Truth About Home Theater Screens: Alr Screen Vs. White Screen. Which is the Best Home Theater Screen
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- Опубликовано: 17 июн 2024
- Best Home Theater Screen. ALR Screen Vs. White Screen The Real truth about Home Theater Screens.
This is what sets us apart. This is what nobody tells you about Ambient Light rejection screens. they aren't just for well lit rooms anymore. Home Theater Screen knowledge and Home Theater Screen reviews in it's raw form.
This is what clients hear in our showroom every day. For those wondering What is the best home theater screen for their room , this will be the only video you will need to watch. At TA we care about Projectors and video more than any company out there. Here you will learn the true difference between Ambient light rejection and White screens and when to get one over the other. This is an unedited take on the subject in my showroom. I hope it helps educate as it's the opposite of what you will see and hear at other stores and even online. 
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That was such an incredible difference, when you held up the black diamond screen it looked like you were holding up a tablet with a screen or a green screened thing. That was so cool
better in person...
Highly informative--you broke it down to its bare essence, makes total sense to me. Thank you so much for doing this--really helpful!👊
We try. In the end it's just an opinion but based on some facts. ALR screens are misunderstood in a normal theater room. Glad you like the ch. I'lll keep it coming.
Awesome video thanks for posting, 💯 makes total sense, everything you spoke about was right on. Going to check your channel for any advice on the best way to blackout a window as I have 2 windows in my loft where I’m going to build my home theater. I live in a two story home with the loft being open to the stairs .
We are here to help. I use SI nano shades for rooms but you can do it a hundred ways. We will put new content out every week so if you need something we didn't do yet just ask. we also help clients all around the nation and even ship product to good clients if needed. We really appreciate your comment. Means a lot.
This is the BEST ALR demonstration I’ve seen! Thank u! I WILL be getting an ALR screen as soon as I am able! Thanks man!!!
Also, what gain ALR screens would I need in a light control room with optional small amount of ambient light in day time?
We do the 1.2 slate and 1.4 BD
Hey excellent knowledge about the Screens & Home Theatre. I wanted to share that I too have installed in my Basement Elite Screen - Cine Gray 4K version 135” and I have aPanasonic Projector PT-AE8000U which shows amazing results on this screen
I love watching all the IMAX shot movies on this screen and is amazing. Since my space is not large enough (15’x12’) I have BOSE Home Theatre Soundbar & Base module with Satellite speakers. Overall it sounds & feels like in a Theatre. Do not regret in investing on the screen, its amazing
All that matters is that you love it. It's your money. Glad you are enjoying your system. Happy Projecting.
With ES cinegrey 3d 1.2 Gain are you getting any hot spots. Are you happy
I had no idea about black screens, I'm going to follow your advice! We're just doing a smaller budget theatre room in our basement and this is going to make it so much better! Thank you! *Subscribed*
Really glad we could help.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAVis black screen ALR.
Lol @ "smaller budget,"; the black diamond screen featured in this video is $5,000 for 100" diagonal.
Thanks! this video certainly explained why the Black Diamond cost so much. Your video of the flipping between White Vinyl and black Diamond was surreal and explained so much with just your flick of the wrist! Thanks!
Really appreciate it.
I’ve been in the process of putting a diy home cinema room together, one half of which is a lounge. Going back and forth between a white screen and an ALR screen in my early research days, eventually settling on a white 1.2 gain screen to go with my Sony VW760/885es projector. But thankfully I haven’t finished the room or purchased the screen yet.
From all my previous research, I was put off the ALR screen due to the mention of hot spotting and other anomalies.
Your video is by far the best explanation I’ve seen to date of a comparison between the difference surfaces. So thank you for that.
I’ve read that the Si Black Diamond is quite a fiddly screen to put together and also you have to be extremely careful handling the surface of the screen as it marks up very easily. Then finally there is the question of cost, which is high for the tech, but I get it, you get what you pay for.
If cost is a factor, and it is, maybe the Slate 1.2, which is the half way point between white and black maybe be a better compromise for my room and projector?
Once again, thank you so much for taking the time to put your no bs vids together👊🏼
I really appreciate it. The Slate is almost always the win...Above 120" ...or budget
YES! Great explanination of what an ALR screen can do compared to White screen materials in all conditions. Well done.
You're the man Blake.
Seriously man. Best cinema reviews. Really good stuff. No BS. Thanks 🙏
I appreciate that!
Great video. Thank you
Thanks for the comment. We are so happy people are enjoying the content.
Thank you, I have @always thought that white screens were the be all, but thanks to your talk, I will start looking at black screens. Just a pity that I'm in New Zealand.
Would have love to come into your store for a chat.
Too many think that. And it’s ok. And we wish as well. But we love reaching NZ also. Spreading my 25 years of experience in system design to the world is the point.
Thank you for the video, glad I found you channel 👍
I really appreciate it. I am glad you found my ch too
yes thank you i have learned some thing good to know
Going down the rabbit hole ! Upgrading to most likely to JVC NZ9. Have a nx7 but need more lumens. Distance to screen is about 17-17.5 ft. Assuming upgrade, u think 1.2 SI Slate is appropriate? 151” 2.07 ratio
Thanks for the insight and education behind the tech.
Our pleasure!
Great demonstration You have proven a point awesome. Love the video Ended up finding a grey screen by stewart firehawk g5. ALR for $200 Getting rid of my old white screen
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching.
thank for the information ,I would like to know more about acoustics transition screens and screen sizes
I have a whole video about AT..check it out. As for size....my advice is go as big as you can. Go to Projector central for their Throw Ratio tool. Happy projecting
Interesting video man.. thanks for your help
Happy to help
Ty for the great info and demo🎉
I really appreciate it.
Great explanation of this problem, well done
Many thanks!
I used to project on a 120" grey screen with a BenQ consumer projector, and that produced a really fantastic color balance (after a lot of tweaking to match). However, as 3D was my main concern, I found that I had to replace the bulb at about 300 or 400 hours (WELL before the rated life) in order to get enough light to work well with the LCD shutter glasses.
In hindsight, I think if 3D is the main concern, white might be the best screen (because the glasses already darken everything).
Agreed. 3D is dying. Not sure I’d hang my hat on it
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV If 3D is dying then why are they still releasing new movies on 3D? I just purchased Avatar 2 on 3D-BLU-RAY here in 2023.
Said Dying...not dead. There is less support on the platform. I don't like it at home anyway with Active glasses. Most didn't...that's why it's gone. @@TheSeabeeMan
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV I agree with you!
However, I also think 3D technology has the potential to be far more superior now than at any other point in history due to 4K-UHD-BLU-RAY disc technology. 3D's past issues were that people didn't want to spend big money on 'Active 3D glasses' (battery operated), or a small minority of people received a headache from them while viewing 1080p 3D movies.
The only problem with wearing 'Passive 3D glasses' (like the kind that you find in movie theaters) is that when watching a 3D-BLU-RAY disc, each eye only sees DVD quality video. But if they were to make 4K-3D-UHD-BLU-RAY discs than each eye would see 2K quality with Passive 3D glasses which is double that of a standard BLU-RAY disc (i.e., SDR). And for those who don't mind wearing 3D Active glasses, they would experience the full 4K quality of 3D movies.
@@TheSeabeeMan maybe they will bring it back. I think people should be able to enjoy it that likes it. I’m sad when they take away. Any features that I think is easy to add to things. I just see it going away. If it doesn’t, you’ll be able to enjoy it. I hope you do.
Great information. Bottom line if one wants projection don't cheap out👍
Exactly!
Hey Dave....I live in the great white north of Canada.
I am...or I was looking at an LG 77" G3.
What ALR 100" screen would you recommend for a short throw projector...come to think of it what st projector would you recommend too.
Nice tv. for ST...the Screen Innovations or Stewart one is best but super expensive. Like north of $5K. I think there are a few online that are getting pretty good reviews...Fresnal screens etc. the Epson one for $3K is nice..we show it in our showroom. We like the Epson ST as it auto adjusts and calibrates. 4000 lumens. There are a few other good ones out there. Samsung is nice too actually.
Great video. I'm based in the UK and looking for a 90" screen for my Epson LS12000. What you recommend as something I can get in the UK?
SI or Stewart. They ship world wide
Awesome info 👏
I have a dedicated room total black out. I am using a Sony 5000es with a 143" 16:9 Seymour screen innovations model RF145HD acoustically transparent screen. There is a lot of reflections coming off the screen when watching. Would the product your speaking about reduce that? What product should I be looking for? Thanks great video
HI. The Slate AT will fix that..65% ALR and more focused light. However you already have good stuff... Maybe look into some non reflective velvet for the walls. Walls are the issue in a room with a white screen...not really the screen...it's just light off the screen onto the walls. Still looks good...great screen... My new video of my theater I just posted talks about that screen. Thanks for the comment.
I'm looking at replacing my 17yr old 92" motorized screen. Curious what you'd recommend in the motorized arena. My current seating has the front two chairs at the edge of the screen on both sides, slightly angled towards the center of the screen. With ALR, would those viewers have a poor experience? The room has two windows with blackout shades along the left theater wall. The room itself is 12x20 painted Red with Black and Grey paint accents and Black furniture. The projector is a Sony VPL-VW325ES. Thanks!
SI Slate or Stewart Firehawk...the SI is sexy with their solo3 housing. Very cool. ALR is always better...NEVER is anyone sitting in a place that it matters.
Thanks great help !Greets from belgium
You're welcome!
Trying to figure out what to purchase for a brightly lit large commercial space. I’m thinking an ALR floor rising projector screen perhaps mated with an Epson laser projector.
Sounds good I am sure we can help. Reach out through our site.
I’m thinking of buying a Stewart luxus alr. I have a jvc rs1000 but kept my old elite screen which is basic. Problem is with so many lumens, when there is a scene with a meteorite or explosion, all the side walls and ceiling become yellow and orange. The living room becomes day! I don’t know if that can be control to have minimal to no reflection on side walls and ceiling. Also the white levels are a bit too much on that screen. Like when the scene change from dark to daylight in the movie, it’s a bit shocking bright until you get used to it.
Firehawk or slate or Black diamond will help with that. Focused light back to seating area.
Great explanation! Thxs
Glad it was helpful!
Fantastic video! Really incredible to see the difference in black levels and contrast.
I have an epson ls12000 in a light controlled basement with dark matte walls but a white ceiling and light colored carpet. I unfortunately can't afford the screens you suggest at this time. Which screen from the Silver Ticket line would you recommend in this use case? I'm trying to decide between their grey and white.
Always just get white till you can do the good screens. Anything else would be a waste. All others are a gimmick and will cause issues. AT least a white screen is almost always good in the dark just suffers in blacks. The gray screens give you better black levels but ruin all other colors and brightness. The ALR screens use science to get darker while keeping everything else good. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching !!
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAVthis seems like good honest advice. I am also just getting started and spending the bare minimum to get a decent AT screen so I can max out screen size without compromising the sound.
Has to be a white screen then. Good ones are very expensive.
Interesting video, there can certainly be an advantage to ALR in the right circumstances but to be technically correct not even an ALR will give ”black” but a darker shade of grey compared to a white screen. Wish you could have mentioned the recommended distance between projector and screen to avoid shine/glitter and the relationship with gain etc. Speaking of gain, I think you could have explained it better - a 1.5 gain screen reflects light 1.5 more than a surface painted with magnesium carbonate which is the reference for 1.0. And I am pretty sure I can see hotspot at 4:57, or maybe that is just a viewing angle thing - the real drawback of high gain ALR with a narrow viewing cone, you have to sit exactly in front of it to get the performance.
THere are NO hot spots...and NO sparkle with the slate. Slight with Black diamond but worth it for real contrast. The viewing cone isn't that narrow. almost no difference across any normal seating area...have to be extrame to see a difference. I see it all day every day.
What an interesting video! Just wish that ALR Screens could be incorpriated into large TV Screens such as the new Sony 98 inch LCD TV's.
Well you'd just get that instead. TV's just have Glare. Really I just tell people to go bigger on projection so it's worth not just getting a tv. TV's that size are so bright they hurt my eyes anyway.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Yeah it is silly to say 'have an ALR screen tv' because the light source is coming from within the TV. I have an 85" Samsung The Frame Tv. It has a special matte screen, to enable it to look like artwork when not in use, and also a 'graphic' mode for the picture, which I have it set on at all times except when gaming. It is much nicer on my eyes and I prefer it to any other TV, even OLED tvs. I want to get a projector, but for some reason all of the ALR fabrics from reputable makers don't have sizes big enough, most stop at 150". The point of a projector is to go as big as possible, which in my case is 192". But I can't find an ALR screen that big.
@@100toefaceslate can go much bigger. I’ve done 220” and that’s not max
Great to see real professionals at work, compared to the “self taught you-tubers”.
Cheers mate
Means so much...really. But we do have a different take as we aren't just users of this stuff but sell it every day and navigate this world differently. We are exposed to this stuff all day not as a hobby or just a lover of the stuff. I hoped our take would help.
Still my favorite comment. It’s the reason for the CH
great video...unfortunately now i need a black diamond screen, just got a SONY 5000es but i have to zoom it out to max to get a 120 picture due to limited size of my theater, its a open concept media room with dark walls ..would you suggest a black diamond screen for my application, i live in frisco TX where are you located
100% and you can come in and see it exactly like that with light on it. The sony needs 12' to the lens to shoot a 120. But the cool thing is the BD is a custom so you can get it in 118 if you need to etc. Just not bigger than a 120. Also I am a car guy as well. : )
Thank you for this! New Subbie👍
You are so welcome
Revisiting and quick question. Does Black Diamond have to come assembled and not rolled vs Slate? Asking because I would go BD, but I don't think I could get that screen down my winding basement stairs in one piece. Massive difference between Slate and Black Diamond?
They are all rolled. they used to make a hard BD but cost too much to ship. I loved it when they made it like that. And if it's past 133 it comes in half...easy to navigate in all materials. Let us know if we can help. We ship everywhere and can help with selection
Please advice on screen I have a ls12000 and want to display 165 inch at max zoom from 16ft so 1.35x throw ratio
My room is light controlled with black ceiling and brown side walls and brown floor and no lights coming in 95 percent controlled reflection
I bought a cheap grey screen for testing and it failed miserably killing all the Colors
then I demoed a white cloth in my theater it was way better than grey screen in my room
I think alr might cause some hotspotting issues at that throw ratio also I didn’t like grey initially
I am getting only 2 options easily rn which is 1.1 cinewhite elite and 1.4 white from other brand
Should I go ahead with a 1.4 gain white or 1.1 gain white or something else
The alr available here is 1.5 gain and I am not sure for 700usd if it’s a good one and with added risk
Please watch my other video on aspect ratios first.... also I imagine you mean 2.35 not 1.35.... for a 165" YOu'll want your lens a lot further than 16'. LS12000 is great though.
Extremely good information...
Glad you liked it
Very nice video. Question, what would you recommend that doesn’t cost an are and a leg for a dedicated home theater light controlled room? My projector is a JVC NZ8. I currently have a white silver Ticket 142” 2.35:1 screen and would like same size and shape.
Thank You
I'd have said not to buy that projector if you weren't ready to spend on the screen. Screen means more. So now you have a Porsche....now you need the tires that go on it that allow it to do Porsche things. Z Rated tires are pricey. You need a slate or at the very least a Stewart Studiotek...but don't expect "black levels" like everyone says on here.....no matter how dark your room is. Silver ticket regardless of it's reviews is just chinese made vinyl garbage with no optics or controls added. Bottom line is projecotrs don't make black no matter what the specs, reviews and marketing says...so it's up to the screen to do that...or get closer.
Hi, do you think I really need a skreen for the wemax go advance ?? the $20 portable , or it is not difference with the white wall ??
If you are asking if it's better...of course it's better. But if it's a cheap projector might not be worth it. This video is much more fo rthose that buy a $12K projector and put it on a white wall. Huge mistake.
But in short...yes...it'll still be better than a white wall of course.
Hey, very informative post. Thanks. Question ....does it matter if the light source is coming from an ultra short throw laser projector? I'm building a home theater that will have no windows and capability of total darkness, on a tight budget could you paint the wall "grey" or some neutral and get more "black" tones?
ST projectors only work either on a NON ALR surface...or a white wall. Best ST experience will be on a ST screen as they are meant to reflect the light only from below. I have a ST video ...I might go over that stuff there more. I wouldn't paint the wall though. Walls do not make good projection surfaces unless just complete out of the budget to get a screen. It's not flat. Adding any color without true ALR properties to the materials will only make the white and colors be completely incorrect. So White wall on the cheap...and ST screen if you want to be amazed.
@@KimmoJaskari ST screens are naturally ALR but only because they only reflect from below so I just call them ST aside from ALR. ALR screens cannot be used with a ST projector as they reject from below...so I differentiate the two by calling them what they are. You aren't telling me things here I don't know I can assure you. I am speaking to clients...not techies. But I can talk tech if needed. Not the point of these videos.
@@KimmoJaskari Yeah that type of ST screen intrigues me. I am sure it's just as good as lenticular. ... And of course you can put a projector on a white wall and have an enjoyable experience in a room with all the lights off. I don't like any white material used especially a wall with defects so I am just here to educate those that otherwise might find bad info on here. I appreciate the feedback.
@@KimmoJaskari thanks. also as fyi, i'm planning on mounting my laser UST on the celing...so guessing it bounces light off the carpet?
Good advice and true.
I'v got a first gent black diamond screen, but has since moved to speakers behind the screen. Do you get a perforated Black Diamond screen?
Hi they don't make it in a Black Diamond. You have to go to the Slate screen which I own at home. That video will drop soon
Is using 2 or more projectors help with boosting white to get better blacks I hope to see video about it.
No reason to do that when you can get a 6-7000lm projector ....Epson makes great ones. And if you mean on a white screen...no. Doing nothing will give you blacks on a white screen.
I’m looking to replace my old epson 3500 projector and white screen with some new technology without breaking the bank so to speak. I’m currently using the projector ceiling mounted at about 14 ft from the wall mounted screen. I’m prompted to do this because the right hand bottom corner of the screen has a constant blue cast and Epson is suggesting that I send in the whole unit. This seems to be a problem with Epson projectors? And I feel I’m getting no cost effective solution from epsom. I would appreciate some advise as to what technology I should be moving towards for both projector and screen?
I'ts no an epson issue as a whole. All electronics of every brand has issues. But that's an older model. time to upgrade if you want to and can go sony or JVC...but you'll 10x your old projector budget. epson 4050 is a good buy. I have a few older 6050 new in box for a great deal ...that's a great projector. let us know if we can help. Screen...always go slate or black diamond if you can. Seems like you can go 130" or so. Budget is all that matters when it comes to recommendations on projector and screen.
What would you recommend in the black 1.4 for a acoustic transparent screen? Does black diamond make transparent screens?
They do not make it AT...it's too thick. It's not typical vinyl...it's 100% a piece of optical technology.
Are all ALR screens the same? Is quality different between manufacturers? I saw some floor rising projectors ALRs for about $500 from China on Alibaba. You use the term black diamond so I’m wondering if that’s a proprietary technology? Thanks.
They are VERY different and quality differs a huge amount. Garbage is cheap
Im using studiotek 100 as this is some my local dealer advice its a reference screen for producers , its true? Totally black room , with nx9 with madvr extreme ? Its a good , please let me know your reply sir thanks
Great screen. It is used that way yes. In a truly dark room with no reflective or hard surfaces. Stewart makes killer stuff.
So in a dedicated closed dark theatre room what is my best bet for a jvc projector and speakers behind the screen. So I need ATS screen what tech is available there?
Slate AT is best. Maestro 2 would be my second. I’m not a white screen fan. I own the slate AT
I have a JVC native 4K front projector NX5B I need a screen 135 inch but the screens are so expensive what screen would you recommend for my projector
SI if you can. Slate... or EPV polarstar makes a pretty good material. But the frames are sort of suspect unfortunately. Otherwise just a good White for now and seriously light control the room. Dark Matte paint. Good luck with your system. We hope it's awesome. I'd always tell anyone to go lighter on projector and hard on screen first.
Is the ls12000 better than the Formovie ust laser protector? Looking for my first higher end projector it will be ceiling mounted
yes in every way but they are different. One UST and one not. Regular projectors are superior in that they do not skew the image with the lens and focus everywhere. So get a regular projector if you can. I'll never be a fan of a product like formovie etc as I don't believe they have the money behind them or R&D money to put out something truly good. I stick with the major players.
Also very difficult for me to take a projector seriously that says it's got Dolby Atmos built in... Just ridiculous statements.
yup.. makes sense
thanks!
I just wanted to know about a epson ls800 4000 lump and a living room with 3 bay window what would be the best paint or screen?
You need a real St screen...watch my short throw video.
What if you only have space for a drop-down screen? I currently have an 135 16:9 white drop-down screen in a light-controlled room but would like to upgrade. Any recommendations?
They make slate in a drop down. I have a video of it coming actually
Would be interesting to see some wide format content (eg 2.35:1) on a 16:9 screen with this ALR (black) screen type in a darkened room to see how close it would get to mimicking/providing natural masking. With so many movies now being variable aspect ratios I wonder would it be a workable solution (if the back wall was also a darker colour).
Watch all my videos....have done exactly that many times. And shorts.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV I'll have to check them out! Thank you!
ruclips.net/user/shorts1_NZoaoQUMw
can you give me some options here for best LS12000 projector screens ? I am looking for about 135 inch screens under 2500usd price range. Thanks
Always SI Slate and Stewart Filmscreen Firehawk
Hi. This is finally confirming my conviction. I had multiple gray/white screens and currently have ES Aeon 3D 120". The best contrast with Vw995es...but BD is what I ultimately "need". Is it also a case with black diamond to have projection approx. at 45 degree angle to the line of sight for the best performance? Thanks for challenging the status quo 👌
It's easy...the status Quo is wrong. You don't have to be exact with BD...there is a place it looks it's best but it's so damn good doesn't matter that much. Just go see one...walk around. It's pure magic.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAVSo what is the recommended throw ratio for both the Slate 1.2 and the BD 1.4?
There isn't one. Throw ratio has to do with what size a projector can hit from a certain distance. Projectors have throw ratios not screens. hope that helps. @@cbmore28
Any hot spotting with ES cinegrey 3d 1.2 gain .are you happy
@@sanjeevsaxena3524I am getting closer to BD 1.4...just need another 4k hahah. To answer your question, hot spotting in my experience depends partially on the pj as well. I used to have bulb pj 5050 and I could see the hotspotting if I really wanted to. With the sony and laser having better light evenness/cone of brightness it is lot better. Also the throw ratio diminishes hotspotting, but mine is mounted at 13' which is pretty close. Generally, further is better in terms of hotspotting from what I read. FYI since the post I've upgraded to ES CineGrey 5D and love it more! Run my PJ via HD Fury for DV emulation and it looks fantastic on it! Soo bright. I can run laser in min/med now and have much better contrast in any scenario. As I said, I believe BD is all it's hyped up to be judging ES makes image look so much better for a fraction of a price.
Have they been able to engineer out the sparkle effect? I’ve seen their screens several times, can’t argue the contrast change but the sparkle effect drove me bananas.
Hi. Good Question. The sparkle for the most part is completely gone. Still there on the black diamond but only on a super bright scene. Their latest generation is really great. I'd deal with a little sparkle on bright scenes to get that "tv like" contrast on my screen.
What projector was used in this demo? Considering jvc NZ7 or Epson ls12000
LS12000 here. I love both. Very different price points. If you are going to play with HDR get the JVC..but I always say that's useless on a projector anyway. NZ7 is a better unit. That much better $5K... you'll have to decide. I own an LS12000 as well. Watch my other videos with my house and the one from yesterday. @@Espiritiv
Can you please post a link or exact name and description of the Black screens you’re talking about. It’s for an upgrade to our theater.
www.screeninnovations.com/materials/black-diamond/
There you are sir. Stewart Firehawk G4 is amazing too...not as ALR but more so than a Slate. They are all good...from those ones.
Outside Projector screens, what do you recommend? Most I have seen are all white. D you have on you recommend for outside under a covered deck with some daytime viewing and night??
We are alreay talking I believe.
@15:16 My cheap ALR is also giving the same halo artefact for highlight (see title for this case).
There is NO halo...it's the camera doing any artifacts...I own it...see it every day. Nothing
Can I order this screen from you if I don't live in Texas? I am in the market right now for something to pair with my NZ7
Yes we ship all over the nation all the time. Reach out to us through our website. The contact form goes directly to me. I can also get pictures of your room, answer and ask questions and make sure it's perfect for you.
What do you recommend for a JVC NX9 with a 150” screen?
Dark Room no reflections White from SI or Stewart Studiotek 130.....reflective walls definately Slate ...Great Projector. let us know if we can help you with the purchase of the projector or screen. We shop anywhere.
Question: Is there such a thing as a
BLACK DIAMOND POWER SCREEN ?
Is it possible to get one @ 120 - 180
inches?
Black diamond stops at 120"....and cannot be rolled up. Roll screens...and or large screens goes to Slate 1.2
I have a UHZ65 with a U85 VC lens in front of it for 2.35:1. It's always projecting into the home built frame with AT SMX screen stretched over it. I had to store the screen for a couple years and it was wrapped in visqueen but somehow theres a dark vertical line on the front in front of a frame upright behind it. I tried cleaning it off very carefully but to no avail. What I'd like to do is come up with a spray can solution instead of rolled on because rolled on would fill in the porosity of the acoustically transparent screen, even if carefully applied more so than spraying. A spray can vs an airless. The airless would throw as much or more than a roller so nix that. All I'm finding on YT is in one gallon cans. I believe Ruben said this was 1.0 gain screen material. Sorry forgot his last name but he did do a little business under the name SMX Screens back in the day. I might like to experiment with 1.3-1.5 gain just for kicks you never know it might up the game. The UHZ65 is 3000 lumens and 4K and even with the porosity gives a beautiful image. I originally had this set up in a basement with speakers behind it back then as now. If you have any advice Id appreciate it. Regards, Eric
I sell name brands I have no advice other than what screen to purchase unfortunately.
Is there a drop down screen with this technology yet? As I don't have anywhere for a fixed screen.
Yes...not black diamond but slate...all day.
Thank you. Still learning... How would this compare to a straight white screen with a Benq HT4550i projecting 140" from 3.5 meters in a D-A-R-K room (almost zero light)? The objective is simply to retain the Benq's brightness and white level - but obtain a deeper, more JVC-like black level.
Doesn't matter what projector...ALR looks better. If NO reflective surfaces in the room at all...White can be good. NO such thing as JVC black level...just less light
No such thing as JVC Black levels...just less light. All ALR screens other than just gray look better in any room. NOW ....if you have NO reflective surfaces...a white screen can look good. But your black levels are still a white surface.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Thanks. So can we confirm that ALR keeps the same peak white level as a white screen - but delivers deeper/darker/lower black level - thereby effectively stretching out the contrast range linearly? This is what's been so confusing...
@@adrianbarac3063 A white screen means there are no rich, vibrant & deep colors at all, due to reflections. ALR provides you with an enhancement for all types of colors, brightness and contrast, mate. Do you understand?
@@SinisteroidSorry. I must be a bit thick - still don't quite understand.
So let me ask the question afresh...
Does a black screen retain the same white levels as a white screen, but actually drop black level, thereby expanding contract IN A COMPLETY DARK ROOM?
What about Plasma? My Uncle Ned has a beautiful 65" Pioneer Plasama display with near perfect picture quality. My uncle Ned said he's picking up a Micro LED 110" samsung panel.....
Plasma is ok...it used to be the best but they are dinosaurs now. Heavy..not as bright...have been bested by new tech now. and small... Wish him luck with the Samsung wall. Cool stuff. I've heard of refresh rate issues. I'd still go projector to save money. 6000 lumens on a black diamond is almost as good for a fraction
Is there a recommendation on a Brand to buy? TY
Hi. Screen Innovations Slate and Black Diamond are my favorites. Stewart Filmscreen..Their 1.3 White (in a very dark non reflective room) and their Firehawk G4..always one of my favorite materials ever. Owned them all personally. There are cheap screens but nothing I'd personally recommend. EPV makes nice materials but frames lack structure...but a good alternative.
I always thought this would be more obvious to people. I used to wonder why people didn't use reflective paint similar to what is used on highways for their screen. Maybe a phosphorescent material for glow as well.
Color accuracy is the reason they don't. And shouldn't.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Phosphor worked for CRT's, and black reflective paint is available.
@@qua7771 give it a shot. Let us know
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV I though Smarter Surfaces Products were using a similar technology. It's a matter of time before these products improve. I'll stick to my day job, but I am a fan of spending money on screen material for anyone using a projector.
Have you seen the AWOL LTV-3500 triple laser UST projector? If so, how is the quality? They seem to really be stepping up their game from a year ago. They now have there own line of screens and 3D glasses, and they've already had a couple of big firmware updates to make their projector(s) better... ...like Dolby Vision, Adaptive Blackness, 24 frames per second, etc.
Just met with them today. I wasn't super impressed from a detail standpoint on the 150" screen but it could have been the setup. I am in talks with them to review and get one. They are way. better than last year..but $6K is steep for just ok.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Outstanding!
I'm looking forward to your review. BTW - The lowest price I've seen the AWOL LTV-3500 so far is $4649.10 right now on Amazon. ...still expensive but better than $5.5k
Might not be authorized...be careful. Typically online sales are either retail .....or no warranty. Don't look for the deal. Buy right. @@TheSeabeeMan
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Thanks for the advice, as that's a lot of money to be getting cheated out of.
@@TheSeabeeMan It wasn't bad...but not as good as the epson. Much larger but I just didn't think it was good video. I want to get one and play with it.
Thank You.
You're welcome
I just ordered the Sony 5000ES and have a 106" Dragonfly 16:9 High Contrast Projection Screen that I've been using for years with my old Mitsubishi projector in a light controlled basement. Decent match? Will it serve me well until I can afford something like a Black Diamond screen? Thanks.
No sorry. That's a gray screen. Helps blacks a little but ruins color accuracy as it adds a color to everything. Slate would be good as a half way there screen financially. BD is of course the all the way win under 120". It's not bad...just low gain and will color everything.
Thanks very much. Great advice and guidance. You know your stuff.
Another quick question please. What gain do you suggest for a BD screen for the Sony 5000? Thanks again.
@@user-po9yw2dz6z100% 1.4 gain always
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I think you should equally address the negatives of ALR screens. Maybe you have a magic product there, but the ones I have seen had an unacceptable level of glitter/sparkle and hotspotting when having gain. If no gain the light levels where lower.
I didn't because all of that isn't the case anymore. I have a BD screen on a 6000lm laser .....NO hot spot. Completely uniform light from edge to edge. A little sparkle...if you look for it on a white screen. Slate has virtually no issues. I din't talk about it because there is nothing to talk about anymore and all of those things are more important to me than having no black levels.
Do they make an outdoor black screen? What a theater experience by the pool.
You can do a Slate outside but can't get the screen wet. they make it removable. We do it all all the time. the issue with projectors outside is actually more the projector needs to be in an air conditioned box that costs $4-5K
its all got to do with your eys and the iris. Its all about dynamic contrast. Enough contrast, brain perceives the white background as black because the light contrast is big enough. Of course, the bouncing lights on a white walls hampers it.
yeah I think you just said what I said...but perceived black is NOT black. Black is black...White...is white.
How do these ALR screens perform with HDR content? Do they lose details during dark scenes?
Not at all since the Black Diamond screen is 1.4 gain...higher gain than most white screens. You actually need a screen like that to even hope to use HDR right in my opinion since it's all about contrast and you can't get real contrast on a white screen since projectors don't make black. HOWEVER..I never turn HDR on in a projector. Makes everything fake and no matter what you do it's not right. It's a technology invented for direct view displays because it needs insane brightness to pull it off. Just because it can doesn't mean it should...I always say.
Is there such thing as an acoustically transparent ALR screen?
Absolutely...watch the video of my home theater. Slate AT
How do Stewart ALR screens compare to black diamond
Not as good as BD...nothing is. However...their Firehawk...and the Slate...neck and neck. Love both companies and support them. I just don't have Stewart in my showroom being SI is hand built 3 hours from my place we sell SI more now. Stewart is top notch stuff.
Yes but is your screen for a DLP, LED OR UST LASER
My screens can be used with ALL technologies except for UST...you cannot use anything but white...or ST screens for UST. All regular projectors will be better on a better screen. Hope that helps. And I sell all screens.
Is there any ALR screen which is acoustically transparent ?otherwise these screens will have similar issues audio wise to a tv or led wall
No you'd have to use a Weave style screen or a white micro perf screen. Or just figure out a way to not put the speakers behind the screen. Thin on walls or center on cabinet below. Just a change of design can fix it.
I know not as good as this black diamond screen but how would you rate a Elite Screens cinegrey 5d alr screen?
@@battousai412 China garbage. Just get a good white screen. their EPV line...which is the same company just better stuff....is in fact pretty good both in Polarstar and darkstar.... but frames need work. I sell them though.
You could have used 2 samples. One black and one white and put them side by side to show the difference. I am convinced anyway that black is better.
I did use black and white samples. But glad you got it anyway.
My HT consultant says an ALR screen reduces sharpness and image quality? How true is this?
Not true at all. Can't even be true. They are not different levels of smooth. I proved the rest here. Find a new HT consultant.
it was great
We appreciate you
Finally someone who knows WTH they’re talking about.
Well not everyone thinks so....haha. But they are wrong. Thanks
Oh well, those who are still able believe what see with their own eyes will continue to reap the benefits. Thanks!!
It is about the contrast which is the difference between the darkest black and brightest white. Just like in a theater I would rather control the light where possible instead of using the darker screens which also dulls the white.
Well got news for ya..theater is not white either. "The Silver screen"..and it's about rejecting the light CAUSED by the projector itself which if its' white...is a ton of light. Commercial theaters are covered in fabric...most home theaters are not. Slate...or BD...does NOT dull the white. Enhances it actually. People buy tv's for Black levels all day....then don't care about it at all when they buy a projector. Facts.
what about ust projectors are they better?
Please watch my UST video. Cover it all. And no...they aren't. But they serve a purpose.
Hi Very Informative video.Black Diamond is out of my pocket.I bought Optoma UHZ50 laser projector(3000lumens).My room is normal (as 80 percent people) with Magnolia colour wall so not excatly well dark room.which screen do you advise which can be in my budget .
you advise to turn off the HDR?? as it fakes the image
Get a Slate or Stewart Firehawk...less money still amazing. Or a nice white 1.3 with a super dark room.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV Thanks alot for your advise ☺
Sorry I didn't see the rest. Yes turn off HDR on every projector. I don't like it on tv's either but it can be used there with some calibration.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV thanks I am your Fan from UK so your are international😄
@@sanjeevsaxena3524 That's funny and I like to help people everywhere. I've done all I can do in my industry..it's time to share what I learned in 25 years. Share with friends and blogs there if you can.
Wats best projector for viewing pdfs
At close distance? Maybe sony or JVC...more fill factor
Wow. This is great. Well not for my budget. A 135 inch screen from them is like the cost of the projector I was looking at! 5k
Exactly...and the screen should be more than the projector otherwise shouldn't buy the expensive projector IMO. My screen is double the cost of my projector in my theater. You marry the screen and date the projector. Watch the video again I cover this importance. : )
(1) Your thoughts about JVC vs Sony long throw projectors with respect to black levels? 2) Are jvc and sony - laser projectors - more reliable / do they throw a better light than its previous bulb projectors? (3) Fan noise - how quiet are they bulb vs laser -3 ft. from the projector?
Hi. Love both Sony and JVC...(I just completed that video actually). Laser in all 3 Bigs..Eppson included is superior. Brighter and more focused light engine. No projectors have black levels so I can't talk on that. They like to say that stuff to confuse people. A laser will always be able to send a little less light to the dark areas but that's all they can ever do. Still 100% up to the screen and room to create the black illusion. I'd give the Edge to Sony since they go laser in the lower price levels and JVC is still bulb. But at the 5-6K mark I still give the edge to Epson LS12000 at almost 3000 lumens. At the $12K mark the Sony 6000ES is the win. They are all quiet enough to not even have to talk about it.
Ive been looking at the black diamond for a JVC nx7@ 150” 2.35.1 but been told that the JVC and even Sony aren’t bright enough at the screen size.
Your opinion?
@@AaronHamm-co7fm Take a look at MWAVE vlog’s being done this weekend. They are using Sony and JVC at that screen size I believe. I could be wrong but whatever you will see in real time how they compare at larger screen sizes at least. Vlogger Stop THE FOMO is live streaming some of the events as he did last year. That is when I first saw in real time that Sony was having serious issues with black levels vs JVC. JVC’s third firmware update fixed that issue and its black levels are now far better than Sony’s right now. Also determined that Sony’s reality creation had an issue further confirmed in the Value Electronics December 2022 long throw shootout.
@@AaronHamm-co7fm The $12K sony at 2500 lm is nice. I have a 153" Slate at home on the almost 3000 LM Epson and love it. You'll see that setup in my video coming up. Big screen...bright...look at the commercial Epson as well. Fun projectors. 6000lm. We show it on a BD in full sun in front of our showroom...magic.
@@marvinabugov4579 no such thing as a black level of a Projector. These videos I am making are aimed at getting these thoughts off the internet. A projector cannot send "the absence of light" across a room. Black level comes from the screen and room....only. Bright light around a dark screen is anyones only hope for seeing black or in a room covered in velvet.
You did break it down, but you ignored sparkling and image uniformity issues that are associated with long throw ALR screens. It's not just bad, it's INCREDIBLY visible on long throw ALR screens. The statements made are pure, PURE sales! I've seen the Black Diamond, and about a dozen other ALR materials, and the issue with long throw (not UST) ALR screens is that to achieve the gain structure, they have to put in the reflective layers which not only narrows the viewing angle, but introduces sparkling and shimmering. This is something SOME people can live with I suppose. Fine, if that's the sales goal, to get them a super expensive screen that sparkles and has image uniformity issues. If you're okay with that then that's your choice.
How about your 'normal' room with the sparkling projected image? Is that really better than a .8 gain grey screen in a room without ambient light? Is chasing black levels but getting a ton of sparkling actually something that makes sense? My whites on my LCD screen don't sparkle. My whites on my 1.3 gain screen don't sparkle either.
A good projector, and better light control are FAR better than a Band Aid of a screen, and that's all ALR screens are. What you are doing is SELLING a SUPER expensive screen and then coming up with a sales pitch which justifies it without being honest about the downfalls.
I will NOT listen to you about this, because you are ignoring the pitfalls. It's a real slap in the face to those who actually are being honest here.
Because it's not important to me. I don't even see it anymore...certainly not enough to give up true contrast. If you look for it on the BD you can see it if you're close to it but not from seating adn not unless you are searching for it. So my opinion...still stands. NOBODY in my showroom ever sees that or says anything. So it's nowhere near the issue you're making it out to be. Sorry.
@@TheaterAdvice_FCAV - But you also didn't mention it at all. It just feels like a way to sell a product. Which is fine, but it would be great to get some critical viewers to be honest about how much sparkle and shimmer all of these screens have. I have never seen a Black Diamond screen where I didn't think it looked terrible in under two seconds. But, the UST/ALR screens really do look amazing with how they present stuff and there may be some newer screens that are long throw which can look quite good or really minimize the sparkling impact.
Again...I don't see it enough to care. Stewart always had a little too...I am honest. I don't see it unless I look for it. I'd take it over a white screen 100% of the time...nobody more honest than I am. And I don't really care who thinks otherwise. And yes...I am trying to sell things...I am NOT a youtuber. I am a system designer and I am damn good at it. Maybe the best there is. I am trying to sell what's right... You're one of like 5% that doesn't like the content of this video so I'll save my tears and arguments...believe it or not I do have other things to do. Thanks for your opinions though...they do matter. These above are mine. @@paulvail7926
boa tarde
eu troquei a minha Tela branca por uma Cizenta ALR e a imagem ficou notavelmente melhor, mas é muito cansativo para a visão...
e o angulo é reduzido apenas a quem está sentado no sofá, quem entra na sala mal ve imagem...
resultado, não gostei... o cansaço visual é um contra muito pesado!!!
procuro trocar por uma tela cinzenta sem ser Alr, mas não encontrei ainda!!!
cumprimentos.
Sorry I only speak english but I hope the video helped.
The problem is they don't make black diamond in 200" sizes. What are we supposed to do for a 192"-200" screen for materials? No one makes ALR screens that big.
correct you go to the slate just like I did. the slate is 65% ALR. Looks good with a nice bright projector. Can't make the BD past 120...but they do make BDXL if money isn't an object.
Just purchased that l500 projector from Nomvdic. Now do I have to spend same price for am outdoor alr screen now to get most out of it Damn it... was hoping that yardmaster was gonna cut it.. or one of those 100 dollar amazon stand 120 150 even 180 screens
Any suggestions
Can do anything at any price. If it's right for you is the question. Outdoor is a whole other thing. Most cannot even be used outside and if it's hot the projector won't even turn on.
@HomeTheaterAdvice I heard that as well about if too hot. But that fan on this unit is so loud lol guessing should cool it off hopefully.. am I just better off using against the Toolshed. With a decent screen. I understand many factors.. mostly gonna be night time im just buy some ambient fabric for 100 dollars and make my own screen
@@user-ec9sr3wq1i Just depends on where you live. Outside isn't reference video so just have fun. In TX...in the summer projectors aren't turning on. I've tried it.
Thanx again for input and answering me promptly...
I have an HT4550 projector mounted about 14' 2 inches for a 170 inch screen so throw ratio is basically 1.0. Can I use an ALR screen without hotspotting? I'm looking at XY screens Black Crystal HG
I don't know about those cheap china screens....you just might. But I can tell you even with 6000lm on a Black diamond there is NO hotspotting. I only sell the name brands...and for good reason.
Oh man, that black diamond is where it's at. BUT... what about us cheapy/poorish folks... is there a 1k option or just stick with my plain wall until I can save up to get the $5/6k black diamond screen?
I believ you may have emailed me and I responded. Let me know if that wasn't you.
The room you are standing in there has eggshell-colored walls. Isn't that part of the problem? If you are going to set up a theater room shouldn't you paint your walls and ceiling in there the same dark colors that are used in actual movie theaters? Shouldn't the color of the carpet in there also be the same dark colors that are used in movie theaters? Everyone pays so much attention to their screen, but shouldn't they also be paying just as much attention to the rest of the room as well?
The walls are flat actually. I only ever paint walls flat. And no that's not the problem. All colors reflect a little...hard surfaces in general will reflect light. But that's all flat paint. I like the room and it's colors. My clients do too...I don't like dark cave theaters. That room is light gray and black..carpet black with light gray pattern...matches perfectly. And if clients do have the budget to care about the rest of the room they do...sometimes the budget isn't there.
I just realized you said color....eggshell is a level of shine so I read it wrong. But yes they are a light grey matching the carpet grey.