This is a challenge I've been looking forward to trying, although undertaking it spontaneously with no prior planning certainly risked plenty of headaches! However, it has to be said, managing the charging network and getting the Taycan to Munich on schedule turned out to go really very well. Would you have given it a go?
@@Shmee150 Have you seen Harry's Garage video with JCB on hydrogen fuel vs EV? There is hope that we will still get to use combustion engines for a long time to come.
This is really fascinating. A very good understanding of the short coming of EV life. thanks for the education Tim. You really are a hard working gent !
Please do more of these videos! Getting an honest opinion from a genuine car person is something else on youtube. We are bored of only getting ev passionates opinions.
1. Tim really should just use Range mode, yes it goes to Front wheel drive but once you start braking or accelerating quickly it switches to all wheel drive seamlessly. The only worry it that it lowers suspension so you want to switch to normal when going over speed bumps etc. But it’s great for the motorway. 2. Also at 15:50 using the electronic pass is possible if mounted near rear view mirror. The thermal insulation is not placed in that area so it is useful for passes and radar detectors. Description in Good to Know online manual. 3. I find that The range estimates from the vehicle are very accurate and do take into account driving habits and terrain. I think the reason that Tim‘s estimates are very far off is because he only wants to use his phone for navigation. The car does not know where he’s going and therefore has to use a very generic estimation.
I love your Taycan / EV content! It’s a glorious exploration of the current state of the EV charging network(s) across Europe. The practicality of it, the ins-and-outs of the figuring of logistics is supremely interesting to me. Please continue this type of content, it’s endlessly interesting to me as a US viewer. Many many cheers sir
Long time viewer, new subscriber --- So glad you did this! I have driven the Taycan and am seriously considering the pros and cons of going electric with my next purchase. You have answered so many of the questions that have been rolling in my head. Again, thanks!
I love how even though you have had difficulties with your EV in the past you have kept being positive and spent time experiencing how things are improving. My take away from this video is that Tesla Superchargers and then Ionity are the only reliable way to charge on a long trip. Personally I have done Oslo to the south of Italy using Tesla Superchargers and found it surprisingly relaxing. Also many of the supercharging stops are things I remember most about the trip as you find yourself in little places you would never have visited otherwise.
I've done Oxford to Puglia in a T5 2.0tdi van and spent more on toll roads and the channel tunnel than i did on fuel. Mont Blanc through to the Italian side and down towards Milan is the highlight of the trip for sure.
This does really show the value of Tesla's charging network and infrastructure investment. The other manufacturers need to figure out how to compete or standardize on a more comprehensive shared network.
As far as i know, Tesla is going to open their charger for other manufactures. Thats going to be a big improvement. But on the other hand, it says a lot that we need a US company to build something up in Europe.
they already did. it's just to some countrys who fucked this up. ionity is a joint-venture of ford, vag, bmw, hyundai and here in germany you got like tons of charging stations pretty much everywhere. and ionity built 400 chargers in 16 country across europe by the end of 2020
@@Lenorax78 big brands like ford and GM will never use tesla chargers even though tesla offers them, it will be more one off brands that shares the chargers
Precisely, I also can't imagine what would happen when more and more el cars start queueing at the charging stations. Huge waiting lines, huge electricity bills and for what....so China and India could still pollute the whole planet with highest consumption of coal.
as an EV driver enjoyed this immensely. People who don't drive EVs cannot appreciate the sheer sense of elation and relief when you successfully connect to a charger and see the percentage figure zooming up! Too often though, you are doing various dances over cables, and swearing a lot.
@@miklas.k have you heard Pininfarina's? I believe shmee produced the video I saw, it had a very unique resonating sound and I'm sure the camera couldn't portray it nearly as well as hearing it live
I really enjoy these 'adventure' videos. I don't know if I'm allowed to mention another RUclips Channel here (please feel free to delete this), but Harry Metcalfe of 'Harry's Garage' fame also goes in for road-trips, and it's genuinely interesting to see cars of all types being used rather than just polished and admired. Thank you, Tim - this was great fun when viewed from the comfort of an armchair with a cup of tea and some choccy biscuits! 😁
Cheers Tim, really interesting video, props for doing it! Tbh I don’t think I’d be happy to try something like this unless it was impossible to pull up to a fuel station and fill up……… oh wait…. UK no fuel.
I want one of these Porsches, in that dark pastel blue not sure if the colour but it’s mesmerizing to look at, thanks for supporting the Sprigbok Rugby team with your colour Taycan
It is very stressful…limped into service station on 3miles left. Have the fastest car on the motorway in a Turbo S but driving the slowest because your always worried about range
Great to see the road trip in the Taycan, you mentioned about cost, would be interesting to see how the Taycan and let's say the GTR roadster compare with cost of fuel/charge.
With Membership to a Level 3 DC Network like Ionity. The cost is about 75% of average 4 banger Petrol passenger car. GTR Roadster consumes more fuel thus the price difference will be a little bigger.
People want so much for EVs to work that would look away as soon as there is any inconvenience.. ironically most EV fans have little to no knowledge about automotive industry.. This is why the present video is a bliss.
Very informative about the pros and cons of an electric car and a road trip. This does highlight how dependent we will be on chargers A working and B being rapid chargers
@@Neojhun absolutely, but what I’m getting from the comments is that everyone needs rapid chargers all the time and nothing else will do. Rapids are perfect for big road trips like this but normal daily use - not really.
It's the ONLY way to drive an EV. That's from 180,000km experience with a Tesla here in Australia. It's like waking up to a full tank of fuel. Nothing beats that because that makes 99% of everyone's journeys. For the 1% of the time that you do have to do a roadtrip then that's where its more of a pain compared to petrol
@@thepurplesband convenience Trumps all. You go through that free charging phase and then realise the best charging location is the one outside your doorstep
Really good and informative video. User reviews like these are invaluable to manufacturers, because customers trust real reviews more than hefty marketing in this digital age we live in. This video also nicely disproves the classic and EXTREMELY tiring "the Taycan has no charging infrastructure" argument that followers of a certain other brand of EVs like to use. Ionity is popping up everywhere. Their chargers are the fastest, period, and they work incredibly well. We can see how fast this car charges when it is given the current it needs.
This whole trip you would have probally done with 1 Diesel tank and one on the return. I'm not sold at all on EV. For my daily commutes i would probally use a PHEV and do as much on EV only and longer trips rely on gas. The thinking and calculating and taking in risks like traffic jams or chargers not working and wondering if you'll make it just gives me anxiety lol. I'll hope more and more EVs will be getting more range in the future tho. As of right now it also seems way more expensive then fuel, cause these public chargers costs are very high (range wise).
If I could play devil's advocate this is a very poor example of EV's in term of livability. Newer EV's like Tesla, Mercedes EQS, Lucid air are getting 600-700-800km on one charge respectively. That's equivalent or more than lots of petrol cars
@@supaahflyy I don't think range is so important really over around 350km. Charging speed and availability is key. I say this having driven from Oslo to the south of Italy and from Oslo to the Finish arctic circle (in winter) in an EV.
@@g0balot I disagree I think range is value for your money. The more you recharge the more you spend. Plus it’s a huge inconvenience and has many ways of going wrong. Petrol stations have big enough cues, imagine with the limited slots that petrol stations already have and each one taking 20 minutes to become available. I think the traffic and frustration will be massive. I’ll owe one electric car and another combustion. I think it’s a safer bet to have the combustion car for long trips and emergency. The electric can be used for every day stuff shopping, work but I won’t use it for important stuff or long journeys, not worth it. The don’t expect the electric infrastructure to be amazing considering the gov in the U.K. are cutting and cutting on everything. The nhs is a great example of what the electric chargers will look like. Long cues, inefficient and unreliable.
Good on you for being the leading Supercar RUclipsrs in EVs. Shame you cant charge on the train…best chargers are the ones where you are parked anyway. In NZ we have 1 network and usually only 1x50kw charger per location. Usually works thankfully!
It definitely was interested and provided some insight on the EV infrastructure in France and Germany but also how awesome the Taycan is on the autobahn!!
You've said this before yourself Tim but imagine if 50% of all traffic was searching for and using those chargers with you. I struggle to see how the infrastructure will be ready in time to meet the demands and deadlines being set by respective governments for full electrification, least of all in the UK where we are eternally rubbish at that sort of thing, as those two broken UK charge points illustrated so perfectly.
As EV driver you def are still an early adopter at the moment but not everyone is searching for a station at the same time even if every car would be EV. I think you will have way more opportunities to charge in the future. At the parking garage, at supermarket, at home etc and people will hook their car up everytime they can just like they do with phones even if it is only for a few minutes. But yeah charging stations are def at an early buggy state
To be honest I don’t want to waste 30 minutes every time I need to recharge. Especially on a long road trip, I’m quick with the toilet and grab a quick meal and I’m off. The nhs is run to shit and this is how the electric systems will be too. Underfunded and a mess. In the future I will owe 3 different cars and one of them will electric for communal journeys like shopping or work and when I need to go long journey I will have a combustion car. Definitely safer to have one. My electric car will be recharged at home only. I can’t wait to see the massive cues of people waiting ages for the cars to recharge, petrol stations are already pain and I can’t imagine people waiting 20 minutes or so to refill the car. The cue in petrol stations are already pretty decent lol
@@SelfImprovement1111 I mean taking a 15-30 min break after driving 3+ hours wouldn't be that unreasonable. on long trips you can plan this. the annoying part is if the chargers don't work or if you have to take 20min detours just to get there. My guess is that this will become better in the next 5 years. range and charging speed will become better and you probably. also gas stations already make the most money with the stuff you buy at their shops. I wouldn't be surprised if you would see charging stations with coffee shops and chillout areas right next to them.
@@mrcapello when every car on the road is an EV, we will have total chaos..... Even normal gas stations at "hot points" sometimes struggle and have 30+ customers, the difference is: filling up a petrol/diesel tank and leave the invironment takes ~5 minutes and not 30
@@thesenate4743 Considering how inept the UK government is they'll force everyone to EV regardless of infrastructure. Unless everyone has a supercharger on the wall of their house it just isn't feasible to have EVERYTHING EV. Imo as long as buses, lorries, trains and folks who just do the odd 10-20 miles around town are running electric what does it matter for the rest of us.
Great to see you guys take the Taycan on a trip! We just took a trip around Europe in a Taycan and were impressed with IONITY as well! Big improvement from what we deal with in the US with Electrify America
I have had my Taycan for 9 months and have had similar poor experiences with the UK charging network, finding most UK chargers not working on arrival. The exception has been the IONITY chargers at Leeds, Milton Keynes and Peterbourgh which means the commute from Northern England to London is pretty straight forward. Charging infrastructure, capacity in terms of charge rate and quantity of chargers and robustness of chargers are key challenges to going EV wider adoption. There are many times over the past 9 months I have wished I kept my Alfa QV.
My Mazda 3 e skyactiv x would have done this entire trip with one 5 minute stop, to say this vid has convinced me I did the right thing not buying an EV yet would be an understatement, Shmee you have the patience of a saint admit it I bet you wished you had taken even the Clio instead of that Taycan.
Tim, while you’re always very positive., you’ve showed that electric cars are, at this point not for long distance travel. If you live in a city and have a garage and only drive locally you’re fine. My daughter lives in an apartment complex in Indianapolis tells me that other young professionals living there are stressing out because there are no over night chargers for their Tesla’s.
My European take is the opposite....Tim showed me that trans-continental travel (even more so if you have a Tesla, although once their network is available to all the other manufacturers...) is possible, enjoyable and fast enough.... road-trippers in the US may view this slightly differently but we’re definitely going in a good direction!
@@williammillard687 agreed. Tim confirmed what we already knew, trans-continental road trips in an EV is very doable in Europe and I believe there are regularly EV-Cannonballers going from NYC to LA also.
To the gentleman in Indianapolis see if their local Whole Foods has a Charger station .In Austin there's at least three charging stations at the Whole Foods South . Good luck
It's not the problem with Electric Cars. It's the Fast Charging infrastructure in your region. You very much have problems in parts of world like Indianapolis which probably not popular to want BEVs. Same goes for my parent's large country town in Victoria Australia. DC Fast Charging over 134 HORSEPOWER is very very new. It will take time to build out the network anywhere there is an Electric Grid. But the cars them selves already can easily cross Continents.
Can you imagine here in the US where vandals destroy charging stations? How can you plan a trip HOPING that the charging stations are operable? You were also lucky to have good weather at each location. Good vlog, thanks!
I wouldn’t say I’m against EVs, but I’m personally against owning one at this moment in time… nice to see someone showing the reality of living with one
While the Porsche is no doubt an incredible car, the importance of infrastructure cannot be understated. Gasoline cars have been used to this for decades with gas stations everywhere, but today only Tesla has solved the problem with their supercharger network. I have taken (several) 3000 mile journeys across America in my Tesla with about five minutes of extra planning. The chargers always worked, they were spaced at comfortable intervals, and never needed worry or concern. Other EV manufacturers will get there with time, but the forward thinking vision that Tesla put in clearly pays off.
It would be interesting to know the exact electricity cost. A 5series diesel could potentially do the journey on one tank. How much quicker would that be overall journey time? Would 70l of diesel be cheaper?
Good point. I used to have an E61 530d and it was an awesome car. I did the Lake District from the south coast in it and it easily did it on one tank and some of the way back. The tank was, IIRC, 80 litres so £112. I now have an EV and Scotland and back, 1000 miles, was £60 in supercharging and added an hour each way. In both cars my bladder can’t do it in one go. The strength of the brand I won’t mention is you enter your destination in the satnav and head off. The car does all the planning for you whereas currently my understanding is other brands require some forethought.
These Euro EV missions are really interesting. Possibly more interesting than the usual " drive this new, fancy gasoline powered car into Europe" Thanks
I took my taycan on an adventure over the summer from Boston to Los Angeles and back. We were quite nervous about if the infrastructure or charging would be any problem. Volkswagen and electrify America have built a pretty amazing system that was there for us every single time I needed to charge. The only concern is what will happen when there are significantly more electric cars on the road and more people are trying to use the limited number of charging stations at each stopping point. We had zero problems with that especially in the middle of America. But since we have been back home we have noticed Volkswagen has been very aggressively selling their electric SUV and sometimes we run into competition for our usual charging places
I think that range mode does not cut air conditioning. It just uses only the front motor and drops the car to the lowest suspension setting. I also think that it automatically engages range mode when you use cruise control for some time at about 70 mph. At least this is what I've read in porsche and some other forums and what Bjorn Nyland (tests electric cars) experienced. Please use range mode on the way back and adjust from the settings its max speed to 130 km/h :)
In my car it reduces air conditioning and on a sunny/warm day it is hotter inside than I would like as a result. It also limits your top speed to 62mph (100km/h).
I always enjoy the road trips. Thanks for taking us along. Manufacturers of these chargers should be watching your videos and taking notes. This isn't the first time you've mentioned a canopy or something to shield people from the elements. So many ways to make these stations more user friendly. In time, I guess. Anyway, safe travels.
Welp considering his take was perfectly accurate. Some network are soo horrible they seem to purposely neglect their chargers to piss people off. But when it works it's soo easy and fast. Tim nailed it the state of cross continent driving in 2021.
@@maddog4390 LOL says the group of people who need loud big engines to "compensate". Some people have enough confidence and stature to not need a car to compensate for deficiencies. Plus they are just more Powerful & Tougher cars, Bite not Bark.
I’m regularly doing these ranges here in Norway with my Taycan 4S. Literally yesterday I depleted the battery in one go round trip and got to try out a brand new 300kW CircleK charger. The first one in Northen Norway. It topped out at 254kW. Of course as you mention the Ionity have a serious discount for Taycan owners making them cheaper to charge at than a Tesla at their own network of super chargers. I’m glad you finally got to go abroad in the Taycan and I can’t wait to do it myself but probably have to wait for holiday season again. I might pop over to Sweden maybe next weekend just to get that feeling of being abroad since Norway just lifted all restrictions only 2 days ago. Life is good again🌟
Tim-If you can use “percentage %” instead of miles or kilometers it makes life so much easier. And again the charging problems you are having wouldn’t be an issue if you were driving a Tesla. No I’m not a fanboy I’m a fan of the complete ease of the supercharging network always working.
One thing that Land Rover has done right is have a small section at the top of the windscreen close to the mirror that doesn’t have the insulation so that the gantry can still scan passes like that
I had range anxiety just watching. I just don’t know how well this will be implemented in the States. I’m sticking with combustion engines for sure now.
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This is a challenge I've been looking forward to trying, although undertaking it spontaneously with no prior planning certainly risked plenty of headaches! However, it has to be said, managing the charging network and getting the Taycan to Munich on schedule turned out to go really very well. Would you have given it a go?
Seen my first Taycan in this colour. Feel happy.
Interesting video
Maybe. Would have put it in ranged mode though :)
Speaking of, now we need to see how much less it uses in ranged mode.
@WonderEgg call breakdown people. Some have a portable booster but some don’t
atleast you have electricity, we don't even have petrol🤣
So cool to see a roadtrip video like in the good old days, but with different car/technology:) Cheers to the whole Shmee team :)
Thank you! I was really excited to give this one a go and see what would happen
Agreed. Do enjoy these longer roadtrip videos.
what a joke electric rubbish
@@tonyhewitt3255 yawn
@@Shmee150 Have you seen Harry's Garage video with JCB on hydrogen fuel vs EV? There is hope that we will still get to use combustion engines for a long time to come.
I love how Tim just laughs at his unfortunate situation 😂
Not much else to do!
When you're that rich, does it really matter?
26:57 I love how Tim's voice just turns into a voice of regret and disappointment when he see's how dirty the water is😂
😂
“Ladies & Gentlemen, we’re off to a fantastic start”. Absolutely creased 🤣
Hi Shmee.
I have been looking forward to the first electric road trip since you first talked about it.
You know I love a good road trip
Definitely! Hope you find this one interesting
Thank you for being honest. No embellishments. It is what it is and we love it!
You should pop over to the Nurburgring whilst you're over there, how cool would that be!!! Thank me later 😉
It sure would! Taycan on the Ring, I wonder what that will be like...
What would be even cooler is if he could meet you there!
And what would be even cooler, the fact that Misha would be with both of you there 🤣
@@Sophie-and-Ken Gasp
GREAT idea! Shmee, make that happen!! Really interested to see actual SOC usage on one hot lap versus "marketing data".
Less than 10 minutes in and that cracked window is driving me insane
Yeah there's no way I'd have done that, pretty sure it's illegal if you got a pull too. Get it fixed, then do the trip!
Great real video, showing the good as well as the bad! Cheers from Louisiana!
This is really fascinating. A very good understanding of the short coming of EV life. thanks for the education Tim. You really are a hard working gent !
Please do more of these videos! Getting an honest opinion from a genuine car person is something else on youtube. We are bored of only getting ev passionates opinions.
1. Tim really should just use Range mode, yes it goes to Front wheel drive but once you start braking or accelerating quickly it switches to all wheel drive seamlessly. The only worry it that it lowers suspension so you want to switch to normal when going over speed bumps etc. But it’s great for the motorway.
2. Also at 15:50 using the electronic pass is possible if mounted near rear view mirror. The thermal insulation is not placed in that area so it is useful for passes and radar detectors. Description in Good to Know online manual.
3. I find that The range estimates from the vehicle are very accurate and do take into account driving habits and terrain. I think the reason that Tim‘s estimates are very far off is because he only wants to use his phone for navigation. The car does not know where he’s going and therefore has to use a very generic estimation.
Good tips
I love your Taycan / EV content! It’s a glorious exploration of the current state of the EV charging network(s) across Europe. The practicality of it, the ins-and-outs of the figuring of logistics is supremely interesting to me. Please continue this type of content, it’s endlessly interesting to me as a US viewer. Many many cheers sir
Long time viewer, new subscriber --- So glad you did this! I have driven the Taycan and am seriously considering the pros and cons of going electric with my next purchase. You have answered so many of the questions that have been rolling in my head. Again, thanks!
I love how even though you have had difficulties with your EV in the past you have kept being positive and spent time experiencing how things are improving. My take away from this video is that Tesla Superchargers and then Ionity are the only reliable way to charge on a long trip. Personally I have done Oslo to the south of Italy using Tesla Superchargers and found it surprisingly relaxing. Also many of the supercharging stops are things I remember most about the trip as you find yourself in little places you would never have visited otherwise.
I've done Oxford to Puglia in a T5 2.0tdi van and spent more on toll roads and the channel tunnel than i did on fuel. Mont Blanc through to the Italian side and down towards Milan is the highlight of the trip for sure.
Fireworks from the beginning to the end of the journey 😘💥💥
Shmee, cleaning your windscreen with an icecream in your hand is legendary, great great video💪
One of your best videos, and the first one in which I happen to see you speechless even as if it was just for a moment!!
This does really show the value of Tesla's charging network and infrastructure investment. The other manufacturers need to figure out how to compete or standardize on a more comprehensive shared network.
As far as i know, Tesla is going to open their charger for other manufactures. Thats going to be a big improvement. But on the other hand, it says a lot that we need a US company to build something up in Europe.
they already did. it's just to some countrys who fucked this up. ionity is a joint-venture of ford, vag, bmw, hyundai and here in germany you got like tons of charging stations pretty much everywhere. and ionity built 400 chargers in 16 country across europe by the end of 2020
@@Lenorax78 big brands like ford and GM will never use tesla chargers even though tesla offers them, it will be more one off brands that shares the chargers
@@griffinstambaugh5795 Apparently, if you have an adapter, you can charge a GM or Ford at a Tesla supercharger.
@@Charliefox71 in the US?
I like this insight into EV life but I think I will be sticking with Dino juice for quite a bit longer yet lol.
thats a nightmare, gonna stick to petrolcars as long as its possible
Precisely, I also can't imagine what would happen when more and more el cars start queueing at the charging stations. Huge waiting lines, huge electricity bills and for what....so China and India could still pollute the whole planet with highest consumption of coal.
as an EV driver enjoyed this immensely. People who don't drive EVs cannot appreciate the sheer sense of elation and relief when you successfully connect to a charger and see the percentage figure zooming up! Too often though, you are doing various dances over cables, and swearing a lot.
Seems like the trains and ferries should adapt and put chargers on them as well!
Could make Sense in electric Trains!
I know that ferries from Ireland to the UK, France, etc carry EV chargers on-board these days...
Charge when on train or boat on route to France might only get half an hour but may help to get to next charging point
@@jameshblack exactly
Very informative Shmee. I'm still on the fence about the whole EV thing but this gives me a better perspective. Cheers!
I don’t USUALLY watch 40mins videos as I’ve always got shit to do but this was pretty interesting given all the fuel issues right now in the UK
Great road trip! Cool to see the roads in Europe.
Very interesting, many thanks
Loving the Taycan! Cannot wait to see the spec of the STO! Any other Electric cars you like the sound off? :)
Good choice of words there "sound" of electric cars :D There are some interesting things in the works but not sure I'd get anything else quite yet
STO spec is out. Shmee is getting puple with yellow accents
@@craigmorgan4676 well the Taycan and E TRON RS GT have Sounds
@@miklas.k have you heard Pininfarina's? I believe shmee produced the video I saw, it had a very unique resonating sound and I'm sure the camera couldn't portray it nearly as well as hearing it live
I really enjoy these 'adventure' videos. I don't know if I'm allowed to mention another RUclips Channel here (please feel free to delete this), but Harry Metcalfe of 'Harry's Garage' fame also goes in for road-trips, and it's genuinely interesting to see cars of all types being used rather than just polished and admired.
Thank you, Tim - this was great fun when viewed from the comfort of an armchair with a cup of tea and some choccy biscuits! 😁
Cheers Tim, really interesting video, props for doing it! Tbh I don’t think I’d be happy to try something like this unless it was impossible to pull up to a fuel station and fill up……… oh wait…. UK no fuel.
I want one of these Porsches, in that dark pastel blue not sure if the colour but it’s mesmerizing to look at, thanks for supporting the Sprigbok Rugby team with your colour Taycan
10:20 Shmee slowly dying inside LOL love the vid!
Great adventure, the information you have given us is excellent, thank you
Really enjoyed this. You cant beat a Schmee road trip!
Looks like blooming hard work to be honest - and quite stressful
It is very stressful…limped into service station on 3miles left. Have the fastest car on the motorway in a Turbo S but driving the slowest because your always worried about range
Imagine being in a parking lot with 100s of those electric chargers whirring away.
Great to see the road trip in the Taycan, you mentioned about cost, would be interesting to see how the Taycan and let's say the GTR roadster compare with cost of fuel/charge.
With Membership to a Level 3 DC Network like Ionity. The cost is about 75% of average 4 banger Petrol passenger car. GTR Roadster consumes more fuel thus the price difference will be a little bigger.
Looks like France and Germany are ahead of us with their infrastructure ..let's hope we catch up soon !
People want so much for EVs to work that would look away as soon as there is any inconvenience.. ironically most EV fans have little to no knowledge about automotive industry.. This is why the present video is a bliss.
Very informative about the pros and cons of an electric car and a road trip. This does highlight how dependent we will be on chargers A working and B being rapid chargers
The more you use EVs, the less you use rapid chargers.
@@vandit83 This is about 1000km road trips where you have no choice. Modern 250 mile plus BEVs realy should be able to do that easily.
@@Neojhun absolutely, but what I’m getting from the comments is that everyone needs rapid chargers all the time and nothing else will do. Rapids are perfect for big road trips like this but normal daily use - not really.
i was visiting my parents in germany and i saw you with your taycan
Has it made a big difference with the charger at the garage ? I’m glad you’re trying out the EV side. Very cool!
Yes it really does, makes the car very easily usable, as opposed to a nightmare
@@Shmee150 I had thought you could charge at your local dealer for free ?
@@thepurplesband Horrible location for charging.
It's the ONLY way to drive an EV. That's from 180,000km experience with a Tesla here in Australia. It's like waking up to a full tank of fuel. Nothing beats that because that makes 99% of everyone's journeys. For the 1% of the time that you do have to do a roadtrip then that's where its more of a pain compared to petrol
@@thepurplesband convenience Trumps all. You go through that free charging phase and then realise the best charging location is the one outside your doorstep
Really good and informative video. User reviews like these are invaluable to manufacturers, because customers trust real reviews more than hefty marketing in this digital age we live in.
This video also nicely disproves the classic and EXTREMELY tiring "the Taycan has no charging infrastructure" argument that followers of a certain other brand of EVs like to use. Ionity is popping up everywhere. Their chargers are the fastest, period, and they work incredibly well. We can see how fast this car charges when it is given the current it needs.
This whole trip you would have probally done with 1 Diesel tank and one on the return.
I'm not sold at all on EV.
For my daily commutes i would probally use a PHEV and do as much on EV only and longer trips rely on gas.
The thinking and calculating and taking in risks like traffic jams or chargers not working and wondering if you'll make it just gives me anxiety lol.
I'll hope more and more EVs will be getting more range in the future tho.
As of right now it also seems way more expensive then fuel, cause these public chargers costs are very high (range wise).
Agreed. My diesel car gives me a range of 750 miles with a full tank (1207 Km) and none of the anxiety.
If I could play devil's advocate this is a very poor example of EV's in term of livability. Newer EV's like Tesla, Mercedes EQS, Lucid air are getting 600-700-800km on one charge respectively. That's equivalent or more than lots of petrol cars
@@supaahflyy I don't think range is so important really over around 350km. Charging speed and availability is key. I say this having driven from Oslo to the south of Italy and from Oslo to the Finish arctic circle (in winter) in an EV.
@@g0balot I disagree I think range is value for your money. The more you recharge the more you spend. Plus it’s a huge inconvenience and has many ways of going wrong. Petrol stations have big enough cues, imagine with the limited slots that petrol stations already have and each one taking 20 minutes to become available. I think the traffic and frustration will be massive.
I’ll owe one electric car and another combustion. I think it’s a safer bet to have the combustion car for long trips and emergency. The electric can be used for every day stuff shopping, work but I won’t use it for important stuff or long journeys, not worth it.
The don’t expect the electric infrastructure to be amazing considering the gov in the U.K. are cutting and cutting on everything. The nhs is a great example of what the electric chargers will look like. Long cues, inefficient and unreliable.
Good on you for being the leading Supercar RUclipsrs in EVs.
Shame you cant charge on the train…best chargers are the ones where you are parked anyway.
In NZ we have 1 network and usually only 1x50kw charger per location. Usually works thankfully!
Your reaction at the charging station was priceless 😂
It definitely was interested and provided some insight on the EV infrastructure in France and Germany but also how awesome the Taycan is on the autobahn!!
More truthful than the media
Looking forward to this one, at least you don’t have to worry about fuel 😂😂
40 minutes of watching and I was expecting you're gonna mention the Nurburgring, and I wasn't disappointed at the end ;)
Sod that for a laugh. What a pain in the back-side. The infrastructure needs to improve big time.
I love this kind of journey.
You've said this before yourself Tim but imagine if 50% of all traffic was searching for and using those chargers with you. I struggle to see how the infrastructure will be ready in time to meet the demands and deadlines being set by respective governments for full electrification, least of all in the UK where we are eternally rubbish at that sort of thing, as those two broken UK charge points illustrated so perfectly.
As EV driver you def are still an early adopter at the moment but not everyone is searching for a station at the same time even if every car would be EV. I think you will have way more opportunities to charge in the future. At the parking garage, at supermarket, at home etc and people will hook their car up everytime they can just like they do with phones even if it is only for a few minutes. But yeah charging stations are def at an early buggy state
To be honest I don’t want to waste 30 minutes every time I need to recharge. Especially on a long road trip, I’m quick with the toilet and grab a quick meal and I’m off.
The nhs is run to shit and this is how the electric systems will be too. Underfunded and a mess.
In the future I will owe 3 different cars and one of them will electric for communal journeys like shopping or work and when I need to go long journey I will have a combustion car. Definitely safer to have one.
My electric car will be recharged at home only.
I can’t wait to see the massive cues of people waiting ages for the cars to recharge, petrol stations are already pain and I can’t imagine people waiting 20 minutes or so to refill the car. The cue in petrol stations are already pretty decent lol
@@SelfImprovement1111 I mean taking a 15-30 min break after driving 3+ hours wouldn't be that unreasonable. on long trips you can plan this. the annoying part is if the chargers don't work or if you have to take 20min detours just to get there. My guess is that this will become better in the next 5 years. range and charging speed will become better and you probably. also gas stations already make the most money with the stuff you buy at their shops. I wouldn't be surprised if you would see charging stations with coffee shops and chillout areas right next to them.
@@mrcapello when every car on the road is an EV, we will have total chaos.....
Even normal gas stations at "hot points" sometimes struggle and have 30+ customers, the difference is: filling up a petrol/diesel tank and leave the invironment takes ~5 minutes and not 30
@@thesenate4743 Considering how inept the UK government is they'll force everyone to EV regardless of infrastructure. Unless everyone has a supercharger on the wall of their house it just isn't feasible to have EVERYTHING EV. Imo as long as buses, lorries, trains and folks who just do the odd 10-20 miles around town are running electric what does it matter for the rest of us.
I was 90% leaning towards the Taycan for my move to the UK... now I know, I'll stick to petrol/hybrids
Brilliant video Shmee, I really enjoyed your journey in the Taycan.
Great to see you tackling a bigger journey. Who’d have though the UK side would be the let down lol.
Excellent informative video! Thanks Tim. Showed me to not consider an EV for road tripping!!!
Thanks Tim. Excellent video!
Great to see you guys take the Taycan on a trip! We just took a trip around Europe in a Taycan and were impressed with IONITY as well! Big improvement from what we deal with in the US with Electrify America
Love your videos , looks like you enjoy droving around. :) and i cant wait to see your upcoming cars, Continue and best of wishes.
My favorite videos,, the road trips, ups and downs, we can all relate to
I have had my Taycan for 9 months and have had similar poor experiences with the UK charging network, finding most UK chargers not working on arrival. The exception has been the IONITY chargers at Leeds, Milton Keynes and Peterbourgh which means the commute from Northern England to London is pretty straight forward. Charging infrastructure, capacity in terms of charge rate and quantity of chargers and robustness of chargers are key challenges to going EV wider adoption.
There are many times over the past 9 months I have wished I kept my Alfa QV.
The Taycan in the green is just so nice!
Tim, this video was just right up my alley. Extremely useful information to me as I am looking into buying a Taycan.
Cheers
My Mazda 3 e skyactiv x would have done this entire trip with one 5 minute stop, to say this vid has convinced me I did the right thing not buying an EV yet would be an understatement, Shmee you have the patience of a saint admit it I bet you wished you had taken even the Clio instead of that Taycan.
You can attached the "motorway thing" to the black area at the rear mirror, and it will work perfectly.
Tim, while you’re always very positive., you’ve showed that electric cars are, at this point not for long distance travel. If you live in a city and have a garage and only drive locally you’re fine. My daughter lives in an apartment complex in Indianapolis tells me that other young professionals living there are stressing
out because there are no over night chargers for their Tesla’s.
My European take is the opposite....Tim showed me that trans-continental travel (even more so if you have a Tesla, although once their network is available to all the other manufacturers...) is possible, enjoyable and fast enough.... road-trippers in the US may view this slightly differently but we’re definitely going in a good direction!
@@williammillard687 agreed. Tim confirmed what we already knew, trans-continental road trips in an EV is very doable in Europe and I believe there are regularly EV-Cannonballers going from NYC to LA also.
Bill Pustow: never get an EV if you don’t have your own home charger. When you do, EV ownership is a breeze
To the gentleman in Indianapolis see if their local Whole Foods has a Charger station .In Austin there's at least three charging stations at the Whole Foods South . Good luck
It's not the problem with Electric Cars. It's the Fast Charging infrastructure in your region. You very much have problems in parts of world like Indianapolis which probably not popular to want BEVs. Same goes for my parent's large country town in Victoria Australia. DC Fast Charging over 134 HORSEPOWER is very very new. It will take time to build out the network anywhere there is an Electric Grid. But the cars them selves already can easily cross Continents.
Charging in the UK… doesn’t work. Charging in Europe… no problem. Sums up our shocking disrespect for proper infrastructure.
It's because there will only be a few million cars on the road instead of 55 million we have now.. most people won't be able to afford to drive
Can you imagine here in the US where vandals destroy charging stations? How can you plan a trip HOPING that the charging stations are operable? You were also lucky to have good weather at each location. Good vlog, thanks!
Fantastic event, watched it all the way, will probably get the long range version.
If you do a lot of miles and need to rely on network chargers, don’t get an EV
This is like traveling and not knowing when you will be able to charge your phone. Stressful. Once the infrastructure improves, it'll be pretty useful
Great trip this is one of the most interesting videos in a while.
The center cap detail on your charging cable reel is very nice!👌
What a car indeed. Thanks for a great video adventure!
I’ve been waiting for this! Glad that the EU has a universal charger.
I wouldn’t say I’m against EVs, but I’m personally against owning one at this moment in time… nice to see someone showing the reality of living with one
Finally a roadtrip in your Taycan! Great to see!
While the Porsche is no doubt an incredible car, the importance of infrastructure cannot be understated. Gasoline cars have been used to this for decades with gas stations everywhere, but today only Tesla has solved the problem with their supercharger network. I have taken (several) 3000 mile journeys across America in my Tesla with about five minutes of extra planning. The chargers always worked, they were spaced at comfortable intervals, and never needed worry or concern. Other EV manufacturers will get there with time, but the forward thinking vision that Tesla put in clearly pays off.
It would be interesting to know the exact electricity cost. A 5series diesel could potentially do the journey on one tank. How much quicker would that be overall journey time? Would 70l of diesel be cheaper?
Good point. I used to have an E61 530d and it was an awesome car. I did the Lake District from the south coast in it and it easily did it on one tank and some of the way back. The tank was, IIRC, 80 litres so £112. I now have an EV and Scotland and back, 1000 miles, was £60 in supercharging and added an hour each way. In both cars my bladder can’t do it in one go. The strength of the brand I won’t mention is you enter your destination in the satnav and head off. The car does all the planning for you whereas currently my understanding is other brands require some forethought.
For the telepeage in France, you see those black dots in the central mirror, those let the signal go through so that's where you place the badge.
Great video Tim, really enjoyed. look forward to Nurburgring as always.
These Euro EV missions are really interesting. Possibly more interesting than the usual " drive this new, fancy gasoline powered car into Europe"
Thanks
I took my taycan on an adventure over the summer from Boston to Los Angeles and back. We were quite nervous about if the infrastructure or charging would be any problem. Volkswagen and electrify America have built a pretty amazing system that was there for us every single time I needed to charge. The only concern is what will happen when there are significantly more electric cars on the road and more people are trying to use the limited number of charging stations at each stopping point. We had zero problems with that especially in the middle of America. But since we have been back home we have noticed Volkswagen has been very aggressively selling their electric SUV and sometimes we run into competition for our usual charging places
I think that range mode does not cut air conditioning. It just uses only the front motor and drops the car to the lowest suspension setting. I also think that it automatically engages range mode when you use cruise control for some time at about 70 mph. At least this is what I've read in porsche and some other forums and what Bjorn Nyland (tests electric cars) experienced. Please use range mode on the way back and adjust from the settings its max speed to 130 km/h :)
In my car it reduces air conditioning and on a sunny/warm day it is hotter inside than I would like as a result. It also limits your top speed to 62mph (100km/h).
Well done Tim. It will only get better. Probably easier to charge the car than it is to get petrol in the uk at the moment.
Basically a video of shmee charging his car multiple times 😆🙏❤
Informative content
Something like that xD
At least you don't have to queue behind the panic buyers at the petrol station
In The Netherlands there are actually some charing stations with a roof :- )
I always enjoy the road trips. Thanks for taking us along.
Manufacturers of these chargers should be watching your videos and taking notes. This isn't the first time you've mentioned a canopy or something to shield people from the elements. So many ways to make these stations more user friendly. In time, I guess. Anyway, safe travels.
Plenty do. The covers have solar panels on
I’m still convinced that the Taycan is one of the best looking cars in the garage
We have those Toll beepers in Australia!
I hope the EV guys dont get too mad at you this time 😂 interesting experiment
I'm sure some will, no doubt something that I did wrong
They're all little girls anyway.
electric rubbish
Welp considering his take was perfectly accurate. Some network are soo horrible they seem to purposely neglect their chargers to piss people off. But when it works it's soo easy and fast. Tim nailed it the state of cross continent driving in 2021.
@@maddog4390 LOL says the group of people who need loud big engines to "compensate". Some people have enough confidence and stature to not need a car to compensate for deficiencies. Plus they are just more Powerful & Tougher cars, Bite not Bark.
Awesome video 👌👍👏
I’m regularly doing these ranges here in Norway with my Taycan 4S. Literally yesterday I depleted the battery in one go round trip and got to try out a brand new 300kW CircleK charger. The first one in Northen Norway. It topped out at 254kW. Of course as you mention the Ionity have a serious discount for Taycan owners making them cheaper to charge at than a Tesla at their own network of super chargers.
I’m glad you finally got to go abroad in the Taycan and I can’t wait to do it myself but probably have to wait for holiday season again. I might pop over to Sweden maybe next weekend just to get that feeling of being abroad since Norway just lifted all restrictions only 2 days ago. Life is good again🌟
Not cheaper than for all Tesla owners :) My Model X still gets free supercharging.
No great surprise that the charging infrastructure is superior on the continent to that in the UK, as it's the same with the road network also.
Tim-If you can use “percentage %” instead of miles or kilometers it makes life so much easier. And again the charging problems you are having wouldn’t be an issue if you were driving a Tesla. No I’m not a fanboy I’m a fan of the complete ease of the supercharging network always working.
One thing that Land Rover has done right is have a small section at the top of the windscreen close to the mirror that doesn’t have the insulation so that the gantry can still scan passes like that
I had range anxiety just watching. I just don’t know how well this will be implemented in the States. I’m sticking with combustion engines for sure now.
Love this content. As a person interested petrol cars but also an owner of a family EV car!
only Tim could take 3 min to say "I'm driving the Tycan to Munich"