Not all those are right. Murray is 750 grip end to grip end and mentions he has the actual bars cut to 740. Rude has it cut to 750 but his measurement with grips is 757mm.
@@Tiunov_Evgeniy The ones Murray is running? Pinky guards, look like ones made by LoamLab call Counterpunch. Not sure there might be others making the same. I'm no pro racer but they would probably cause me more harm than good lol.
I installed handlebars as wide as a broom handle. Now I am in the process of cutting down the trees too close to the trail so my handlebars don’t hit them when I ride.
The proper formula for bar width is pretty easy to figure out . Put both your shoes ,helmet and water bottle all together length wise and subtract a tire level and that’s your bar length you should be running .
Fantastic job Tom! Best coverage video I seem on the EWS Tweed Valley, The other channels official covering the event as been terrible, not even an event description of the stages etc like before. Wish Pink Bike had gotten the official coverage! Thank you for the great content
shoulder width perhaps more relevant. I can’t understand how, if Isabeau and Jack Moir were asked to do a push-up, their hands would be about a foot apart. But they ride the same handlebar width.
Isabeau, 5'3", Jack Moir 6'2", both running the same bar width, seems maybe something is off there 😕 Always watch her on the bike and wonder how she runs a bar that wide, seems to pull her hands way, way out and her forward, maybe after this weekend she might give something narrower a try. As to what to ask, how about frame size, would be interesting to find out what the pros are running compared to their manufacturers recommendations.
@@bentyler5704 i think what @Lynx G is after ,what the frame size the manufacturer specs for frame sizes are, to the height of person , to see if they actually ride either larger or smaller frames then what manufacturers specs are advising for your specific height
Really interesting actually cos most big bikes come with 800s now days. I preach to cut them all the time but customers and friends tell me na it's better 💁 clearly it's not haha
Yes. if you ride with your hands closer to the inner edges of your grips anyway then its effectively shorter. Its about mechanical leverage and where you're gripping.
new bike came with 800mm bars (had 750mm on the old rig) and i loved them….until i found myself consistently clipping trees and ended up in a decent stack…so i’ve cut them to 760mm and i don’t like them…🤷🏼♂️
Who else would love to see a video on different riders technique throughout the same section and how their times differ? I think EWS coverage misses these things that DH does do
740 ... you need more, 800 minimun... Not really, I´m slim and I ride 680mm and I stil tempted to cur anothe cuple of cm to ride in 660mm. XC -all-mountain, not DH.
Hope everybody cut their bars down because it's a scientifically proven fact, that EVERY tree is exactly 760mm apart in the Tweed Valley, I've punched enough trees on those trails in the name of science over the years hahaha
Its not so much Jack's height, though. Last year he was on a tiny frame with ridiculous low reach and still used that kinda bar width if I'm not mistaken. What I'm saying is, if your bike is long you can get away with that width. The shorter it is, the more width you need to stow away those arms in order for them to function properly.
@@Ganiscol Hmm, I’m not convinced that because the ‘effective reach’ is the same for them that bar width is suddenly irrelevant. Look at the women on 760mm bars, couldn’t they easily be more comfortable on 700mm? Just consider the breadth of Jack compared to her. His shoulders alone are probably 1.5X wider than those of Isabeau’s. So, assuming the same ‘effective reach’ for them, the levers, his arms starting 20cms further apart, above the bars are at hugely different angles to hers. This is compounded by the ‘amount of Jack’ that there is leveraging those same bars from above and from the side. Jack’s greater mass is positioned far higher from the fixed point of the grips. Clearly I am no physicist but, it just don’t add up to me!
@@Ganiscol Quick thought experiment: do you think, if you asked Isabeau and Jack to do a regular press-up on the ground, that they would automatically place their hands in the same position?
@@bimfred They would probably be in the same position in proportion to their shoulder width, so her arms would not be as far apart. Also she is placing more weight on the front of the bike and has less flex in her arms to absorb hits.
Nope, they wouldn't. Wider bars are bad - body comes in extremely bad unhealthy position, putting huge strain on shoulders before all, and then on elbows and hand wrists as well, also some additional stress on trapezius muscles. Also with wider bars you have *less* control over the bike's handling believe it or not, and cannot utilize as much many muscles due to bad position. Even these 700-760 widths are huge, but for shorter Enduro racing they are OK at speeds, but anything wider than that would be more of a downside.
I'm a bit taller than Jack Moir and arrived at 765-775 two years ago, cutting down from 800. Bikes have gotten longer and wider bars are no good with that.
Its a matter of sweaty hands or not. If you sweat much, no gloves is a no go because you wont be able to hold on. But there are actually races where gloves is a protective requirement. And that is also the secondary reason for me: Palm protection in case I hit the deck in a spot that will rub off the skin from your palms...
What do you mean 700-760 surprisingly short? That's extremely wide width cos of stability, and even that is not healthy for shoulders, hand wrists and elbows. People should stop using *fashion* bars of anything over 760 pretty much, even for tall male riders, and even for Enduro racing. XC 670-740 MAX depending on the race and rider reach and height.
Yeah, every pro, amateur, and hobby MTB rider knowing that wider bars feel more stable as soon as they try them is wrong, right? 1980 is calling you back..
@@OktaFierce Nope, its less stable to go too wide. Wider is more stable but to a certain point (like these enduro racers use, arguably thats slightly too wide too for many of them). But people like fashion, it looks cool to them despite it being objectively inferior, and they run such bars that creates health issues and is less stable and less comfortable. Common sense and mind are calling you back
@@OktaFierce Wide bars are reducing your fore-aft range of motion, putting your wrist and elbows to very extreme positions. They are more stabile but trade off is your long term health.
Omfg...🙄🤦♂️ let the dolts & Muppets keep running their 800 and over bars... and after a few years they incur shoulder and upper-body stability-mobility issues they will be scratching their empty skulls trying to figure out why...🤣🤮
To be fair, many of the taller riders, including Jack Moir, prefer 800+ bars when at home or riding DH, but choose to use narrower 760-770 bars on their race bike because EWS courses tend to be narrow (this being one of the better examples).
Some food for thought. If you are running shorter bars try a slightly longer stem. I have 720 ish bars with a 60mm stem and the steering is not so bad. If i ran these bars with say a 35mm to 40mm it would be way to squirrely. Its a battle between ergos and hitting trees or in urban conditions hitting cars. Go compact as you can go is my rule. 800mm bars are too exagerated and clownlike for me.
I would have definetely told you to get off the fkn track. All for the video I guess. It’s like riders that tell people not to destroy berms and then they go and slash it
"Don't look at me, look at the trees I mean don't look at the trees cause you'll hit them" this is the motivation I need
Lmao
Sam Pilgrim is ahead of the curve with his steering wheel prototype.
Tom's energy is infectious, awesome video!
Moir: 770 mm
Courdurier: 740 mm on this stage, 760 mm usually
Murray: 750 mm with grip ends
Callaghan: 770 mm
Rude: 757 mm
Not all those are right. Murray is 750 grip end to grip end and mentions he has the actual bars cut to 740. Rude has it cut to 750 but his measurement with grips is 757mm.
@@alexh.4068 I was really wrong. What are these grip ends called?
@@Tiunov_Evgeniy The ones Murray is running? Pinky guards, look like ones made by LoamLab call Counterpunch. Not sure there might be others making the same. I'm no pro racer but they would probably cause me more harm than good lol.
I installed handlebars as wide as a broom handle. Now I am in the process of cutting down the trees too close to the trail so my handlebars don’t hit them when I ride.
The proper formula for bar width is pretty easy to figure out . Put both your shoes ,helmet and water bottle all together length wise and subtract a tire level and that’s your bar length you should be running .
Genius! Thanks mate!
Fantastic job Tom! Best coverage video I seem on the EWS Tweed Valley, The other channels official covering the event as been terrible, not even an event description of the stages etc like before. Wish Pink Bike had gotten the official coverage! Thank you for the great content
Totally agree!
Great vid. Would love to see a vid on what the pros are eating before/during/after a big race like this.
“I’ll see ya when I’m looking at ya” 😂 What a an addition to PB
Great work T. Keep up the positive vibe & some more insights from riders.
Well, looks like I'm cutting my bars to 757mm exactly 👀😂
He has it cut to 750mm.
@@alexh.4068 thanks mate
Went back down to 760 for trail riding like 2 years ago. 800 on downhill. 760 just feels so much snappier and quick through trees on trails.
Would be fun to measure the wingspan of each rider along with the bar width.
this.
@@bimfred doesn't matter
shoulder width perhaps more relevant.
I can’t understand how, if Isabeau and Jack Moir were asked to do a push-up, their hands would be about a foot apart. But they ride the same handlebar width.
The shoulder width would make more sense but ok
Great video; how fun and informative! That Isabel seems like a sweetheart...
I cut my 700 bars on my new bike down to 630mm to match my previous bike. Works a treat for xc trail riding.
I'm down to 500.
Took getting used to, but now I'm slicing up trails too narrow for the wide bar enthusiasts.
Isabeau, 5'3", Jack Moir 6'2", both running the same bar width, seems maybe something is off there 😕 Always watch her on the bike and wonder how she runs a bar that wide, seems to pull her hands way, way out and her forward, maybe after this weekend she might give something narrower a try.
As to what to ask, how about frame size, would be interesting to find out what the pros are running compared to their manufacturers recommendations.
Probably just what they’re comfortable riding
@@bentyler5704 i think what @Lynx G is after ,what the frame size the manufacturer specs for frame sizes are, to the height of person , to see if they actually ride either larger or smaller frames then what manufacturers specs are advising for your specific height
Really interesting actually cos most big bikes come with 800s now days. I preach to cut them all the time but customers and friends tell me na it's better 💁 clearly it's not haha
Tom absolutely killin it
Awesome, would be good to know what their bar width/cockpit set up is on a fairly open course?
Audio issues think you just blew the tweeter in my soundbar 🤣 personal preference bar width
In order: 770, 740, 750, 770, 750. Some riders thought they were 10mm narrower because they didn't account for grip width.
I run 730mm on my dh bike and 650mm on my dirt jumper, feels like im quite out of the norm
@@Sidowse I don't understand it either, to me 750mm feels already way to wide. I gues the racing and strava guys are taking over the industry
But what size shoe do you wear?
So what you're saying is that my 640 is a little outdated?
Tom’s doing lots of travel! It’s like he’s making up for lost time.
3:04 yeah jordy!
Tom lets see the prototypes, that commencal looks hot 🛸
Be great to get a suspension set up video, sag/riders weight/pressure and settings etc.
Only out of curiosity, not because its useful, though.
Obviously
Kneepads fot the interview.. check
The tweed valley is my local and I run 800mm bars 🏆
7:02 Richie always looks like he just got out of bed.
Matt Damon 😅
the word you want is narrow
Does bringing your hands in a bit on the handlebars give you the same effect as having shorter bars?
Yes. if you ride with your hands closer to the inner edges of your grips anyway then its effectively shorter. Its about mechanical leverage and where you're gripping.
@@goatsplitter awesome.
Wide for the inexperienced...
Narrow for the Legends👍
Look at the trees not me not trees you’ll hit them had me dying💀
Does anybody know where to buy this bar end finger protection?
its more likely to catch a tree…silly idea
next a shoe and pedal setup check.
Jack moir is hilarious
new bike came with 800mm bars (had 750mm on the old rig) and i loved them….until i found myself consistently clipping trees and ended up in a decent stack…so i’ve cut them to 760mm and i don’t like them…🤷🏼♂️
740 here 🇬🇧
Who else would love to see a video on different riders technique throughout the same section and how their times differ? I think EWS coverage misses these things that DH does do
here i am a weekend warrior dad, with 820mm bars
whats the openning music ??
How bout 800? 800 on tight trails short handle bars make my shoulder insanely amount of pain
740 ... you need more, 800 minimun...
Not really, I´m slim and I ride 680mm and I stil tempted to cur anothe cuple of cm to ride in 660mm. XC -all-mountain, not DH.
Hope everybody cut their bars down because it's a scientifically proven fact, that EVERY tree is exactly 760mm apart in the Tweed Valley, I've punched enough trees on those trails in the name of science over the years hahaha
Tom is so charged up in this video 😂 Must just love measuring handlebars?
Jack Moir 6’2” - 760mm
Isabeau Courdurier 5’0” - 760mm
How does this make sense??
Don’t the women feel like they are on 900mm bars, and vice versa??
Its not so much Jack's height, though. Last year he was on a tiny frame with ridiculous low reach and still used that kinda bar width if I'm not mistaken. What I'm saying is, if your bike is long you can get away with that width. The shorter it is, the more width you need to stow away those arms in order for them to function properly.
@@Ganiscol Hmm, I’m not convinced that because the ‘effective reach’ is the same for them that bar width is suddenly irrelevant.
Look at the women on 760mm bars, couldn’t they easily be more comfortable on 700mm?
Just consider the breadth of Jack compared to her. His shoulders alone are probably 1.5X wider than those of Isabeau’s. So, assuming the same ‘effective reach’ for them, the levers, his arms starting 20cms further apart, above the bars are at hugely different angles to hers.
This is compounded by the ‘amount of Jack’ that there is leveraging those same bars from above and from the side. Jack’s greater mass is positioned far higher from the fixed point of the grips.
Clearly I am no physicist but, it just don’t add up to me!
@@Ganiscol Quick thought experiment: do you think, if you asked Isabeau and Jack to do a regular press-up on the ground, that they would automatically place their hands in the same position?
@@bimfred They would probably be in the same position in proportion to their shoulder width, so her arms would not be as far apart. Also she is placing more weight on the front of the bike and has less flex in her arms to absorb hits.
Its almost as if height has literally nothing to do with bar width!
Yeow!
Easy. Whatever they are sponsored by.
4:29 does anyone know where to buy this
i wouldn’t do it…i reckon they are a sure way of catching a tree….we need the mtnbike equivalent of barkbusters
Surprisingly 'narrow'?
760 as wide as anyone normal sized needs.
Where we're going... you wont need handle bars.
800mm bars are just stupid for the average height dudes
Im 6’ 1” and feel like 140 is wide. 150 with grips.
Big Donger = BDE
I am sure most will run wider bars if it wasn't for the tree gaps
Nope, they wouldn't. Wider bars are bad - body comes in extremely bad unhealthy position, putting huge strain on shoulders before all, and then on elbows and hand wrists as well, also some additional stress on trapezius muscles. Also with wider bars you have *less* control over the bike's handling believe it or not, and cannot utilize as much many muscles due to bad position. Even these 700-760 widths are huge, but for shorter Enduro racing they are OK at speeds, but anything wider than that would be more of a downside.
@@NiohNiohYT Are you from the past?
I'm a bit taller than Jack Moir and arrived at 765-775 two years ago, cutting down from 800. Bikes have gotten longer and wider bars are no good with that.
Mustache cycle
audio mix is cancer
I guarantee most will be back on 780-800 on the next round
Serious question, gloves, no gloves, seams like a mix among the pros?!
think almost everybody wears gloves, no?
@@myloraffaele-hamar certainly my preference to wear gloves, but I see a lot of bare hands on Pink Bike
Its a matter of sweaty hands or not. If you sweat much, no gloves is a no go because you wont be able to hold on.
But there are actually races where gloves is a protective requirement. And that is also the secondary reason for me: Palm protection in case I hit the deck in a spot that will rub off the skin from your palms...
@@Ganiscol having introduced my knuckles to a number trees while riding, I would think they should all be wearing gloves 😂🤣
So, a paid rider use a handlebar too... I see...
What do you mean 700-760 surprisingly short? That's extremely wide width cos of stability, and even that is not healthy for shoulders, hand wrists and elbows. People should stop using *fashion* bars of anything over 760 pretty much, even for tall male riders, and even for Enduro racing. XC 670-740 MAX depending on the race and rider reach and height.
Yeah, every pro, amateur, and hobby MTB rider knowing that wider bars feel more stable as soon as they try them is wrong, right? 1980 is calling you back..
@@OktaFierce Nope, its less stable to go too wide. Wider is more stable but to a certain point (like these enduro racers use, arguably thats slightly too wide too for many of them). But people like fashion, it looks cool to them despite it being objectively inferior, and they run such bars that creates health issues and is less stable and less comfortable. Common sense and mind are calling you back
@@OktaFierce Wide bars are reducing your fore-aft range of motion, putting your wrist and elbows to very extreme positions. They are more stabile but trade off is your long term health.
Mustache?
You ladies sure are afraid of a little speed...
Omfg...🙄🤦♂️ let the dolts & Muppets keep running their 800 and over bars... and after a few years they incur shoulder and upper-body stability-mobility issues they will be scratching their empty skulls trying to figure out why...🤣🤮
To be fair, many of the taller riders, including Jack Moir, prefer 800+ bars when at home or riding DH, but choose to use narrower 760-770 bars on their race bike because EWS courses tend to be narrow (this being one of the better examples).
Depends how tall you are too , I'm at 770 mainly due to just clipping trees at 780 when I got tired
Some food for thought. If you are running shorter bars try a slightly longer stem. I have 720 ish bars with a 60mm stem and the steering is not so bad. If i ran these bars with say a 35mm to 40mm it would be way to squirrely. Its a battle between ergos and hitting trees or in urban conditions hitting cars. Go compact as you can go is my rule. 800mm bars are too exagerated and clownlike for me.
I would have definetely told you to get off the fkn track. All for the video I guess. It’s like riders that tell people not to destroy berms and then they go and slash it