Huge 120" UST Projector vs 98" QLED TV Showdown
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
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After 14 years with a JVC projector on a 92" screen (which finally died), I went with a 98" TV. All things equal, the one thing NOT reviewed here is that my family operating an overhead projector in a dedicated movie room means that no matter what I'm doing - I have to stop what I'm doing, help them out, then go back and turn off manually later as the projector remote is ultimately lost and nobody else can reach the buttons. A TV....they can operate. Sometimes, it's the practical things that drive the decision...
But what does a overhead projector have to do with a UST?
I took on the UST 120 about 4 months ago and would never go back now. Each upgrade going foward is just the UST, not the screen. So increases in resolution, brightness etc all available at lower prices than the oled TV.
I’d be curious to see furniture setup options for projectors with the rising screens. What’s the off the floor experience like
I just went with an 83 inch OLED recently. I had been researching UST/ALR screens, a 98 inch TV, and an 83 inch OLED for weeks. My living room is just way too bright for a UST as cool as it would be. Also, decent motorized ALR screens are expensive as well. The 98 inch TLC looks really cool, but I’ve been so used to OLED I feel like it’s going to bug me. So I just settled on a 83 inch C2 - Best Buy had one on clearance (New) for $3000. Maybe one day I’ll have a dedicated theater room to go UST just for the crazy size. For now, I think 83 inches with OLED tech will be more than satisfying.
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There's no way it's that bright. You might be making yourself blind. Even at 3,000 lumens a projector setup is quite visible. In the same brightness of a room, that OLED TV will suffer from so much UNBEARABLE glare from the "super bright lighting" you have that the experience would be just as bad as if you had a UST.
This is a whole other level of UST and the motorized screen can be used for every UST you get after this one that it pays for itself after so many years of owning it.
An ultra short throw projector in 2017 used to cost $20,000 including the screen and they have come down so far in price that I do believe once it enters the sub-$2,000 range, it's going to be more common in a home to see a UST instead of the standard OLED etc.
It really feels like we are repeating the days of "...well, Plasma TVs are the best out there and nothing else beats it..." when it comes to OLED Flat Panel TV fans IMO.
This UST would definitely do just fine with 4,000 lumens in your living room covered in super bright laser highbeam headlights from an Audi Q8 SUV if an OLED can handle the same lighting without ANY GLARE issues.
@@TriMuXx I’m not disagreeing with you my dude, but respectfully, I know my living room and you don’t. You have no idea what my living room looks like. Most of the light comes from overhead windows that aren’t directing hitting the television for glare. It’s just a lot of daylight that isn’t beaming directly at the TV. Could I get a UST? Sure! But then I’m out $3000-$4000 on a UST AND $2000 on an ALR motorized screen. Also, I’m not going to get the color saturation and contrast I want from a UST in my living room. Moreover, not all USTs have Dolby Vision, which is something I do care about. I never stated anything conveying that “OLEDs are the best and nothing out there beats it”. All I said was I was researching my options, and that an 83” OLED would be more than satisfying more my needs and my situation with my living room. A UST would be great, but I’d prefer waiting to implement it for a more ideal situation.
@@MentalSmarties an OLED won't be able to handle a bright room either. Most OLED TV owners put them in a semi dark room anyway so if the UST can't pull contrast/brightness in the super bright room you are in, neither will the OLED. HOWEVER, if the OLED CAN, then defintely the UST can as well. I think you're hiding under the "brightness of the room" argument when the room brightness causes major issues for OLED TVs as well. Modern projectors have overcome several hurdles of the projectors of old. Only witnessing it in person will someone be able to see and know for sure. It's just a shame not many stores actually have setups to show people.
@@MentalSmarties why so serious?
You guys always are so knowledgeable and straight to the point. And you always have the larger TVs which are desireable. I really enjoy watching your vids!
Projectors still have a bit to go in getting that sweet contrast ratio. It's not total nits it's contrast.
who cares? whats the contrast on a 70mm IMAX showing? its less than a $500 tv from best buy yet people drove hours to see Oppenheimer on it.
size is king
If you guys can mention what kind of screens you guys are using for each video, that'll be great.
There are too many screens out there. I want to know which one is better. Thank You.
Nice video! One question, why wouldn't you use the projector setup in a well lit room if "generally" it fades but the flat panel TV can only be seen facing the very front and even then it will have glare from the surrounding lighting whether it be window blinds opened or living room lights?
I feel like this UST projector is a perfect example of how this no longer needs to be a "dedicated theater room display" device ONLY and has NOW entered the "IT CAN BE IN A WELL LIT ROOM TOO" or it can go EITHER in a pitch black dedicated theater room (like OLED TVs ALSO can benefit from as well) or in a well lit livingroom environment.
I do not believe you NEED a dedicated theater room for USTs anymore. It can "just go in the livingroom" like flat panel TVs have for the longest time. Especially at this level. "Dedicated theater room" does not need to ONLY be used when reviewing projectors anymore. You can use the same statement in Flat Panel TV Reviews too.
Regardless, love the comparison and follow up to the other Ultimea Thor video of yours as well! This video gets a "like" from me! Thanks @BTheInstaller !
I’ve not seen this UST projector but I’ve seen some of the best ones like the Samsung, HISENSE UST and a few others in the dark they where fine but as soon as light got into the room the projector was washed out compared to any tv in the show room, the off angles on a tv does not effect me, the 120” screen is very nice on the UST, but you have the 115” TCL tv to check out, now that would be a great comparison, maybe not the cost but the picture. another great review. Thank you B
No 115 inch in the US. At least not right now
@@dyauswintersSoon enough though. It's currently $11,000usd so that also is a big factor in the comparison.
@1stamendmentmedia464 yeah at more then double the price there's no way you get the 115 inch TV, unless it's way way better and you have money to burn
Yes I know the tv would be slot dearer but the tv’s are coming down in price, but being I cannot fit a UST Projector into my setup due to the cabinets built into a false wall the TV is my only option. So it would be nice to see an alternative to UST projectors even if they very expensive just now, hopefully in 2 years they may come ditto a reasonable price
I’m gonna work on getting a house as nice as yours… but when I get there… how the hell do I clean the ceilings???
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Good projector . I would enjoy this more than Tv.
I was convinced I would purchase a UST system for my basement renovation. I looked at floor and ceiling-mounted screens and everything in between. Before pulling the trigger on a $15K setup, something was bugging me - there are so many parts to this system - motors in the screen and integrated table, plus the parts in the UST itself... I'm going to be repairing this all the time! Now I'm going with a 100-inch 4K TV. Less than half the cost and only one thing I need to worry about or warranty.
and what happens when your 100-inch 4K TV breaks? you gonna pick it up by yourself and drive it to best buy? UST is much easier
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If the place you're putting the TV is not on the 1st floor or up a flight of stairs...just get the projector lol
I'd love to see you do a comparative analysis between the Ultimea Thor T60 and the Formovie Theater.
Yup been saying that all a long. How does this compare to the top 5 ust projectors out there that were tested in last years projector shootout. It is good to have a bright picture but what about the black levels, contrast ect. No projector can even stand up against any TV during normal day time viewing with open windows and bright sunlight. They definitely compare at night time.
In this video, the projector and screen are being referred to interchangeably, a common mistake most reviewers make. They’re two separate things and both make a very big difference to the combined experience. I wish more reviewers wouldn’t conflate the two, because it matters.
I wonder with the screen going up and down eventually the screen will stretched or get distorted
i use a uhd51 4k hdr projector at 100 inches and love it but only for bed time as i now have a 83 a90j, my first oled. pad 2k for it and love it but wow projector and 3d= awsome.
I also own an A90J, and it's the best TV I've ever owned! But because TV's do not have 3D, I will not be purchasing anymore TV's in the future. I just purchased the AWOL LTV-3500 PRO UST projector, versus a bigger TV. BTW - $2K for an 83" A90J is an amazing price! 😆👍🏻👍🏻
Ust for sure on my next purchase!!
Does the bolt pattern on the back of the TV allow for two TV mounts to be used as an option versus trying to find a single TV mount that will support that giant TV? What weight the wall can hold is another concern with using a single wall mount versus two as well (in the event a person can’t use the studs or possibly misses them during installation).
Great vid B!
Hi big fan. What is the average lifespan of these new TCL televisions? Thank you.
Is that projector screen sound transparent? Because I don't have a huge living-room and need to put my trio of front speakers somewhere!
Do I position my sound bar on the floor with the projector?
If you guys still have a QD-OLED would you consider doing a comparison video between the UST and that?
Dude that would be a landslide victory in favor of qdoled. A projector can never match a tv in picture quality. It only wows in size
@@lipiningole1381it will soon match. Infact it's already on the verge of taking over and thus, we'll still like to see the comparison.
On thing I have found with eARC is my Rogers cable (Yes, I am in Toronto) which is actually an xFnity box keeps dropping the handshake for eARC and thus I have ot switch over to an optical TOS link connection. Now I can't tell if it's being dropped passing though the HDMI switch, I have or not, but I have the same issue when directly connected.
TCL 115" needs to drop in the US... Projector killer.
115 in would be great! TCL needs to step up their game with the video processors even more critical when you have a large TV like that. The reality is that the majority of programming is 1080P and below. If you are only doing 4K Blu-ray discs or subscribe to a 4K subscription service the processor is not as important 4 most viewers it is very important off-angle viewing and screen glare are also major concerns. Sony's x95 l and x90 L have proved that video processing is extremely important. What's the old saying garbage in garbage out.
@@robertmccloy4811 thats fair, still waiting for the 115 to drop in the US before moving off the projector. I am sure sony will come out with something when tcl moves first.
Nice video keep up the good work B the installer
I"m confused. THe Ultimera isn't available? I went to the kickstarter page, but how do you purchase?
Ultimea vs AWOL 3500 PRO
That would make for a great comparison video!
Those are two enormous projectors right there
Please review a larger screen size like 150 inch.
does movies you shearch for still show up in plex if its android. google tv doesnt .
Brandon tell us how to use a soundbar with this projector? You're not that's how. I have a Q990B, its 30 inches off the floor which is already well below ear level and the bare minium for height. In this setup maybe a foot off the floor, nope. Ok put the projector on a 2 foot high stand , nope still too low and that mean, screen, projector and soundbar all raised. The HTA 9 is the only system that would work. It's going to be a receiver based system only, which is fine of course.
Make your own video 😆 I think people would figure their audio situation out. The speakers are far better than tvs just to start so is there the same concern for all tvs? Home Theater rooms have more than sound bars most time
The bottom left side of the projector screen is bent and looks like crap. This projector has a good image, but I definitely prefer TV. E.g. Sony 98x90l. Regards.
it sounds more like a projector promotion
What the price of the ultimea ust
I'm taking the pj
I usually use either my Quest 3 or my Playstation VR2 as they both can do 250" screen in their headset and I usually use either of them for movie watching
Whats amazing is that people dont realize they make choices based on whats in front of them. When you make 83" Oled vs 98" TCL every1 in comment section said Oled. Now TCL vs UST most pick TCL 😂😂
I hope you guys have a giveaway
There's just one thing that UST projector TV's do better than flat panel TV's, and that's size. Currently there's no consumer flat panel TV in 120 inches. So as soon as you go above 100 inches, projectors win. But they win only in size. In terms of picture quality, in all objective measures, flat panel TV's win. Even the cheapest, least high-tech LCD TV will beat a projector. Most UST projectors don't even do native 4K yet. They use pixel shifting to approximate it with a 1080p native matrix. As for price, the latest Hisense U8K 98 inches costs $3-$4k. The TCL QM8 98 inches costs $6K. Prices for UST projectors plus the ALR screens are in the $5k territory. In the end, those LCD TV's are the better buy at around 100 inches. Above 100 inches, there's nothing except projection TV's. There are new flat panel TV's coming out at 110 inches, and probably soon we'll have 120 inches. So when that happens, projectors will really be squeezed. Projectors also suffer from the rainbow effect, which affects about half the population to a certain degree. The only projectors that don't have that problem are those with 3 chip LCD or 3 chip DLP. And yes, I know the rainbow effect is minimized these days, blah blah blah. No, they're not. They still exist. I still see them. Projectors need to get rid of that and get with true 4k native for them to even be in the same ballpark as flat panel TV's in quality. My opinion. This one, by the way, seems to do 4k native, which is better than most UST's.
All that nonsense means nothing. Watch THIS video. The projector is superior in every way while looking at them side by side. Thats real life.
TCL 115x955
I shop for tv's based on various things but a minimum requirement is hdmi 2.1 and 120hz plus, so its not even a competition, tv wins everytime....... Well not this tv, a good tv lol.
1:20 I though an OLED TV doesn't have diming zones..
EDIT:Oh- it's Q-LED, not OLED TV.
Guys you are TV maniacs 😄
Are these flooring rising ALR screen nearly as good as the fixed frame alr screens? I don't think they can make soft fresnel screen yet?
The screen is awesome. I'm not sure about longevity. You can also buy the products individually, of course.
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Have the lights off and projector is awesome. It all so has faster refresh rate for sports.
@@frankcaruso6781 no, even the 7k+ 4k native projectors from jvc like nx7 cant match oled contrast, clarity and color gamut. For sports many oled companies offer 120hz fresh rate tv's already.
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If, like myself, you don’t have a dedicated home theatre room and your moderately sized lounge has to serve as your standard tv viewing facility, plus accommodate your movie nights? Then I think the TCL is a no brainer. I feel you would need an oversized lounge in order to experience a 98 inch tv, off access.
I have a TCL 98 inch tv, not that one, a 2022 European model. In my 18 by 21 by 8.5 feet lounge, it serves it purpose, beautifully. I also find it’s audio reproduction to out class any other tv I’ve experienced. Oh, at no extra cost, the retailer offered me a 6 year guarantee.
I think a 120 inch screen in a moderately sized lounge, may bee a little domineering for standard tv viewing. As a cinema screen in a dedicated, light controlled room, I might consider it.
One more consideration is that with a tv, the audio reproduction emanates from the same point source as the screen. With a 98 inch screen, that allows for excellent channel separation. With a projector, the audio reproduction is emitted from a remote box.🗃️
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There's no UST projector yet that's capable of displaying HDR highlights at sufficient brightness levels. Thats the one major downside
This is an overrated reason to downplay UST projectors at 4,000 lumens. You're basically saying you want to sear your eyeballs while watching content because when headlights pop up in an HDR movie that are lined up to be facing the camera lens, everyone watching will go blind. I disagree with that being a "great watching experience". There's already Dolby Vision and HDR 10+ support on UST Projectors and they don't need "eye blinding" brightness for you to notice the amazing image quality, colors, and brightness.
@@TriMuXx Sounds like you have yet to experience good HDR content. It's not about getting blinded, it's all about contrast and life-like colours. Also HDR support is more or less pointless if there isn't enough light output to surpass SDR standards.
@@Heimkineast My friends Sony OLED Flat Panel TV with BluRay Player say you're wrong. I have seen PLENTY "good HDR" on an OLED and the glare from the kitchen lights and reflections get in the way EVERYTIME. The difference between it and HDR on a MODERN projector is quite minimal as MODERN projectors offer A LOT of detail EVEN WITH HDR CONTENT. And it looks OOHHHH SOOOO GOOOOD on a modern projector that I don't really care if a tiny screen can play good HDR content. I mean, my iPhone has Dolby Vision and I still think "meh" when watching HDR on such a tiny screen, but supposedly it's one of the best displays in the world....
@@TriMuXx Maybe you should consider consulting an eye doctor. However if you're happy with your UST' in terms of HDR then fine by me. I keep watching HDR content on my TV
@@Heimkineast just had my eye appointment two months ago. Eyes have been great so far. Doctor has my eyes mapped digitally too. I see very very well so that’s not the case.
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I love them both, but if I had to choose it would be the projector all day. Why❓ 3D, rolls up and can be easily moved hidden. I can have a smaller budget TV for general watching then boom huge projection for special TV time. I don't need to see old blurry RUclips videos on huge screen. However crystal clear 4k Blu-ray on projector. Hell yeah ‼️
I agree with everything in your statement.
BTW - 3D is a major game-changer, and it's the #1 reason why I'll never buy another Sony Master Series OLED/QD-OLED TV... ...because TV's do not have 3D.
@@TheSeabeeMan That really surprises me. I've had a 3D plasma TV since 2010. I think I've put the goggles on maybe a half dozen times in those 13 years. Nobody makes 3D TV's anymore. It seemed to be a fad that came and went. I don't see people asking for it.
@@stevenweigand7153 Have you watched a 3D-BLU-RAY movie on the AWOL LTV-3500 PRO? It's better than 3D IMAX! The 3D technology is far more advanced nowadays, especially when you max out your MEMC setting while watching a 3D-BLU-RAY.
Just when I thought this channel was genuine and was about to subscribe, I see this biased/paid video without any disclaimer! Pathetic!
The sponsored videos are labeled. This was not, simply a comparison. Your assumptions are, as you said.
@@BTheInstaller C'mon man. I rewatched it all over again, and at every instance you tend to push the audience towards the projector. It's super obvious! I thought of pointing out those instances, but then the entire video was like that.... There are 215K subscribers who look up to you and millions of other future TV/Projector owners. Guide them properly to spend their hard earned money on something that they wouldn't regret! Not everyone gets to enjoy different TV/Projectors like you do. It might be their only gear for the next foreseeable future. Is the UST projector good? Yes, it's a no brainer for a large screen dark room setup. But is the PQ better than TCL QM8 in dark room? I still don't think so! The Mini-LED's OLED level black will become apparent in dark room setup, with the projector not having OLED level blacks. And please don't bring blooming into the discussion, that's so 2010's. I couldn't stand my LG LM7600 cause of blooming. Fast forward 10 years, I am absolutely amazed by my Hisense U7K and how far the tech has evolved, so much so that I am leaning towards Mini-LEDs over OLEDs and Projectors.
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