier on the eyes than rear projected light.
its not though, its just the camera does not pick up the viewing experience, just the illumination. when side by side the tcl is very obvious its pixels and you can see the gaps. needs to be 12k at that size to be free of the screen door effect.
I have the AWOL and it is AMAZING! One big problem with TVs is they reflect any light source. The glare is a killer. With the AWOL and ALR screen, it is big, beautiful and no annoying reflections. And, as always, your videos are great. Take care!
Love it, great video! Keep up the good work! Projector fan for life over here. I don't ever want to go back to flat panel TVs with all that annoying glare happening during the deep deep black scene in your movie/show/game among other benefits like being way easier to move if you move to another house, etc.
Love the video! I purchased an Epson LS800 about a week ago and so far I love it. I decided on making my own custom 120" screen using Elite Screens Designer Cut CineGrey to save a few bucks. Building the frame was easy.
Great overall video but for those who don't already know, UST projectors are not the only [or usually best] options available so it's a bit misleading to only include them and use the results to describe projectors in general.
I have that 98” TV, you have to turn off that energy saving option to really get the full brightness of it. After I did that, no matter what angle I stood from, the tv looked amazing.
The brightness drops significantly at an angle regardless of power settings. This isn’t just a characteristic of this tv. It’s the same with most large TVs.
Unquestionably a tv will be brighter and have way more contrast. However, sometimes the look of projection will draw you into a movie way more than the surreal picture of a tv. Also i tend to sleep better with projection watching than a tv
Man Projectors are so comfortable to watch, sure picture quality is not as tv but it's so immersive, bigger, comfortable to watch and not a bulb shining in your eyes.
I went with 98 inch TCL, based on my room dimensions, a standard projector could only display image of 100 inch, small kids, so they would definitely destroy a short throat projector. Saved a few bucks going with the TV. Use the extra cash to upgrade my speakers and receiver.
Would like to see the 100" Hisense U8K or TCL 98" QM8 as they are currently on sale for around $3k and would probably be the other option for those considering a Formovie Theater of AWOL 3500 @ approx $4,000 - $5,000
This video was actually going to be on the Hisense U8K but it was sold out. That being said, it still suffers from a lot of the same viewing angle issues even though it has much better overall picture quality than the TCL.
@@ChrisMajestic Let’s be honest here: who is watching a TV or projector at these screen sizes from that extreme of an angle? Anybody with the room or the space to accommodate a 100-inch screen size is 9 times out of 10 sitting dead on. Large-format pictures are all about immersion, not extreme viewing angles
I watch mine at about a 120 degree angle everyday. In the video in the scene where you saw the daytime side angle of the tv on the tv stand with a bunch of glare, that’s my usual angle from my kitchen and dining room. I assumed the tv would still look good but the projector actually looked better even being dimmer.
@@coreysmayfieldI have a 85 Hisense in our living room. Our couch is about 15’ long on one side and L shaped so there are definitely some extreme viewing angles in our seating. I of course prefer to sit dead middle but when we have 6 or more people over, some are going to be at extreme angles.
The Hisense and TCL QM8 both have very poor viewing angles with significant glare. If you have a room to accommodate 100 inch TV that room most likely will provide viewing angles that are problems for those tvs. When the rear projection CRTs first came out about 50 years ago you had to sit directly in front of the TV to get a decent picture. If you stood up or moved to the right or left the picture faded significantly. With all the advances in technology with televisions it is a astounding that we were still dealing with that same problem.
Wow this is perfect timing. After owning the Hisense L9G 100” for two years I finally decided to get the LG C3 83” OLED. I do miss the size a lot but the picture quality is unmatched. I would love to see the TCL compared to the Hisense U8K 100” mini LED.
Thank you for posting this comparison. I have been using an Optoma UST projector for three years now and was considering going back to a tv. Your video showed me that there are trade offs to the tv option that I had not considered! I will be holding pat for now and saving about $3k on a new tv that won’t make that much difference based on what I need. Many thanks!!!
Great video sir! You are one of the best AV reviewers out there right now. As soon as someone makes a roll-up tv screen, it will be game over for projectors. TVs can only get so big before you can't get them in your house.
6 minute gang! Great videos man. Just found you a couple weeks ago and watched most of your videos ha. It gave me the extra push to order my ust which arrives today!
No doubt a TV the same size as a projected image even from a good JVC projector will look better. The main advantage of projection is the ability to project larger images than TV. Now have a JVC projecting on a good 125” or larger screen in a light controlled room and it’s projection that gets the nod. Different tools for different purposes.
you do tremendous work... appreciated... planning my dream home theater which is about 1 year off but your information has played a great role in my decision making.. again.. thank you...
A projector is like having. A theater in your home huge screen to watch movies, sports . A smaller tv is not the same. My Viewsonic 4K 3200 will go over 200 inch and still look bright and clear
Watched this on a 151 inch screen. Wimius native 1080 p projector $90.00 Foldable screen. $40.00 3 port HDMI splitter. $14.00 Logitech 5.1 Bluetooth system. $200.00 Total. $344.00
Another great review! The one thing I will say though...you brought in 5k projectors against a $900 TV. You could have went apples to apples and brought in a 5k TV against the 5k projector.
I guess I'm one of the few who would never compare a TV to a Projector as I see them as being used differently for different purposes. For me TVs = living room, bedrooms, etc. Projector = Home theater.
I'm a projector fan and like to be immersed in the cinema experience. I have a 120" screen for watching movies with a full-screen 2.35:1 aspect ratio. I would love to own a 100" TV with a 2.35:1 aspect ratio. The problem with watching a widescreen movie on a 100", 16:9 inch TV is the letterbox effect. On a 100" screen, this would mean 6-inch black bars on the top and bottom of the movie. A UST projector that would allow switching from 16:9 to 2.35:1 would be great, too.
Great video thank you for showing us side-by-side comparisons with a realistic TV to projector ratio size. I have a 7000 lumen Pro Epson projector that's got an amazing picture but at 7000 lumens it overpowers my 75 inch Sony XBR. Yes it pulls much more current and creates much more heat but honestly I take a projector any day for a good movie night even if its fake 4k. The TV is great for my kids RUclips and Netflix watching because if they ran out on the projector everyday it would burn up the bulb and use over three times the power
Chris, another top quality video as usual. I have a suggestion for your comparison videos if you don’t mind…..estimated yearly energy usage. Sure that doesn’t matter to some, but it’s a nice stat to have.
I’d say projection is really a 120”+ zone now as screen tech has developed and cheapened There is a big difference between a 100 and 120” screen in immersion levels , more than you would think when you see the screens next to each other We have an 85” TV and 136” projector screen hybrid solution with in ceiling screen For movies it’s not even close , and a 100” TV would also look pretty small compared to the 136” screen which is also 50cm closer as it comes down in front of the center speaker and amps which also has the benefit of having the sound coming through the (acoustically transparent) projection screen
and keep it to a dedicated windowless movie room, then a simple screen and simple 4K ceiling mount projector is all you need. You basically start at how big as possible can the screen be, then design the rest. Moving a big TV is no joke, that alone is a hard pass.
also for tv, no big projector sitting under the screen, it's cheaper, looks better, lasts longer, and as far as sound goes, almost every big screen owner has a sound system.
I have a Wimius native 1080p Bluetooth projector that costed $90.00 on Amazon. A $40.00 150+ inch screen and the projector has 120,000 hours of lamp life. Its dimensions are 5.3x4.1x6.1and it sits 12..5 ft from the screen. All any tv would have over it would be a better image quality. I have to say image quality because a 151 inch 1080p picture is just better than any 98 inch picture by virtue of size.
I'm still go with UST, only wish they make UST with two ratio ..like from TV ratio goes to 2.35 cinematic ratio just like regular projector dose it automatically for u with set up of course with 2.35 ratio ALR screen , as u said u can take it anywhere , do it any size screen with it as goes up to 150", is portable & comes in 3D 2 , pic is bright, blks deep & Vivid colors for me. I'm NOT fan of Epson projectors anyway from the get-go , BUT I'm stick with my good ole UST & 120" ALR screen👍
An UST with native 2.35:1 would be so good. I'd buy one immediately. For me, movies are the main focus, and I'd be happy to watch 16:9 with black bars on the sides. Then when firing up a movie, it would expand to the sides and give that wow factor. With a 16:9 projector things are "backwards", I get a bigger image for TV content than movies which kinda sucks.
I just purchased a HAPPRUN projector from Amazon partly based on your video projector reviews and it's 'nice'! I'm going to start 4-walling my independent video-movies by renting out spaces/ballrooms/theatres and small rooms to showcase those video-movies by using the HAPPRUN projector. In a way I'm following the path laid by legendary filmmaker OSCAR MICHEAUX. Great job you do! - JAMES D. WATKINS, artistic director of PHOENIX PRODUCTIONS.
In the picture quality section another fact or point is "Resolution" "Frame Rate" and "Upscaling" actual native 4K, and difference in HDMI versions with 120hz/144hz etc.
HDMI versions was in the design section. I had a section about resolution but removed it to keep the video shorter. The Epson isn’t actually 4k (it’s closer to 2k) so the tv easily wins against that. The awol was about as sharp as the tcl with 4k but the awol was definitely sharper with 480p and 720p content. The upscaling on the tcl was pretty bad.
With the arrival of affordable 90”+ TV’s, the projector will go the way of the turntable. Yes, there will still be a market for them, but it will be even more of niche market.
after having a projector for a few yers now, I will never go back to a tv. Having zero glare or reflection is a huge deal when using it during the day and also at night when you have lights on, you don't have to worry about seeing them in the picture. A really good screen will also eliminate hot spotting from any angle. Projector all day!!!!
i just switched from the SONY projector system ($25,000) with an 118" ALR SCREEN ($6,000) to the SONY 98" tv. ($7,000). The better picture quality of the tv more than compensates for the bigger screen size of the projector.
Guys: On Tuesday I got the 98" Samsung Q80c. It's very nice. Super bright & simple to work. NO it's not as good as oled we know that, but for $5k it can't be beat. But it's soooo big 😂. It couldn't fit unboxed in my elevator
Excellent Video comparison Chris, BIG Well Done..!! This TV (27 April 2024) is £1800 in UK, ...BARGAIN? I'm torn, current set up is 4K Projector, Screen Width 2.4 metres (16:9), 100% Dark Room at All times, Viewed straight on. - I notice the TCL is VA Panel, so Viewing Angles Don't Matter, my question to the community is 'Will the screen size drop be too much a negative experience" - TV Contrast and Black Levels are probably superior to an UST-Pj at similar price?? Thank You g
Hi Chris. I humbly ask for a review of the BenQ X500i. There are almost no reviews of this projector on RUclips or in general online. I’m interested in this projector because I think it could be appropriate for my room. However, I’d really appreciate your analysis and thoughts of this product before I make such a big purchase. Please review it.
Dang, the viewing angle issues are a real bummer! I was thinking FOR SURE something like this TCL would kill my Epson 5040UB (it's setup in hella darkened/treated room), but probably not. What I love the most about my projector is the perfect viewing angles. The Epsons are like LCDs without 2 major drawbacks - viewing angle issues and backlight bleed, by nature as they're projected, not backlit. Surprising also that the single chip DLP with possible rainbows have better contrast than the Epson! Here's hoping for a 100+ inch OLED or something
@@kendalltull9854 even TCL has higher end models at this size like the TCL qm8, but about same price as higher end USTs (~6k) . Also sony and samsung have 98 inch qled miniled tvs under 10k.. The s series is the lowest in the TCL product line, so it should definitely have compromised picture, but it should still destroy any projector for day time viewing.
The TLC he chose has terrible viewing angles; it is a mediocre TV at best. The TCL QM8 or even the Hisenxe U8K would have performed much better in the viewing angle test.
DLP technology has moving parts - tiny mirrors that move very very quickly. But essentially, to do black, they can just turn the mirror for that pixel and not light up the screen.3LCD has to block the light from the light source to do black, and while Epson does an amazing job of that, ther's still some bleed through. Other triple chip technologies are somewhat better at it, like LCOS and certainly triple-DLP is better still but you don't really see triple-DLP outside of pro projectors and there's a lot of dollars involved in the higher end stuff.
I can’t believe only 10% of your views are subscribers. Not sure the total views to subscribers, but I hope the majority of your subscribers watch your videos. I will say that I subscribed for the HT stuff. I still watch many of your other videos as your delivery is awesome. I try to watch as many as I can, but I do focus more on the HT stuff. I just moved from a house with a basement, where I had a dedicated HT (still modest) with a BenQ HD PJ. It was great. In a townhouse now. Just have my 55” LG OLED. Moving to FL in a year or so. So no more dedicated HTs. Plan on a bigger TV in the living room.
Interesting comparison but no one should be buying a projector for a 98" screen. Go big or go home with projectors, atleast 120" and even that is too small for my liking. That is a great price for the 98" TCL, but that HDR is horrendous (as expected tbh at that price) and I was surprised the projectors HDR looked a lot better as projectors are notorious for poor viewing HDR. And the viewing angles and glare on the TCL are the cherry on top on why I would wait 3-4 years for the price of higher quality TV's to drop such as OLEDs. I think a more interesting comparison would be a long throw projector at the same price as the original price as the TCL, such as the LS12000.
I second wanting a high end 98-100" (100U8K?) vs a price comparable projector @ 120" (LS11000?) comparison. Is the extra size and "theater" feel more important than dynamic range and HDR peak brightness?
Yes. That’s correct. Nicely said. I have had the Optoma UHD 65, projector, for several years. 120 inch screen. But now you can get the Hisense 100U7QTUK 100 mini led tv, at a decent price. The quality, watching any time of the day, knocks the project out.
I have the formovie UST and I love it. I only game on games like GOW or days gone. So don't need to worry about the best input lag. I'm a movie head and a decent UST. I thinking spending more money on a top notch atmos system is more important then your display. Sound is so immersive now displays don't give that much more denifits. Also what I found in UST over TV which wasn't mentioned is the color gamut of the UST having soooooo much more color depth makes UST in a league of its own the picture gets so much richer and life and also abit more depth.
I have a 100” projector screen because that’s all my home theater will fit. I can’t wait for some better quality tvs to take its place for the same price. Looking forward toto a $3k OLED!
Thanks Chris i was also leaning towards the TCL tv i already have an epsom projector 4k only thing putting me off the TV is the viewing angle, as you say even when you stand up and sit down the screen dims, still a tricky decision, the major benefit for the TV to me is better daylight viewing minus the glare, i had glare on my old TV but you get used to it, still cant decide but your videos really help towards a new TV purchase.
true too but i have 100 inch ALR screen with my projector and 100 inches is max i can fit in my living room anyway ha ha, but the TCL tv is def better with the contrast and black levels you can clearly see this in chris video.i am weighing up other advantages of the TV against my epsom 4k projector, one thing for sure at night when really dark the projected image is actually awesome, i usreit for watching TV too.there is something about a film being projected that makes them better isnt it. @@TheMeefive
i have my projector in my basement now to get a tv down the stairs and a turn into the next door going down might be a struggle ... and again you can get a bigger picture from a projector that is more immersive to watch as Youthman said... and my projector is mainly for movies so its always dark ..
Great Job Chris, my only comment is when you used the AWOL 3500 it looked better than the TCL 98”, By far and the brightness is about the same as The Epson. You should of used the AWOL 3500 and the Formovie only. If you go back and look at the parrot scene around 8:55 you’ll see quite a difference than what the Epson was displaying.
Projectors has advantage with mobility, carrying easily from one to another room or any where...provided you have wall and power point. But TV above 100 inch is fixed and we cannot move from one to another place easily without 2 to 3 people due to its weight and area. I prefer 65 inch plus TV and UST projector. Other comparisons on 'brightness, sound etc' are debatable.
While I love the idea of a projector, I live in a bright house and don't think it would be very good most of the day. I think it would be great for a movie room in a darker basement.
The data projectors will always win out over TVs because of the constant improvement of the technologies, and versatility. They are very flexible in use.
Electricity must be dirt cheap in the US, because that's the one thing reviewers never talk about. So, what is the power consumption between that big 98 inch tv and the tested ust laser projectors?
TVs are catching up to the main reason we love projectors!! More size for less money. You can say what you want, but it will cost about 10k to get the image that tcl is kicking out!! Projectors watch out!! Get more competitive on your pricing!! This is coming from a guy who has a dedicated cinema with a laser projector!! 140” screen!!
Catching up? Lol. I'd take a 150 inch 1080p over a dinky 98 inch 4k oled any day of the week. Funny thing is the best selling projectors on Amazon are usually under $100.00. So the average consumer doesn't really care about perfect blacks.
Good video! That's kind of where my dilemma has been. I have a BenQ TK 700 model projecting onto a Seymour matinee wide 103" ALR screen about 9 ft back. It's connected to my PC for movies and gaming. I would like a punchier HDR image with the bit better contrast, I would also like the 120hz panel though for gaming. One idea was the BenQ ht4550i which was supposed to have a superb HDR image, and I wouldn't have to modify my screen. Although it's essentially like mine with enhanced HDR and color spacing. But it would essentially plug right in. The other idea was the Aurora nexigo pro with its 120 hz input, but I don't think it's a true 120hz output, although it has lower input latency when enabled. I would probably have to modify my screen as mine is the premiere frame with 3inch borders, which makes the ht4550i The potentially better direct upgrade. Or do I get something like the TCL a5 98 inch , which has its limitations but 120 Hertz panel up to 144 Hertz, we don't have to worry about sitting off access as we sit directly in front. Windows aren't an issue I put blackout curtains for the projector. Definitely a tough decision!
Hey Chris you should add to your very last segment or mini statement of this type of review is cleaning/maintenance cause I was thinking some people forget to remember to clean the tv and especially going from a projector from a tv and how would you care for a projector
Great video. I do want to point out that if you do go UST, you want to lean heavily into its strengths, and one of those is that you can go 120 inches with relative ease. Especially with the Epson. The Epson is also capable of 120 in an 8-foot room just fine without having to go with sliding shelves or other things to get the projector almost to the floor. In my view, it's an easy sell - 20+ inches more on the diagonal is a *lot* of surface area. Sure, installing the screen is a bit of a pain and an exercise in patience but... hauling that 98 inch monstrosity is just such a pain. Imagine needing to ship that TV out for service... at least an UST, you pick up, put in a box and carry under your arm (almost). I also hate glare with a passion. All OLED TV's are super-glossy, in a lit room it's a giant mirror. And - TV''s this size aren't OLED.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M I like watching the TV when I’m watching a TV, not looking in a mirror. Anti reflective treatments are not all the same. Look at Apple’s high end displays, the standard glass has a good anti reflective coating, and their top of the line options include a nano textured glass for even less reflection, all with amazing picture quality.
Great video!! what about an Epson 5050ub with normal 1.0 gain white screen vs Formovie Theater with ALR screen? both in a completed dark room with dark colored walls (but without velvet on it, since people say it is the best non reflective solution)
Not sure UST are there yet. They seem to a bit of a spotty image and the black levels are not close at all to a OLED or even an older generation normal projector. I think they need a few more years of development. For a video file like me who likes watching movies anything less then a "native" 4k picture is a no. I know the Epson and a few others are really good but just think they don't hold a candle to a native OLED or native projector.
Good vid what I'm waiting for is say a NZ7 vs OLED - the second they make a 120" oled for the price of $15K then i think you are talking about the death of projectors
When you said "cost" at 00:49, you were completely in sync with yourself. Trippy.
Lmao for real.
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Great comparison Chris. I’m a huge fan of the immersion that you get with a 120 - 150” projection screen. I personally would do a 98” - 100” TV over a 100” UST. I love that we have options because we all have different needs.
Hey Mike!! I was genuinely surprised by this comparison. Going in I thought a TV would be a clear winner but the glare and terrible viewing angle made this a tough decision. Although I love a 120”+ screen, that only makes the projected image even dimmer than 100” which has me sticking with 100 in a bright room. To be fair that’s what the 135” in the basement is for though 😁😁
The other thing to consider is eye strain. I have a 85" tv and a 112" projector. I watch both from a 3,5meters distance (11 feet) and with the lights off I always choose the projector. It is much better for my eyes - even with a bigger screen. The HDR make things even worse for the TV, forcing me to turn on the lights and having a worse "cinema" experience
100% agree on the immersion factor. Projectors can't be beat when it comes to immersion. Less distractions and you "feel like you are there". Personally, I would not do a projector under 120", get a big TV for that. If you do have a nice basement where you can control light and put a 120"+ projector screen on the wall, then you should do it! I think when it comes to projectors and needs, most people probably can use both. Use the Projector for movies, tv shows, and social gatherings. Then use the TV in the living room for gaming and casual TV viewing. Best of both worlds!
@@JS1066 and if only the movies are in the dark in the evening, but the room has white ceilings and this is the living room. I think a projector would also be better. And another question for 120 inches of the screen - from what distance do you need to look? I have a distance of 3.5 meters from the screen-what do you think an alr screen would be better than 110 or 100 inches?
Ultimately doesn't "immersion" really just boil down to viewing angle? I mean yeah walking into a room and seeing that impressive projector screen is nice but when the content is on its really just a matter of screen size and distance away. So you can get the same immersion from a 100" TV that you can from a 150" screen you just need to be 50% closer.
Glad you did this comparison. I heard Youthman dismiss all UST projectors saying he’d prefer the TCL TV you had in the video. Good to see someone doing the actual side by side comparison instead of guessing.
One of the best videos I've seen in the is projector vs large TV space yet. Would. Love to see a video of short throws image quality on screens larger than its recommended size.
Id go for the projector. Had rear projection my entire childhood and I like the fact that it had the more natural looking image with better viewing angles
I've had standard ceiling mount projectors for the past 13 years, and I'll never go back. Viewing angle, absolutely no reflections, massive size, and crystal clear images MORE than make up for lower contrast and need to dim the lights. Find a projector that outputs at least 2500 lumens and the only thing which really kills it it sunlight. I also find that reflected light off a screen is easier on the eyes than rear projected light.
The TCL looks so much better right from the beginning.
its not though, its just the camera does not pick up the viewing experience, just the illumination. when side by side the tcl is very obvious its pixels and you can see the gaps. needs to be 12k at that size to be free of the screen door effect.
I have the AWOL and it is AMAZING! One big problem with TVs is they reflect any light source. The glare is a killer. With the AWOL and ALR screen, it is big, beautiful and no annoying reflections. And, as always, your videos are great. Take care!
Omg the glare was horrible!!
I also have the awol. It honestly is the best ust projector I’ve seen and it’s worth every penny! Days, nights it doesn’t matter with this beast
Love it, great video! Keep up the good work! Projector fan for life over here. I don't ever want to go back to flat panel TVs with all that annoying glare happening during the deep deep black scene in your movie/show/game among other benefits like being way easier to move if you move to another house, etc.
Love the video! I purchased an Epson LS800 about a week ago and so far I love it. I decided on making my own custom 120" screen using Elite Screens Designer Cut CineGrey to save a few bucks. Building the frame was easy.
Thank you for the viewing angles comments. You're the only reviewer who's gone into it in-depth and you've just saved me a ton of money
Great overall video but for those who don't already know, UST projectors are not the only [or usually best] options available so it's a bit misleading to only include them and use the results to describe projectors in general.
Agreed.
I have that 98” TV, you have to turn off that energy saving option to really get the full brightness of it. After I did that, no matter what angle I stood from, the tv looked amazing.
The brightness drops significantly at an angle regardless of power settings. This isn’t just a characteristic of this tv. It’s the same with most large TVs.
Unquestionably a tv will be brighter and have way more contrast. However, sometimes the look of projection will draw you into a movie way more than the surreal picture of a tv.
Also i tend to sleep better with projection watching than a tv
I agree Zora!
Man Projectors are so comfortable to watch, sure picture quality is not as tv but it's so immersive, bigger, comfortable to watch and not a bulb shining in your eyes.
@@sheri1983I agree, once I bought a projector it’s so comfortable man
I went with 98 inch TCL, based on my room dimensions, a standard projector could only display image of 100 inch, small kids, so they would definitely destroy a short throat projector. Saved a few bucks going with the TV. Use the extra cash to upgrade my speakers and receiver.
Well Done Chris! I'm still leaning towards a large TV...100in minimum... Thanks for pointing out the advantage to both...
Would like to see the 100" Hisense U8K or TCL 98" QM8 as they are currently on sale for around $3k and would probably be the other option for those considering a Formovie Theater of AWOL 3500 @ approx $4,000 - $5,000
This video was actually going to be on the Hisense U8K but it was sold out. That being said, it still suffers from a lot of the same viewing angle issues even though it has much better overall picture quality than the TCL.
@@ChrisMajestic Let’s be honest here: who is watching a TV or projector at these screen sizes from that extreme of an angle? Anybody with the room or the space to accommodate a 100-inch screen size is 9 times out of 10 sitting dead on. Large-format pictures are all about immersion, not extreme viewing angles
I watch mine at about a 120 degree angle everyday. In the video in the scene where you saw the daytime side angle of the tv on the tv stand with a bunch of glare, that’s my usual angle from my kitchen and dining room. I assumed the tv would still look good but the projector actually looked better even being dimmer.
@@coreysmayfieldI have a 85 Hisense in our living room. Our couch is about 15’ long on one side and L shaped so there are definitely some extreme viewing angles in our seating. I of course prefer to sit dead middle but when we have 6 or more people over, some are going to be at extreme angles.
The Hisense and TCL QM8 both have very poor viewing angles with significant glare.
If you have a room to accommodate 100 inch TV that room most likely will provide viewing angles that are problems for those tvs. When the rear projection CRTs first came out about 50 years ago you had to sit directly in front of the TV to get a decent picture. If you stood up or moved to the right or left the picture faded significantly. With all the advances in technology with televisions it is a astounding that we were still dealing with that same problem.
Wow this is perfect timing. After owning the Hisense L9G 100” for two years I finally decided to get the LG C3 83” OLED. I do miss the size a lot but the picture quality is unmatched. I would love to see the TCL compared to the Hisense U8K 100” mini LED.
U8k hands down.
I like the TV better, I can't watch my UST during the day because of the washout picture. The tv gives you better picture day and night.
Thank you for posting this comparison. I have been using an Optoma UST projector for three years now and was considering going back to a tv. Your video showed me that there are trade offs to the tv option that I had not considered! I will be holding pat for now and saving about $3k on a new tv that won’t make that much difference based on what I need. Many thanks!!!
Great video sir! You are one of the best AV reviewers out there right now. As soon as someone makes a roll-up tv screen, it will be game over for projectors. TVs can only get so big before you can't get them in your house.
Great video... Can you do a video on how to convince the wife to let there husband buy a new tv when the 65" they already own works fine 😂
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One thing I love about projectors is that you always have perfect viewing angles
I dont understand, why is TV looking so "small" in comparison to a mere 2 inches diagonal difference with the UST screen ? Thank you.
6 minute gang! Great videos man. Just found you a couple weeks ago and watched most of your videos ha. It gave me the extra push to order my ust which arrives today!
No doubt a TV the same size as a projected image even from a good JVC projector will look better. The main advantage of projection is the ability to project larger images than TV. Now have a JVC projecting on a good 125” or larger screen in a light controlled room and it’s projection that gets the nod. Different tools for different purposes.
Well done 👏🏼 👍🏼
Good demo and info 👍🏼 thank you from England 🏴
Fantastic presentation Chris! Thanks! - Cheers!
My eyes are very grateful since I changed from oled to projector. That is my reason :o taking care of my eyes health.
you should have used an ALR screen for the projector ..and that is a game changer
Great video! Thanks for doing all the work that it took to make this happen. Until I can get a 100 inch OLED for $5k I will stick to my projectors.
There was a deal recently at best buy for $4,000
@@Clint3571 the 83 inch is $4k. The 98 inch is $30k! The size difference is still significant.
@@marcalvarado1915 $3,000 for a 100" Hisense at Best Buy right now.
you do tremendous work... appreciated... planning my dream home theater which is about 1 year off but your information has played a great role in my decision making.. again.. thank you...
A projector is like having. A theater in your home huge screen to watch movies, sports . A smaller tv is not the same. My Viewsonic 4K 3200 will go over 200 inch and still look bright and clear
Watched this on a 151 inch screen.
Wimius native 1080 p projector $90.00
Foldable screen. $40.00
3 port HDMI splitter. $14.00
Logitech 5.1 Bluetooth system. $200.00
Total. $344.00
Great video Chris! Can you do a comparo between UST, ST and Ceiling
Another great review! The one thing I will say though...you brought in 5k projectors against a $900 TV. You could have went apples to apples and brought in a 5k TV against the 5k projector.
That's great video Chris, and very informative.
I guess I'm one of the few who would never compare a TV to a Projector as I see them as being used differently for different purposes. For me TVs = living room, bedrooms, etc. Projector = Home theater.
I'm a projector fan and like to be immersed in the cinema experience. I have a 120" screen for watching movies with a full-screen 2.35:1 aspect ratio. I would love to own a 100" TV with a 2.35:1 aspect ratio. The problem with watching a widescreen movie on a 100", 16:9 inch TV is the letterbox effect. On a 100" screen, this would mean 6-inch black bars on the top and bottom of the movie. A UST projector that would allow switching from 16:9 to 2.35:1 would be great, too.
Great video thank you for showing us side-by-side comparisons with a realistic TV to projector ratio size. I have a 7000 lumen Pro Epson projector that's got an amazing picture but at 7000 lumens it overpowers my 75 inch Sony XBR. Yes it pulls much more current and creates much more heat but honestly I take a projector any day for a good movie night even if its fake 4k. The TV is great for my kids RUclips and Netflix watching because if they ran out on the projector everyday it would burn up the bulb and use over three times the power
i can't stand the image of anything but a modern OLED.
Brooooo Thank you for doing a video like this. I am going to be getting a new "TV" next year and this is the comparison I needed
Chris, another top quality video as usual. I have a suggestion for your comparison videos if you don’t mind…..estimated yearly energy usage. Sure that doesn’t matter to some, but it’s a nice stat to have.
thats the last thing anybody wod care about
I’d say projection is really a 120”+ zone now as screen tech has developed and cheapened
There is a big difference between a 100 and 120” screen in immersion levels , more than you would think when you see the screens next to each other
We have an 85” TV and 136” projector screen hybrid solution with in ceiling screen
For movies it’s not even close , and a 100” TV would also look pretty small compared to the 136” screen which is also 50cm closer as it comes down in front of the center speaker and amps which also has the benefit of having the sound coming through the (acoustically transparent) projection screen
and keep it to a dedicated windowless movie room, then a simple screen and simple 4K ceiling mount projector is all you need. You basically start at how big as possible can the screen be, then design the rest. Moving a big TV is no joke, that alone is a hard pass.
Excellent comparison Chris😊
The TCL TV still has better contrast it was obvious. I would pick the TV for 100" size all day easy.
also for tv, no big projector sitting under the screen, it's cheaper, looks better, lasts longer, and as far as sound goes, almost every big screen owner has a sound system.
I have a Wimius native 1080p Bluetooth projector that costed $90.00 on Amazon. A $40.00 150+ inch screen and the projector has 120,000 hours of lamp life. Its dimensions are 5.3x4.1x6.1and it sits 12..5 ft from the screen.
All any tv would have over it would be a better image quality. I have to say image quality because a 151 inch 1080p picture is just better than any 98 inch picture by virtue of size.
I prefer projector. Easier on the eyes and when done right it is still excellent
I'm still go with UST, only wish they make UST with two ratio ..like from TV ratio goes to 2.35 cinematic ratio just like regular projector dose it automatically for u with set up of course with 2.35 ratio ALR screen , as u said u can take it anywhere , do it any size screen with it as goes up to 150", is portable & comes in 3D 2 , pic is bright, blks deep & Vivid colors for me. I'm NOT fan of Epson projectors anyway from the get-go , BUT I'm stick with my good ole UST & 120" ALR screen👍
An UST with native 2.35:1 would be so good. I'd buy one immediately. For me, movies are the main focus, and I'd be happy to watch 16:9 with black bars on the sides. Then when firing up a movie, it would expand to the sides and give that wow factor. With a 16:9 projector things are "backwards", I get a bigger image for TV content than movies which kinda sucks.
I just purchased a HAPPRUN projector from Amazon partly based on your video projector reviews and it's 'nice'! I'm going to start 4-walling my independent video-movies by renting out spaces/ballrooms/theatres and small rooms to showcase those video-movies by using the HAPPRUN projector. In a way I'm following the path laid by legendary filmmaker OSCAR MICHEAUX. Great job you do! - JAMES D. WATKINS, artistic director of PHOENIX PRODUCTIONS.
In the picture quality section another fact or point is "Resolution" "Frame Rate" and "Upscaling" actual native 4K, and difference in HDMI versions with 120hz/144hz etc.
HDMI versions was in the design section. I had a section about resolution but removed it to keep the video shorter. The Epson isn’t actually 4k (it’s closer to 2k) so the tv easily wins against that. The awol was about as sharp as the tcl with 4k but the awol was definitely sharper with 480p and 720p content. The upscaling on the tcl was pretty bad.
Wow. What a huge TV. For a TV that large--100 inches--I would seriously consider a projector.
Sadly, i love 3D with all my heart. And there are no TVs anymore that have that feature.
The 3D part is the biggest draw for me for a projector. Although I'm not a super fan of active 3D, but you take what you can get right?
Can you do a video on best projector for a drive in theatre? Really want to be able to do a drive in movie thing in my town
With the arrival of affordable 90”+ TV’s, the projector will go the way of the turntable. Yes, there will still be a market for them, but it will be even more of niche market.
Very helpful Video! And I choose Projector!
after having a projector for a few yers now, I will never go back to a tv. Having zero glare or reflection is a huge deal when using it during the day and also at night when you have lights on, you don't have to worry about seeing them in the picture. A really good screen will also eliminate hot spotting from any angle. Projector all day!!!!
Really well done. Thank you!
Ust all day.
Thanks for the video Chris!
Are you going to review the PRO versions of Awol USTs?
i just switched from the SONY projector system ($25,000) with an 118" ALR SCREEN ($6,000) to the SONY 98" tv. ($7,000). The better picture quality of the tv more than compensates for the bigger screen size of the projector.
Great vid! Thanks for the content!
Guys: On Tuesday I got the 98" Samsung Q80c. It's very nice. Super bright & simple to work. NO it's not as good as oled we know that, but for $5k it can't be beat. But it's soooo big 😂. It couldn't fit unboxed in my elevator
Excellent Video comparison Chris, BIG Well Done..!! This TV (27 April 2024) is £1800 in UK, ...BARGAIN? I'm torn, current set up is 4K Projector, Screen Width 2.4 metres (16:9), 100% Dark Room at All times, Viewed straight on.
- I notice the TCL is VA Panel, so Viewing Angles Don't Matter, my question to the community is 'Will the screen size drop be too much a negative experience" - TV Contrast and Black Levels are probably superior to an UST-Pj at similar price?? Thank You g
Hi Chris. I humbly ask for a review of the BenQ X500i. There are almost no reviews of this projector on RUclips or in general online. I’m interested in this projector because I think it could be appropriate for my room. However, I’d really appreciate your analysis and thoughts of this product before I make such a big purchase. Please review it.
Dang, the viewing angle issues are a real bummer! I was thinking FOR SURE something like this TCL would kill my Epson 5040UB (it's setup in hella darkened/treated room), but probably not. What I love the most about my projector is the perfect viewing angles. The Epsons are like LCDs without 2 major drawbacks - viewing angle issues and backlight bleed, by nature as they're projected, not backlit. Surprising also that the single chip DLP with possible rainbows have better contrast than the Epson! Here's hoping for a 100+ inch OLED or something
LG makes a 97" but it's not cheap as you'd expect. To be fair, there are better choices than the TCL if you want to go big even if it isn't an OLED.
@@kendalltull9854 You're right, and as bigger tvs become a thing now even better options in the future
@@kendalltull9854 even TCL has higher end models at this size like the TCL qm8, but about same price as higher end USTs (~6k) . Also sony and samsung have 98 inch qled miniled tvs under 10k.. The s series is the lowest in the TCL product line, so it should definitely have compromised picture, but it should still destroy any projector for day time viewing.
The TLC he chose has terrible viewing angles; it is a mediocre TV at best. The TCL QM8 or even the Hisenxe U8K would have performed much better in the viewing angle test.
DLP technology has moving parts - tiny mirrors that move very very quickly. But essentially, to do black, they can just turn the mirror for that pixel and not light up the screen.3LCD has to block the light from the light source to do black, and while Epson does an amazing job of that, ther's still some bleed through. Other triple chip technologies are somewhat better at it, like LCOS and certainly triple-DLP is better still but you don't really see triple-DLP outside of pro projectors and there's a lot of dollars involved in the higher end stuff.
Great vid bruh, and def projector for the win. I've been using a projector since 2012 as my main source and I haven't looked back.
Picture quality and cost are the most important, can't wait your next video with a better projector.
Love your videos. You are like a mind reader. Right on time with what I'm thinking 🤔. 👍
I can’t believe only 10% of your views are subscribers. Not sure the total views to subscribers, but I hope the majority of your subscribers watch your videos. I will say that I subscribed for the HT stuff. I still watch many of your other videos as your delivery is awesome. I try to watch as many as I can, but I do focus more on the HT stuff.
I just moved from a house with a basement, where I had a dedicated HT (still modest) with a BenQ HD PJ. It was great. In a townhouse now. Just have my 55” LG OLED. Moving to FL in a year or so. So no more dedicated HTs. Plan on a bigger TV in the living room.
Can you review the L9H it’s the best UST
Interesting comparison but no one should be buying a projector for a 98" screen. Go big or go home with projectors, atleast 120" and even that is too small for my liking. That is a great price for the 98" TCL, but that HDR is horrendous (as expected tbh at that price) and I was surprised the projectors HDR looked a lot better as projectors are notorious for poor viewing HDR. And the viewing angles and glare on the TCL are the cherry on top on why I would wait 3-4 years for the price of higher quality TV's to drop such as OLEDs. I think a more interesting comparison would be a long throw projector at the same price as the original price as the TCL, such as the LS12000.
I second wanting a high end 98-100" (100U8K?) vs a price comparable projector @ 120" (LS11000?) comparison. Is the extra size and "theater" feel more important than dynamic range and HDR peak brightness?
LS12000 would blow the TCL out of the water. I plan to do another one of these with a higher end tv in the future. 😊
Yes. That’s correct. Nicely said. I have had the Optoma UHD 65, projector, for several years. 120 inch screen. But now you can get the Hisense 100U7QTUK 100 mini led tv, at a decent price. The quality, watching any time of the day, knocks the project out.
That tv is very clearly not calibrated
I have the formovie UST and I love it. I only game on games like GOW or days gone.
So don't need to worry about the best input lag.
I'm a movie head and a decent UST.
I thinking spending more money on a top notch atmos system is more important then your display.
Sound is so immersive now displays don't give that much more denifits.
Also what I found in UST over TV which wasn't mentioned is the color gamut of the UST having soooooo much more color depth makes UST in a league of its own the picture gets so much richer and life and also abit more depth.
I have a 100” projector screen because that’s all my home theater will fit. I can’t wait for some better quality tvs to take its place for the same price. Looking forward toto a $3k OLED!
What’s the size of your room?
Thanks Chris i was also leaning towards the TCL tv i already have an epsom projector 4k only thing putting me off the TV is the viewing angle, as you say even when you stand up and sit down the screen dims, still a tricky decision, the major benefit for the TV to me is better daylight viewing minus the glare, i had glare on my old TV but you get used to it, still cant decide but your videos really help towards a new TV purchase.
there are higher end 98inch TV in the 5-8k range that would destroy any ultra short projector. I am talking miniled tvs from sony, tcl and samsung.
yeah but what prices i expect very very high @@blackcaesar8387
But they'd still only be 98 inches. Bigger is better
true too but i have 100 inch ALR screen with my projector and 100 inches is max i can fit in my living room anyway ha ha, but the TCL tv is def better with the contrast and black levels you can clearly see this in chris video.i am weighing up other advantages of the TV against my epsom 4k projector, one thing for sure at night when really dark the projected image is actually awesome, i usreit for watching TV too.there is something about a film being projected that makes them better isnt it.
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@@tnkelly01 yep. I'll never go back to tv
Would like to see the comparison between Projecor v Bravia 9 or QN90D
Projector gives a much more natural image.
i have my projector in my basement now to get a tv down the stairs and a turn into the next door going down might be a struggle ... and again you can get a bigger picture from a projector that is more immersive to watch as Youthman said... and my projector is mainly for movies so its always dark ..
Great Job Chris, my only comment is when you used the AWOL 3500 it looked better than the TCL 98”, By far and the brightness is about the same as The Epson. You should of used the AWOL 3500 and the Formovie only. If you go back and look at the parrot scene around 8:55 you’ll see quite a difference than what the Epson was displaying.
Yeah in hindsight I probably should have left the Epson out. The awol is just as bright.
A new budget projector video would help so much
Great one and thanks ! I never like the glare / eye strain I get from our oled TV's .
Projectors has advantage with mobility, carrying easily from one to another room or any where...provided you have wall and power point. But TV above 100 inch is fixed and we cannot move from one to another place easily without 2 to 3 people due to its weight and area.
I prefer 65 inch plus TV and UST projector.
Other comparisons on 'brightness, sound etc' are debatable.
My guy. The 98 inch tv is on sale right now for $2k, trying to decide between this and a projector.
While I love the idea of a projector, I live in a bright house and don't think it would be very good most of the day. I think it would be great for a movie room in a darker basement.
Great Video. Someday hopefully soon we can get a reasonably priced Microled 120”-150”. 5 years??
The data projectors will always win out over TVs because of the constant improvement of the technologies, and versatility. They are very flexible in use.
so, if you put the projector behind the screen, would it be better?
Thoughts on the XGIMI Horizon Ultra?
Electricity must be dirt cheap in the US, because that's the one thing reviewers never talk about.
So, what is the power consumption between that big 98 inch tv and the tested ust laser projectors?
We worry about Electricity costs when dealing with Air conditioning not Tvs
Thanks for that UST it is.
TVs are catching up to the main reason we love projectors!! More size for less money. You can say what you want, but it will cost about 10k to get the image that tcl is kicking out!! Projectors watch out!! Get more competitive on your pricing!! This is coming from a guy who has a dedicated cinema with a laser projector!! 140” screen!!
Catching up? Lol. I'd take a 150 inch 1080p over a dinky 98 inch 4k oled any day of the week. Funny thing is the best selling projectors on Amazon are usually under $100.00. So the average consumer doesn't really care about perfect blacks.
Good video! That's kind of where my dilemma has been. I have a BenQ TK 700 model projecting onto a Seymour matinee wide 103" ALR screen about 9 ft back. It's connected to my PC for movies and gaming. I would like a punchier HDR image with the bit better contrast, I would also like the 120hz panel though for gaming. One idea was the BenQ ht4550i which was supposed to have a superb HDR image, and I wouldn't have to modify my screen. Although it's essentially like mine with enhanced HDR and color spacing. But it would essentially plug right in. The other idea was the Aurora nexigo pro with its 120 hz input, but I don't think it's a true 120hz output, although it has lower input latency when enabled. I would probably have to modify my screen as mine is the premiere frame with 3inch borders, which makes the ht4550i The potentially better direct upgrade. Or do I get something like the TCL a5 98 inch , which has its limitations but 120 Hertz panel up to 144 Hertz, we don't have to worry about sitting off access as we sit directly in front. Windows aren't an issue I put blackout curtains for the projector. Definitely a tough decision!
Hey Chris you should add to your very last segment or mini statement of this type of review is cleaning/maintenance cause I was thinking some people forget to remember to clean the tv and especially going from a projector from a tv and how would you care for a projector
Great job as always Chris! I’ll stick with the UST 😉
Great video. I do want to point out that if you do go UST, you want to lean heavily into its strengths, and one of those is that you can go 120 inches with relative ease. Especially with the Epson. The Epson is also capable of 120 in an 8-foot room just fine without having to go with sliding shelves or other things to get the projector almost to the floor. In my view, it's an easy sell - 20+ inches more on the diagonal is a *lot* of surface area. Sure, installing the screen is a bit of a pain and an exercise in patience but... hauling that 98 inch monstrosity is just such a pain. Imagine needing to ship that TV out for service... at least an UST, you pick up, put in a box and carry under your arm (almost). I also hate glare with a passion. All OLED TV's are super-glossy, in a lit room it's a giant mirror. And - TV''s this size aren't OLED.
LG sells 97" OLED TVs. Not cheap, but they are available.
There's a reason why glossy panels are a GOOD thing:
It doesn't degrade picture quality.
Matte screens are garbage. 🤮🤮🤮
@@PSYCHOV3N0M I like watching the TV when I’m watching a TV, not looking in a mirror. Anti reflective treatments are not all the same. Look at Apple’s high end displays, the standard glass has a good anti reflective coating, and their top of the line options include a nano textured glass for even less reflection, all with amazing picture quality.
Can you post a link to the “FEET” you used to elevate the projector.. thanks keep up the good informative videos Chris!
Great video!! what about an Epson 5050ub with normal 1.0 gain white screen vs Formovie Theater with ALR screen? both in a completed dark room with dark colored walls (but without velvet on it, since people say it is the best non reflective solution)
Not sure UST are there yet. They seem to a bit of a spotty image and the black levels are not close at all to a OLED or even an older generation normal projector. I think they need a few more years of development. For a video file like me who likes watching movies anything less then a "native" 4k picture is a no. I know the Epson and a few others are really good but just think they don't hold a candle to a native OLED or native projector.
Thanks.
Thanks for the video. What sizes has the projector screen? It is bigger than the TV. 120"?!
Good vid what I'm waiting for is say a NZ7 vs OLED - the second they make a 120" oled for the price of $15K then i think you are talking about the death of projectors